With family trees it’s one family so in this case it’s the Rostva family. Ie grandparents,Parents,children. So the main tree would be Katarina’s parents (I missed the mom and step grandfather) then parents Raymond and Katarina.Also Katarina and all her lovers because they would be step father’s to Elizabeth though in genealogy step family is often left out if it’s a marriage that resulted in no children. I wanted to add this as in the show most men have been claimed as her biological father at some point. Liz’s step mom was added because she had a child with Raymond and married her and made Liz’s half sibling. As Susan is form a different tree entirely (toms biological family) it didn’t make sense to add his family.Tom was only added because he had children with a Rostva aka Elizabeth. So yeah plus she is in like one episode and doesn’t play that much into the story except for being the babysitter when Elizabeth abandons her child.
I’m very curious what you mean about forgetting the mother in law That was Toms mom but I’m sorry I don’t follow what that has to do with Elizabeth and Jennifer. Did I miss something?
@@lisabados8589 They meant Toms family. Because Tom is only on the tree through marriage Most Genealogist don’t add there family. I didn’t think toms family was needed because there’s like a whole tv show about them and a whole episode on blacklist.
@@elizabethkeen7851Thank you so much for the explanation. (If your the real Elizabeth keen I was shocked to hear you grew up in beautiful and very similar town in Michigan Petoskey. ( Grosse pointe shores). Elizabeths character has drawn so much hatred from fans, myself included. However that can only come from an extremely talented portrayal of Red’s advisory. The storyline twisted a beloved character into what seemed a often unappreciative and un loyal antagonist to the love-able but good hearted father figure Reddington. I can only hope that is not why your leaving. I hope we will see Elizabeth in the future. The show will not be the same.
Raymond Reddington may in fact be an alias after all the “real” Red was an naval intelligence officer “fake” Red assumed his identity who Red actually is or was is anybody’s guess
This was a really interesting edit. Shame how quickly she forgot her words about how even though he isn’t her father he’s watched over her entire life and part of the family the minute she learned that it was an actually Helia
Kate asked really good questions. I wish Liz would have kept to that promise to Katerina that she couldn’t be a part of her life if she was against Redington
Raymond is Red. The bones is his twin brother, or the other way around(that's where the doctor come into the plot) Red is definitely Elizabeth's father(be it affair or not) because no matter how many times she betrays him, he looks the other way. ilya/frank is ilya I figured he is the real red because he knew about Harold's wrongdoing and betrayal as he was the investigating officer. During his death trial, he knew where to find the Tape that reveal Kat betrayed Red, thus Townsend directive. It was a partial partnership that was formed by no other than Red himself. The partial cabal is also under Red's control.
I think Red is Katarina 1. Do you remember in season 2, Reddington told Liz that he had her memory wiped to protect her from the trauma of killing her father and in season 8 episode 21 we learn that it was Katarina who had Liz memory wiped not Reddington. 2. At the end of season 1 episode 7, we see Reddington standing in front of a window and remembering standing there before and watching Liz play in the grass, that scene can be seen in season 8 episode 21 with Katarina standing at that window and watching Liz play in the grass with Jennifer in her arms. 3. The way Red and Kat folds their coats, check the first scene of s1ep1 and Cape May. The way they both kiss Liz, you can see when Liz was dieing, she knew they are the same person. 4. In season 4, when Red was talking to Liz about the Cabal, KGB and the CIA, he said they were after him. From season 6 going, then we got to know that they were after Katarina not Reddington. 5. Everytime he talks about Katarina, he says he knew her better than anyone. And knows even where Katarina put her things in Dom's home. Why do you think everybody who got to know the truth wanted to hurt Liz, if Red wasn't her parent. We now know that the real Reddington (Liz's father) is dead and Katarina is alive, so what makes you think it's not Reddington. These are my own analysis that convinces me that Katarina is Reddington and when you say Dom hates Red but loves Katarina, that's somehow true but don't forget he hates Red because all the time he says what you did to her, what you did to Katarina. My explanation is that he loved Katarina before working with the Cabal but hates her for working with the Cabal, for bringing all these things on herself and her family, so when he sees Red he remembers Katarina she betrayed him and worked with the Cabal and changed her gender. So he no longer recognises her daughter but sees a male criminal who brought destruction to his family. If you think Red is the real Raymond Reddington still then I don't know what to say to you. The question is why will he kill people who discovered his identity if his identity is Reddington which everybody knows. Why? This means he is not the real Raymond Reddington. And those people also saying maybe it's a twin brother or a cousin of the real Reddington, that's also crazy. How come we've watched a show up to season 9 with almost 200 episodes and no one has ever mentioned you. How? Although I don't like the idea of transgending and don't like transgenders but If Red doesn't turn out to be Katarina, I will be very disappointed. After all these sacrifices and help, who would do all these if not a parent. And those saying, they want red to be the real Reddington (Liz's father), do you know why they revealed that Katarina got burned in the fire season 8 episode 21, it was to debunk the fact that Red is not the real Reddington because from the start of the series, people were saying he is the real Reddington because of the burns on his back. They made it possible so that people can't use that to debunk the fact that Red is Katarina.
A court of clockwork hallows The titles took the longest because I had to save the video every time I wanted text.Nope waiting for my family to catch-up the last episode I watched was the one on the island.
@@inkerirantala609 yes! and ppl moan abt how she complains a lot, but i think she has a right to complain, considering her life has been completely f*cked up and she knows close to nothing about who she is and who her family is. With everything she's dealt with, she's one of the strongest on the show!
Raymond (now) is Elizabeth's father because Berlin said Raymond my daughter died because of you, but your daughter (Elizabeth) is not dead and Tom said To Elizabeth your father is alive And I think in a very large proportion that Raymond (now) is Raymond because he saved his ex-wife Naomi from Berlin and said to Naomi, I can protect Jennifer
And Naomi says So how did you manage to get in liz’s life have you told her the truth she deserves to know. So I think Naomi knew about the affair and his daughter Elizabeth
@@lisabados8589 Yeh exactly! He isn't interested in Jennifer. Elizabeth is wayyyyy more important than her to him. So maybe Jennifer is real Raymond's daughter or something. And Elizabeth is this Red's daughter. Eh, I have no idea, but we'll find out soon, I hope :C
I don't know why but something tells me that Red is actually Katerina. I mean it's just something tells me that someone that knew Redington so well can become him. And the love that Red has for Liz, you can see it in his eyes, it's the love of a mother and I don't mean it in a symbolic way (that Red was father and mother to her). And no one knows where Katerina is.
First I thought Reddington was her mom with a sex change but now I think he is her father's twin. They may have been living a single life while they were both alive. 🤷♀️
@@elizabethkeen7851 honestly only thing that makes sense, Kirk stopped hating red so fast, the DNA test, reds scars on his back, red doesnt care about Jennifer, but he does about liz. Despite the fact they are both the real reddingtons daughter, but liz is katarinas only daughter.
I think liz mom cheated with the fake red and got pregnant and the real red was killed but the fake red is her real father. I'm only on season 2 but that's my prediction
@@jbrewerman2 liz mom and fake red tell the story of 2 people falling in love and having a baby who wasnt suppose to be together. There's always a big twist at the end of everything I'm just dying to find out what the hells going on
Ok, but I thought Elizabeth proved that this Red was her father because she got the DNA off his glass from that restaurant in the first season and only decided to look at the results in season 4.
nope she threw those results away because she didn't want to be associated "with a monster", the dna results she looked at was cooper's gift to her. he got a bloody shirt from evidence before "reddington went on the run" and tested that blood against liz's.
Wait, please help me here. I know about the double Reddington story line, but what about the DNA test that was done at the end of season 4. Reddington (Spader) was revealed to be her dad- what happened to that?
If I remember right, the DNA test was done with an old blood stain from a shirt that (supposedly) belonged to the other Reddington. That came back as a positive match to Liz’s DNA. She originally thought that meant that the Reddington she works with is her father, but it was later revealed that he is an imposter
@@WyattRyeSway Well the truth, to my knowledge, is that Raymond Redington is Liz's father but the current Red isn't Raymond Redington. (I'm only into S6E9 so there may be more clues I don't know yet) Early on in the show, Elizabeth asks Red if he's her father & he says no, but in a later season, Director Cooper orders a DNA test of Raymond's blood to see if he's related to Liz, which the dna test confirms is the case. Finally, Raymond from what it looks like, doesn't lie, he more so avoids the question with vague answers, which are designed to answer the question in such a way as to hide all pertinent information, so I believe he's telling the truth.
Personally i believe the writers are just delaying this as long as they can until NBC says they will be cancelled. They are in Year 8 and maybe in season 9 or 10 this series is over.
@@elizabethkeen7851 omggg I have been following the series for 5 years. It broke my heart for her leaving at the end and I can’t watch the new series without her... I can't believe that you are I love her work so soo much
@@moatazalnasan3905 og Raymond Remington is her bio dad. It seems like Katarina rostva is fake Raymond Redington as of the end of s7. Though I have not watched s8
@@FrancineMattson-sj5zf nothing really.. just figured she was a bigger part of it all and throwing it out there.. with recent events unfolding I'm not convinced even the creators have a firm idea. Sadly, it's all unravelling a bit like 'Lost'. I love the show but wish they had wrapped it up at the end of s8 with some definite answers.
@@SuperFrancisGuy Raymond Reddington is dead we saw his dead body and a few different people saying that is was og Raymond.We don't know why Katarina and Not og Raymond are fighting. It is implied that Fake Raymond,ilya and Katarina were all friends as childern.
You forgot the mother-in-law sausan hargrave
With family trees it’s one family so in this case it’s the Rostva family. Ie grandparents,Parents,children. So the main tree would be Katarina’s parents (I missed the mom and step grandfather) then parents Raymond and Katarina.Also Katarina and all her lovers because they would be step father’s to Elizabeth though in genealogy step family is often left out if it’s a marriage that resulted in no children. I wanted to add this as in the show most men have been claimed as her biological father at some point. Liz’s step mom was added because she had a child with Raymond and married her and made Liz’s half sibling. As Susan is form a different tree entirely (toms biological family) it didn’t make sense to add his family.Tom was only added because he had children with a Rostva aka Elizabeth. So yeah plus she is in like one episode and doesn’t play that much into the story except for being the babysitter when Elizabeth abandons her child.
I’m very curious what you mean about forgetting the mother in law
That was Toms mom but I’m sorry I don’t follow what that has to do with Elizabeth and Jennifer. Did I miss something?
@@lisabados8589 They meant Toms family. Because Tom is only on the tree through marriage Most Genealogist don’t add there family. I didn’t think toms family was needed because there’s like a whole tv show about them and a whole episode on blacklist.
@@elizabethkeen7851Thank you so much for the explanation. (If your the real Elizabeth keen I was shocked to hear you grew up in beautiful and very similar town in Michigan Petoskey. ( Grosse pointe shores). Elizabeths character has drawn so much hatred from fans, myself included. However
that can only come from an extremely talented portrayal of Red’s advisory. The storyline twisted a beloved character into what seemed a often unappreciative and un loyal
antagonist to the love-able but good hearted father figure Reddington.
I can only hope that is not why your
leaving. I hope we will see Elizabeth in the future. The show will not be the same.
I have thoroughly enjoyed James Spayder’s protrayal of Reddington-his character is utterly marvelously done
I really love Elizabeth Keen. Her character was one of the best. And Megan is very, very, very cute 😍😍😍❤😘
At this point,I won’t be surprised if even Red doesn’t know who red is
I mean he is quite ill so maybe not..
I think he’s actually the navy officer Raymond Reddington
I know right
Raymond Reddington may in fact be an alias after all the “real” Red was an naval intelligence officer “fake” Red assumed his identity who Red actually is or was is anybody’s guess
@@elizabethkeen7851 Reddington could be an alias so who’s to say who he really is or was “real” Red was an naval intelligence officer right?
This was a really interesting edit. Shame how quickly she forgot her words about how even though he isn’t her father he’s watched over her entire life and part of the family the minute she learned that it was an actually Helia
Kate asked really good questions. I wish Liz would have kept to that promise to Katerina that she couldn’t be a part of her life if she was against Redington
Raymond is Red. The bones is his twin brother, or the other way around(that's where the doctor come into the plot) Red is definitely Elizabeth's father(be it affair or not) because no matter how many times she betrays him, he looks the other way. ilya/frank is ilya
I figured he is the real red because he knew about Harold's wrongdoing and betrayal as he was the investigating officer. During his death trial, he knew where to find the Tape that reveal Kat betrayed Red, thus Townsend directive. It was a partial partnership that was formed by no other than Red himself. The partial cabal is also under Red's control.
agree and the stories he tells about petty office so and so forget her name. the alchemist could have changed the DNA on those bones and more..
STOP WITH THIS CRAP. twin thing and redrina.
Red is Katarina
I think Red is Katarina
1. Do you remember in season 2, Reddington told Liz that he had her memory wiped to protect her from the trauma of killing her father and in season 8 episode 21 we learn that it was Katarina who had Liz memory wiped not Reddington.
2. At the end of season 1 episode 7, we see Reddington standing in front of a window and remembering standing there before and watching Liz play in the grass, that scene can be seen in season 8 episode 21 with Katarina standing at that window and watching Liz play in the grass with Jennifer in her arms.
3. The way Red and Kat folds their coats, check the first scene of s1ep1 and Cape May. The way they both kiss Liz, you can see when Liz was dieing, she knew they are the same person.
4. In season 4, when Red was talking to Liz about the Cabal, KGB and the CIA, he said they were after him. From season 6 going, then we got to know that they were after Katarina not Reddington.
5. Everytime he talks about Katarina, he says he knew her better than anyone. And knows even where Katarina put her things in Dom's home.
Why do you think everybody who got to know the truth wanted to hurt Liz, if Red wasn't her parent. We now know that the real Reddington (Liz's father) is dead and Katarina is alive, so what makes you think it's not Reddington.
These are my own analysis that convinces me that Katarina is Reddington and when you say Dom hates Red but loves Katarina, that's somehow true but don't forget he hates Red because all the time he says what you did to her, what you did to Katarina. My explanation is that he loved Katarina before working with the Cabal but hates her for working with the Cabal, for bringing all these things on herself and her family, so when he sees Red he remembers Katarina she betrayed him and worked with the Cabal and changed her gender. So he no longer recognises her daughter but sees a male criminal who brought destruction to his family.
If you think Red is the real Raymond Reddington still then I don't know what to say to you. The question is why will he kill people who discovered his identity if his identity is Reddington which everybody knows. Why?
This means he is not the real Raymond Reddington.
And those people also saying maybe it's a twin brother or a cousin of the real Reddington, that's also crazy. How come we've watched a show up to season 9 with almost 200 episodes and no one has ever mentioned you. How?
Although I don't like the idea of transgending and don't like transgenders but If Red doesn't turn out to be Katarina, I will be very disappointed. After all these sacrifices and help, who would do all these if not a parent.
And those saying, they want red to be the real Reddington (Liz's father), do you know why they revealed that Katarina got burned in the fire season 8 episode 21, it was to debunk the fact that Red is not the real Reddington because from the start of the series, people were saying he is the real Reddington because of the burns on his back. They made it possible so that people can't use that to debunk the fact that Red is Katarina.
@@Adjei_Emmanuel1If Red is Katarina... why was there a woman pretending to be Katarina for like half a season....???
damn ultron literally fed our minds
This was very well put together
A court of clockwork hallows Thank you it took about three hours and I only forget one person as I hadn’t watched s6 when making this.
ElizabethKeen oh wow, that’s a long time. I haven’t watched the season finale yet. Have you?
A court of clockwork hallows The titles took the longest because I had to save the video every time I wanted text.Nope waiting for my family to catch-up the last episode I watched was the one on the island.
liz just needs some therapy and stability, i used to love her :(
She does
i still love her
@@inkerirantala609 same tbh, although she does annoy me sometimes, i think everyone is dramatic when they say she should be killed off 🙄
@@frieddegg fr!! i kinda relate to her personality so that's maybe why i love her.
@@inkerirantala609 yes! and ppl moan abt how she complains a lot, but i think she has a right to complain, considering her life has been completely f*cked up and she knows close to nothing about who she is and who her family is. With everything she's dealt with, she's one of the strongest on the show!
What's 5:58-6:12 from? The voice over not the scene.
It’s Liz talking to Katarina I would guess tail end of s7 but I am not a 100 percent witch episode
So Skip Bayless was looking after Liz all that time 🤔
Raymond (now) is Elizabeth's father because Berlin said Raymond my daughter died because of you, but your daughter (Elizabeth) is not dead and Tom said
To Elizabeth your father is alive And I think in a very large proportion that Raymond (now) is Raymond because he saved his ex-wife Naomi from Berlin and said to Naomi, I can protect Jennifer
Also doesn’t anyone find it odd that
Raymond is so disinterested in Jennifer. Yet he trades his life for Elizabeth again and again.
And Naomi says So how did you manage to get in liz’s life have you told her the truth she deserves to know. So I think Naomi knew about the affair and his daughter Elizabeth
This show is f*cking complex and it’s starting to make me angry. The audience deserves answers!
@@lisabados8589 Yeh exactly! He isn't interested in Jennifer. Elizabeth is wayyyyy more important than her to him. So maybe Jennifer is real Raymond's daughter or something.
And Elizabeth is this Red's daughter. Eh, I have no idea, but we'll find out soon, I hope :C
@@itayisrael9635 Ease down. Look out your window. See how the light breaks through the trees...want a few fingers of white alcohol?
One of the best plots ever
True
i think red is keens father. or not why would red always protect her??
@@d-danielk5525 red is katarina
I don't know why but something tells me that Red is actually Katerina. I mean it's just something tells me that someone that knew Redington so well can become him. And the love that Red has for Liz, you can see it in his eyes, it's the love of a mother and I don't mean it in a symbolic way (that Red was father and mother to her). And no one knows where Katerina is.
First I thought Reddington was her mom with a sex change but now I think he is her father's twin. They may have been living a single life while they were both alive. 🤷♀️
Why is a sex change such a common theory in this fandom😂
@@elizabethkeen7851 lol modern times
@@orkelyssupersaver true
That’s a good theory. Just can’t wait for season 9.
@@elizabethkeen7851 honestly only thing that makes sense, Kirk stopped hating red so fast, the DNA test, reds scars on his back, red doesnt care about Jennifer, but he does about liz. Despite the fact they are both the real reddingtons daughter, but liz is katarinas only daughter.
I think liz mom cheated with the fake red and got pregnant and the real red was killed but the fake red is her real father. I'm only on season 2 but that's my prediction
And I theorize fake red is real red's identical twin brother real red thought died years ago.
@@jbrewerman2 liz mom and fake red tell the story of 2 people falling in love and having a baby who wasnt suppose to be together. There's always a big twist at the end of everything I'm just dying to find out what the hells going on
@@Natureluvr1987 SAMEEEEEEEEEEE. Currently rewatching - I'm on season 3, trying to catch on any missed details.
All wrong. Guys Raymond reddington (now) is katarina rostova
Why cant you see it? So obvious
Is the real Raymond reddington her father or the man pretending to be Raymond reddington (spader)?
YEAH.... EVERYTIME LIZ SAYS SHE LOVES HIM OR CARES ABOUT NEXT THING SHE STABS HIM IN THE BACK, HURT HIM, BREAK HIM 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
You are not wrong though!
i love Reddington
yet you cant spell his name correctly.
@@mamchoeurn393 they did spell his name correctly!!
Me too!! I love the expressions on his face at times! Like once when he was dealing with Glen…. He was like… Glen, I’m not in the mood!🤣
@@mamchoeurn393 nah I reckon the name was taken
Ok, but I thought Elizabeth proved that this Red was her father because she got the DNA off his glass from that restaurant in the first season and only decided to look at the results in season 4.
nope she threw those results away because she didn't want to be associated "with a monster", the dna results she looked at was cooper's gift to her. he got a bloody shirt from evidence before "reddington went on the run" and tested that blood against liz's.
He can take his prints
@@ninnamoroll just because she didn’t want to be associated with a monster, doesn’t mean he isn’t her father
@@azzydreamurr5677 u good shawty? ur response ain't relevant to the conversation whatsoever
She never looked at the results. She lost her nerve.
Wait, please help me here. I know about the double Reddington story line, but what about the DNA test that was done at the end of season 4. Reddington (Spader) was revealed to be her dad- what happened to that?
mattbart08 the dead bones are her father not red
If I remember right, the DNA test was done with an old blood stain from a shirt that (supposedly) belonged to the other Reddington. That came back as a positive match to Liz’s DNA. She originally thought that meant that the Reddington she works with is her father, but it was later revealed that he is an imposter
20COLTS13 thank you so much. I’ll have to sit and have a marathon soon.
How bout this , Liz doesn’t have a father .
What if Red and Koslov are brothers? I mean, they kind do look similar
red is katarina
I think Red is her father
After 8x21 you got liz’s step father wrong
Hmm this videos is like a year old… it’s not like i knew that when this was posted
I think that this red is the real red
We saw his dead body...
@@elizabethkeen7851 well.....with people who can change the dna and replace bodies....
Me too
Remember that when elizabeth was trying to remember the night of the fire, on a part we saw a man who leaves the house and a body on the floor.
ElizabethKeen or did we 🤔
You forgot her mother-in-law
I have answered this in other comments please read that.
I love raymond reddington not Elizabeth because she always stabbing him
Okey but Who's the father of liz
meli mel ......the real Raymond Reddington. Whether that’s this guy or the bones, I don’t know.
@@WyattRyeSway Well the truth, to my knowledge, is that Raymond Redington is Liz's father but the current Red isn't Raymond Redington. (I'm only into S6E9 so there may be more clues I don't know yet) Early on in the show, Elizabeth asks Red if he's her father & he says no, but in a later season, Director Cooper orders a DNA test of Raymond's blood to see if he's related to Liz, which the dna test confirms is the case. Finally, Raymond from what it looks like, doesn't lie, he more so avoids the question with vague answers, which are designed to answer the question in such a way as to hide all pertinent information, so I believe he's telling the truth.
Raymond is her real father for sure .
He is probably her father, because the fake red was supposed to be ayla koslov, but he isn't. So I dont rlly know
Darth Vader is her real father
if red isnt ilya koslov, so who is he?
Watch S7
what about the fake reddington from season 3?
So if red is not illyas then who is he🤔🤯🤯🤯
It’s a secret 🤫
N13
@@john04711 N-13 is the name of the Russian agent(Raymond Reddington)
Honestly this shit confusing
True!
Personally i believe the writers are just delaying this as long as they can until NBC says they will be cancelled. They are in Year 8 and maybe in season 9 or 10 this series is over.
@@adamsamuel8593 true! Like there repeating season 4 with run away Liz. It’s go but they only can do so much with Liz being bad. You know?
who is the father of elizabeth keen
Katarina Rostov did you even watch the video/Show
@@elizabethkeen7851 omggg
I have been following the series for 5 years. It broke my heart for her leaving at the end and I can’t watch the new series without her... I can't believe that you are I love her work so soo much
@@moatazalnasan3905 I read that when I was half asleep I thought you said mother😂😂 but it also seems like s7 Katarina is red so
@@elizabethkeen7851 so who is the father of Elizabeth keen
@@moatazalnasan3905 og Raymond Remington is her bio dad. It seems like Katarina rostva is fake Raymond Redington as of the end of s7. Though I have not watched s8
Mr Kaplan is the father!
I agree
What makes you think that?
@@FrancineMattson-sj5zf nothing really.. just figured she was a bigger part of it all and throwing it out there.. with recent events unfolding I'm not convinced even the creators have a firm idea. Sadly, it's all unravelling a bit like 'Lost'. I love the show but wish they had wrapped it up at the end of s8 with some definite answers.
Very confusing I still don’t understand anything
The video or the blacklist?
ElizabethKeen Raymond Reddington and Katarina Rostova
@@SuperFrancisGuy Raymond Reddington is dead. Katarina Rostova is the redhead and blonde.
ShippingAvaLance if that’s so, which it might not be, who’s currently Raymond reddington and why are Raymond and katarina at each other’s throat
@@SuperFrancisGuy Raymond Reddington is dead we saw his dead body and a few different people saying that is was og Raymond.We don't know why Katarina and Not og Raymond are fighting. It is implied that Fake Raymond,ilya and Katarina were all friends as childern.