You're Playing This Jet Wrong | F-105D War Thunder
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- This plane is a much better fighter than people give it credit for. No, it is not a bomber despite being in that tree, just like the MiG-17K isn't one either.
00:00 Intro
00:25 Bomrun Pain
00:39 No Flares
00:50 General Weaponry
2:22 Defeating Missiles Without Flares
03:00 Awareness is Key
04:15 Bombing is Worse for Gains
06:23 Fighting More Maneuverable Planes
07:11 Ground RB
08:05 PLEASE Subscribe
It means a lot to me :)
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For whatever reason I really enjoy Neglected/Underdog/Underestimated planes like this one here.
It's super fun, and I haven't seen anyone talking about it in quite some time. Imagine if it had flares too...
@@GeneralLee2000 if it had flares the test drive request to gaijoob would have already been sent. lol.
@@GeneralLee2000 take 14 bombs and 4 aim9e pop off the aim9e at all the flareless planes after bombing and then die to a su25 that targets you
Indeed one of the planes of all time
So true!
When I was flying SU25 some people were using rocket as flares(FFAR for example) and it was working well against R60M(~4 months ago).
Instead of wasting your missiles, you can just bring a rocket pod and fire that to distract the oncoming missile.
The Mirage III's are very fun to play right now as well, especially with the R-530's and Magic 1 shenanigans
I might have to play the Mirage 3 E at some point
0:25 absolutely made me weak xD
That was the goal!
You can use the dumb-fire rockets as a sort of limited shoot off flares
It's a ton of fun to play in sim with a VR headset, it's an absolute monster in a 1 turn fight, and anyone who tries to take it into a 2 turn you can disengage very easily
The cockpit is super cool too
the decal at the afterburner is the best
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with the custom loadout feature, imo the best option for f105d is 2x 3000lbs and 4x aim9e
It does not affect your performance that much, you are guaranteed to arrive first to a base (f4c accelerates faster but you can catch it if you are lucky with your high max speed) and since it can drop bombs above mach 1, you can keep your speed till the end and then climb to the fcken stratosphere
That’s how I play it does pretty well gets a ton of SL
Thats if the f4c doesn't climb to a few thousand meters. Once the air thins out its performance looks way up
I earn more silver lions in the F-105 running bombs than almost any other plane. Stay low, drop bombs, climb to space, and mop up.
Thanks for the video, I was interested in grinding for this thing but I just needed some confirmation that there was some light at the end of the tunnel 😅
It has the same issues as other flareless planes, at this BR, but I still really enjoy flying it and at least the plane is dummy fast to outrun most missiles. Glad you enjoyed!
I kill to bases in 1 run and get ez safe 1,6k points everytime. I usually get 1 kill or sometimes get more than 1 bomb run but it's so easy rp.
When I played this thing I ended up spading it with a 2.0kd playing it as a fighter in the smaller maps and during the very large maps I would bring a custom loadout with four missles and 750lb bombs. I would rush to the base and bomb on the large maps and then turn into a fighter or if someone tried to fight me unload the bombs and go for a fight. This thing is really good at avoiding mig21s while dodging and outrunning missles. With full performance upgrades it can outrun practically any plane at the BR. My first nation was Japan so I was used to flying the T2/F1 and it was very similar overall gameplay to those two aircraft.
Love the CHAD-105 ThunderCock, probably my favorite plane in the game. I usually run the 4 missiles plus 3 3000lbs bombs, i like the challenge of finding a safe approach vector to get your bombs up, and it's a fucking rocket after you drop, almost nothing can catch you if you don't want. I really like multirole gameplay, i try to support the team once i get the bombs out, if you set up your attack route correctly you're usually behind atleast a couple unsuspecting enemies after getting your bombs off that you can punish
I try do the same
And now the F-111 has 2k rounds with the vulcan, can carry far more bombs, can fly faster without its afterburner than this thing can with it, and is at a comparable BR. :)
1:09 as far as I know the F-105 and the A-7 corsair with 1028 and 1030 rounds respectively for the internal Vulcan hold the most ammo for that weapon of any jet, ever. Next closest jet is the F-15 with 940
It is a LOT of shells to put downrange
pretty sure the f4c has 1200 ammo on its vulcan and can carry 3
"internal"
@@waldek7772 Largest possible amount of 20mm shells in the f4c is 3600.
@@Trevor7608bro he said internal vulcan
I finally got the Mirage-2000! Roughly around 2 days ago, and I’ve been really enjoying it. I’m researched up to the magic 2s already. (I did insta GE flares for it, and the stock grind up into the good radar missile was a bit rough, but ah oh I’ve been enjoying it)
You were the gent who got the Mirage F1C-200 right? Good to hear the grind was smooth. Mirage 2K is a fun, if limited plane!
@@GeneralLee2000 yeah, but I didn’t have the F1C-200, only the tech tree variant which did halter my grind having to spade out multiple mirages but was still a fun experience and journey through the YT comments lol.
Really good video! 🙌🏻
Glad you liked it!
Best you can get out of it is using the fact that it doesn't have a speed limit on the bombs so you can drop up to 3 30000lb bombs one meter off the ground in ground RB
Hey nice video!!, it was entertaining!!
Thanks so much!
My biggest gripe with Thud is how wobbly it is when using mouse to aim the gun. Lack of rudder authority perhaps? Using keyboards for ailerons doesn't quite work either, as plane self levels so fast.
Also 2x3000lb bombs are enough to kill a base and you don't sacrifice performance as much compared to usual 14x750lb payload, which can kill two bases.
That said, my trick for bombing is very low level flight and drop bombs with CCRP. With 2x3000 you're still supersonic in level flight, Thud, unlike Phantoms, don't have mach 1 limit for bombs. With speed you can disengage then turn around for air targets of opportunity or RTB.
That intro was amazing
Jaek did an excellent job
That decal with the afterburner 💀💀
Thanks dude!
No worries! Glad you enjoyed.
Most importantly of all it has the BEST intakes of any jet known to man
SO REAL
My tactic: take 8 750lb bombs, chaff pod, and 2 winders
go up high so I’m less vulnerable, drop my bombs on a base from high up, then boom and zoom the enemy team to death lol
Didn't know this thing could carry missiles since I've only seen the f105 with bombs lol.
Ahahaha
You can average with 40k per game if you use one 1000lbs bomb and fill the rest with 14 750lbs bombs and chaff or rockets and fly high off to the side and wait for the bases to respond or go for them but make sure your far enough to the side for you to be out of danger then you line up with the bases and drop the 1000lbs bomb and 6 750lbs bombs and use the rest on another base don't die and you can do it twice a game so 4 bases in total.
My first supersonic and a true gem❤️
How do you have it to where you see the different variants of enemy aircraft? I.e. seeing the difference between F-5C and F-5E
You need to enable custom localization and then install a lang mod, there's guides on the forums
On release this thing was absolutely nuts, yet almost everyone used it like a bomb truck and got clapped by subsonics.
The F-4C, FG1 and FGR2 all get 1200 rounds in their belly-mounted vulcans.
Yeah I had a 5 KD back then! You're right, I should have specified I was talking about internal guns that don't add insane drag
didnt it used to have 4x20g missiles too
I use this plane when I need bases as part of my daily task (6 bases) or a special task, (20 bases). It's not about RP or SL. I can outrun almost every teammate going in 1.07 Mach and everyone going out at 1.17 Mach on the deck. I never get an overspeed warning and there is no Mach limitation about dropping my BL. The only thing that can beat me is a spaded F-111.
thunderchief gaming
real men fly at 12km with 2 minutes fuel remaining at Mach 2 over the battlefield (wink wink)
Can you make a sim video?
Nice vid btw, cool plane.
I'll probably do a vid talking about the sorry state of the sim economy at some point soon. Glad you enjoyed!
@@GeneralLee2000 thanks, was an informative video (hopefully the missile evasion thing will apply to my MiG 21 SPS-K since I use the gun...)
@@maxstonecro1 It will! You just gotta be a bit more careful since it bleeds more speed in a turn.
Interesting decal placement on the engine
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i was flying and looking behind me. i look away for ONE SECOND and a lightning pops up out of nowhere somehow and tags me with a red top how
Recently it has come to my atention that I've been playing this whole game wrong aparently you suposed to have fun, I'm only suffering.
😭 Hope it gets better man
No no that's the intended gameplay loop. You have to budget your SL for your "fun" matches 💀
I think the biggest outlier here is not having all the information that is being hidden. Like how many uptiers/downtiers did you have each game for both fighter and bombing mode. Did you have any outliers via the fighter gameplay say you had four games where you only got 2 or 3 kills then the last two you got 6 to 7 kills. To much information is being withheld to take this that seriously especially when being at 10.0 and facing plenty of mixed matches were A-10s and SU-25ks are constantly on the prowl.
I'm not here trying to discourage anyone from using the F-105D as a fighter which it can do easily, but your also a Mach capable attack aircraft when the majority of your games are going to be filled with F-5C's A-10s, and SU-25s of which all of late have been carrying bombs as well. It's a very informational video, but at the same time I've had more luck and average RP/Silver lion games using it as a bomber instead of as a fighter.
Also take my comment with a grain of sand since neither my playstyle or General Lees will work for everyone. He could just be better at dogfighting in general and I could be better at positioning myself to ensure that I bomb all the bases without dying.
I have to say I really appreciate you actually taking the time to make a well thought out comment, and that is totally fair. There's a lot of stuff up in the air, and TBH 6 games with each loadout is probably not actually enough. But my point was more that, at least with my stats the average gains are either equal, or better for playing as a fighter, and you don't have that portion of the game where you're loaded down with bombs and very vulnerable, you're in a much better position to actually perform well. You can also just take bombs after you RTB if you want. :) Really do appreciate you stopping by though!
0:26 masterfull editin
I know right!
Do what it was made to do fly low kill unsuspecting enemies and bomb bases. Idk why it doesn't have flares anymore it had flares in real life
Is it okay if i bomb to get the stock grind done easier and quicker
If you can reliably make it to the base sure, but you'll be even slower since you don't have the mods. Personally I would actually recommend staying fast and hitting ground targets, you get over 1000 rounds for the gun
I spawn as a fighter then when I re fit after for bomb 💣 run 😂
Fair and valid!
may you do a video reviewing the American 9.0br f86
I might at some point, I have fond memories of that plane
you made brother 6.77 subs and you have one more
Eyyyyy thanks bro!
What do I do if I'm grinding mods for the F105D? (I don't have AIM-9Es unlocked)
I would recommend going off to the side a bit, coming in from above with your stock AIM-9Bs and just firing them from a bit closer. Most of what I said in the video will still apply, you'll just be a bit slower than you are spaded. Ground pound using the gun CCIP when you can as well, 1000 rounds of M61 or enough for 30-50 ground targets in some cases, but I would still go for planes first and foremost
I havent seen the video yet, but i hope we get the F-105E with AIM-9J im the soon future
I would really like the F-105G with SEAD missiles
@@GeneralLee2000 oh no, the wind weasel not...
I Will love it ♥️
I have played a hundred plus matchs of f105, love it. Some in fighter mode and some in bomber mode. Mine also has a talisman and I must say bombs was way better for RP. you say it's time based but you gain RP from actions mostly and gain alittle from play time. Main thing is when people bomb they don't try to flank or stay hidden, then they die and get less rewards. In the A10 and su25 he'll meta that is mid teir jets it works best to side climb and dive bomb. Then use dive speed to GTFO before an aim9L gats you.
I do the same. I side climb gain some altitude wait for the game play out. Then bomb the bases. Enemies are already past their own bases so you can seek up, launch a 9E and get a kill or two. This does prevent me from dying to other players.
I just use the rockets as flares, works every time.
THUD LOVE WOOOOOOOOOO
I knew you'd like it :)
I run 3x2000 lbs and 4xAIM-9E and I do well. I climb and bomb at Mach 1.2- 1.5. I boom and zoom.
There is no reason to bomb in the 105 and die with it's repair cost. F4C bombs just as well.
Do you know if RP cap is really a thing?
RP cap is not, it's time based but there is no hard cap on the amount of RP you can get.
Actually I do mainly bomb runs and have high survivability.
"bombing in the F-105 is wrong"... Bro, it was literally called Thunderchief.. It was a fighter-bomber with fighting as a side thought...
Decided to play a game with this plane after a long time, placed first with 3 kills
Nice! People really underestimate it.
@@GeneralLee2000 the repair cost is still a pain tho, glad Gaijin finally decided to listen to the community and implement helpful changes
honestly iv got a buddy whos struggling to deal with his f5c hes constantly complaining about aim 9L and its gotten really into my nerves, can we get a video i can send him for tips
I made a video on the F-5C a bit back, would that work?
Such planes when played as fighter give a massive advantage to their team. I remember a match in which a couple of Su-7s went full fighter after dropping their bombs. They completely tipped the match on their team's favour, since most fighters on their team died after pulling idiotic full-commit head-ons.
"Waaaah but it's written Attacker on the vehicle card. It's not meant for that. I can't do it." F*ck off and git good. Most attackers can fight and a lot of them are very good at it.
B-105D
This is what bugs me about WT, EVERY Jet is now a fighter. The F-105 is technically a Fighter-Bomber, but it was really designed as a nuclear bomber. In Vietnam while it could carry Air to air missiles it rarely did. F-105 accounted for 28 kills (all Mig-17s) and every single kill was achieved by its 20mm gun, not its missiles.
9.7-10.3BR are saturated with aircraft that never carried AtA missiles IRL.
I would like to see Gaijin remove all AtA missiles from all strike Aircraft like the SU-25, A-10, F-105, A-6 because frankly its ruining the game.
repair cost is deadly tho
I remember when it just came out
It was ABSOLUTELY busted at 9.7 with an airspawn
@@GeneralLee2000 airspawn at near Mach 1 with an insane rp and sl multiplier. God tier money printer
now it’s.. eh for sl gains
inst it like actually 10 times more consistant to just no brain bomb???
In this plane specifically no because it lacks flares, so you get intercepted and missiled a LOT since the bombs slow you down too.
A decal man of culture as well I see (͠≖ ͜ʖ͠≖)
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Of course we are playing a strategic bomber wrong when we use it strategically to bomb bases… the thud is just in warthunder a fighter because they did the flight model completely wrong, it was described in real life as a flying brick…. And a fighter never killed me in that thing, 100% loss rate by Gepard AA lazing me out of the sky!
Also even looking around doesn't ensure spotting will work. I was doing my thing in an A-10 after killing an F-14(it was awesome) and doing loops around ground units gunning em. So I was literally looking 360 degrees around me almost constantly, and checking my minimap. I was by myself and making sure I was. According to what I could see There was no one near me for at least 25 miles, even friendlies. Right after I finished a turn and was going in for a gun run I got hit by an SU-25. Never showed up on my screen or minimap, despite constantly checking all around me to make sure I was safe to do so.
Of course I type "thanks spotting" like I do when this happens. Some guy replies "typical A-10 player"... yeah... typical A-10 player on his second match in the A-10 who killed an F-14... So typical..
Doesn’t it have a flair pod option only thing is I think you lose a pylon but I might run it like this for shits and giggles ha
It does not, only chaff in the pod
@@GeneralLee2000 ah the need for speed it is who needs flares when you have WEP
Stop trying to make a fighter out of my bomber.
It has F!!!! That means fighter!!!!
WHAT ABOUT CHAFF???
the FM is broken, should be a brick in real life
aim 9e used to be 15g
Thunder Cheeks.
Wow, I am so sorry. I thought I was subscribed with how much UA-cam was recommending your contents to me. Fixed now.
Thanks so much! No need to apoligize.
nope. i'm playing the jet the way i want which is perfect
Ok but what if you’re absolutely trash at dogfighting and getting air to air kills
I see no reason to play this over the f4c. You sacrifice a lot of firepower for that rip speed and that repair is painful
guh
Indeed!
Why not just use the F100 at that point?
Because the F-105 has a better gun and flight performance, and is much faster? Lol
@@GeneralLee2000 The guns are pretty similar; they use the same rounds, it's down to personal preference tbh
I'd still prefer having a much lower BR, if you want something that's faster than the F100 and has a vulcan, you could go for the F104 at 9.3
People bomb when they don’t want to play the game but still want to progress. Blame gaijin for making the game so grindy. And guess what, they are nerfing the economics again. What a joke.
In this case, their progression is actually hurt by bombing, just because of the lack of flares. These economy changes are super weird, some planes actually benefitted which makes no sense to me, the F-5E has a higher SL modifier than some of the rank 7 prems now...
@@GeneralLee2000 a couple of my friends who will bomb when they are watching stuff on the second monitor lol. Just mindless grinding. No brain power involved.
@@GeneralLee2000 It seems all aircraft with enough bombload (and CCIP?) to kill a base were considerably axed in gains just because they can farm bases.
Which probably will result spreadsheet warriors to move onto F-5E or F-8E with bombs "because extra gains"
Dont really care for gaming or update content for WT. I want content creators to join the player strike starting May 26th
They reverted the economy changes :P
Expect you're using it "wrong" the F-105 ThunderChief, often nicknamed the "Thud", was designed and built as a "Fighter/Bomber" meant to drop Nuclear ordnance on the target and get the hell out of dodge as fast as possible, granted if used this role there was 50% chance the pilot and aircraft would be lost in said mission, as it counted as a suicidal mission with a low chance of returning, funnily enough the S1 & S2 Buccaneers where actually designed with a similar mission in mind, expect the pilot would pitch straight up and kick / throw the bomb out the rotary bomb bay as they continued to roll on their back and fly back the way they came, but being subsonic meant the chance at coming back was even less.
the correct way to play is to not play it
I kill 2 bases in 1 run and get ez safe 1,6k points everytime. I usually get 1 kill or sometimes get more than 1 bomb run but it's so easy guaranteed rp.
No. Even with low payload for 1 base you cant destroy it fast enough. I just get a R-60M from mig-21/su-25 in the face at most times.
I will give you a like if you bomb walvis
Bomrun
Thud 101: I AM SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
when I was grinding in the German MiG-21 SPS-K which is a really shit plane only carried by the R-60's, I was able to grind very quickly because the brain dead US mains would be down low and slow bombing, it was like I was farming AI (to be fair 1 in 10 would be a Chinese bot).
BASE BOMBING DOESN'T WORK! sure you get your shiny new F-14B, but now what? You don't know how to use it and the argument "oh I'm a """FIGHTER BOMBER""" is bullshit, I used to bomb and it got me the F-4E when that was the top (fuck I'm old) when I used it as a fighter bomber and it rarely worked. And this was before PD RASAR or competent SARHM's.
So from the advice of a veteran player don't bomb it puts you low and it most cases you must be subsonic to drop making you very vulnerable mostly coz you need to look where you are flying. Also bombing is why half these things have repair costs around 15K SL, the other half... don't fricking know
Thud can stay supersonic and can drop ordnance without slowing down, though that requires lighter bombload than usual 14x750, its Phantoms that need to slow down.
And as side note, it seems typical base bombing capable aircraft had their economy nerfs just for that, which might result in dedicated fighters like F-5 taking up bombs "because spreadsheet says its most time efficient".
haha Hi
Hi
Or am i the only one playing it right?!
So real!
You shouldn´t fucking face all-aspect missiles with this plane though.
dont tell me what to do bish boy
So real!