Now this is how to do an instructive video. Quick and smooth, right to the point and great pacing of speech. No annoying um's or up talking and clear examples. Nice job.
I've bowhunted for 30years. In my opinion the whisker biscuit is the best hunting rest of all time. If I was a target shooter I would shoot a drop away. I just like the simplicity and reliability of the whisker biscuit for hunting.
I just ordered a new bow from the shop. I have had a W/B since they came out. I was considering a drop away... But why? No moving parts on the W/B and if something has moving parts... It will fail.
The Whisker Biscuit is hands downs the best rest. Simple setup and tunes in 2-3 shots every time. I’ve used them at 3D shoots and absolutely drilled the targets out to 80 yds
I don't think people should question if this dude hunts or not. He is informing about the different rest out on the market, it's good information. Someone that takes the time to inform you about different products shouldn't be questioned on how far he shoots or if he even hunts. I have been hunting with a bow for a long time I prefer a drop away rest if you've been hunting since your teens and now in your mid 50 you should understand that products now days are better made. Great job on your video covered rest on point
Nice video. I have a Darton bow for about 25 years now, and I cannot believe how much the equipment has changed over the years. I just upgraded to a scope site, with fiber optic pins. I want to up grade my rest also, but couldn’t decide which style to choose. I think I’m going with the biscuit. Thanks again.
Went from whisker biscuit to drop away. I found with all the shooting I was doing is the whisker biscuit was causing my arrow shafts to get rough and the vanes to start curling. The QAD gives me full containment and never had an issue
I had a biscuit on a bow when they first came out. Drew on a deer that was about 15yds. The sound of the arrow against the whiskers as I drew was so audible he busted me instantly. Never used one since.
I'm just getting into bow hunting and this video was a huge help in aiding me in making a decision on which type of rest to get or recommend to a friend that is just getting into bow hunting. Thank you!!
I'm 12 months into archery and i started with a biscuit on a Reezen. I can shoot reasonably well with a biscuit, but I've recently upgraded to a v3x with a epsilon. Straight off the bat i can see why so much vane contact might be a bad idea . I don't have vanes flying off at random anymore and am much more accurate at 70m now. I can see a place for both and some of my arrow builds shood up to the friction without failing, but the shooting experience i have now is much more enjoyable and consistent. I still have a long way to go but feel as though I'm off to a good start. Thank you very much for the videos, what I've achieved in 12 months would've taken me years once upon a time and for that, I'm very grateful.
You know your stuff. Your mother and I are cousins went to high school together. Your grandfather is one of the best archers in Pennsylvania in his \day. Great to see the passion you have for the sport. Keep it up.
I use a hostage rest, but have been considering a drop away. One thing I haven't seen anyone mention in the comments is sound.. although it may sound trivial, the sound of an arrow being drawn across a full containment rest is something to consider. Especially in the colder months when the air is less dense and sound travels more freely. I only mention this because this past weekend I drew on a nice eight point that was walking by at about 15 yards and the sound made him pause right behind a tree. I held on him as long as I could but eventually had to let down and again the sound spooked him. He ran 30 yards away, snorted profusely in my direction and eventually walked off. In my experience this indicates he neither saw nor smelled me, but the sound is what caught his attention. Whitetail deer have 6 times more powerful hearing than you or I. There's my two cents..
I just bought a bow hoping to use it this fall on whitetails. I've hunted with a crossbow for over 30 years and would like to take a buck with a compound before I get too old. The bow came with a biscuit rest, and after watching several videos, I believe I'm going to stick with it. Primarily because of the simplicity of it. I've mastered deer hunting with a gun and crossbow, but a compound is a whole different animal. The less that can go wrong the better. Thanks for the excellent video and information.
Just getting back into archery. I used to shoot as a teenager and I liked it but got distracted by many other things. I have two bows now, and found that the local bow guy is backed up for months.... my area needs another bow guy and I plan to be him! Starting my crash course today. I'm a general handy man, and I can fix almost anything around the house from lawn mowers to plumbing, electrical to carpentry and more.... I'm ready for a new skill.
Great video! My son and I took up archery almost a year ago (a year in March) I have considered a drop away but, as a maintenance mechanic, I was always shy of potential failure. This video seals it for me. I will keep my Whisker Biscuit. I will get a nicer one but I have been happy with the performance. The brushes on my hostage are showing significant wear now so, its time to replace the rest that came on the bow. Next upgrade will be string.
Thanks for this. I just bought my first bow today. It came with a drop away, so I'm happy about that. I'm video bingeing, trying to learn all I can about this new-found love of mine.
i have a mathews with a trophy ridge whisker biscuit. it absolutely loves eating fletchings off gold tip hunter arrows. this year i decided to "trim" the whiskers up like the one you had on hand there, seems to be a bit better, might get more aggressive with my trimming now that i know its a viable option seeing that they manufacture them like that. thanks pal
Nice video. Well thought out explanation. I currently shoot whisker biscuit for simplicity and the fact that 90% of the shots I take are less than 40 yards. However I do practice out to 80. I think accuracy is more on me than the rest...
Very helpful... I’m new into archery (I love it) and I’m almost 40 year old😱... so I guess it’s never too late for a semi old gun guy to learn a new trade..
everyone wanting more speed. Meanwhile I'm tryna figure out whats the heaviest arrow and field tip I can possibly launch accurately. I think I've made a mortar-bow lol...
I'm brand new (and LATE - ie, I'm 55) to archery/bow hunting, and I gotta say, it's kind of a new feeling to be learning something from the younger generation that knows more than I do about something! ;-) I had a buddy help me sight and use the peep sight, and once I saw that you can actually shoot with accuracy, well, all I can say is that I've taken to this with the same zeal and drive that has propelled me through a 35 year career as a software developer. Thanks, young man! (I feel strange just saying that! haha)
I have been bow hunting for 10 years, and have used a whisker biscuit rest. I have always had a problem with my broad heads (fixed/mechanical) shooting high and left at 20 yards my hunting arrows are completely off target at 30 yards. I switched to a hostage style test retuned the center shot and my broad heads not shoot within 2 inches of my practice arrows from 20 yards out to 40 yards. I believe the fletch deflection as the fletching pass thru the whisker biscuit causes the broad heads to plane of of true center and the fletching cannot correct the off center flight path I have tried different fletching styles with slightly better results, but the biggest and best results came when I changed to the hostage rest
This explains why I was splitting arrows at 40 yards with the WB, but at 80 yards, my groupings opened up exponentially! Hunting in the woods, I've only shot past 40 yards twice and there are many reasons to not do that while hunting whitetail deer. I think for tournaments and competition shooting, the drop away is probably a better test to use, however, when hunting beasts of the field, the WB (style) rest is way more practical and, like you said, less likely to fail.
I just had my ripcord drop away freeze up while shooting at a nice buck last week. (Never dropped) First time it has ever failed me. I will be switching to a whisker biscuit next year.
I haven't picked up a compound bow in 10 years until I recently. I got a new bow with a drop away rest and as an adult I find it fun having to tune everything.
Another thing you have to consider is movement of the bow before the arrow leaves the rest. With a whisker biscuit, if you flinch or move your bow as you shoot, the arrow will also move and not have a straight flight since it is attached to the bow until the arrow fully leaves the rest. With a drop away, the arrow almost immediately becomes free flying, making any movement of the bow before the arrow leaves the rest a non-issue.
I watched your video a couple of times and purchased one. I think this will help my hunting better this spring. I bought a bow used and wanted bring it more up to date and improve the accuracy
At the beginning of the video, you show a Hostage rest and talk about the pro's and cons of the Whisker Biscuit (two very different things). A hostage (with a properly tuned arrow) never contacts the fletching so, the contact is much less. I understand the shaft will flex upon release and come in contact with the Hostage rest and the drop away doesn't ever touch. I would be interested in seeing you shoot the same arrow on the same bow through all three rests, with a chronograph, and a paper tune. This scientific data would give us accurate information by which we could make a decision. Good video.
Watched 3/3/2014 I've used a full whisker biscuit for 25 years and harvested too many to count. I shoot from 12 to 36 yards top . With a mathews solo cam 32. I'm very pleased with it. The new bows are just out of my price range, once you add all the bells and whistles.
I've kicked it around in my head the pros and cons of each type of rest. Until now I've only used a whisker biscuit or full containment rest. I practice very often. Over time my tests show signs of wearing due to friction of the arrow shafts and contact with the fletching. Replacement brushes are relatively cheap and easy to install. However, I never skip tuning. I recently installed a decent drop away rest to see if I would like it... pro, I like the total lack of arrow contact when I loose. Con, too many points of potential failures. Having said that, I'm going to continue using the drop away rest a bit longer. By the time I decide which is preferred, deer season will be here.
I love the whisker biscuit as the primary for hunting. I agree that for target shooting the drop away is the better choice. but recent videos have shown that the speed difference is minimal. If your trying to hit and aspirin at 50 yards a more expensive rest may be in order.
Never had any issues with the whisker biscuit, always reliable, quiet and accurate. Shot plenty of deer and a bull elk at 40 yards this Sep. and the arrow went straight through him, plenty of speed with 70lb draw.
Hello Jack. I am watching this older video because I am going away from a Hamskea dropaway and returning to a whisker biscuit on both my bows, although I am going with the V-Max WB. Two reasons: 1) a friend challenged me to try test the reduced speed theory for myself, thand changing the Hamskea out for the regular whisker biscuit averaged between 1 - 2 fps. That is not enough for me to triple my expense from a V-Max to a Hamskea drop away, or even a rip-cord or QAD. 2) This year when picking my bow up off the hook it was hanging on caused the arrow to bounce in the rest and make a noise, and spooked the deer. Now part of that was human error - my anxious/quick movement caused the arrow to jump, not the rest - but if it ere in the biscuit and held securely still that wouldn't have happened. My equipment would have helped mask my quicker than necessary movement that created the noise. And, as you pointed out in the video, there is less mechanical movement (none) to fail; so, the WB helps protect against Murphy's law by eliminating a couple of things that can -- and at some point will for someone -- go wrong. Thanks for your videos.
I shoot a whisker and have had no issues so far, but am admit to being a novice shooter. I too feel that if the shooter gets the basics down first then other ways of holding the arrow are preference oriented more than real or perceived advantages. good video explaining the differences though.
Indeed it's just preference. I use the nap quicktune and cartel midas ii rests. They are blade rests which are like drop always but without having to tie them in to the bow. They run on a spring instead of a cable.
Dude...you need to open your own pro shop. You are by far the most well spoken and informed archer I have come across. I would drive from Fl to just have you work on my bow. Hate the fact you’re a Pittsburgh penguin fan..but hey..nobody is perfect ;-)
I had a very good drop away on my Hoyt...not any more. Two Reason's ---1st arrow falls off rest it can at times not re-center itself. ---2nd When it does fall off it's rest the arrow makes enough noise to spook a close deer. I went to a Wisker Biscuit ---my Hoyt Pro Hawk delivers 305 fps with 60 lbs @ 29 inches --arrow impact at 70 yds is about 1.3 seconds. Targets and shooting area are on uneven ground and @ 70 yds I have a grouping of 5 to 6 inches.
And... Subscribed. I'm new to archery, but have always been fascinated with it. I'll be getting a compound bow soon, so your channel has really helped me learn. I'm a pre teen btw. My dad knows a lot about bows, but never used /knows much about the whisker biscuit. So this video is really helpful. Thanks, and keep doing what you're doing!
Great video, I just opened up the box and removed the Vertix I won at RMEF. Been using a WB for several years and consideration of a drop away on the new bow brought me here. No real reason to change and this video backs that up!
I had been using a full brush Whisker biscuit but changed to a 3 brush Hostage type, I've just ordered an NAP Apache so it'll be interesting to see if I notice a difference. Thanks for sharing your knowledge, look forward to more God willing.
R Mac Last Season I used G5 Halo, worked great until it sleeted and snowed, the brushes froze up and actually froze around my arrow, I switched to NAP Apache..zero issues or problems
Just got back into bow hunting this year - out of the game since the early 90's. Got a drop away rest (Ripcord Ace - $99...) and really liked the performance and long range accuracy I've been working on. After a fair bit of practice shooting, at least a couple thousand arrows, I lost a deer with the first shot that mattered because the string frayed inside the rest and it didn't drop - 2 feet high at 20 yards. I'm considering going for a whisker biscuit during hunting season and using a drop away for the rest of the year; I'm not taking 80 yards shots at deer anyway.
Great explanation, I'm new to archery and there is way more choice in a lot of this stuff than I thought there would be. Thanks for talking through that in a way even a newbie like me can get his head wrapped around. Only problem is your choice of sweatshirt, go Hawkeyes!
We PSU fans owe you Hawkeyes a debt of thanks for knocking out Michigan from Rose Bowl contention with your win last year. :) We'll just have to settle our differences on the wrestling mat in a couple of weeks in Carver Arena! But in all seriousness I'm glad that I could be of help! If you ever have any further questions never hesitate to ask them. God bless.
I switched from a Savage prong arrow rest with teflon arms to a QAD HDX in 2014. I really like the QAD rest. It's super quiet when you draw back, & I have never encountered a dropping issue. I'd rather go back to a two prong rest than shoot a Whisker Biscuit. When I started shooting a drop away, I also switched from feathers to blazers. The main feature of a good rest is clearing the fletchings on release!
I switched from a whisker biscuit to a QAD drop away and I’m hitting at least 6-8 inches high at 50-60 yards. Not to mention, had trouble getting fixed blade broadheads to shoot straight and they shoot like darts now with no change other than my rest. Also with the whisker biscuit and heavier arrows (north of 500 grains) my shafts fall through the whisker biscuit all the time. I like my QAD and wouldn’t switch back
Good job explaining the difference between them. The only thing I don't hear you talk about is the amount of noise difference. I tried the whisker biscuit many years ago when they first came out. I had been shooting deer at point blank range for a long time, and any noise is critical to getting a shot. I noticed the noise the whisker biscuit makes when the arrow pulls through it during the drawing of the bow. When a deer is within 15 yard and closer range, they can definitely hear that dragging noise through the biscuit. No doubt about it.
I'm a fan of Whisker Biscuits. I put them on my kid's bows, and my recurve. They are so easy to use. I use them for bow fishing. My hunting compound has a QAD drop away. I find the drop away provides a slight accuracy advantage, which is great 3D shooting, but I don't think it's significant enough to make a difference for hunting.
one thing you did not mention is this, a whisker biscuit for hunting is better because it contains your arrow when moving and does not make noise like a drop away will do
I use a happy medium. I have a spring loaded drop away. It holds the arrow by 2 small points and has clearance for the odd fletching. If the arrow does hit it for any reason it will easily move out of the way but on a normal shot it barely contacts the arrow.
This was an interesting video....Thanks...I'm in my mid 50's, been bow hunting since I was in my teens. Lost track of how many animals I've taken with my Bows over the years but it's in the triple digits somewhere...I come from the Flipper Rest generation and I have tried them all...And I mean all of them......I shoot to hunt. When I tried the Dropaway's, all I had was tuning issues. Not to mention a drop away rest will not keep the arrow on the rest if you cant or slant the bow.. Simply cannot beat Whisker Biscuit's for arrow security, durability, consistency & reliability & affordability. Something you don't talk about here is keeping the arrow in a shooting position while stalking or moving through tall grass or brush..(which makes me wonder if you actually hunt)...That is where full capture rests like the Biscuit really shine....Personally, 40 yards is my absolute maximum with most of my real world kill shots coming in between 10 & 25 yards. I shoot heavy arrows & heavy broadheads (over 600 grains) ... Again, the Biscuit wins..If you are truly worried about speed, (I'm not because I took the time to actually learn how to shoot a bow)...you can trim the Biscuit with a pair of scissors or nail clippers and minimize arrow bristle contact. IMHO...One of the major problems with modern archers & archery is that you guys keep trying to turn your bows into a rifle. Learn how to shoot and velocity becomes a non issue. Arrows kill with momentum which is about mass & inertia not speed...
Fireworxs2012 thank you! I've seen many videos criticizing the whisker biscuit for slowing the arrow by a few feet per second. especially at 40 yds or longer. In my case I also shoot to hunt and only practice out to 35 yards being that most of my shooting lanes are under 30 where I hunt. my biscuit will be just as deadly at 20 yards as any 100+ dollar fall away rest.
+aj7861 1 when you mention the $100+ drop away rests, whisker biscuit rests are far cheaper. I've seen whisker biscuits go for $12 on eBay and the rest I bought from the local outdoor shop cost me $30.
I've only been deer hunting for a few years and took my first deer with a whisker biscuit on. I practiced with it and never had a problem with grouping or sending arrows deep into my target. The one thing that made me switch to a drop away rest is my whisker biscuit was not silent. Never noticed it until I drew back on my first doe and a screech noise came from my bow. Wasn't sure exactly what it was until it happened again a few days later on another doe. What I've read, some will make the noise on your arrows and others don't. If I had one that didn't scratch against my arrows, I'd still have it on my bow.
Fireworxs2012 : Thank you so much on the whisker biscuit. The flipper spring went bad on mine and you helped me decide on what to buy. Again thanks. Sometimes it's better to go to the comments section to get advice.😀😉
The whisker biscuit and hostage are great arrow rests but they don't work for all arrows. Arrows that have 4 vanes or have a heavy helical to the vanes, tend to have issues with those rests. And some people swear by fobs. I have never used a fob but I am looking into them. Those arrows mentioned have to be shot out of a drop away rest. So that is another pro for a drop away rest. Another con for a drop away rest would be noise. Not all drop away rests have much noise but some do. As far as tieing in a drop away rest, it can be done without a bow press using a football that attaches to your cables. However, the football has been known to slip on strings that are waxed regularly. To prevent that you can serve a section of your cable an attach the football to the served section. Or serve the cable above the football to prevent slipping. I just used a press and tied my cable in.
I hunt with powder and led. As a vet and being way too close to thunder too many times, I to my knowledge have never shot a compound bow. That said I have been curious about the function of this Whisker subject for a while, I didn't even know what it was called. The last time I almost shot a bow, my friend and I took both of us and all of our strength just to attach the string to his WWII combat marine fathers not compound 100 and something pound straight bow 45 years ago. Both of us are/were pretty strong and lifters and neither of us could even pull the string back to fire the arrow. His dad was an avid hunter and best "hunter" with a shotgun slug I ever met, he could track on foot and down several deer every season. Never saw him shoot the bow however, he always came back with deer every bow season. He had beagles, the rabbits, and squirrels didn't have a chance. After trying to string that bow I turned to powder and lead in all forms of firearms, always remembering that day. Thank you for your very well presented objective education on bows.
I was gifted/loaned a QAD drop away that you can put the arrow in, then prop the rest up and when you shoot it drops away on it's own. Doesn't need to be tied into the servings at all, it's pretty impressive.
Couple things you didn't mention. A major difference between a whisker biscuit and a hostage rest is that the brushes on most hostage tests are replaceable. Also, improper installment off the drop cord on a drop away rest by even a fraction of an inch can affect your let off.
The problem with the three brush rest is several of my vanes have slight deviations and occasionally knick one of the brush blocks, "kicking" the torjectory off.
I will agree on all that's been presented and the arguments out there for newer, sexier and efficient technology BUT I'm an average hunter shooting an average Bear bow of about 14 years with a W. Biscuit. Been bringing home trophies and meat for the last .... lets see ..... 10 years .... took me the first 4 years to learn "hunting" and was meager pickings till then. It's great to learn all these important technical facts BUT put yourself in the proper wind on the right day, if the wind isn't right for that stand hunt another or don't hunt at all, scent control, scent control and scent control and practice shooting as much as possible and know a deers anatomy inside out (pun not intended), know and mood of a deer and when it's nervous enough to jump the string learn how low to hold (seen a deer that's just walked up to me "jump the string"/ duck 14", having held on the brisket I spined it, slow mo Gopro footage was awesome) When you put an arrow perfectly in the boiler room it's a short tracking job or no tracking at all. I am very thankful that the info presented above is there as I'm educated by it. My 2 cents worth above is not for you Pro's out there but for the novice younger hunter in danger of getting hung up on technicalities MORE than the art and science of hunting itself. Good luck, god blew and practice !!!! Peace out !!!
My new bow came with wisker biscuit. I didn't like the way it brushes against my fletchings so I switched to hostage that was on my broken bow. Boy that hostage is 9 years old and still holds up well
I shoot a WB...HOWEVER there IS a big difference between it and the HOSTAGE. The HOSTAGE contacts the shaft, but not much. It doesn't contact the fletch. I've tried the HOSTAGE and it actually wore the brushes down fairly soon, to the point I had to shim them with matchbook cardboard. Perhaps a Hostage style knockoff would be made with lesser materials there, but a roll of the dice would suggest they could actually be better. I'm sure a chrono would show exact nano-seconds of difference in speed, but the deer I've shot wouldn't have been able to dodge an arrow moving at that speed. And tho I'm happy with the full-brush containment performance of the WB on my 1st Gen SB1, I'm now considering an Amazon special Hostage style you mentioned - just out of curiosity... thanks!
Excellent review. For the average archer/hunter the decision is easy. Quicker all the way. BUT... if you are a serious tournament shooter or pro the Drop Away is winner hands down. The accuracy down range at anything beyond 40 (as mentioned) will suffer if the arrow is in contact with anything after you release. Hence , the original reason for developing the drop away. Most bow hunters shoot at deer at or around 15-25 yards. They will never see the difference in accuracy. Drop away for them is just one more thing to tune and eventually go wrong. Good hunting my brothers. Always stay calm and pick a spot.
I’ll stick with my Trophy Ridge Quick Shot Whisker Biscuit that came with my bow! Plus accuracy isn’t affected I only shoot 30” or less & get same groups every time it also depends on if your bows tuned as well! Great video very good info!
3 years after uploading and this guy still goes around giving hearts to commenters. What a madlad
nice
more like he’s hearting them cause this is his most popular video
Now this is how to do an instructive video. Quick and smooth, right to the point and great pacing of speech. No annoying um's or up talking and clear examples. Nice job.
Sticking with my whiskerbiscut.
Lighter and very reliable.
I've bowhunted for 30years. In my opinion the whisker biscuit is the best hunting rest of all time. If I was a target shooter I would shoot a drop away. I just like the simplicity and reliability of the whisker biscuit for hunting.
its a walmart block target but pretty good. i will try paper thing but dont know how yet. hopefully my pro shop guy will help
Unless you live in a place where the whisker biscuit can get wet and then freeze.
drop rest allows arrow to move around and make noise, also does make a scraping sound while drawing the bow for a shot. i like whisker biscuit
they make waterproofing to prevent freezing works on feather fletching as well as vanes and arrows water cant freeze to surfaces
Orlando Pockets what do you think 🤔
Fewer points of failure is what I go for. It all comes down to practicing with what you have. Good job on the video.
Couldn't agree more!
I just ordered a new bow from the shop. I have had a W/B since they came out. I was considering a drop away... But why? No moving parts on the W/B and if something has moving parts... It will fail.
@@pensnut08 I just had my QAD fail.
Been a biscuit hunter since they came out. This year, new bow, drop away rest, absolutely love it!!
This is probably the best video on the web,about rests.
This was great. My wife and I are getting back into it from the 90's. So much has changed.
I am 54 just getting back into the bow scene . So much has changed . Thanks you did a great job helping me .
The Whisker Biscuit is hands downs the best rest. Simple setup and tunes in 2-3 shots every time. I’ve used them at 3D shoots and absolutely drilled the targets out to 80 yds
I don't think people should question if this dude hunts or not. He is informing about the different rest out on the market, it's good information. Someone that takes the time to inform you about different products shouldn't be questioned on how far he shoots or if he even hunts. I have been hunting with a bow for a long time I prefer a drop away rest if you've been hunting since your teens and now in your mid 50 you should understand that products now days are better made. Great job on your video covered rest on point
He's young. Does not have the decades of experience many of us have.
Nice video. I have a Darton bow for about 25 years now, and I cannot believe how much the equipment has changed over the years. I just upgraded to a scope site, with fiber optic pins. I want to up grade my rest also, but couldn’t decide which style to choose. I think I’m going with the biscuit. Thanks again.
Went from whisker biscuit to drop away. I found with all the shooting I was doing is the whisker biscuit was causing my arrow shafts to get rough and the vanes to start curling. The QAD gives me full containment and never had an issue
I had a biscuit on a bow when they first came out. Drew on a deer that was about 15yds. The sound of the arrow against the whiskers as I drew was so audible he busted me instantly. Never used one since.
Are you sure it wasn't your sleeve from your coat? A touch of scent free silicone does the trick
@@steveball9094 I am 100% sure
I'm just getting into bow hunting and this video was a huge help in aiding me in making a decision on which type of rest to get or recommend to a friend that is just getting into bow hunting. Thank you!!
Love my whisker biscuit. I’m just a hunter been using the same one since 2011. Great reliable rest fail proof.
I'm 12 months into archery and i started with a biscuit on a Reezen. I can shoot reasonably well with a biscuit, but I've recently upgraded to a v3x with a epsilon. Straight off the bat i can see why so much vane contact might be a bad idea . I don't have vanes flying off at random anymore and am much more accurate at 70m now. I can see a place for both and some of my arrow builds shood up to the friction without failing, but the shooting experience i have now is much more enjoyable and consistent. I still have a long way to go but feel as though I'm off to a good start. Thank you very much for the videos, what I've achieved in 12 months would've taken me years once upon a time and for that, I'm very grateful.
Great content and delivery. as many have already mentioned I'm new to the whole archery thing and find your vids very helpful.
You know your stuff. Your mother and I are cousins went to high school together. Your grandfather is one of the best archers in Pennsylvania in his \day. Great to see the passion you have for the sport. Keep it up.
I use a hostage rest, but have been considering a drop away. One thing I haven't seen anyone mention in the comments is sound.. although it may sound trivial, the sound of an arrow being drawn across a full containment rest is something to consider. Especially in the colder months when the air is less dense and sound travels more freely. I only mention this because this past weekend I drew on a nice eight point that was walking by at about 15 yards and the sound made him pause right behind a tree. I held on him as long as I could but eventually had to let down and again the sound spooked him. He ran 30 yards away, snorted profusely in my direction and eventually walked off. In my experience this indicates he neither saw nor smelled me, but the sound is what caught his attention. Whitetail deer have 6 times more powerful hearing than you or I. There's my two cents..
Most drop away rests come with moleskin to take away that sound
EXCELLENT in every respect. Clear, articulate delivery. Love the emphasis on common sense and cost.
Chris Cornell Thanks so much! God bless.
I just bought a bow hoping to use it this fall on whitetails. I've hunted with a crossbow for over 30 years and would like to take a buck with a compound before I get too old. The bow came with a biscuit rest, and after watching several videos, I believe I'm going to stick with it. Primarily because of the simplicity of it. I've mastered deer hunting with a gun and crossbow, but a compound is a whole different animal. The less that can go wrong the better. Thanks for the excellent video and information.
Just getting back into archery. I used to shoot as a teenager and I liked it but got distracted by many other things. I have two bows now, and found that the local bow guy is backed up for months.... my area needs another bow guy and I plan to be him! Starting my crash course today. I'm a general handy man, and I can fix almost anything around the house from lawn mowers to plumbing, electrical to carpentry and more.... I'm ready for a new skill.
I have a whisker brisket myself. I just started its great and the info was awesome. Thankyou
Lol whisker brisket 😂. I know what you meant, but it was funny reading that. Good luck hunting this year! I’m ready for season to start 👍🏻🤘🏻🙌🏻
Ive used a whisker biscuit forever and its never let me down ive shot up to 80 meters with 6” grouping
Great video! My son and I took up archery almost a year ago (a year in March) I have considered a drop away but, as a maintenance mechanic, I was always shy of potential failure. This video seals it for me. I will keep my Whisker Biscuit. I will get a nicer one but I have been happy with the performance. The brushes on my hostage are showing significant wear now so, its time to replace the rest that came on the bow. Next upgrade will be string.
Backyard Archer Glad I was able to help solidify your decision! Happy shooting!
If it's an actual "Whisker Bisquit" by Trophy Ridge, they sell just the replacement brush cartridge. Not sure on the other brands though...
Lololol. I just realized you wrote that a year ago... Nevermind..
Thanks for this. I just bought my first bow today. It came with a drop away, so I'm happy about that. I'm video bingeing, trying to learn all I can about this new-found love of mine.
Was not expecting this level of professionalism from this video. Great job 👍👍
i have a mathews with a trophy ridge whisker biscuit. it absolutely loves eating fletchings off gold tip hunter arrows. this year i decided to "trim" the whiskers up like the one you had on hand there, seems to be a bit better, might get more aggressive with my trimming now that i know its a viable option seeing that they manufacture them like that. thanks pal
Nice video. Well thought out explanation. I currently shoot whisker biscuit for simplicity and the fact that 90% of the shots I take are less than 40 yards. However I do practice out to 80. I think accuracy is more on me than the rest...
Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video! Well done,
These videos are so well made and informative. He's to-the-point and well-spoken.
Very helpful... I’m new into archery (I love it) and I’m almost 40 year old😱... so I guess it’s never too late for a semi old gun guy to learn a new trade..
New to bows and I am currently borrowing a friends bow. Great video which is helping me, subscribed.
everyone wanting more speed. Meanwhile I'm tryna figure out whats the heaviest arrow and field tip I can possibly launch accurately. I think I've made a mortar-bow lol...
im just over here trying to have the best of both worlds
Sean McVay from Sean’s Outdoor adventures , has a great video on Heavy Shaft w/ heavy F.O.C. Vs. well tuned bow. Worth checking out.
Same
Same best of both worlds.
Very good commentary. You did a excellent job in presenting the pros and cons. Thank you.
I'm brand new (and LATE - ie, I'm 55) to archery/bow hunting, and I gotta say, it's kind of a new feeling to be learning something from the younger generation that knows more than I do about something! ;-) I had a buddy help me sight and use the peep sight, and once I saw that you can actually shoot with accuracy, well, all I can say is that I've taken to this with the same zeal and drive that has propelled me through a 35 year career as a software developer. Thanks, young man! (I feel strange just saying that! haha)
I have been bow hunting for 10 years, and have used a whisker biscuit rest. I have always had a problem with my broad heads (fixed/mechanical) shooting high and left at 20 yards my hunting arrows are completely off target at 30 yards. I switched to a hostage style test retuned the center shot and my broad heads not shoot within 2 inches of my practice arrows from 20 yards out to 40 yards.
I believe the fletch deflection as the fletching pass thru the whisker biscuit causes the broad heads to plane of of true center and the fletching cannot correct the off center flight path
I have tried different fletching styles with slightly better results, but the biggest and best results came when I changed to the hostage rest
This explains why I was splitting arrows at 40 yards with the WB, but at 80 yards, my groupings opened up exponentially! Hunting in the woods, I've only shot past 40 yards twice and there are many reasons to not do that while hunting whitetail deer. I think for tournaments and competition shooting, the drop away is probably a better test to use, however, when hunting beasts of the field, the WB (style) rest is way more practical and, like you said, less likely to fail.
I just had my ripcord drop away freeze up while shooting at a nice buck last week. (Never dropped) First time it has ever failed me. I will be switching to a whisker biscuit next year.
Good! Those things are garbage. Full containment never fails
If it's in the 20's and below and snow on the ground you have to worry about getting the whisker biscuit wet. The whiskers will ice up.
cody hockenberry you weren’t there dumb ass.
Peng Kha so? With the one he has the fletchings pass through the openings.
I hear stories like this ALL the time with drop away releases.
In a sea of Archery channels, I dig this one, nice video, I'll be subscribing.
Matt Hall Thanks so much! Glad you enjoy the content. God bless.
I haven't picked up a compound bow in 10 years until I recently. I got a new bow with a drop away rest and as an adult I find it fun having to tune everything.
Another thing you have to consider is movement of the bow before the arrow leaves the rest. With a whisker biscuit, if you flinch or move your bow as you shoot, the arrow will also move and not have a straight flight since it is attached to the bow until the arrow fully leaves the rest. With a drop away, the arrow almost immediately becomes free flying, making any movement of the bow before the arrow leaves the rest a non-issue.
Lol serious? Is the bow string part of the bow or no?
I watched your video a couple of times and purchased one. I think this will help my hunting better this spring. I bought a bow used and wanted bring it more up to date and improve the accuracy
At the beginning of the video, you show a Hostage rest and talk about the pro's and cons of the Whisker Biscuit (two very different things). A hostage (with a properly tuned arrow) never contacts the fletching so, the contact is much less. I understand the shaft will flex upon release and come in contact with the Hostage rest and the drop away doesn't ever touch. I would be interested in seeing you shoot the same arrow on the same bow through all three rests, with a chronograph, and a paper tune. This scientific data would give us accurate information by which we could make a decision. Good video.
Watched 3/3/2014 I've used a full whisker biscuit for 25 years and harvested too many to count. I shoot from 12 to 36 yards top . With a mathews solo cam 32. I'm very pleased with it. The new bows are just out of my price range, once you add all the bells and whistles.
Trying to tune my bow, I have found that the whisker Biscuit wont allow as tight of a tune as a drop away. Good Videos man, Keep it up.
Just getting into archery. Your videos are super informative. Feel like I can turn to your videos for anything I need to learn.
Rob The Closer Glad I can be so helpful!
I've kicked it around in my head the pros and cons of each type of rest. Until now I've only used a whisker biscuit or full containment rest. I practice very often. Over time my tests show signs of wearing due to friction of the arrow shafts and contact with the fletching. Replacement brushes are relatively cheap and easy to install. However, I never skip tuning. I recently installed a decent drop away rest to see if I would like it... pro, I like the total lack of arrow contact when I loose. Con, too many points of potential failures. Having said that, I'm going to continue using the drop away rest a bit longer. By the time I decide which is preferred, deer season will be here.
What did you end up going with?
I love the whisker biscuit as the primary for hunting. I agree that for target shooting the drop away is the better choice. but recent videos have shown that the speed difference is minimal. If your trying to hit and aspirin at 50 yards a more expensive rest may be in order.
Never had any issues with the whisker biscuit, always reliable, quiet and accurate. Shot plenty of deer and a bull elk at 40 yards this Sep. and the arrow went straight through him, plenty of speed with 70lb draw.
Hello Jack. I am watching this older video because I am going away from a Hamskea dropaway and returning to a whisker biscuit on both my bows, although I am going with the V-Max WB. Two reasons: 1) a friend challenged me to try test the reduced speed theory for myself, thand changing the Hamskea out for the regular whisker biscuit averaged between 1 - 2 fps. That is not enough for me to triple my expense from a V-Max to a Hamskea drop away, or even a rip-cord or QAD. 2) This year when picking my bow up off the hook it was hanging on caused the arrow to bounce in the rest and make a noise, and spooked the deer. Now part of that was human error - my anxious/quick movement caused the arrow to jump, not the rest - but if it ere in the biscuit and held securely still that wouldn't have happened. My equipment would have helped mask my quicker than necessary movement that created the noise. And, as you pointed out in the video, there is less mechanical movement (none) to fail; so, the WB helps protect against Murphy's law by eliminating a couple of things that can -- and at some point will for someone -- go wrong. Thanks for your videos.
I shoot a whisker and have had no issues so far, but am admit to being a novice shooter. I too feel that if the shooter gets the basics down first then other ways of holding the arrow are preference oriented more than real or perceived advantages. good video explaining the differences though.
1LRLRG Thanks! And good luck with your continued work with archery! God bless.
Indeed it's just preference. I use the nap quicktune and cartel midas ii rests. They are blade rests which are like drop always but without having to tie them in to the bow. They run on a spring instead of a cable.
Dude...you need to open your own pro shop. You are by far the most well spoken and informed archer I have come across. I would drive from Fl to just have you work on my bow. Hate the fact you’re a Pittsburgh penguin fan..but hey..nobody is perfect ;-)
Good looking out @Jack💯
I really like your videos. I am just getting started in recurve and archery in general. You have a very calming way of explaining things. Thank you. 👍
I had a very good drop away on my Hoyt...not any more. Two Reason's ---1st arrow falls off rest it can at times not re-center itself. ---2nd When it does fall off it's rest the arrow makes enough noise to spook a close deer.
I went to a Wisker Biscuit ---my Hoyt Pro Hawk delivers 305 fps with 60 lbs @ 29 inches --arrow impact at 70 yds is about 1.3 seconds. Targets and shooting area are on uneven ground and @ 70 yds I have a grouping of 5 to 6 inches.
210 ft in 1.3 seconds isn't 305fps just sayin
And... Subscribed. I'm new to archery, but have always been fascinated with it. I'll be getting a compound bow soon, so your channel has really helped me learn. I'm a pre teen btw. My dad knows a lot about bows, but never used /knows much about the whisker biscuit. So this video is really helpful. Thanks, and keep doing what you're doing!
Thank you for clarification on the difference between the whisker biscuit and the traditional rest. I'll stick with the whisker biscuit on my pse bow
I got 27 inch arrows from a friend. Can I shoot these in my pse stinger. My draw length is 28 inches
Very good presentation, have not bow hunted for years and thinking about getting back into it since moving back to the midwest.
Great video, I just opened up the box and removed the Vertix I won at RMEF. Been using a WB for several years and consideration of a drop away on the new bow brought me here. No real reason to change and this video backs that up!
I had been using a full brush Whisker biscuit but changed to a 3 brush Hostage type, I've just ordered an NAP Apache so it'll be interesting to see if I notice a difference.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge, look forward to more God willing.
R Mac Good luck and God bless!
R Mac I've literally shot thousands of arrows through my trophy taker drop away with zero issues
Buy as many extra brushes as you can. You'll only have to replace them once a month.
R Mac Last Season I used G5 Halo, worked great until it sleeted and snowed, the brushes froze up and actually froze around my arrow, I switched to NAP Apache..zero issues or problems
Just got back into bow hunting this year - out of the game since the early 90's. Got a drop away rest (Ripcord Ace - $99...) and really liked the performance and long range accuracy I've been working on. After a fair bit of practice shooting, at least a couple thousand arrows, I lost a deer with the first shot that mattered because the string frayed inside the rest and it didn't drop - 2 feet high at 20 yards. I'm considering going for a whisker biscuit during hunting season and using a drop away for the rest of the year; I'm not taking 80 yards shots at deer anyway.
Great explanation, I'm new to archery and there is way more choice in a lot of this stuff than I thought there would be. Thanks for talking through that in a way even a newbie like me can get his head wrapped around. Only problem is your choice of sweatshirt, go Hawkeyes!
We PSU fans owe you Hawkeyes a debt of thanks for knocking out Michigan from Rose Bowl contention with your win last year. :) We'll just have to settle our differences on the wrestling mat in a couple of weeks in Carver Arena!
But in all seriousness I'm glad that I could be of help! If you ever have any further questions never hesitate to ask them. God bless.
Getting my first bow soon this helped allot thanks
Very good! You were informative, stayed to point, offered pros & cons with open opinions on both products....Excellent.
I shot a TM hunter most of my life, about 5 years ago switched to a QAD drop away. Never had a problem with arrows falling off either way.
You have a good sense of our questions here at home, and I am always pleased with the answers.
Thank you
Thanks man, great and informative and kept it simple and easy to follow for a new archery guy!
I switched from a Savage prong arrow rest with teflon arms to a QAD HDX in 2014. I really like the QAD rest. It's super quiet when you draw back, & I have never encountered a dropping issue. I'd rather go back to a two prong rest than shoot a Whisker Biscuit. When I started shooting a drop away, I also switched from feathers to blazers. The main feature of a good rest is clearing the fletchings on release!
I switched from a whisker biscuit to a QAD drop away and I’m hitting at least 6-8 inches high at 50-60 yards. Not to mention, had trouble getting fixed blade broadheads to shoot straight and they shoot like darts now with no change other than my rest. Also with the whisker biscuit and heavier arrows (north of 500 grains) my shafts fall through the whisker biscuit all the time. I like my QAD and wouldn’t switch back
Good job explaining the difference between them. The only thing I don't hear you talk about is the amount of noise difference. I tried the whisker biscuit many years ago when they first came out. I had been shooting deer at point blank range for a long time, and any noise is critical to getting a shot. I noticed the noise the whisker biscuit makes when the arrow pulls through it during the drawing of the bow. When a deer is within 15 yard and closer range, they can definitely hear that dragging noise through the biscuit. No doubt about it.
Rub a tad bit of rem gun oil on arrows, I mean a drop on a cloth and that’s enough for several arrows. Say what you will, but works for me
I'm a fan of Whisker Biscuits. I put them on my kid's bows, and my recurve. They are so easy to use. I use them for bow fishing. My hunting compound has a QAD drop away. I find the drop away provides a slight accuracy advantage, which is great 3D shooting, but I don't think it's significant enough to make a difference for hunting.
one thing you did not mention is this, a whisker biscuit for hunting is better because it contains your arrow when moving and does not make noise like a drop away will do
I use a happy medium. I have a spring loaded drop away. It holds the arrow by 2 small points and has clearance for the odd fletching. If the arrow does hit it for any reason it will easily move out of the way but on a normal shot it barely contacts the arrow.
I’m using an older bow with just 2 prongs holding arrow up. Works great 👍🏼
Yeah until a giant buck walks up at 9 yards and you're shaking so bad the arrow falls off and the deer runs off
@@daddoesthings9461 well then you just don’t shake 🤷♂️
This was an interesting video....Thanks...I'm in my mid 50's, been bow hunting since I was in my teens. Lost track of how many animals I've taken with my Bows over the years but it's in the triple digits somewhere...I come from the Flipper Rest generation and I have tried them all...And I mean all of them......I shoot to hunt. When I tried the Dropaway's, all I had was tuning issues. Not to mention a drop away rest will not keep the arrow on the rest if you cant or slant the bow.. Simply cannot beat Whisker Biscuit's for arrow security, durability, consistency & reliability & affordability. Something you don't talk about here is keeping the arrow in a shooting position while stalking or moving through tall grass or brush..(which makes me wonder if you actually hunt)...That is where full capture rests like the Biscuit really shine....Personally, 40 yards is my absolute maximum with most of my real world kill shots coming in between 10 & 25 yards. I shoot heavy arrows & heavy broadheads (over 600 grains) ... Again, the Biscuit wins..If you are truly worried about speed, (I'm not because I took the time to actually learn how to shoot a bow)...you can trim the Biscuit with a pair of scissors or nail clippers and minimize arrow bristle contact. IMHO...One of the major problems with modern archers & archery is that you guys keep trying to turn your bows into a rifle. Learn how to shoot and velocity becomes a non issue. Arrows kill with momentum which is about mass & inertia not speed...
Fireworxs2012 thank you! I've seen many videos criticizing the whisker biscuit for slowing the arrow by a few feet per second. especially at 40 yds or longer. In my case I also shoot to hunt and only practice out to 35 yards being that most of my shooting lanes are under 30 where I hunt. my biscuit will be just as deadly at 20 yards as any 100+ dollar fall away rest.
Fireworxs2012 I could care less about speed but when it comes to accuracy and shot consistency, drop away rests are superior.
+aj7861 1 when you mention the $100+ drop away rests, whisker biscuit rests are far cheaper. I've seen whisker biscuits go for $12 on eBay and the rest I bought from the local outdoor shop cost me $30.
I've only been deer hunting for a few years and took my first deer with a whisker biscuit on. I practiced with it and never had a problem with grouping or sending arrows deep into my target. The one thing that made me switch to a drop away rest is my whisker biscuit was not silent. Never noticed it until I drew back on my first doe and a screech noise came from my bow. Wasn't sure exactly what it was until it happened again a few days later on another doe. What I've read, some will make the noise on your arrows and others don't. If I had one that didn't scratch against my arrows, I'd still have it on my bow.
Fireworxs2012 : Thank you so much on the whisker biscuit. The flipper spring went bad on mine and you helped me decide on what to buy. Again thanks. Sometimes it's better to go to the comments section to get advice.😀😉
The whisker biscuit and hostage are great arrow rests but they don't work for all arrows. Arrows that have 4 vanes or have a heavy helical to the vanes, tend to have issues with those rests. And some people swear by fobs. I have never used a fob but I am looking into them. Those arrows mentioned have to be shot out of a drop away rest. So that is another pro for a drop away rest. Another con for a drop away rest would be noise. Not all drop away rests have much noise but some do. As far as tieing in a drop away rest, it can be done without a bow press using a football that attaches to your cables. However, the football has been known to slip on strings that are waxed regularly. To prevent that you can serve a section of your cable an attach the football to the served section. Or serve the cable above the football to prevent slipping. I just used a press and tied my cable in.
Very informative and well explained, one of the best formatted videos I’ve seen
I had a drop away rest on my bow but I kept having problems with it. So I switched to the other one
Whisker Biscuit is what I will stick with. One less thing to worry about.
Whisker biscuit. That sounds dirty.
New term for a hairy butthole.
Kinda like whistle britches.
Breakfast of champions.
Bob..... you ruined it
@@Crackhouts A hairy butthole? I don't judge.
Nice talk man - thanks for taking the time to publish this content...
I hunt with powder and led.
As a vet and being way too close to thunder too many times, I to my knowledge have never shot a compound bow.
That said I have been curious about the function of this Whisker subject for a while, I didn't even know what it was called.
The last time I almost shot a bow, my friend and I took both of us and all of our strength just to attach the string to his WWII combat marine fathers not compound 100 and something pound straight bow 45 years ago.
Both of us are/were pretty strong and lifters and neither of us could even pull the string back to fire the arrow.
His dad was an avid hunter and best "hunter" with a shotgun slug I ever met, he could track on foot and down several deer every season. Never saw him shoot the bow however, he always came back with deer every bow season.
He had beagles, the rabbits, and squirrels didn't have a chance.
After trying to string that bow I turned to powder and lead in all forms of firearms, always remembering that day.
Thank you for your very well presented objective education on bows.
I use the NAP Apache on my compound bow because I use Fobs instead of fletching.
It works great 👍
I was gifted/loaned a QAD drop away that you can put the arrow in, then prop the rest up and when you shoot it drops away on it's own.
Doesn't need to be tied into the servings at all, it's pretty impressive.
Ya… no! All qad rests need to be served in, what you are experiencing is the safety breakaway feature when your fletching hits the rest arm.
Appreciate the info & honesty. Thank you
Couple things you didn't mention. A major difference between a whisker biscuit and a hostage rest is that the brushes on most hostage tests are replaceable.
Also, improper installment off the drop cord on a drop away rest by even a fraction of an inch can affect your let off.
The problem with the three brush rest is several of my vanes have slight deviations and occasionally knick one of the brush blocks, "kicking" the torjectory off.
Gotta go with Whisker Biscuit. The reliability is well worth the few lost FPS.
I will agree on all that's been presented and the arguments out there for newer, sexier and efficient technology BUT I'm an average hunter shooting an average Bear bow of about 14 years with a W. Biscuit. Been bringing home trophies and meat for the last .... lets see ..... 10 years .... took me the first 4 years to learn "hunting" and was meager pickings till then. It's great to learn all these important technical facts BUT put yourself in the proper wind on the right day, if the wind isn't right for that stand hunt another or don't hunt at all, scent control, scent control and scent control and practice shooting as much as possible and know a deers anatomy inside out (pun not intended), know and mood of a deer and when it's nervous enough to jump the string learn how low to hold (seen a deer that's just walked up to me "jump the string"/ duck 14", having held on the brisket I spined it, slow mo Gopro footage was awesome) When you put an arrow perfectly in the boiler room it's a short tracking job or no tracking at all.
I am very thankful that the info presented above is there as I'm educated by it. My 2 cents worth above is not for you Pro's out there but for the novice younger hunter in danger of getting hung up on technicalities MORE than the art and science of hunting itself. Good luck, god blew and practice !!!! Peace out !!!
My new bow came with wisker biscuit. I didn't like the way it brushes against my fletchings so I switched to hostage that was on my broken bow. Boy that hostage is 9 years old and still holds up well
I shoot a WB...HOWEVER there IS a big difference between it and the HOSTAGE. The HOSTAGE contacts the shaft, but not much. It doesn't contact the fletch. I've tried the HOSTAGE and it actually wore the brushes down fairly soon, to the point I had to shim them with matchbook cardboard. Perhaps a Hostage style knockoff would be made with lesser materials there, but a roll of the dice would suggest they could actually be better. I'm sure a chrono would show exact nano-seconds of difference in speed, but the deer I've shot wouldn't have been able to dodge an arrow moving at that speed. And tho I'm happy with the full-brush containment performance of the WB on my 1st Gen SB1, I'm now considering an Amazon special Hostage style you mentioned - just out of curiosity... thanks!
Simplicity for me, KISS. Whisker biscuit ftw!!!
Excellent review. For the average archer/hunter the decision is easy. Quicker all the way. BUT... if you are a serious tournament shooter or pro the Drop Away is winner hands down. The accuracy down range at anything beyond 40 (as mentioned) will suffer if the arrow is in contact with anything after you release. Hence , the original reason for developing the drop away. Most bow hunters shoot at deer at or around 15-25 yards. They will never see the difference in accuracy. Drop away for them is just one more thing to tune and eventually go wrong. Good hunting my brothers. Always stay calm and pick a spot.
I’ll stick with my Trophy Ridge Quick Shot Whisker Biscuit that came with my bow! Plus accuracy isn’t affected I only shoot 30” or less & get same groups every time it also depends on if your bows tuned as well! Great video very good info!
Solid breakdown, thanks for the info in a tight but thorough package!
i am currently writting a character who uses a bow while i have no experience in archery and this was very very useful in what tools to give him tysm
How do you not have more subscribers? You explain everything so eloquently
Haha! Make sure you tell my wife that! 🤣
I had a QAD on my Monster and Maxxis 35. Both wouldn't stay tuned and ripped off fletching