Finding out which apps are Apple silicon ready: createdlabs.com/how-to-check-which-apps-are-apple-silicon-ready/ Use Windows on your Mac: crtd.tech/parallels My recommended Mac cleaner/optimization program: geni.us/cleanmymacx
Does the issue persist in the latest version so the MacOS like Sonoma and Ventura? Also, would you recommend using the Microsoft Edge Browser over Safari?
This was randomly recommended and I watched its entirety. I don't even have a Macbook. Edit: Welp whaddaya know. The algorithm works. I bought a macbook.
I've been thinking of getting the base model Macbook Air, and still considering the purchase because of this memory swap issue.. What's your take on this?
@@ardianthaputera6970 in my one month of usage of my base model m1 air my disk has been written for 2.13 TBs , i dont know if its bad or good but im happy with this performance laptop
This is a prime example of value-based content. UA-cam is filled with tech reviewers that follow the same god damn format as everyone else taking countless hours about leaks and wishlists that is of no use. Keep doing your thing Liam!
I'm planning to buy a macbook m1, but still have doubts because of this memory swap problem. but after watching this video I feel relieved, thank you 🙌
I’ve got one and see up to 50mb swap and 10gb or less written a day and I was worried. This video and peoples comments about their usage has made me feel better about not getting 16gb(would gotten if Apple sold it in stores)
Number one thing is they cannot do 4K dual monitors unless it’s the mini. I wish I knew that when I bought my M1 MBP. I would have bought a mini. And there is virtually no difference between the MBP and the Air other than a fan that rarely if ever turns on. Outside of that, this is the best machine over owned.
This issue is the result of a bug/oversight from Apple and not just due to unoptimised apps as you mention (even with the overhead of Rosetta) Firefox and Chrome are not optimised even on x86, but I don’t see such kind of crazy swapping even on very constrained Windows /Linux systems with 8GB of RAM or less…I also often boot up multiple VMs on my 16GB RAM equipped laptop, but never hit this level of swap
"I don't really have that many tabs open..." Proceeds to show 20 open tabs... Meanwhile me: Edge not responding when watching a YT video and only one tab open...
@@TejasGuptaMusic 2 GB RAM, 32gb emmc, baytrail z3740 it's a 2013 tablet, worth 350€ at that time. And it's even bad abused cause a lot of time usage and it's dieing. It's cause this that I criticize every machine that now cost more and can't give at least the same performance
It is and it would make sense. memory swap is used as a way to relief the ram. when you run big tasks expect your memory to be used. Funny enough though I've got the mac book air m1 8 core CPU & GPU with 16GBS of ram and 2tbs of storage and I have had memory swap used up on me. Not much but i don't run nothing intensive in here. I keep at most 15 tabs open at all times and maybe a video here and there. Nothing a regular computer couldn't handle. my take would be seeing a m1 with 8gbs ram and 2tbs of storage lmaooo that would be funny now.
Indirectly yes, since if you are not using the internal ssd for storing large files, like movies, high quality videos, then it will have more life left in it, and you will get away even with a significant amount of swap memory usage. And to be fair, most people wouldn't have to worry about swap usage at all, since the ssd will probably last you 5-6 years at bare minimum WITH swap usage, and by that time you will have bought a new MacBook or other laptop anyways. These things are meant to be used, and like everything else that's used, gets amortized. But I assure you that the lifespan of the ssd is the last thing you should worry about in the long run in these laptops.
This is an amazing video. You have caused me to completely change my app routine for my M1 MacBook Pro, of which I have a 16GB, 1TB configuration. I now steer clear of Chrome and Firefox and whenever possible, and I make use of the native Apple software whenever completing routine tasks. To date I have used 0 in swap memory, and managed to have at least 3 Gbs of memory free at any given moment.
I can confirm this. I ended up with the same conclusion. Being a software developer it dawned on me that unoptimized apps and Rosetta 2 more than likely hammer the hardware more than the rest of the apps. As soon as I started using less of those, the machine started feeling a lot snappier, and also swap usage has decreased by a lot.
Bingo, that’s the issue. Every time he shows his browser, he has YT open. The other guys have proven that the streaming of video streams in browsers other than safari is causing caching for the video.
After obsessing over these numbers for a week myself (often seeing 8+ GB swap while running my VMs), I figured it wasn’t worth the mental energy and I returned it. I’ve got a 16GB MBP on order. It’ll take 2-3 weeks to deliver but it’s worth the wait and extra cost if I don’t have to worry about it anymore for the next 5+ years before I buy another laptop
I just bought an 512ssd 8gb MacBook Pro 13”. Is this a bad decision, should I really just stretch my budget the bit I need to go to be able to get a 16gb ram?
Months ago u brought this up even before anyone else even noticed. While most reviewers were showing benchmarks and how good it is for editing...when most don't even know how to edit. You are doing great . Pls review some windows laptops as well.
@@Jan-rn3vj unified memory does not include the solid state drive. It means the M1 design uses the ram for both CPU and GPU. Memory is used to describe ram and not a storage drive.
guess what, some chinese guys show that you can replace both RAM and SSD on the M1, it's not easy but doable, the dude upgrade from 8GB of RAM to 16GB and 1TB of SSD ! wait a few months and maybe a well documented procedure may show up on the net ;)
The honesty of this video pleases me. Your advice is very important to keep M1's with 8 Gb of RAM running for many years after warranty is over. I was appalled by popular videos stating that MacOS on M1 is so memory efficient that 8Gb of RAM is enough for most tasks. Which I found strange since the RISC (M1) instruction set needs more RAM than CISC (x86) and pictures and music libraries take up the same amount of RAM on M1 as on Intel. But not mentioned is that that 'memory efficiency' is mainly by heavily applying the decades old solution of swapping contents from too small RAM to storage, the SSD. The basic M1/8Gb/256Gb Air and Pro are definitely very fast and reasonably priced, although lacking 4K displays. But I am afraid that many people will be disappointed with these particular models if not aware of your advice while using it heavily. I find it sad for used and refurb buyers and for the environment that a dead SSD renders the whole computer to scrap, knowing that the SSD and RAM cannot be replaced or expanded for commercial reasons only. Definitely not for technical reasons.
Obviously they are not the best engineers in the world or they would have not given you such a crap product. One good example, the butterfly keyboard, and now non-replaceable SSDs.
@@jacksongunner7122 People can hate on Apple all they want. I've been building custom PCs for over 10 years, but even though Macs have their drawbacks (I don't agree with the non-replaceable SSD), they are still great products and they've been a great tool for my business and work needs.
@@CreatedTech Exactly. When buying tech you weigh the pros and cons, and Apple as a whole do a lot of things right by a lot of people. If anything they give us a choice in a world otherwise dominated by Windows and Android but stuffed into different hardware by different brands.
*** Important UPDATE: - this bug was completely fixed in the Mac OS Big Sur 11.4 software update. This issue was caused by a data reporting error which overestimated ssd usage.
At 5:48 in both pictures it says 213 power cycles. You didn't go through one single cycle in two weeks? If so, is this because you had it plugged in 24/7?
I havent had this problem weirdly. Have had my macbook for 2 weeks almost, and it´s only written down 6.2GB on the kernel_task. I use it for streaming, editing videoes, surfing the web, writing and some light arcade gaming.
4:50 Interesting, I'm using an 8GB M1 Mac Mini and as it stands, kernel_task has written 7.44 TB over the course of 23 days, of which I've used this mac with medium to heavy usage almost everyday (at least 20 tabs open, Discord, sometimes Safari, Notion, Spotify, 2-3 youtube videos being watched, sometimes taking facetime calls, occasional use of visual studio code, xcode). I wonder what's changed.
New M1 Pro and Air user. My observation has been that Safari with a few tabs open to static pages AND Facebook resulted in over 1.5GB of swap. Switching to Brave, same tabs/pages and the Swap was under 500MB .
Excellent analysis. How would a M1 MacBook Air with 16 GB RAM swap memory performance compare with the M1 MacBook Air with 8 GB RAM you used for your testing?
Getting the 16gb would most likely solve the problem and is the right way to do go. Swap memory is used when theres not enough RAM. In the old days this wouldve looked like an insanely sluggish system, beach balls everywhere. Instead of putting more memory into their stock systems Apple put good, fast SSDs so when it uses swap it doesnt slow down, but it kills the SSD faster instead.
I think a combination of Both because even if you get the 16 Ram, programs will use more Ram because it's available for them, i mean doing some basic work on 16gb ram laptop you might use 8 to 12. when it comes to 8gb ram, also doing basic work you will use from 5 to 7.
On Mac Mini M1 I use Thunderbolt Samsung X5 as OS/Boot Drive - I skip using internal drive - I have a copy of MACOS on it if I ever want to re-install the OS to the X5
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Not sure if I am not pushing my macbook hard enough , but that proces has only written 29GB on my Macbook . Used daily the last 4 months , Safari + Video editing (3 clip multicam footage 4k GH5) + Photo editing . But I have the 16GB Macbook Pro . Great work , love your videos
16gb explains it. I’ve had mine month with 3-10gb written daily just using it to check mail and surf web. I think with 16gb I’d probably have close to no swap. Though most time I only use 6gb of ram so I’m not sure why it swaps at all
After 2 days of getting the M1 air, my kernel_task was 63GB, As a first time mac user. This was kinda scary so I rebooted my Mac. I realized that rebooting stops kernel_task (but till then this swap issue wasn’t out and nobody knew about this swap issue), and then for 3 months, I shut-down my laptop every other day. After 3 months I came to knew about this swap issue thingy. After so much of god damn insane usage editing video for my channel, writing blogs, USING SQUARESPACE on chrome for hours (which takes like 3gb ram, Just Squarespace.) I thought my swap data would be around 300TB+, Yes. I use my laptop like a monkey. After I checked that My overall ssd health is 99% with only 2TB data written. That’s 298TB less than what I thought. Hence: for me, rebooting everyday or once 2 days or once a week reduces swap memory data written. This is a temporary fix for now
Rebooting only ends the kernel task and resets that value in Activity Monitor, it will still write to the SSD normally when you reboot. I'm curious, what RAM and SSD size do you have?
@@CreatedTech I have 256GB M1 AIR. Imagine kernel_task is 100GB, as soon as you reboot your Mac, kernel_task resets to 0. And then it starts again from 0 If you didn’t rebooted your Mac that night, It will rewrite that 100GB from the old session + continue writing from the current session. So technically, If you don’t reboot: 100GB (rewritten) + data of current session If you reboot: 0 (written) + data, only the data of current session. It’s just what I think; and I only use native Mac apps like Xcode, safari, Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, motion
I believe there was an issue in MacOS which has now been fixed. My new MacBook Air has so far only used about 800mb of swap memory in the last couple of days.
I[Developer] [PRO User] simply shutdown my M1 Mac [Air] [16GB], End of the day. shutting down is helping to keep the swap memory at bare minimums and RAM usage was about 45 to 50% at peak usage.
My m1 mac mini is showing 19.81GB of kernal_task bytes written over a 7 day period. It looks like apple has fixed this, or I simply am using the correct optimized apps? I have been using this computer heavily for the past 7 days. Using browsers, GarageBand, brackets, music, etc.
Hi. Wanted to know what is the brand name of that vertical stand you have for your laptop as shown in 3:11 mark. Please let me know! Thank you very much.
Great video! I agree, I just got a Macbook 2021, 16 GB RAM 10 core, and I just noticed the swap usage that led me here. I am going to try some of your tips!
They are Because those Macs simply don’t have enough RAM. With the new unified memory architecture by Apple CPU, GPU, T2-Chip, neural engine literally everything uses this RAM. And with all the additional background tasks running they use several GB RAM without much programs opened. Once you do some heavier tasks they swap like hell because 8 GB is simply not enough Assume this thing swaps 200 GB every day and a 500 GB ssd has 180TB tbw on average: 180.000 / 200 = 900 So in theory the ssd is Dead in 2.5 years by swap only It seems like it could get worse since the uploader had 300-500gb swap per day before
I posted in another forum noting the difference between my 2020 Intel iMac and my M1 MacBook Air. Even when using all 32GB of system memory in the desktop to run virtual machines and compress recorded videos, it does not swap any memory to the SSD. The MBA, by contrast swaps about .5 - 1.5GB of data to the SSD while I am only using 6 of the 8GB of available system memory. Someone noted that the iMac is not conserving system memory while the MBA is because the iMac does not need to. This really reiterates the point that while the M1 Macs are very impressive and very capable, they cannot truly replace a high end machine for high end workflows. For that, we do need to wait for the M1X versions.
3:21 Common misused tech term: Hard Drive only refers to the Hard Disk Drive. Meanwhile, a Drive refers to a disk drive in general which is internal storage. When referring to HDDs or SSDs in general, use *drives* instead.
Congratulations, you've managed to find the only time in the entire video I accidentally said HDD instead of SSD :) Did you not notice at 3:16 (just a few seconds before) I correctly said SSD? Simple slip of the tongue on my part.
Edge on macOS seems like flavored bacon to taste like tomatoes hoping to win back vegetarians: you just completely missed the point of your entire ... :) Just a little fun. If you like edge, go and enjoy.
great video. I use Logic pro daily. Would it be a good idea to wait and buy a M1 mac with 32gb of ram and a 1tb or 2tb ssd? Looks like more ram helps with lowering memory swap.
just got my m1 mac mini 16gb and I was working on an adobe premiere project and then the dreaded "your system is running out of application memory" popped up, forced me to close and I lost 5 hours of progress (even tho it auto-saved). I'm on Monterrey 12.5. Beyond annoyed.
MacOS 12.4 - still an issue? Over 45 days, the kernel task on my M1 MacMini with a 1TB SSD and 16GB of memory has written 33.83TB of data according to the activity monitor. I think this is still an issue and not something that is going to go away any time soon.
Another alternative is to simply disable swap. Granted, you won't be able to multitask as well and your device will suffer more if you're editing, especially on an 8gb machine, but it is the only option that will not damage your SSD at all. I've been doing that on all my devices for years and it's perfectly fine. However, very good observation. I honestly did not think of that at all
@@96Steeve can you either give a link to this or go into vague details? I was under the impression it could only be done on linux... I tried searching it up but couldn't really find anything...
@@creenus_beenus Yeah sure thing. It's not really straightforward but I did this on my M1 air and it's perfectly fine. Basically you have to disable SIP first. you'd do that by rebooting into recovery mode (command + R), select "terminal" from the utilities window and just type in "csrutil disable". restart your mac, launch your terminal and type in "sudo nvram boot-args="vm_compressor=0" to completely disable swap. Here's a link to a better explained tutorial: windsketch.cc/macbook-disable-swap/
Greta video!!!! I just have one cuestión, according to The Web, Microsoft realesed a versión of office already optimized for m1 ( on december).. is that correct? Or is just they optimized it to use it with Rosetta? Thanks for all this great content!!!
I think Apple fixed it. I'm doing light work and some Photo Editing and in the Activities, the Swap Usage is 0. Got my M1 Mac a few Days ago an heard about this Issue and checked. In the last couple of Days, the total Swap was 390mb on my Machine. Got the Base Model M1 Macbook Air.
appreciate your work! After watching all these M1 swap memory issue videos I was not sure about purchasing a new MacBook Air, but the hype got me (4 weeks ago). I updated it within the first 2 days (Version 12.2.3). I'm using Ableton and many RAM intensive plugins, all the drivers for my interfaces and the licence managers for several hours a day. I also use Skype and Discord alot. None of this runs natively and I do not have any problems so far. Maybe the update fixed it or my 16GB RAM compensate it. Just wanted to share my experience. Greetings (sorry not a native speaker)
Seen the issues highlighted in Apple's support pages for M1 devices were pink/green crash screens occur and cause the device to reboot? I've had the green screen myself twice now when not really doing anything excessive.
Question guys: can an external SSD be used instead of the original internal? So as the have all the TBW wear be on the external one and just change it when it’s down
hi, I got my m1 MacBook Air yesterday. Any tips on what I should do ? should I update to latest software? Could I still sideload iOS apps like reddit youtube? Btw I appreciate your hard work. Thank you so much.
btw I posted a SS in reddit. Its just a single time this weird thing happened. I had safari(few tabs, no videos) and word open and kernal task started to writing like crazy. by the time I clicked restart It had wrote over 130GB under 5mins. Thing never happened again though. I was on 11.2.3 and I had no rosetta app running. So I believe there's something out there which needs to be fixed.
Thanks for video :) On my mini m1-16gb I use Samsung X5 as boot drive. Bit less write speed but not too noticeable. No worries and let the software wear it out. Replace with 970 Evo if slows down.
You should also take a look at Apple M1 SSD Survey Results - Part 1 from Constant Geekery on UA-cam. And then especially the 7:16 Video buffering to SSD part. There you can see that even the most up-to-date version of chrome writes a lot of data to the SSD compared to Safari while streaming video (UA-cam). I always advice Mac users (especially MacBook users) to user safari for the following reasons. Better battery life Better for your privacy Syncs better with your other apple devices Support Apple Pay Has a good reader mode Handoff to other apple devices
would you recommend buying the base model m1 air at the moment, or wait for the announcement later in the year for the 2021 model macs? I would be using it for word processing, browsing and photo editing via lightroom!
I think the takeaway is that while it's perfectly possible to run three different browsers, each with plenty of tabs, and a load of other apps (both Apple and Intel), it's not necessarily advisable with the base model. In terms of swap, I find Edge seems quite efficient. If you're in the Microsoft Space, you can save resources by running things like Teams and Skype (both otherwise Intel based at the moment) from inside Edge. Right now, I'm running Word, OneNote, Tw@tter, Safari and Edge (both with exactly the tabs I need). 81.5MB of swap space and 1.68GB of cached files (so not too bad).
another idea: the speed of the internal ssd is high at round about 2800 read and 2200 write. so faster than the most external ubs3.2-drives. my idea to higher the livespan is: using an external drive with up to 2800 readspeed and use a part (a small partition) of the internal ssd for the swapper. so you have the chance to use a part the internal ssd a serveral times until it breaks ... what do you think ?
Safari (Monterey 12.1) and Chrome are both the worst offenders (M1 optimized) .. exactly the same. My guess is that internal caching of web sites using the new grouped tabs features is one of the worst culprits for me. Its related to the tabbing and caching - facility to reopen tab groups mean that in the background these things are kept "live"
Man I have seen u grow since 2k subs and ur content was really great and also is much more useful now Thanks man I have been searching for a solution since long but haven't found any anywhere. You made my day and now those dreams of my Mac being dead after 2 years won't haunt my anymore edit: idk how it got unsubscribed so I had to re subscribe
I was only really worried because I had my MacBook for 2 months now and it never used ANY swap data. (My usual bites written was around 1GB per day even with apps like discord open.) It was just recently that I got parallels desktop for my Mac and all of a sudden it jumped to 200GB per day.
I noticed the same change in TBW while adapting my usage to dedicated m1 apps. Also, in Chrome I have some weird audio issues while playing back videos (clipping, balance), while the same page with embedded video (tested on Vimeo and UA-cam) plays very nicely without hiccups on Safari. There is a lot of optimization to be done for the M1 yet! Even for some M1 compatible apps such as Chrome.
is it possible to change the swapper to an external m2(usb-c)-drive ? for protecting the internal ssd. if seen a chinese-video 5 minutes ago, where to be shown how to unsolder and solder an greater ssd to the mac-board ...
Still MacOS seems to have very poor memory management. Normally a PC shouldn’t use any swap when there is enough free RAM space. Because RAM is way faster. There is no benefit in copying data to swap partition on ssd other than when the PC needs the RAM space for something else and there is not enough free RAM left over. Every Linux OS has a 2GB swap partition where the OS can swap to by default. And I have never seen my Linux PC use this 2GB for swap because it has more than enough RAM and doesn’t need to use swap. 8:50 You can see that there are still so many tasks running in the background most eating 10-50 mb each which adds up to several GB. Additionally Apples new unified memory architecture gets rid of dedicated RAM only for GPU and other things. Now the CPU, GPU, neural engine, T2 chip and whatever all use this RAM. Simply put: Macs with 8 GB RAM dont have enough RAM for intermediate tasks unless they use swap. Never thought I’d say this but MacOS seems to be more bloated than Windows nowadays. The average 500GB NVMe SSD has an average life span of 180TB tbw. Assume the Mac swaps 200GB every day (average from this Videos before and after): 180.000 / 200 = 900 So a 500gb SSD in one of those MacBooks is essentially dead in about 2.5 years just from swap in theory. Great job
You always spot on when giving information! Btw im in buying decision, if I would produce youtube video once a week with davinci resolve with source video of 4K top, anything would be browsing, online meeting, which one should i pick, air or pro? 8 or 16 ram? Thank you mate!
Light editing once a week = go for 8GB Air. If your budget can stretch it, go for 16GB (better for editing). If you can stretch it again, go for Pro with 16GB.
@@CreatedTech really appreciate your answer in detail, mate! so better skip it to 16gb pro rather than 8gb pro? somehow my budget on 8gb pro and in your videos you mention if I'm constantly using in a day, the fan might help.
It appears the swap used was 0 bytes until after sleep/wake cycle, suddenly it's increased 600MB each time. By the end of the day, 4GB of Swap was used with KernelTask process written 200GB for the day! Something is amiss in the sleep/wake cycle.
Hey, I just updated to macOS Big Sur 11.3 and am currently getting no swap usage at all. I have opened basically every app on my Mac and still no swap usage. This is great news! Seems like apple has addressed the issue... 😃👨🏻💻
Off topic question, but seeing as you watch lots of UA-cam (as do I), what would you say your battery usage is. From full charge and lots of UA-cam videos, how long do you say your battery lasts?
It is the same for all M1? Doesn't have installed any app for checking the health of my SSD, but since the last 17 days Kernel task only have writen 517gb. I work everyday with AI which hasn't been updated at this moment, and also using FF everyday, using the computer about 5 hours a day everyday.
I’m facing a problem in changing my preference settings in finder, i chose to open the download folder by default and search the current folder instead of the whole mac by default, however these settings does not apply even though it’s already selected !! My finder keeps opening a random folder by default called “searching this mac”. Also when i try to search for a something it stiil searches the whole mac! I can’t find a solution for that! I would be so happy if you help me solve this issue.
in march 2022 i bought got it in may of 2022 a 2021 MBPRO M1 max 32gb ram 2 tb drive no final cut pro, I don’t do any video editing, this machine should be overkill for my use. I just use Safari alot Microsoft Office use it for picture storage mostly just like clerical work. when I just tried out activity monitor is having anything going on on my computer and it was using 27.91 GB of memory swap users 9.44 GB not sure if this is a problem or not. I did download the DDX, but I haven’t used my free trial yet. I wasn’t sure I needed to. i do use it daily
My mac mini had 450gb written and 800 read and 75 cycles new out of box from apple. So somethings wrong or they literally t ested the crap out of it, or all the software for reading lifespans etc on drives is broken.
If the arm mac lineup offers slotted/replaceable ram and ssd, I will buy them no doubt. For some people who believed that ARM chips really require different ram type and different storage type... It's a myth. As an example, a low-end chromebook has a phone-like lpddr4, and phone-like eMMc storage, and it has an x86 processor. And vice versa, an ARM server exists with full size ddr4 ECC slots on its side. And surely Tons of SSDs connected through a full-size PCIe.
How about is you have 1TB and a 16-would it still write heavily?? I ONLY use safari...some 1080 video on FCPX Word and some UA-cam videos that’s about it!
Finding out which apps are Apple silicon ready: createdlabs.com/how-to-check-which-apps-are-apple-silicon-ready/
Use Windows on your Mac: crtd.tech/parallels
My recommended Mac cleaner/optimization program: geni.us/cleanmymacx
Try the same with intel Mac with 8 gb of ram you noticed it not just m1 issue in my opinion
I have a question is Netflix app killing mac's ssd?
I use blender silicone ver but I render 4k pics and animations too at 4k60fps is it ok??? Will mac will live atleast for 7 8 yrs?? Please tell me
Does the issue persist in the latest version so the MacOS like Sonoma and Ventura? Also, would you recommend using the Microsoft Edge Browser over Safari?
This was randomly recommended and I watched its entirety. I don't even have a Macbook.
Edit: Welp whaddaya know. The algorithm works. I bought a macbook.
lmaooo
I bought one this week too lmao
Good for you bro wkwkwk
I've been thinking of getting the base model Macbook Air, and still considering the purchase because of this memory swap issue.. What's your take on this?
@@ardianthaputera6970 in my one month of usage of my base model m1 air my disk has been written for 2.13 TBs , i dont know if its bad or good but im happy with this performance laptop
This is a prime example of value-based content. UA-cam is filled with tech reviewers that follow the same god damn format as everyone else taking countless hours about leaks and wishlists that is of no use. Keep doing your thing Liam!
you look hot 💪🏻🔥
If only I could delete complete channels from youtube, it would save so much time searching.
@@ibendiben Which ones would those be, please? Then I can give them a wide berth... 😳
That's literally a work of almost 15 days
Great work liam
"Try not to use unoptimized apps"
Well, almost every app that I need is unoptimized for M1
what about now?
@@kalakaksh well a lot of time has passed, probably most of them are optimized now
Can’t appreciate your diligence enough. You guys are like my daily apple news channel.
I'm planning to buy a macbook m1, but still have doubts because of this memory swap problem. but after watching this video I feel relieved, thank you 🙌
I’ve got one and see up to 50mb swap and 10gb or less written a day and I was worried. This video and peoples comments about their usage has made me feel better about not getting 16gb(would gotten if Apple sold it in stores)
Number one thing is they cannot do 4K dual monitors unless it’s the mini. I wish I knew that when I bought my M1 MBP. I would have bought a mini. And there is virtually no difference between the MBP and the Air other than a fan that rarely if ever turns on. Outside of that, this is the best machine over owned.
Get the 16 Ram version, i've made a big mistake getting the 8gb ram
@@ANAS577 NO! There is no difference between 16 and 8 gb. Straight up, no difference. Both use 2-3 gb swap memory.
This issue is the result of a bug/oversight from Apple and not just due to unoptimised apps as you mention (even with the overhead of Rosetta) Firefox and Chrome are not optimised even on x86, but I don’t see such kind of crazy swapping even on very constrained Windows /Linux systems with 8GB of RAM or less…I also often boot up multiple VMs on my 16GB RAM equipped laptop, but never hit this level of swap
Maybe it’s on purpose to make people buy more macs
"I don't really have that many tabs open..."
Proceeds to show 20 open tabs...
Meanwhile me: Edge not responding when watching a YT video and only one tab open...
Even my T100TA of the 2013 can keep 13-20 Edge tab opened. You should make some check on your device
@@lucabastianello9830 How much ram? And what processor? And hdd or ssd?
@@TejasGuptaMusic 2 GB RAM, 32gb emmc, baytrail z3740 it's a 2013 tablet, worth 350€ at that time. And it's even bad abused cause a lot of time usage and it's dieing. It's cause this that I criticize every machine that now cost more and can't give at least the same performance
@@alex_schwartz Yes. I'm still using an hdd 😑
@@lucabastianello9830 Oh...running windows 10?
It would be interesting to compare again the 8 vs 16gb version with only m1 apps and see if the swap memory is higher on the 8gb model.
It is and it would make sense. memory swap is used as a way to relief the ram. when you run big tasks expect your memory to be used. Funny enough though I've got the mac book air m1 8 core CPU & GPU with 16GBS of ram and 2tbs of storage and I have had memory swap used up on me. Not much but i don't run nothing intensive in here. I keep at most 15 tabs open at all times and maybe a video here and there. Nothing a regular computer couldn't handle. my take would be seeing a m1 with 8gbs ram and 2tbs of storage lmaooo that would be funny now.
@@13gta do you know a method to run a process entirely in ram? i do need a process to be fast and it seems ssd swap is reducing speed
Does an external SSD (like the M.2 that you made a video about) would help reducing the damages to the internal SSD ?
Thanks for all the videos 😉
No
Indirectly yes, since if you are not using the internal ssd for storing large files, like movies, high quality videos, then it will have more life left in it, and you will get away even with a significant amount of swap memory usage. And to be fair, most people wouldn't have to worry about swap usage at all, since the ssd will probably last you 5-6 years at bare minimum WITH swap usage, and by that time you will have bought a new MacBook or other laptop anyways. These things are meant to be used, and like everything else that's used, gets amortized. But I assure you that the lifespan of the ssd is the last thing you should worry about in the long run in these laptops.
This is an amazing video. You have caused me to completely change my app routine for my M1 MacBook Pro, of which I have a 16GB, 1TB configuration. I now steer clear of Chrome and Firefox and whenever possible, and I make use of the native Apple software whenever completing routine tasks. To date I have used 0 in swap memory, and managed to have at least 3 Gbs of memory free at any given moment.
The commitment to make such video is remarkable! Great job 🙏
I can confirm this. I ended up with the same conclusion. Being a software developer it dawned on me that unoptimized apps and Rosetta 2 more than likely hammer the hardware more than the rest of the apps. As soon as I started using less of those, the machine started feeling a lot snappier, and also swap usage has decreased by a lot.
I’m curious, what apps were/are you using?
@@orincywhytedesigns Yes, I too would like to know this!
If you watch streaming video (UA-cam, Amazon Prime, Netflix), most browsers constantly write to the SSD, Safari doesn't do that.
Bingo, that’s the issue. Every time he shows his browser, he has YT open. The other guys have proven that the streaming of video streams in browsers other than safari is causing caching for the video.
@@DylanDurdle Not terabytes a day though, which is what some people reported.
@@cppguy16 incorrect. One of the videos showed watching 4K YT videos generated 300gb in 3 hours.
How safari not do that they all say safari do write on add more ??
After obsessing over these numbers for a week myself (often seeing 8+ GB swap while running my VMs), I figured it wasn’t worth the mental energy and I returned it. I’ve got a 16GB MBP on order. It’ll take 2-3 weeks to deliver but it’s worth the wait and extra cost if I don’t have to worry about it anymore for the next 5+ years before I buy another laptop
I just bought an 512ssd 8gb MacBook Pro 13”. Is this a bad decision, should I really just stretch my budget the bit I need to go to be able to get a 16gb ram?
I got an ad for memory loss in old people before this vid started lol uhhh wrong kind of memory
oof
Same, had a good chuckle with how well UA-cam algorithms work
If only those old people had used swap memory, they wouldn't have had any issues.
*COMMENT below if you've experienced similar swap issues or you have any additional insight!*
pls test Brave Browser It's perfect, you won't believe my words. The further experience is a big difference between other browsers
@@mohamedadnan7310 Have you compared Brave with Edge? I had a similar experience with that switch, when coming from Chrome.
Hi, great video. I thought Firefox since version 84 had native M1 support?
@@gigathlete2277 yeah firefox is M1 app
Firefox has aarch64 support (just to correct you)
I just downloaded ram from the internet and now I have additional 32 Gigs. Hope it reduces swap usage.
Months ago u brought this up even before anyone else even noticed. While most reviewers were showing benchmarks and how good it is for editing...when most don't even know how to edit.
You are doing great . Pls review some windows laptops as well.
This would be that much of a concern if Apple had put in a replaceable SSD.
Then the whole unified memory thing wouldn't be a thing at all AFAIK
@@Jan-rn3vj unified memory does not include the solid state drive. It means the M1 design uses the ram for both CPU and GPU. Memory is used to describe ram and not a storage drive.
guess what, some chinese guys show that you can replace both RAM and SSD on the M1, it's not easy but doable, the dude upgrade from 8GB of RAM to 16GB and 1TB of SSD ! wait a few months and maybe a well documented procedure may show up on the net ;)
The honesty of this video pleases me. Your advice is very important to keep M1's with 8 Gb of RAM running for many years after warranty is over.
I was appalled by popular videos stating that MacOS on M1 is so memory efficient that 8Gb of RAM is enough for most tasks. Which I found strange since the RISC (M1) instruction set needs more RAM than CISC (x86) and pictures and music libraries take up the same amount of RAM on M1 as on Intel. But not mentioned is that that 'memory efficiency' is mainly by heavily applying the decades old solution of swapping contents from too small RAM to storage, the SSD. The basic M1/8Gb/256Gb Air and Pro are definitely very fast and reasonably priced, although lacking 4K displays. But I am afraid that many people will be disappointed with these particular models if not aware of your advice while using it heavily. I find it sad for used and refurb buyers and for the environment that a dead SSD renders the whole computer to scrap, knowing that the SSD and RAM cannot be replaced or expanded for commercial reasons only. Definitely not for technical reasons.
Thousands of the best engineers of the world vs. one Aussie tinkerer. Who might know best?
It's the kangaroo juice mate, makes us think harder
@@CreatedTech shhhh don't give away our secret sauce
Obviously they are not the best engineers in the world or they would have not given you such a crap product. One good example, the butterfly keyboard, and now non-replaceable SSDs.
@@jacksongunner7122 People can hate on Apple all they want. I've been building custom PCs for over 10 years, but even though Macs have their drawbacks (I don't agree with the non-replaceable SSD), they are still great products and they've been a great tool for my business and work needs.
@@CreatedTech Exactly. When buying tech you weigh the pros and cons, and Apple as a whole do a lot of things right by a lot of people. If anything they give us a choice in a world otherwise dominated by Windows and Android but stuffed into different hardware by different brands.
*** Important UPDATE:
- this bug was completely fixed in the Mac OS Big Sur 11.4 software update. This issue was caused by a data reporting error which overestimated ssd usage.
really?
@@JVJath yes 👍
@@JVJathyes👍
@@lawrencelim6890 How do I check if my Mac is all right? I have 8gb
im on 11.6 , my Ram is screwed from Safari. I guess there is no solution
At 5:48 in both pictures it says 213 power cycles. You didn't go through one single cycle in two weeks? If so, is this because you had it plugged in 24/7?
Hi,same issue here with 2015 MBP and OS Big Sur...
I havent had this problem weirdly. Have had my macbook for 2 weeks almost, and it´s only written down 6.2GB on the kernel_task. I use it for streaming, editing videoes, surfing the web, writing and some light arcade gaming.
do u have an 8gb ram or 16gb ram model?
@@creenus_beenus 8gb
This proves some ppl are just getting defective macbooks or its some non-optimized program slowly killing the ssd
how can you check the bytes written in the activity monitor? I have it open but don't see that column
@@jerrystation You got to add it by right clicking in the top bar where the other info´s are written.
4:50 Interesting, I'm using an 8GB M1 Mac Mini and as it stands, kernel_task has written 7.44 TB over the course of 23 days, of which I've used this mac with medium to heavy usage almost everyday (at least 20 tabs open, Discord, sometimes Safari, Notion, Spotify, 2-3 youtube videos being watched, sometimes taking facetime calls, occasional use of visual studio code, xcode). I wonder what's changed.
Oh I misunderstood. We've used roughly the same amount. Makes sense.
New M1 Pro and Air user. My observation has been that Safari with a few tabs open to static pages AND Facebook resulted in over 1.5GB of swap. Switching to Brave, same tabs/pages and the Swap was under 500MB .
Must be Facebook. I use Safari for UA-cam(2-5) and other sites and at most get 50mb swap. With mail or chrome open too
@@sly2792004 I'm sure that it is Facebook. However, the condition doesn't manifest using Brave browser.
@@DannyThompson54 what's brave browser and who runs it?
Excellent analysis. How would a M1 MacBook Air with 16 GB RAM swap memory performance compare with the M1 MacBook Air with 8 GB RAM you used for your testing?
Constant Geeker did a vid about that. Its about half the amount for a 16gb vs 8gb version
Way better. I have the pro with 16GB and I just got 1.9 TB SSD usage after almost 2 months with many apps installed etc.
Would getting the 16gb M1 help? Or the larger SSD? Great video, been watching a lot your content since I got a Mac last Sunday.
Good question...I had that question too
Getting the 16gb would most likely solve the problem and is the right way to do go. Swap memory is used when theres not enough RAM. In the old days this wouldve looked like an insanely sluggish system, beach balls everywhere. Instead of putting more memory into their stock systems Apple put good, fast SSDs so when it uses swap it doesnt slow down, but it kills the SSD faster instead.
I think a combination of Both because even if you get the 16 Ram, programs will use more Ram because it's available for them, i mean doing some basic work on 16gb ram laptop you might use 8 to 12.
when it comes to 8gb ram, also doing basic work you will use from 5 to 7.
On Mac Mini M1 I use Thunderbolt Samsung X5 as OS/Boot Drive - I skip using internal drive - I have a copy of MACOS on it if I ever want to re-install the OS to the X5
Not sure if I am not pushing my macbook hard enough , but that proces has only written 29GB on my Macbook . Used daily the last 4 months , Safari + Video editing (3 clip multicam footage 4k GH5) + Photo editing . But I have the 16GB Macbook Pro . Great work , love your videos
16gb explains it. I’ve had mine month with 3-10gb written daily just using it to check mail and surf web. I think with 16gb I’d probably have close to no swap. Though most time I only use 6gb of ram so I’m not sure why it swaps at all
Will the decreased usage of swap in the latest version MacOS have an performance impact which makes previous M1 Mac speedtests and reviews unreliable?
It just matters if those tests and benchmarks and work flows were "m1 optimized" or not.
After 2 days of getting the M1 air, my kernel_task was 63GB, As a first time mac user. This was kinda scary so I rebooted my Mac. I realized that rebooting stops kernel_task (but till then this swap issue wasn’t out and nobody knew about this swap issue), and then for 3 months, I shut-down my laptop every other day.
After 3 months I came to knew about this swap issue thingy. After so much of god damn insane usage editing video for my channel, writing blogs, USING SQUARESPACE on chrome for hours (which takes like 3gb ram, Just Squarespace.)
I thought my swap data would be around 300TB+, Yes. I use my laptop like a monkey.
After I checked that
My overall ssd health is 99% with only 2TB data written. That’s 298TB less than what I thought.
Hence: for me, rebooting everyday or once 2 days or once a week reduces swap memory data written. This is a temporary fix for now
Is that bad 99% ?
Rebooting only ends the kernel task and resets that value in Activity Monitor, it will still write to the SSD normally when you reboot. I'm curious, what RAM and SSD size do you have?
@@CreatedTech I have 256GB M1 AIR.
Imagine kernel_task is 100GB, as soon as you reboot your Mac, kernel_task resets to 0. And then it starts again from 0
If you didn’t rebooted your Mac that night, It will rewrite that 100GB from the old session + continue writing from the current session.
So technically,
If you don’t reboot: 100GB (rewritten) + data of current session
If you reboot: 0 (written) + data, only the data of current session.
It’s just what I think; and I only use native Mac apps like Xcode, safari, Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, motion
I believe there was an issue in MacOS which has now been fixed. My new MacBook Air has so far only used about 800mb of swap memory in the last couple of days.
Really??? If that’s true, I’ll be so relieved and buy Macbook Air immediately
Btw, may i ask you what version your macbook is? (8 or 16gb ram) ( sorry about my grammar )
@@leuchung5440 11.5.2
@@PaulHojda How do you check total swap memory used?
I[Developer] [PRO User] simply shutdown my M1 Mac [Air] [16GB], End of the day. shutting down is helping to keep the swap memory at bare minimums and RAM usage was about 45 to 50% at peak usage.
Which most user using m1 device won't do. Apple has make shutting down the computer less convenient than before.
My m1 mac mini is showing 19.81GB of kernal_task bytes written over a 7 day period. It looks like apple has fixed this, or I simply am using the correct optimized apps? I have been using this computer heavily for the past 7 days. Using browsers, GarageBand, brackets, music, etc.
Hi. Wanted to know what is the brand name of that vertical stand you have for your laptop as shown in 3:11 mark. Please let me know! Thank you very much.
I have a video featuring this coming in the next 3-4 days, it's a basic one from Amazon
Great video! I agree, I just got a Macbook 2021, 16 GB RAM 10 core, and I just noticed the swap usage that led me here. I am going to try some of your tips!
I have a Samsung SSD as my Windows/Apps system drive and I have only 42.3TB written in 6 YEARS, lol. These numbers on the M1 are insane!
They are
Because those Macs simply don’t have enough RAM.
With the new unified memory architecture by Apple CPU, GPU, T2-Chip, neural engine literally everything uses this RAM.
And with all the additional background tasks running they use several GB RAM without much programs opened.
Once you do some heavier tasks they swap like hell because 8 GB is simply not enough
Assume this thing swaps 200 GB every day and a 500 GB ssd has 180TB tbw on average:
180.000 / 200 = 900
So in theory the ssd is Dead in 2.5 years by swap only
It seems like it could get worse since the uploader had 300-500gb swap per day before
I posted in another forum noting the difference between my 2020 Intel iMac and my M1 MacBook Air. Even when using all 32GB of system memory in the desktop to run virtual machines and compress recorded videos, it does not swap any memory to the SSD. The MBA, by contrast swaps about .5 - 1.5GB of data to the SSD while I am only using 6 of the 8GB of available system memory. Someone noted that the iMac is not conserving system memory while the MBA is because the iMac does not need to. This really reiterates the point that while the M1 Macs are very impressive and very capable, they cannot truly replace a high end machine for high end workflows. For that, we do need to wait for the M1X versions.
3:21 Common misused tech term: Hard Drive only refers to the Hard Disk Drive. Meanwhile, a Drive refers to a disk drive in general which is internal storage. When referring to HDDs or SSDs in general, use *drives* instead.
Congratulations, you've managed to find the only time in the entire video I accidentally said HDD instead of SSD :) Did you not notice at 3:16 (just a few seconds before) I correctly said SSD? Simple slip of the tongue on my part.
@@CreatedTech understandable
Photoshop is updated for M1 now, but not Lightroom Classic. And that’s what I use the most. *sigh*
Can you please make a comparison between optimized browsers for the m1 chip? chrome, edge, safari... Are there more?
Edge on macOS seems like flavored bacon to taste like tomatoes hoping to win back vegetarians: you just completely missed the point of your entire ...
:)
Just a little fun. If you like edge, go and enjoy.
great video. I use Logic pro daily. Would it be a good idea to wait and buy a M1 mac with 32gb of ram and a 1tb or 2tb ssd?
Looks like more ram helps with lowering memory swap.
Da Vinci Resolve 17 and Photoshop has now been optimised for M1 as of last week itself so won't be any trouble using those apps anymore ^-^
just got my m1 mac mini 16gb and I was working on an adobe premiere project and then the dreaded "your system is running out of application memory" popped up, forced me to close and I lost 5 hours of progress (even tho it auto-saved). I'm on Monterrey 12.5. Beyond annoyed.
1:41 Bahah definitely not because people have pointed out “2:43am” in past screen recordings. Great video mate👌
I will not be judged for my sleeping pattern!
so if i understood correct, use only m1 ready apps.
did you also suggest to shit down the mac after every use or did i miss understood that?
MacOS 12.4 - still an issue? Over 45 days, the kernel task on my M1 MacMini with a 1TB SSD and 16GB of memory has written 33.83TB of data according to the activity monitor. I think this is still an issue and not something that is going to go away any time soon.
Another alternative is to simply disable swap. Granted, you won't be able to multitask as well and your device will suffer more if you're editing, especially on an 8gb machine, but it is the only option that will not damage your SSD at all. I've been doing that on all my devices for years and it's perfectly fine. However, very good observation. I honestly did not think of that at all
I dont think that there is a way to do that on macbooks though
@@creenus_beenus There is.. I am a mac user and I do this on every device I own
@@96Steeve can you either give a link to this or go into vague details? I was under the impression it could only be done on linux... I tried searching it up but couldn't really find anything...
@@creenus_beenus Yeah sure thing. It's not really straightforward but I did this on my M1 air and it's perfectly fine. Basically you have to disable SIP first. you'd do that by rebooting into recovery mode (command + R), select "terminal" from the utilities window and just type in "csrutil disable". restart your mac, launch your terminal and type in "sudo nvram boot-args="vm_compressor=0" to completely disable swap.
Here's a link to a better explained tutorial: windsketch.cc/macbook-disable-swap/
this will allow oom killers to kill relevant processes and lock up the system when a single process tries to overcommit memory. disabling swap is bad.
Greta video!!!! I just have one cuestión, according to The Web, Microsoft realesed a versión of office already optimized for m1 ( on december).. is that correct? Or is just they optimized it to use it with Rosetta?
Thanks for all this great content!!!
I think Apple fixed it. I'm doing light work and some Photo Editing and in the Activities, the Swap Usage is 0. Got my M1 Mac a few Days ago an heard about this Issue and checked. In the last couple of Days, the total Swap was 390mb on my Machine. Got the Base Model M1 Macbook Air.
Just got a new m1 air. Anyway to disable the unit from turning on when you hit a key or click the mouse? It’s annoying.
appreciate your work!
After watching all these M1 swap memory issue videos I was not sure about purchasing a new MacBook Air, but the hype got me (4 weeks ago). I updated it within the first 2 days (Version 12.2.3). I'm using Ableton and many RAM intensive plugins, all the drivers for my interfaces and the licence managers for several hours a day. I also use Skype and Discord alot. None of this runs natively and I do not have any problems so far. Maybe the update fixed it or my 16GB RAM compensate it. Just wanted to share my experience. Greetings (sorry not a native speaker)
I use the latest version of the Chrome on an m1 macbook air and this problem seems to have been resolved.
it’s been six months, has the issue been fixed by Apple?
Seen the issues highlighted in Apple's support pages for M1 devices were pink/green crash screens occur and cause the device to reboot? I've had the green screen myself twice now when not really doing anything excessive.
perfect investigation sir Sherlock, informative and well made. usefull stuff.
Question guys: can an external SSD be used instead of the original internal? So as the have all the TBW wear be on the external one and just change it when it’s down
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hi, I got my m1 MacBook Air yesterday. Any tips on what I should do ? should I update to latest software? Could I still sideload iOS apps like reddit youtube? Btw I appreciate your hard work. Thank you so much.
I don't see that high swap use on my 16GB M1 MBA, it must be an issue with 8GB models
I saw one M1 SSD died with 600TB writes. could be a defective one though. not sure.
Was he launching rockets with it?
btw constant Geekery found that every browser except safari buffers youtube videos into the SSD.
I wrote these comments while watching the video btw. 😝 Great video Liam!
@@monara97 what if activity monitor doesn't show Safari doing that?
btw I posted a SS in reddit. Its just a single time this weird thing happened. I had safari(few tabs, no videos) and word open and kernal task started to writing like crazy. by the time I clicked restart It had wrote over 130GB under 5mins. Thing never happened again though. I was on 11.2.3 and I had no rosetta app running. So I believe there's something out there which needs to be fixed.
Thanks for video :)
On my mini m1-16gb I use Samsung X5 as boot drive. Bit less write speed but not too noticeable.
No worries and let the software wear it out. Replace with 970 Evo if slows down.
Can you help me out regarding this? Want same setup as yours
I was interested in getting an M1 MacBook, But I don't want compromises :( im sad
Do it. The M1 is fantastic. Just shut down the third party apps when not using them.
You should also take a look at Apple M1 SSD Survey Results - Part 1 from Constant Geekery on UA-cam. And then especially the 7:16 Video buffering to SSD part. There you can see that even the most up-to-date version of chrome writes a lot of data to the SSD compared to Safari while streaming video (UA-cam). I always advice Mac users (especially MacBook users) to user safari for the following reasons.
Better battery life
Better for your privacy
Syncs better with your other apple devices
Support Apple Pay
Has a good reader mode
Handoff to other apple devices
also its faster
@@chidorirasenganz true, should have added it to my list :D
@@Visualization1 it’s all good you got the rest 😂
would you recommend buying the base model m1 air at the moment, or wait for the announcement later in the year for the 2021 model macs?
I would be using it for word processing, browsing and photo editing via lightroom!
Nothing wrong with the base model Air! No point waiting 8 months if you need a new laptop now
I think the takeaway is that while it's perfectly possible to run three different browsers, each with plenty of tabs, and a load of other apps (both Apple and Intel), it's not necessarily advisable with the base model. In terms of swap, I find Edge seems quite efficient. If you're in the Microsoft Space, you can save resources by running things like Teams and Skype (both otherwise Intel based at the moment) from inside Edge. Right now, I'm running Word, OneNote, Tw@tter, Safari and Edge (both with exactly the tabs I need). 81.5MB of swap space and 1.68GB of cached files (so not too bad).
Great job. Are you planning a video on "Apple M1 Exposes Vulnerability Against Javascript-Free Side-Channel Attacks"?
another idea: the speed of the internal ssd is high at round about 2800 read and 2200 write. so faster than the most external ubs3.2-drives. my idea to higher the livespan is: using an external drive with up to 2800 readspeed and use a part (a small partition) of the internal ssd for the swapper. so you have the chance to use a part the internal ssd a serveral times until it breaks ... what do you think ?
Safari (Monterey 12.1) and Chrome are both the worst offenders (M1 optimized) .. exactly the same. My guess is that internal caching of web sites using the new grouped tabs features is one of the worst culprits for me.
Its related to the tabbing and caching - facility to reopen tab groups mean that in the background these things are kept "live"
Man I have seen u grow since 2k subs and ur content was really great and also is much more useful now Thanks man I have been searching for a solution since long but haven't found any anywhere. You made my day and now those dreams of my Mac being dead after 2 years won't haunt my anymore
edit: idk how it got unsubscribed so I had to re subscribe
I was only really worried because I had my MacBook for 2 months now and it never used ANY swap data. (My usual bites written was around 1GB per day even with apps like discord open.) It was just recently that I got parallels desktop for my Mac and all of a sudden it jumped to 200GB per day.
I noticed the same change in TBW while adapting my usage to dedicated m1 apps.
Also, in Chrome I have some weird audio issues while playing back videos (clipping, balance), while the same page with embedded video (tested on Vimeo and UA-cam) plays very nicely without hiccups on Safari.
There is a lot of optimization to be done for the M1 yet! Even for some M1 compatible apps such as Chrome.
is it possible to change the swapper to an external m2(usb-c)-drive ? for protecting the internal ssd. if seen a chinese-video 5 minutes ago, where to be shown how to unsolder and solder an greater ssd to the mac-board ...
My M1 Mac using 7gb swab per days. Is that normal?
Thought Firefox is optimized for Apple Silicon?
Still MacOS seems to have very poor memory management.
Normally a PC shouldn’t use any swap when there is enough free RAM space.
Because RAM is way faster. There is no benefit in copying data to swap partition on ssd other than when the PC needs the RAM space for something else and there is not enough free RAM left over.
Every Linux OS has a 2GB swap partition where the OS can swap to by default.
And I have never seen my Linux PC use this 2GB for swap because it has more than enough RAM and doesn’t need to use swap.
8:50 You can see that there are still so many tasks running in the background most eating 10-50 mb each which adds up to several GB.
Additionally Apples new unified memory architecture gets rid of dedicated RAM only for GPU and other things.
Now the CPU, GPU, neural engine, T2 chip and whatever all use this RAM.
Simply put: Macs with 8 GB RAM dont have enough RAM for intermediate tasks unless they use swap.
Never thought I’d say this but MacOS seems to be more bloated than Windows nowadays.
The average 500GB NVMe SSD has an average life span of 180TB tbw.
Assume the Mac swaps 200GB every day (average from this Videos before and after):
180.000 / 200 = 900
So a 500gb SSD in one of those MacBooks is essentially dead in about 2.5 years just from swap in theory.
Great job
good video. heard any swap issues with 16gb ram?
You always spot on when giving information!
Btw im in buying decision, if I would produce youtube video once a week with davinci resolve with source video of 4K top, anything would be browsing, online meeting, which one should i pick, air or pro? 8 or 16 ram? Thank you mate!
Light editing once a week = go for 8GB Air. If your budget can stretch it, go for 16GB (better for editing). If you can stretch it again, go for Pro with 16GB.
@@CreatedTech really appreciate your answer in detail, mate! so better skip it to 16gb pro rather than 8gb pro? somehow my budget on 8gb pro and in your videos you mention if I'm constantly using in a day, the fan might help.
It appears the swap used was 0 bytes until after sleep/wake cycle, suddenly it's increased 600MB each time. By the end of the day, 4GB of Swap was used with KernelTask process written 200GB for the day!
Something is amiss in the sleep/wake cycle.
Hey,
I just updated to macOS Big Sur 11.3 and am currently getting no swap usage at all. I have opened basically every app on my Mac and still no swap usage. This is great news! Seems like apple has addressed the issue... 😃👨🏻💻
Good to know!
for real ? I got 3% already after 3 months
Off topic question, but seeing as you watch lots of UA-cam (as do I), what would you say your battery usage is. From full charge and lots of UA-cam videos, how long do you say your battery lasts?
Is it solved now in Aug 2022?
It is the same for all M1? Doesn't have installed any app for checking the health of my SSD, but since the last 17 days Kernel task only have writen 517gb. I work everyday with AI which hasn't been updated at this moment, and also using FF everyday, using the computer about 5 hours a day everyday.
Great that I watch your videos before I actually use my mac (it's on the way)! Love your content!
I just use whatever App I need. I’ve never traded my Macs as if they were raw eggs and never had problems with any of them.
Why does your youtube recommended videos look exactly like mine
...but Firefox is updated for arm already right? If i get-info it says "universal"
I’m facing a problem in changing my preference settings in finder, i chose to open the download folder by default and search the current folder instead of the whole mac by default, however these settings does not apply even though it’s already selected !!
My finder keeps opening a random folder by default called “searching this mac”.
Also when i try to search for a something it stiil searches the whole mac!
I can’t find a solution for that! I would be so happy if you help me solve this issue.
in march 2022 i bought got it in may of 2022 a 2021 MBPRO M1 max 32gb ram 2 tb drive no final cut pro, I don’t do any video editing, this machine should be overkill for my use. I just use Safari alot Microsoft Office use it for picture storage mostly just like clerical work. when I just tried out activity monitor is having anything going on on my computer and it was using 27.91 GB of memory swap users 9.44 GB not sure if this is a problem or not. I did download the DDX, but I haven’t used my free trial yet. I wasn’t sure I needed to. i do use it daily
i have a question, what if you shut down the laptop every day after usage, then will the swap data get lowered?
My mac mini had 450gb written and 800 read and 75 cycles new out of box from apple. So somethings wrong or they literally t ested the crap out of it, or all the software for reading lifespans etc on drives is broken.
The "fixed" is already crazy :O
Would the 16 Gig version write to the SSD less as it has more memory available?
If the arm mac lineup offers slotted/replaceable ram and ssd, I will buy them no doubt.
For some people who believed that ARM chips really require different ram type and different storage type... It's a myth. As an example, a low-end chromebook has a phone-like lpddr4, and phone-like eMMc storage, and it has an x86 processor. And vice versa, an ARM server exists with full size ddr4 ECC slots on its side. And surely Tons of SSDs connected through a full-size PCIe.
I use parallels quite heavily on my base m1 macbook air, should I be worried ?
How about is you have 1TB and a 16-would it still write heavily?? I ONLY use safari...some 1080 video on FCPX Word and some UA-cam videos that’s about it!
My new MacBook Pro is 3 months old I got a lot of memory and 1tb of space. Yet this has came up and now it won’t turn on.