@@maxvanweert4498 These are the 2 separate timelines we saw of the night Nora Allen was murdered. I might have got 1 or2 things wrong but I think it's fairly accurate. March 18, 2000 - Original Timeline (pre-Flashpoint, pre-Crisis) In 2024, a fight between the original timeline Flash (the version of Barry that became the Flash in 2020 and has both living parents) and Reverse Flash occurs under Red Skies, Thawne learns Barry’s identity and plans to kill him as a child. The two speedsters fight and disappear in an “explosion of light” The “explosion of light” was actually a dimensional rift opening between 2024 and 2000. Thawne travels back to March 18, 2000, and Barry follows Reverse Flash and Flash tackle each other into the house and fight. An 11-year-old Barry wakes up to screaming and the sound of lightning. He exits his room and sees his mother, Nora Allen, surrounded by red and yellow lightning in the living room. 2013 Flash (S1 Barry) breaks the dimensional barrier and travels back to March 18, 2000, appearing in his childhood bedroom. 2013 Flash opens the door and sees his mother. As he is about to intervene, the original timeline Flash (2024 Barry) sees him and tells him not to. Thawne sees young Barry and makes a move on him. 2024 Barry sees this and grabs his younger self before Thawne can reach him, taking him out of the house. Thawne, angered that he failed. Grabs a Knife and stabs Nora Allen with the intention of creating a tragedy so life-altering that Barry never grows up to become the Flash. 2013 Flash listens to the original timeline Flash and closes the door, letting Thawne stab Nora Allen. After the death of his mother in the past, the original timeline Flash is wiped from existence (either disappearing or electing to sacrifice himself to stop the 2024 crisis before the timeline catches up to him) Thawne runs out of the house and tries to open a breach back to his time, roughly 2 decades from this point, to discover that he has lost his speed and connection to the speed force. S1 Barry enters the living room and speaks to his Mom one more time before she dies The murder of Barry’s mother creates a paradox for Thawne. Without the Flash, Thawne never becomes obsessed with speed. Without speed, Thawne never travels back in time to kill Barry’s mom, creating an endless paradoxical loop. Thawne, trapped in the past, assumes the identity of Harrison Wells to orchestrate the creation of the Flash so he can use his speed to return himself to the future and to allow 2013 Barry to return to the night his mother died and save her. March 18, 2000 - Original Timeline (post-Flashpoint, post-Crisis) S9 Flash (2023) is teleported to March 18, 2000, by a then-unknown force. S9 Flash encounters his parents in the past and is forced into interacting with them by a streak of lighting knocking him unconscious. After spending the day with his parents, S9 Flash runs to a secluded area, overcome with grief, where he encounters the Reverse Flash. The Reverse Flash tells Barry that he didn’t choose to come here but, by a stroke of fate, he was brought here to kill Barry as a child. Barry returns to Nora and Henry Allen one last time to speak to them and get closure. After a fight with a then-unknown force, Barry encounters Thawne on a neighborhood street. Barry attempts to give Thawne one final chance to change for the better, but Thawne laughs in Barry’s face and runs off to Barry’s childhood home to kill him as a child. Barry knows what he needs to do and takes off after him. Reverse Flash and Flash tackle each other into the house and fight. An 11-year-old Barry wakes up to screaming and the sound of lightning. He exits his room and sees his mother, Nora Allen, surrounded by red and yellow lightning in the living room. 2013 Flash (S1 Barry) breaks the dimensional barrier and travels back to March 18, 2000, appearing in his childhood bedroom. 2013 Flash opens the door and sees his mother. As he is about to intervene, S9 Flash sees him and tells him not to intervene. 2014 Flash (S2) runs back to March 18, 2000 after defeating Zoom, overcome with grief from losing his father. Thawne sees young Barry and makes a move on him. S9 Barry sees this and grabs his younger self before Thawne can reach him, taking him out of the house Thawne grabs a knife and lunges at Nora Allen, however S2 Flash intervenes and prevents Thawne from killing his mother 2013 (S1) Barry reopens the door, seeing his mother alive, and disappears from the timeline. After the events of 3x01, S3 Flash frees Thawne from his hidden prison cell and the two of them travel back to March 18, 2000 for Thawne to finish the job. After knocking out Thawne, S2 Barry looks up to see Thawne in front of him, he looks down and the Thawne he knocked out is gone. The S2 Barry disappears shortly after. Thawne grabs the knife and stabs Nora Allen Thawne runs out of the house and tries to open a breach back to his time, roughly 2 decades from this point, to discover that he has lost his speed and connection to the speed force. S9 Barry approaches Thawne and speaks to him S1 Barry reappears back into the timeline, enters the living room, and speaks to his mom one more time before she dies The murder of Barry’s mother creates a paradox for Thawne. Without the Flash, Thawne never becomes obsessed with speed. Without speed, Thawne never travels back in time to kill Barry’s mom, creating an endless paradoxical loop. After speaking with Thawne, S9 Barry disappears once more, unknown where (as of 9x10) Thawne, trapped in the past, assumes the identity of Harrison Wells to orchestrate the creation of the Flash so he can use his speed to return himself to the future and to allow 2013 Barry to return to the night his mother died and save her. So in total, The original timeline had 3 versions of Barry in the house that night (OG Timeline Flash, S1 Flash, Young Barry) and the New Timeline (post-Flashpoint, post-Crisis) had 5 versions of Barry (S9 Flash, S1 Flash, S2 Flash, S3 Flash, Young Barry) S9 Flash replaced 2024 Flash as the one to stop S1 Flash from saving Nora. the timeline we are on began after Nora died and 2024 Flash was erased. My interpretation was that the timeline was in flux up until Crisis. After the Crisis' date was changed, the timeline was altered so the Flash that stopped S1 Barry was S9 Barry. So, in Pre-Crisis S1, Barry saw the 2024 Flash. In Post-Crisis S1, Barry saw the S9 Flash. How's that for "convoluted"?
@@ArrowverseSeries No they weren't. The version of events we see in 1x17 no longer exist on Earth-Prime. On Earth-Prime, post Crisis, the OG Future Flash never existed, so our Barry took his place. It's why 9x10 didn't show the two coming out of a time portal and why Gideon doesn't say "your latest time jump against the Flash caused a massive drain on your powers you would have even noticed in the s1 RF and baryy came out of a porta whereas in season 9 ep 10 they didnt came out of the portal this timeline is now fixed
@@maxvanweert4498 Our S9 Barry was the one who told his past self from 1x23 not to intervene, that's why he waited a few seconds on the street before running after Thawne
I think edi is in a black hole
Who is the barry that is fighting thawne because you see there are still 2 speedsters fighting while s9 flash warns s1 flash
Yea, I remember! Only new thing was current Barry holding hand up to stop season 1 Barry from interfering.
@@JoeReactsTV but some people say that the one who is fighting thawne is s9 barry two but i dont get that
@@maxvanweert4498 These are the 2 separate timelines we saw of the night Nora Allen was murdered. I might have got 1 or2 things wrong but I think it's fairly accurate.
March 18, 2000 - Original Timeline (pre-Flashpoint, pre-Crisis)
In 2024, a fight between the original timeline Flash (the version of Barry that became the Flash in 2020 and has both living parents) and Reverse Flash occurs under Red Skies, Thawne learns Barry’s identity and plans to kill him as a child. The two speedsters fight and disappear in an “explosion of light”
The “explosion of light” was actually a dimensional rift opening between 2024 and 2000. Thawne travels back to March 18, 2000, and Barry follows
Reverse Flash and Flash tackle each other into the house and fight. An 11-year-old Barry wakes up to screaming and the sound of lightning. He exits his room and sees his mother, Nora Allen, surrounded by red and yellow lightning in the living room.
2013 Flash (S1 Barry) breaks the dimensional barrier and travels back to March 18, 2000, appearing in his childhood bedroom.
2013 Flash opens the door and sees his mother. As he is about to intervene, the original timeline Flash (2024 Barry) sees him and tells him not to.
Thawne sees young Barry and makes a move on him. 2024 Barry sees this and grabs his younger self before Thawne can reach him, taking him out of the house.
Thawne, angered that he failed. Grabs a Knife and stabs Nora Allen with the intention of creating a tragedy so life-altering that Barry never grows up to become the Flash.
2013 Flash listens to the original timeline Flash and closes the door, letting Thawne stab Nora Allen.
After the death of his mother in the past, the original timeline Flash is wiped from existence (either disappearing or electing to sacrifice himself to stop the 2024 crisis before the timeline catches up to him)
Thawne runs out of the house and tries to open a breach back to his time, roughly 2 decades from this point, to discover that he has lost his speed and connection to the speed force.
S1 Barry enters the living room and speaks to his Mom one more time before she dies
The murder of Barry’s mother creates a paradox for Thawne. Without the Flash, Thawne never becomes obsessed with speed. Without speed, Thawne never travels back in time to kill Barry’s mom, creating an endless paradoxical loop.
Thawne, trapped in the past, assumes the identity of Harrison Wells to orchestrate the creation of the Flash so he can use his speed to return himself to the future and to allow 2013 Barry to return to the night his mother died and save her.
March 18, 2000 - Original Timeline (post-Flashpoint, post-Crisis)
S9 Flash (2023) is teleported to March 18, 2000, by a then-unknown force.
S9 Flash encounters his parents in the past and is forced into interacting with them by a streak of lighting knocking him unconscious.
After spending the day with his parents, S9 Flash runs to a secluded area, overcome with grief, where he encounters the Reverse Flash.
The Reverse Flash tells Barry that he didn’t choose to come here but, by a stroke of fate, he was brought here to kill Barry as a child.
Barry returns to Nora and Henry Allen one last time to speak to them and get closure.
After a fight with a then-unknown force, Barry encounters Thawne on a neighborhood street. Barry attempts to give Thawne one final chance to change for the better, but Thawne laughs in Barry’s face and runs off to Barry’s childhood home to kill him as a child. Barry knows what he needs to do and takes off after him.
Reverse Flash and Flash tackle each other into the house and fight. An 11-year-old Barry wakes up to screaming and the sound of lightning. He exits his room and sees his mother, Nora Allen, surrounded by red and yellow lightning in the living room.
2013 Flash (S1 Barry) breaks the dimensional barrier and travels back to March 18, 2000, appearing in his childhood bedroom.
2013 Flash opens the door and sees his mother. As he is about to intervene, S9 Flash sees him and tells him not to intervene.
2014 Flash (S2) runs back to March 18, 2000 after defeating Zoom, overcome with grief from losing his father.
Thawne sees young Barry and makes a move on him. S9 Barry sees this and grabs his younger self before Thawne can reach him, taking him out of the house
Thawne grabs a knife and lunges at Nora Allen, however S2 Flash intervenes and prevents Thawne from killing his mother
2013 (S1) Barry reopens the door, seeing his mother alive, and disappears from the timeline.
After the events of 3x01, S3 Flash frees Thawne from his hidden prison cell and the two of them travel back to March 18, 2000 for Thawne to finish the job.
After knocking out Thawne, S2 Barry looks up to see Thawne in front of him, he looks down and the Thawne he knocked out is gone. The S2 Barry disappears shortly after. Thawne grabs the knife and stabs Nora Allen
Thawne runs out of the house and tries to open a breach back to his time, roughly 2 decades from this point, to discover that he has lost his speed and connection to the speed force.
S9 Barry approaches Thawne and speaks to him
S1 Barry reappears back into the timeline, enters the living room, and speaks to his mom one more time before she dies
The murder of Barry’s mother creates a paradox for Thawne. Without the Flash, Thawne never becomes obsessed with speed. Without speed, Thawne never travels back in time to kill Barry’s mom, creating an endless paradoxical loop.
After speaking with Thawne, S9 Barry disappears once more, unknown where (as of 9x10)
Thawne, trapped in the past, assumes the identity of Harrison Wells to orchestrate the creation of the Flash so he can use his speed to return himself to the future and to allow 2013 Barry to return to the night his mother died and save her.
So in total, The original timeline had 3 versions of Barry in the house that night (OG Timeline Flash, S1 Flash, Young Barry) and the New Timeline (post-Flashpoint, post-Crisis) had 5 versions of Barry (S9 Flash, S1 Flash, S2 Flash, S3 Flash, Young Barry)
S9 Flash replaced 2024 Flash as the one to stop S1 Flash from saving Nora. the timeline we are on began after Nora died and 2024 Flash was erased. My interpretation was that the timeline was in flux up until Crisis. After the Crisis' date was changed, the timeline was altered so the Flash that stopped S1 Barry was S9 Barry.
So, in Pre-Crisis S1, Barry saw the 2024 Flash. In Post-Crisis S1, Barry saw the S9 Flash.
How's that for "convoluted"?
@@ArrowverseSeries No they weren't. The version of events we see in 1x17 no longer exist on Earth-Prime. On Earth-Prime, post Crisis, the OG Future Flash never existed, so our Barry took his place. It's why 9x10 didn't show the two coming out of a time portal and why Gideon doesn't say "your latest time jump against the Flash caused a massive drain on your powers you would have even noticed in the s1 RF and baryy came out of a porta whereas in season 9 ep 10 they didnt came out of the portal this timeline is now fixed
@@maxvanweert4498 Our S9 Barry was the one who told his past self from 1x23 not to intervene, that's why he waited a few seconds on the street before running after Thawne