Justin roiland could be a groomer but why only cancel him why not also cancel all the trans kids activist and drag queen that read books to children while showing off their balls
"They're not saying it because they think they have something to say, but because they think they have to say something." That's such a great way to put it.
in high school i had a friend who dealt with autism and i noticed he was starting to think the same way. had to let him know that not everything that happens online needs your opinion to be put out there. if you dont have anything to say, dont force it because youre "obligated" to talk about issues, youre not obligated
@@yavvivvay If they starved outside of their own 'wellness induced choice' they wouldn't be writing stuff like this because they'd have at least some lived context of suffering. They have none, so microgressions become a human rights violation.
@@vladthedragon8250 there is no hierarchy to suffering. Of course given that, there is a certain hierarchy of needs blocking each other. If you have issues in the lower needs you will think the level above is silly and ridiculous... until you get there.
@@yavvivvay There definitely is a hierarchy of suffering. It's the very definition between a need and a want and the consequence of being deprived of it. Contrast is what gives things their definition, without a low end contrast and with the high end being so stable it's invisible you get progressives.
@@vladthedragon8250 well I don't think there is as i mostly agree with Edith Eger who spoke about her suffering in the concentration camps not being more worth or worse than the suffering her patients experienced. Moreover, people who literally have issues with getting food are sometimes the most optimistic and content individuals you can imagine - as suffering is complex and escapes easy definitions. But to each their own I guess. IMHO the problem is the writers write about percieved suffering of others, not their own. There are many well written stories about depression or discrimination out there. There are also books about experience of others that work really well - you just need to let them speak and pull your ego out. What I see in modern writing is mostly the unicorn upbringing of "you can be whatever you want" morphed into ego of "I never make mistakes" and "any criticismy of my writing is attack on the people who my agenda supports". The criticism then becomes an attack on your tribe, as you setup defenses of class/minority/identity around your work, unwilling to accept it might just be bad. Because when your work is good (Dead space remake) nothing of that matters that much, only fringe haters from both sides will blow up over it.
@@yavvivvay What's worse? Hunger pangs or a dirty look? But I agree with you about modern writing. I swear it's partly due to the self-esteem movement and advertising my generation was raised in. Dr. Pepper told them they were special and they believed it and it was all just to sell them.
@@MarkMightBeBetter Same. Superhero movies should've never evolved from being a cheesy, aesthetically charming package filled with action for an hour and a half. Now you get this POG MULTIVERSE 🤓😲 crap with REFERENCES and MEMES and a lot of shitty lore that only exists to bait into sequels and spin-offs.
There are so many marvel movies they’ve told every single type of bad joke once. It’s just new cringe, simpsons did it frist kind of argument said by people who don’t know how to write.
1. Ironic, self-defensive detachment from anything that seriously matters. 2. Self-centered story-telling: main character is a self-insert of the author. 3. Pop-culture reference, pop-culture reference, pop-culture reference, pop-culture reference... 4. Vanilla activism: "Racism bad! Capitalism bad! Politicians bad!"
It's not even "politicians bad" it's "your politicians are bad but I will willfully ignore or no-true-scotsman the flaws of my side!" It's disingenuous. There's no introspection or _genuine_ self doubt allowed.
It's extra annoying when I am millennial, and also quite left-leaning and they turn the whole ideology into a cringy farce. How do they expect people to take them seriously if they don't take themselves seriosly in the first place.
to quote warren spector (director of deus ex) about politics in video games: “Some years ago, I gave a talk at The New School in New York and afterwards did something I never do - went out for drinks with folks who’d been in the audience. At the bar, one of them sat down next to me (he was a little drunk) and asked ‘how could you make that right-wing piece of propaganda?’. Before I could answer, another guy walked up and, having overheard, said ‘right-wing propaganda? It was left-wing from start to finish!” The fact is, they were both right I guess, based on how they’d played. I was really tickled by that.”
@@Don-ds3dy to me it’s even more depressing that people consider these terms insults in and of themselves. They are two sides of the political coin. There is evil on both sides but most people on either spectrum of belief are not extremists at all
@Antonio Gramsci yes because societies on the right are the only societies to utilize segregation…are you kidding me? And America invented slavery too, right?
“You’re really good at that! Shooting things, that is.” This line right here exemplifies Millennial writing. Rick and Morty is like this too. I finally have word for this, thank you.
@@Sorrowdusk Rick and Morty isn't exactly the pinnacle of comedy either. It is the millennial humor before it got out of hand and spilled over everywhere.
@@flowerbloom5782IMO that one is even worse because it was supposed to be a joke. Like, I imagine the team of writers all together laughing because how "funny" the joke was.
i forgot to add, i am younger than 36 and when i was a teen, i already avoided games like borderlands for having dialogue like this. i think mentioning even high school in the above sentence is too much of a compliment
1. Pop culture references 2. Characters that just won't shut up 3. Forced humor every 5 seconds 4. Everything is a "critique" of something 5. Cartoonish black and white morality The 5 Pillars of Millennialism. Also everything needs to be loud for no reason.
i like bocchi too :) AND your mockery of milenials as well 6.everything is toxo/phobic/blematic/soginistic and the author's massive ego si the solution 7.criticism toward the author's ego is rape-speech and toxoblematic and you shoud DO BETTER 8.any form of criticism is "acktualley *snort*🤓🤓🤓" bc you're speaking from your internalized ______phobia/giny/ism therefore your opinion is invalid (proceeds to seek validation in redditwitter...and to dogpile the critic)
And there has to be a character with the shaved side swept to the other side style. For some reason it has to be included as if its something very important
Yiik comes to mind. Especially when the writer for that game called the many MANY people who criticized his writing as children who want toys, not art.
Yeah all the old writers who tossed out that advice presumed people would live lives of struggle and meaning, not basically do nothing but look at social media all day. They really could not have foreseen just how dark the future ended up.
I am so sick of the "post ironic humor" era of memes and internet culture. I am so glad 2024 has started to show the signs of this era dying for good. its been years of this shit.
@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778 I'm a Millennial, and it seems to me that Gen Z are a more sincere generation than we were, both online and in real life. It's great to see. I'm also sick of everything being ironic.
It's not just fear of sincerity. It's complete mockery of sincerity. Every potentially emotional moment must be ruined by a stupid joke. Everything in the story has to be slathered by a layer of metatextual "comedy" that ruins immersion. Heroism, family and basic human ideals must be mocked.
@@Thetallguy_zz Yeah that is true. That's why so many movies written by these types feel so toothless. The hero (usually a women, "POC" or both) is flawless from the start and the villain is a one dimensional pushover. The conflict always seems to be, not the hero becoming better, but the world realizing how great the hero always was.
There's a small moment in GTA IV that is the anathema to the millenial idea of "trauma". When going out on a date with Michelle, she might ocasionally speak about Mallorie, saying she is poor, to which Niko coldly responds "You people don't know what poor is".
@@BlueTyphoon2017 like "having to get a job to affort living" as opposed to just having essentially unlimited funds to live and do whatever you feel like, like when you live at your parents place. Thats what a lot of the, quite frankly really retarded, "anti-capitalism" thing boils down to for these people "i have to work but i dont want to work"
I knew this guy, who kept doing the same twitter-speak shit about capitalism almost all the time after watching Hasan. I said the military kinda has its own socialist economy going if u think abt it with their own in house barber shops and hospitals and stuff. This motherfucker deadass said (copypasted): "Thats not socialism. Socialism is classless, money-less society! Capitalism isn't when you use money! Capitalism is low pay, exploitative labor, and no unions!!!!!" Idk if this brainlet realizes that his description of capitalism applies to the USSR. Ion hate the dude, but he was a massive Elon Musk meatrider before Elon Musk started talking bad about democrats. Then he immediately switched his tone, and called him a capitalist grifter lmfao.
This modern writing reminds me of how 2000's Nickelodeon sitcoms were written. Everything is said with a quip on top of layers of sarcasm. Characters will sometimes just yell and the humor often relied on being weird instead of being funny. Only thing is, shows like iCarly and Victorious are meant for children in elementary school. All of the games that take this form of writing are M rated games intended for adults.
These people probably never learned that that wasn't how other people actually talked in real life, they themselves being "keyboard warriors" and all...
>character HAS to make a political statement even when it has nothing to do with the plot >mc is left leaning and antag is right leaning >black character can't go 2 seconds without mentioning white people >male nudity good female nudity bad >tradional gender role archetypes bad >villain is a mass murderer psycopath but draws the line at making racist remarks
Lmfao true, a lot of writers genuinely think racism is an irredeemable character trait in a story then 5 seconds later redeem the murderous villain for example.
remember, laws are not internal, they are external. Your brain is internal, because you are a human being, so start using that privilege. Go out there and smoke a woke idiot.
uhmmm the yellow pikachu actually represents the hyperinflation experienced in western montenegro around the turn of the 90's. but i would expect a FASCIST like you to know about it
It is a deep introspective look into the modern american life style and their over consumpsion of sugar and alcohol while living a sedentary life style causing most of the health problems, mental and physical, for everyone big and small. Yet it is being pushed under the rug as to not shame anyone... or something like that.
“they do these political things, not because they have anything to say, but because they think they need to say something.” perfectly describes this trend.
The funniest thing about it that they often pick "capitalism" to be the political boogie man. But they don't really understand what capitalism is so half the time they defend it half the time they oppose it. They just throw in some post-modern political terms to hope people will be too confused to understand that they don't know what they're talking about, because it works on them on twitter.
It comes from schooling. Along with intersectionality, they started teaching that saying nothing is agreeing with the status quo. So unless you wanna be the bad guy, you have to actively talk about how much you hate them and want progress. 's pretty fucked if you think about it.
Pretty sure that actually happened. That's what John "Hugs Not Drugs!" Lasseter was warning us about in _Monsters, Inc.._ But we didn't listen, and now we're paying the price.
The scene in Saints Row 3 where they rob a bank dressed in their own merchandise and Johnny Gat is wearing a mask of his own head to hide his identity is a more nuanced critique of capitalism than every single line about capitalism in the new game put together
Same goes for the second game, with Dane Vogel. Not exactly subtle, but still manages to say so much more without ever having to explicitly call it out.
@@vinegar4556 Saints 2 is literally a game about gentrification and a ton of other shit and handles it with significantly more nuance than nu saints ever could
@Antonio Gramsci I agree it should've been taught to blue collar workers instead. That's kind of the people who benefit from it the most and really the backbone to any meaningful change when it comes to working people being treated better. Which is also why its the most important group to keep uninterested in it because the only people talking about it are the complete opposite of them. People who want to sound smart more than they want to talk to a person like a person. No mechanic, no landscaper, no framer, no electrician I've ever met is going to be convinced by: "No you don't understand. Grasping the inherently exploitative nature of late stage capitalism and the class struggle between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie is vital to achieving class consciousness and retaking the means of production for the working class. You need to look at the imperialist cultural hegemony with a critical lens to free yourself from the WAGE SLAVERY INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM." "Cool thanks I am wildly not fucking interested in anything you said" "BUT DIACLECTIC MATERIALISM. LABOR THEORY OF VALUE. P R A X I S." It would be super helpful if people stopped talking about this shit entirely by smelling their own farts and hoping the other guy digs the smell too.
@@Pragabond That's the issue though. The entire idea was made by lazy educated people who believed they were part of the lower classes because they weren't successful. This is why it always devolves into bloody chaos. Because it isn't about the poor being treated better, it's about causing enough discontent to get people to overthrow the existing structure so the upper middle class revolutionaries can seize power and promptly push their pawns back into their places.
@@Pragabond There are ways to critique capitalism (which is just the communist scare word for the free market, but let's not get bogged down in that) without being anti-capitalist. I'm from the blue collar background you're referencing and I have plenty of critiques of our system, wealth inequality being a serious issue for instance, but that doesn't make me an anti-capitalist. Anti-capitalism isn't ever going to appeal to people like me because it's inherently a white collar ideology created by ivory tower freaks who've never done an honest day's work in their life. Pseudo-intellectualism isn't a bug of the ideology, it's a feature, and not even that we don't understand what terms like Praxis or Materialism mean either. We just don't care. We're not revolutionaries nor do we want to be. We just want to be fairly compensated for our work and left alone, that's it.
Evil can also be quirky, the problem is that these writers equate quirkiness with minorities and victims because they see themselves as anything but the bad guy.
@@lasarousibingo. Too many people obsess over skin color/gender/orientation when personality and character is what actually matters and should be focused on
@@Strider258ironically, carbon footprint is something that could destroy us eventually if we let it. (Note: throwing soup on classic works of art does probably fall under “letting it happen”.)
Im glad the "pet the doggo" trend was mentioned, nothing drives me more insane than every game phoning in a cute animal or just a dog and creating an identity around it. I love animals as much as the next guy but everytime i hear some shit like "oh the heckin doggo derves pets cause hes just such a good boi, heckin chonker" i just groan. Can we not treat animals normally without turning them into worthless babies and making ourselves sound like idiots or is that "too hard for the millenial human person to adult"?
The UA-camr I Hate Everything calls them Dibbies, the definition is because a cute character which is only their to make people "aww" and to sell toys of them... so, the Minions lol
I've notice this trend in not only games, but movies too. Every line has to be self-aware, witty, and ironic. Nobody takes anything seriously. It drives me insane.
The 'not taking seriously' is far and away my biggest pet peeve. Literally everything HAS to be sarcastic, because emotions are scary and we need you to have positive association with our product so you'll think it's good.
@@axiss5840 so much this. It's truly a cultural cancer to have the irony throttle to the max all the fucking time. There needs to be poignant moments especially for characters or events the writer would least expect.
What makes this worse is that all it does is pull you out of the fictional world they're trying to present. A glorified SNL sketch is what the story and its world become.
Taking anything seriously is boring these days apparently I mean seriously try and get a streamer to take a story based game seriously. It's a sad truth that most gamers want dopamine rather that something thought-provoking But it's been that way forever You better get over it
@@NgaMarsters people should still always try to be better. It's harder to be unironic while maintaining a certain tone. Yes there's the real trap of being pretentious etc, but avoiding that's the skill of it.
I've become more and more aware of "Self aware writing" people who write that are aware of tropes and how stories work because thats thier entire life, watching shows and movies. think "oh is this the part where you save me because I'm the damsel in distress?" "oh youre setting up your character arc" "really? that's your character motivation?" but this video enlightened me to the rest of the problems. what I want to know is what happens when we get to the parody phase? eventually stories are going to make fun of stories that do this. "oh is this-" "yes this is the part where you say that you're aware of your role as the damsel in distress" "look guys I'm aware of how story works, thats funny!" I feel like dialogue is just going to implode. maybe serious scripts will make a return after that.
The weird thing is that writers who lack real-life experience don't have to fall into this trap. H.P. Lovecraft was a shut-in who got his entire worldview from his family library and his works invented a genre.
@@ingold1470 Sometimes I feel like there was some special ingredient to Lovecraft for all that though given the craziness of the genre. Inventing a new genre, like damn.
@@arc5015 the special ingredient was not talking about it, as this ingredient was host to a litany of horrors whose very being induced a sort of spine-chilling itching that crawled across the body in waves at the mere suggestion of its thought. One can only shudder to imagine (and I feel sick even placing these words upon this letter) of what would happen should the secrets of this vile, contemptuous additive- I've said too much, they shall come for me now. I must make haste to the laboratory to find a panacea to this ill fortune.... Lovecraft's secret ingredient is his writing style directly reflects the fact that he grew up around high brow writing, but injects a very descriptive emotiveness to his work, uncommon at the time.
@@arc5015 The ingredient is called xenophobia (and I mean that in a medical sense, so irrational fear of everything that is different and everything that you dont understand). Which is exactly the basis lovecraftian horror works on.
What's funny about that association is that laugh tracks have actually declined in popularity. I think Deadpool-style meta humor is closer to a current generation replacement for what would once have been a laugh track.
@@aidanandreasen2611 yeah I was mostly critiquing Big Bang theory which I think is one of the more recent shows that beat the laugh track to death and back
@@B_C1109 dead pool is a great film but I think too many people thought they could finesse the deadpool humour in their own content and it falls really flat
Worst part about this type of writing is that all characters TALK THE SAME. Having one is fine, if your other cast is (lol) diverse. However to these people diverse is different colors of people that all act exactly the same. So fun and creative.
Yeah. Like Marvel films worked when Iron Man was making quips and jokes but almost everyone else took things relatively seriously. But because he was so popular, and his scenes were considered the best of the Avengers films everyone had to start doing it.
@@bob1986 it worked for iron man because tony did actually go through some serious shit was nearly killed multiple times. was kidnapped in a cave and forced to make weapons or be killed then eventually died by paying the ultimate price. So in alot of ways tony earned that right to be snarky and snappy, millenial side haircut character with nose ring however did not.
Marvel movies are indeed to blame for the trend, but I also think Diablo Cody and her Juno scriptwriting were probably one of the first instances to popularise this. A lot of self inserts, cursing for nothing and everybody just has to be witty and sarcastic to cringe levels all the time.
@@Daniel__Nobre Diablo Cody, that's a name I haven't heard in a while. I agree with you, and I would like to point that both her and MCU started around the same time, around 2007-2008.
@@amadeusagripino6862 Oh that makes sense. I don't know why I thought the successful Marvel movies/universe came later, thanks for pointing it out. So it can well be a kind of generational thing/trend :D
It's basically people who don't read adult books writing. They've never encountered a moral quandary that they couldn't solve or a paradox. They read books like twilight and hunger games with no complexity or challenge
They learned how to "write" from watching Marvel movies lol. They have probably never studied the craft in any depth and are hired based on a diversity standard...
DUDE i just LOVE the hustle and bustle of the big city, it’s so DYNAMIC and makes me feel like i’m in one of my favourite TV SHOWS. you should totally come on down to my studio apartment, it’s got EXPOSED RED BRICK walls and everything, we can crack open a nice hoppy ipa or three and get crazy watching some cartoons on adult swim! and dude, dude, DUDE, we have GOTTA go down to the barcade- listen here, right, it’s a BAR where us ADULTS who do ADULTING can go DRINK. BUT!!!! it’s also an ARCADE like when we were kids, so we can play awesome VIDEO GAMES, without dumb kids bothering us. speaking of which megan and i have finally decided to tie the knot- literally -we’re both getting snipped tomorrow at the hospital, that way we can save money to spent more on ourselves and our FURBABIES. i’m fuckin JACKED man, i’m gonna SLAM this craft beer and pop open another one!!!
i fucking love the corporate aestheticization of resistance. they simply just pick up the ideologies of people who never really grew up, horrifically mutilate them, and then fucking SELL it back to them for extortionate amounts of money. and the fuckers they sell it to eat it up like it's fried chicken. we wouldn't have half the number of soyjaks we do without this.
It's pretty simple, honestly: communism is the best way to consolidate wealth and power while trapping everyone else in poverty and enslavement. These corporations are pushing communism not because they think it's a good system for their viewers, but because it's the best system for the wealthy to always remain in power: they're the Party leaders.
I think it comes from a place of being scared of authenticity. They have a desire to say what they think the audience wants to hear instead of what the characters would actually say.
No you're completely right. Everyone is so scared of being themselves or offensive that nothing has weight anymore. It's like that uncanny 'camp' feeling you get from bad acting. How are we supposed to enjoy a story when the writers themselves can't genuinely say that they do?
I think it's got more to do with the type of people being churned out of these universities and cities (neoliberals). I don't think they can be authentic because most can't think for themselves, and those that can won't be authentic because of political peer-pressure. But some have very clear agendas that they follow in-tandem with other forms of media - and that's because of political activists and NGO's used by billionaires like the Rockefellers (and others) to force their politics into society.
Yeah. Seeing this video essay devolve into "It's the FBI, man!" was weird, although the initial points made sense. And yours is a fair extra factor. It's like how the MCU can't have emotional, vulnerable moments without undermining them immediately with a joke. Like they don't have the confidence to let the audience connect emotionally.
In terms of social commentary in games, I think it's the problem Tolkien brought up about hating allegory. He wanted his stories to have "applicability" so while you could see where he drew his inspiration from, the message fit in the world he created and didn't feel like a social commentary while you can see how it can be applied to real life. Now, modern writers don't have the skill to make something applicable without being a direct allegory or just saying it without even having an allegory.
I find that Tolkien's definition of applicability is so important for the audience or reader to feel investment or engagement with any given material instead of being bombarded with "propaganda" or just flat out flatulent noise. The former is how build a story and express themes while the latter is how you self-suck into hysteria.
I think it's just the lack of structural teaching of writing. Milleanils get so many inspirations and tips and tricks from the internet that range from good to objectively wrong. Like what you're talking about: Allegory. While I do think there are allegories in Tolkien's work (in general the conflict between good & evil is an allegory), but Millenials make the connections to what the allegories are by the lowest commmon denominator a.k.a. the most lazily and generally applicable themes that you can say are "sorta similar".
By monopolizing its critique they're free to abuse it without fear of retribution. It's an old trick. This is why all the major criticism of government comes from secretly government-backed sources. In America, this is Daily Wire, MSNBC, etc. It bounds the narrative within controllable limits and ensure nothing effective is ever done (or realized).
Marx actually made this point. Capitalism is so all powerful as a social system that it commodifies literally everything, even the movements that oppose it like Religion and Anti-Capitalist political movements. People are tricked into thinking consuming anti-capitalist products, is anti-capitalism instead of supporting it.
Another problem that i've noticed recently is the lack of a good frame of reference for writers. Back then most writers i knew were at least somewhat well read and experienced. Some were really deep into specific subjects too, like history, or a skill. Nowadays it feels like their whole view of everything is molded by their social bubble, Marvel movies and twitter politics.
I saw another comment talking about how the old "write what you know" saying was cooked up during a time when people still actually had a decent chance at living varied lives of struggle and drive. It's very true, "write what you know" is actually more of a detriment when applied to people who basically just lounge around smoking weed and scrolling around Twitter and watching generic Marvel film 447.
I agree 100%. I think that is why most new content is just a bad copy of something that was already popular. It would be like writing a time travel movie and only using Back to the Future as your reference point. Sure you could piece something passable together but you would be missing out on the countless other science fiction works on the subject.
mIyazaki often talked about this in regards of anime. All the golden age animators came from a wide background, were being inspired by other mediums, studied real life, were reading a lot of literature and then made up all the innovation in the anime industry with what they gathered. The new generation only consumes anime and only studies anime, it doesn't are about the real world or other art that isnt anime so the result as he puts it is inhuman, is regurgitating the same things in an incestual cicle but with less soul each time.
@@bake-io1cf It even applies to the anime industry? Damn. It's gotta be true though, I remember a lot of the most influential ones usually had creators with some pretty interesting backgrounds (or pretty horrific, depending on, you know... how old they are...)
@@SnibsnBibs Anime is not at all what it was when i was younger. Moe slice of life took over everything since. I'd say the golden age was late 80s to late 90s, most of the greatest creators from that time have died or retired (R.I.P Satoshi Kon and Kentaro Miura) . Expect all anime from now on to be rotoscoped/ motion captured CG and AI bullshit.
One thing I've noticed about Millennial Writing, is that it tends to be ironic, in an lame attempt to be seen as funny and good. Of course, this irony in truth, genuinely stems from the Writers own insecurities in the fact that they can't take their own writing seriously. So they're craving for validation from YOU, the Player, to say their "Ironic" writing is good and funny writing.
I'm honestly more sick of these people whining about me writing full sentences than anything else that comes out of their mouths. I can pass off everything else as much of my generation being social media & grass-addicted morons with no sense of sophistication or integrity whatsoever.
The best pop culture references are subtle, acting as a wink-and-nod, or paying homage to the writers influences. That TARDIS in Fallout 2 is a great example, because it's just there, it's not like the characters stop the action and say " woah, it's the TARDIS from doctor who, isn't that wacky?"
Arcane does this perfectly. Plenty of winks and nods for LoL gamers, but if you're not a LoL gamer, then the winks and nods just seem like real good world building and it doesn't detract from their enjoyment of the show.
I disagree with Twitter being the genesis of “Millennial Writing.” I worked in game development before Twitter’s rise and had to endure insufferable Californian hipsters that spewed that awful snark from the narrative teams. Writers were often spoiled Millennials with a fancy degree from some overpriced Californian university. They all acted like uppity hipsters and many of the devs started becoming passive-aggressive around that time as well (2007-2014). All of our media and creative industries have been infiltrated and hijacked by these obnoxious cnts. It REALLY makes it difficult to enjoy hobbies I once loved. No wonder there has been such a renaissance in retro-gaming these past years.
@@drunkencowboyagni Me: enjoying an online game cause it's kinda fun and both my child and I can play it together. My child: Xinyan should've been more darker skinned Even casual foreign games with a half way decent plot are getting the nu-American writing style treatment
The way millennials on twitter talk about capitalism is hilarious to me, as someone from the former Soviet Union. Like, you think we didn't have shitty bosses?
@@danielsmokesmids - Yes. You ARE asking for it, but you are too brainwashed by childish idealism and too ignorant of history to know that you are asking for it.
@@ΣτέφανοςΔημόπουλος-η7τthe cccp definitely wasn't really communist since it had people in command and gerarchies, but still communism is plain and simple utopia.
Your final comments about telling producers to "unplug" is the most important part about this. This snarky, cynical, self-referential and ironic humor is because millennials (and probably gen z) are utterly terrified of silence. Of course a large part of this is from social media, but we're now part of a generation that has had most of it's life governed by popular media and the internet. You'll notice how much of this "humor" just labors the point beyond belief. It constantly has to explain itself. Why is that? The internet has an extraordinary ability to destroy diversity of opinion. You don't want to be "that guy with the bad opinion" do you? It's a hijacking of our innate desire for social conformity, but the internet puts it on steroids. This exhaustive, self-referential humor stems from this insecurity. They think if they can criticize themselves with their snarky self-awareness, then it will lessen the blow of the internet social conformity mob. So they can say "yeah dude, that was the joke all along." And that's what I mean by "terrified of silence." They can't bear to let a point stand on it's own or speak for itself. The awkward silence of people possibly judging you is what millennials fear the most.
But, is that bad exactly? Like I think it’s human nature too some extent too not want to be judged. Is the only real difference that the internet has put it on steroids?
@@BlueTyphoon2017 I would say it does because you’re not just an outcast by your local group, you’re an outcast to potentially thousands, which makes it feel more serious. At least, that’s how I view it.
As someone who is gen z, from what I've seen, in general gen z likes that type of humor and writing but not when everything has that. Then it becomes too much and we get fed up. It ends up getting stale so many people from my generation end up playing older games or multiplayer games/games with multiplayer modes. The people from gen z that eats this type of writing up every single time have been people that follow Millennials that have influenced them on social media. The same Millennials who are also on Twitter for what seems like 24/7.
a lot of this kind of humor (the made-up words, the playground insults mixed with swearing, the sarcasm, etc) was very popular on tumblr from around 2010-2016, when a lot of millennials would have been active on the site. combine the "tumblr residue" with the fact that they have to be ~cool and marketable~ and you get a lot of humor like this
I’ve noticed culture catering more and more to the infantilization of people. Most mainstream media is so safe and feels like it’s made for literal children. This goes for AAA video games, movies/shows, even music has become simple as hell.
It's the kind of humour that DSMP and HLVRAI fans have and I can't express how much I despise it. The aesthetic artists too, yk the ones. The ones who tween at 5FPS with a super desaturated pastel colour palette. Every one of these people talks and acts the exact fucking same there is absolutely no individuality. The neopronoun TikTok people, too. I don't understand how these people can all act the exact same and not feel ashamed. YOU don't have a damn identity. You're just mimicking what others say. How do you not feel embarrassed? All the same opinions and tastes. These people consume the same exact media too and love the same UA-camrs. They latch onto trends and immediately adopt new bullshit lingo. "I'm a blurry fragment with somewhat of a name and personality /pos" "i'm stimming so hard rn,,," "WAAAAA EATZ !!! /pos /th" "omg ur stinky /hj" THEY ALL ACT QND TALK TH3 3XACT SAME I HWTE THEM I DONT CARE TAHT THIS IS OFF TOPIC NOW I HATE THESE QUIRKY ASS KIDS WHO ACT THE EXACT SAME AND REPEATEDLY SPEW THE SAME TIRED QUIRKY BULLSHIT
The most bizarre thing about this era of writing is that playing a scene, a character or a cliche in a completely strait and normal way is now subversion kind of. Also I patently dislike how much current new age writers seem to offload their personal issues onto the audience. It's ok and good when writers explore heavy themes, but at least make it look like you aren't just talking about your daddy issues or whatever. I don't want to hear your weirdly personal and maybe even vindictive fantasies in animated comedy or some other shit.
Agreed. That’s a big part of why I loved Big Jack Horner as the villain in the new Puss in Boots movie. He’s not misunderstood, no tragic backstory, no redemption arc, none of that crap. He’s just straight up evil and revels in it. It’s awesome
@@JingIeFett remidnms me of Claude Fuastus he is pure evil the whole time but the way he does it an what draws him in thay makes him interesting he never redeemed himself he just finds out that the fuked himself over an was controlled an killed by his own prey
the people that say that are also always like in their 30's too the average millennials' brain stopped developing by the time they graduated high school
@@TaRAAASHBAGS funny how it always happens to be the generation older than yours, eh? Im not judging anyone for it, just can’t help pointing out that it happens every generation.
@@AnimusBehemothEvery generation has its dumb quirks and downfalls, so, yeah, it’s always going to happen. The previous and newest generation will be considered obnoxious in some way, and so will that generation too. Because it’s all true. Never won’t be something to mock and complain about for people.
I'm sorry, but could you refrain from using language that may insult victims of beingbornwithoutabladderitis in the future? Saying 'pissed off' is like the N-word for the Non-Bladdered People.
In my experience it is indeed insecurity. There's this mental block of writing dialogue that's just straight to the point or genuine feelings/expressions because writing non-serious quips helps shield against the fear of mockery. This style of writing is like a bandaid for your ego from the inevitable criticism. "if these characters aren't serious, if i don't put any effort, then it won't matter when people don't like it." And then add an overdose of corporate cynicism and you get these.
@@Dhips. Thats not the real problem. Like most comedy, its when a concept is reduced to its most superficial elements, stagnates due to a lack of understanding by those who use it as a substitute for creativity, that you end up with something becoming stagnant. Meta humor and deconstruction require a strong understanding of mechanics behind a given trope, as thats needed to twist it into a joke. Meta humor as its referred to today "self awareness", is just calling out a trope and never executing it. Or worse.... calling out the trope, and executing it anyway. Its the lack of creativity to do something with the idea that makes it grating. Another thing to consider is irreverence. Despite what the name might imply, its entirely possible to mock something in good humor/nature, while still firmly critiquing something about it. A reoccurring issue I'm noticing with the current generation of writers and commenters is tendency to take things very superficially, if not out right literally. Its hard to tell if this is lack of understanding of the subject matter, or a lack of consideration of deeper concepts, and stopping the first emotional reaction.
Yes Undertale did do something wrong. The moment a medium becomes about itself it fails to fulfill its purpose and disappears up it's own backside. Also its big takeaway is that players play games wrong. Completely insufferable. Really good soundtrack though.
Another point to add. Writing has become more and more humor to people who cannot hold a conversation properly. I loved that you brought up fallout 2 because in that game there’s a scene where an enclave soldier begins to become irritated really quick when you ask him who the president of the United States is multiple times. It’s the funniest shit ever and it doesn’t rely on shitty one liners. Just good old fashioned writing.
Ted Lasso might be the most unbearable character ever written. Every character in that show communicates through pop culture references and virtue signaling and its supposed to pass as a personality
Oh yeah, you're right. "Enclave maincomm" guy was good writing. I always just thought of it as funny. Writing like that requires being able to put yourself in someone else's shoes, mentally, which I don't think the subjects of this video are capable of. They'd have thought, "durr, patriot American soldier man? He dumb! Make him speak dumb, and racist too."
I remember when i was a child, swearing with my friends made us giddy because it was so taboo, i guess. It seems that these people just never grew out of it.
Sometimes all it needs are good graphic representations tbh, that's what happens often for movies or animated shows. Writing might be dogshit and generic but as long as it looks cool 20 iq amebas will love it, and they are millions
What do you think modern English degrees teach? Not how to use English, but rather that any way of using English is equally correct. Except the correct way, because that implies you are better than others.
@@jonsnow9659 millennials ruined SM. I was born in the in-between stage of them so I got to watch all their BS unfold. They are a stain on this planet and ultimately can't do shit until they bitch or moan enough. That's just a fact, I've yet to meet a millennial that is emotionally stable or able to critically think about situations separating thought from feeling. It's disgusting and disturbing how up their own ass they can be
“It feels like these stories only represent the experiences of young, wealthy, inner city tech people from coastal cities of America.” Thank you so much for pointing this out. I moved to a coastal city from one of those (apparently) hellish small towns of America to work in the entertainment industry, and so much “representation” we see in writing is just an echo chamber of people who don’t even realize how wealthy they are. They’re too busy shitting on less fortunate, less developed areas and blindly spewing stereotypes to even realize how little representation those lives ever get and how important they are.
These folks dominate all media. Well-off neurodivergent Millennials taught from birth that they are special, destined, and guaranteed an audience whether they work hard or not. So their work is boring, never to-the-point, and performative. It's the work of people who never had to try. Main characters get things handed to them because of who they are, no one works hard or experiences pain or loss, and there are no unique voices or perspectives. Truly the artwork of people who insist they are interesting because they exist. They are the types of people who ramble at open mic night, not because they have anything to say, they just feel entitled to have a microphone in their hand at all times.
i think the lack of sincerity comes from fear of being judged by the internet. it's easier to handle someone shitting on your bad jokes than shitting on something you truly believe in.
Good point. That might be why so many people just regurgitate memes. It is much easier to accept crickets when the joke wasn't a product of your actual wit
Daaamn, reminds me of Sam Hyde when he actually spoke about the very same thing, about a teen rapper that 'joke-rapped half the way because he was afraid of being authentic and be mocked, so it's easier to produce parody gargabe that you can excuse of any criticism'
As an unpublished writer, that is an honest fear of mine. Not the kind that stops me dead in my tracks, mind, but it's definitely caused some real anxiety. "What if this thing I've poured my heart and soul into just goes completely unnoticed," says the voice in my head that makes me lock up at my keyboard. "Or worse, what if it's just reviled? What if I become the next fodder dummy for the Rant-sona hordes and the video essayists? What if my first failure is so catastrophic that it's also my last?" It's kind of scary, watching the critic world tear apart people like E.L. James and Stephanie Meyer and the like, and all too easy to think, "well surely MY work is better than that". But is it really? Would I recognize if it wasn't? I'd like to think so, but I imagine so did the ones that got tossed into the wood chipper before me, and it sure didn't save them. I'm not opposed at all to criticism; it's a necessary tool for the improvement of any art, but social media is in a place right now where a creator's reputation of quality can vacillate between champion of their craft and incompetent, untouchable wretch at the drop of a hat. I guess what I'm saying is that the peanut gallery isn't throwing peanuts anymore, they're chucking white phosphorus grenades that burn the words "fell off" out of your fucking ashes, and it makes amateurs like me and mine that much more anxious to step into the spotlight with anything we don't know will please the crowd or not.
@@joeyberg5765 You're speaking my mind perfectly. On the internet, the worst, most vile crime you can commit is, apparently, being cringe. And people will gang up on you for sharing a cool idea/art that people see as that.
This is 100% a result of being terminally online. This is something I've noticed in practically everything. Hirohiko Araki (JoJo writer) wrote a book about how he writes manga and one thing that always stuck with me is that he mentions "he always take references from real life". If hes going to write about Italy he researches it, he goes there, has experiences and interactions. That was years ago, but for creators these days its not like that. If you've been steeped in your hobbies (video games, comics, the types of media were you see this decline) chances are you dont make a lot of time for living your real life. They end up emulating what they see and every generation past the original ends up as some kind of emulation of its predecessor. It ends up so far removed from what it originally was supposed to be that its unrecognizable. Being steeped in the culture of only your college, your friend group, or your discord server is going to ruin your grasp on whats truly enjoyable and leave you with what you've shaped your brain into enjoying.
"The fourth stage is pure simulacrum, in which the simulacrum has no relationship to any reality whatsoever. Here, signs merely reflect other signs and any claim to reality on the part of images or signs is only of the order of other such claims. This is a regime of total equivalency, where cultural products need no longer even pretend to be real in a naïve sense, because the experiences of consumers' lives are so predominantly artificial that even claims to reality are expected to be phrased in artificial, "hyperreal" terms. Any naïve pretension to reality as such is perceived as bereft of critical self-awareness, and thus as oversentimental."
"It feels like these stories only represent the experiences of young, wealthy inner-city tech people from the coastal cities of America." Exactly. That's the whole issue right there. It's an out-of-touch, self rightious, circlejerk perpetuated by a privileged isolation from everyone else.
@@grandevirtude9830 It might not target Nigerian Radish Farmers but the majority of people in general terms, do not reside in high-society suburban homes on the outskirts of San Francisco. They live amongst celebrities and things of that nature and are heavily influenced by that culture, which basically means they are detached from reality as far as the "common person" is concerned.
I think the core problem is a fundamental aversion to sincerity. You see, when you write something with sincerity, you're taking an actual risk. After all, if your sincere writing still falls short and gets criticised, or if a very vocal contingent of people criticise it loudly, then it's a big hit to the ego. Some people just can't take that. But if everything is bubble wrapped in a thousand layers of irony, you don't have to come to terms with critiques of your work; you can just be like 'well yeah, but it's all a joke/ironic/satire etc anyway' and never be, for a moment, vulnerable in one's writing. It's why, for all its faults, I infinitely respect, say, the writing of Sonic Frontiers compared to the writing of Sonic Colours, because even if, yes, they're writing about the exploits of some pipe-limbed technicolour rodent, one game still pours their heart into the wacky colourful talking animals while the other just elbows the audience going 'lol, isn't this fast spine creature so sassy? Hyuk hyuk, the evil scientist... has a moustache! Aren't we so ironic and cool?'
This, absolutely this People making stuff dont really want to take risks nowadays since your ego is the most important thing and failure is the enemy of """being perfect""" So instead of actually learning on what they did wrong and hence improving, they simply slap the "irony" mark on their "art" and thus being immune to the "enemy of progress" that is genuine critique. And therefore never going any further
Funny you bring up sonic, its the reason why despite sonic 06 and Shadow the hedgehog being bad games they are more talked about and remembered then forces, worlds or colors is because the people who wrote sonic 06 put their actual heart into the games story and tried.
@@bigblue344 Yeah, Sonic 06 is clearly a project with heart and sincerity, just a botched one. And yes, that makes the failure spectacular, but at least it's somewhat vulnerable.
Politics in Metal Gear Solid: "The military industrial complex is a disaster for human rights, and one of the worst things to happen to the world. War is horrendous, and it's being marketed as a good thing" Politics in Millennial games from multi-billion dollar corporations: "Capitalism is bad, and racism is bad" *features a microtransaction shop, a literal token black character, and a season pass in a single player game*
There’s a good tumblr post about Kojima that he created a brilliant series to comment on the horrors of war but ended up making everything look super cool as well because he has the mind of a 12 year old boy who thinks guns are cool
@@Dogy0909 That's the cognitive dissonance of the videogame media. It's fun to virtually point and shoot, unfortunately. I wouldn't put too much blame on that, however the symbolic/subconscious effect it has on people who play games is a bad thing - that's why the military industrial complex loves CoD. If I were a gamedev like him I think I simply wouldn't make games that involve shooting people, but that's not a way to solve the issue.
Hot take: Kojima is a bad writer. There are certainly parts of each MGS where the writing really shines, but if you step back from the highlights and look at the games as a whole they are a needlessly convoluted mess filled with hours of exposition dumping. Kojima is certainly creative, no one can deny that, but the man is in desperate need of an editor and may be the victim of his own success in that regard.
"It's very diverse... or rather, it reflects the demographics of San Francisco" THANK YOU. The fact that people in California make "diverse" media that looks exactly like what they're used to needs more recognition.
the bit about millenial passive aggresiveness is so true, I find it so annoying, I much prefer to be insulted directly than to be condescendingly moralised at
@@lordwaluigi8535 It's more they can't handle a direct confrontation of whatever is causing them to be passive aggressive, so instead they annoy in the hope that they win without confrontation. When confronted they meltdown normally, so I do my utmost to confront them...
to be fair, everyone is passive-aggrevise nowadays. none can handle a direct confrontation anymore because people live in their little bubbles with people that never challenge their ideas. the echochamber they lock themselves in has made them forget how to have a discussion, so they either act passive-aggressive or straight up start screaming at your face if you disagree.
Yeah, I feel like a split occurred around 2017 where 90% of humanity moved on from 2016, but a few stragglers, mostly concentrated in a few urban clusters, just stayed stuck there forever.
the major urban clusters u mean, who control basically everything. and it seems to have hit every sector of the political spectrum, going by how this whole manosphere thing is going. every year that passes, the grass gets further and further out of reach. ur grandmas been pulled into a flat earther facebook group, ur son unironically thinks the ussr was a force for good, and ur husbands started to eat only animal innards and milk
It's literally just the philosophy of "be as hyper self aware, ironic and quirky as possible all the time non stop with no restraint" and good lord is it annoying. It's worse than excessive toilet humour.
This happened because millennials grew up with sarcasm type humor with media like Office Space, like you mentioned. But after years of building resentment like everyone else, their goofy sense of humor becomes a cynical bite to anyone who disagrees.
I agree The literal problem is that these corporate entities think that the modern day Twitter user is what the average teen/young adult is like. When in reality people like this are the minority and are often disliked by the majority of people in the real world
@@Beowulf__ Honestly, since musk took over those people have been losing their power. They all came from tumblr, but since musks takeover they haven't been able to really start any cancellations anymore.
I blame this partially on the tumblr migration of 2018. A lot of the stupid stuff you see on Twitter really originated or at least spread on tumblr. when all of those people left Tumblr because of the NSFW ban, it impacted the anglophone Internet landscape more than you would imagine. Twitter is a “normie” platform compared to Tumblr so more people were being exposed to those ideas.
One of the things that really bothers me about this writing style is that it never feels natural. Jokes like calling something “the big succ” only really work when made among friends, or in the vacuum of the raw internet. When the game itself tries to do that kind of humor without any self awareness of just how stupid these kinds of jokes are, it feels like corporate_entity#37 just sat down next to me on the couch and said “you like the internet memes, yes? What a coincidence, I also like the memes!”
I woke up to this when I finally started to notice so many rich celebrities complaining about capitalism on Twitter but still taking 20 million dollar movie roles and doing fuck all to actually help better the world
To be fair, you’re allowed to benefit from something while still recognizing its faults and seeing how other people don’t reap the rewards that you do.
@@nathanwagner6535 you're right with your statement, but i don't think it's applicable here. they don't criticise it in a way that respects the fact they them self actually benefit from it. but they rather make it seem like they're one of the many victims of capitalism whilste they're actually one of the problems of capitalism. it's like if McDonalds would complain about unhealthy food and it's effects on obesity.
@@nathanwagner6535 No you're not. I (blonde hair blue eyes) would benefit under National Socialism but I would still be openly against it because I know that it hurts other people. Don't try to lecture me about how bad Capitalism is when you yourself are the evil Capitalist.
I had millenial friends who unironically just tell me to "do better." Why are these people so prone to throw judgement yet recieve no critique themselves.
"Receive no critique themselves" Maybe you're not very aware of the early to late 2000s (or later, even) but Millennials have been dunked on for decades, lol. It used to be a running joke about us being blamed for everything.
Consider the following: It used to be that writers would inject their experiences into their stories. But nowadays writers have no experiences. All they have is their 'experience' of reading stories. So they can't comment on life, only literature. So every character they write acts as a vessel to comment directly on the story itself OR on the situation as if it were a story someone had written. This is why characters are always removed from the reality of their situation and seem almost self-aware. They're critiquing it - often in real time, not experiencing it. Instead of screaming, 'Oh god!' as a monster chases them, they roll their eyes and say, 'How cliche.' This is the source of 'ironic' observation. If the writer can't explore the human condition by virtue of his lack of life experience, then he will use his storytelling to explore all he does know: storytelling. And by 'explore' we largely mean 'comment on'. We can take Forspoken as an example. After receiving the magical equivalent of an Uzi, the heroine is no longer afraid of zombie bears rushing her down. Instead, she quips. Why is the situation no longer terrifying? The author would naturally protest that she has the solution to her problem and is therefore 'not in much danger anymore'. But the consequence of her failing remains: grisly death. The odds of failure are largely irrelevant to the fear anyone ought to have. But this fails to be expressed because the reality of the situation, and the feelings of the character therein, are not considered. Instead, the story beats are the sole factor, without any time to allow for the heroine to adapt to them like any normal person would. In essence, a decent writer would create a character and by changing the story, would write how that character would adapt. These terrible writers presume that the adaptation is instant, as though the heroine has already read the script, and it responding NOT to her situation but to her position in the narrative. So the ideas of post-modernism, cynicism, and subversion aren't necessarily intentional. It's just what happens when the author criticizes his own work within the work. It's self-referential because they can't provide commentary on life itself, on real experiences: only stories. So the works of the author are always self-critical and the characters therein borderline self-aware. Which is why they often present as psychopaths.
amazing post, i am gonna say something a bit off topic, i saw sargon on twitter saying that the reason leftists argue that black cops killing a black guy is white supremacy is because they dont see the police as something that could be created outside a western place, someone said this is crazy and reading too much into it and a few moments later a popular black activist blue checkmark literally said that the police is a european institution that did not exist in africa therefore having it and imposing it on cultures is white supremacy. The reason i am saying this is because i followed the guy before he had 100k subs and i have paid so much attention to wokeness that i can now predict how things will go Eg the new thing, say its a popular franchise is always gonna star a stunning and brave woman and replace the main character, all the men will be stupid weak or evil and all the women will be smart tough and no one would understand them because they are just so great and special. The new last of us tv show dedicated an episode to a minor gay charater. Here is my prediction, they gonna kill joel and replace him with this gay character in order to make the cast more diverse. New james bond movie is gonna be about a diverse group of agents, so its like the new witcher show, this is the agenda they are heading. Of course none of it will be serious, it will be full of critiques and quips and mockery and people like the critical drinker and mauler will praise games that are woke but they dont have cringe eg horizon, god of war while bashing the she hulks. This of course guarantees that tolerating lite wokeness is gonna grant you more wokeness. Everything these days is made to be diverse and has checkboxes of said diversity its a very corporate style of doing things but hey they are woke so they are the good guys and they get more money through ESG scores and checking diverse checkboxes. But the people who write this game either take it a bit seriously, in which case you get woke games with minimal cringe or dont take it seriously so you get games that dont take themselves seriously with maximum cringe. Sargon said to watch the latest matrix movie because its an admission and a documentary of how these people live. They sit there in a corporate boardroom trying to analyze the matrix which in the movie is a videogame so they can make a sequel. This is how the writer of the movie lives and who they surround themselves with, this is why everything is bad. This will not change until people reject the whole thing and the media defending them and not the laziest extreme cases, they must be rejected as talentless hacks or they will keep doing it forever regardless of not being profitable, it will become a habit and how to do things. In order for things to change we have to get better ideas from a foreign culture unaffected from these things, which is becoming harder and harder every day.
It's truly ironic that the people who most often use ironic observation and decry the 1%. Are the wealthy 1% shielded in a protective metropolitan bubble. It'd be good for 'em to put their phone down and look around at the real world.
@@arkgaharandan5881 I agree. I love the fiction manosphere but by giving attention to this shit we are only perpetuating it, by congratulating "what they do right", it's just fence sitting and scrapping for crumbs, like Thor_Skywalker for example he is a swell dude but being nice isn't going to get us anywhere, we should just stop paying attention yes everyone will lose subs and views but it's for the better.
I mean I kind of agree but honestly characters tend to act that way in most video games. The only ones where they don't is survival horror games where you're SUPPOSED to feel scared whereas this is a power fantasy. Games like this have always handled the switch from powerless to powerful about the same way. Haha funny quip you are STRONG NOW FEEL POWERFUL. I think you might be delving a bit too deep into that in particular. That and a LOT of characters in movies and games have ended up coming across as psychopaths for entertainments sake its been par for the course mostly always. If you stop and think about a lot of 90s action movies the characters murder some rando and then Arnie delivers a one liner to some nameless mook he just threw into a meat grinder and murdered horrifically. And that was just EVERY action movie from that time even if Arnie was the most prolific for it. I think we've definitely gotten better on the front of not making character's in movies and games come across as complete sociopaths overall even on the antagonist side since I see more writing where they're shown as actual people who've lost their way instead of inhuman monsters that don't really teach you anything beyond......don't be cartoonishly evil I guess? All that teaches you is that as long as you're not absurdly black and white monstrous you're not a Nazi, you're not a villain, you're not the bag guy because bad guys kick dogs, and beat women, and betray their friends. I've definitely seen a trend of much more human antagonists with actual lessons to learn from them instead of TERRORIST EVIL SHOOT THE EVIL Also funny enough there's another top comment in this section that complains the problem is people putting their life experiences in the writing whereas you agree good writing comes from sincere life experiences not from just making a character that's ironic for irony's sake or literally just a series of quips put together
Indeed. But it's not only that they lack personal experience and therefore just reference the media they consume. Because another part of the problem is the media they consume. These writers are not searching for non fiction books, they are not looking for stories that challenge their worldview, they are not looking for novels written by third world authors. They just read whatever authority have told them it's good. They will cite and apply Terry Pratchett's writing philosophy not because they agree with it but because they think it's good and as good writers they must do what good writers do like joss whedon does. Same as Ryan Johnson when it appears that he writes subversions because only good writers do subversions.
The problem with writers in modern gaming, movies and comics is this: the writers have never really lived. Most of them got hired straight out of college and only conversed with people in their own social circle both off the internet and on it. They never really struggled in life, they never explored new territory on their own. They never grew up.
I first grew aware of millenial writing in the newer Tomb Raider games. Lara Croft suddenly was swearing regularly at the most minute of inconvenience, when in past games she always acted like a classy British lady. I kept seeing complaints about how new Lara was 'Americanized'. Now it all makes sense.
Culture, especially in the US, pretty much flatlined in the mid 2000s. For close to 20 years now, music, fashion and "Most" Comedy has either stagnated or is so bereft of any originality, its cringeworthy. In my opinion anyways...
@@kevinkusman9137 Idk. I was in my early teens in the mid 2000's and I would say it was still a pretty fun time to be alive. Personally, I feel like the 2010's (but specifically from 2012 onwards) is when everything went to sh!t. That's when the popular fashion, music, movies, games, etc, started feeling completely alien to me. The late 2010's were especially bad. It was to the point where nothing even felt real to me anymore.
I swear to god all of this can be traced back to the tumblr exodus during the mid-late 2010's, it feels like since all the horrible writers and cringy, aggressive, condescending and overly political people of tumblr left and infested the rest of the internet, this kind of stuff has become really commonplace. And now because it's spread so far more people began to adopt the same mannerisms. This stuff used to be ripped on in like 2014-2015 because it was so awful, I remember! it was actively mocked because it was just CRINGE. But now it's become commonplace and inescapable. It's tragic
Exactly, People used to make fun of these people for a good reason. Now look at the state of everything since they have gotten power over the internet. The quality of everything has gone down and people just want to lie and say that it hasn't Nowadays making fun of those types of people is seen as "cringe" When they deserve it for the hypocritical and horrible things they want to do. its tragic to see almost every youtuber who used to stand against this shit suddenly change and promote the ideology of the people who they used to make fun of. They say its "maturity" But their is nothing mature about being a professional victim and treating everyone around you like shit.
I'm convinced the porn ban and resulting Tumblr exodus was done for the express purpose of spreading that hivemind across the internet. Looking back now it felt way too calculated of an event. 5 years ago nobody except the most echo chambered and terminally online weirdos cared about pronouns. Now it's suddenly mainstream to the point where people have their lives ruined for not getting some manchild's made up gender identity correct? When NOBODY gave a crap about this sort of thing in human history before? Nah, something is up
@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778it certainly doesn’t help that a lot of the people calling each other out are functionally the same, as in: equally full of it in their own way.
Just like the "revolutionary" boomer hippies have gotten into managerial positions of every aspect of our society after them done being edgy. Their losers kids, the millennials, now have to take the baton.
I believe tumblr is also where the whole MAP/NoMAP bullshit started where a bunch of p3dos started forming communities and gave themselves a new branding to appear harmless and sane
When I was like 11 or 12 I would write like this. I compare my old writings sometimes and feel like I have achieved so much and improved by leaps and bounds. Then I look at Borderlands 3 and ask myself "How in the hell haven't they grown up?"
writing a character - ONE character to be annoying piece of shit like that is ok when the character either dies in a long and painful way or witnesses his life being absolutely destroyed forcing him to grow the fuck up.
I look at my Kingdom Hearts fan fiction with cringe, but it inspired me to write my own work. Then I started noticing I don't have any connection of difference in my characters. I felt as though I was speaking through them without them being themselves. It feels like there are those who did what I did and go, "Yeah, but what can I do to make this MY IDEAL WORLD?"
@@YoshiTheOreo Even knowing that this is a problem, I've still struggled with it for years. It's partly just that I have been refusing to actually create characters who are different from me, but partly because I'm worried that if a character does something that I wouldn't do (or at least that I wouldn't do IN MY OWN MIND with perfect foreknowledge and hindsight) then I'm creating a caricature, someone who does stupid things completely illogically.
@@Selrisitai The solution I found that helps is roleplay the character(s) in their scenarios. Kind of like playing DnD with yourself. Second, a character Bible really helps ground each character to their traits and not yours. After doing that, it helps keep my personal speech patterns and ideas from entering the character and maintain their unique identities and traits.
"Not because they have anything to say, but because they think they have to say something". That's absolutely a perfect response about politics in games because a majority of the time it feels forced and you can see right through it.
The only time politics work in fiction is when it doesn't promote a sole party or ideology, but rather observes passively and allows the viewer/reader/player to make their own choices and develop their own thoughts.
I forget who it was who said it, but the quote "Nerd culture becoming mainstream has had disastrous consequences on western society" has stuck with me for a while
I remember the days when nerds and anime fans were bullied relentlessly, and I yearn for the day we can go back. And I say this as someone who really used to be into anime and was a social outcast, maybe that’s just me being a masochist though.
I enjoyed High on Life. I thought the gameplay was fun but the writing got really old, really quick. I would actively avoid using Sweezy, the vulgar woman gun, because she was so over-the-top crass and swearing nonstop. That really isn't funny or endearing if you're not being self-aware about it. I don't mind swearing in the proper context, but it reminds me of middle school when I think someone is cursing just to look cool or tough.
Yeah, I think the issue is while it would have been subversive, say, twenty years ago, now it's so common that it's bland, tiring, and uninspired. The subversion has become the norm.
I hate self-aware jokes, I hate meta jokes, I hate games based on LA culture, I hate modern social commentary. My main takeaway from this: I hate millennial writing.
i hate it as well, thats why i dont watch any current shows on tv nor have i for years....but its also in commercials and music channels and that makes it even worse....
Meta jokes aren't bad it's just people forget the "subvert expectations" part of comedy like if u took 2 seconds to think of what the punchline is then you've figured it out it's only good when done properly... Shame it never is
"I've told you before: the Idols are trying to build a post-capitalist society where money is not a concept." *I AM SUPPOSED TO BE A GANGSTER FUCKING PEOPLE UP FOR MONEY AND BUYING HILARIOUSLY IMPRACTICAL CLOTHING WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THIS SERIES?*
the end result of liberalism is always an oligopoly. Liberalism is self defeating, it erradicates itself once the monopolies can form cartels and manipulate the free market. Right now the oligarchs are so succesful they can do social engineering and make a system much like the soviet technocracy but through international private conglomerates. In the most ironic twist libertarians are defending private companies right to exercise censorship and deplatforming while the state is the one who still guarantess in the constitution the right to free speech.
@realProVail funny enough your comment is the same millennial writing this video talks about. " Yup that's a red flag" is that condescending sarcastic language he's talking about. And "red flag" is one of those terms that's picked up popularity on sites like reddit in recent years.
Bruh this explains why i liked Smiling Friends a lot, it's dark and sometimes pretty creepy but also weirdly optimistic, the characters talk a lot but in an actually convincing way, like each other, and are actually trying their best to be nice or at least polite, and everyone has an actual design and not the same damn haircut.
Zach Hadel, one of the creators, is an old breed of liberal. The ones who actually hate or just make fun of the new generation of the left. He's also very edgy and just funny, having his humor inspired mainly by Norm McDonald.
You were so close but you just had to use "bruh," which is another extremely obnoxious millennial "word." But yes, Michael Cusack and Zach Hadel are fantastic at making anti-millennial humor
@@pieterwillembotha6719 he's not a jew lmao, I think you are referring to Tomar. There's a running gag in oneyplays that they make references to tomar being a jew, in an edgy but ultimately harmless way.
I knew I wasn't the only one who gets annoyed by this "twitter speak" I rarely ever hear people complain about how obnoxious it is, or even point it out, so it's good to hear it coming from somebody else. I'm not even much of a gamer, but I know these types infest many drawing/ art communities, which sucks for me.
I think "twitter speak" and "Millennial Writing" has been very much been something people are talking about a lot, it's just that the term people use for it is called "Marvel humor/writing".
"Twitter speak" is just aave. If you know what this is and hate on it, then your racism is showing. Yall dont know because you prolly dont hear it irl, so its whatever.
@@lawfulgoodnun1646 What are you talking about? AAVE and twitter speak are two whole different things. Did we watch the same video, did we see the exact same example of tweets the video presents? Because from the tweets the video shows, that was not AAVE. How can you conflate the two?
@@taddonddat2217 im not not talking about the examples in the video specifically, those arent aave. However most people who complain about "twitter speak" are really just talking about aave specifically since thats the most prevelant dialect in the context of twitter. Like the the guy above my first comment is literally mocking aave.
its the same in pro wrestling..the hardcores would rather have a 30min match with no story,no interviews,no build and no commentary....just 2 guys doing acrobatic moves all the time...
Note: Charges made against Justin Roiland were dropped.
Respect. ✌
Gonna talk about the incredibly believable grooming allegations next?
Dang it
that's not why he ended up canceled because he's a groomer
Justin roiland could be a groomer but why only cancel him why not also cancel all the trans kids activist and drag queen that read books to children while showing off their balls
"They're not saying it because they think they have something to say, but because they think they have to say something."
That's such a great way to put it.
"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent" -Qui Gon Jinn
See, an ACTUAL wise pop reference.
in high school i had a friend who dealt with autism and i noticed he was starting to think the same way. had to let him know that not everything that happens online needs your opinion to be put out there. if you dont have anything to say, dont force it because youre "obligated" to talk about issues, youre not obligated
Exactly! That’s exactly it! Cause that’s how School tells you to write.
@@makutas-v261 "You are made of stupid." - that one guy from command and conquer
Plato: “Wise man talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.”
The perfect examples of "safe-edgy". They'll mention wage-slavery, but stop before they offend their producers
@@yavvivvay If they starved outside of their own 'wellness induced choice' they wouldn't be writing stuff like this because they'd have at least some lived context of suffering. They have none, so microgressions become a human rights violation.
@@vladthedragon8250 there is no hierarchy to suffering. Of course given that, there is a certain hierarchy of needs blocking each other. If you have issues in the lower needs you will think the level above is silly and ridiculous... until you get there.
@@yavvivvay There definitely is a hierarchy of suffering. It's the very definition between a need and a want and the consequence of being deprived of it. Contrast is what gives things their definition, without a low end contrast and with the high end being so stable it's invisible you get progressives.
@@vladthedragon8250 well I don't think there is as i mostly agree with Edith Eger who spoke about her suffering in the concentration camps not being more worth or worse than the suffering her patients experienced.
Moreover, people who literally have issues with getting food are sometimes the most optimistic and content individuals you can imagine - as suffering is complex and escapes easy definitions. But to each their own I guess.
IMHO the problem is the writers write about percieved suffering of others, not their own. There are many well written stories about depression or discrimination out there. There are also books about experience of others that work really well - you just need to let them speak and pull your ego out.
What I see in modern writing is mostly the unicorn upbringing of "you can be whatever you want" morphed into ego of "I never make mistakes" and "any criticismy of my writing is attack on the people who my agenda supports". The criticism then becomes an attack on your tribe, as you setup defenses of class/minority/identity around your work, unwilling to accept it might just be bad. Because when your work is good (Dead space remake) nothing of that matters that much, only fringe haters from both sides will blow up over it.
@@yavvivvay What's worse? Hunger pangs or a dirty look? But I agree with you about modern writing. I swear it's partly due to the self-esteem movement and advertising my generation was raised in. Dr. Pepper told them they were special and they believed it and it was all just to sell them.
The marvel cinematic universe and its consequences has been a disaster for the writing race
Snowplows and colon cancer have been a savior to the film industry
I miss old marvel movies man, they were better.
@@MarkMightBeBetter Same. Superhero movies should've never evolved from being a cheesy, aesthetically charming package filled with action for an hour and a half. Now you get this POG MULTIVERSE 🤓😲 crap with REFERENCES and MEMES and a lot of shitty lore that only exists to bait into sequels and spin-offs.
There are so many marvel movies they’ve told every single type of bad joke once.
It’s just new cringe, simpsons did it frist kind of argument said by people who don’t know how to write.
@@TNDTKDTTDTIDWhat’s the context for this?
1. Ironic, self-defensive detachment from anything that seriously matters.
2. Self-centered story-telling: main character is a self-insert of the author.
3. Pop-culture reference, pop-culture reference, pop-culture reference, pop-culture reference...
4. Vanilla activism: "Racism bad! Capitalism bad! Politicians bad!"
Every generation is pulling this crap. Don't let the old fucks and young dorks off the hook.
It's not even "politicians bad" it's "your politicians are bad but I will willfully ignore or no-true-scotsman the flaws of my side!" It's disingenuous. There's no introspection or _genuine_ self doubt allowed.
5. Jokes that are unfunny and excessively drawn out
It's extra annoying when I am millennial, and also quite left-leaning and they turn the whole ideology into a cringy farce. How do they expect people to take them seriously if they don't take themselves seriosly in the first place.
@@dungeonmaster217 don't complain, you are a big part of the problem, leftoid
This reminds me of when I was a kid seeing cartoons written by old people trying to be "hip" with the kids by featuring rap songs.
Hey possum didn’t expect to see u here
@@JesusChrist-ey9qt It's almost like UA-camrs are people who watch youtube videos as well.
@@StephonZeno yeah but it’s never UA-camr that I watch or care about
Unexpected Possum cameo
Holy smokes it's Possum!
to quote warren spector (director of deus ex) about politics in video games:
“Some years ago, I gave a talk at The New School in New York and afterwards did something I never do - went out for drinks with folks who’d been in the audience. At the bar, one of them sat down next to me (he was a little drunk) and asked ‘how could you make that right-wing piece of propaganda?’. Before I could answer, another guy walked up and, having overheard, said ‘right-wing propaganda? It was left-wing from start to finish!” The fact is, they were both right I guess, based on how they’d played. I was really tickled by that.”
Its almost depressing what some people consider "left wing" or "right wing" these days.
@@Don-ds3dy to me it’s even more depressing that people consider these terms insults in and of themselves. They are two sides of the political coin. There is evil on both sides but most people on either spectrum of belief are not extremists at all
@Antonio Gramsci yes because societies on the right are the only societies to utilize segregation…are you kidding me? And America invented slavery too, right?
@Antonio Gramsci Jesus Christ, shut up.
@Antonio Gramsci >Guy who has never had a genuine conversation with a conservative in their life.
“You’re really good at that! Shooting things, that is.” This line right here exemplifies Millennial writing. Rick and Morty is like this too. I finally have word for this, thank you.
Rick and Morty was better at it though. The thing is you can't just imitate things. You've gotta actually do something original.
I realize I often talk like that...... I feel like such a douche
@@Sorrowdusk Rick and Morty isn't exactly the pinnacle of comedy either.
It is the millennial humor before it got out of hand and spilled over everywhere.
High on Life basically encapsulates everything wrong with Millenial writing in the worst way possible
@@Skelterbane69 you’re not a douche you just consume too much similar content by these writers or online in comments/twitter
When he said "Maybe stop doing that problematic accent" I physically winced from cringe.
The person who wrote that probably believes that United States accents are “normal accents.”
And they call people who oppose their views "racist". You cannot make this up.
The “straight fire” joke made my skin crawl.
@@flowerbloom5782IMO that one is even worse because it was supposed to be a joke.
Like, I imagine the team of writers all together laughing because how "funny" the joke was.
I just heard that part. My heart just stopped
this writing style just screams ''im 36 and i never grew up after high school''
i forgot to add, i am younger than 36 and when i was a teen, i already avoided games like borderlands for having dialogue like this. i think mentioning even high school in the above sentence is too much of a compliment
Being younger than 28, I can also attest these millennials talk like this too. Untalkative aspies like me stick out
Because they peaked in high-school.
An average millennial
@@EplusNis4ever you missed out, BL2 was so much fun
1. Pop culture references
2. Characters that just won't shut up
3. Forced humor every 5 seconds
4. Everything is a "critique" of something
5. Cartoonish black and white morality
The 5 Pillars of Millennialism. Also everything needs to be loud for no reason.
As A millennial I agree, that is what some of the most loudest Millennials in the America think.
i like bocchi too :) AND your mockery of milenials as well
6.everything is toxo/phobic/blematic/soginistic and the author's massive ego si the solution
7.criticism toward the author's ego is rape-speech and toxoblematic and you shoud DO BETTER
8.any form of criticism is "acktualley *snort*🤓🤓🤓" bc you're speaking from your internalized ______phobia/giny/ism therefore your opinion is invalid (proceeds to seek validation in redditwitter...and to dogpile the critic)
Millennial writers are chronically afraid of silence and letting people come to their own conclusions
My millennial sibling mentioned there’s also a “millennial stare” scene a lot
Reminds me of yiik
The two rules of millennial writing:
1. The author is annoying
2. The writing is about themselves
I'm a Millenial but I don't claim these and Mindy Kaling
And there has to be a character with the shaved side swept to the other side style. For some reason it has to be included as if its something very important
@@MollyHJohns she is gen x
@@cold_static she's a gen x
@@redwaytoo Found the fragile millenial xD
i always called it reddit writting
I think everyone did, before Gen Z was old enough to pin the problem on millennials.
soy writting
I call it Twittard writing
tumblr writing
@@Warwipf Theyre barely old enough to vote.
"The writers just expect that we care about these characters"
That is one of the single most important roots to the issue, honestly.
Yiik comes to mind. Especially when the writer for that game called the many MANY people who criticized his writing as children who want toys, not art.
@@grimgrahamch.4157 Sounds like he was totally Yiiking out
I don’t care about real people why would I care about your fake ones ya know
@@Krustyplayboythat's unironically what a millenial writer would say
Good point!
"Write what you know" works best when people actually know things
lol
Then I dread the time when Gen Z humor is prévalant
Yeah all the old writers who tossed out that advice presumed people would live lives of struggle and meaning, not basically do nothing but look at social media all day. They really could not have foreseen just how dark the future ended up.
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe Another "social media bad" comment 😒
I genuinely loathe these hack writers.
"Erm. Okay. THAT just happened. Lets unpack this. (Insert meme/reference that either died 6 months ago or will die in 2 weeks here)"
I cannot wait for the day zoomerspeak and zoomer culture is mocked just like millennial shit is.
Yikes 100 Keanu Chungus Le Heckin Cuckolderino
"lets unpack this"
"hope this helps"
"that's gonna be a big yikes from me dawg"
"ok sweetie"
Six months?
Try six years.
''jesse what the hell are you talking about''
Imo it's the fallout of the 2010s' irony/cringe culture era. Fear of sincerity. Fear of being seen as "cringe" for caring.
I am so sick of the "post ironic humor" era of memes and internet culture. I am so glad 2024 has started to show the signs of this era dying for good. its been years of this shit.
@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778 I'm a Millennial, and it seems to me that Gen Z are a more sincere generation than we were, both online and in real life. It's great to see. I'm also sick of everything being ironic.
It's not just fear of sincerity. It's complete mockery of sincerity. Every potentially emotional moment must be ruined by a stupid joke. Everything in the story has to be slathered by a layer of metatextual "comedy" that ruins immersion. Heroism, family and basic human ideals must be mocked.
@@fattiger6957yeah sincerity would create stakes, which means these writers would need to take risks.
@@Thetallguy_zz Yeah that is true. That's why so many movies written by these types feel so toothless. The hero (usually a women, "POC" or both) is flawless from the start and the villain is a one dimensional pushover. The conflict always seems to be, not the hero becoming better, but the world realizing how great the hero always was.
There's a small moment in GTA IV that is the anathema to the millenial idea of "trauma". When going out on a date with Michelle, she might ocasionally speak about Mallorie, saying she is poor, to which Niko coldly responds "You people don't know what poor is".
GTA IV was something else.
The American Millenial conception of poverty seems to be “has some form of stress or mental burden due to lack of infinite resources”.
@@deriznohappehquite I mean, not really, I think it’s just more so just stress. And what do you mean not having infinite resources?
@@BlueTyphoon2017 like "having to get a job to affort living" as opposed to just having essentially unlimited funds to live and do whatever you feel like, like when you live at your parents place.
Thats what a lot of the, quite frankly really retarded, "anti-capitalism" thing boils down to for these people "i have to work but i dont want to work"
Modern poverty for americans seems to be that they can't afford the last iPhone Pro Max or whatever.
I love it when people known for mindlessly toxic consumerism make vague jabs at capitalism.
Pure irony.
Ong bruh. These peoples consumerims makes andrew tate look like Confucius.
I knew this guy, who kept doing the same twitter-speak shit about capitalism almost all the time after watching Hasan.
I said the military kinda has its own socialist economy going if u think abt it with their own in house barber shops and hospitals and stuff.
This motherfucker deadass said (copypasted):
"Thats not socialism. Socialism is classless, money-less society!
Capitalism isn't when you use money! Capitalism is low pay, exploitative labor, and no unions!!!!!"
Idk if this brainlet realizes that his description of capitalism applies to the USSR.
Ion hate the dude, but he was a massive Elon Musk meatrider before Elon Musk started talking bad about democrats.
Then he immediately switched his tone, and called him a capitalist grifter lmfao.
Pretty much.
It makes me groan every time.
You see if you make jabs at a vague system, you are free to make unethical consumption choices to your hearts content
This modern writing reminds me of how 2000's Nickelodeon sitcoms were written. Everything is said with a quip on top of layers of sarcasm. Characters will sometimes just yell and the humor often relied on being weird instead of being funny. Only thing is, shows like iCarly and Victorious are meant for children in elementary school. All of the games that take this form of writing are M rated games intended for adults.
The kids raised on that grew up.
Good point. Thank God I never watched those shows. Even me as a kid thought they looked weird.
These people probably never learned that that wasn't how other people actually talked in real life, they themselves being "keyboard warriors" and all...
@@alrightsquinky7798 I was forced to watch it cause of my sister ive always hated it lol
glad i grew up on south park and gta lmao (never thought i'd say this)
>character HAS to make a political statement even when it has nothing to do with the plot
>mc is left leaning and antag is right leaning
>black character can't go 2 seconds without mentioning white people
>male nudity good female nudity bad
>tradional gender role archetypes bad
>villain is a mass murderer psycopath but draws the line at making racist remarks
do you just want the enemies in videogames to start being racist out of nowhere? What does that even mean?
"and now my masterplan comes to fruition and I will cause global extinction! also its just a word! if they can say it why cant I say it?"
Lmfao true, a lot of writers genuinely think racism is an irredeemable character trait in a story then 5 seconds later redeem the murderous villain for example.
@jasperjackson8842 yes that would be awesome
remember, laws are not internal, they are external. Your brain is internal, because you are a human being, so start using that privilege.
Go out there and smoke a woke idiot.
I love the Tweet that goes “all art is inherently political”, with the top reply being “what is the political message behind fat Pikachu?”
@@whatev2453or that the lack of any immediate message is a sign that you support the status quo
It’s fat shaming duh, and it’s highly problematic
uhmmm the yellow pikachu actually represents the hyperinflation experienced in western montenegro around the turn of the 90's. but i would expect a FASCIST like you to know about it
If it doesn't have a political message then it's not art. Pretty simple, huh
It is a deep introspective look into the modern american life style and their over consumpsion of sugar and alcohol while living a sedentary life style causing most of the health problems, mental and physical, for everyone big and small. Yet it is being pushed under the rug as to not shame anyone... or something like that.
“they do these political things, not because they have anything to say, but because they think they need to say something.” perfectly describes this trend.
"Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something." -Plato
Because talking about politics makes them feel smart. Just like violence and swearing makes them feel mature.
The funniest thing about it that they often pick "capitalism" to be the political boogie man. But they don't really understand what capitalism is so half the time they defend it half the time they oppose it. They just throw in some post-modern political terms to hope people will be too confused to understand that they don't know what they're talking about, because it works on them on twitter.
It comes from schooling. Along with intersectionality, they started teaching that saying nothing is agreeing with the status quo. So unless you wanna be the bad guy, you have to actively talk about how much you hate them and want progress. 's pretty fucked if you think about it.
@@End3rDJgaming I've always resented that notion and think people who follow it are unintelligent.
This generation is like what Monsters Inc would look like if the monsters all had to mine cringe to power their infrastructure instead of screams.
Holy shit, lmaoooo!
Made me lol
Pretty sure that actually happened. That's what John "Hugs Not Drugs!" Lasseter was warning us about in _Monsters, Inc.._ But we didn't listen, and now we're paying the price.
"This one's not giving us any juice!"
"Don't destroy the door, get him a twitter account!"
If they had to harness cringe then the Monsters Inc universe would be a utopia.
My favorite millenial writing phrase is "Well, that just happened"
i raise you: "yeah, because *that's* not totally creepy."
Or: "NAILED it!"
Mine is “As an xxx” or “Speaking as a xxx.” It’s as if they’re too timid to just come out with it and say “I’m (whatever). Here’s what I think.”
Or making the most obvious pun imaginable and then saying "I'll see myself out..." 🤮🤮
@@jpdawinna1 This! So much this!
The scene in Saints Row 3 where they rob a bank dressed in their own merchandise and Johnny Gat is wearing a mask of his own head to hide his identity is a more nuanced critique of capitalism than every single line about capitalism in the new game put together
Same goes for the second game, with Dane Vogel. Not exactly subtle, but still manages to say so much more without ever having to explicitly call it out.
@@vinegar4556 Saints 2 is literally a game about gentrification and a ton of other shit and handles it with significantly more nuance than nu saints ever could
@Antonio Gramsci I agree it should've been taught to blue collar workers instead. That's kind of the people who benefit from it the most and really the backbone to any meaningful change when it comes to working people being treated better. Which is also why its the most important group to keep uninterested in it because the only people talking about it are the complete opposite of them. People who want to sound smart more than they want to talk to a person like a person. No mechanic, no landscaper, no framer, no electrician I've ever met is going to be convinced by:
"No you don't understand. Grasping the inherently exploitative nature of late stage capitalism and the class struggle between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie is vital to achieving class consciousness and retaking the means of production for the working class. You need to look at the imperialist cultural hegemony with a critical lens to free yourself from the WAGE SLAVERY INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM."
"Cool thanks I am wildly not fucking interested in anything you said"
"BUT DIACLECTIC MATERIALISM. LABOR THEORY OF VALUE. P R A X I S."
It would be super helpful if people stopped talking about this shit entirely by smelling their own farts and hoping the other guy digs the smell too.
@@Pragabond That's the issue though. The entire idea was made by lazy educated people who believed they were part of the lower classes because they weren't successful. This is why it always devolves into bloody chaos. Because it isn't about the poor being treated better, it's about causing enough discontent to get people to overthrow the existing structure so the upper middle class revolutionaries can seize power and promptly push their pawns back into their places.
@@Pragabond There are ways to critique capitalism (which is just the communist scare word for the free market, but let's not get bogged down in that) without being anti-capitalist. I'm from the blue collar background you're referencing and I have plenty of critiques of our system, wealth inequality being a serious issue for instance, but that doesn't make me an anti-capitalist. Anti-capitalism isn't ever going to appeal to people like me because it's inherently a white collar ideology created by ivory tower freaks who've never done an honest day's work in their life. Pseudo-intellectualism isn't a bug of the ideology, it's a feature, and not even that we don't understand what terms like Praxis or Materialism mean either. We just don't care. We're not revolutionaries nor do we want to be. We just want to be fairly compensated for our work and left alone, that's it.
Being quirky loses it's charm when it becomes vindictive and condescending.
That's the best way to explain it, bro
Evil can also be quirky, the problem is that these writers equate quirkiness with minorities and victims because they see themselves as anything but the bad guy.
@@lasarousibingo.
Too many people obsess over skin color/gender/orientation when personality and character is what actually matters and should be focused on
Yes!! Well said!
@@S_F_SThis!!!! This!!!! This!!!! Shut up man Jesus christ
As Tom Waits said: “the world is a hellish place, and bad writing is ruining the quality of our suffering.”
Is he still waiting??
@@discipleofdagon8195 lol, presumably.
The earth died screaming…about capitalism and carbon foot print.
That’s why God’s away on business.
@@Strider258ironically, carbon footprint is something that could destroy us eventually if we let it.
(Note: throwing soup on classic works of art does probably fall under “letting it happen”.)
Im glad the "pet the doggo" trend was mentioned, nothing drives me more insane than every game phoning in a cute animal or just a dog and creating an identity around it. I love animals as much as the next guy but everytime i hear some shit like "oh the heckin doggo derves pets cause hes just such a good boi, heckin chonker" i just groan. Can we not treat animals normally without turning them into worthless babies and making ourselves sound like idiots or is that "too hard for the millenial human person to adult"?
The UA-camr I Hate Everything calls them Dibbies, the definition is because a cute character which is only their to make people "aww" and to sell toys of them... so, the Minions lol
You don't love animals, don't lie to me.
I've notice this trend in not only games, but movies too. Every line has to be self-aware, witty, and ironic. Nobody takes anything seriously. It drives me insane.
The 'not taking seriously' is far and away my biggest pet peeve.
Literally everything HAS to be sarcastic, because emotions are scary and we need you to have positive association with our product so you'll think it's good.
@@axiss5840 so much this.
It's truly a cultural cancer to have the irony throttle to the max all the fucking time.
There needs to be poignant moments especially for characters or events the writer would least expect.
What makes this worse is that all it does is pull you out of the fictional world they're trying to present. A glorified SNL sketch is what the story and its world become.
Taking anything seriously is boring these days apparently
I mean seriously try and get a streamer to take a story based game seriously.
It's a sad truth that most gamers want dopamine rather that something thought-provoking
But it's been that way forever
You better get over it
@@NgaMarsters people should still always try to be better.
It's harder to be unironic while maintaining a certain tone.
Yes there's the real trap of being pretentious etc, but avoiding that's the skill of it.
I've become more and more aware of "Self aware writing" people who write that are aware of tropes and how stories work because thats thier entire life, watching shows and movies.
think "oh is this the part where you save me because I'm the damsel in distress?"
"oh youre setting up your character arc"
"really? that's your character motivation?"
but this video enlightened me to the rest of the problems.
what I want to know is what happens when we get to the parody phase? eventually stories are going to make fun of stories that do this.
"oh is this-" "yes this is the part where you say that you're aware of your role as the damsel in distress"
"look guys I'm aware of how story works, thats funny!"
I feel like dialogue is just going to implode. maybe serious scripts will make a return after that.
The weird thing is that writers who lack real-life experience don't have to fall into this trap. H.P. Lovecraft was a shut-in who got his entire worldview from his family library and his works invented a genre.
@@ingold1470 Sometimes I feel like there was some special ingredient to Lovecraft for all that though given the craziness of the genre. Inventing a new genre, like damn.
@@arc5015 the special ingredient was not talking about it, as this ingredient was host to a litany of horrors whose very being induced a sort of spine-chilling itching that crawled across the body in waves at the mere suggestion of its thought. One can only shudder to imagine (and I feel sick even placing these words upon this letter) of what would happen should the secrets of this vile, contemptuous additive-
I've said too much, they shall come for me now. I must make haste to the laboratory to find a panacea to this ill fortune....
Lovecraft's secret ingredient is his writing style directly reflects the fact that he grew up around high brow writing, but injects a very descriptive emotiveness to his work, uncommon at the time.
@@arc5015 The ingredient is called xenophobia (and I mean that in a medical sense, so irrational fear of everything that is different and everything that you dont understand). Which is exactly the basis lovecraftian horror works on.
remember Portal 2 and the whole "this is the part where he kills you"? But that was the only time they used that gag.
The popularisation of dead pool humour and laugh tracks has done irreparable damage to society
Yes, blame an actually funny character for society's bad humour now.
What's funny about that association is that laugh tracks have actually declined in popularity. I think Deadpool-style meta humor is closer to a current generation replacement for what would once have been a laugh track.
@@aidanandreasen2611 yeah I was mostly critiquing Big Bang theory which I think is one of the more recent shows that beat the laugh track to death and back
@@B_C1109 dead pool is a great film but I think too many people thought they could finesse the deadpool humour in their own content and it falls really flat
@Mirage Funny the first time, maybe.
I think you’ve forgotten another key social media platform that contributes to millennial brainrot: Reddit
Much worse than tiktok.
@@youngc570both are just as bad as each other IMO. Reddit encourages mob mentality and circlejerking while TikTok fries your dopamine receptors.
Reddit should just be abolished.
It’s just a forum for hobbies.
Reddit was one-half of proto-TikTok, pre-exodus Tumblr was the other. Reddit only really became insufferable in the late 2010s though.
Worst part about this type of writing is that all characters TALK THE SAME. Having one is fine, if your other cast is (lol) diverse. However to these people diverse is different colors of people that all act exactly the same. So fun and creative.
Yeah. Like Marvel films worked when Iron Man was making quips and jokes but almost everyone else took things relatively seriously. But because he was so popular, and his scenes were considered the best of the Avengers films everyone had to start doing it.
@@bob1986 it worked for iron man because tony did actually go through some serious shit was nearly killed multiple times. was kidnapped in a cave and forced to make weapons or be killed then eventually died by paying the ultimate price. So in alot of ways tony earned that right to be snarky and snappy, millenial side haircut character with nose ring however did not.
Marvel movies are indeed to blame for the trend, but I also think Diablo Cody and her Juno scriptwriting were probably one of the first instances to popularise this. A lot of self inserts, cursing for nothing and everybody just has to be witty and sarcastic to cringe levels all the time.
@@Daniel__Nobre Diablo Cody, that's a name I haven't heard in a while. I agree with you, and I would like to point that both her and MCU started around the same time, around 2007-2008.
@@amadeusagripino6862 Oh that makes sense. I don't know why I thought the successful Marvel movies/universe came later, thanks for pointing it out. So it can well be a kind of generational thing/trend :D
It's basically people who don't read adult books writing. They've never encountered a moral quandary that they couldn't solve or a paradox. They read books like twilight and hunger games with no complexity or challenge
They learned how to "write" from watching Marvel movies lol. They have probably never studied the craft in any depth and are hired based on a diversity standard...
@@PaladinHD given how the new dnd movie is literally marvel with a coat of fantasy paint I agree
It's mostly people in their mid to late thirties that either don't read at all or exclusively read YA
@@coboby3347 we're in the post hunger games and twilight years
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Man I sure do love everyone being a bitter 20-30 something urban millennial who lives in San Francisco, really gives immersion.
Millennials are all 30+ now.
That would be 30-40.
Millennials are old now.
20 year olds do not talk like that
@@wizajn in their own mind they're not
20-somethings are zoomers you clown
As someone who likes to write, my greatest fear would be to discover that i've accidentally written something millennial.
As someone who's drowning in watching anime for reference, I see no problem yet
A writer has no fear. Make what you think is good and fuck anyone else's opinions.
How ironic is it for a large profitable company to design, develop, market, and sell a product that says "capitalism bad"
truly a mindfuck
It’s like Diet Coke or Coke Zero, it’s marketed to be “better” than regular Coca-Cola but in reality they are worse than regular Coca-Cola
It's almost like they're being hypocrites on purpose and don't care when people "call them out" on it anymore.
i fucking love the corporate aestheticization of resistance. they simply just pick up the ideologies of people who never really grew up, horrifically mutilate them, and then fucking SELL it back to them for extortionate amounts of money. and the fuckers they sell it to eat it up like it's fried chicken. we wouldn't have half the number of soyjaks we do without this.
It's pretty simple, honestly: communism is the best way to consolidate wealth and power while trapping everyone else in poverty and enslavement. These corporations are pushing communism not because they think it's a good system for their viewers, but because it's the best system for the wealthy to always remain in power: they're the Party leaders.
I think it comes from a place of being scared of authenticity. They have a desire to say what they think the audience wants to hear instead of what the characters would actually say.
No you're completely right. Everyone is so scared of being themselves or offensive that nothing has weight anymore. It's like that uncanny 'camp' feeling you get from bad acting. How are we supposed to enjoy a story when the writers themselves can't genuinely say that they do?
wheres herbert moon when you need him
Redditors
I think it's got more to do with the type of people being churned out of these universities and cities (neoliberals). I don't think they can be authentic because most can't think for themselves, and those that can won't be authentic because of political peer-pressure. But some have very clear agendas that they follow in-tandem with other forms of media - and that's because of political activists and NGO's used by billionaires like the Rockefellers (and others) to force their politics into society.
Yeah. Seeing this video essay devolve into "It's the FBI, man!" was weird, although the initial points made sense. And yours is a fair extra factor. It's like how the MCU can't have emotional, vulnerable moments without undermining them immediately with a joke. Like they don't have the confidence to let the audience connect emotionally.
In terms of social commentary in games, I think it's the problem Tolkien brought up about hating allegory. He wanted his stories to have "applicability" so while you could see where he drew his inspiration from, the message fit in the world he created and didn't feel like a social commentary while you can see how it can be applied to real life. Now, modern writers don't have the skill to make something applicable without being a direct allegory or just saying it without even having an allegory.
I find that Tolkien's definition of applicability is so important for the audience or reader to feel investment or engagement with any given material instead of being bombarded with "propaganda" or just flat out flatulent noise. The former is how build a story and express themes while the latter is how you self-suck into hysteria.
I think it's just the lack of structural teaching of writing. Milleanils get so many inspirations and tips and tricks from the internet that range from good to objectively wrong.
Like what you're talking about: Allegory. While I do think there are allegories in Tolkien's work (in general the conflict between good & evil is an allegory), but Millenials make the connections to what the allegories are by the lowest commmon denominator a.k.a. the most lazily and generally applicable themes that you can say are "sorta similar".
That's a really cool idea. I'll have to find that quote.
This.
Ironic that Tolkiens work is now used in that very way
The soyed-out rumpelstiltskin on the thumbnail sent me into the coughing fit to end all coughing fits. Before the video even began it was a 10/10
I sure do love it when the greedy coorporations talk about capatalism
By monopolizing its critique they're free to abuse it without fear of retribution. It's an old trick. This is why all the major criticism of government comes from secretly government-backed sources. In America, this is Daily Wire, MSNBC, etc. It bounds the narrative within controllable limits and ensure nothing effective is ever done (or realized).
It's kinda brilliant, they sell merch about "capitalism" to fund the capitalism , and the folk keep buying it xd
@@ShowerCurtain1 Same I love it when they lecture about the importance of charity whilst sitting on more money a person could fathom 😍
@@pedrotbird5426I’m getting vague notions of a certain Turk streamer… Basan, Kazan…? Hmmm 🤔
Marx actually made this point. Capitalism is so all powerful as a social system that it commodifies literally everything, even the movements that oppose it like Religion and Anti-Capitalist political movements. People are tricked into thinking consuming anti-capitalist products, is anti-capitalism instead of supporting it.
Forspoken is yet more confirmation.
The fact that there is an option to disable the quips at all is funny. They know it would be a problem.
yeah, sadly. Sucks since the gameplay looks pretty cool.
It will be "Forgotten" in a month
@@unknownwill4th549 It'll be unspoken because nobody's talking about it
Modern Sony games in general all suffer from this problem.
Another problem that i've noticed recently is the lack of a good frame of reference for writers.
Back then most writers i knew were at least somewhat well read and experienced. Some were really deep into specific subjects too, like history, or a skill.
Nowadays it feels like their whole view of everything is molded by their social bubble, Marvel movies and twitter politics.
I saw another comment talking about how the old "write what you know" saying was cooked up during a time when people still actually had a decent chance at living varied lives of struggle and drive. It's very true, "write what you know" is actually more of a detriment when applied to people who basically just lounge around smoking weed and scrolling around Twitter and watching generic Marvel film 447.
I agree 100%. I think that is why most new content is just a bad copy of something that was already popular. It would be like writing a time travel movie and only using Back to the Future as your reference point. Sure you could piece something passable together but you would be missing out on the countless other science fiction works on the subject.
mIyazaki often talked about this in regards of anime. All the golden age animators came from a wide background, were being inspired by other mediums, studied real life, were reading a lot of literature and then made up all the innovation in the anime industry with what they gathered. The new generation only consumes anime and only studies anime, it doesn't are about the real world or other art that isnt anime so the result as he puts it is inhuman, is regurgitating the same things in an incestual cicle but with less soul each time.
@@bake-io1cf It even applies to the anime industry? Damn. It's gotta be true though, I remember a lot of the most influential ones usually had creators with some pretty interesting backgrounds (or pretty horrific, depending on, you know... how old they are...)
@@SnibsnBibs Anime is not at all what it was when i was younger. Moe slice of life took over everything since. I'd say the golden age was late 80s to late 90s, most of the greatest creators from that time have died or retired (R.I.P Satoshi Kon and Kentaro Miura) . Expect all anime from now on to be rotoscoped/ motion captured CG and AI bullshit.
One thing I've noticed about Millennial Writing, is that it tends to be ironic, in an lame attempt to be seen as funny and good.
Of course, this irony in truth, genuinely stems from the Writers own insecurities in the fact that they can't take their own writing seriously. So they're craving for validation from YOU, the Player, to say their "Ironic" writing is good and funny writing.
Sincerity requires vulnerability and openness, which is why it's scary to some people. Irony is easy.
I’m sick of seeing cringey millennial quips and baby talk and annoying trends everywhere. It really annoys me and pisses me off
What being childless does to a MF.
I'm honestly more sick of these people whining about me writing full sentences than anything else that comes out of their mouths.
I can pass off everything else as much of my generation being social media & grass-addicted morons with no sense of sophistication or integrity whatsoever.
literally i just cant. i dunno what yall problem is. yall be trippin LOL. i cant with this rn my sides my dude.
It sickens me and makes my hatred for society flourish, I'm glad I'm a recluse, it's better this way..
@Elijah Boyd ^^^ This SO much ! Hot take bruh. Yall be impressin me wit dat literal cabbage vibez. Low key FIRE yall yall.
The best pop culture references are subtle, acting as a wink-and-nod, or paying homage to the writers influences. That TARDIS in Fallout 2 is a great example, because it's just there, it's not like the characters stop the action and say " woah, it's the TARDIS from doctor who, isn't that wacky?"
Agreed
Arcane does this perfectly. Plenty of winks and nods for LoL gamers, but if you're not a LoL gamer, then the winks and nods just seem like real good world building and it doesn't detract from their enjoyment of the show.
Show, don’t tell
To me the pop culture references in Fallout 2 are excessive. That being said, Fallout 2 is much more restrained compared to modern games.
This is how WoW did it too
I disagree with Twitter being the genesis of “Millennial Writing.”
I worked in game development before Twitter’s rise and had to endure insufferable Californian hipsters that spewed that awful snark from the narrative teams. Writers were often spoiled Millennials with a fancy degree from some overpriced Californian university. They all acted like uppity hipsters and many of the devs started becoming passive-aggressive around that time as well (2007-2014).
All of our media and creative industries have been infiltrated and hijacked by these obnoxious cnts. It REALLY makes it difficult to enjoy hobbies I once loved. No wonder there has been such a renaissance in retro-gaming these past years.
And indies, don't forget about those!
Yeah, and don't think foreign games are safe. The translators are doing the same shit. No end in sight either.
@@drunkencowboyagni
Me: enjoying an online game cause it's kinda fun and both my child and I can play it together.
My child: Xinyan should've been more darker skinned
Even casual foreign games with a half way decent plot are getting the nu-American writing style treatment
@@ChangedWinds What the hell is the "un-American writing style treatment"?
you might be on to something, remember ad's that would target teen that tried to relate? those ads are cringe because it use millennial writing
The way millennials on twitter talk about capitalism is hilarious to me, as someone from the former Soviet Union. Like, you think we didn't have shitty bosses?
@@ΣτέφανοςΔημόπουλος-η7τ it objectively wasn’t a stateless, classless, moneyless society, which is what communism is.
@@danielsmokesmids - Yes. You ARE asking for it, but you are too brainwashed by childish idealism and too ignorant of history to know that you are asking for it.
@@ΣτέφανοςΔημόπουλος-η7τthe cccp definitely wasn't really communist since it had people in command and gerarchies, but still communism is plain and simple utopia.
@@asellandrofacchio7263 utopia is a new religion to replace God for atheists. You can't reach it, ever, because humans are flawed
@@asellandrofacchio7263 Chinese Communist Chinese Party?
And Mao's ghost would beg to differ, with the "Iron Rice Bowl" and the like.
Your final comments about telling producers to "unplug" is the most important part about this.
This snarky, cynical, self-referential and ironic humor is because millennials (and probably gen z) are utterly terrified of silence.
Of course a large part of this is from social media, but we're now part of a generation that has had most of it's life governed by popular media and the internet.
You'll notice how much of this "humor" just labors the point beyond belief. It constantly has to explain itself. Why is that?
The internet has an extraordinary ability to destroy diversity of opinion. You don't want to be "that guy with the bad opinion" do you? It's a hijacking of our innate desire for social conformity, but the internet puts it on steroids.
This exhaustive, self-referential humor stems from this insecurity. They think if they can criticize themselves with their snarky self-awareness, then it will lessen the blow of the internet social conformity mob. So they can say "yeah dude, that was the joke all along."
And that's what I mean by "terrified of silence." They can't bear to let a point stand on it's own or speak for itself. The awkward silence of people possibly judging you is what millennials fear the most.
But, is that bad exactly? Like I think it’s human nature too some extent too not want to be judged. Is the only real difference that the internet has put it on steroids?
@@BlueTyphoon2017 I would say it does because you’re not just an outcast by your local group, you’re an outcast to potentially thousands, which makes it feel more serious. At least, that’s how I view it.
That just makes me intentionally want to be "that guy with a bad opinion" more, no matter how much the oof/um/yikes "people" get mad about it
@@Damian_1989 Que no implique decir que el bicho es mejor que Messi o que Pelé es mejor que Maradona por favor
As someone who is gen z, from what I've seen, in general gen z likes that type of humor and writing but not when everything has that. Then it becomes too much and we get fed up. It ends up getting stale so many people from my generation end up playing older games or multiplayer games/games with multiplayer modes. The people from gen z that eats this type of writing up every single time have been people that follow Millennials that have influenced them on social media. The same Millennials who are also on Twitter for what seems like 24/7.
a lot of this kind of humor (the made-up words, the playground insults mixed with swearing, the sarcasm, etc) was very popular on tumblr from around 2010-2016, when a lot of millennials would have been active on the site. combine the "tumblr residue" with the fact that they have to be ~cool and marketable~ and you get a lot of humor like this
I’ve noticed culture catering more and more to the infantilization of people.
Most mainstream media is so safe and feels like it’s made for literal children. This goes for AAA video games, movies/shows, even music has become simple as hell.
yeah 100%
It's the kind of humour that DSMP and HLVRAI fans have and I can't express how much I despise it. The aesthetic artists too, yk the ones. The ones who tween at 5FPS with a super desaturated pastel colour palette. Every one of these people talks and acts the exact fucking same there is absolutely no individuality. The neopronoun TikTok people, too. I don't understand how these people can all act the exact same and not feel ashamed. YOU don't have a damn identity. You're just mimicking what others say. How do you not feel embarrassed? All the same opinions and tastes. These people consume the same exact media too and love the same UA-camrs. They latch onto trends and immediately adopt new bullshit lingo. "I'm a blurry fragment with somewhat of a name and personality /pos" "i'm stimming so hard rn,,," "WAAAAA EATZ !!! /pos /th" "omg ur stinky /hj" THEY ALL ACT QND TALK TH3 3XACT SAME I HWTE THEM
I DONT CARE TAHT THIS IS OFF TOPIC NOW I HATE THESE QUIRKY ASS KIDS WHO ACT THE EXACT SAME AND REPEATEDLY SPEW THE SAME TIRED QUIRKY BULLSHIT
The tumblr exodus is what caused this, if tumblr didn’t ban adult content this would have never happened or happened on a smaller scale
Tumblrs death was a disaster and you can't tell me otherwise
The most bizarre thing about this era of writing is that playing a scene, a character or a cliche in a completely strait and normal way is now subversion kind of.
Also I patently dislike how much current new age writers seem to offload their personal issues onto the audience. It's ok and good when writers explore heavy themes, but at least make it look like you aren't just talking about your daddy issues or whatever. I don't want to hear your weirdly personal and maybe even vindictive fantasies in animated comedy or some other shit.
Agreed. That’s a big part of why I loved Big Jack Horner as the villain in the new Puss in Boots movie. He’s not misunderstood, no tragic backstory, no redemption arc, none of that crap. He’s just straight up evil and revels in it. It’s awesome
It's therapy all the way down
@@JingIeFett remidnms me of Claude Fuastus he is pure evil the whole time but the way he does it an what draws him in thay makes him interesting he never redeemed himself he just finds out that the fuked himself over an was controlled an killed by his own prey
"Velma" anyone?
Turning red was the most bizarre example.
We now have an entire Star Wars show written like this, haircuts and all
Not anymore 😼 and that's a rare dub for 2024
The phrase “Is this adulting?” Is the perfect example of this and pretty much encapsulates their entire existence.
the people that say that are also always like in their 30's too
the average millennials' brain stopped developing by the time they graduated high school
Damn, bud. You sound exactly like a millennial complaining about boomers.
Weird, huh?
@@AnimusBehemoth"Only one group of people can be terrible at a time."
@@TaRAAASHBAGS funny how it always happens to be the generation older than yours, eh?
Im not judging anyone for it, just can’t help pointing out that it happens every generation.
@@AnimusBehemothEvery generation has its dumb quirks and downfalls, so, yeah, it’s always going to happen. The previous and newest generation will be considered obnoxious in some way, and so will that generation too. Because it’s all true. Never won’t be something to mock and complain about for people.
The "Problematic Accent" joke really pissed me off. Some people actually talk like that.
That was the worse line in the video
Italians are problematic now
I'm sorry, but could you refrain from using language that may insult victims of beingbornwithoutabladderitis in the future? Saying 'pissed off' is like the N-word for the Non-Bladdered People.
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@@lonemaster9290 wassup pissed off
it’s simply insecurity deep down so they mask it with ten layers of irony and meta humor and shitty quips
Insecurities and resentment
What watching too much Rick and morty does to one’s brain
In my experience it is indeed insecurity. There's this mental block of writing dialogue that's just straight to the point or genuine feelings/expressions because writing non-serious quips helps shield against the fear of mockery. This style of writing is like a bandaid for your ego from the inevitable criticism. "if these characters aren't serious, if i don't put any effort, then it won't matter when people don't like it." And then add an overdose of corporate cynicism and you get these.
I used to love meta humor, I still do in some ways, but it's been beat to death now.
@@Dhips. Thats not the real problem. Like most comedy, its when a concept is reduced to its most superficial elements, stagnates due to a lack of understanding by those who use it as a substitute for creativity, that you end up with something becoming stagnant.
Meta humor and deconstruction require a strong understanding of mechanics behind a given trope, as thats needed to twist it into a joke. Meta humor as its referred to today "self awareness", is just calling out a trope and never executing it. Or worse.... calling out the trope, and executing it anyway. Its the lack of creativity to do something with the idea that makes it grating.
Another thing to consider is irreverence. Despite what the name might imply, its entirely possible to mock something in good humor/nature, while still firmly critiquing something about it. A reoccurring issue I'm noticing with the current generation of writers and commenters is tendency to take things very superficially, if not out right literally. Its hard to tell if this is lack of understanding of the subject matter, or a lack of consideration of deeper concepts, and stopping the first emotional reaction.
toby fox/omocat did to indie games what mr beast did to youtube.
they themselves didn't do anything wrong, it just worked too well and now we have...
To be fair, Mr Beast studied youtube (like dream studied reddit lmao) and is able to utilize his knowledge about youtube to be successful.
Yes Undertale did do something wrong. The moment a medium becomes about itself it fails to fulfill its purpose and disappears up it's own backside. Also its big takeaway is that players play games wrong. Completely insufferable. Really good soundtrack though.
@@andrewsherman8574 What do you mean, if you don't mind me asking?
@@TheRealChrisHansen777 I'm sorry, you'll have to be more specific. Not sure which part you want elaboration on.
@@andrewsherman8574 A medium becoming about itself, as well as a medium's purpose.
Another point to add. Writing has become more and more humor to people who cannot hold a conversation properly. I loved that you brought up fallout 2 because in that game there’s a scene where an enclave soldier begins to become irritated really quick when you ask him who the president of the United States is multiple times. It’s the funniest shit ever and it doesn’t rely on shitty one liners. Just good old fashioned writing.
Fallout 2 is a masterpiece of writing. Anything from Chris avellone is.
Ted Lasso might be the most unbearable character ever written. Every character in that show communicates through pop culture references and virtue signaling and its supposed to pass as a personality
Oh yeah, you're right. "Enclave maincomm" guy was good writing. I always just thought of it as funny.
Writing like that requires being able to put yourself in someone else's shoes, mentally, which I don't think the subjects of this video are capable of. They'd have thought, "durr, patriot American soldier man? He dumb! Make him speak dumb, and racist too."
“Enclave here why isn’t your video feed working?”
And there you go old fashioned writing that's not what this is It's new stuff that just came out get with the times bro
I remember when i was a child, swearing with my friends made us giddy because it was so taboo, i guess. It seems that these people just never grew out of it.
@@hungrycrab3297 just take a peak at reddit comment sections. They always make up the cringiest ways to swear.
this is a major reason why whenever a piece of entertainment shows any traces of good writing it's hailed as a 10/10 masterpiece.
People are starved for talent
A drop of water for the thirsty masses...
Sometimes all it needs are good graphic representations tbh, that's what happens often for movies or animated shows. Writing might be dogshit and generic but as long as it looks cool 20 iq amebas will love it, and they are millions
like Billy Joel said: "I am, as I've said, merely competent. But in an age of incompetence, that makes me extraordinary."
"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king"
I call this type of dialogue "Reddit Speak"
>degree in English
>butchers English on daily basis
Can't make this up.
Me fail English?
That’s unpossible.
An F in English? Bobby, you speak English.
Probably got that degree from a box of gluten-free Cereal(tm).
What do you think modern English degrees teach? Not how to use English, but rather that any way of using English is equally correct. Except the correct way, because that implies you are better than others.
@Brutus the Bear I imagine it teaches rhetoric or newspeak if I might make a tasteless reference to Orwell.
Imagine a world where Joss Whedon pursued his dream job as a podiatrist instead of moving to Hollywood, we'd be spared the world we live in today.
That should be the plot of the next Back to The Future movie
imagine a world where Seth MacFarlane didn't miss his flight 🥰
Where everything doesn’t need to have swearing every five lines to be edgy and cool for the audience, but it all sounds really stupid.
@@IvanVKlik even better
It sucks too because as far as I can see, Whedon is good at writing, it's just he gets imitated by people who aren't so good.
Millennial game writers trying their hardest not to create the most boring and unfunny characters for 10 seconds(very hard challenge)
is what you said Millennial speak or Gen-Z speak?
*dies*
@@jonsnow9659it’s millennial, cause the writers in question are in they early 40’s most of the time. It’s their awful attempt at appealing to zoomers.
@@jonsnow9659 millennials ruined SM. I was born in the in-between stage of them so I got to watch all their BS unfold. They are a stain on this planet and ultimately can't do shit until they bitch or moan enough. That's just a fact, I've yet to meet a millennial that is emotionally stable or able to critically think about situations separating thought from feeling. It's disgusting and disturbing how up their own ass they can be
@@mightquinnable I think he meant the meme, unless you mean the meme too?
“It feels like these stories only represent the experiences of young, wealthy, inner city tech people from coastal cities of America.”
Thank you so much for pointing this out. I moved to a coastal city from one of those (apparently) hellish small towns of America to work in the entertainment industry, and so much “representation” we see in writing is just an echo chamber of people who don’t even realize how wealthy they are. They’re too busy shitting on less fortunate, less developed areas and blindly spewing stereotypes to even realize how little representation those lives ever get and how important they are.
People are on your side
These folks dominate all media. Well-off neurodivergent Millennials taught from birth that they are special, destined, and guaranteed an audience whether they work hard or not. So their work is boring, never to-the-point, and performative. It's the work of people who never had to try. Main characters get things handed to them because of who they are, no one works hard or experiences pain or loss, and there are no unique voices or perspectives. Truly the artwork of people who insist they are interesting because they exist.
They are the types of people who ramble at open mic night, not because they have anything to say, they just feel entitled to have a microphone in their hand at all times.
i think the lack of sincerity comes from fear of being judged by the internet. it's easier to handle someone shitting on your bad jokes than shitting on something you truly believe in.
Make white man bad, make woman/POC good = social media claps
Good point. That might be why so many people just regurgitate memes. It is much easier to accept crickets when the joke wasn't a product of your actual wit
Daaamn, reminds me of Sam Hyde when he actually spoke about the very same thing, about a teen rapper that 'joke-rapped half the way because he was afraid of being authentic and be mocked, so it's easier to produce parody gargabe that you can excuse of any criticism'
As an unpublished writer, that is an honest fear of mine. Not the kind that stops me dead in my tracks, mind, but it's definitely caused some real anxiety. "What if this thing I've poured my heart and soul into just goes completely unnoticed," says the voice in my head that makes me lock up at my keyboard. "Or worse, what if it's just reviled? What if I become the next fodder dummy for the Rant-sona hordes and the video essayists? What if my first failure is so catastrophic that it's also my last?"
It's kind of scary, watching the critic world tear apart people like E.L. James and Stephanie Meyer and the like, and all too easy to think, "well surely MY work is better than that". But is it really? Would I recognize if it wasn't? I'd like to think so, but I imagine so did the ones that got tossed into the wood chipper before me, and it sure didn't save them.
I'm not opposed at all to criticism; it's a necessary tool for the improvement of any art, but social media is in a place right now where a creator's reputation of quality can vacillate between champion of their craft and incompetent, untouchable wretch at the drop of a hat. I guess what I'm saying is that the peanut gallery isn't throwing peanuts anymore, they're chucking white phosphorus grenades that burn the words "fell off" out of your fucking ashes, and it makes amateurs like me and mine that much more anxious to step into the spotlight with anything we don't know will please the crowd or not.
@@joeyberg5765 You're speaking my mind perfectly.
On the internet, the worst, most vile crime you can commit is, apparently, being cringe. And people will gang up on you for sharing a cool idea/art that people see as that.
This is 100% a result of being terminally online. This is something I've noticed in practically everything. Hirohiko Araki (JoJo writer) wrote a book about how he writes manga and one thing that always stuck with me is that he mentions "he always take references from real life". If hes going to write about Italy he researches it, he goes there, has experiences and interactions. That was years ago, but for creators these days its not like that. If you've been steeped in your hobbies (video games, comics, the types of media were you see this decline) chances are you dont make a lot of time for living your real life. They end up emulating what they see and every generation past the original ends up as some kind of emulation of its predecessor. It ends up so far removed from what it originally was supposed to be that its unrecognizable. Being steeped in the culture of only your college, your friend group, or your discord server is going to ruin your grasp on whats truly enjoyable and leave you with what you've shaped your brain into enjoying.
*laughs in the byproduct of iterative design*
"The fourth stage is pure simulacrum, in which the simulacrum has no relationship to any reality whatsoever. Here, signs merely reflect other signs and any claim to reality on the part of images or signs is only of the order of other such claims. This is a regime of total equivalency, where cultural products need no longer even pretend to be real in a naïve sense, because the experiences of consumers' lives are so predominantly artificial that even claims to reality are expected to be phrased in artificial, "hyperreal" terms. Any naïve pretension to reality as such is perceived as bereft of critical self-awareness, and thus as oversentimental."
Meh
No, this is 100% Joss Whedons fault.
this quote is about anime but it sums up your statement "The problem with the anime industry is that it's full of anime fans" ~hayao miyazaki
The sentence "tommy needy drinky" really changed my entire life
Makes you think, doesn't it?
You can tell that Tom makes a lot of terrible puns followed by "I'll see myself out"
Me needy to be tommy.
Took years off my life
I haven't finished watching the video yet, and that line sounds like something from Rugrats. Please tell me it's from Rugrats
Edit: It's not
"It feels like these stories only represent the experiences of young, wealthy inner-city tech people from the coastal cities of America."
Exactly. That's the whole issue right there. It's an out-of-touch, self rightious, circlejerk perpetuated by a privileged isolation from everyone else.
Well articulated and incredibly accurate.
Privaledged?
Yeah, i just think that the majority of public is from these metropolis, like video games doesn't target Nigerian Radish Farmers
Not just that, but maybe more specifically, "Hollywood" writing, written from one bubble of California
@@grandevirtude9830 It might not target Nigerian Radish Farmers but the majority of people in general terms, do not reside in high-society suburban homes on the outskirts of San Francisco. They live amongst celebrities and things of that nature and are heavily influenced by that culture, which basically means they are detached from reality as far as the "common person" is concerned.
I think the core problem is a fundamental aversion to sincerity. You see, when you write something with sincerity, you're taking an actual risk. After all, if your sincere writing still falls short and gets criticised, or if a very vocal contingent of people criticise it loudly, then it's a big hit to the ego. Some people just can't take that.
But if everything is bubble wrapped in a thousand layers of irony, you don't have to come to terms with critiques of your work; you can just be like 'well yeah, but it's all a joke/ironic/satire etc anyway' and never be, for a moment, vulnerable in one's writing.
It's why, for all its faults, I infinitely respect, say, the writing of Sonic Frontiers compared to the writing of Sonic Colours, because even if, yes, they're writing about the exploits of some pipe-limbed technicolour rodent, one game still pours their heart into the wacky colourful talking animals while the other just elbows the audience going 'lol, isn't this fast spine creature so sassy? Hyuk hyuk, the evil scientist... has a moustache! Aren't we so ironic and cool?'
This, absolutely this
People making stuff dont really want to take risks nowadays since your ego is the most important thing and failure is the enemy of """being perfect"""
So instead of actually learning on what they did wrong and hence improving, they simply slap the "irony" mark on their "art" and thus being immune to the "enemy of progress" that is genuine critique. And therefore never going any further
bingo.
Funny you bring up sonic, its the reason why despite sonic 06 and Shadow the hedgehog being bad games they are more talked about and remembered then forces, worlds or colors is because the people who wrote sonic 06 put their actual heart into the games story and tried.
@@bigblue344 Yeah, Sonic 06 is clearly a project with heart and sincerity, just a botched one. And yes, that makes the failure spectacular, but at least it's somewhat vulnerable.
You had me until you started talking about the story of Sonic the Hedgehog.
Politics in Metal Gear Solid: "The military industrial complex is a disaster for human rights, and one of the worst things to happen to the world. War is horrendous, and it's being marketed as a good thing"
Politics in Millennial games from multi-billion dollar corporations: "Capitalism is bad, and racism is bad" *features a microtransaction shop, a literal token black character, and a season pass in a single player game*
Exactly my gripe with "modern" games.
Perfectly said.👍
There’s a good tumblr post about Kojima that he created a brilliant series to comment on the horrors of war but ended up making everything look super cool as well because he has the mind of a 12 year old boy who thinks guns are cool
@@Dogy0909 That's the cognitive dissonance of the videogame media. It's fun to virtually point and shoot, unfortunately. I wouldn't put too much blame on that, however the symbolic/subconscious effect it has on people who play games is a bad thing - that's why the military industrial complex loves CoD. If I were a gamedev like him I think I simply wouldn't make games that involve shooting people, but that's not a way to solve the issue.
Hot take: Kojima is a bad writer. There are certainly parts of each MGS where the writing really shines, but if you step back from the highlights and look at the games as a whole they are a needlessly convoluted mess filled with hours of exposition dumping. Kojima is certainly creative, no one can deny that, but the man is in desperate need of an editor and may be the victim of his own success in that regard.
"It's very diverse... or rather, it reflects the demographics of San Francisco"
THANK YOU. The fact that people in California make "diverse" media that looks exactly like what they're used to needs more recognition.
the bit about millenial passive aggresiveness is so true, I find it so annoying, I much prefer to be insulted directly than to be condescendingly moralised at
Tbf, sometimes the point of insulting someone is to annoy them, but I agree with your statement nonetheless
@@lordwaluigi8535 It's more they can't handle a direct confrontation of whatever is causing them to be passive aggressive, so instead they annoy in the hope that they win without confrontation. When confronted they meltdown normally, so I do my utmost to confront them...
@@BrKnOblivionyeah that's just people in general
to be fair, everyone is passive-aggrevise nowadays. none can handle a direct confrontation anymore because people live in their little bubbles with people that never challenge their ideas. the echochamber they lock themselves in has made them forget how to have a discussion, so they either act passive-aggressive or straight up start screaming at your face if you disagree.
@@giulioceresini1435sounds like you can't bud. Swim in confrontation so when a dipshit wanna press you, you're doin laps.
Yeah, I feel like a split occurred around 2017 where 90% of humanity moved on from 2016, but a few stragglers, mostly concentrated in a few urban clusters, just stayed stuck there forever.
tumblr exodus
dude it really broke them, and covid got another large batch similarly stuck
Dab
the major urban clusters u mean, who control basically everything.
and it seems to have hit every sector of the political spectrum, going by how this whole manosphere thing is going.
every year that passes, the grass gets further and further out of reach. ur grandmas been pulled into a flat earther facebook group, ur son unironically thinks the ussr was a force for good, and ur husbands started to eat only animal innards and milk
@@CmdrN7 One could say.... Home-Stuck! Ahyahyahyahyah
It's literally just the philosophy of "be as hyper self aware, ironic and quirky as possible all the time non stop with no restraint" and good lord is it annoying. It's worse than excessive toilet humour.
Just see you under an Back 4 Blood Video bro! I think B4B have same problem this video mentioned.
I recognized you through that bright orange and black X, by the way.
@@twilightsparkle2764 Yeah B4B has characters that ate exactly like this. Wisecracks in lieu of personality lol.
Toilet humor *is* the most refined humor there is.
This happened because millennials grew up with sarcasm type humor with media like Office Space, like you mentioned. But after years of building resentment like everyone else, their goofy sense of humor becomes a cynical bite to anyone who disagrees.
Millennials would never like something thats good like office space
I agree The literal problem is that these corporate entities think that the modern day Twitter user is what the average teen/young adult is like. When in reality people like this are the minority and are often disliked by the majority of people in the real world
Twitter allows people who are bullied to have a voice. Unfortunately, all those people were bullied for a reason, and then you add in celebrities.
@@Beowulf__ Honestly, since musk took over those people have been losing their power. They all came from tumblr, but since musks takeover they haven't been able to really start any cancellations anymore.
I blame this partially on the tumblr migration of 2018. A lot of the stupid stuff you see on Twitter really originated or at least spread on tumblr. when all of those people left Tumblr because of the NSFW ban, it impacted the anglophone Internet landscape more than you would imagine. Twitter is a “normie” platform compared to Tumblr so more people were being exposed to those ideas.
dude wtf. look at their employees. they are the people on twitter. you live in fiction.
One of the things that really bothers me about this writing style is that it never feels natural. Jokes like calling something “the big succ” only really work when made among friends, or in the vacuum of the raw internet. When the game itself tries to do that kind of humor without any self awareness of just how stupid these kinds of jokes are, it feels like corporate_entity#37 just sat down next to me on the couch and said “you like the internet memes, yes? What a coincidence, I also like the memes!”
I woke up to this when I finally started to notice so many rich celebrities complaining about capitalism on Twitter but still taking 20 million dollar movie roles and doing fuck all to actually help better the world
To be fair, you’re allowed to benefit from something while still recognizing its faults and seeing how other people don’t reap the rewards that you do.
Aren't you still a bad person though?
My favorite is listening to someone complain about capitalism with a background full of funkopops and nendoroids.
@@nathanwagner6535 you're right with your statement, but i don't think it's applicable here.
they don't criticise it in a way that respects the fact they them self actually benefit from it.
but they rather make it seem like they're one of the many victims of capitalism whilste they're actually one of the problems of capitalism.
it's like if McDonalds would complain about unhealthy food and it's effects on obesity.
@@nathanwagner6535 No you're not. I (blonde hair blue eyes) would benefit under National Socialism but I would still be openly against it because I know that it hurts other people. Don't try to lecture me about how bad Capitalism is when you yourself are the evil Capitalist.
I had millenial friends who unironically just tell me to "do better." Why are these people so prone to throw judgement yet recieve no critique themselves.
that and "just be a good human". ugh
"Receive no critique themselves" Maybe you're not very aware of the early to late 2000s (or later, even) but Millennials have been dunked on for decades, lol. It used to be a running joke about us being blamed for everything.
Ive recently heard the term "safe-edgy" and i think that's common now.
Why do i feel like they're two opposites
"Safe and edgy"
@@mohannadalshamrani199gmailIts people who are fine with making fun of white nationalities but not brown people basically
Those, don't even go together. How does that work???
@@BLKKNGofficial I.. don't really know. I'd say it means only being moderately edgy?
@@mhmtakeyatime9000 so like...Shrek maybe? Or shadow the hedgehog
Consider the following:
It used to be that writers would inject their experiences into their stories. But nowadays writers have no experiences. All they have is their 'experience' of reading stories. So they can't comment on life, only literature. So every character they write acts as a vessel to comment directly on the story itself OR on the situation as if it were a story someone had written. This is why characters are always removed from the reality of their situation and seem almost self-aware. They're critiquing it - often in real time, not experiencing it. Instead of screaming, 'Oh god!' as a monster chases them, they roll their eyes and say, 'How cliche.'
This is the source of 'ironic' observation. If the writer can't explore the human condition by virtue of his lack of life experience, then he will use his storytelling to explore all he does know: storytelling. And by 'explore' we largely mean 'comment on'.
We can take Forspoken as an example. After receiving the magical equivalent of an Uzi, the heroine is no longer afraid of zombie bears rushing her down. Instead, she quips. Why is the situation no longer terrifying? The author would naturally protest that she has the solution to her problem and is therefore 'not in much danger anymore'. But the consequence of her failing remains: grisly death. The odds of failure are largely irrelevant to the fear anyone ought to have. But this fails to be expressed because the reality of the situation, and the feelings of the character therein, are not considered. Instead, the story beats are the sole factor, without any time to allow for the heroine to adapt to them like any normal person would.
In essence, a decent writer would create a character and by changing the story, would write how that character would adapt. These terrible writers presume that the adaptation is instant, as though the heroine has already read the script, and it responding NOT to her situation but to her position in the narrative.
So the ideas of post-modernism, cynicism, and subversion aren't necessarily intentional. It's just what happens when the author criticizes his own work within the work. It's self-referential because they can't provide commentary on life itself, on real experiences: only stories. So the works of the author are always self-critical and the characters therein borderline self-aware. Which is why they often present as psychopaths.
amazing post, i am gonna say something a bit off topic, i saw sargon on twitter saying that the reason leftists argue that black cops killing a black guy is white supremacy is because they dont see the police as something that could be created outside a western place, someone said this is crazy and reading too much into it and a few moments later a popular black activist blue checkmark literally said that the police is a european institution that did not exist in africa therefore having it and imposing it on cultures is white supremacy. The reason i am saying this is because i followed the guy before he had 100k subs and i have paid so much attention to wokeness that i can now predict how things will go
Eg the new thing, say its a popular franchise is always gonna star a stunning and brave woman and replace the main character, all the men will be stupid weak or evil and all the women will be smart tough and no one would understand them because they are just so great and special. The new last of us tv show dedicated an episode to a minor gay charater. Here is my prediction, they gonna kill joel and replace him with this gay character in order to make the cast more diverse. New james bond movie is gonna be about a diverse group of agents, so its like the new witcher show, this is the agenda they are heading. Of course none of it will be serious, it will be full of critiques and quips and mockery and people like the critical drinker and mauler will praise games that are woke but they dont have cringe eg horizon, god of war while bashing the she hulks. This of course guarantees that tolerating lite wokeness is gonna grant you more wokeness. Everything these days is made to be diverse and has checkboxes of said diversity its a very corporate style of doing things but hey they are woke so they are the good guys and they get more money through ESG scores and checking diverse checkboxes. But the people who write this game either take it a bit seriously, in which case you get woke games with minimal cringe or dont take it seriously so you get games that dont take themselves seriously with maximum cringe.
Sargon said to watch the latest matrix movie because its an admission and a documentary of how these people live. They sit there in a corporate boardroom trying to analyze the matrix which in the movie is a videogame so they can make a sequel. This is how the writer of the movie lives and who they surround themselves with, this is why everything is bad. This will not change until people reject the whole thing and the media defending them and not the laziest extreme cases, they must be rejected as talentless hacks or they will keep doing it forever regardless of not being profitable, it will become a habit and how to do things. In order for things to change we have to get better ideas from a foreign culture unaffected from these things, which is becoming harder and harder every day.
It's truly ironic that the people who most often use ironic observation and decry the 1%. Are the wealthy 1% shielded in a protective metropolitan bubble. It'd be good for 'em to put their phone down and look around at the real world.
@@arkgaharandan5881 I agree. I love the fiction manosphere but by giving attention to this shit we are only perpetuating it, by congratulating "what they do right", it's just fence sitting and scrapping for crumbs, like Thor_Skywalker for example he is a swell dude but being nice isn't going to get us anywhere, we should just stop paying attention yes everyone will lose subs and views but it's for the better.
I mean I kind of agree but honestly characters tend to act that way in most video games. The only ones where they don't is survival horror games where you're SUPPOSED to feel scared whereas this is a power fantasy. Games like this have always handled the switch from powerless to powerful about the same way. Haha funny quip you are STRONG NOW FEEL POWERFUL. I think you might be delving a bit too deep into that in particular. That and a LOT of characters in movies and games have ended up coming across as psychopaths for entertainments sake its been par for the course mostly always.
If you stop and think about a lot of 90s action movies the characters murder some rando and then Arnie delivers a one liner to some nameless mook he just threw into a meat grinder and murdered horrifically. And that was just EVERY action movie from that time even if Arnie was the most prolific for it. I think we've definitely gotten better on the front of not making character's in movies and games come across as complete sociopaths overall even on the antagonist side since I see more writing where they're shown as actual people who've lost their way instead of inhuman monsters that don't really teach you anything beyond......don't be cartoonishly evil I guess? All that teaches you is that as long as you're not absurdly black and white monstrous you're not a Nazi, you're not a villain, you're not the bag guy because bad guys kick dogs, and beat women, and betray their friends. I've definitely seen a trend of much more human antagonists with actual lessons to learn from them instead of TERRORIST EVIL SHOOT THE EVIL
Also funny enough there's another top comment in this section that complains the problem is people putting their life experiences in the writing whereas you agree good writing comes from sincere life experiences not from just making a character that's ironic for irony's sake or literally just a series of quips put together
Indeed. But it's not only that they lack personal experience and therefore just reference the media they consume. Because another part of the problem is the media they consume. These writers are not searching for non fiction books, they are not looking for stories that challenge their worldview, they are not looking for novels written by third world authors. They just read whatever authority have told them it's good. They will cite and apply Terry Pratchett's writing philosophy not because they agree with it but because they think it's good and as good writers they must do what good writers do like joss whedon does. Same as Ryan Johnson when it appears that he writes subversions because only good writers do subversions.
The problem with writers in modern gaming, movies and comics is this: the writers have never really lived. Most of them got hired straight out of college and only conversed with people in their own social circle both off the internet and on it. They never really struggled in life, they never explored new territory on their own. They never grew up.
I was born and i still live in a third world country and it actually inspire me to make stories.
You nailed it
Lmao first world people talking about struggle
Exactly. It's all just friend humor internet culture.
yeah it rlly seems like a bunch of sheltered golden boys just decided to become “writers” for whatever reason.
I first grew aware of millenial writing in the newer Tomb Raider games. Lara Croft suddenly was swearing regularly at the most minute of inconvenience, when in past games she always acted like a classy British lady. I kept seeing complaints about how new Lara was 'Americanized'. Now it all makes sense.
man classy British lady protagonist sounds far better than the generic protagonist whose vocabulary only involves "fuck"
It's like the humor from the 2000s but threatening and passive agressive
it's like the humor from the 2000s but worse in every way and not funny at all
Culture, especially in the US, pretty much flatlined in the mid 2000s. For close to 20 years now, music, fashion and "Most" Comedy has either stagnated or is so bereft of any originality, its cringeworthy. In my opinion anyways...
@@kevinkusman9137 Idk. I was in my early teens in the mid 2000's and I would say it was still a pretty fun time to be alive. Personally, I feel like the 2010's (but specifically from 2012 onwards) is when everything went to sh!t. That's when the popular fashion, music, movies, games, etc, started feeling completely alien to me. The late 2010's were especially bad. It was to the point where nothing even felt real to me anymore.
Hopefully the humor in 20 years from now will just be threatening. Which is pretty funny. It's like the IP address meme thing but on steroids
@@dongorleone8322 cry about it or something lmfao
I swear to god all of this can be traced back to the tumblr exodus during the mid-late 2010's, it feels like since all the horrible writers and cringy, aggressive, condescending and overly political people of tumblr left and infested the rest of the internet, this kind of stuff has become really commonplace.
And now because it's spread so far more people began to adopt the same mannerisms. This stuff used to be ripped on in like 2014-2015 because it was so awful, I remember! it was actively mocked because it was just CRINGE. But now it's become commonplace and inescapable. It's tragic
Exactly, People used to make fun of these people for a good reason. Now look at the state of everything since they have gotten power over the internet. The quality of everything has gone down and people just want to lie and say that it hasn't
Nowadays making fun of those types of people is seen as "cringe" When they deserve it for the hypocritical and horrible things they want to do. its tragic to see almost every youtuber who used to stand against this shit suddenly change and promote the ideology of the people who they used to make fun of. They say its "maturity" But their is nothing mature about being a professional victim and treating everyone around you like shit.
I'm convinced the porn ban and resulting Tumblr exodus was done for the express purpose of spreading that hivemind across the internet. Looking back now it felt way too calculated of an event. 5 years ago nobody except the most echo chambered and terminally online weirdos cared about pronouns. Now it's suddenly mainstream to the point where people have their lives ruined for not getting some manchild's made up gender identity correct? When NOBODY gave a crap about this sort of thing in human history before? Nah, something is up
@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778it certainly doesn’t help that a lot of the people calling each other out are functionally the same, as in: equally full of it in their own way.
Just like the "revolutionary" boomer hippies have gotten into managerial positions of every aspect of our society after them done being edgy. Their losers kids, the millennials, now have to take the baton.
I believe tumblr is also where the whole MAP/NoMAP bullshit started where a bunch of p3dos started forming communities and gave themselves a new branding to appear harmless and sane
When I was like 11 or 12 I would write like this. I compare my old writings sometimes and feel like I have achieved so much and improved by leaps and bounds. Then I look at Borderlands 3 and ask myself "How in the hell haven't they grown up?"
writing a character - ONE character to be annoying piece of shit like that is ok when the character either dies in a long and painful way or witnesses his life being absolutely destroyed forcing him to grow the fuck up.
I look at my Kingdom Hearts fan fiction with cringe, but it inspired me to write my own work. Then I started noticing I don't have any connection of difference in my characters. I felt as though I was speaking through them without them being themselves. It feels like there are those who did what I did and go, "Yeah, but what can I do to make this MY IDEAL WORLD?"
I'm not even good at writing but the state of modern pop culture is making me feel confident in my abilities
@@YoshiTheOreo Even knowing that this is a problem, I've still struggled with it for years. It's partly just that I have been refusing to actually create characters who are different from me, but partly because I'm worried that if a character does something that I wouldn't do (or at least that I wouldn't do IN MY OWN MIND with perfect foreknowledge and hindsight) then I'm creating a caricature, someone who does stupid things completely illogically.
@@Selrisitai The solution I found that helps is roleplay the character(s) in their scenarios. Kind of like playing DnD with yourself. Second, a character Bible really helps ground each character to their traits and not yours. After doing that, it helps keep my personal speech patterns and ideas from entering the character and maintain their unique identities and traits.
Big Bang Theory writing
"Not because they have anything to say, but because they think they have to say something". That's absolutely a perfect response about politics in games because a majority of the time it feels forced and you can see right through it.
It's the check box nature of things now. We got the black guy, check! And the asian woman, check! The gay character, check!
“wise man talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.” -Plato
@@cmdrfunk Don’t forget that all of them are stereotypical and only represent a small part of the group
The only time politics work in fiction is when it doesn't promote a sole party or ideology, but rather observes passively and allows the viewer/reader/player to make their own choices and develop their own thoughts.
I forget who it was who said it, but the quote "Nerd culture becoming mainstream has had disastrous consequences on western society" has stuck with me for a while
Fax.
Nerd and punk have been appropriated by bullies and bootlickers.
Turns out things were better when nerds were losers, and I say that to my own detriment
I remember the days when nerds and anime fans were bullied relentlessly, and I yearn for the day we can go back. And I say this as someone who really used to be into anime and was a social outcast, maybe that’s just me being a masochist though.
@@therealspeedwagon1451 I'm more of a hipster and hate seeing things I felt like was niche become popular
Gen Z here. Im so sick of irony poisoning literally every piece of media.
Wish writers could be sincere even if its high concept or absurd
stay in school kid
could be in his late 20s@@MGrey-qb5xz
@@MGrey-qb5xzeven the youngest zoomers are in their mid-teens now, so I'd assume he is in his 20s.
@@dejanjakobovic9803 Youngest Zoomers have between 9-12 years old
@@TakonumeroII 2012 was 12 years ago as of writing this reply. Gen Alpha started in 2010. This makes the youngest Zoomers around 14-15 years old.
Millennial writing strikes again with Dragon Age lmao
"Get this .... shes a woman but shes TOUGH and she SWEARS all the time 😌😌😌"
I enjoyed High on Life. I thought the gameplay was fun but the writing got really old, really quick. I would actively avoid using Sweezy, the vulgar woman gun, because she was so over-the-top crass and swearing nonstop. That really isn't funny or endearing if you're not being self-aware about it. I don't mind swearing in the proper context, but it reminds me of middle school when I think someone is cursing just to look cool or tough.
Yeah, I think the issue is while it would have been subversive, say, twenty years ago, now it's so common that it's bland, tiring, and uninspired. The subversion has become the norm.
@@Crime_Mime and the people doing it still think they’re being smart and subversion, somehow
My peanut sized mind = *Blown*
bravo vince, hire this guy to write on all of our productions
I hate self-aware jokes, I hate meta jokes, I hate games based on LA culture, I hate modern social commentary.
My main takeaway from this: I hate millennial writing.
I-I... yikes, you sweet summer child there's a lot to unpack here. Who hurt you baby?
i hate it as well, thats why i dont watch any current shows on tv nor have i for years....but its also in commercials and music channels and that makes it even worse....
Meta jokes aren't bad it's just people forget the "subvert expectations" part of comedy like if u took 2 seconds to think of what the punchline is then you've figured it out it's only good when done properly... Shame it never is
GTA San Andreas and IV were great though
I don't hate this types of jokes normaly, Animaniacs(the original show) has all of this yet its Still Just as funny as silent cartoons.
"I've told you before: the Idols are trying to build a post-capitalist society where money is not a concept."
*I AM SUPPOSED TO BE A GANGSTER FUCKING PEOPLE UP FOR MONEY AND BUYING HILARIOUSLY IMPRACTICAL CLOTHING WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THIS SERIES?*
the end result of liberalism is always an oligopoly. Liberalism is self defeating, it erradicates itself once the monopolies can form cartels and manipulate the free market. Right now the oligarchs are so succesful they can do social engineering and make a system much like the soviet technocracy but through international private conglomerates. In the most ironic twist libertarians are defending private companies right to exercise censorship and deplatforming while the state is the one who still guarantess in the constitution the right to free speech.
No common sense, no self awareness, and a sense of virtue that is falsely clouding morality. Yep that's a red flag.
@realProVail funny enough your comment is the same millennial writing this video talks about. " Yup that's a red flag" is that condescending sarcastic language he's talking about. And "red flag" is one of those terms that's picked up popularity on sites like reddit in recent years.
@@pennyprince you can't just make zingers off-limits because some people use them shittily
Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy and its consequences has been a disaster for media.
Bruh this explains why i liked Smiling Friends a lot, it's dark and sometimes pretty creepy but also weirdly optimistic, the characters talk a lot but in an actually convincing way, like each other, and are actually trying their best to be nice or at least polite, and everyone has an actual design and not the same damn haircut.
Zach Hadel, one of the creators, is an old breed of liberal. The ones who actually hate or just make fun of the new generation of the left.
He's also very edgy and just funny, having his humor inspired mainly by Norm McDonald.
You were so close but you just had to use "bruh," which is another extremely obnoxious millennial "word." But yes, Michael Cusack and Zach Hadel are fantastic at making anti-millennial humor
@@RavenStation711 kool
@@Strato_Casterrr9898 He's also a jew, so he strangely has a fascination with collecting memorabilia from the third reich
@@pieterwillembotha6719 he's not a jew lmao, I think you are referring to Tomar. There's a running gag in oneyplays that they make references to tomar being a jew, in an edgy but ultimately harmless way.
I knew I wasn't the only one who gets annoyed by this "twitter speak" I rarely ever hear people complain about how obnoxious it is, or even point it out, so it's good to hear it coming from somebody else. I'm not even much of a gamer, but I know these types infest many drawing/ art communities, which sucks for me.
I think "twitter speak" and "Millennial Writing" has been very much been something people are talking about a lot, it's just that the term people use for it is called "Marvel humor/writing".
Um, yikes sweetie. Baby I literally cant believe you said this. On god fr
"Twitter speak" is just aave. If you know what this is and hate on it, then your racism is showing. Yall dont know because you prolly dont hear it irl, so its whatever.
@@lawfulgoodnun1646 What are you talking about? AAVE and twitter speak are two whole different things. Did we watch the same video, did we see the exact same example of tweets the video presents? Because from the tweets the video shows, that was not AAVE. How can you conflate the two?
@@taddonddat2217 im not not talking about the examples in the video specifically, those arent aave. However most people who complain about "twitter speak" are really just talking about aave specifically since thats the most prevelant dialect in the context of twitter.
Like the the guy above my first comment is literally mocking aave.
The problem is that most writers today are terminally online twitteroids, who don't know anything about the real world
We can thank diversity hiring for that
Twitter is a part of the real world. Living unplugged is a different kind of being oblivious by choice.
its the same in pro wrestling..the hardcores would rather have a 30min match with no story,no interviews,no build and no commentary....just 2 guys doing acrobatic moves all the time...
They know to much more like.
@@yavvivvay my mom lives "unplugged" and she lives well.
If vivziepop wrote borderland
God I despise her content.
If vivziepop wrote borderlands3 itS STILL would be better than that shit that we got