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- Speak co-host James Jones joins The Herd to discuss cheap shots against Caitlin Clark in the WNBA. Plus, Colin and James weigh in on CJ Stroud saying he'd take Eli Manning's career over Aaron Rodgers' career.
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Let me borrow your pin to make the question clearer. Whose career do you want, Charles Barkley with Zero championships or Robert Horry with SEVEN!
Hearing James talk about another sport makes Keyshawn Johnson look even worst when he talks basketball. You can tell James prepares to speak and not look like he watches UA-cam Highlights before he goes on the air.
But when Keyshawn talks about football he absolutely nails it every time.
@danielmunguia8341 Right, but if you're a full-time debater and have to talk about other sports he should prepare for those topics. James said he got the list of topics the night before, did some research and spoke about them. The other day he said Tim Hardaway had been cold all post season when he had missed all playoffs due to injury. He gets called out all the time on stuff like that, not saying he doesn't know football but if football is 2 out 8 topics then he might as well just sit out those.
@@josetinoco5281 yeah in that case true but I don’t think that makes him a bad analyst though. A lot of sports analysts sound like they barely know what’s going on when they step outside their primary sport. Plus these are topics that are handed to them especially when their hype surrounding other sports at that time.
🎯 I like this take bro. He also kinda knows he probably won’t be on next season
@@jrcasteewho won’t be on?
CJ just wanted to say that winning is more important to him than stats. This was ridiculous stop overanalyzing everything...
Aaron Rodgers is the better quarterback. But it isn’t just 2 Super Bowl rings when you talk about Eli, it’s two of the greatest Super Bowl runs ever with both superbowls coming against the GOAT.
He was carried in both just like his brother was in his last
You say that like Eli carried those teams
@@SunniMerlotrephrase the question to Trent Dilferts career and Marinos career and if they pick dilfert then they’re pathetic. Consider themselves successful based on the effort of others. Being carried doesn’t mean they were good. They need to look at context. Easy to win when your defense allows less than 20 points 😂
Eli was trash 500 record tons of picks pure trash
@SunniMerlot you're either insane or a patriots fan
Eli slayed the Dragon twice
Colin talked out of the stupid Eli take in back-to-back segments
Cj said he'd take the rings, they didn't watch the podcast.
You didn’t watch podcast. He said way more than that. The man said Stafford would have 3 or 4 rings if he played with Aaron Rodgers teams 🤦🏿♂️
I think CJ’s point is that he would prefer team success with his tenure vs personal success with out being able to lift other boats.
That's EXACTLY what he was saying. He WANTS RINGS.....not PERSONAL ACCOLADES
Funny with Colin now singing praise to CJ when he clearly didnt even like CJ coming out.
He is d rider
I mean what u want him to do? Lie just cuz he was wrong on him earlier?
In 2011, Eli had one of the best Playoff runs in history.
Just like Herm Edwards said, "you play to win the game."
Most passing yards in a post season, suspect defense and offensive line. Wins a Super Bowl and gets no credit. People don’t remember that team
@@randywright7764 Both Super Bowl runs, the Giants' defense had the best points per game in the post season
It sucks tbh because this is what everyone was worried rodgers career would turn into. People will start to compare him to a quarterback who is an absolute downgrade compared from rodgers. Rodgers NEEDS to win one more atleast. People who actually watched football know that rodgers was that dude.
"That dude' that sucked when it counted. The opposite of Manning.
@@ChristopherSmithNYC How did he win one if he sucked when it counted?
@@ChristopherSmithNYCthrew 2 hail Mary’s in one postseason game vs cards. Defense never let him get the ball back in OT
@@ChristopherSmithNYC The opposite of Manning? Dude, I'm a Colts fan, and Manning's constant teeth clenching in games that counted was his major flaw.
@@ChristopherSmithNYC Go back and look at how the defense gave up on him. He throws two Hail Mary's back to back to score a TD literally at his own endzone, and the Cardinals in OT literally MARCH down the field and win the game. Against the 49ers in the early 2010s...how many times did the Defense lose out on him? Was it also Rodgers fault that Seattle was somehow able to get an onside kick, score a 2pt conversion and all on top of it as well? In 2016 Rodgers throws 3 TDs against the Falcons, however the Packers defense gives up 44 points...however I'm sure that's Rodgers fault too.
The guy had ONE Top-10 Defense in his career, and that's the ONLY year he won the Superbowl. I take nothing away from Eli, those two passes he threw in the SB will go down as arguably the greatest passes of all time, however overall as a QB, please stop. If Rodgers had that Giants D-Line...the Packers would have been a Dynasty.
The question isnt who's better? Its whose career you want? They're both going to the hall but ill take 2 SB rings and 2 SB MVPs over 1.
Eli literally is being questioned to be in the hof
@@itsmeflacko1618 By you and others, I'm sure but not amongst voters. He's going in, no question. There are only a handful of multiple time SB winners and he is one of them. He also beat Brady in both. I think Eli is trash but I'm not dumb enough to think he's not going to the HOF.
@@dkny2980 trust me I believe he should be in too but he is being questioned by voters. He'll be eligible next year so we'll see if he gets first ballot. He's had a great career but those 2 years have made people forget alot of mediocrity
@@itsmeflacko1618 he's the poster child for mediocrity. Without 2 great post seasons, I would argue he was a below average QB. However, he's one of only 2 QBs in the history of the NFL to win 2 Superbowls as a starter. You can't even really luck into that. That is rarified air for sure.
So you’re taking Dilfer over Marino?
ask james jone if he can fix the audio
James Jones is an great guest. I could listen to him all day
You have to keep in mind that CJ Stroud was only 8 years old when aaron rodgers won his ring. He probably doesn't even remember watching aaron
Colin trying so hard to diss Rodgers but James isn’t trying to hear it 😅
I’ll never forget how much Colin was hating on CJ at first.
A lot of us were and a lot of us are eating our words. People can change opinions bro
@@bobbypinkston9374 it's the fact that the hate was from nowhere and stroud literally just got hate for no reason, because it definitely wasn't his tape lol
@@graysonfoudray6121 it’s the OSU QB curse, plus he had the 3rd most skill position players on one team go top 3 rounds in CFB history. His receivers got more separation, and he had more time in the pocket than pretty much all other quarterbacks. To me, he was harder to grade than Richardson and Levis. As i said, I’m eating my words, Stroud is poised in a way I didn’t expect.
You can say the same about jordan love
Jones is right, you can’t say Eli’s name in the same sentence. Because the sentence js, what qbs have ever won multiple super bowls. You also can’t put Eli’s name in the same sentence that Rodgers cares more about himself and mvp awards than team success.
Eli Manning is literally a .500 QB lol and is never mentioned amongst the elites.
How does playing football at a very high level as a qb make you selfish and not care about winning super bowls? Eli not playing at high level is fine when you have a top 5 defense. Packers may sneak into the playoffs if Rodgers didn’t play good
🤡🤡🤡
@Benjamin-fc9ww but he is mentioned as a potential hall of famer which is absurd because as you said, he is never mentioned among the elites but because he has 2 rings, people say he should be in the hall of fame.
@@greg7964 that boy has a career passer rating of 84…. Lol he ain’t no hall of famer to me
James Jones should talk about how Eli sent him home in playoffs x2
interesting stats
Aaron: 21 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 31 Game-Winning Drives
Eli: 27 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 37 Game-Winning Drives
CJ should want Payton Career of either of these guys
Nah Peyton went out getting his 2nd ring
Why does Colin have his microphone backwards?
you guys audio volume is very low compared to ads and other videos. It needs about 4 to 5dba boost before you render the video and upload
Jones is so amazingly bias and you can’t really take him serious when he talks about Rodgers.
He put up a unbiased graphic to show u how stupid a conversation it is
@@itsmeflacko1618surprisingly he didn’t add the Super Bowls or SBMVPS 💀
So he lied because he played with Roger’s ?
@@Zzzz64zzthe fact the you will even try to say Eli is better because he has one more ring ? So Eli leading the league in turnovers until he retired? What about never winning a playoff game outside of two years ?
Eli beat Favre and Rodgers in Lambeau! That counts for something . Beat NE twice in the SB. But , yea Rodgers is better. However, I'll take Eli in a big game!
That podcast bouta make Colin a die hard stroud supporter even tho coming out he was very anti CJ as a prospect 😂 bruh im sorry but Eli was average. The giants had 2 lightning in a bottle seasons at Brady’s expense but 99% of ppl will take 1 sb, multiple MVP’s & Aaron’s physical talent. James Jones is ELITE as a broadcaster
Eli Manning average huh? 2 Super Bowls and beat one of the best teams in history the 16-0 Patriots. Ill take the rings over the MVP that chokes playoff after playoff 😂
Eli Manning has 2 Super Bowl MVP'S buddy. Moving on.
@@wilcee238 Also has more losing seasons than winning
@@itsmeflacko1618 AND? If you don't win the Super Bowl guess what? You had a losing season.
He ain't put super bowl mvps on the list lol
OMFG James Jones! This is F N CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're supposed to be a sports guy but you don't KNOW WTF you're talking about!
Eli Manning did something NO OTHER QB has done or will EVER DO JJ!
No other QB has beat Tom Brady TWICE in the biggest game of the year!!!!!!
James is one of the best guests on any show. Also my pseudo-name 🎉
Can Colin STOP talking WNBA every other segment. they suck at bball
Take a shot everytime colin says "so what you're saying is"
I see James Jones changing his tune on CC
James jones in the house!!i like it ehen he talks nba and wnba he truly knows his stuff
One thing to be physical. It’s another thing to try to purposely hurt. If Caitlin Clark tears her ACL thanks to a cheap shot…bye bye viewers!!😂
From a hip check😂😂
Female leadership will destroy this incredible opportunity with jealousy, back-biting and pettiness.
I don't get what people are getting confused about - Stroud knows damn well there's a talent and respect gap between Manning and Rogers, that's the point he's making. He is empathising that he is only interested in Superbowl success. Unlike Rogers, who is clearly more interested in his personal standing.
ELI MANNING IS A HALL OF FAMER & he talking bout the end of Eli’s career, you lame for that James
He played with Aaron Rodgers what did u expect ?
He’s not in the hall and he would be the worst hall of fame qb easily he shouldn’t get in but he will
Cam is a hall of fame. See when I say that I want you to bring cam down and bring up rings . You see that you only see Eli is a hof only because people like you like him personally . You just seen the stats
@@kleatise52noting about Eli career says hall of famer
Cam will be HoF maybe not first ballot but he will get there eventually.
More James jones🔥
Aaron rodgers was also an ALL TIME CHOKE ARTIST!
IS not only was
ARod is not clutch enough. He lost his final bowl game as a favorite and top 5 ranked team. 12-10 career nfl playoff record. 1-4 NFC Championship games.
it's amazing how many people don't know the game of football
I’ve never heard of choke artist with winning postseason record & a Ring lol
@@sage1336 it doesn't exist..
Born and raised a Packers fan, I would absolutely take Eli's career over Rodgers as well.
If you would rather have Darko's Career than Barkley's, that us insane
Might as well take Eli's career over Favre then huh
@@jasonjanisewski78darko isn't a hall of famer. You could have two hall of famers. Eli beat the Patriots 2x and one of them was the team with the perfect record. MVP Tom Brady with Moss, and Wes.
@@Joel_Aleman Eli isn't a Hall of Famer either. Eli "beat" the Patriots in the same way that Trent Dilfer "beat" the Giants. A QB only making the playoffs 6x in 16 Seasons, only 2x ever making it past Round 1, 0 MVP Votes, and 0 All Pro Teams is far from HOF.
@@jasonjanisewski78 we shall see. Lol
Incase you missed it, james has been watching wnba for YEEEARS
That's sorta a red flag
@@user-ox8ud9ys9m Lol how? It makes perfect sense actually. He clearly prefers the physicality of the WNBA over the NBA since he played football.
James lost his mind Pat over Brady 😂
Who would take Eli’s over Rodgers??? He got two super bowl wins in over Brady
Exactly I would AND Eli has an IronMan streak
And he beat Rodgers and Brady to get the second.
Eli was amazing on that run with all those times he sacked Brady. I remember Eli dominating the NE Odfensive Line lol
@jasonjanisewski78 I also remember Brady kicking field goals to win those first three Super Bowls....yeah see how that sounds?
Eli more clutch than Rodgers ever thought about being....
This why your clips are unwatchable, you don’t even start the story in the title until over half way through? Are you ok?
Tom beat Patrick twice thats what i saw with my eyes James 🙄
Ya Brady was clamping Reke and Kelce that game. Stupid talk. Brady needs a top 5 defense to be even relevant. Draft Brady to the Browns and nobody even knows who Tom Brady is.
Eli beat Brady twice
@@pseitz Bad argument. Winning as much as he did is not a fluke or chance. Brady is a team guy who has all the right intangibles that make teams great. If there is any criticism of Rodgers, it is that he lacks some of those things behind the scenes.
Using team accomplishments to boost Brady per usual. Coping with the fact that Mahomes is taking that GOAT title I see. It's just a matter of time bud.
I had no idea Tom was the one playing defense chasing Mahomes all over that field in the SB, Mahomes was playing behind the worst O-line in the history of the SB. When Mahomes had his 2 all pro tackles healthy a couple of weeks earlier especially protecting his blindside the Chiefs smoked the Bucs. Also in that AFC Championship game, Dee Ford's hands were placed OFFSIDE which NEGATED a Tom Brady INTERCEPTION that would have put the Chiefs into the SB. Tom Brady has truly lived a CHARMED Life. Btw... the Chiefs defense in that AFC game was Ranked 31st in the league all season.
James jones is awesome
Great take from James J always knows how to analyze and put things in perspective where it makes sense
Completely Agree. Eli is WACKKK compared to Aaron Rodgers
Aaron is better QB but i would take an Ironman streak and TWO rings vs Brady despite a barely .500 all time record
Never knew jones was such a basketball head. I appreciate his takes
Mad disrespectful to eli. Not necessary.
With all due respect Aaron Rogers is a choke artist
So is Eli
I would rather have Eli Manning's career
Apparently cheap shots are ok in wnba
Rodgers has had a top 10 defense 9 times 😭James talking about “ the one time he had a top 10 defense he won a sb” 😭😭 capppppp
Caitlin and Paige would be insane, but I'm here for it ngl
The Eli slandering is ridiculous
He’s had a top 10 defense more than once
He’s talking about when it’s all said and done he would rather have two rings than one. Aaron Rodgers never beat the go in the Super Bowl, Eli did it twice. You cannot write the NFL history books without Eli Manning‘s championship wins on how much they affected the patriots dynasty.
Would you please fix the audio?
Wildes is the only person who hasn't been on Herd's show😅. I think Nick's son will make it on before him at this rate
James' graphic left out the post season record
You cant mention Dan Marino in the same sentence as Eli but I'd take Eli mannings career over Marino.
You’re a clown 🤡 you can take overrated Eli 2 rings and his average to below average nfl record of .500 winning percentage like a sore thumb 👍. I’ll take Dan the Man the all pro career top 5 quarterback of all time over lousy quarterback in New York
The debate isn’t who is the better QB? The debate is which QB’s career would you rather (from the perspective of a QB)? If I was a QB, a Super Bowl is worth 5 MVP’s. To be able to say that you beat the GOAT, not once, but twice! That’s epic! No one’s say Eli’s a better QB, but regardless of talent, Eli has the better legacy. Or at least that’s what the question is, and most QB’s would answer it the same way
If the WNBA is "so physical", then why is Clark being called for the softest ticky-tack fouls? Why is her grazing someone being the same call as being body checked by someone else? These are all haters. Players, refs, etc.
Stop with the over sensitivity, if you’re a fan of CC all this crying online isn’t helping her perception.
As of a week ago, she drew the 3rd most fouls in the WNBA, stop this nonsense
Jones with a sorry a** take. Lmao, that is an awful statement to make. Yes, don’t ever mention Eli and Rodger’s in the same sentence. Rodger’s isn’t even close to worthy enough to be mentioned with Eli.
If Eli had 4 or 5 rings to Rodgers 1 then that would make sense to pick Eli.
Im pretty sure this is the first Rodgers take that i agree with cowherd... 🤯 and he kept it real about eli, that nyg defense was the reason they won those SB. If eli was the reason, he would have missed the playoffs 10 times in 16 years
I think It was less about the stats and more about the defeating and undefeated team and Tom Brady in the super bowl 2 for two
45 seconds in and this fool is saying the WNBA is more physical than the NBA...?? 😂😂 Any credibility you may have had before that sentence....you done lost that my guy. I'm out
Change the WNBA
Eli has 2 chips against the goats ( coaching and qb), spent his entire career with one team, and in NY at that, and made over $200 million just on the field... 😂. Eli by a long shot
I'm still not watching the WNBA...
Buck here…CJ wanting to beat Tom Brady (UoM) in a Super Bowl twice is totally understandable since he never beat them in college. That’s simple thinking to me…
JJ RIDES for Rodgers. Wonder if Rodgers rides for JJ. My guess is no. He was on Speak talking about he should be in the GOAT convo
Eli Manning is a 2X Super bowl MVP. How are you a situational qb with that accolade in each of his runs
Why not just have Cj strouds career??
He is insightful on the WNBA.
Eli is universally beloved I think he was speaking more to that
James knows what he’s talking about. I started following the wnba a ton the last 5-6 yrs. The best players still get the isht knocked out of them nightly. It’s like the 80s or 90s physicality.
Colin and James missed out on a HUGE point about the WNBA. Yes, lots of talented bigs. Yes, it's physical and scrappy. BUT THERE ARE SHIFTY, SAUCY, ATHLETIC, INCREDIBLY SKILLED players too! That's just as much part of the identity. They made it seem like its womens UFC and 90s NBA rugged basketball lol there's plenty of finesse and craft too.
See: Arike Ogunbowale, Jewell Loyd, Chelsea Gray, Rhyne Howard..... just for starters
We ignoring that Eli also beat Aaron head to head en route to the ‘11-‘12 SB trip?? If we’re gonna compare we have to go full picture here 😂
James was on the team that lost! Like cmon man 😭💀 I know you can’t be impartial when it comes to your guy but sheesh
This debate between Rogers and Eli is so dumb and these people seem to have no understanding of the augment. The debate isn’t who has better regular season stats and individual awards. That’s obviously Rodgers. No one will debate that. The argument is do you want a HOF career but with only 1 ring, or be mediocre but have 2 rings. It doesn’t matter who the two QBs being compared to are.
What do all Rodgers numbers mean if he can’t win a home championship game?? And Eli beat him head to head. Betting against Rodgers in the playoffs is always a good bet, that’s should tell you it’s not all about the numbers.
The Caitlin clark thing is soo stupid. It’s not chippy play or PhYsIcALItY, that was just straight up gooning. That’s not allowed in the WNBA or NBA (unless your name is draymond)
it sounds like aaron rodgers should had left green bay earlier
James also said he'd take Breanna Stewert as the NCAAWB GOAT because she has 4 championships compared to Caitlin Clark's Zero... He's being selective. AND BTW he said Odell was the player who said that "He's not 12" comment on Speak, MONTHS AGO
CJ doesn’t care about anything more than his teammates winning. Not awards. That’s why he said that. Proud to be a Texans fan. And Danielle Hunter is a monsterrr
I don’t blame CJ I’d take 2 rings over 1
How about $252 million over $342 million?
Bill Russell have 11 rings to Jordan’s 6. By your logic you pick bill Russell correct?
@@wblake22 was thinking the same thing. Great comment!! 🙏🏻
Yeah no, I'll take the 4 MVPs and 1 SB over 2 SBs and leading the league in INTs 3 times.
youd take trent dilfers career over marinos? yeah right
This is a horrible take from both of them, Stroud was saying he would rather have elis career because its about winning it all. He never said eli was better than rodgers. Everyones twisting this
Nick foles got a Super Bowl, Jimmy G almost won one but only 13 Quarterbacks in history won 2 or more super bowls, I‘m sorry give me Eli Manning‘s career
Attention everyone...SUPERBOWLS IS A TEAM STAT. Eli had multiple HOFers on defense. A fluke play got him his first one...this conversation is so dumb
Anybody remember a couple months ago when Colin posed this same question and said he'd rather have Eli's career? Just saying
So the WNBA has played a certain way since its inception and they’ve been losing money every year and have had low viewership. Now you get a generational talent to bring in revenue and eyeballs… maybe it is time to change the game.
Eli was an all time clutch player who won 2 Super Bowls vs the GOAT. While Rodgers has 4 MVPs and 1 SB win. Eli was never in any kind of MVP conversations, he also led the league in interceptions multiple times. Both had legendary careers but Rodgers will definitely be rated higher all time than Eli even though Eli won another SB.
You cannot adapt the cheap shots genius
Please stop saying this is how the wnba is, make a damn change so we can keep the only money maker we have ever had healthy
I’ll take Eli! When they went head to head what happened?
Yes you can’t mention Eli in the same sentence as Rodgers because Eli has TWO rings. AR is a stats champ
So only the ring thing because you didn’t bring up any QB stat . You brought up a team thing , so what makes him outside of everybody around him ?
Darko has 1 Ring and Barkley has 0. Only the insane would rather be Darko
James jones has had a lot of experience on the losing end to Eli Manning
If you add all the damn fumbles Eli lost as well. He has more turnovers than touchdowns
Eli didn’t have the same WR as Aaron rogers the same oL so it’s not like Roger’s had no help