trash boat I don't necessarily think he's evil, he is just trying to find purpose, it's Weylands fault he's like this, he made him a human in a robot body.
Why is nobody addressing the chestburster scene? It didn't look like a regular worm-like chestburster, it was just a tiny xenomorph. I suppose it was that way because it was the first xenomorph?
A few of the points in the movie that made me question the crew's intelligence: Find an alien planet with Earth music transmission and Earth plant life but don't question why nobody knows anything about it? Maybe it's a trap! On an alien planet when crew members suddenly get very ill. Immediately get as close as possible to help ill crew back to the safety of the ship. Do they have no idea how illness spreads or question why they are suddenly so ill? Get attacked by very quick and very deadly alien creatures. Get to safe place and immediately walk off alone to wash up. Sketchy android admits to genetic experiments and decides to share creations. Get as close as possible to living and moving experiment because sketchy android said it's safe. Talk to "Walter" after his fight with David and notice the scratches on his cheek. Even help him to staple said scratches on cheek. Never question why he isn't self healing like he should be doing!
Here's what I think happened: David's Xenomorphs are a combination of the Engineer's desires to recreate Xenomorphs and David's meddling, but they're not true Xenomorphs. The Engineers discovered them on one planet and tried to take a few of their eggs and when that failed, they attempted to recreate them using their DNA, but they were unsuccessful. David stumbles upon what the Engineers were trying to recreate through trial and error. The Xenomorphs in Alien 1, Aliens, and Alien 3 were all natural Xenomorphs. The Predator Xenomorphs (the ones used in the pyramids and that escaped into the human town), the Deacons, and the David Xenomorphs are all recreated Xenomorphs.
This movie was like stopping by the gas station for some snacks on the way to a fancy restaurant . Sure it satisfies some of your hunger before getting the full meal but in hindsight it probably would've been better to skip the snacks and head straight to the restaurant and just eat a bit more when you get there.
I am a fan of the theory that the Xenomorphs are an ancient race that the engineers worshipped in a way and that David, using the Engineer knowledge he gained over the last 10 years, is trying to recreate them.
Thought the movie was good though my general alien knowledge limits to the original alien, I have seen all of them but it's been so long since Prometheus that I recognized Elizabeth and David, but I would say watch all of them before this and you should defiantly enjoy it but I also thought it should have been more scary, like I would love a more horror centric side story
The problem with Ridley Scott's cinematic vision and all subsequent Alien Movies is that Scott is tasked to interpret the Bio-Mechanical style of Visionary H.R. Giger. What we're seeing here is the process of REVERSE Engineering Giger's artistry which is causing such Convulsion in terms of the What, Where, Why and Whens. That fact that Scott ALSO has the burden of satisfying Movie goers and Producers doesn't help much. One seeks the viscera, gore and suspense from the Original film and the Latter simply seeks filled seated and revenue in spite of the film's continuity. Prometheus and Now Convenant only serves to pose more questions than to answer them unfortunately. And as they attempt to whet my appetite for future installments with open endings and deeper rabbit holes, I find I'm less enthused even if STILL curious.
Thank you for reminding everyone about the Alien imagery in Prometheus. Also, can someone explain to me how the second one got the ship? Keeping it vague for people who think this is a actual review of the movie.
I don't get what was so "disappointing" about this movie like some critics have said. I absolutely loved this movie. The reason we didn't get the Prometheus "pay off" was because David wasn't interested in that. He deemed his interests superior and ultimately sacrificed his love for Shaw to use her reproductive organs to make the Xenomorph eggs. So we don't know if Shaw got the answers she wanted or not. Maybe we'll see that stuff in the directors cut... hopefully!
Don't eggs require a queen? I kinda thought David created a queen out of Elizabeth (metaphorically) given his love for her. My take is he grew the eggs on her given his obsession with procreation... then he grew them in the basement and hence Elizabeth was the first "queen" alien... because THERE ARE NO EGGS without a queen alien.
Prometheus was good and had a cool concept/story, but everyone had a little cry that it wasn't enough like alien and forced Ridley Scott's hand in wiping away the story he wanted to tell. Because unfortunately film makers aren't allowed creative freedom anymore.
I feel like the Xenomorph wouldn't have killed the crew if they had just given it an ice cold Pepsi. It just wants to crack open a cold one with the boys.
GoingToHeaven They could make it like an Easter egg hunt except their ice cold pepsis or put pepsis on fast mobile robots that randomly drive around and hide in any environment they are introduced to,
Well it explains why they didn't have the same cryo chambers as Alien and Aliens. Ridley probably wanted to imply that these had so many issues that they switched to those in the future
That would be an interesting idea, but still. It's 2k fucking 104. And they couldn't handle a fire. Inside of a cryopod, which in theory "freezes" people to slow the body down. Yes, I'm no engineer, but how the fuck do you go from "freeze" to FIRE! within seconds? And how exactly do future people not think that a fire could start during a however long mission? It requires one hell of a suspension of disbelief to just overlook that.
Lol yeah true. I did see some type of gas filling up the chamber. Who knows how long they've had cryo chambers though. 2102 is not even 100 years from now so they were probably quite new in Prometheus. I was more concerned about how the time passed in Covenant. IT felt too fast between characters getting infected and the aliens popping out of them
I really don't get this idea of modern sci fic where everyone smart enough and fit enough to be selected for a colonization mission to space is a complete dumbass straight out of a slasher flick. I mean a shower sex scene? For real? Was this written by the writers of the Friday the 13th series? Stick your mug in front of this organic looking egg because I say it's okay. Oh suuuuuure, that's not suspicious at all. Fucks sake, at least in the original alien you had the person who ended up being clever enough to survive being shown as smart enough to keep the guy with the unknown organism on his fucking face off the ship, you know because of the goddamn protocols that are actually in place in the event of encountering an unknown pathogen. I'm utterly amazed at some of the excuses I've seen people use to give this shit show a pass. I'm sorry but this is Lex Luthor creates a huge rage monster to beat up superman stupid level of screen writing. What's David think is going to happen? He's going to create a species that cannot communicate in any way, only knows how to kill anything that moves, yet is reliant on other species to procreate. Then it's going to rip him to pieces, and stagnate on whatever planet is the last one he takes them to. Greaaaat plan R2 douchebag.
Batman Laughed Except humanity is dying and they can't afford to only send the smart ones to colonize a planet... And I don't think you even understood David if you think he wanted to create the aliens as a weapon or some shit.
Batman Laughed finally someone talking sense. -_- god people are dumb. They come up with crazy logics just to fit in. "Oh I like all the alien movies.. I'm so cool".
Did anyone else have to choke back a laugh when, instead of a xeno-larva chest-burster, an itty-bitty fully formed xenomorph just stood up out of the guy's chest and practically went "mama!" to David?
This movie totally screwed up the alien biology life cycle. It just made up alien forms willy nilly . Alien spores that can be breathed into the airways. Just total nonsense.
Meh. I feel this one was more psychological horror with David. The other cyborgs have never been this complex. The cyborg in the original was just "DO WHAT WEYLAND SAYS. MUST KILL. MUST KILL." Bishop in Aliens was more or less the same as Arnold's character from Terminator 2. David on the other hand learned how to create, and took it to an unnatural obsession because of him judging his creator as inferior.
+Krusty Krab I liked it more than Prometheus. I also see it as some poor writer's struggle at attempting to clean up Damon Lindelof's mess that was Prometheus's script. Sort of like how for Alien 3, David Fincher had to make a movie around the restrictions of a frustrated studio that wasn't thinking clearly.
Xenomorphs, face suckers comes out kills, comes out kills, comes out kills.. such repetitive BS. Prometheus had a nice feeling about adventure and unknown territories.
+Abdullah Al Sayeed Prometheus went against everything that made Alien a good movie. It didn't need to have Xenomorphs or facehuggers to be good. In fact, if only a bunch of shots/scenes had been cut from the film, it could've been a lot better. But the more I think about the film as it is, the less I like it.
Visually stunning. Predictable and average. I swear James Preslipsky and I knew what was going to happen before it happened. "Let's touch this strange plant" Well, he's dead. "I need to take a leak" Well, he's dead. "I'm going check out that noise" Well, he's dead. "Oh look the alien is dead and we are safe!" Let me guess... one snuck on and you're going to have to blow it out the airlock.... just like in Alien, Aliens, and Alien Resurrection.... yep... you did it again... YOU DID IT ALLLLL AGAIN!!!!!! The sad part is that there was a good looking movie in there. But it was a five minute flashback of what could have been an interesting Prometheus 2, but no. People complained of the lack of Aliens so you scrapped that and made another alien movie. Not saying it's a bad movie, just saying I've seen this shit four times already and you did nothing new. The movie gets a C from me. And that's almost solely on visuals.
Agreed. So many people hated Prometheus (I personally loved it), and yeah, it didn't have Aliens, but it was still connected in a loose way. Main important thing was it tried something NEW rather than being a rehash. You gotta appreciate risking something new. Whether the new is good or bad is of course important, but at least an attempt was made. Covenant was just the same thing all over again with prettier graphics. Tired and boring (even if Fassbender was awesome, per usual).
U are right . So predictable that it feels childish . Stupid mistakes , trained scientist acting like foolish infants .. What a disappointment . I feel like David after watching this .
Crew land on strange planet --> Do some dumb shit --> Most die off --> There's a sketchy android --> Survivor uses an airlock --> Survivor goes into cryosleep --> Rinse & Repeat
Wesley Tomsky So get that David formed some type of God complex but why kill the Engineers and create Xenomorphs? Also we really don't see him form his complex it felt like daddy issues. Also I hate the fact that some asshole stepped on a plant, it released some dust, the dust traveled to its ear, then 5 minutes later an alien craws of his back. And in seconds it grows and wants to kill humans
Bernardo Jr. Miranda well it's a parasitic virus on a larger scale. That's all cancer, the flu, polio and smallpox do. Attack, multiply, and kill host.
+Cameron Belgrade That made for a great twist though. Shaw was pretty forgettable as a character, so I really didn't care seeing her get killed off. Honestly, Prometheus was the real big mistake imo.
As shaw went in into alien ship, was equal to death. I some felt, this is goodbye to her. So the emotional spoodfeeding for her death was not necessary.
I was really sad when Shaw was killed off too, but she trusted David. That was her big mistake. David basically plays the role of the Devil is these movies. He convinced Shaw that she needed him, that she could trust him, and he murdered her. She should have smashed his head in at the end of Prometheus, but she took it with her. After she made that decision, her fate was pretty much sealed.
In Prometheus they were so concerned about there being breathable air but on this film they walk right on out the ship like.... and then... oh look wheat, on a distant alien planet how uninteresting! And those sort of moments are when you realise you're on a downward slope
This movie was such a disappointment. The Engineer storyline was built up so well and Scott just killed it. Who cares about Xenomorphs they have like 6 movies already the engineers are far more interesting
Robby Atwood I know right. I thought we were going to get a movie continuing the adventures of David and Shaw as they journey to the engineer home planet. Unfortunately, alien fanboys have to ruin it all with their moaning.
Can't believe i'm saying this but Danny McBride was a true bad ass in this movie. He can be a good actor given the right role. I only wish Seth Rogan was the ALIEN.
I'm still trying to gather my thoughts about this movie. I saw it last night. The Walter/David scenario was predictable for me, but I liked how Kathrine's character realizes this too late before going into cryo sleep. I felt bad for her, Tennessee, the colonist's' future. I think I am a little jaded on how the third act went down and how David killed Shaw, that I didn't really have a strong reaction at the end
LaTosha Love in all honesty I think the film as a whole is enjoyable really well filmed well but I think the ending kinda worries me a bit because i like both these characters. I would hate to see another sequel where they kill em off like they did with Hicks and Newt or Elizabeth Shaw. I like where the series is going but I don't want them to fumble the ball.
What should have happened is Shaw and David land and are taken in by the Engineers, the signal is sent and the new crew arrives. Shaw explains all the answers that were left unanswered from Prometheus, meanwhile David has been bio engineering the Xenomorphs. Whilst Shaw and the crew are there David releases the weapon, killing all the Engineers. The Xenomorphs then hunt down most of the crew, leaving only Shaw and the new main woman alive. David does the Walter impersonation etc and then they go into cyro-sleep whilst he has the eggs. He then sets course for that new planet.
qascarface yeh I was thinking that should've happened. or maybe they get to the planet with the engineers and they show david experiments with the black goo and they create the xenomorph together and david unleashes it on the planet then obviously the crew get there because of a distress signal and chaos begins
Ha I posted my own idea before reading yours. Honestly, either one would be better than the actual movie. I think you still portray the Engineers as uptight, condescending, "I am better than you b/c I made you". Either they all die or abandon the planet, and David, before Covenant arrives.
what people want : David and Shaw at the engineers plant what people get : boring crew, Shaw death , David is a creep. no explanation to the engineers.
@@CurtieMac Way late on my comment too, but that's pretty much exactly how they left off Prometheus as a cliff-hanger for the next movie and we waited (4?) years for answers to those amazing questions they asked in Prometheus...which story-wise they really failed to cash-in on w/Covenant.
And the most advanced civilization in the universe was basically just a backwater Greece rip off. No buildings or technology in sight. It was such a disappointment. The only thing worse than that was the fully CGI Xeon that looked so fake that it was dumb.
We'll I just got back from seeing Alien Covenant and... meh. The movie was enjoyable, fast-paced, filmed beautifully and I did get scared in some parts. However, I really wish Niel Blomkamp's Alien Project wasn't canceled because I want to see one last adventure with Ripley, Hicks, and Newt. That's really what I want.
Peter McIntyre Oh without a doubt through one of his roles he makes which he would cast Eminem for. Then after the used sets from Halo he will ram it home with shots of poor people and Hicks saying what have we become. Will the plot work? Nope! but ERNAGHERD CERNCERPT DESIGNS THOOO
Anyone else feel like they're more engineer planets? For a civilisation so advanced that can create life and space travel why is there only one small city and that's it? Trying to tell me their population is like a few hundred thousand and that's it? So maybe they can go to a planet David does something there then there ship crashes on LV what ever
That's what I thought as well. The Engineers in Covenant looked more like a mix between the Engineers in Prometheus and modern humans. I don't think that the planet they found was the original Engineer, but a major Engineer colony
Really wanted to know what happened to Dr. Shaw. If Ridley was smart, he wouldn't have scrapped her storyline, and this movie could've been about Shaw and David on the Engineers planet and how she slowly starts to realize David's intentions of experimenting to create the perfect organism, instead of being killed off in between movies. That way, she would end up getting her answers, and we would have a tense sci-fi horror movie because slowly we see David becoming a(n) antagonist rather than just being left to fill in the blanks ourselves. Alien: Covenant was a missed opportunity, I would really like to have seen Shaw find out that David was the one who infected Dr. Holloway in Prometheus, and see her character realize that she's going to suffer the same fate or worse. Missed opportunity.
Steven Ortiz I have to disagree, not seen this one but for pure enjoyment I liked alien 3 and even resurrection better than Prometheus, as I could actually sit through another viewing of those movies. That said, I like AvP better than either of them because it's dumb fun and pretty rewatchable
He is driven to create, this is a core part of the themes present. About the need the engineers felt, then humans felt, then now David as humans creation feels the need to do. He already sees humans as doomed so he travels to a less sophisticated seed planet (earth would have shoot the ship down before it could do anything) where he kills everyone there so he may start experimenting and create what he thinks is new life. The irony is it is just a variation of what the engineers already made.
Seriously?! They gave up on the Xenomorph evolution story in favor of a cliche mad scientist story?! Goddammit. This is what happens when studios get scared of backlash.
They did.. to a point. David did it, but he was experimenting with what the engineers originally made (black goo that makes the deacon etc.) Nothing else is explained in that regard (sort of a bummer but keeps the mystery alive just enough I think)
Andrew Vaaler Everything isn't explained, but displayed through put Prometheus and Alien Covenant. If you piece together the clues using some basic logic, you get a perfect understanding of how David was able to create the Xenomorph.
Dude, the "xenomorph2 on the wall is not a xenomorph at all, its the decon from the end of prometheus. how the fuck did anyone get the idea that the mural on the wall was a Xenomorph lol
Yeah no. There is no way they can tie this all to the first Alien film, after all by the time Ripley met them that was in their year of 2122 and covenant takes place in 2102. What was stated in Alien was that the original ship must have been on Lv-224 for at least hundred if not thousands of years for the Jockey to become fossilized. Ridelt screwed this timeline way more than Fox screwed up the X-men timeline.
The person who say it was fossilised is no expert in such matters though. It's easy to assume he was simply wrong, that or David is recreating something that the engineers had created, but decided was to hard to control and thus stopped at humans, something they found far more easy to control.
Prometheus was a bad movie wearing the skin of a very pretty one. The characters were unlikeable (sans idris elba's character because his charisma still shone through the minimal screen time he got), the situations to push forward the plot were contrived (the guy mapping the place got lost... really?), and the mystery of it all isn't even partially answered, all you get is more questions.
Don Wayne II Agreed! I would liked to have seen the rest of the story but The fan bitching and moaning killed that off. I don't mind though I really enjoyed what we got with covenant. Answers would have been nice but I like what they did with David and I want to see how that story plays out. |Also seeing as Alien starts with another engineer ship David obv comes across some more engineers at some point so we may get the answers we want before it all ties up.
Prometheous was disappointing because it felt like an incomplete story, we was teased to get answers in the follow up and never got them. Stupid scientists and unanswered questions were the problems, not a lack of Xenomorph, which is why Covenant feels just as disappointing.
Interviews and deleted scenes cut down for time consideration help make Prometheous a beautiful looking mess and the sequel seems to stretch out the desire to cash in on more movies more stupid characters and . . the series to me is just Alien and Aliens.
Yup. It's a shame. But it's pretty much the same thing as with Terminator and Terminator 2. With Terminator, we have Linda Hamilton to thank for bad movie after bad movie. With Alien... I was really hoping Scott would have some respect for his creation. Alas, it looks like he's not that good without O'Bannon, and the new writers were allowed to just plain shit on the franchise.
Jemelle Evans- I actually enjoyed Alien Covenant and I feel like they answered all my questions. Engineers create man, man creates machine, machine destroys Engineers, then creates Xenomorphs. Gives a good background of what the Xenomorphs actually are and where they came from and why they're such good killing machines. They are perfection. The reason the Engineer in Prometheus tried killing the team was because he knew what the humans created would eventually destroy them. so he was protecting us from ourselves, basically. They're good movies that have more lore in them rather than pure horror like the original Alien movie.
Don't Defuse I'm glad you and others enjoyed it. I personally know some answers, but that's because I had to do homework and watch an interview of Ridley Scott explain things that weren't in the movie, but I shouldn't have to do that. The whole Jesus/Engineer aspect isn't in the final movie at all. I'm not disappointed that it's not clear as to why they created humans and left earth etc..I'm disappointed because It was teased at the end of Prometheous that Shaw would find out, but she's killed between films and the most interesting aspect of Prometheous gets exterminated in a flashback, feels like Alien 3 all over again tbh lol
+Jemelle Evans Yeah that makes sense. Because engineers are immortal, they are also sterile. So as a tradition, they kill themselves by drinking black goo and by doing so they create life on other planets, since they themselves can't reproduce. Also, you've probably already read this but Ridley said that there would be a movie called Alien: Awakening which is supposed to be a prequel of Covenant. Hopefully more questions are answered in that.
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This movie is full of cavernous plot holes yet could have been something special if they were filled in with more character development... and getting rid of all the leaps in logic RS forces the audience jump through.
Fuck. I am so bummed. I loved Prometheus and I couldn't wait to see what happened next with Shaw and David. I really wish people wouldn't have bashed on Prometheus so hard, because then Ridley wouldn't have changed his vision for its sequel. We could have gotten some real concrete answers, but now we'll never know what could have been. People shouldn't question Ridley Scott God damn it.
Zac Irvin if he wanted to give those answers he should have put them in the first film rather than trying to milk it for all it's worth. He fucked himself.
i didnt see the movie, only this "Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" trailer and.....this weren´t the engineers. rather looked like an outpost where they made some folks who actually listened to them.
Why is everyone saying "David created the Xenomorphs" Its obvious he didn't because the Engineers had murals of Xenomorphs on their ships in Prometheus. I'm thinking David found access to the engineer archives on the ship and learnt all about their experiments to create Xenomorphs. David simply learnt the recipe (Alien egg + Human = Perfect Xenomorph) Also the Engineers look different in Covenant to Prometheus. I'm thinking the Engineers in Prometheus had been experimenting on themselves, trying to learn a way to merge with the Xenomorphs. I'm guessing immortality was the goal just like Weyland. Also the engineers in Prometheus had genetic looking suits that are very similar to Xenomorph bodies. I'm also starting to think they only created humanity because they need incubators for their perfect organism.
TheDeadYoshi For me the point of the movie is that David lost his mind he didn't know if he created the xenomorphs himself or not. Which I don't think he did he just copied what he found and replicated it to merge with humans.
Well I was huge Star Wars fan and now it's lore is all over the place I stopped being a fan for a while but I like Star Wars again because I've gotten past that (I also became a Deathstroke fan after this). Inconsisties, messy lore and lazy writing still annoy me but I'm content with things like this now. How lame of Ridley Scott is it to blame his subpar film on people who didn't like Prometheus? What's worse is people fell for his childish scape-goat tactics.
I know It sucks, but there is a 4 minute short film (kinda) that shows exactly what happened on the ship Elizabeth Shaw was on after Prometheus. It shows David going nuts
I think the reason there was an xenomorph crucifix in Prometheus is maybe because the Engineers experiment with the black goo years ago and they had the prototype-xenomorph from that, like we saw in Prometheus. And there's two more films planned before these prequels catch up with 'Alien' so I'm hoping with the amount of time they have left they'll explain the Engineers and show David working more on creating the xenomorph we see in 'Alien'.
the movies never happened sadly :( that being said apparently there's a alien tv show being figured out and a possible feature film in the works as of 2022 fingers crossed
Not only does the Prometheus series have to wrap up with one of those "U" shaped ships crash landing on LV-246 full of eggs, but it also has to have an impregnated engineer at the helm (who sends off a distress call (warning beacon).
I wasn't a fan of Prometheus but this movie really annoyed me for a few reasons. 1. I feel like because of how the public reacted to Prometheus they pretty much wanted to retcon as much as they could by having a character die between movies (which is an inexcusable thing to do, really lazy storywriting) and brush over the whole David killing the engineers in one scene. 2. This movie had the most blatant errors that can only be described as almost amateur film making treating the audience like idiots. By this I mainly mean how Ridley Scott obviously wanted to put the original xenomorphs in this movie but in order to somehow keep Prometheus somewhat relevant he had to have them be made. Which means they have to be babies. And what is the studios response to that? Well the audience obviously wants to see a full grown xenomorph not just a baby so fuck it, have it grow from baby to full grown in about 15 minutes. It took the entirety of the original Alien for it to grow through all it's stages, however in this the main character wakes up to find out it had burst out of that dudes chest, and within like 15 minutes it's in the shower area and it's massive. For audience appeal they just scrapped the aliens evolution progress. Both of those reasons just really makes me feel that they were conflicted about this movie. I strongly believe Prometheus struggled as a movie because they tried to tie it into the alien universe. And this movie struggled because it WANTS to ignore that but it knows that it can't. That's why I think this movie is so conflicting with its story and tone.
It's possible that the Neomorphs, those white ones, just mature very fast. When that bloodburster came out of the dude's back, it's head was pulsing like it was still growing. If you watched the 'In Utero' trailer, you can see that it's had grew larger just before it bursted out from the guy's body. As for when the true xenomorph's started appearing, there's no telling how much time had passed between the scenes. Since Danny was already boiled down and cooking some dinner aboard the Covenant before hearing the alert about the new xenomorph, it's pretty easy to tell that hours had passed and she was able to taper off her adrenaline.
Dext.RAR the biggest issue is that they dumbed down the crew for the plot to happen. No scientist/crew member charged with 2,000 lives would act in such irresponsible ways as literally all the crew members did. At least in Aliens the military guys had their own personalities and it made sense if one lost his shit and made a dumb cal. Also, the lore in this movie doesn't make sense. The fossilized engineer they find in the first Alien movie has gotta be maybe hundreds or thousands of years old. Yet his chest is burst open and there's eggs all over the ship. Covenant only takes places 30 years after Prometheus or something like that, so the plot line of David inventing eggs and xenomorphs doesn't fit in. And let's not get started on the fact that canonically xenomorphs are hive-minded and have a queen
Dext.RAR also I gotta add, xenomorphs ALWAYS grew fast, which was part of the horror of the first movie. From facehugger implantation to chest burst is like several hours, maybe a few days. The scary part was that the alien kept getting bigger so that's not much of a plot hole, especially if neomorphs are supposed to be a fucking fungus or whatever the fuck
1 it happens in pretty much every other alien movie 2 in all the other movies aliens sometimes look different and grow at different rates. this particular alien has been gmo by david so who knows what to expect. 3 even the best alien "aliens" has a ridiculous amounts of potholes. 4 this was a brave attempt to revitalize the franchise after "resurrection".
i loved this movie. yeah it left alot of questions still. but other then that. i thought it was cool. as far as the alien sign in Prometheus.... and how obviously david created them not the egineers. ima disagree. simply because on how we seen a somewhat xenomorph in the end. my theory is that the engineers created many things and they knew about the xenomorphs already. which is why they isolated there military base planet. and david was tempering with the engineers equipment. (that black goo) and wanted to creat something more from it. thinking its his creation. (kinda is) but doesnt mean the xenomorphs didnt exist already. just a matter of time for the perfect one. i thought it was a cool movie
i can see that happening even Prometheus too.. they will be underrated classics tbh the movie should have continued from Prometheus so more exploration
Calling it now - The mural with alien imagery was there because engineers were able to see future and discovered humanity will create an android that will in turn create xenomorphs that will be the bane of existence, so they try to wipe out humanity but it doesn't work out and that's why the engineer who was in Prometheus got angry and tore David's head off in an attempt to stop the inevitable - i hope i am wrong because it sounds even worse than covenant atm.
This is not a spoiler: The scene where the xenomorphs bursts through Oram’s chest was the best for me! This was absolutely the best scene in the movie and the entire series well for me. And it took almost 40 years for it to happen. Because for almost 40 years we looked at the xenomorphs as these feral creatures that only know destruction and just want to kill. They’re brutal creatures that cannot be calm or negotiated with, they are wild and will kill anything in their path. Then all of a sudden we see David teach the xenomorph like it’s a baby and he’s its mother. It kind of shows David as the ultimate evil, one that could not be negotiated with because his only purpose in his mind is destroying humans and he will not stop, kind of like a xenomorph or how I thought they were. I mean seriously, it was so poetic seeing the xenomorph as we know to be scary and crazy, for a few moments to be gentle and kind as it is getting taught. It made me kind of think of it as a bay something that never was shown in all the movies. It gave us a perspective of the xenomorph that no one would expect watching the other movies. And the music made it so much better. I loved that music, not only that by the dialogue, and the story behind the scene as it all led up to that moment where you knew what was going to happen. They did a good job making the first time a xenemorph pops out a person’s chest as a very memorable moment, making it iconic as if it was the 1st time ever in the alien franchise like the actual first time it happened in the alien movie. . And although I knew what was going to happen t the guy just because where he was at, I never had expected the scene to show the alien coming out of his chest like that. They put so much emphasis on it, like bringing out the meaning especially when the guy said what do you believe in, and David said creation. It showed us more to David and the whole scene. Usually when the alien comes out of a person’s chest it is a horror scene with no much thought. The whole point of the scene is to make you scared and freaked out, especially like the very first scene of it in the first alien movie. I was expecting to be freaked out, scared, and feel sick to my stomach when I knew the alien was going to come out of his chest because that’s how I felt the other times I saw it, but not this time. This scene made it much more thoughtful and emotional to it all where I didn’t know exactly how I felt, all I knew was that I kind of felt sad, but also at the same time as if I had a great experience, the entire feeling I had when the music played, the alien came out of his chest, and David thought it, that feeling was surreal, everything was. I thought to myself this is sick. And I didn’t just mean as in disgusting but sick as in everything, like words couldn’t explain, especially how David smiled at the entire scene. I’m telling you, the music, the dialogue, David teaching the alien, and the actor’s acting, all made this scene so powerful that I couldn’t describe how I felt, only that it was so emotional, powerful, moving, and one of the best. I wanted to cry seeing this scene, I don’t know why if it was because of sadness, but this scene was everything. Making the film that was already good that much better. Which makes me beg the question can you all imagine if the entire scene happened but instead it was Shaw? Like maybe instead of covenant, we had got a movie that took place from the ending of Prometheus, so we see David and Shaw’s journey to the engineers’ home world where she wants questions but he wants to experiment. So the movie retains it’s more philosophical theme from Prometheus with a little bit horror. And then in the end, it goes down the same exact way. Same music, dialogue, acting, David teaching the xenomorph, but only that it is a main character Shaw who we would have grown with for 2 movies, and then finally see her fate. It would have added so much, the movie would’ve disregard Shaw as soon as she died but putting so much focus on David teaching the xenomorph even if we still wouldn’t get over her death. Or at least just put that in a flashback for us to see in Alien Covenant. I think if they would have done it either way especially with making it its own movie, I would have cried, because seeing this scene I wanted to cry for reasons unknown, and if it would have been with Shaw tears would have come from my face still not knowing why. Nevertheless, the movie was still great, and I came into it wanting the horror action that we saw in aliens and many know, I wasn’t really looking for a philosophical theme from Prometheus, just couldn’t wait for the alien to come out and kill. But when I saw this scene it made me love the philosophical aspect with the xenomorph, and for that this movie and the scene all together was great! For me it took the horror of Alien, the action of Aliens, and the philosophical elements of Prometheus and combined it all for this movie.
Headcanon: David didn’t create the Xenomorphs. The Engineers did. David just made some of his own. That’s why the Xenomorph looks slightly different in this movie. It isn’t a prototype, it’s fan-made.
I was not a fan of Prometheus for a number of reasons. But damn they dropped that pile of turd and moved away as far and fast as possible. In an interview when Scott said that the fan backlash played into how this movie developed, I immediately was concerned, and turned out to be correct. More than likely a book/anime/comic will be released to fill in all the plot holes and issues these two movies have brought forth. Also, anyone else getting the same annoyed feeling when they announced the Hobbit would be three movies instead of two? Or is it just me?
I just got back from watching it and while I thought I liked it at the time, hearing you lay it all out like that makes me realize that maybe it wasn't such a good movie. Can we please just give the franchise back to James Cameron? I liked Aliens. However, I will say that I really liked the Xenomorph scenes. I know a lot of people complain about the use of CGI (because all technological progress is evil, amirite?) but thanks to that CGI we get to see the Xenomorph jump and crawl and tear into human fleshbags like a wolf in ways that practical effects would never allow. Seriously, go back and watch Aliens, the movie that boasted an entire swath of Xenomorphs. How many times do you see them on screen, and how impressive are they when you do?
I thought the movie was good, but not great. I loved the xenomorph and the cinematography, however, I felt like the story was missing something. The characters were sort of hollow, deaths were predictable and Shaw's reveal was a let down. I really loved the look of the Xeno, but I wish they would've kept the mystery of the Xeno's movement. Them showing the view from the Xeno's perspective made it less scary. I'm still excited about future Alien movies
me after prometheus: david isnt evil hes just misunderstood
me after alien covenant: david is the adolf hitler of androids
makes me wonder if when they ever continue the story further, will david ever meet ripley or even just if hes even still out there.
trash boat I don't necessarily think he's evil, he is just trying to find purpose, it's Weylands fault he's like this, he made him a human in a robot body.
TheConspiredOne he could never meet ripley.
why is that? david is an android and sigorney weaver is still alive?
trash boat he killed walter😰😰😰😰
The ending twist is pretty obvious when you have two characters that look the same but one is good and one is bad
I predicted it when I was tired at 1am.
I hate to be that audiophile but John Denver's Take me Home, Country Road is an American classic. 😂 Keep up the great work Jeremy!
The music was by john denver ma boi
Why is nobody addressing the chestburster scene? It didn't look like a regular worm-like chestburster, it was just a tiny xenomorph. I suppose it was that way because it was the first xenomorph?
Pierre Pa I think studio decided to do it that way because they think the audience is stupid
A few of the points in the movie that made me question the crew's intelligence:
Find an alien planet with Earth music transmission and Earth plant life but don't question why nobody knows anything about it? Maybe it's a trap!
On an alien planet when crew members suddenly get very ill. Immediately get as close as possible to help ill crew back to the safety of the ship. Do they have no idea how illness spreads or question why they are suddenly so ill?
Get attacked by very quick and very deadly alien creatures. Get to safe place and immediately walk off alone to wash up.
Sketchy android admits to genetic experiments and decides to share creations. Get as close as possible to living and moving experiment because sketchy android said it's safe.
Talk to "Walter" after his fight with David and notice the scratches on his cheek. Even help him to staple said scratches on cheek. Never question why he isn't self healing like he should be doing!
Here's what I think happened: David's Xenomorphs are a combination of the Engineer's desires to recreate Xenomorphs and David's meddling, but they're not true Xenomorphs. The Engineers discovered them on one planet and tried to take a few of their eggs and when that failed, they attempted to recreate them using their DNA, but they were unsuccessful. David stumbles upon what the Engineers were trying to recreate through trial and error. The Xenomorphs in Alien 1, Aliens, and Alien 3 were all natural Xenomorphs. The Predator Xenomorphs (the ones used in the pyramids and that escaped into the human town), the Deacons, and the David Xenomorphs are all recreated Xenomorphs.
This movie was like stopping by the gas station for some snacks on the way to a fancy restaurant . Sure it satisfies some of your hunger before getting the full meal but in hindsight it probably would've been better to skip the snacks and head straight to the restaurant and just eat a bit more when you get there.
I am a fan of the theory that the Xenomorphs are an ancient race that the engineers worshipped in a way and that David, using the Engineer knowledge he gained over the last 10 years, is trying to recreate them.
when the alien bursted from the captain's chest and imitated Davis's hand motions, did anyone else find it eerily cute?
Predator shows up and kills David and the aliens. Movie will suck tho.
Thought the movie was good though my general alien knowledge limits to the original alien, I have seen all of them but it's been so long since Prometheus that I recognized Elizabeth and David, but I would say watch all of them before this and you should defiantly enjoy it but I also thought it should have been more scary, like I would love a more horror centric side story
The problem with Ridley Scott's cinematic vision and all subsequent Alien Movies is that Scott is tasked to interpret the Bio-Mechanical style of Visionary H.R. Giger. What we're seeing here is the process of REVERSE Engineering Giger's artistry which is causing such Convulsion in terms of the What, Where, Why and Whens. That fact that Scott ALSO has the burden of satisfying Movie goers and Producers doesn't help much. One seeks the viscera, gore and suspense from the Original film and the Latter simply seeks filled seated and revenue in spite of the film's continuity. Prometheus and Now Convenant only serves to pose more questions than to answer them unfortunately. And as they attempt to whet my appetite for future installments with open endings and deeper rabbit holes, I find I'm less enthused even if STILL curious.
Thank you for reminding everyone about the Alien imagery in Prometheus.
Also, can someone explain to me how the second one got the ship? Keeping it vague for people who think this is a actual review of the movie.
I personally didn't like the fact that David made the Xenomorphs. Just my personal opinion.
I don't get what was so "disappointing" about this movie like some critics have said. I absolutely loved this movie. The reason we didn't get the Prometheus "pay off" was because David wasn't interested in that. He deemed his interests superior and ultimately sacrificed his love for Shaw to use her reproductive organs to make the Xenomorph eggs. So we don't know if Shaw got the answers she wanted or not. Maybe we'll see that stuff in the directors cut... hopefully!
I really enjoyed the movie, I found it very intense, but well said Jeremy, well said.
One of the most cringworthy scenes when David and Walter were playing the flute innuendo their lol
I really didn't like how the film focused on David. By the time the Xenomorph is finally in the film he feels like an afterthought...
The Gestation period of not the Protomorph but Xenomorph seemed way way way sped up before it becomes a Full Grown Alien?
I want to see a New Predator movie, or in the next one tie Predators into it
& possibly see how they were made. Will be bad ass
Don't eggs require a queen?
I kinda thought David created a queen out of Elizabeth (metaphorically) given his love for her.
My take is he grew the eggs on her given his obsession with procreation... then he grew them in the basement and hence Elizabeth was the first "queen" alien... because THERE ARE NO EGGS without a queen alien.
I too was sad with the direction they chose for the movie. I wasn't too see Shaw find the engineers.
John Denver was the song playing.
Alien Covenant = The Island of Dr. Moreau
Why did David help kill his creations at the end if he wanted them to live?
Spoilers : James Franco was Fired before he could wake up .🤣😉
Prometheus was good and had a cool concept/story, but everyone had a little cry that it wasn't enough like alien and forced Ridley Scott's hand in wiping away the story he wanted to tell. Because unfortunately film makers aren't allowed creative freedom anymore.
James Franco was on fire in his performance!
Zach Kocher damn that's savage
That was a good roast man!
ROFL
In the webisode, he goes to bed early, because he's sick. He says "I'm burning up".
A sick burn
I feel like the Xenomorph wouldn't have killed the crew if they had just given it an ice cold Pepsi. It just wants to crack open a cold one with the boys.
Just join the conversation bro
The Aliens don't want to be fed...they want to hunt.
heinken works too
GoingToHeaven They could make it like an Easter egg hunt except their ice cold pepsis or put pepsis on fast mobile robots that randomly drive around and hide in any environment they are introduced to,
lol
No point spending an hour watching The Roast of James Franco when you can just watch Covenant
Sir Finn Dobson lol
You won comment of the day!!!!
Sir Finn Dobson damn dude that is clever as fuck
Sir Finn Dobson genius fucking genius
Your comment is great lol.
One question: how the fuck, in 2104, do they not have fire-preventing measures in fucking cryopods? HOOOOOOW?
lol I know right!
Well it explains why they didn't have the same cryo chambers as Alien and Aliens. Ridley probably wanted to imply that these had so many issues that they switched to those in the future
That would be an interesting idea, but still. It's 2k fucking 104. And they couldn't handle a fire. Inside of a cryopod, which in theory "freezes" people to slow the body down. Yes, I'm no engineer, but how the fuck do you go from "freeze" to FIRE! within seconds? And how exactly do future people not think that a fire could start during a however long mission? It requires one hell of a suspension of disbelief to just overlook that.
Lol yeah true. I did see some type of gas filling up the chamber. Who knows how long they've had cryo chambers though. 2102 is not even 100 years from now so they were probably quite new in Prometheus. I was more concerned about how the time passed in Covenant. IT felt too fast between characters getting infected and the aliens popping out of them
Yeah, that was also a problem.
Everyone in this movie is an idiot. "Hey, a mysterious signal, let's go there. Let's go outside without helmets. And let's touch everything we see."
I really don't get this idea of modern sci fic where everyone smart enough and fit enough to be selected for a colonization mission to space is a complete dumbass straight out of a slasher flick. I mean a shower sex scene? For real? Was this written by the writers of the Friday the 13th series? Stick your mug in front of this organic looking egg because I say it's okay. Oh suuuuuure, that's not suspicious at all. Fucks sake, at least in the original alien you had the person who ended up being clever enough to survive being shown as smart enough to keep the guy with the unknown organism on his fucking face off the ship, you know because of the goddamn protocols that are actually in place in the event of encountering an unknown pathogen. I'm utterly amazed at some of the excuses I've seen people use to give this shit show a pass. I'm sorry but this is Lex Luthor creates a huge rage monster to beat up superman stupid level of screen writing. What's David think is going to happen? He's going to create a species that cannot communicate in any way, only knows how to kill anything that moves, yet is reliant on other species to procreate. Then it's going to rip him to pieces, and stagnate on whatever planet is the last one he takes them to. Greaaaat plan R2 douchebag.
Batman Laughed Except humanity is dying and they can't afford to only send the smart ones to colonize a planet... And I don't think you even understood David if you think he wanted to create the aliens as a weapon or some shit.
+Hold on, this is a prequal to Alien and Aliens where humanity is at the height of it's power. David is nutty plain and simple.
Batman Laughed finally someone talking sense. -_- god people are dumb. They come up with crazy logics just to fit in. "Oh I like all the alien movies.. I'm so cool".
+AnkG I know Alien Covenant has it's flaws but I like it, I still would have prefered it if David wasn't a supervillian and characters were smart.
james franco was really hot in the movie. like really hot. and crispy
mr. jeff anaakin level hot
And now, the hottest performance. The Oscar goes to... James Franco, Alien Covenant.
LOL.
mr. jeff how did he die
OG Anarchy his pod set fire and he burned to death
tommy towse how ironic lol
Did anyone else have to choke back a laugh when, instead of a xeno-larva chest-burster, an itty-bitty fully formed xenomorph just stood up out of the guy's chest and practically went "mama!" to David?
CandleLight129
Yeah, it was hilarious honestly. I kept waiting for the classic worm creature to pop out and it never happened.
Was thinking of the put your hands up and shout song
This movie totally screwed up the alien biology life cycle. It just made up alien forms willy nilly . Alien spores that can be breathed into the airways. Just total nonsense.
The movie was really more of an action thriller than a horror
qascarface so like Aliens? 🤔
qascarface mixed mash
No. "Aliens" eats this movie for a breakfast.
it was a mix of the whole saga, i like that :P even some dark humour
Meh. I feel this one was more psychological horror with David. The other cyborgs have never been this complex. The cyborg in the original was just "DO WHAT WEYLAND SAYS. MUST KILL. MUST KILL." Bishop in Aliens was more or less the same as Arnold's character from Terminator 2. David on the other hand learned how to create, and took it to an unnatural obsession because of him judging his creator as inferior.
Why put James Franco in the movie? It was just a distraction. You are taken out of the plot to think "Oh look, James Franco!"
"Hey James, guess what? You are finally going to be in another big franchise after Spider-man!"
"Oh thank God!"
"For ten seconds"
MrRaboyto Put James Franco in your cast list and people will watch
Apparently he was supposed to appear in flashbacks/character building stuff that was cut for time.
I hate it when people comment just to get a response from the creator.
Right Jeremy?
haven't seen this joke yet, good job
from God? That would be interesting.
Purefoldnz Isn't he dead?
Too bad you didn't get a response. Shit on.
XD that was pretty good
Covenant is the movie that makes you appreciate how great Prometheus really was.
Prometheus is the movie that makes you appreciate how great Alien: Resurrection really was.
+Krusty Krab I liked it more than Prometheus. I also see it as some poor writer's struggle at attempting to clean up Damon Lindelof's mess that was Prometheus's script. Sort of like how for Alien 3, David Fincher had to make a movie around the restrictions of a frustrated studio that wasn't thinking clearly.
Xenomorphs, face suckers comes out kills, comes out kills, comes out kills.. such repetitive BS. Prometheus had a nice feeling about adventure and unknown territories.
+Abdullah Al Sayeed Prometheus went against everything that made Alien a good movie. It didn't need to have Xenomorphs or facehuggers to be good. In fact, if only a bunch of shots/scenes had been cut from the film, it could've been a lot better. But the more I think about the film as it is, the less I like it.
You're the man now Dog I totally agree... I really liked Prometheus and this was total crap
A well written and directed Prometheus sequel would have been better.
rocknrolllives a well writing Prometheus would have been better than the Prometheus we got, so at least he's staying consistent in that regard
Visually stunning. Predictable and average. I swear James Preslipsky and I knew what was going to happen before it happened. "Let's touch this strange plant" Well, he's dead. "I need to take a leak" Well, he's dead. "I'm going check out that noise" Well, he's dead. "Oh look the alien is dead and we are safe!" Let me guess... one snuck on and you're going to have to blow it out the airlock.... just like in Alien, Aliens, and Alien Resurrection.... yep... you did it again... YOU DID IT ALLLLL AGAIN!!!!!! The sad part is that there was a good looking movie in there. But it was a five minute flashback of what could have been an interesting Prometheus 2, but no. People complained of the lack of Aliens so you scrapped that and made another alien movie. Not saying it's a bad movie, just saying I've seen this shit four times already and you did nothing new. The movie gets a C from me. And that's almost solely on visuals.
Agreed. So many people hated Prometheus (I personally loved it), and yeah, it didn't have Aliens, but it was still connected in a loose way. Main important thing was it tried something NEW rather than being a rehash. You gotta appreciate risking something new. Whether the new is good or bad is of course important, but at least an attempt was made. Covenant was just the same thing all over again with prettier graphics. Tired and boring (even if Fassbender was awesome, per usual).
U are right . So predictable that it feels childish . Stupid mistakes , trained scientist acting like foolish infants .. What a disappointment . I feel like David after watching this .
Kate pro Your argument applies to Prometheus so....
Crew land on strange planet --> Do some dumb shit --> Most die off --> There's a sketchy android --> Survivor uses an airlock --> Survivor goes into cryosleep --> Rinse & Repeat
The RealDarrenLee but prometheus added beautiful cgi and music and covenant added good philosophical questions.
Wesley Tomsky So get that David formed some type of God complex but why kill the Engineers and create Xenomorphs? Also we really don't see him form his complex it felt like daddy issues. Also I hate the fact that some asshole stepped on a plant, it released some dust, the dust traveled to its ear, then 5 minutes later an alien craws of his back. And in seconds it grows and wants to kill humans
Bernardo Jr. Miranda He's pro-creation, anti-creator
Bernardo Jr. Miranda well it's a parasitic virus on a larger scale. That's all cancer, the flu, polio and smallpox do. Attack, multiply, and kill host.
Then Alien 3 had to go and fuck up the system.
Shaw dying off screen was such a huge mistake. I loved Prometheus and this really failed to live up to the promises it made.
+Cameron Belgrade That made for a great twist though. Shaw was pretty forgettable as a character, so I really didn't care seeing her get killed off. Honestly, Prometheus was the real big mistake imo.
Shaw was more interesting than everyone in Covenant including David
As shaw went in into alien ship, was equal to death. I some felt, this is goodbye to her. So the emotional spoodfeeding for her death was not necessary.
so much so that I feel that covenant was not cannon
I was really sad when Shaw was killed off too, but she trusted David. That was her big mistake. David basically plays the role of the Devil is these movies. He convinced Shaw that she needed him, that she could trust him, and he murdered her. She should have smashed his head in at the end of Prometheus, but she took it with her. After she made that decision, her fate was pretty much sealed.
It was John Denver - Country Roads
Take Me Home
In Prometheus they were so concerned about there being breathable air but on this film they walk right on out the ship like.... and then... oh look wheat, on a distant alien planet how uninteresting! And those sort of moments are when you realise you're on a downward slope
This movie was such a disappointment. The Engineer storyline was built up so well and Scott just killed it. Who cares about Xenomorphs they have like 6 movies already the engineers are far more interesting
Robby Atwood I know right. I thought we were going to get a movie continuing the adventures of David and Shaw as they journey to the engineer home planet. Unfortunately, alien fanboys have to ruin it all with their moaning.
Robby Atwood Where the fuck were all the Prometheus fanboys all these years. NOW they come out. lol.
Jake Cassidy Cass we were happy so there wasn't much to say
Robby Atwood Should have showed your support then. Things might have gone differently.
Can't believe i'm saying this but Danny McBride was a true bad ass in this movie. He can be a good actor given the right role. I only wish Seth Rogan was the ALIEN.
Yeah Tennessee was my favorite character. I wasn't surprised with Danny's acting though,because the character fit him perfectly
LaTosha Love Yeah. How did you feel about the ending?
I'm still trying to gather my thoughts about this movie. I saw it last night. The Walter/David scenario was predictable for me, but I liked how Kathrine's character realizes this too late before going into cryo sleep. I felt bad for her, Tennessee, the colonist's' future. I think I am a little jaded on how the third act went down and how David killed Shaw, that I didn't really have a strong reaction at the end
What did you think?
LaTosha Love in all honesty I think the film as a whole is enjoyable really well filmed well but I think the ending kinda worries me a bit because i like both these characters. I would hate to see another sequel where they kill em off like they did with Hicks and Newt or Elizabeth Shaw. I like where the series is going but I don't want them to fumble the ball.
What should have happened is Shaw and David land and are taken in by the Engineers, the signal is sent and the new crew arrives. Shaw explains all the answers that were left unanswered from Prometheus, meanwhile David has been bio engineering the Xenomorphs. Whilst Shaw and the crew are there David releases the weapon, killing all the Engineers. The Xenomorphs then hunt down most of the crew, leaving only Shaw and the new main woman alive. David does the Walter impersonation etc and then they go into cyro-sleep whilst he has the eggs. He then sets course for that new planet.
qascarface yeh I was thinking that should've happened. or maybe they get to the planet with the engineers and they show david experiments with the black goo and they create the xenomorph together and david unleashes it on the planet then obviously the crew get there because of a distress signal and chaos begins
Do you honestly like what I said? :)
Almost as good as Zod's snapped neck by Chris stuckmann.
Sounds a lot like Alien Covenant. :D
Ha I posted my own idea before reading yours. Honestly, either one would be better than the actual movie. I think you still portray the Engineers as uptight, condescending, "I am better than you b/c I made you". Either they all die or abandon the planet, and David, before Covenant arrives.
what people want : David and Shaw at the engineers plant
what people get : boring crew, Shaw death , David is a creep. no explanation to the engineers.
I know I'm wayyyy late to this comment but... Is that what "people" wanted?? I didn't.
I didn't know what to expect
@@CurtieMac Way late on my comment too, but that's pretty much exactly how they left off Prometheus as a cliff-hanger for the next movie and we waited (4?) years for answers to those amazing questions they asked in Prometheus...which story-wise they really failed to cash-in on w/Covenant.
And the most advanced civilization in the universe was basically just a backwater Greece rip off. No buildings or technology in sight. It was such a disappointment. The only thing worse than that was the fully CGI Xeon that looked so fake that it was dumb.
John Denver
We'll I just got back from seeing Alien Covenant and... meh. The movie was enjoyable, fast-paced, filmed beautifully and I did get scared in some parts. However, I really wish Niel Blomkamp's Alien Project wasn't canceled because I want to see one last adventure with Ripley, Hicks, and Newt. That's really what I want.
Jose Rodriguez the question I have about that one is how would he have worked racial segregation into the plot
Peter McIntyre Oh without a doubt through one of his roles he makes which he would cast Eminem for. Then after the used sets from Halo he will ram it home with shots of poor people and Hicks saying what have we become. Will the plot work? Nope! but ERNAGHERD CERNCERPT DESIGNS THOOO
Well ripley died so..
Anyone else feel like they're more engineer planets? For a civilisation so advanced that can create life and space travel why is there only one small city and that's it? Trying to tell me their population is like a few hundred thousand and that's it? So maybe they can go to a planet David does something there then there ship crashes on LV what ever
That's what I thought as well. The Engineers in Covenant looked more like a mix between the Engineers in Prometheus and modern humans. I don't think that the planet they found was the original Engineer, but a major Engineer colony
Really wanted to know what happened to Dr. Shaw. If Ridley was smart, he wouldn't have scrapped her storyline, and this movie could've been about Shaw and David on the Engineers planet and how she slowly starts to realize David's intentions of experimenting to create the perfect organism, instead of being killed off in between movies. That way, she would end up getting her answers, and we would have a tense sci-fi horror movie because slowly we see David becoming a(n) antagonist rather than just being left to fill in the blanks ourselves. Alien: Covenant was a missed opportunity, I would really like to have seen Shaw find out that David was the one who infected Dr. Holloway in Prometheus, and see her character realize that she's going to suffer the same fate or worse. Missed opportunity.
re-watched prometheus yesterday, watched covenant today and i kinda liked prometheus more :/
Same here... And friends told me same.
Agreed. Prometheus is easily the superior film
1. Alien 2.Aliens 3Alien covenant 4. Prometheus The rest can fiuck off!
I agree, to me this wasn't an awful film. It's just that Covenant kind of throws wrenches into the timeline as you know it.
Steven Ortiz I have to disagree, not seen this one but for pure enjoyment I liked alien 3 and even resurrection better than Prometheus, as I could actually sit through another viewing of those movies. That said, I like AvP better than either of them because it's dumb fun and pretty rewatchable
I saw the flute murder and the twin exchange coming a mile away. Good. Not great.
Isn't the spore form into almost bulletproof neomorphs superior to the complicated egg-facehugger-small alien-grown alien?
Thats such a good point - its like a backwards evolutionary step
Well these people were using inferior weapons compared to the USMC. The spores however do seem superior.
The Christain guy's weapon also killed the second Protomorph in a few shots.
thats why David kept the guy and girl alive so he can create more neomorphs
The neomorph can't lay eggs as I recall, it just kills -- which means infection is basically limited to where ever the spore was planted.
if david hated humans so much, why he didn't changed the course of the ship to earth as soon shawn fell asleep.
diego ramirez true
diego ramirez I guess he wanted to get away from earth and research more into the xeno gene alone
He is driven to create, this is a core part of the themes present. About the need the engineers felt, then humans felt, then now David as humans creation feels the need to do. He already sees humans as doomed so he travels to a less sophisticated seed planet (earth would have shoot the ship down before it could do anything) where he kills everyone there so he may start experimenting and create what he thinks is new life. The irony is it is just a variation of what the engineers already made.
Seriously?! They gave up on the Xenomorph evolution story in favor of a cliche mad scientist story?! Goddammit. This is what happens when studios get scared of backlash.
They did.. to a point. David did it, but he was experimenting with what the engineers originally made (black goo that makes the deacon etc.) Nothing else is explained in that regard (sort of a bummer but keeps the mystery alive just enough I think)
Pretty cool mad scientist though
it was awesome and pretty original, considering that the scientist was an android created by a human
Batman V Superman is a perfect example.
Andrew Vaaler Everything isn't explained, but displayed through put Prometheus and Alien Covenant. If you piece together the clues using some basic logic, you get a perfect understanding of how David was able to create the Xenomorph.
my favorite part is when the alien emerges from the captains chest and starts playing Simon Says with David.
Dude, the "xenomorph2 on the wall is not a xenomorph at all, its the decon from the end of prometheus. how the fuck did anyone get the idea that the mural on the wall was a Xenomorph lol
The Covenant came out 7 years ago?! Time is so fast! Next time UA-cam suggests this video, we will be traveling interstellar.
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Yeah no. There is no way they can tie this all to the first Alien film, after all by the time Ripley met them that was in their year of 2122 and covenant takes place in 2102. What was stated in Alien was that the original ship must have been on Lv-224 for at least hundred if not thousands of years for the Jockey to become fossilized. Ridelt screwed this timeline way more than Fox screwed up the X-men timeline.
The person who say it was fossilised is no expert in such matters though. It's easy to assume he was simply wrong, that or David is recreating something that the engineers had created, but decided was to hard to control and thus stopped at humans, something they found far more easy to control.
If the reviews for prometheus were better (which it deserves) then we would have had the sequel we wanted. I like covenant as well though
Maybe Alien Awakening will Give us that, if Ridley Scott listens to the mini backlash of Prometheus fans.
Prometheus was a bad movie wearing the skin of a very pretty one. The characters were unlikeable (sans idris elba's character because his charisma still shone through the minimal screen time he got), the situations to push forward the plot were contrived (the guy mapping the place got lost... really?), and the mystery of it all isn't even partially answered, all you get is more questions.
Don Wayne II Agreed! I would liked to have seen the rest of the story but The fan bitching and moaning killed that off. I don't mind though I really enjoyed what we got with covenant. Answers would have been nice but I like what they did with David and I want to see how that story plays out. |Also seeing as Alien starts with another engineer ship David obv comes across some more engineers at some point so we may get the answers we want before it all ties up.
Agree with you 100%!!!!
Am I the only one who tough that Danny Mcbride did surprisingly well?
Muck Meh I don't think he was anything surprising but, he still did a pretty good job.
The whole thing was a scam. I came from the beautiful and thought provoking Prometheus to this garbage
Prometheous was disappointing because it felt like an incomplete story, we was teased to get answers in the follow up and never got them. Stupid scientists and unanswered questions were the problems, not a lack of Xenomorph, which is why Covenant feels just as disappointing.
Interviews and deleted scenes cut down for time consideration help make Prometheous a beautiful looking mess and the sequel seems to stretch out the desire to cash in on more movies more stupid characters and . . the series to me is just Alien and Aliens.
Yup. It's a shame. But it's pretty much the same thing as with Terminator and Terminator 2.
With Terminator, we have Linda Hamilton to thank for bad movie after bad movie. With Alien... I was really hoping Scott would have some respect for his creation. Alas, it looks like he's not that good without O'Bannon, and the new writers were allowed to just plain shit on the franchise.
Jemelle Evans- I actually enjoyed Alien Covenant and I feel like they answered all my questions. Engineers create man, man creates machine, machine destroys Engineers, then creates Xenomorphs. Gives a good background of what the Xenomorphs actually are and where they came from and why they're such good killing machines. They are perfection. The reason the Engineer in Prometheus tried killing the team was because he knew what the humans created would eventually destroy them. so he was protecting us from ourselves, basically. They're good movies that have more lore in them rather than pure horror like the original Alien movie.
Don't Defuse I'm glad you and others enjoyed it. I personally know some answers, but that's because I had to do homework and watch an interview of Ridley Scott explain things that weren't in the movie, but I shouldn't have to do that. The whole Jesus/Engineer aspect isn't in the final movie at all. I'm not disappointed that it's not clear as to why they created humans and left earth etc..I'm disappointed because It was teased at the end of Prometheous that Shaw would find out, but she's killed between films and the most interesting aspect of Prometheous gets exterminated in a flashback, feels like Alien 3 all over again tbh lol
+Jemelle Evans Yeah that makes sense. Because engineers are immortal, they are also sterile. So as a tradition, they kill themselves by drinking black goo and by doing so they create life on other planets, since they themselves can't reproduce. Also, you've probably already read this but Ridley said that there would be a movie called Alien: Awakening which is supposed to be a prequel of Covenant. Hopefully more questions are answered in that.
James Franco gave a sizzling performance.
If you wanna review the original Sam raimi spider man movies that would be awesome! With great reviews comes great responsibility! (Like for Tobey the OG spidey!!!)
Dillon Stein um, the effects really don't hold up. Especially the first one that screeches to a halt for a then pop star cameo.
The First is OG by default. But tom should be ight
Dillon Stein good I hate people who ask for likes......but I gotta for Spidey
+tommy towse OG is for the original spider man dumbass.
Lucky LeftEye nahhh I'm just gonna forget those terrible movies happened, Tom is the OG
Michael Fassbender kissed himself...
Give The Oscar to James Franco already..
I know right? He was on fire!
Abradolf Lincler lit performance
This movie is full of cavernous plot holes yet could have been something special if they were filled in with more character development... and getting rid of all the leaps in logic RS forces the audience jump through.
The ending left me so upset. I feel like everything they went through was for nothing.
Literally
Fuck. I am so bummed. I loved Prometheus and I couldn't wait to see what happened next with Shaw and David. I really wish people wouldn't have bashed on Prometheus so hard, because then Ridley wouldn't have changed his vision for its sequel. We could have gotten some real concrete answers, but now we'll never know what could have been. People shouldn't question Ridley Scott God damn it.
No one questioned George Lucas and look what happened...
Bringer of the Doom That's different. George Lucas didn't know what the fuck he was doing.
theangelslayer400000 Wow. That was annoying to read.
Zac Irvin if he wanted to give those answers he should have put them in the first film rather than trying to milk it for all it's worth. He fucked himself.
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at the end of the movie I knew it was David because Walter can heal and David had cuts in his face he had to staple and it didn't heal on his own.
i didnt see the movie, only this "Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" trailer and.....this weren´t the engineers.
rather looked like an outpost where they made some folks who actually listened to them.
This has gone from a creature feature to a scoobie-doo mystery
Yeah the mosters are fake in Scooby-Doo.
Why is everyone saying "David created the Xenomorphs"
Its obvious he didn't because the Engineers had murals of Xenomorphs on their ships in Prometheus.
I'm thinking David found access to the engineer archives on the ship and learnt all about their experiments to create Xenomorphs. David simply learnt the recipe (Alien egg + Human = Perfect Xenomorph)
Also the Engineers look different in Covenant to Prometheus. I'm thinking the Engineers in Prometheus had been experimenting on themselves, trying to learn a way to merge with the Xenomorphs. I'm guessing immortality was the goal just like Weyland. Also the engineers in Prometheus had genetic looking suits that are very similar to Xenomorph bodies.
I'm also starting to think they only created humanity because they need incubators for their perfect organism.
August Von Mackensen everyone is saying that because David has a line of dialogue where he says he created the xenomorphs
TheDeadYoshi For me the point of the movie is that David lost his mind he didn't know if he created the xenomorphs himself or not. Which I don't think he did he just copied what he found and replicated it to merge with humans.
Or maybe the movie is a fucking mess and the writers were retards who didn't realise they fucked the movie continuity?
+Jason Voorhees Evil robots have been it Alien since the first film.
Well I was huge Star Wars fan and now it's lore is all over the place I stopped being a fan for a while but I like Star Wars again because I've gotten past that (I also became a Deathstroke fan after this). Inconsisties, messy lore and lazy writing still annoy me but I'm content with things like this now.
How lame of Ridley Scott is it to blame his subpar film on people who didn't like Prometheus? What's worse is people fell for his childish scape-goat tactics.
ALSO: David plays the Promethius theme on a flute. That's kinda "fourth wall", right? Where else does THAT happen....
I know It sucks, but there is a 4 minute short film (kinda) that shows exactly what happened on the ship Elizabeth Shaw was on after Prometheus. It shows David going nuts
Where can I find it?
Johanna Anuar type Alien Covenant Prologue
thanks
Life was better than this. Better ending, more intense. Better acting.
anyone else?
ViralPhoenix Better acting, really?
I really like Life. I love Alien Covenant
I think the reason there was an xenomorph crucifix in Prometheus is maybe because the Engineers experiment with the black goo years ago and they had the prototype-xenomorph from that, like we saw in Prometheus.
And there's two more films planned before these prequels catch up with 'Alien' so I'm hoping with the amount of time they have left they'll explain the Engineers and show David working more on creating the xenomorph we see in 'Alien'.
The mural in Prometheus is a Deacon, not a xeno.
Reagon Alford Yeah, my mistake, but it shows that the creatures weren't new to what happened in Prometheus.
the movies never happened sadly :( that being said apparently there's a alien tv show being figured out and a possible feature film in the works as of 2022 fingers crossed
@@RealRayuapparently there are still a bunch of movies being greenlit after Disney bought fox so who knows maybe we will see them
Not only does the Prometheus series have to wrap up with one of those "U" shaped ships crash landing on LV-246 full of eggs, but it also has to have an impregnated engineer at the helm (who sends off a distress call (warning beacon).
Haha Ridley is kinda losing it man 🙁
He looks drunk as hell in the press junkets.
Movie Spouter he's also almost 80. age has its effects
I've waited three weeks to watch this video
I wasn't a fan of Prometheus but this movie really annoyed me for a few reasons.
1. I feel like because of how the public reacted to Prometheus they pretty much wanted to retcon as much as they could by having a character die between movies (which is an inexcusable thing to do, really lazy storywriting) and brush over the whole David killing the engineers in one scene.
2. This movie had the most blatant errors that can only be described as almost amateur film making treating the audience like idiots. By this I mainly mean how Ridley Scott obviously wanted to put the original xenomorphs in this movie but in order to somehow keep Prometheus somewhat relevant he had to have them be made. Which means they have to be babies. And what is the studios response to that? Well the audience obviously wants to see a full grown xenomorph not just a baby so fuck it, have it grow from baby to full grown in about 15 minutes.
It took the entirety of the original Alien for it to grow through all it's stages, however in this the main character wakes up to find out it had burst out of that dudes chest, and within like 15 minutes it's in the shower area and it's massive. For audience appeal they just scrapped the aliens evolution progress.
Both of those reasons just really makes me feel that they were conflicted about this movie. I strongly believe Prometheus struggled as a movie because they tried to tie it into the alien universe. And this movie struggled because it WANTS to ignore that but it knows that it can't. That's why I think this movie is so conflicting with its story and tone.
Dext.RAR who the fuck cares it was enjoyable
It's possible that the Neomorphs, those white ones, just mature very fast. When that bloodburster came out of the dude's back, it's head was pulsing like it was still growing. If you watched the 'In Utero' trailer, you can see that it's had grew larger just before it bursted out from the guy's body. As for when the true xenomorph's started appearing, there's no telling how much time had passed between the scenes. Since Danny was already boiled down and cooking some dinner aboard the Covenant before hearing the alert about the new xenomorph, it's pretty easy to tell that hours had passed and she was able to taper off her adrenaline.
Dext.RAR the biggest issue is that they dumbed down the crew for the plot to happen. No scientist/crew member charged with 2,000 lives would act in such irresponsible ways as literally all the crew members did.
At least in Aliens the military guys had their own personalities and it made sense if one lost his shit and made a dumb cal.
Also, the lore in this movie doesn't make sense. The fossilized engineer they find in the first Alien movie has gotta be maybe hundreds or thousands of years old. Yet his chest is burst open and there's eggs all over the ship. Covenant only takes places 30 years after Prometheus or something like that, so the plot line of David inventing eggs and xenomorphs doesn't fit in.
And let's not get started on the fact that canonically xenomorphs are hive-minded and have a queen
Dext.RAR also I gotta add, xenomorphs ALWAYS grew fast, which was part of the horror of the first movie. From facehugger implantation to chest burst is like several hours, maybe a few days. The scary part was that the alien kept getting bigger so that's not much of a plot hole, especially if neomorphs are supposed to be a fucking fungus or whatever the fuck
1 it happens in pretty much every other alien movie
2 in all the other movies aliens sometimes look different and grow at different rates. this particular alien has been gmo by david so who knows what to expect.
3 even the best alien "aliens" has a ridiculous amounts of potholes.
4 this was a brave attempt to revitalize the franchise after "resurrection".
i loved this movie. yeah it left alot of questions still. but other then that. i thought it was cool. as far as the alien sign in Prometheus.... and how obviously david created them not the egineers. ima disagree. simply because on how we seen a somewhat xenomorph in the end. my theory is that the engineers created many things and they knew about the xenomorphs already. which is why they isolated there military base planet. and david was tempering with the engineers equipment. (that black goo) and wanted to creat something more from it. thinking its his creation. (kinda is) but doesnt mean the xenomorphs didnt exist already. just a matter of time for the perfect one. i thought it was a cool movie
Jeremy your movie reviews never disappoint
In 10 years time alien covenant will be called an underrated masterpiece
I 110 percent agree with you
i can see that happening even Prometheus too.. they will be underrated classics tbh the movie should have continued from Prometheus so more exploration
I doubt that, somehow. Mediocrity never ages well.
@@philiphunn194 in my opinion the the first two act of this movie are great the third act is awful
This movie is dogshit
... But then how could there be a Xenomorph skull on board the ship in Predator 2 that takes place in 1997? HUH?!
Oskar Eriksson time travel? also it's implied the engineers created aliens first but got rid of them so David's not the first
Oskar Eriksson avp isn't cannon they're separate universes
Because... retcon
Oskar Eriksson That's just an easter egg lol
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I hope FOX greenlights Alien vs. Calvin next.
Yepp
Calling it now - The mural with alien imagery was there because engineers were able to see future and discovered humanity will create an android that will in turn create xenomorphs that will be the bane of existence, so they try to wipe out humanity but it doesn't work out and that's why the engineer who was in Prometheus got angry and tore David's head off in an attempt to stop the inevitable - i hope i am wrong because it sounds even worse than covenant atm.
I think it sound bad but sounds better than what it seems now...
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This is not a spoiler:
The scene where the xenomorphs bursts through Oram’s chest was the best for me! This was absolutely the best scene in the movie and the entire series well for me. And it took almost 40 years for it to happen. Because for almost 40 years we looked at the xenomorphs as these feral creatures that only know destruction and just want to kill. They’re brutal creatures that cannot be calm or negotiated with, they are wild and will kill anything in their path. Then all of a sudden we see David teach the xenomorph like it’s a baby and he’s its mother. It kind of shows David as the ultimate evil, one that could not be negotiated with because his only purpose in his mind is destroying humans and he will not stop, kind of like a xenomorph or how I thought they were.
I mean seriously, it was so poetic seeing the xenomorph as we know to be scary and crazy, for a few moments to be gentle and kind as it is getting taught. It made me kind of think of it as a bay something that never was shown in all the movies. It gave us a perspective of the xenomorph that no one would expect watching the other movies.
And the music made it so much better. I loved that music, not only that by the dialogue, and the story behind the scene as it all led up to that moment where you knew what was going to happen. They did a good job making the first time a xenemorph pops out a person’s chest as a very memorable moment, making it iconic as if it was the 1st time ever in the alien franchise like the actual first time it happened in the alien movie. . And although I knew what was going to happen t the guy just because where he was at, I never had expected the scene to show the alien coming out of his chest like that.
They put so much emphasis on it, like bringing out the meaning especially when the guy said what do you believe in, and David said creation. It showed us more to David and the whole scene. Usually when the alien comes out of a person’s chest it is a horror scene with no much thought. The whole point of the scene is to make you scared and freaked out, especially like the very first scene of it in the first alien movie. I was expecting to be freaked out, scared, and feel sick to my stomach when I knew the alien was going to come out of his chest because that’s how I felt the other times I saw it, but not this time.
This scene made it much more thoughtful and emotional to it all where I didn’t know exactly how I felt, all I knew was that I kind of felt sad, but also at the same time as if I had a great experience, the entire feeling I had when the music played, the alien came out of his chest, and David thought it, that feeling was surreal, everything was. I thought to myself this is sick. And I didn’t just mean as in disgusting but sick as in everything, like words couldn’t explain, especially how David smiled at the entire scene.
I’m telling you, the music, the dialogue, David teaching the alien, and the actor’s acting, all made this scene so powerful that I couldn’t describe how I felt, only that it was so emotional, powerful, moving, and one of the best. I wanted to cry seeing this scene, I don’t know why if it was because of sadness, but this scene was everything. Making the film that was already good that much better.
Which makes me beg the question can you all imagine if the entire scene happened but instead it was Shaw? Like maybe instead of covenant, we had got a movie that took place from the ending of Prometheus, so we see David and Shaw’s journey to the engineers’ home world where she wants questions but he wants to experiment. So the movie retains it’s more philosophical theme from Prometheus with a little bit horror.
And then in the end, it goes down the same exact way. Same music, dialogue, acting, David teaching the xenomorph, but only that it is a main character Shaw who we would have grown with for 2 movies, and then finally see her fate. It would have added so much, the movie would’ve disregard Shaw as soon as she died but putting so much focus on David teaching the xenomorph even if we still wouldn’t get over her death.
Or at least just put that in a flashback for us to see in Alien Covenant. I think if they would have done it either way especially with making it its own movie, I would have cried, because seeing this scene I wanted to cry for reasons unknown, and if it would have been with Shaw tears would have come from my face still not knowing why.
Nevertheless, the movie was still great, and I came into it wanting the horror action that we saw in aliens and many know, I wasn’t really looking for a philosophical theme from Prometheus, just couldn’t wait for the alien to come out and kill. But when I saw this scene it made me love the philosophical aspect with the xenomorph, and for that this movie and the scene all together was great! For me it took the horror of Alien, the action of Aliens, and the philosophical elements of Prometheus and combined it all for this movie.
This was written by the same writer who wrote Star Trek Nemesis so makes sense really.
Headcanon: David didn’t create the Xenomorphs. The Engineers did. David just made some of his own. That’s why the Xenomorph looks slightly different in this movie. It isn’t a prototype, it’s fan-made.
I was not a fan of Prometheus for a number of reasons. But damn they dropped that pile of turd and moved away as far and fast as possible. In an interview when Scott said that the fan backlash played into how this movie developed, I immediately was concerned, and turned out to be correct.
More than likely a book/anime/comic will be released to fill in all the plot holes and issues these two movies have brought forth.
Also, anyone else getting the same annoyed feeling when they announced the Hobbit would be three movies instead of two? Or is it just me?
Hello from the future, and yes sadly you were right about the hobbit.
I actually quite liked it. Sure, it isn't as good as originals, but on it's own, it's a good film.
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Fassbender is the God of Aliens. That just sounds right.
I just got back from watching it and while I thought I liked it at the time, hearing you lay it all out like that makes me realize that maybe it wasn't such a good movie. Can we please just give the franchise back to James Cameron? I liked Aliens.
However, I will say that I really liked the Xenomorph scenes. I know a lot of people complain about the use of CGI (because all technological progress is evil, amirite?) but thanks to that CGI we get to see the Xenomorph jump and crawl and tear into human fleshbags like a wolf in ways that practical effects would never allow. Seriously, go back and watch Aliens, the movie that boasted an entire swath of Xenomorphs. How many times do you see them on screen, and how impressive are they when you do?
I thought the movie was good, but not great. I loved the xenomorph and the cinematography, however, I felt like the story was missing something. The characters were sort of hollow, deaths were predictable and Shaw's reveal was a let down. I really loved the look of the Xeno, but I wish they would've kept the mystery of the Xeno's movement. Them showing the view from the Xeno's perspective made it less scary. I'm still excited about future Alien movies
CGI is not technological progress if it looks more fake than the original animatronic aliens from the first movies made decades prior.