Michael Collins: The Demonisation of the White Working Class

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  • Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
  • On this week's #SWYSI, our guest is Michael Collins, author of "Likes of Us: A Biography of the White Working Class" (in which he argues that in the wake of the Stephen Lawrence inquiry, the white working class were cast as wholesale racist cattle by the liberal press whilst the rightwing press mocked their tastes and attitudes).
    Brought up in London's Elephant and Castle, where his family had lived for generations, Collins believes that middle-class condescension towards the white working class is nothing new. Missionaries from other classes have always descended to study, influence, patronise, politicise, socially engineer, and now to demonise them.
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  • @johnnymarshall5828
    @johnnymarshall5828 4 роки тому +611

    The white working class Londoners were the soul of the city,which is now a totally different place,and not a better place

    • @fourtoes412
      @fourtoes412 4 роки тому +29

      Totally agree!

    • @scinformation7229
      @scinformation7229 4 роки тому +51

      @@fourtoes412 I agree. I got to London in 1980, and it was a great city. Ten years later, it was uncrecognisible

    • @gillianbarker8516
      @gillianbarker8516 4 роки тому +43

      If the capitals gone what chance has the rest of the country....we are far too accepting and thought it would never happen...too late now !

    • @70AD-user45
      @70AD-user45 4 роки тому +48

      London has now become the least British city on earth.

    • @alan5863
      @alan5863 4 роки тому +5

      and then the world changed and global businesses wanted to bring wages down, make bigger profits so they encouraged free movement of labour. But the working classes, instead of blaming those in power blamed those with less power than themselves.

  • @Hickalum
    @Hickalum 4 роки тому +83

    Thank you God for taking my Dad before he had to experience woke.
    A lifetime as a shop steward fighting, day after day after day for people taken for granted.
    Now he would be totally rejected by the party he worshipped.

    • @yorkshirerose6334
      @yorkshirerose6334 4 роки тому +8

      My father was a coal miner and like you I am glad he never had to see what is happening.

  • @joemctaminey-webster1919
    @joemctaminey-webster1919 4 роки тому +263

    A white, heterosexual, working class male like me is at the bottom of the governments priorities.

    • @jonnyharry782
      @jonnyharry782 4 роки тому +28

      Add Christian to that and your done for 😔

    • @gg_rider
      @gg_rider 4 роки тому +4

      That's cuz you're already super privileged ;)
      by being White or "yt"

    • @littlenan3576
      @littlenan3576 4 роки тому +15

      Along with working class pensioners like me.

    • @joemctaminey-webster1919
      @joemctaminey-webster1919 4 роки тому +2

      @Matt Reynolds sorry where have I failed?

    • @joemctaminey-webster1919
      @joemctaminey-webster1919 4 роки тому +23

      @Matt Reynolds I'm happy with being working class mate, I don't want for anything. I believe people like me are at the bottom of the governments priorities and I don't give a fuck. I just go to work everyday pay my taxes and contribute to this country. I don't however, go on marches vandalising public priority because I feel sorry for myself 👌🏻

  • @IvanMectin
    @IvanMectin 4 роки тому +158

    It's refreshing to listen to a normal conversation without the childish Gotcha interruptions. Good interview.

    • @benjamin4894
      @benjamin4894 4 роки тому +11

      Couldn't agree more!
      I was just thinking how nice it is to hear two educated (white) men discussing these issues without feeling the need to qualify every statement with the usual apologies and disclaimers.

    • @glengraham7080
      @glengraham7080 4 роки тому +6

      Isnt it amazing that sensible, non argumentative discussion like this has become rare?

    • @Londonfogey
      @Londonfogey 4 роки тому +4

      @Gareth Thomas Mr Whittle is a good interviewer and in a more civilized age he would have been a BBC presenter, but of course that couldn't happen today as he doesn't hold the 'correct' views.

    • @Londonfogey
      @Londonfogey 4 роки тому +3

      @Gareth Thomas I've been fortunate enough to meet with and talk to Mr Whittle a few times while attending New Culture Forum events. Off camera he's much the same and has a good sense of humour.

    • @Johnconno
      @Johnconno 3 роки тому +1

      Yeah, the 1970s... Eh?

  • @horatioredgreenblue2130
    @horatioredgreenblue2130 4 роки тому +158

    "We have to stop their madness becoming our normality"

  • @drbrit7250
    @drbrit7250 4 роки тому +69

    As a working class scotsman, with Irish grandparents and an English mother where I was brought up in the North East of England its something to be bloody proud of. My grandad was in the mines his brothers at Swan hunters. These generations and generations before them built this country. Not the Asian, black or Eastern European man. The White ethnic working class of Britain. its disgusting what's happening in the world today. You even get branded a racist for stating facts and being proud of your culture and heritage. Nothing wrong with that.

    • @Londonfogey
      @Londonfogey 4 роки тому +5

      Check out the 1970s sitcom 'Love Thy Neighbour' on UA-cam while you still can. It is always referred to as 'racist' by the BBC critics etc but if you watch it you will see it is mainly a comedic look at the inevitable clash of cultures between native white British and West Indian immigrants.

    • @davidiand7
      @davidiand7 2 роки тому +3

      Well said!

    • @grrrlbreaker
      @grrrlbreaker Рік тому

      Minorities are civization's rats- they move in once the structure is built.

  • @alyswilliams9571
    @alyswilliams9571 4 роки тому +92

    Bravo Peter! Wonderful to see Michael Collins on your show. Great talk.

  • @NotQuiteFirst
    @NotQuiteFirst 4 роки тому +108

    Regardless of class, the ethnic peoples of Western countries have simply been _defined out of existence._ To say that somebody is British, French, German, Swedish, Dutch _used_ to mean they are of a particular ethnic group, in just the same way as we still use the words "Japanese" or "Korean", but today it just means any person who has been given a certain piece of paper by the government. The concept of "citizenship" has supplanted ethnicity, so the native peoples no longer have a home that is theirs. If you don't agree that David Lammy or Sadiq Khan are just as English as John Cleese or David Attenborough then you are called "racist".

    • @youtubeyoutube936
      @youtubeyoutube936 4 роки тому +10

      . European cultures are similar that over time we would merge into mainly 1 identity. My country does not give nationality simply because people are born there. It’s blood that counts. Anyway I can’t take some people seriously when I hear some people talking about “us British” when they identify with a non European Culture. I can’t believe they really think they are British (eg mr hamza of the SNP) when I don’t and culturally I’m much closer and have lived here for 50 years and have a British wife.

    • @xxvurltuallrealityxxx1006
      @xxvurltuallrealityxxx1006 4 роки тому +9

      UA-cam UA-cam Being British, and being English, Irish, Scottish or Welsh, is not the same thing, the latter four being indigenous, the former the empire lot. So Lammy and Sadiq are British, but never will they be English.

    • @roddi733
      @roddi733 4 роки тому +5

      Good points well made

    • @virvisquevir3320
      @virvisquevir3320 4 роки тому +9

      First - And then these "new British", "new French", "new Germans", "new Swedish", "new Dutch" celebrate and support and are loyal to their original ethnic culture. As a student, I lived for some time in a working class area of Berlin with Turkish flags hanging from almost apartment; if someone dared to hang a German flag, that would be torn down as "racist". I could't even go to the Turkish cafe downstairs to buy cigarettes. If there was a football - soccer - match between Germany and Turkey, three guesses whom the "new Germans" were rooting for...

    • @scottwhat3362
      @scottwhat3362 4 роки тому +3

      @@xxvurltuallrealityxxx1006 The term "Breton' is much older than the more modern terms you mention. Breton being a NW European Celtic ethnicity.

  • @josiepie6803
    @josiepie6803 4 роки тому +34

    As soon as it finished I started playing it again, thank you for saying what I've felt for the last four years. ☺️

  • @fourtoes412
    @fourtoes412 4 роки тому +206

    As someone who is proud to be a white, working class, skilled manual worker, I will never forget how totally horrified my white middle class Steiner School educated girlfriend was when I flew a Union Jack outside my house - as far as she was indoctrinated, only members of the National Front did this, never mind it was 1995 and we were celebrating VE day....

    • @paulwalker797
      @paulwalker797 4 роки тому +9

      Proud to be white???...you had no say in it!! Take pride in what you do...not what you are by accident of birth.

    • @fainitesbarley2245
      @fainitesbarley2245 4 роки тому +20

      I remember lefty friends in the eighties being shocked by a display of the Union Jack. They saw it as a symbol of theNational Front - who of course used it a lot. I asked them why we should let fringe lunatics like the NF take over and define our flag? It was a point of view that hadn’t occurred to them. The ‘living in a bubble’ aspect of the far left hasn’t changed.

    • @abigailslade3824
      @abigailslade3824 4 роки тому +13

      paul walker why shouldn’t he be proud of the achievements of his ancestors?

    • @paulwalker797
      @paulwalker797 4 роки тому +2

      @@abigailslade3824 You do know that genes show that so-called English white people are a mix of races and ethnicities. Being 'white' means nothing ...being English or Scottish or dare I say it European for eg is a different situation as your ancestors took part in a cultural legacy of which; if you are honest; you can feel pride and shame in equal measure. What matters is what you do...not what you are through an accident of birth or geography.

    • @abigailslade3824
      @abigailslade3824 4 роки тому +9

      paul walker so what he can be proud of being a saucepan if he wants why are you so upset about it?

  • @davidsexton6604
    @davidsexton6604 4 роки тому +180

    The working class have been betrayed and stabbed in the back by a cowardly middle class bunch of traitors. ,! It's all based on Fear ! Very interesting vid . It could have gone deeper .

    • @cuckingfunt9353
      @cuckingfunt9353 4 роки тому +13

      The stuffy nosed 'middle class' have always hated the working class, they are like the dogs of the posh house looking down on the dogs from the poor house.

    • @theconversation9103
      @theconversation9103 4 роки тому +5

      @@cuckingfunt9353 lol the middle-class haven't 'always' hated the working class because they are a relatively knew strata of society. They came from aspirational working-class families through institutions like grammar schools, raised to do new jobs that were needed to keep the Empire afloat

    • @bertiescunsbutch9323
      @bertiescunsbutch9323 4 роки тому +6

      @@theconversation9103 lol doesn't get away from the fact that there has and is a sneering middle class who know nothing of white working class London, perhaps as teachers they did teaching children, or a visit to the green grocers and butchers , or work done in their houses whilst they held their nose, but really quite limited. Yes had to keep the Empire afloat, conscripting men who if they refused would have been jailed without good reason. I doubt very much working class people made a big jump up the ladder during Empire days.

    • @LouiseKernow2024
      @LouiseKernow2024 4 роки тому +13

      You think Labour love us? They bow down to ethnic minorities and would open the borders to everyone. Those running Labour are millionaire champagne socialists living in London. They are worse because unlike the "middle class" they have seriously shafted the white working man when their party was made to represent him and then they put migrants above him.

    • @benjamin4894
      @benjamin4894 4 роки тому +4

      Oiii, don't put it all on the middle class!
      The toffs have far more power and influence and they've been more than happy to sit back and watch London become little Lahore!

  • @paulrobinson1644
    @paulrobinson1644 4 роки тому +100

    "A ghost walking through a once familiar city" so true. London is lost. Not my capital city anymore.

    • @offwiththefairies77
      @offwiththefairies77 4 роки тому +9

      it's not over till it's over. and it ain't.

    • @michealflaithbheartaigh4139
      @michealflaithbheartaigh4139 4 роки тому

      It sounds like Liverpool with middle class students

    • @littlenan3576
      @littlenan3576 4 роки тому +3

      I last saw London in 2000 and it had already changed beyond recognition to what it was when I worked there in the 1960s. There does not seem to be the friendly, happy, chatting people there now. Mind you I cannot understand most of them now and remember I am talking about 2000. I dread to think how it has been changed since then. That was bad enough.

  • @haroldpearson6025
    @haroldpearson6025 4 роки тому +72

    Im 79, left school at 15, engineering apprenticeship then 50 years working in developing countries 15 years of that with the UN. You should see the foul insulting messages I get telling me to go back to school etc. I came to the conclusion years ago that being well educated does not always relate to intelligence.

    • @annemcniell6956
      @annemcniell6956 4 роки тому +4

      Agree , I didn’t get a grand title, I’m a qualified interior designer, retired. I’m appalled at the ignorance of grammar , and other so called university higher subject peoples. You say something how it is without big words and they look at you blankly, then suddenly get it . I went to secondary school and lots of my peers became very well off, lots I know from grammar and universities are really struggling.

  • @Alan7997
    @Alan7997 4 роки тому +438

    "Middle class university educated" How many of them studied a STEM subject vs something like Peruvian lesbian throat singing with applied grievance studies?

    • @DouglasGross6022
      @DouglasGross6022 4 роки тому +18

      *LOL!!!*

    • @robertwatts1213
      @robertwatts1213 4 роки тому +20

      My wife and I studied English Literature for a BA. Then Archaeological Science as a BSc. We did these degrees as adults and they have provided two working class people with a decent living.
      We are proudly Working Class. It is my opinion that If you do not produce anything useful in the way of goods or services you are a parasite.
      The "Working Class " is a misnomer because so many of them do not work.

    • @carolinenorman6141
      @carolinenorman6141 4 роки тому +3

      Alan7997 lol🙏🏼🦋🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

    • @hannannah1uk
      @hannannah1uk 4 роки тому +17

      Why always mock lesbians? Many of us are working class. Many of us are white. Not all of us are leftists though we know the right mock us without a second thought.

    • @douglasherron7534
      @douglasherron7534 4 роки тому +22

      @@hannannah1uk The Left mock the whole LGBTQ.... community, only they do it by pretending to care about your "group" (as they cannot understand that people have their own, personal viewpoints and do not exist in "groupthink" classes).

  • @janeoftorquayfe1513
    @janeoftorquayfe1513 4 роки тому +30

    Really enjoyed listening as I am a born and bred Londoner, I am now in the West country that is beautiful but I miss London a lot. The Thames is in my soul we used to play on the old open boat ferry. I shall have to get his book. Thank you both for a very interesting conversation. 👍

  • @joeclarke7048
    @joeclarke7048 4 роки тому +27

    I so enjoyed this - turning "people need to be educated" on its head.
    Thank you so much - it raised my flagging spirits.

    • @ivannio4783
      @ivannio4783 4 роки тому +2

      Exactly

    • @benjamin4894
      @benjamin4894 4 роки тому +3

      True! What beautifully articulated sentiment.

  • @TheFatController.
    @TheFatController. 4 роки тому +216

    People with less experience of ethnic minorities have a better view of them... Once you've spent any time around any of these minorities, you realise how negative it is to increase their numbers in our country.

    • @70AD-user45
      @70AD-user45 4 роки тому +30

      London has already become the Islamic republic of Londonistan.

    • @iaianhardy2574
      @iaianhardy2574 4 роки тому +11

      @skutch Blobaum Thicko!

    • @thesouluniversal
      @thesouluniversal 4 роки тому +26

      This is very true, of certain ethnic minorities more than others. There are cultures who integrate well that we would benefit from importing more of, however for some reason the government seem to favour importing large numbers of the most problematic cultures on earth.

    • @odysseusreturns9133
      @odysseusreturns9133 4 роки тому +17

      @@70AD-user45 I am so glad I left that cesspit for rural Norfolk thinking that it would never happen here. Looking at the changing demographic in Norwich has proved me wrong. And the apathy of the locals is even more disturbing.

    • @stephenmackey4571
      @stephenmackey4571 4 роки тому +3

      So very true fat controller.

  • @evilcraftknife5705
    @evilcraftknife5705 4 роки тому +20

    "The ignorance of the educated" is my phrase of the week. Great episode.

  • @roberttreborable
    @roberttreborable 4 роки тому +68

    We don't want to be stuck in the same jobs as our Grandparents were we want to move on... However we don't want to lose our values to ignorant, barbaric intolerant ideologies..

    • @scottw3780
      @scottw3780 4 роки тому +9

      You mean when we actually used to make things and us men had real jobs?

    • @joeclarke7048
      @joeclarke7048 4 роки тому +7

      The purpose of education is not to turn working class people into middle class people.
      "Social mobility" is a very dubious concept, dressed up as a virtue 🤔

  • @charlyannekirby
    @charlyannekirby 4 роки тому +37

    I feel this so strongly & I didn't even know these books existed. My dad was from a Brummie working class family. I grew up in the working class and what I have observed in this era, is that we don't have a voice. We are ignored. Being a white working class woman now is a feeling of empty ness.

  • @kcx5817
    @kcx5817 4 роки тому +67

    Working class are the real down to earth people! ....... I'm one of them ;)

    • @psalm1197
      @psalm1197 4 роки тому +3

      KC X the working class know WHAT REAL LIFE IS.

    • @crawford1083
      @crawford1083 4 роки тому

      Down to earth - 6 feet down ideally.
      So sick of listening to white chav Londoners who moved AHT to get away from all the blacks and Asians, when had they stayed put there would have been nowhere for blacks and Asians to move into! Moron boomer chavs who were the core of Thatcher;s support and the support for Brexit.

    • @crawford1083
      @crawford1083 3 роки тому

      @@jackgammon4084 True enough

    • @Maelli535
      @Maelli535 3 роки тому

      @@crawford1083 Oh, of course - you're better. I'm pleased for you.

  • @willibobsful
    @willibobsful 4 роки тому +35

    "The Road to Wigan Pier" explains best for me who the "working class" was and how they and indeed the lower middle class were treated by The Establishment.

    • @claudiavivarelli7571
      @claudiavivarelli7571 4 роки тому +7

      Yes... for me it describes the white slavery that fed the industrial revolution. We owe so much to those people. The Road to Wigan Pier changed my outlook.. never again will I feel sorry for myself!

    • @willibobsful
      @willibobsful 4 роки тому +2

      Ciccio Bello Thank you Ciccio,if you haven’t already then check out Jim Goad the American author for how he tells us more about white slavery in the early days of American conquest.

    • @fainitesbarley2245
      @fainitesbarley2245 4 роки тому +2

      JCBAirmaster73
      Yes. Other searing descriptions of working class life are Love On The Dole, North and South and Twopence To Cross The Mersey.
      The latter is interesting as it is about poverty from the point of view of a middle class girl who’s family loses literally everything in the 30’s.

    • @fainitesbarley2245
      @fainitesbarley2245 4 роки тому +1

      JCBAirmaster73
      Yep. I think it was a book or short story first by the guy who wrote ‘The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner’

    • @Londonfogey
      @Londonfogey 4 роки тому +1

      I also recommend: 'The People of the Abyss', by Jack London. 'The Nether World' by George Gissing and 'A Child of the Jago' by Arthur Morrison.

  • @Dave-uf8ek
    @Dave-uf8ek 4 роки тому +21

    I have worked hard all my life supporting my wife and kids, I looked up one day and realised I was the only white English person left. We have been replaced.

    • @TheAaronChand
      @TheAaronChand 3 роки тому +1

      Well the British English clonized half the world

  • @ianmcatamney7213
    @ianmcatamney7213 4 роки тому +36

    we are still here.

  • @markbeetham5118
    @markbeetham5118 4 роки тому +17

    This is so on the button. It is such a relief to hear what I've believed all my life.

  • @TJ_USA
    @TJ_USA 4 роки тому +14

    I''m in the final two chapters of 'the Likes of Us'. It is an astonishing book. Collins' book is a significant cultural event.

  • @jeffjeffreym1830
    @jeffjeffreym1830 4 роки тому +16

    What an interesting interview. I'd never heard of this chap, but as kids we were near neighbours and I recognise the people and attitudes he describes. He's speaking my language. Thanks.

  • @rick4electric
    @rick4electric 4 роки тому +77

    Say it out loud! I'm White and I'm proud! - James White

    • @dutchdykefinger
      @dutchdykefinger 4 роки тому

      what about frank black?

    • @1982kinger
      @1982kinger 4 роки тому

      I might be white... But my rhymes is tight

  • @wurlitzer895
    @wurlitzer895 4 роки тому +11

    I was born and brought up in Eltham in the 1950s and 1960s and it was a lovely place to live.

  • @mazyzazie4048
    @mazyzazie4048 4 роки тому +11

    This discussion starts ploddingly and then 15 minutes later becomes very interesting and illuminating. Peter Whittle manages this admirably well.

  • @lotus7eater
    @lotus7eater 4 роки тому +22

    So glad there's somebody who cares.

  • @chrisaltman3113
    @chrisaltman3113 4 роки тому +34

    The erasure of the working class began long ago, but was hastened on after EU membership when so much of UK production was transferred to the EU, especially Germany
    The next major stage was the expectation of schools to get 50% of their leavers into university, whether or not that was best for the students or the country. Of course, when someone has a degree, they don't expect to be doing any sort of manual work so mass importation of cheap foreign labour began to do jobs in agriculture, plumbing, building, restaurant work etc

    • @susanbrown2909
      @susanbrown2909 4 роки тому +5

      chris altman The working class masses has weakened ,due to this country outsourcing and veering away from manufacture; which the Chinese do for us instead.
      They have become very powerful from it too.
      We need to take back production on a bigger scale and revert to times we were the true merchants ,industrialists of the world.

  • @fraseredkins2509
    @fraseredkins2509 4 роки тому +15

    Excellent intellectually refreshing/stimulating discussion.

  • @disband_thebbc5933
    @disband_thebbc5933 4 роки тому +36

    "Keep knocking on the devil's door and one day he might just answer"

  • @saltspringrailway3683
    @saltspringrailway3683 4 роки тому +9

    In '67 we moved from a tiny town centre terraced house with an outside loo, a tin bath and a cold water tap to a pebble dashed concrete terraced house on the outskirts of the city. It had a bath, two indoor loos, a garden, was spanking new and spacious. I attended a brand new junior school with lots of open space, again a sharp contrast with the dark, foreboding junior school I had attended previously. As a teenager in the 70's I got up to mischief with my friends but NOTHING compared to what youth get up to nowadays! No-one we knew took drugs, got their girlfriends pregnant or routinely knifed other people. Sadly it would now be called a sink estate with calls to demolish it.
    PS The comprehensive school I attended on the estate (opened by non other than Harold Wilson) was a disaster where everyone messed about in many of the lessons and received very little education and I was seriously bullied until the roughies left upon reaching 15. It was a pile of bricks when we last looked in '04!

  • @rick4electric
    @rick4electric 4 роки тому +19

    We either fight to take our rightful place of respect or we perish!

  • @MUNRO13
    @MUNRO13 4 роки тому +7

    This channel is amazing. And your guest today was very enlightening for me.

  • @johnhouldingloyal
    @johnhouldingloyal 4 роки тому +68

    Tony Blair had the chance to categories white English, Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish as an ethnic group with the UN and he didn't.

    • @djicepole
      @djicepole 4 роки тому +21

      That's because he is evil.

    • @robertmacleod6729
      @robertmacleod6729 4 роки тому +12

      Why would he. He is not on our side. He is the enemey

    • @northernsoul4477
      @northernsoul4477 4 роки тому +5

      Tony Blair tried to bury us.

    • @saxglend9439
      @saxglend9439 4 роки тому +4

      Blair is a Roman Catholic satanist.

    • @michaelsrowland
      @michaelsrowland 4 роки тому +3

      When did he have this opportunity? Seems strange as the UN is a globalist organisation set up by the Rockefellers

  • @pstotto
    @pstotto 4 роки тому +36

    Videos like the above, never ask WHO IS DOING IT. 'Capitalism' isn't a named person, 'the media' isn't a named person.

    • @DFunct905
      @DFunct905 4 роки тому +1

      pstotto globalists, there are millions and thousands in the ruling classes. It’s not so simple is pointing a finger.

    • @pstotto
      @pstotto 4 роки тому +2

      @Die Europaische The culture secretary is ultimately responsible for the state appointment of the head of the BBC and the Tate galleries. Look there, for starters and hone the direction of the response, otherwise it's a kitten after a shoal of fish.

    • @cuckingfunt9353
      @cuckingfunt9353 4 роки тому +5

      We all know who is doing it.... The 'you know whos' are doing it.

    • @CherylCold
      @CherylCold 4 роки тому +2

      Probably starts at Builderburg, then filtered through.

    • @iaianhardy2574
      @iaianhardy2574 4 роки тому +4

      Exactly, the authors of our demise hide behind a corporate fog: except ,of course, the whole of BBC and ITV news presenters and editors. Dont get me started on 'The Guardian'.

  • @Mediumal
    @Mediumal 4 роки тому +37

    Any building that has the words "Community Centre" over its entrance is neither a centre of anything nor indeed much of a community.

  • @junesmith790
    @junesmith790 4 роки тому +9

    There is hope for “us” when we have these two Fantastic gentleman
    Love this conversation. Thank You

  • @chrisbishop1534
    @chrisbishop1534 4 роки тому +14

    I'm 67 and can remember the later 50s, 60s ,70s,and 80s,.This was a good country .I left school at 15 with no formal qualifications and went to work in a factory with local people from around the town who were all ENGLISH. Lovely people all earning a living and then came Thatcher and goodbye manufacturing in our town.This country is now a shit tip compared to what it was.Our government is now a joke with the likes of Williamson and Patel who were sacked and then given top positions in this fiasco.We are are now an endandered species in our own country.

    • @eph2817
      @eph2817 4 роки тому +7

      The same for me, no qualifications but I got an office job when I left school aged 15 in 1967.

    • @michaelsrowland
      @michaelsrowland 4 роки тому +4

      Once we got jobs and our coworkers were English and could talk English. But now who wants to work alongside Romanians or poles speaking their language

  • @johnnymarshall5828
    @johnnymarshall5828 4 роки тому +56

    The lie of working class racism is a very unfair accusation,we had kids from everywhere growing up in London,they were just our mates and treated very well by us,the new influx is a different story though,they get here and start making demands when they should be very grateful to be here,the working class has been demonized,but all based on lies

    • @gillianbarker8516
      @gillianbarker8516 4 роки тому +6

      Agree

    • @grayzytube
      @grayzytube 4 роки тому +1

      @JCBAirmaster73 Please explain what is so great about nationhood and being nationalistic. I'm 67 and I've never understood either concept. The former has caused more conflict, violence and bloodshed than any religion has. The latter needs a nation to be proud of and I've yet to visit/work in any country that doesn't think it's the best place on earth and I've yet to find one that actually is. Nationalists are a little bit like supporters of footbal teams, blindly loyal, never willing to admit the failings, omissions or weaknesses their own counry possesses in case they appear disloyal. So much for objectivity.

    • @grayzytube
      @grayzytube 4 роки тому +1

      @JCBAirmaster73 Why should I be grateful for expecting to be treated 'humanely'? I suspect you don't travel much outside of countries which follow the Western enlightenment philosophy model. You should try it sometime. That model is practiced by less than a fifth of the world's population and compared to say Bhuddism is nowhere near the best philosophy of life.

    • @eph2817
      @eph2817 4 роки тому +1

      @@grayzytube Stop spouting rubbish.

  • @mick947
    @mick947 4 роки тому +7

    The smugness and contempt shown by people who see themselves as having educated themselves above the working man just shows what a status seeking society we are and how quickly we can all turn into snobs.

    • @maureenrhysjones4643
      @maureenrhysjones4643 2 роки тому +1

      Now isn't that the truth! I'm a working class gal who educated my kids...and now they look down on me!

  • @kingbobiivboofftwitter1758
    @kingbobiivboofftwitter1758 4 роки тому +6

    You've articulated exactly how I feel so perfectly. Thank you.

  • @garwvalley6946
    @garwvalley6946 4 роки тому +58

    Lower Class. Upper, Middle, Lower. "Working Class" is a dupe term used to keep the Lower Class in their place; "Working Class and proud of it"

    • @andrewfish3778
      @andrewfish3778 4 роки тому +3

      There was a piece in the Telegraph some years back about new class definitions. You answered a series of questions and it told you what class you are under the new divisions. Both my wife and I came out as "technical middle class" because we were both born into working class backgrounds, studied (proper subjects) at university and work in professional roles, but haven't allowed that to fundamentally change our attitudes. Apparently it's quite a small chunk of society. The people causing all the trouble are a specific part of the middle-class (I've heard them referred to as lumpen-intelligensia): people who grow up in affluent families with a strong sense of entitlement, study fluffy subjects at university and then feel hard-done by because employers in the jobs they think they "deserve" don't see their qualifications as applicable (I recall a story a couple of years back about one such who tried to claim being made to work at Poundland was slave labour). There was a similar cohort in mediaeval times, when primogeniture meant the first son of a nobleman inherited the estate, the second entered the priesthood and the third got nothing. This sullent bunch caused their trouble by becoming outlaws.

    • @jonjohnson3282
      @jonjohnson3282 4 роки тому +2

      Try "Undeserving Class" as another substitute term. I'm sure that's what the liberal elites believe whether we work or not.

    • @youtubeyoutube936
      @youtubeyoutube936 4 роки тому +1

      Even here anti Semitism. What an amazing people to be able to control the world

    • @garwvalley6946
      @garwvalley6946 4 роки тому +2

      @Worker You sound like the Middle Class who call themselves "Working Class" because they have to work for a living. They wear the "Working Class" badge and it is unearned and stolen from the Lower Class. It is perhaps the greatest example of Cultural Appropriation in our present day.

    • @fainitesbarley2245
      @fainitesbarley2245 4 роки тому

      Andrew Fish
      Later the younger sons all joined the army!
      Their best hope was to marry an heiress.
      “The Way We Live Now” by Anthony Trollope is a superb description of the corruption and hypocrisy of this culture. Also, Middlemarch by George Elliot.

  • @gabrielleheard6366
    @gabrielleheard6366 4 роки тому +10

    For the last thirty years London has become owned by foreigners. Londoners were pushed out to the outskirts. I remember going back up to London and many times asking for directions, every time it would be someone who was a stranger and could not help. London used to be a collection of small villages side by side.

  • @jacquistephens605
    @jacquistephens605 4 роки тому +8

    We are only demonised if we allow ourselves to be demonised. xx

  • @chrishill6715
    @chrishill6715 4 роки тому +74

    The army can't get recruits I wonder why.

    • @disband_thebbc5933
      @disband_thebbc5933 4 роки тому +28

      Have you seen how the 'Elite's' treat the veterans of our armed forces. No wonder they have trouble recruiting.

    • @keithd4406
      @keithd4406 4 роки тому +30

      And if the new recruits show any signs of patriotism, well you're immediately labelled " far right " , and drummed out , its such a shame.

    • @awolgeordie9926
      @awolgeordie9926 4 роки тому +11

      Any white lads signing up to defend Africans and Muslims who despise them must be mad.

    • @williamdixon2368
      @williamdixon2368 4 роки тому +4

      Why would fight for a country that doesn't belong to us White people! In a demographic & cultural sense

    • @williamdixon2368
      @williamdixon2368 4 роки тому +6

      Our country has been taken away from us by leftist fascists

  • @johnburman966
    @johnburman966 4 роки тому +6

    As a young Rhodesian professional working in London in the 1970,s the lefties I met were spoiled trendies, completely shallow wanting the moral high ground. Never experienced pain, hardship.....but it's coming in their old age.

  • @ruthirwin8222
    @ruthirwin8222 4 роки тому +30

    Great interview...im tired of being told the only reason i voted for brexit is im old and white.....im only 63 lol.....this is after all a white country .... we live north of equater ...so we are whit so we can make more vit d in less sunshine..its not racist

    • @fainitesbarley2245
      @fainitesbarley2245 4 роки тому +6

      I help out with my local football club. I’ve never asked but I would put money on the whole lot of them, teams, coaches, supporters having voted Brexit.
      None of them care at all about black or middle eastern players - as long as they’re good blokes.
      This whole leftist narrative about the stupid, racist white working class is a myth.

  • @Google-Account-hd5dk
    @Google-Account-hd5dk 4 роки тому +20

    On the degree educated point: one of my friends who is very talented and has always achieved high scores in exams literally asked me what the EU was, the day before they voted to stay in. That's why I always laugh when people pretend the stay side were incredibly well-informed.

    • @bluevan12
      @bluevan12 4 роки тому +3

      I have a degree and voted out.

  • @geoffhalsey2184
    @geoffhalsey2184 4 роки тому +17

    The educated middle class who live in expensive satellite areas (ESA) outside of the cities, have no experience of what it's like to see their town become as strange as a foreign country. I've often thought what an interesting experiment it would be to crowd fund housing in ESA and then rent them out extremely cheaply to our new overseas arrivals. Initially culture shock to the town and then, over time, the realisation that colonialism isn't just a European phenomenon, as they find themselves part of a dwindling indigenous minority.

    • @viewfromthill673
      @viewfromthill673 4 роки тому +7

      Was having this very conversation with my work mates. I said if i won multi millions i would do exactly this in the Middle Class areas just to give them a 'taste' of Diversity is our Strength. I do not recognise my Town now it feels like a UN project.

    • @michaelsrowland
      @michaelsrowland 4 роки тому +1

      @@viewfromthill673 the un was set up by the Rockefellers.

    • @michaelsrowland
      @michaelsrowland 4 роки тому

      Do you mean the white educated middle class?

    • @viewfromthill673
      @viewfromthill673 4 роки тому +3

      @@michaelsrowland Yes- not necessarily educated lol but certainly the Middle Class types who preach about the benefits of Multiculturalism but don't actually live with it's problems.

    • @geoffhalsey2184
      @geoffhalsey2184 3 роки тому

      @@michaelsrowland No not really, but they do make the majority of the well salaried, though a good income isn't the main factor. It's that walk like a duck and quack like a duck thing that forms the basis social groups and cultures.

  • @kevhill8106
    @kevhill8106 4 роки тому +54

    One of the more insidious opinions disturbingly prevalent among the left wing middle class friends I have and love, is that the working class (referring to white working class people of course) shouldn't have a vote! Flattering themselves that Plato's Republic presciently alluded to people such as themselves when he proposed that we should be governed by philosophers! My reference to The Republic passed over their heads. This was a post Brexit conversation of course. They were also self editing because I'm the only white working class friend they have!

    • @narutoniichan
      @narutoniichan 4 роки тому +14

      Your friends are insane.

    • @roberttreborable
      @roberttreborable 4 роки тому +2

      Of course as you know, people who don't have a vote are ignored... As they have before .... Only after getting the vote did health and safety come into play.....

    • @thedingo1572
      @thedingo1572 4 роки тому +1

      how will you arm. I’m curious as to where you will obtain guns?

    • @ratherlargehooter8200
      @ratherlargehooter8200 4 роки тому +10

      I couldn’t have middle class friends like that, I find them soft and naive with no sense of humour, I’d forever be wanting to give them a slap, I’ll stick with me own.

    • @RayThackeray
      @RayThackeray 4 роки тому

      What a utter bunch of lies.

  • @taqiya3504
    @taqiya3504 4 роки тому +9

    It is better to be uneducated than badly educated.

  • @benbirch2393
    @benbirch2393 4 роки тому +12

    We were never asked.

  • @richardhumphreys8662
    @richardhumphreys8662 4 роки тому +3

    Thank you for another engaging and informative conversation. I really appreciate this channel.

  • @maxkite4170
    @maxkite4170 4 роки тому +10

    I was in Elephan and Castle (La Infanta de Castille) in the '70s and it was 99% white working class. Now?

  • @frankday1234
    @frankday1234 4 роки тому +5

    I'm white, English, male, heterosexual, and working class., and a nominal Christian. I don't need telling about prejudice or discrimination, it's been open season on the likes of me for the past 40 years at least.

    • @thenewmaniscoming6533
      @thenewmaniscoming6533 4 роки тому

      THATS BECAUSE YOUR ALL WINGING MORONS DESTINED TO DISAPPEAR.

    • @frankday1234
      @frankday1234 4 роки тому +1

      @@thenewmaniscoming6533 Dream on snowflake.

    • @frankday1234
      @frankday1234 4 роки тому

      @@thenewmaniscoming6533 Dream on duchess.

  • @ianjack7537
    @ianjack7537 4 роки тому +9

    working people don't need education they are born with common sence

  • @steveswitzer4353
    @steveswitzer4353 4 роки тому +3

    Wonderful book as the son of an Irish immigrant born in Leyton I totally get this, still live in east London support orient and agree with all he says it’s all been betrayed

  • @bcfc18751
    @bcfc18751 4 роки тому +1

    Getting this great video out to the masses!! Keep telling the truth!! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿✝️🙏🏼🇬🇧⛪️

  • @Iveraghboy
    @Iveraghboy 4 роки тому +37

    Its just plain snobbery no more and no less, driven by materialism and narcissism.

  • @juanhunglow2220
    @juanhunglow2220 4 роки тому +2

    I was born in Walworth, just up the road from the E&C and grew up in that area until I moved out in my late 20’s. He’s 100% correct👍

  • @celticvixen8002
    @celticvixen8002 4 роки тому +5

    Join Patriotic Alternative .... the only organisation that will fight for our country.

  • @d.marques4700
    @d.marques4700 2 роки тому +1

    An outstanding conversation, truly! Lots of key-information to be absorved by us...

  • @Confusion.and.Delay...
    @Confusion.and.Delay... 4 роки тому +15

    They cannot wait to send Boxer to the knackers.

    • @primafacie6442
      @primafacie6442 4 роки тому +3

      Establishment has done that with the Boxer metaphor being the UK Armed Forces (traditionally the backbone being from working class). Consider the impact of Blair’s Good Friday Agreement, Iraq WMD nonsense, criminalisation of loyal servicemen and many others that have been abandoned with PTSD and related psychological and social problems. Now that same Blair foreign policy has undoubtedly contributed to uncontrolled migration and the domestic horror of radical Islamic terrorism.

  • @beetlegin
    @beetlegin 4 роки тому +8

    Great conversation about a topic that is now taboo. Far too short !

  • @raimesey
    @raimesey 4 роки тому +24

    Invest in some better microphones. The sound quality is terrible which is a shame because your content is very good. Something to consider.

  • @jerryweeks1231
    @jerryweeks1231 4 роки тому +2

    Thank you very much. What an interesting talk.

  • @mabelheinzle8758
    @mabelheinzle8758 4 роки тому +4

    Thank you

  • @raymondolunn
    @raymondolunn 4 роки тому +6

    Nice seeing the book behind Peter Whittle, 'Londoners' by Craig Taylor. I'm in that book talking about homelessness in London from a white northern lad's perspective of London from a white 'working class' Leeds lad.

    • @psalm1197
      @psalm1197 4 роки тому +1

      Raymond Lunn 👏👏👏 Glad he included your insights.

    • @fainitesbarley2245
      @fainitesbarley2245 4 роки тому +1

      Who knows “Maybe It’s Because I’m a Londoner” now?

  • @jac627
    @jac627 4 роки тому +5

    Growing up I always respected the cultural middle class and aspired to perhaps not to join (as that would be impossible coming from a solid working class background) but to share similar values and lifestyle.
    Since brexit and now their reaction to the Poundland plague I have realised what a total embarrassment they have become and never before have I been so proud to be called working class as I see a strength and stoicism that has clearly been drained from what are essentially a bunch of educated idiots.

  • @johnroberts2878
    @johnroberts2878 4 роки тому +3

    Michael is a great bloke. Loved his book. I come from Walworth so it chimes with me. Think we might have gone to the same school: William Penn.

  • @deborahrobertson8606
    @deborahrobertson8606 4 роки тому +5

    Thank you so much for the excellent channel, Peter. Another fascinating conversation. We're in the midst of a great replacement. Deracination and the erasure of our history and culture is key in their process. When does the resistance start...and how?

    • @maureenrhysjones4643
      @maureenrhysjones4643 2 роки тому +1

      Having aired our feelings, I truly believe it has started. One thing that will never die is the will of the British people. I would happily return to UK to support it! In fact it is uppermost in my mind!!

  • @murrayeldred3563
    @murrayeldred3563 3 роки тому

    Very clear + eloquent.

  • @bigboyrambo2009
    @bigboyrambo2009 4 роки тому +8

    The British working class has been ethnically cleansed.

    • @Hoonter101
      @Hoonter101 3 роки тому

      they are being cleansed, we haven't lost yet since we are still the majority of the population but we are limited on time. Maybe we have one more generation left til it is beyond saving.

  • @tfSmudge
    @tfSmudge 2 роки тому +1

    Hats off Michael. Hackney boy, Hertford man, I can relate to the abandonment being an ex-union and Labour man. My ilk were encouraged to move out of the smoke in the 80s/90s where we could afford to buy. As the left white middle classes were buying up the run down properties in c London now worth millions - ho hum! 👏🏻👏🏼👏🏽 🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

  • @mikethemanc9077
    @mikethemanc9077 4 роки тому +10

    Wait till the English man has had enough you won't know what's hit you , seems to be simmering at the moment

  • @bertiescunsbutch9323
    @bertiescunsbutch9323 4 роки тому +1

    Superb discussion , Michael Collins description on what has happened in London and elsewhere is so real and familiar. Our capital city and people ruined by sneering elites.

  • @richardsevern2973
    @richardsevern2973 4 роки тому +4

    When I was a kid, you could leave a job and walk straight into another.

  • @jjs3287
    @jjs3287 2 роки тому

    Always fascinating to listen to Michael, his description of the typical comprehensive school teacher types in the 1970s was spot on!

  • @benjamin4894
    @benjamin4894 4 роки тому +8

    It's difficult to have a legit 'working class' 2 decades after all the 'essential' work was moved offshore!

  • @mc.8391
    @mc.8391 4 роки тому +1

    I admire Peter Whittle for having this conversation with Michael Collins .... Someone needed to do it ....

    • @narcosniper78
      @narcosniper78 3 роки тому

      Brilliant discussion. The white working class have been slaves for hundreds of years. Few of the above classes have a willingness to recognize that fact....

  • @carolineflanagan6855
    @carolineflanagan6855 4 роки тому +4

    We in the UK have more foodbanks than mconalds and burger king combined, nearly 5million kids living on or below the poverty line, poor outcomes for so so many, it a modern day tragedy and we need another way forward and fairer distribution of the wealth and a better quality of life for the masses not just the few elites at the top of the food chain

  • @Liamfulful
    @Liamfulful 4 роки тому +2

    I am British, white & working class and from my experience the left hatred towards us is because deep down they know we will never vote for their ideas and they feel we have always been an embarrassment to them.
    Brexit has brought the left hatred out in the open...
    Just look at the Labour a party which was set up for the working class is now taken over by the woke middle class leftist who go out their way to alienate the working class from the only party that truly represented them.
    I voted Conservative for the first time and I have zero regrets and talking of conservatism the working class have lots more in common with conservatism than of the current hard leftist ideas.

  • @rogerking2888
    @rogerking2888 4 роки тому +3

    The service economy killed us. Shit unstable work with no Union representation. That took away the route be becoming politicised for a lot of working-class people. Thus you end up with the low talent / low intellect people you have in Parliament now. Capitalism wasn't our friend. Next time you hear someone say "I'm socially and economically liberal", they're espousing the ideas that have crushed us. Economic liberalism in the 80s was joined by social liberalism in the 90s,and then the Tories came along with austerity, which was basically liberalism on steroids and hey presto, look at what you've got now.... Oh well at least the Army and professional football are still viable working class career paths. Great video 👍

  • @BabaBest2000
    @BabaBest2000 4 роки тому +1

    I'm white working class and I'm Muslim. I get it from both ends. It's awesome.

  • @misfit2022
    @misfit2022 4 роки тому +12

    In the future I expect more and more will shun university especially the male population as what they are teaching is no longer relevant to young men. I lived in west London, more M4 than up west, and London is all about house prices now and the divide between the old and new residents as highlighted by John Lanchester in Capital.

    • @misfit2022
      @misfit2022 4 роки тому +3

      Vera Bennett There may be some subjects they have not decimated yet like maths and engineering as not really sure how they are going to screw those up yet but I am sure they will give it a go. The options seem more limited now as even in the 90’s there were factories to roll in and out of depending upon alcohol consumption the night before but when I go back a lot of these big employers have gone like EMI in West London and other factories have been turned into housing. The employment landscape is very different now. My advice to sons get a trade and my choice if I had my time again plumbing. My ex neighbour is a plumber and managed to rent his flat and save for a deposit faster than the market rising. He moved last year into a nice 3 bed house. He said he was 40’s so it was time but that would be my choice if I was 18 again.

    • @timeweston
      @timeweston 4 роки тому +2

      Funny. The front page of our local newspaper had a photo of the year's graduating students marching down the main street. About a dozen young women in cap and gown...and one guy.
      Turn the page and a large article bemoaning the lack of women in public life.
      They are currently enjoying the halcyon days where they can ignore reality and be applauded.
      Trouble is....its harder to ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.
      There's going to be one hell of a reckoning.

    • @misfit2022
      @misfit2022 4 роки тому

      TRW1974 See next week’s article where have all the decent men gone says one graduate. Another graduate says I got this great job in a lawyers office but 99% of the office are female. Another graduate says for every 5 females there is only one man? Who are we going to marry says another graduate because I’ve not done all this to start dating down. Meanwhile many men are blissfully happy In their own space doing what they want when they want with little knowledge of the frustration around them because the graduates haven’t noticed these young men because that would involve the sin of dating down 🤣

    • @misfit2022
      @misfit2022 4 роки тому +1

      Vera Bennett Considering maths is mostly numbers which came from India through China to the Middle East and into Europe through Fibonacci I am not sure where “decolonisation” comes into it but I am sure it will. Law is all female now and the articles I have read angry too. It was still old stuffed shirts when I was before them. Not sure I would have got the lucky breaks I had then now. So Doctor Vera Bennett then 😁. A friend’s brother moved to Germany for more secure long term rental set up as a general handyman and rarely comes back. In the UK there is much short term rental but he wanted 5; 10 years sort of tenancy. I think it should be for a few weeks at least as a day doesn’t teach the momentum needed to get up each day. I completely agree little hope for young boys at present in the UK and statistics show even less hope if from a background where the parents are no longer together. I think the fact mine were together saved me a prison sentence as they called it a stable home life. A friend of mine who’s parents were divorced got 3 years because they said prison would give him the discipline he needed.

    • @Londonfogey
      @Londonfogey 4 роки тому

      @@misfit2022 LOL at 'dating down'. The odd thing is very few men would even think of such a concept, it's an almost exclusively female idea. Men just date women they find attractive, either in personality and/or appearance, and aren't bothered what she does for a living.

  • @emit9462
    @emit9462 4 роки тому +2

    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear."
    - Marcus Tullius Cicero

  • @barriejackson3294
    @barriejackson3294 4 роки тому +4

    Orwell focused his anti on the intellectuals of his time, but I think that the so called Middle Class could be added in there to. They're not intellectuals, just snobs.
    "England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during ‘God save the King’ than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British.” - George Orwell, 1941

  • @peterrichardson9248
    @peterrichardson9248 3 роки тому

    50 years ago I was schooled about sailing and the sea at my college by a retired lifeboatman. He was quite a character and referred to us as the "inteligensia" in quite a condescending way but with a hint of humour. I never quite understood it then but he was decades ahead of his time. We were very lucky to have someone like him teaching us and became far better seafarers because of his insights and opportunities to experience struggles with the sea but in safety.

  • @New-Moderate
    @New-Moderate 4 роки тому +5

    Brutalism - one of many 20th century architectural styles that promoted Marxist demoralisation. It had no inspirational or uplifting quality. Just a curiosity at best.

  • @dannyd9872
    @dannyd9872 4 роки тому +1

    Really great interview. Thank you PW. x

  • @Jonnie-Falafel
    @Jonnie-Falafel 4 роки тому +4

    I'll get Michael Collins book. It will be interesting to compare and contrast with Owen Jones's "Chavs: The Demonisation of the Working Class" where Jones seems to misunderstand what was meant by 'chav'.

    • @bluevan12
      @bluevan12 4 роки тому +4

      @James Donnelly Chavs generally don't work for a start and have no sense of style or taste at least if your working class you should own at least one decent suit.

    • @alundavies8402
      @alundavies8402 3 роки тому

      @@bluevan12 chav is a short form of the word chavor that is usually if you are speaking to a group of chavvies you speaking to a group of boys but as my language is not spoken much here it’s being used to speak about people who have not got a chance of being employed at something that they might be good at because people with the authority to help them are defining those people as useless and drunks but a lot aren’t and would definitely work if it wasn’t so risky towards keeping a roof over your head and people that say that the benefits system is not helping people to find work cut it to the barest minimum and sanctions are what happens if you aren’t well enough to sign on or some rather draconian ruling that means that a great many people are suffering from depression and have not got any way to access the right help because the people that are supposed to be there to help you don’t seem to be able to understand what you are saying and write something that is the opposite of what you said so that means the only thing that makes them forget about that for a little while is something that you either drink or smoke people that are really marginalised have the label chav when they are just lost and have nothing to look forward to

    • @alundavies8402
      @alundavies8402 3 роки тому +1

      @@bluevan12 yes one other thing is how are you to buy a decent suit on bare minimum like not enough to heat up your house and eat as well

  • @yuglesstube
    @yuglesstube 2 роки тому

    This is really interesting. Great discussion.

  • @boudivv
    @boudivv 4 роки тому +6

    I don't have the language skills to describe the problems properly. However, I can come up with good solutions.
    One of my solutions: Ban universities from hiring cleaners and let professors and students clean the university themselves by means of chores.

    • @sourcescience
      @sourcescience 4 роки тому

      You want to charge kids £60000 for an education and then tell them that they have to clean up for the privilege of getting a degree? All the best. Good luck with that one Cleetus.

    • @peterrose4847
      @peterrose4847 4 роки тому

      Have you seen the way students live ? The Uni would REALLY be in the shit !

    • @boudivv
      @boudivv 4 роки тому +1

      @@peterrose4847 Or does this prove my point? ;-)

  • @joedoe783
    @joedoe783 4 роки тому +1

    I really like this interviewer. He comes in, asks a good succinct question, and then gets out of the way again quickly to let the guest speak. People could learn from this approach.

  • @tbdkuphk
    @tbdkuphk 4 роки тому +4

    Wonderful interview. Many of us 'rest of the world' people lived, and still live, a bit of our cultural life feeling like it is taken out of the British experience, but translated to our local language. That is how strong and intensive was the British influence. It always sadden me to see how the British working class was treated by its own elites - who while 'gaining the world' managed to keep their own people down. This done to an extent when in 2020 people like me, who were used to look up to Britain as a 'well governed rich superpower' actually see that it was better to be a low class/working class lad in many 2nd, or even 3rd, line countries - than in the UK!
    How ironic it is, than, that as it is now... even the upper classes wake up and see the the UK's status went down so much that even the Metropolitan London elite is no longer seen as much more than yet another bunch of rich entitled (and weak) wannabe liberals who constantly hook up to their phones, trying to catch up with the latest 'developments' of the woke movement in the US...

  • @bcfc18751
    @bcfc18751 4 роки тому

    Sharing this on Twitter. Great truthful conversation! 🙏🏼🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿✝️