For those of you who question the ref's calls, that ref is Eduardo Biao. He is one of IBJJF's BEST refs and he trains all of IBJJF's staff. He ref's and teaches BJJ officiating for a living and is not a recreational ref. He is a 3rd degree black belt and knows his BJJ. I would give him the benefit of the doubt.
Yes Alvarolz.I guess because BJJ used to be geared mainly for self defense When I trained in the nineties defending strikes was part of our practice. We were also encouraged to crosstrain with guys of different styles like Judo to understand the game. Gracie bros were black belts in Judo- Part of their game for sure. Now that sport BJJ has become so popular this sitting strategy can be much more effective because your always using 4 limbs and don't have to worry about punches or kicks.
cyborg never secured the top position after that "sweep", keenan came up with a near pass, went to take the back and then ended up on bottom. had keenan stayed down and cyborg came up when keenan went for that initial pass, then cyborg would've deserved to get the 2 points. upon re-watching it, the ref did call it wrong.
Problem with the sweep was that it wasn't a sweep. The sweep was countered and then Cyborg was defending the back attack. He didn't come on top from the actual sweep. The sweep was engaged and then became disengaged when it got countered. Then Cyborg came on top out of defense from a back attack when he was forced to turtle. That's not a sweep. Should've been advantage for Keenan, though he was about to get passed at the end. Why black belt matches are 10 minutes.
really good classic match...love both guys. Makes sense that keenan was already a beast at brown belt...still got that Lloyd Irwin logo on the gi too...musta been before he found out what a fucking nut job Lloyd Irwin was :/
Also: You could argue Cyborg went to his knees to try to sweep (which would mean 2 points for Cyborg and no advantage for Keenan) but I didn't see it that way, I think Cyborg was evading Keenan's pass. I've refereed at the IBJJF mundials and attended the rules seminar something like 10 times. This doesn't mean I'm right, just where I'm coming from.
Great Match !!!! Keenan is on fire... he looked the better man in this match, fought better than DJ Jackson in the final against Roberto Abreu... at least in my opinion it was better to watch this match than the finals..
This has to be in the top 10 for worst starts to a BJJ contest ever. Both of them just go and sit down. Can someone press restart on the BJJ competition scene please?!?
I disagree. Then it would be more about whos better at takedowns, like a judo/wrestling match. if you can't pull guard, then that totally defeats the purpose of bjj. Do you disagree?
I am pleased you can see the logic of my suggestion for a better guard pull rule. Perhaps someone from IBJJF or ADCC will read and consider it. We should also circulate the idea on the various BJJ sites to see if it can gain some traction.
Guess you do not make too many points by throwing someone, and because in the training basically everything starts from the ground, hence the trend. I personally think there should be some more up fighting, as it used to be (like judo).
This is not IBJJF its UAE JIU JITSU Championship Keenan was the best Purple Belt and is the best Brown Belt and will be one of the best black-belt but he lost this one sweep 2 points for Cyborg.
That is true. Even so, the alleged criminal actions of Maldonado and Schultz should not taint Lloyd Irvin's school. According to Lloyd Irvin, Maldonado had only been training at the school for 7 months prior to the alleged rape incident. Schultz had only been training at the school for one month prior to the alleged rape incident.
At 1:45 Keenan was stuck in Cyborg's RDLR/Tornado guard, Keenan attempted to pass to the back from this position. Since he never got back control and Cyborg ended up in the top position at 2:06 Cyborg was awarded 2 points for the sweep.
I think if you pull guard without grip fighting you should definitely lose a point. If you pull guard and immediately (less than a second) throw a bonda fide submission or sweep you should keep your point.
You know, that's simple, refreshing and REALLY smart, first time I read this specific suggestion in all the years reading discussion about guard pulls on boards and stuff. This would really settle it.. I REALLY hope somebody can present an idea like yours to Ibjjf or Adcc pro, it would got my vote every day of every week.
SeaTeaSnow Lol i agree with you if you say that to a white belt competition. Cyborg and Keenan? These guys already have enough takedown and other abilities to deal in real fight. They are doing double guard because 1. they both prefer guard, 2 it's a serious competition they both need to get into their best positions, 3 cyborg and keenan are no jokes. they are the best in the world. Watch keenan's recent video on smaller competition. I really surprise seeing him taking opponent down with kouchi gari, and so on. 4. even in that guard position, leg locks are widely open. Just like the guy under replied you, they can put heel hooks in any of that position in real fight. BJJ rule doesn't allow heel hooks, and it is difficult for these high level players to put leg locks to each other. And me myself even crushed a guys arm with flying armbar in the subway station, and double legged and knee on bellied another guy. Is Sport BJJ far from real fight? It works well. Very well
In my opinion, Keenan was in the process of passing Cyborg's guard when Cyborg went to his knees. At this point, it's an advantage for Keenan (article 5.7.2 ibjjf rulebook, first bullet point), and the guard no longer exists (therefore a sweep is impossible). Keenan also should/could have been awarded a second advantage for the choke if the referee believed cyborg was in real danger.
Points are not awarded from the takedowns initiated from the knees under IBJJF rules. Aside from the time, everything including the point system is all IBJJF based. Two points were misawarded. If you are forced to turtle and get the takedown, it is not points. I lost my third match at this years mundials bc I did not know this rule.
I agree. For starters, guard pulling at the start of the match should not be allowed. It is just stupid and comical to watch guys, often both guys, sit down to start a fight. Stopping this would also prevent a great many of the tie scores since somebody would have to score a take-down or throw at the beginning of the match. Next, it is ridiculous to get only a lousy advantage for applying a serious and sustained submission hold that eventually fails. It happens all the time.
If you don't like people pulling guard, doing 50/50 or trying to stay on bottom then you definitely do not understand jiu jitsu and need to focus on judo or wrestling.
I did not say take away ALL guard pulling. I said take it away to begin the match. This would mean a take down or throw would need to occur at the beginning of the match. After that, people can guard pull every chance they get. This would also greatly improve all of our Jiu-Jitsu. So many people pull guard mainly because they have no stand-up skills at all. BJJ, and fighting in general, is NOT just about sitting down.
It appears from Lloyd's letter that you are correct in that the case was not dropped by the prosecutor. It appears that the case may have gone to trial and Lloyd was found not guilty. He never said in this open letter that you referred me to that he was really up for it but unable to get an erection. Rather, he states that he did not rape anyone in this 1989 incident. I believe him too. I don't believe that he is a threat to any woman including any female member of my family.
man this is stupid. no finish. next match. no finish. next match. no finish.... im afraid ill get impotent by watching all those non finished fights... but seriously there should be a tournament with rules like "10 minutes. who gets the MOST subs, wins. if someone taps, restart immediately "
You don't think they would go for the kill if given the chance? They are playing at a tournament. Not rolling around for fun. If they make a mistake they pay for it immensely. Judo competitions does end after ippon.
ZiulzP im just saying they would strategize different. oh well i thought an ippon would just give you points, and then it goes on:( well thats how i meant it anyway for the format i suggested
I am sure they would strategize different but you have to consider this scenario: If they were going to go ONLY for most kills/submissions then you might end up seeing more people playing even more defensive after the very first sub.
I think Cyborg could tare Keenan apart without even using technique, Cyborg looked like he was warming up or something in this match but who knows, it´s just hard to imagine that he couldn´t do better, he was hardly trying to wrestle...
Cyborg wasn't passed though. He still needed to clear the inside knee. That can be difficult to do if you've ever been in that position against a Gumby flexible guy.
you do realise that any decent sport grappler would destroy an untrained man if it went to the ground with only a basic defense against punches,its very rudimentary but needs to be practised which 90% of bjj schools never do on an ongoing basis
I agree that there should have been no points for the reversal from the back, but i personally would have gave points for a pass. Cyborg was passed, Keenan is just extremely flexible. No points cause his long legs wrapped around around and barley touch a hip. haha, but Keenan is going to be the first Lyod Irvin champ Black belt.. that kid is talent
This is what's wrong with BJJ. There's nothing martial about two guys sitting around playing with each others pants and rolling around with their butts in the air. The rules need to change.
He was accused. He was not convicted. Remember, one is innocent until proven guilty in this country. He may be completely innocent of this alleged crime. The prosecutor did not believe there was any evidence so that is why the case was dropped against him. He should not be tainted with this allegation for the rest of his life either.
I doubt either one of these guys would slide onto their butts in a real fight but even if they did they'd be ripping the guys knees apart with a heel hook in the next five seconds. The difference between someone who practices grappling for hours every day versus an untrained person is too big to say something like they'd get beat up doing that on the streets. No they wouldn't. Starting from any position they'd submit an untrained person in seconds. ANY POSITION.
I love Jiu Jitsu as much as I can love anything, but I think this point system is a major bastardization of the art. Watch KC's first round match with Kit Dale at IBJJF '13 in every way Kit won that match but the decision favored KC. And honestly I find these type of point based matches boring to watch, no one goes for good subs because if they fail your opponent will get too many points for the defense.
Why is keenan always playing 50/50 guard? It annoys me so much. I think it's lame and it shows you're scared to try and pass. I hate those miyao matches. So boring. Such horrible demonstration of what bjj is supposed to be. If I watched this the first time I heard about BJJ I would think it was all about footsie.
One of the most boring BJJ fights I have ever seen. Cyborg and Keenan can be two of the best BJJ athletes in the world but it is a disgrace when they decide to play the points game. 6 minutes of no ONE submission attempt.
+Gustavo Vitolo ignorant. you don't just throw up submission attempts from neutral positions. it's always a battle when skill level is similar.. how do people not understand this.
Have to agree. 2 of the best in the world but the combo of points format and the slow pace of gi matches make it hard for anyone but the most hardcore bjj fans to enjoy. I know it's sacrelig to bad mouth the gi, but go watch EBI and then come watch this video again and tell me which you enjoyed more. I'd love to see elite level guys like Keenan and Cyborg in EBI because it's the best format (for entertainment value) around.
I agree with you Kempire. EBI is way much more exciting that the points game seen today. I have seen all 5 EBI and even after that, I still don't enjoy the stupid "legs holding" and points game seen today on Gi or No Gi events.
at their level, one mistake and it's over. Not everyone is Jeff Glover and will do crazy like let you mount him. I am not sure if he does it when points are on the line but he is confident enough in his jitz that he will give you anything damn near, work out of it and sub you. But you have a young hungry lion with and old one that certainly tried to get passed KC's guard but he was working that worm guard. He tried to work his game. Cyborg wasn't having it. It was a good match in my opinion. Good battles.
I love BJJ, but the fact they slide onto their butts shows how isolated their thinking is, and how improper sport BJJ can be when compared to actual martial arts grappling. You should never teach something that will end up getting you hurt if applied to a real fight.
Mark Maker bro it’s called pulling guard, well setting up to pull guard. Bjj and been proven many time before that it’s is superior in mma. Watch the early ufc and you’ll see.
@@cristianlugo7206 Also the only reason they are on their butts is the respect the other guy's guard. In a real fight, with mismatched skills, this would not happen.
For those of you who question the ref's calls, that ref is Eduardo Biao. He is one of IBJJF's BEST refs and he trains all of IBJJF's staff. He ref's and teaches BJJ officiating for a living and is not a recreational ref. He is a 3rd degree black belt and knows his BJJ. I would give him the benefit of the doubt.
No wonder why Polaris and other submission only contests came about
Yes Alvarolz.I guess because BJJ used to be geared mainly for self defense When I trained in the nineties defending strikes was part of our practice. We were also encouraged to crosstrain with guys of different styles like Judo to understand the game. Gracie bros were black belts in Judo- Part of their game for sure. Now that sport BJJ has become so popular this sitting strategy can be much more effective because your always using 4 limbs and don't have to worry about punches or kicks.
Rickson weeps at 0:02.
+EmpiricalPragmatist oo
+罗珊珊 funny
hahahahahaha
Is are the ADCC trials or a different tornament trials for the same org? some one!!!
What about it do you think needs to change?
cyborg never secured the top position after that "sweep", keenan came up with a near pass, went to take the back and then ended up on bottom.
had keenan stayed down and cyborg came up when keenan went for that initial pass, then cyborg would've deserved to get the 2 points. upon re-watching it, the ref did call it wrong.
Problem with the sweep was that it wasn't a sweep. The sweep was countered and then Cyborg was defending the back attack. He didn't come on top from the actual sweep. The sweep was engaged and then became disengaged when it got countered. Then Cyborg came on top out of defense from a back attack when he was forced to turtle. That's not a sweep. Should've been advantage for Keenan, though he was about to get passed at the end. Why black belt matches are 10 minutes.
FYI: Keenan lost this match on a bad call. He should have won on advantages.
Both these guys are awesome competitors but did they absolutely have to play the foot grab game to begin the match?
+LJSJIUJITSU why does it matter.. it only lasted 1 minute anyway. plus the berimbolo game is interesting once you actually understand it.
hows that? cyborg swept him at 2;05 when keenan went for the back and failed. i didnt see any other points
This was a surprisingly cuddly match.
Double guard pull is caring.
really good classic match...love both guys. Makes sense that keenan was already a beast at brown belt...still got that Lloyd Irwin logo on the gi too...musta been before he found out what a fucking nut job Lloyd Irwin was :/
where was the 2 points given?
Also: You could argue Cyborg went to his knees to try to sweep (which would mean 2 points for Cyborg and no advantage for Keenan) but I didn't see it that way, I think Cyborg was evading Keenan's pass. I've refereed at the IBJJF mundials and attended the rules seminar something like 10 times. This doesn't mean I'm right, just where I'm coming from.
Great Match !!!! Keenan is on fire... he looked the better man in this match, fought better than DJ Jackson in the final against Roberto Abreu... at least in my opinion it was better to watch this match than the finals..
This has to be in the top 10 for worst starts to a BJJ contest ever. Both of them just go and sit down. Can someone press restart on the BJJ competition scene please?!?
I disagree. Then it would be more about whos better at takedowns, like a judo/wrestling match. if you can't pull guard, then that totally defeats the purpose of bjj. Do you disagree?
Bad call from the Ref. Keenan won that match on advantages. Both guys are amazing.
two guys pulling guard at the same time...awesome :)
+Manne Feroz lol I thought the same thing
I am pleased you can see the logic of my suggestion for a better guard pull rule. Perhaps someone from IBJJF or ADCC will read and consider it. We should also circulate the idea on the various BJJ sites to see if it can gain some traction.
Guess you do not make too many points by throwing someone, and because in the training basically everything starts from the ground, hence the trend.
I personally think there should be some more up fighting, as it used to be (like judo).
This is not IBJJF its UAE JIU JITSU Championship Keenan was the best Purple Belt and is the best Brown Belt and will be one of the best black-belt but he lost this one sweep 2 points for Cyborg.
That is true. Even so, the alleged criminal actions of Maldonado and Schultz should not taint Lloyd Irvin's school. According to Lloyd Irvin, Maldonado had only been training at the school for 7 months prior to the alleged rape incident. Schultz had only been training at the school for one month prior to the alleged rape incident.
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Why is an experienced black belt scared of a 21 year old brown belts guard?
At 1:45 Keenan was stuck in Cyborg's RDLR/Tornado guard, Keenan attempted to pass to the back from this position. Since he never got back control and Cyborg ended up in the top position at 2:06 Cyborg was awarded 2 points for the sweep.
I think if you pull guard without grip fighting you should definitely lose a point.
If you pull guard and immediately (less than a second) throw a bonda fide submission or sweep you should keep your point.
After the first 2 points Cyborg played it safe and just held on.
You know, that's simple, refreshing and REALLY smart, first time I read this specific suggestion in all the years reading discussion about guard pulls on boards and stuff. This would really settle it.. I REALLY hope somebody can present an idea like yours to Ibjjf or Adcc pro, it would got my vote every day of every week.
SeaTeaSnow Lol i agree with you if you say that to a white belt competition. Cyborg and Keenan? These guys already have enough takedown and other abilities to deal in real fight. They are doing double guard because 1. they both prefer guard, 2 it's a serious competition they both need to get into their best positions, 3 cyborg and keenan are no jokes. they are the best in the world. Watch keenan's recent video on smaller competition. I really surprise seeing him taking opponent down with kouchi gari, and so on. 4. even in that guard position, leg locks are widely open. Just like the guy under replied you, they can put heel hooks in any of that position in real fight. BJJ rule doesn't allow heel hooks, and it is difficult for these high level players to put leg locks to each other.
And me myself even crushed a guys arm with flying armbar in the subway station, and double legged and knee on bellied another guy. Is Sport BJJ far from real fight? It works well. Very well
Yeah beacause it is easy to submit Keenan... Even Rodolfo couldn´t submit him. I wanna see you all talkers fighting Keenan Cornelius and submit him.
@@Bigislatndbigfoot Keenan would probably strike and not rely on all of it tho especially if his level is that high damn
In my opinion, Keenan was in the process of passing Cyborg's guard when Cyborg went to his knees. At this point, it's an advantage for Keenan (article 5.7.2 ibjjf rulebook, first bullet point), and the guard no longer exists (therefore a sweep is impossible). Keenan also should/could have been awarded a second advantage for the choke if the referee believed cyborg was in real danger.
Points are not awarded from the takedowns initiated from the knees under IBJJF rules. Aside from the time, everything including the point system is all IBJJF based. Two points were misawarded. If you are forced to turtle and get the takedown, it is not points. I lost my third match at this years mundials bc I did not know this rule.
I agree. For starters, guard pulling at the start of the match should not be allowed. It is just stupid and comical to watch guys, often both guys, sit down to start a fight. Stopping this would also prevent a great many of the tie scores since somebody would have to score a take-down or throw at the beginning of the match. Next, it is ridiculous to get only a lousy advantage for applying a serious and sustained submission hold that eventually fails. It happens all the time.
So many comments about points and advantages...............
If you don't like people pulling guard, doing 50/50 or trying to stay on bottom then you definitely do not understand jiu jitsu and need to focus on judo or wrestling.
There is no bad call. Everything is scored the way it should be.
It's only gay if you make eye contact with the scoreboard/clock.
In IBJJF, sweep or takedowns that someone does from their turtle guard do not get points. In this sense, the turtle is not a guard.
I did not say take away ALL guard pulling. I said take it away to begin the match. This would mean a take down or throw would need to occur at the beginning of the match. After that, people can guard pull every chance they get. This would also greatly improve all of our Jiu-Jitsu. So many people pull guard mainly because they have no stand-up skills at all. BJJ, and fighting in general, is NOT just about sitting down.
I stand corrected. You may be right about that.
Dave Stanton
It appears from Lloyd's letter that you are correct in that the case was not dropped by the prosecutor. It appears that the case may have gone to trial and Lloyd was found not guilty. He never said in this open letter that you referred me to that he was really up for it but unable to get an erection. Rather, he states that he did not rape anyone in this 1989 incident. I believe him too. I don't believe that he is a threat to any woman including any female member of my family.
not boring to me, very technical fight, cuz these guys who sit down alot are VERY hard to deal with
man this is stupid. no finish. next match. no finish. next match. no finish.... im afraid ill get impotent by watching all those non finished fights...
but seriously there should be a tournament with rules like "10 minutes. who gets the MOST subs, wins. if someone taps, restart immediately "
Issue with what you are saying is that you are assuming that professionals are willing to get tapped that fast.
ZiulzP
the rules i suggested would atleast make them go for the kill while defendling less.
judo does not end after the first ippon too, if i am right
You don't think they would go for the kill if given the chance? They are playing at a tournament. Not rolling around for fun. If they make a mistake they pay for it immensely. Judo competitions does end after ippon.
ZiulzP
im just saying they would strategize different.
oh well i thought an ippon would just give you points, and then it goes on:(
well thats how i meant it anyway for the format i suggested
I am sure they would strategize different but you have to consider this scenario: If they were going to go ONLY for most kills/submissions then you might end up seeing more people playing even more defensive after the very first sub.
They should use their own point system since they aren't the IBJJF.
My point is, if you get the sweep, you'll still be up by one point. If you get the sub, you just won, so it doesn't matter.
I think Cyborg could tare Keenan apart without even using technique, Cyborg looked like he was warming up or something in this match but who knows, it´s just hard to imagine that he couldn´t do better, he was hardly trying to wrestle...
Two that got caught because of a camera. Who is to say that was their first time?
Cyborg wasn't passed though. He still needed to clear the inside knee. That can be difficult to do if you've ever been in that position against a Gumby flexible guy.
yes unfortunatly i have seen the brazillians get favored in these tourneys against americans its like they hate when an american beats a brazillian
you do realise that any decent sport grappler would destroy an untrained man if it went to the ground with only a basic defense against punches,its very rudimentary but needs to be practised which 90% of bjj schools never do on an ongoing basis
That wasn't a sweep.
This why we want have nice things, jump straight to double guard pull. FFFUUUU
Two criminal students shouldn't taint an entire school.
I agree that there should have been no points for the reversal from the back, but i personally would have gave points for a pass. Cyborg was passed, Keenan is just extremely flexible. No points cause his long legs wrapped around around and barley touch a hip. haha, but Keenan is going to be the first Lyod Irvin champ Black belt.. that kid is talent
Diving leg drag from north south. That's a first.
Keenan won though
his guard was passed.
kennan brown? amazing talent.
0:02 double no-touch KO
both men recover quickly
This new BJJ game is so different . They start sitting. Very strange
This is what's wrong with BJJ. There's nothing martial about two guys sitting around playing with each others pants and rolling around with their butts in the air. The rules need to change.
Trouter Smith they did change the rules. It's called mma. Go watch it, whiny ass.
He was accused. He was not convicted. Remember, one is innocent until proven guilty in this country. He may be completely innocent of this alleged crime. The prosecutor did not believe there was any evidence so that is why the case was dropped against him. He should not be tainted with this allegation for the rest of his life either.
o gringo tem um estilo muito bom de lutar
guarda perigosa e ofensiva demais,muito bom. Oss
wow! USA is putting out some good BJJ fighters! Great job Keenan
I agree...
they need to get closer if they tryin to kiss. nah mean?
I doubt either one of these guys would slide onto their butts in a real fight but even if they did they'd be ripping the guys knees apart with a heel hook in the next five seconds. The difference between someone who practices grappling for hours every day versus an untrained person is too big to say something like they'd get beat up doing that on the streets. No they wouldn't. Starting from any position they'd submit an untrained person in seconds. ANY POSITION.
it wasnt adcc it was abu dhabi
Guard pulling is fine-you should just lose a point for doing it. Just my opinion.
finally someone with a brain
I love Jiu Jitsu as much as I can love anything, but I think this point system is a major bastardization of the art. Watch KC's first round match with Kit Dale at IBJJF '13 in every way Kit won that match but the decision favored KC. And honestly I find these type of point based matches boring to watch, no one goes for good subs because if they fail your opponent will get too many points for the defense.
He thinks it needs to be changed so Cornelius wins next time...
youll love bjj ...
Keenan got screwed here
Modified score:
Abreu A
Cornelius
cyborg approached this match wrong
Few things are more cringe-worthy than the double guard pull.
Pathetic to watch 2 elite grapplers pull guard
cant believe cyborg didn't crush that nerd
why, bc he's bigger?
matt hardy is the man
Keenan is bad ass
No need to guess. You should be able to figure that one out. Just look at my photo on my profile.
at 0:03 I stopped watching...always the same shit with K.C.
Why is keenan always playing 50/50 guard? It annoys me so much. I think it's lame and it shows you're scared to try and pass. I hate those miyao matches. So boring. Such horrible demonstration of what bjj is supposed to be. If I watched this the first time I heard about BJJ I would think it was all about footsie.
Somebody needs to start throwing heel hooks or something here; this is very strange.
Heeeeeeeeyyyy
One of the most boring BJJ fights I have ever seen. Cyborg and Keenan can be two of the best BJJ athletes in the world but it is a disgrace when they decide to play the points game. 6 minutes of no ONE submission attempt.
+Gustavo Vitolo ignorant. you don't just throw up submission attempts from neutral positions. it's always a battle when skill level is similar.. how do people not understand this.
Have to agree. 2 of the best in the world but the combo of points format and the slow pace of gi matches make it hard for anyone but the most hardcore bjj fans to enjoy. I know it's sacrelig to bad mouth the gi, but go watch EBI and then come watch this video again and tell me which you enjoyed more. I'd love to see elite level guys like Keenan and Cyborg in EBI because it's the best format (for entertainment value) around.
I agree with you Kempire. EBI is way much more exciting that the points game seen today. I have seen all 5 EBI and even after that, I still don't enjoy the stupid "legs holding" and points game seen today on Gi or No Gi events.
at their level, one mistake and it's over. Not everyone is Jeff Glover and will do crazy like let you mount him. I am not sure if he does it when points are on the line but he is confident enough in his jitz that he will give you anything damn near, work out of it and sub you. But you have a young hungry lion with and old one that certainly tried to get passed KC's guard but he was working that worm guard. He tried to work his game. Cyborg wasn't having it. It was a good match in my opinion. Good battles.
Two elite fighter. It's pure strategy and chess moves with the high belts usually
luta amarrada os atletas não querem arriscar muito
5:08 se tivesse quebrado esse quadril hein tinha passado
this crap is so boring...... seriously so glad keenan got disqualified at adcc
Watched the first 5 seconds and had to stop. Embarrassing.
hate that double guard pulling. boring !!!
Hate that lazy 50/50 shit or whatever it is they call it. It is just plain boring to watch.
50 50
Didn't enjoy this.
I love BJJ, but the fact they slide onto their butts shows how isolated their thinking is, and how improper sport BJJ can be when compared to actual martial arts grappling. You should never teach something that will end up getting you hurt if applied to a real fight.
Mark Maker bro it’s called pulling guard, well setting up to pull guard. Bjj and been proven many time before that it’s is superior in mma. Watch the early ufc and you’ll see.
@@cristianlugo7206 Also the only reason they are on their butts is the respect the other guy's guard. In a real fight, with mismatched skills, this would not happen.
Keenan was robbed
double guard pull Yawn