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Making An MDF Gate... Yes, really!!
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- Опубліковано 4 бер 2021
- PLEASE NOTE: It has been brought to my attention that there were a couple of mistakes made in this video due to the technical nature of the MEDITE TRICOYA EXTREME panel. 1. You must use stainless screws when in direct contact with MTX because the low levels of acetic acid in the panel will corrode metal over time. I have since replaced the screws (see follow up video: LINK TBC) Full usage guidelines here: files.mutualcd... 2. The panel will still perform to its guarantee, however in order to achieve the highest quality paint finish, you're best off using one that does not have calcium carbonate in it, as it can react with the panel and cause blisters. The edges and grooves also needed to be sealed to get the best finish. MEDITE SMARTPLY recommend using one of their certified coating systems, available on their website here: mdfosb.com/en/...
In this video I make some external garden gates using Medite SMARTPLY's Tricoya Extreme MDF, which is a specialist exterior grade MDF. This is the quickest and easiest way of making gates that I can possibly think of, and not only that they should also require very little maintenance and last for many years as the material has a 50 year guarantee and 60 year expected life span!
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The reason your arc lines didn't match up when you were marking out using the string and nail is because the string was attached too far up the pen.....this resulted in the markers nib drifting in and out as it travelled round the arc (you can see this happening in the video). A strip of scrap wood with holes for both the nail and pen works better.
Can use a tape measure also.
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Can't believe that this escapes people!
Lovely job, you managed to do the whole job without rubbing anything with the damp cloth. !
🤣 I'll make sure there's some cloth rubbing next week
I'll look forward to that.
Be interested to see how well this holds up after a few months! If it works well, it’ll definitely provide a quicker alternative to more traditional gate building for those in a rush!
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I had a sample of this MDF and decided to test it. For six months I soaked it in water for a week then dried it out for a week and repeated for the entire six months. When compared to another small sample it hadn’t changed dimensions in the slightest. It was as good as new.
Amazing! I'm running a similar test actually, been outside since October so far
Wow - costly to say the least! However, I have just finished building a traditional mortise and tenon door for a side door to my garage (video will be out soon) and it took me over a week. Would have definitely been a lot quicker using MDF with some timber backing as reinforcement.
I would be very keen to see an update on this material after a year or 2 in the UK weather Keith!
Cheers, will check out your channel. I built some "real" gates too recently and it was certainly a lot more work. I'll definitely do an update video great idea
"Oh, that's an interesting product"
*checks price*
Nevermind.
Guaranteed 50 years ... Incredible! Great build, I would never have considered MDF for exterior. But with that guarantee ... go for it !! Don't forget to paint patch in that 12mm divet for the latch pivot !!
I think a v-groove bit in the router would make them panels stand out more
Or tilt the track saw over to 45 deg.
Exactly my thoughts
I use to do that but I now use a straight bit or saw blade like Keith did. Think it gives a more modern look.
Could do, but personally not really a fan of the v groove look, looks too artificial to me, but each to their own
Nice modern look! Really liking the vertical lines. Nice work!!
Thanks Anthony
Keith I thought the gate looked great and I was already to start purchasing some until the price popped up 😂 Jesus that's expensive I thought it was going to be about 80 or 90 quid a sheet 😂 having said that I totally agree with everything you said at the end of the video all factual points mate. Definitely looks the part and I'm guessing over the next couple of years the price may well come down when more companies start supplying a similar product.
Great information mate and well put across as always and that's not me being biased. 😊👌
It's great stuff mate use every couple of weeks I screwed a offcut to an outside wall about four years ago to see for myself and it's still there
Robin Clevett used it on a couple of skill builder projects. He swears by it.
EXACTLY what I was thinking Karl, £80-£90 /sheet.
I couldn't justify, (to my wife), over £200/sheet. :D
You could do it from oak cheaper.
I don't mind products like this being more expensive but that price is a bit of a piss take, its only possible to justify it by factoring potential Labour costs in at daft rates. But then your customer ends up with an expensive mdf gate... Brilliant.
So MDF and Accoya came together created this mutant hybrid of the two. That price tag though per sheet wowser. Great project Keith.
Am I the only one who found the walking part after the gate close hilarious 🤣
The doors came out great, ypu did a great job!
I really like that MDF.
I wish though you have placed the cross bar just for looks :)
Incredible commercial I hope they give you an endless supply of that stuff
I am surprised that more vendors are not knocking on you GATE. I never feel like it is a commercial just mostly your honest observations. Having watched you for a long time I know that you have no problem calling out problem areas ...
Thank you I'm glad it comes across that way 👍
Beautiful job! Cool to see how folks from across the pond build gates🤘
I definitely see your point about saving time on labor but wow was not expecting that price. This is why it's great teaming up with companies like medite as I wouldn't have know this product existed
Jesus wept do my ears need cleaning or did you say this stuff is £250 a sheet??
I'd be frightened to cut it at that price!
I had to rewind to confirm as well! Crikey
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OMG! At that price I'd be saving the saw dust!
The gates look great Keith and they covered quite nicely with the paint too. Great video mate 👍
I’m blown away, mdf outdoors 🤯 🤷🏻♂️
What an incredible material ..
Interesting MDF product, Keith. Didn't know there was something out there that is actually suitable for exterior use! 👍😁
New gate might help keep Dylan in the back and away from the main road.
Nice job Keith. Enjoyed watching.
KRAZY Keith 🤪🤪 and his MDF projects. Well done sir !!!
The bug bare with most of these latches is when they’re in place they don’t fit snug, at least 4mm play, and when windy the gate blows and rattles. You could weld something , but too much hassle, I drilled a 2mm hole and put a small screw through the hole on the latch where it sat in the keeper, and cut it flush on the other side. Used some Gorilla glue also. Works an absolute treat.Painted it black.
Hi Keith. That's a fool proof and quick way of measuring the gate size. Good idea the angled edge to help the rain drain off. Well
explained the advantages using this make of water resistant MDF. I like the gap under the gates it's great for the hedgehogs. Tony
Cheers Tony #savethehedgehogs
I'm thoroughly enjoying the "hard intro" to your videos as opposed to the soft intro you were doing for awhile with the music. This is very reminiscent of the early days of your channel when you were building your workshop shed at your old house (long time subscriber).
Cheers Jon, yeah I've been phasing out the face to camera intros recently, just not feeling "right" anymore 👍
Great job Keith! I had never heard of this stuff before. It's got my cogs turning.
Looks fab!
Some nice spax wirox screws will be perfect to replace those screws with. torx for security and a coating that will last as long as the gate.
Interesting product of MDF. Thanks for sharing Keith!
Cheers
The strut at 8:40 🤣 great video, interesting product too. A follow up in a years time would be good to see!
Will do, great idea 👍
I came across the exterior grade MDF a while ago and it's fantastic outside - way more durable than many plywoods I've used. Mainly 12mm soffits and barge boards, but more recently it machines great for CNC'd signs. It is pricey but I can get up-to 32 (typically around 24) signs out of a sheet so the material cost is around £8 - £20 per sign.
Anyway great project. K.
Cheers Karl, I'm looking forward to seeing how it looks in a few years time, seems almost too good to be true in a way! 👍
Can't beat a sound Suffolk latch, as supplied by Amazon, made no doubt in China!😂😂😂. Nice looking gate and interesting to see a new, technological material applied to an age old product. Thanks for sharing and being a Tricoya pioneer.😁
Cheers
When using Tricoya and also the timber Accoya you can't use bog standard screws/bolts so no Galvanised,no Yellow Zinc passivated, Sheradized etc because Accoya and Tricoya contains acetic acid and those screws you used won't last 6 months. They specify Stainless steel 316 but I think you may be able to use brass but not sure. I only use stainless. When using it people need to make sure the paints,stains and glues they use are compatible with Tricoya/Accoya as again acetic acid is a major factor to consider.
A couple of weeks ago I went to price a job and someone had made some bi-fold doors 12 months previously and they failed to paint the lock apperture,lock keep etc and the lock body had almost rotted through where the acetic acid had eaten away the metal lock body.. Adhesives wise PU is ok but PVA or Cascamite is a big no no.
Tricoya like Accoya is a very good product but way overpriced for what it is. Accoya is cheap Radiata Pine which is treated whereby it seals the cells and prevents water from ingressing. One downside is it's horrible to work , very dusty and brittle too..Shop around and you can buy it for around £150 incl vat..
Nicely done again mate.👌 Used this exterior mdf a few times now. Not cheap but a real problem solver. Bought a shinto rasp a couple weeks ago funny enough. Not used it yet. Nice looking things.
Cheers. Looking forward to seeing how it does after a few years 👍
I’ve just used some of this for the soffit of a garden studio I’m building. Painted with Zinnser one coat and it looks decent. Hope it will hold up as advertised!
Cheers. Me too.
Yes, I was surprised as well but if it does what Medite says it does then fair enough. Great job as usual.
You looked rightfully pleased 😀
Cracking video as usual. The reasons you gave to justify what you used and why stack up. Hopefull this stuff gets a bit cheaper. A follow up video to see how it stands up would be great
Great idea about future video, I'll definitely do that. Cheers. I hope the cost comes down too although apparently they already can't keep up supply with the demand!
Some years back I built a batch of gates from Moisture resistant MDF and painted them and they worked great and as far as I know they are all still serviceable. And as you say the cost saving in time is massive. The one's I built were framed to give them some depth and V grooves so they looked like TGV panels.
🐼 Big Bear Hugs from a 67 yr old grandma in Kirby, Texas, USA 🐼
Well that's a pret grouse product, damn pricey though...
Great build, mate. 👍🏽
Looks far better than the ones you replaced.👌🏽
Where does he get those wonderful toys? - Joker
I must admit Keith that I am very envious of your brilliant Milwaukee tools. If I was to start again it would definitely all be Milwaukee gear.
I’m also open to bribes if you’re listening Milwaukee! 😂
This is definitely a one for the annual update for sure, would like to see how it copes with any sort of water/moisture/damp on the edges and around the hinges where the screws penetrated the skin, hopefully you can do that for us 👍
Will definitely do an update a year or two later, thanks for the idea
Looks great finished in paint - scary pricy though... Thanks for sharing it.
Looks better then it did before 👌🏻♥️
Can you do a gate update in around 30 years. I might not be here then but it’s the longest I can wait. I just want to reassure myself that not spending £250 on this stuff was in fact a smart move. Thanks 😜
I had no idea you could get exterior grade MDF I am going to look into this when I build a new gate for the side of my house. I was just going to use feather board which is what it has now. Great vid and il watch again when I’m building mine
I liked how you try to make a serious case for using MDF in outside situations. Then I had to go back and listen to the price several times to let it sink in (that's 5 sheets of 18mm birch ply). I remember when you used to go round finding discarded wood to use Keith, and even made videos on how to do this. Oh well, I guess I don't have to follow your recommendations.
I'm not recommending anything mate, nor trying to sell anything to anyone. Simply giving my own thoughts on what situations the material adds value. I still work with salvaged wood as much as I ever did so clearly you've not been paying attention
really neat job Keith! well done!
Great project again Keith... Nice one
Cheers Paul
Came up nice. Surprised you didn't use a router with a long length of scrap as the pivot piece to cut the arc at the beginning.
I must admit though, that is a very expensive sheet of mdf! I was contemplating looking it up until you mentioned that! I imagine it is more for industrial/commercial use than the home handyman
Yeah probably not for most DIYers unless the price comes down in time
Nice job but my priority would be the brick arch first
It seems so counter intuitive to use MDF externally. Id be very interested to see how the gates fair with the weather over the next year or two if you'd be able to do a follow up video sometime?
Love the content by the way. 😀
Sure I'll do an update 👍
Sometimes it really feels like that the UK is the land of MDF... :D
Interesting build. Glad you put the bracing on, both for looks and strength, since the scoring on both sides did create some nice "breaking points". Please get back to us in 50 years and let us know how it's holding up. Here (Denmark) a carpenter cost around £50 an hour, so this product could easily pay for itself.
Nice gate , Crazy product ! I’ve read about it but never tried it .
And great work Keith.
Would be interested to see what others can make a “regular “ or more common gate for .
. I typically can make a gate (1980x 800) for £60-70 pressure treated , framed ledge and braced , with Tounge and groove . It takes me approx 3 hours to make . Hardware I normally use is £25 . And because I’ve custom made it it take me under 30mins to fit.
Thank you. Wow that's really quick!! Curious, do you dry out pressure treated prior to use, or use it wet? I keep reading conflicting things, starting to think there is no right or wrong way!!
Rag 'n' Bone Brown hi Keith, it’s a refined process. I’ve been a carpenter for 21 years now.
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Here’s the gate I normally make. Just a screen recording .
If it’s absolutely dripping I typically let it dry a bit. Just so it’s easier to handle. But I use it as it comes . It’s all stored out side and lives outside. So doesn’t make much difference. I’ve seen some gates ive made after 8 years and still ok.
With the arch , looks like an elliptical arch , you couldn’t draw that from one reference point 🤷♂️? If I remember correctly.
Really enjoying the house renovation and again your gate is great . One thing a ring latch is sometimes better if it’s a thin gate , as all screws hit the braces . With the Suffolk latch the screw have to be very small for the bottom 2 or 4 screws , which can work loose . I always use gatemate now , strong and auto latch them selves .
Thanks for replying Keith 👍
Nice gate Keith but that price for an 8 * 4 sheet of MDF (even outdoor use) is madness. Add in the need to use acid resistant A4 stainless fasteners and it all gets a bit silly really.
Looks awesome thanks for the links great vid thanks for posting 👍
Original gate. Thanks for sharing the video. May we expect one or two table projects where the legs are parts of the old gate?
I really like the gate it might be expensive but what you pay is what you get 50 years guarantee !!!! Nice job !!!!!
lovely gate
I live in Suffolk but would definitely prefer a GateMate lock. Check them out!
Regarding MDF... Well I just couldn’t bring myself to use that product even at that price!
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Nice job 👍
That looks great. Have to agree with the points you made.
Nice job. Love the door.🌟🌟🌟🙂💙💙
Looks great and an interesting product
Drilling out the slot for the thumb lever was a good idea. However, I would suggest that you seal up the slot in the MDF with paint soon.
Good job👌🏼
I guess time will tell if this MDF is as good as claimed 😀
Did you seal the exposed surfaces when attaching the latch?
I'm having lots of issues with the external gates I built with swelling etc but the external doors I bought have the same problems. It was a nice design but I guess I'm more of a traditionalist because I prefer the gates with braces
Diagonal braces do you mean? I did consider adding one...
@@RagnBoneBrown yes I did mean diagonal braces. As a fairly new wood worker I actually enjoyed making my gates as I got to practise some joinery and other skills. I fitted an external combination lock to mine so I did need a thicker gate too.
It looks nice, but is it safe?
If someone give a kick or two to the door, Will the screws not get loose?
Or is this mdf different on that point?
Nice build bro, looks nice.
Greets Danny from Holland
Not to shabby for a diy job
You can lock that Suffolk latch by installing a metal wedge which would prevent the latch being lifted
Carpenter of 30yrs, Looks good and secure and your attention to detail is Impressive but for an exterior gate I don't think any client would plump for that at that cost then labour on top.
That's a fair point, but I think if the gates were bigger, or multiple of them, that might change
God damn it, literally ordered a Suffolk latch from amazon earlier and like you ended up on page 25,000 and all seem the same with crap reviews. Hopefully the one I got is decent like yours but now I can copy how you did it 👍
Went to the big box stores for one a few years ago, and all of them were terrible.
Nice job! Could make it look even beefier by gluing two sheets together to make a 36 (?) mm, or 1 1/2 inch here in the states.
Did you miss the bit where he said it was $350 a sheet?
@@markwarrington2788 HaHaHaHa
Hey, go big or go home! 🥴
@@pitsnipe5559A $700 mdf side gate. They used to steel the lead of roofs - it'l be our gates now!
Looked to me tongue and groove, nice 👌
Suffolk gate latch 👍. Unfortunately the irontite latch is “unavailable, don’t know when or if” on US Amazon. Thanks for the video.
Squirt some superglue into the slot.. It'll soak into the MDF and give that little bit more weatherproofing. I use thin superglue in mdf all the time; great combo
Very interesting video Keith. Why did you leave such a large gap at the bottom of the gate?
Explained in the video - rainfall splashback 👍
Looks really nice ^^
defently Vgroove would hsve stood out better and look more realistic to a gate join nice job anyway
I think I prefer the look of the kerf cut personally, V grooves look a bit too artificial to me. Each to their own though 👍
You mind you don't end up with your house being plumed using a Suffolk latch in Norfolk lol. Nice job.
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I had mdf outside for summer art under the gazebo and even with coats of Krylon clearcoat it started to mold in weeks. My wife buy thoses every summer its nice and cheap but doesnt last, seems to be like a sponge and mold get there very fast, very gross. an update after few months or a year would be nice to see if with paint it holds up.
Cheers great idea will do an update
Alright, thats the look, the smile, the walk of a happy man that just made a door for his home, yes!!! You are so funny. Looks great Keith good job, but why is it a free space at the botton of the door?
He said something about keeping the bottom out of the water to ensure it doesn't rot?
@@glasgowbeck thank you, I was worry about mouses...😣😣
Thinking of something similar. How's it holding up?
Jesus lol 8 X 4 X 18mm sheets of tricoya in Ireland is 140€🤣 and tricoya and the wood product accoya are the real deal. Joinery I work in if any product is going outside for painting accoya/tricoya is used. Because the only comeback from the job is none. It's simply that good. Only flaw of accoya in my eyes is the timber is very soft and brittle(easily chipped) if not careful when working with it. But thats the process of the timber to get it to that state.
Great timing - I need to plan a new gate for the bottom of my garden. Price is pretty much what I expected, but the arguments you make in favour of it do stand up, without a doubt.
My only question is why is there such a large gap between the gate and the ground?
Cheers!
Thanks Tim. I mainly left a gap at the bottom to prevent splashback from the rain. I think the recommendation is about 150mm from the floor, but that seemed excessive so I didn't leave quite that much! It's more about protecting the paint from moisture than the MDF itself as that should be fine getting wet👍 hoping I can get a few years out of the paint before I have to recoat 😀
Hehe cute waving .. thats neat job 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you
did you forget to turn you dust collector on for your table saw. wow that material is expensive. but it did look really good
OMG! MDF you can use outdoors!
Hi, I know that wood is expensive at the moment but that price puts that type of wood product well out of the reach of most DIY’s. I have not done any comparisons of other products like cedar or plywood, but normally plywood is the most costly material and this is way over the price of a sheet.
Hi great vids matey.where can I find the paint description.don’t know where the information box is you mentioned.I need some paint which will stick to some pallet furniture I made as nothing seems to stick and the weather just pops it off.kindest regards tim
I would of used the old gate as a template for size and shape 🤔
I would have loved to see your neighbours faces if they clocked you fitting that MDF gate. 😂
This is a good looking gate, Keith and I enjoyed watching you solve all of the difficulties that you faced in the construction. I was surprised to see you use nails in the cross member.
Why were nails a better choice over screws? I would automatically reach for screws. Should I consider using nails?
I would normally do the same however the crossmember is for decoration really and not structural. Nails will hold it till the glue dries.
Thanks. Decision to use nails was based purely on having no exterior screws that were the length needed, so just used what I had as the nails were galvanised 👍