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  • @stupidbot5565
    @stupidbot5565 3 роки тому +3008

    Dude got literally hated by a community *BIGGER* than him for telling the truth, thats a hero in my book.

  • @mozz6790
    @mozz6790 3 роки тому +3785

    Jawsh is the last person I’d expect in a Twitter Vs. title

  • @callanagain3087
    @callanagain3087 3 роки тому +1754

    I can't believe Dream had the chance of just saying, "Being a fan of a content creator is fine but obsessing over then can be harmful" but he decided he wanted to sent the mob at Jawsh

    • @thebiggestbruhmoments69
      @thebiggestbruhmoments69 3 роки тому +198

      Money will convince most people

    • @mikebuston7407
      @mikebuston7407 3 роки тому +48

      Yeah, and if anyone would tries to fight back
      The mob will be the only thing will drag them down

    • @stark8363
      @stark8363 3 роки тому +138

      @FayalZaro yeah he played the algorithm to a tea. He knew how to get himself out there and plays his cards right. Tbh his content is very good it's just the fact the content is only good because he needs other people in it

    • @unthawing1508
      @unthawing1508 3 роки тому +86

      @FayalZaro Honestly tho, he's not making any effort to try and get a grip on his community because the *insane* stans probably make up for a third of of his fanbase.

    • @callanagain3087
      @callanagain3087 3 роки тому +22

      @FayalZaro I honestly don't think Dream is a bad guy or a villain. I think he just doesn't know how to approach this.

  • @emi9337
    @emi9337 3 роки тому +2265

    Jawshalt: stans attack like a hive mind
    Dream: you are an idiot
    *proceeds to command his stans to attacks as a hive mind.

    • @imaginenottrue2146
      @imaginenottrue2146 3 роки тому +128

      Lol the only reason dream and his friends defend stans is bc they gwt money of them.

    • @Gilbert3313
      @Gilbert3313 3 роки тому +39

      @@imaginenottrue2146 I mean he does say at the start “Only A SmAll PErceNT Of VEiWers aRe SubBed”

    • @poffydaisy5134
      @poffydaisy5134 3 роки тому +23

      @@imaginenottrue2146 SOOO TRUE, I literally cant blame Dream about this. If I were to get THAT much of money off of stans I'd defend them too lmao

    • @myusernameissolonglolimgon8700
      @myusernameissolonglolimgon8700 3 роки тому +35

      This is why I do not like dream anymore.
      Dream now only cares about his money, and when jawsh literally had facts, dream called him an idiot for calling out the stans which are the ones who make him money.
      Dream needs to realize that the stans they are defending are the exact same stans that attack people for disliking someone, which clearly is not right.
      Dream is calling someone an idiot for speaking facts. If anything, dream is the idiot here to be honest. His content is epic but the way dream acts when he is mad, just...

    • @cantmakeacreativename2072
      @cantmakeacreativename2072 3 роки тому +4

      @@myusernameissolonglolimgon8700
      Well, Dreams video about stans shows that he’s defending stans, but not THOSE stans. It seems like he was referring to the part of his fanbase that are cool and chill, even more so in a tweet I think he mentioned that toxicity is always going to exist in a community, and that toxicity is going to only be seen if people look for it.
      All of this kinda just shows that Dream more so believes that the toxic fans in his community are a lot smaller then people think and aren’t really that important to address. (Especially since a large majority of them are kids).
      And while he’s sort of correct with that statement, as Dream stans are a lot less prominent in the fanbase then people think they are but it’s still irresponsible. Combine that with his weird way of responding to things and then you got a lot of problems. His personal definition of stans doesn’t help either.
      Dreams just REALLY irresponsible with controlling his fanbase. That of course isn’t an excuse to attack someone but at least he’s not doing it to appease the toxic kids.

  • @exonub5335
    @exonub5335 3 роки тому +749

    Don’t let this distract you from the fact that dream’s stans harassed addison rae because he sent her merch early so they took that personally

    • @gigicatkinz
      @gigicatkinz 3 роки тому +19

      PLEASE do your research and know who you are talking about before you talk about them. Those who were doing that kind of garbage to poor Addison Rae were NOT within our Twitter community, they were from Tiktok. Not all Tiktok stans are bad but unfortunately those who were attacking Rae just for interacting with Dream were. We as stans are not one unit, we are not a hive mind, we are all each individuals who have come together to share a similar interest. It's that simple. The majority of us are truly kind and considerate, we simply just want to mind our business and stay in our lane, but we have literal grown men coming for our throats on the daily and calling us vile things when we weren't even the ones to strike the first blow. We are allowed and entitled to defend our community, our circles of friends we have made via Dream's content, and the place that feels like family and home to us when we are slandered like this. I don't care if old men hate us or can't stand that we have a healthy general bonded relationship with our cc. I know who we are, I know we are kind. I know we have stood together for months through thick and thin and have loved each other with genuine friendship, and Dream has always been such a great leader and role model to fuel that.

    • @exonub5335
      @exonub5335 3 роки тому +215

      @@gigicatkinz so, what? are there different breeds of stand depending on what platform you’re on? I can kinda see that but they’re all the same to me. I do think that the literal grown men in the video going crazy over teens being a little crazy about their favorite creator is kinda dumb but when the vocal minority of stans are stupid and try to cancel someone over something as small as getting merch from the guy, I’m gonna just assume like 80% of the stand are cancer. Especially since every time Dream’s fan base is brought up, it’s them doing another ridiculous thing. I know not all stans are bad but a LOT of them are.

    • @Triple_Affirmative
      @Triple_Affirmative 3 роки тому +120

      @@gigicatkinz typing out paragraphs in response to a small sentence about dream stans
      yikes

    • @slowclapswellwellwell6423
      @slowclapswellwellwell6423 3 роки тому +104

      @@gigicatkinz Clearly, Dream has not been a good role model if he doesn't hold back his dogs when they do something bad. If you truly aren't an obsessive and overbearing fan of his, then you probably aren't a stan. There's a difference between a stan and a fan, you know. Something tells me you are part of the stan culture that Jawsh talks about, though. The whole bit at the end of your paragraph there sounded very cultish.

    • @CurtisD01
      @CurtisD01 3 роки тому +18

      @@gigicatkinz shut up

  • @davidsuh4002
    @davidsuh4002 3 роки тому +636

    “Stan” isn’t a badge of honor and these people wear it proudly which is sad

  • @sci_pain3409
    @sci_pain3409 3 роки тому +5967

    jawsh’s mistake was trying to reason with people on twitter

    • @mustafaamin9516
      @mustafaamin9516 3 роки тому +507

      You are absolutely right. Twitter in my opinion is one of the worst platforms in existence. It’s an echo chamber of idiocy where people go to jerk each other off.

    • @Plymouth_Belvedere
      @Plymouth_Belvedere 3 роки тому +217

      @@mustafaamin9516 sounds like reddit aswell

    • @entruh4520
      @entruh4520 3 роки тому +72

      @@Plymouth_Belvedere mostly twitter

    • @cadentannery4626
      @cadentannery4626 3 роки тому +155

      @@Plymouth_Belvedere reddit is slightly better

    • @guoc11
      @guoc11 3 роки тому +173

      @@Plymouth_Belvedere you can at least have fun with the toxic/idiot people on reddit since there are not many toxic people compared to twitter. I just love people randomly insulting me with no arguments at all. But in twitter there are so many toxic/dumb people that it gets overwhelming. You just make fun of one of them a thousand of them start sending death threats

  • @alecschmidt277
    @alecschmidt277 3 роки тому +528

    This is why the Minecraft community loves josh because hes calling out the stans

    • @ac42o77
      @ac42o77 3 роки тому +66

      Most of the newer Minecraft community sides with dream and his stans sadly

    • @youraveragegamer8832
      @youraveragegamer8832 3 роки тому +68

      @@ac42o77 Most of the newer minecraft community are like 12

    • @ac42o77
      @ac42o77 3 роки тому +8

      @@youraveragegamer8832 it is a "kids game"

    • @ismaelfrometa4066
      @ismaelfrometa4066 3 роки тому +45

      @@youraveragegamer8832 You have a point but id argue most are 14 year old girls. I remember the times when 99% of minecrafters were just socially awkward boys like me lol.

    • @perdasche
      @perdasche 3 роки тому

      @@ismaelfrometa4066 i doubt it was 99%,,

  • @somenerd7046
    @somenerd7046 3 роки тому +2989

    I think its ridiculous that people are trying to cancel Jawsh for calling stans toxic. Like its absolutely ridiculous.

    • @realtitedog
      @realtitedog 3 роки тому +216

      I agree. Stans are annoying, cringy, and make garbage content. Its an unhealthy obsession with an online personality.

    • @feetcoveredincheetosdust8029
      @feetcoveredincheetosdust8029 3 роки тому +159

      Proving his point but those people don't see irony

    • @iargoni2080
      @iargoni2080 3 роки тому +127

      Dream’s stans were literally proving his point too. Like they all went after him immediately

    • @Selfie_Contempt
      @Selfie_Contempt 3 роки тому +64

      Cancel culture is a manipulative tactic meant to silence people for having negative/unpopular opinions.

    • @itsquiet379
      @itsquiet379 3 роки тому +13

      Them canceling him proves his point

  • @9srogue
    @9srogue 3 роки тому +5628

    Let’s be honest, his point was proven pretty quickly

    • @ronniewhitedx
      @ronniewhitedx 3 роки тому +393

      It's crazy how Twitter does that sometimes.

    • @rahulkanara7792
      @rahulkanara7792 3 роки тому +168

      Yea it’s almost funny

    • @ronniewhitedx
      @ronniewhitedx 3 роки тому +186

      I watched the movie Idiocracy less as a comedy and more as a prophecy

    • @teak6706
      @teak6706 3 роки тому +7

      Yha soo fuken fast

    • @aicai.
      @aicai. 3 роки тому +229

      @@ronniewhitedx dream himself with his massive ego going to his way to proof Jawsh's point and then going all damage control and tries his hardest to manipulate his stans once more with "racism" and redefining the meaning of "Stan"

  • @okayemjay8014
    @okayemjay8014 3 роки тому +207

    -calls stans toxic.
    -recieves toxicity by stans denying their own toxicity.

    • @iqozoid
      @iqozoid 3 роки тому +1

      Trueeee

    • @sqootz9157
      @sqootz9157 3 роки тому +3

      jawshalt saying evil like mermaid man tho sorry had to point it out

    • @okayemjay8014
      @okayemjay8014 3 роки тому

      @@sqootz9157 Yeah lmao, he was kind of excessive.

    • @sqootz9157
      @sqootz9157 3 роки тому +1

      @@okayemjay8014 like these are teenage girls he is talking about i agree on some extent but he's saying it like the final boss in video game

    • @FartCity-WorldDomination
      @FartCity-WorldDomination 3 роки тому

      SKEETAH dude his definition of evil is on point with gods definition of evil. Our flawed ways Thinking that evil can be reserved for certain things we deem to be not as bad shows how low our standards are for evil. Evil is generalized as “something bad”. And stans aren’t necessarily a good thing indolizing man over god. Idolatry is the most easiest sin to commit sadly. HUGELY easy. Dude is telling the truth, even if he be talking like a religious dude.

  • @Penultimeat
    @Penultimeat 3 роки тому +533

    Holy shit Dream’s voice message tweet comes off as so incredibly manipulative.
    “I know you guys have felt attacked and rightfully criticized for your collective actions lately so here are some empty platitudes to make you feel better about yourself and me.”

    • @m.a.a9794
      @m.a.a9794 3 роки тому +49

      ( he sounds like the political villains in stories )

    • @layonyatsu7203
      @layonyatsu7203 3 роки тому +10

      this is a good story concept for a book mate

    • @pickling2787
      @pickling2787 3 роки тому +24

      Mentioning individuals of color was an obvious manipulative bait tactic by a hack. A man who props up a parasocial culture that is furthered not by real meaningful interaction between people, but by faces on the internet in a way that no real human connection is made, just names on a screen.

    • @maltepalutke1063
      @maltepalutke1063 3 роки тому +5

      And like through this whole thing poc havent been mentioned once.
      It just feels like massive pondering

    • @grassi_
      @grassi_ 3 роки тому +3

      Okay, so the creator of this video made a pinned comment addressing this, but it was randomly unpinned.
      The voice memo had nothing to do with the situation at all. The creator merely mistook it and added it into the video

  • @crisredfield2
    @crisredfield2 3 роки тому +541

    All the "Dream has 1000 IQ" jokes got over his head real quickly. More proof that social media is poisonous to the mental health of a normal human.

    • @myeyesfeellikecrap3510
      @myeyesfeellikecrap3510 3 роки тому +23

      To an extent that is true

    • @hsgame4088
      @hsgame4088 3 роки тому +18

      So true that he uses the 1000 IQ in a thread.
      Notice the way Josh formulates his points and dream,even at face value they are polar opposites

    • @verycool5251
      @verycool5251 3 роки тому +71

      Yea I feel like his ego has gotten a bit big. I think you could see this in his “there I noticed you” reply tweet or something. It’s like he thinks the world is in love with him. It just made me cringe

    • @hsgame4088
      @hsgame4088 3 роки тому +5

      @@verycool5251 truee

    • @neversafefromwaluigi8853
      @neversafefromwaluigi8853 3 роки тому +25

      @@verycool5251 I find the funny thing is, he's a nobody. Nobody actually cares about him, they just use him for content. Does he actually think people care about him over his content?

  • @CronoDyne
    @CronoDyne 3 роки тому +1651

    Back in my day, we didn't call them "stans." We called them stalkers.

    • @DrinzenDrawz
      @DrinzenDrawz 3 роки тому +126

      That's literally what stan means, stalker - fan. It's idiotic that the people that fall into this group can't accept it and tries to change the definition into superfan instead

    • @amirolonz
      @amirolonz 3 роки тому +42

      Back in my day, I thought that "stans" are referring to Stan Lee

    • @Sean-fu3mn
      @Sean-fu3mn 3 роки тому +27

      @@DrinzenDrawz I thought it was a reference to Stan the song by Eminem? Or was that who coined the stalker-fan combo? Either way, it’s hilarious that they chose these examples to label themselves and then get upset when someone points out it’s not healthy😂 Stan, in the song, literally looks mentally insane. No comment on todays ‘stans’ but, food for thought nonetheless.

    • @aaadaa4728
      @aaadaa4728 3 роки тому +1

      @@Sean-fu3mn it is

    • @chillingchill6823
      @chillingchill6823 3 роки тому +7

      @@DrinzenDrawz superfan and fan are generally the same shit different name, Stan is stalker fan through and through

  • @milkmyshak3
    @milkmyshak3 3 роки тому +741

    Out of all the twitter dramas never thought Jawsh would get one. Then again it's Twitter.

    • @yuckcrae
      @yuckcrae 3 роки тому +37

      im so sad he is. i hate that him of all people is forced to say this.

    • @crackerjack2405
      @crackerjack2405 3 роки тому +7

      Twitter will get you no matter what

    • @loathy4528
      @loathy4528 3 роки тому +31

      The guy is very strong Minded and has his foot down on his views. Dude wasn't trying to start anything but just ended up being part of Dream being a pussy.

    • @RyGoofies
      @RyGoofies 3 роки тому

      Same. I am shocked HE of all people were.

    • @angelquinones9913
      @angelquinones9913 3 роки тому +1

      @@yuckcrae Wdym. Your sentence is all over the place im confused lmao

  • @ethanr8185
    @ethanr8185 3 роки тому +1303

    jawsh: stans bad
    dream: no
    jawsh: yes
    dream: I hate racism

    • @Lemonburied
      @Lemonburied 3 роки тому +27

      Nonononono the person who made this video messed up info and put that in when it had NOTHING to do with the drama he said it in a pinned comment but the comment unpinned

    • @ethanr8185
      @ethanr8185 3 роки тому +16

      @@Lemonburied ah ok that makes sense

    • @Lemonburied
      @Lemonburied 3 роки тому +5

      @@ethanr8185 yeah :,) I’m kinda mad the creator of this video didn’t edit it out or repin the comment it’s kinda wrong of him

    • @wigglyworm6645
      @wigglyworm6645 3 роки тому +38

      @@Lemonburied stan

    • @Lemonburied
      @Lemonburied 3 роки тому +6

      @@wigglyworm6645 no but go off I guess

  • @bruhify
    @bruhify 3 роки тому +7842

    dream stans are another reason why 2020 is trash

  • @bestdadakasongoku4157
    @bestdadakasongoku4157 3 роки тому +1496

    Pretty sure Eminem’s intentions with the word “stan”, which he popularized if not outright created, was not to give his fanbase a name. No the song is about an insane person obsessed with his life and the song is about his struggle on how to handle fans like that. So it’s ironic that people are calling themselves stans

    • @msgpatient7850
      @msgpatient7850 3 роки тому +234

      Dream trying to make stan seemed positive is pretty cringe.

    • @m1ddl3man
      @m1ddl3man 3 роки тому +122

      He's trying to make stans seem positive even though the definition of stan is "an overzealous or obsessive fan of a particular celebrity."

    • @Miqzz
      @Miqzz 3 роки тому +62

      Yeah exactly, the wild part is that this dude is acting like being a stan is a positive thing when it's everything but

    • @kankeydong2500
      @kankeydong2500 3 роки тому +46

      Yall remember when anime fans unironically prefered to call themselves "otakus"? Despite the fact thay the word of origin is actually derigatory.

    • @The_Mosk
      @The_Mosk 3 роки тому +3

      Yes that

  • @tarotsushima3332
    @tarotsushima3332 3 роки тому +1273

    Here's a hard pill to swallow: Don't publicly call yourself a stan and still get upset when you get lumped in with the bad apples. Naming yourself a fan doesn't mean you care any less about the creator or source material.

    • @CrystalDoggoIsMissing
      @CrystalDoggoIsMissing 3 роки тому +27

      100% accurate

    • @guoc11
      @guoc11 3 роки тому +98

      the problem about those fans that call themselves stans is the definiton of the word stan. The true meaning of 'stan' is stalker fan. but they think the definition is super fan. I think thats why they call themselves stans. I mean or else you are just calling yourself a creep and who would do that?

    • @Zach-bj6ci
      @Zach-bj6ci 3 роки тому +23

      ​@@guoc11 tbh I lost all hope for everyone getting back on the same definition for "stan". We need to make a new term for toxic fans.

    • @tarotsushima3332
      @tarotsushima3332 3 роки тому +6

      @@guoc11 That is unfortunately true, but now with the fact that the word stan won't lose its negative connotations any time soon, it's best to let it go.

    • @captaincrash9002
      @captaincrash9002 3 роки тому +36

      @@Zach-bj6ci if you think stan stands for "super fan" you are by nature a toxic fan, so the definition still applies. If you think you are a better fan of someone than someone else, you are effectively gatekeeping. Which is toxic.

  • @darkpotato6577
    @darkpotato6577 3 роки тому +447

    “Just because you think you have 1000 IQ because you passed middle school” lmfao I think Dream is starting to actually believe that he has 1000 IQ and everyone else is not as smart

    • @commentingtoaster7539
      @commentingtoaster7539 3 роки тому +50

      Yeah, the guy wants everyone and everything in his life to stroke his ego.
      As soon as anyone is better than him at anything, or he gets called out on anything, he instantly loses his shit (his response to the whole cheating scandal), and has to resort to using childish insults (Jawsh and Geosquare), and even downright slander (look at how he treated Geosquare).

    • @siplezz6706
      @siplezz6706 3 роки тому +17

      he even used the never argue with an idiot quote, what a hypocrit

    • @hans-je3pz
      @hans-je3pz 3 роки тому

      Its middile shoor fuuck you

    • @howdypardner9629
      @howdypardner9629 3 роки тому +8

      @@hans-je3pz what

    • @arlainecarinugan3703
      @arlainecarinugan3703 3 роки тому

      He thinks he has 1000 iq from mc, then proceeds to type that quote about never arguing with an idiot. I'm done

  • @stevencipriano3504
    @stevencipriano3504 3 роки тому +876

    Dream is literally just talking about regular fans while Jawsh is talking about actual stans lmao why is this even an argument

    • @eudi6462
      @eudi6462 3 роки тому +169

      @ᓭד ̣ ᔑꖎ\ S T A L He knows what a stan is, he will refuse to address it because he profits so much off of them, he defends them to get their endorsements and money whether thru merch or just views and free advertisement (fancams, compilations,). In another 2 years there will be a new massive youtuber who rises up and everyone will forget about Dream.

    • @SketchingCookie
      @SketchingCookie 3 роки тому +72

      @ᓭד ̣ ᔑꖎ\ S T A L people are always like “But words change meaning” but that doesn’t stop the negative connotations the word Stan is known for. The origin of Stan means Stalker fan and a lot of people still view it that way.
      I agree it’s best to find another word to be known for, maybe as simple as going back to fan.

    • @gooselordbarry6341
      @gooselordbarry6341 3 роки тому +32

      I think dream wants to act like they dont exist to hope they go away, but it's making it worse because he doesn't recognize they exist or rarely call them out

    • @L33mtube
      @L33mtube 3 роки тому +2

      I was the 69th like
      nice.....

    • @SketchingCookie
      @SketchingCookie 3 роки тому +17

      @@gooselordbarry6341 I mean if he says something negatively about his fans they are gonna turn against him real quick. They always plead the mental health card and hyper fixation to excuse their actions. Sure some of them may actually have these problems but a self diagnoses doesn’t count.
      It happened to CallMeCarson a while back when he started blocking Stans who harassed the guy for his friends actions. It sucked

  • @Lushy2904
    @Lushy2904 3 роки тому +1896

    I find it funny that they proved his point...
    Jawsh: “The Stan community is toxic”
    The Stan Community: “No we’re not! Let’s harass this guy for being so rude! Make sure he doesn’t have a platform anymore!”
    Lmao
    Edit: Woah, I didn’t realise this comment had so many likes, 1.9k is the highest I’ve ever gotten on a comment. Thanks everyone :)

    • @elmuchacho8598
      @elmuchacho8598 3 роки тому +68

      Ironic isn’t it.he had the power to save others,but not himself.

    • @Potato-fb4wr
      @Potato-fb4wr 3 роки тому +31

      @@elmuchacho8598 is it possible to learn this power?

    • @RandomGravel
      @RandomGravel 3 роки тому +23

      @@Potato-fb4wr not from a stan

    • @woogwoogbargbarg501
      @woogwoogbargbarg501 3 роки тому

      @@Clikstan lets not use that as an insult

    • @themanbehindthebruhmoment502
      @themanbehindthebruhmoment502 3 роки тому +12

      @@Clikstan That's an insult to people with down syndrome.

  • @homeforgoblins
    @homeforgoblins 3 роки тому +1214

    I like how Carson is just kinda there talking about deez nuts while everyone is tearing each other apart in the twitter thread.

    • @josh25365
      @josh25365 3 роки тому +3

      ua-cam.com/video/4v8ek9TEeOU/v-deo.html

    • @Evan.280
      @Evan.280 3 роки тому +59

      Is Carson crying about getting cheated on again for telling everyone?

    • @ibrahimabdullahi3077
      @ibrahimabdullahi3077 3 роки тому +27

      @@Evan.280 lmao that shit will haunt him forever

    • @ok2298
      @ok2298 3 роки тому +39

      @@ibrahimabdullahi3077 and it's hilarious how schlatt always bashes him for it 💀 (as a joke they're friends)

    • @zenothecubone2022
      @zenothecubone2022 3 роки тому +42

      He's just that one guy that is just chilling and telling jokes while behind him, a war is going om

  • @colegilley3178
    @colegilley3178 3 роки тому +427

    dreams voice message was literally him just trying to get everyone on his side and was pretty ridiculous

    • @christiangarvey9406
      @christiangarvey9406 3 роки тому +32

      exactly. What he said had nothing to do with the conversation it was just to get people to think he is kindhearted

    • @imaperson8284
      @imaperson8284 3 роки тому +11

      Cole Gilley he actually posted that voice message in support of BLM, which is why he said “people of color” instead of all stans.

    • @DeedooElNinoPolla
      @DeedooElNinoPolla 3 роки тому +3

      Yeah I'm pretty sure the person making the video mistook that voice note as part of this situation but it was about something else

    • @itsneph548
      @itsneph548 3 роки тому +6

      Mans started bringing up people of color and I was like wtf where did this come from?

    • @metalgearzwei
      @metalgearzwei 3 роки тому +1

      tbf it WAS about something else, but of course dream is looking to make his image better after insulting and refusing to be normal with jawsh

  • @Odyssey_Central
    @Odyssey_Central 3 роки тому +1309

    I’m genuinely pissed off by how Dream responded in this situation. He had the opportunity to make a huge and positive change in the whole youtube community but he went with the route that would bring him profit. I genuinely lost all of my respect for dream after his manipulation of his fans and support of toxicity. Thanks to Jawsh for calling out this toxic behavior. Also that video at the end is genuinely THE most manipulative thing I’ve ever seen

    • @Ppman
      @Ppman 3 роки тому +137

      He’s very money and power hungry, I’ve lost all respect for him

    • @spiral_tap
      @spiral_tap 3 роки тому +12

      big facts bro

    • @ihavenolife6839
      @ihavenolife6839 3 роки тому +55

      never watched much of him prefer tecno

    • @seriyothematch
      @seriyothematch 3 роки тому +16

      Yeah I did too it’s really fucking sad man

    • @trashythedemon4867
      @trashythedemon4867 3 роки тому +15

      @@Ppman i agree with every word in that statement

  • @natsan1822
    @natsan1822 3 роки тому +360

    That dream voiceclip at the end just sounds like he is desperately trying to appeal to his fans and it feels kinda weird

    • @itspizzabox
      @itspizzabox 3 роки тому +4

      facts

    • @SketchingCookie
      @SketchingCookie 3 роки тому +66

      I mean he has to keep his fanbase together or he won’t have a large audience. He can’t say anything negative about them or they will automatically go against the guy.

    • @Jest_r13
      @Jest_r13 3 роки тому +44

      That’s the exact thing that I thought when o heard that, it made me think he was trying to say “please come back to my side”

    • @SketchingCookie
      @SketchingCookie 3 роки тому +7

      @@Jest_r13 he’s gotta sell those Dream face tumblrs man, gotta keep the audience happy no matter what.

    • @Ppman
      @Ppman 3 роки тому +48

      And you know damn well they’ll fall for it, too. He spent the rest of the day using some black guy who died to make people believe that he’s a good guy, telling people to donate, etc. Sickening stuff. The guy just fucking died and you’re using him as a tool to make you look good. I thought black lives were supposed to matter

  • @Retr0_Blues
    @Retr0_Blues 3 роки тому +1049

    *"why are you booing me , I'm right"*
    Seriously tho I agree with him on almost everything , I'm surprised he called out the creators too for fostering this obsessive behaviour in fear of then pushing fans away , nobody on twitter is ready to face reality so it makes sense that he faced a lot of backlash

    • @Eifion
      @Eifion 3 роки тому +56

      I blame tumblr dying for all this

    • @flamersshowsandmore3864
      @flamersshowsandmore3864 3 роки тому +51

      @@Eifion modern twitter is a mix of tumblr, reddit and 4chan

    • @kinmakin2180
      @kinmakin2180 3 роки тому +40

      @@Eifion all the tumblerinas migrated to twitter after the last website they ruined finally collapsed. And it has brought us this shit :\

    • @biospark4758
      @biospark4758 3 роки тому +15

      @@Eifion I think part of it is that Jawsh is in college (at least he was last I heard), so he isn’t necessarily banking on making UA-cam/streaming his full time job. Therefore, he probably isn’t afraid of being cancelled for spitting fax

    • @hamad1o121
      @hamad1o121 3 роки тому +4

      @@Eifion yea tumbler was like a cage for them then it opened and here we are

  • @joemana8142
    @joemana8142 3 роки тому +180

    This controversy is the perfect example of that meme that says: "They hated jesus cause he told the truth"

    • @deadmeme1763
      @deadmeme1763 3 роки тому +21

      or “Why are you booing me? I’m right!”

    • @TheWither129
      @TheWither129 3 роки тому +8

      Jawsh is Jesus confirmed

    • @NeoMouseSVC
      @NeoMouseSVC 3 роки тому +3

      Very much so

  • @rdog657
    @rdog657 3 роки тому +806

    Remember when JSchlatt was “canceled” by Dream stans because he got kicked out of Dream’s server? These people are on the same level of KPop stans

    • @JaredTSM
      @JaredTSM 3 роки тому +122

      I swear. They ruined the mcyt community. Then as soon as over of their favorite youtubers came on the Raj, they polluted that community too. Even yesterday they attacked some person on tiktok because dream sent them a sweater.

    • @communistpotato3204
      @communistpotato3204 3 роки тому +34

      @@JaredTSM yep, a fucking sweater

    • @jawaad2286
      @jawaad2286 3 роки тому +44

      @@JaredTSM honestly, i see this as pure degeneracy, so many content creators are saying "let them be, they found a culture they like". What kind of culture is this shit, back in the day, people actually had some common sense and focused on theirselves instead of RICH social media artists who couldnt actually give a shit about them. At this point, i finna leave all of these shit social media platorms

    • @SketchingCookie
      @SketchingCookie 3 роки тому +47

      JSchlatt gets cancelled every couple days by the DreamSMP Stans and it never works.
      They even started putting content warnings on the guy because he “triggers” a lot of people. It’s pretty sad

    • @thyRyanGoslink
      @thyRyanGoslink 3 роки тому

      There worse...

  • @vengeful1695
    @vengeful1695 3 роки тому +191

    We gonna talk about the fact that Dream tried to replace the meaning of the term "Stan" with the meaning of the term "Fan"?

    • @saitama_stillchill6787
      @saitama_stillchill6787 3 роки тому +1

      @ᓭד ̣ ᔑꖎ\ S T A L i agree with you . But twomad isnt funny or as funny as jshlatt

    • @kinteyoi
      @kinteyoi 3 роки тому +1

      @@saitama_stillchill6787 twomad kinda.....yiges

    • @asun8148
      @asun8148 3 роки тому +1

      Whats up with twomad

    • @VenomhuskVideos
      @VenomhuskVideos 3 роки тому +1

      @@7vtia I think twomad in general is sometimes controversial with the things he says haha

    • @brazerozel8250
      @brazerozel8250 3 роки тому +1

      Stan means fucking obsessive fan. It comes from the eminem song and as u could see he isnt a stalker but an obsessive fan now can everyone stop being retarded lol. Josh is dumb and dosent have any stans and thats why he is crying and calling them *evil*

  • @Josh-wj7jj
    @Josh-wj7jj 3 роки тому +1853

    Ima put what Jawsh said here. The stans he was talking about were “stalker fans”. That’s the meaning of stan. Just because stans changed their meaning doesn’t mean the word changes for everyone else.

    • @Josh-wj7jj
      @Josh-wj7jj 3 роки тому +125

      @@reiianyt yes however stans was and is still being used in a negative light by most people and those associating as stans are only participating and encouraging that kind of culture.

    • @FroyourHistory
      @FroyourHistory 3 роки тому +149

      Never trust people who change the definitions of words.

    • @Josh-wj7jj
      @Josh-wj7jj 3 роки тому +20

      @@FroyourHistory no one has ever said something more true than that

    • @fantasia6098
      @fantasia6098 3 роки тому +1

      Doesn't it depend on the majority?

    • @youdarnweebsgetoffmylawn
      @youdarnweebsgetoffmylawn 3 роки тому +59

      @@Josh-wj7jj Except for Dream because apparently he thinks that having stans are a good thing. He constantly defends them and encourages their behavoir. He even tries to claim that his stans aren't the ones who make the cringe-worthy posts and that his haters do, to try and paint his stans as non-weirdos. Which, let's be real, that statement is far from the truth.

  • @FlashieBoi
    @FlashieBoi 3 роки тому +98

    Jawsh had 300+ languages to speak and he chose facts

  • @legojangofett857
    @legojangofett857 3 роки тому +299

    Jawsh: uses personal experiences to call Stand evil and toxic
    Stans: attack Jawsh and try to cancel him
    Stans not be intelligent enough to realize they’ve fallen for the trap

    • @ducknerddrake1497
      @ducknerddrake1497 3 роки тому +16

      @sokyu no You CAN group all stand together

    • @davepanpa4532
      @davepanpa4532 3 роки тому +11

      Dream also fell into the trap by sending the so called "stans"

    • @smartcranberry4441
      @smartcranberry4441 3 роки тому

      :) true but he just rounded up the people who are always up to this crap- not everyone:) smile

    • @Datareset
      @Datareset 3 роки тому +1

      oh holy shit I didn’t notice this

    • @ok-tr1nw
      @ok-tr1nw 3 роки тому

      ah yes the stand community

  • @nobrainer1330
    @nobrainer1330 3 роки тому +1394

    Love how it was mostly just Dream and his friends who tried to defend stans because that's their income lol

    • @kaysea04
      @kaysea04 3 роки тому +16

      wait a lil confused, they dont need stans to thrive right? they’d probably just have an inactive community, i;ve seen a couple of creators who have their viewers like this

    • @nobrainer1330
      @nobrainer1330 3 роки тому +175

      @@kaysea04 a community tends to be the majority of content creators views
      And in dreams case, his community is mostly stans. So if he runs off the stans his community will most likely only consist of the few good fans.

    • @jono_owa
      @jono_owa 3 роки тому +82

      Kinda like twitch thots defending simps

    • @fungal1554
      @fungal1554 3 роки тому +3

      true

    • @vali_bg5234
      @vali_bg5234 3 роки тому +5

      Wait a minute wasn't a stan a toxic entitled fan who attacks people their god disagrees with. And if this isn't the definition it should be.

  • @Cicosbruh
    @Cicosbruh 3 роки тому +871

    A sane human being: "Stans are toxic and should never be supported"
    Dream: "you're an idiot"
    Also dream when his stans harrassed a girl for buying his merch: "THAT WAS SO EMBARASSING"

    • @Cicosbruh
      @Cicosbruh 3 роки тому

      @@herokinglifeline wait what? really?

    • @lilywxjzu
      @lilywxjzu 3 роки тому +48

      i don’t think he realizes that most of his stans act like that; he focuses on the good parts, like how you can befriend people on stan twt etc., and not the bad parts. it’s obvious he has boundaries but he doesn’t talk about them so people do stuff like this. i hope he addresses this because i love dream lmao he just needs to set boundaries

    • @iamm3667
      @iamm3667 3 роки тому +36

      @@lilywxjzu I get what you are saying, but he knows how stans of his channel are acting. There are so many videos talking about dream and his stans, and he replies to most of them. If he really genuinely doesn’t know about this, he is not really watching videos criticizing him and his stans, or he is watching them and completely ignoring what they have to say. Either way he is ignoring the criticism which is a real big problem.

    • @lilywxjzu
      @lilywxjzu 3 роки тому +1

      @@iamm3667
      oh? i didn’t realize he’d made so many responses to people talking about his stans. i hope he talks about this and tries to improve. i would be so sad to see another one of my favorite creators get “cancelled” or something :(

    • @tchackdaw
      @tchackdaw 3 роки тому +9

      Seeing ccs defend stans, then scrolling through twitter to find like 5 examples of stans being shitty is actually hilarious

  • @Fyrestar
    @Fyrestar 3 роки тому +325

    Dream saying "I love you and care about you" to his stans is honestly kind of sickening. What that's doing, is giving stans a false sense of belonging as if they are in some way close to the content creator. All he's doing, is fuelling this unhealthy parasocial relationship. It's bait. How can dream love and care about people if the only thing he knows about them is that they enjoy watching him. That is manipulative, and egotistical.

    • @grassi_
      @grassi_ 3 роки тому +1

      ?? it was about the blm protests

    • @super3112
      @super3112 3 роки тому +4

      @@grassi_ true, but dream actually did something just like that last time.

    • @soupmix211
      @soupmix211 3 роки тому +6

      @@grassi_ he usually acts like a nice guy and does something during a tragedy when he's in drama. It still feels disingenuous

    • @orileio
      @orileio 3 роки тому +2

      @@soupmix211 coryxkenshin is better

    • @uncleshorts7948
      @uncleshorts7948 2 роки тому

      Facts

  • @nerofogg6585
    @nerofogg6585 3 роки тому +434

    I don't get it. Did people forget how ImAlex's stans acted when he was under fire or how Dreams stans react when something doesn't go according to their expectations? it's not a few toxic people, if anything it's a lot of toxic people.

    • @smartcranberry4441
      @smartcranberry4441 3 роки тому +18

      Sadly :( The toxic fans are very loud. Its surprising

    • @sunnynxtes
      @sunnynxtes 3 роки тому +27

      @@smartcranberry4441 remove "toxic fans" and replace it with stans

    • @smartcranberry4441
      @smartcranberry4441 3 роки тому

      @@sunnynxtes yeaaa ;__;

    • @blacknoir3476
      @blacknoir3476 3 роки тому

      yes it is ALOT.

    • @sunnynxtes
      @sunnynxtes 3 роки тому +13

      @Mya St Martin We are not talking about his FANBASE. We're talking about his STANBASE. Fans and stans are completely different things. Search them both up.

  • @Bowblax2
    @Bowblax2  3 роки тому +1476

    So the voice memo that Dream made at the end wasn't about the Stan drama. I thought it was, my bad.

    • @NixtySign
      @NixtySign 3 роки тому +89

      bro at least one of them finally got fed up with it, if only dream and his friends said no early on and tried to stop them this shit wouldnt happen.

    • @user-sb3nq8bn8w
      @user-sb3nq8bn8w 3 роки тому +105

      It okay 👍

    • @luciddixon8202
      @luciddixon8202 3 роки тому +107

      maybe clarify it was about blm? it’s alright but look into things more first next time bc it really portrays a bad image :,)

    • @TekxSt
      @TekxSt 3 роки тому +2

      Ok

    • @aedenzzz
      @aedenzzz 3 роки тому +11

      Lmao for a second there i was like 🤨

  • @assassintrashbag5215
    @assassintrashbag5215 3 роки тому +196

    Tbh the people who disagree with him in this video don’t seem to understand the difference between a Stan and a fan

    • @furkankoc5750
      @furkankoc5750 3 роки тому +1

      neither jawsh doesn't understand it too

    • @RM22201
      @RM22201 3 роки тому +35

      @@furkankoc5750 a fan is what dream gave as his definition of a Stan. A NORMAL fan is someone who has a interest in something, and connects to other people who feel the same over; over common interest. Stans are obsessive and gatekeep as well as insult those who are not directly a part of their hive mind. It’s gross, and for some reason, people want to change the meaning of a Stan to what a fan used to be. I have no idea why

    • @shadowfire04
      @shadowfire04 3 роки тому

      @@RM22201 but to compare them to an authoritarian regime that kills millions of people?? terrorist groups that go out and blow up buildings??? bruh

    • @RM22201
      @RM22201 3 роки тому +1

      @@shadowfire04 i mean i personally wouldnt take it that far ya know. But its still shitty and I honestly don't understand people that defend it. just be a fan like everyone else its not a personality trait

    • @assassintrashbag5215
      @assassintrashbag5215 3 роки тому

      @@furkankoc5750 speak English

  • @Dash_Gallou
    @Dash_Gallou 3 роки тому +111

    Dream's "Here, I noticed you, now go outside" response comes across as very egotistical.
    He definitely seems like the sort of person to a pull a "Don't you know who I am?" for not getting a discount at a restaurant or over a stick of gum.

    • @icytiz_plus3743
      @icytiz_plus3743 3 роки тому +9

      Damn, this is the same thing i was thinking about. He really thinks he is overall, the "UA-cam" guy.

    • @davithepaninigod9142
      @davithepaninigod9142 2 роки тому +4

      He has the same vibe as the “stereotypical hero that everybody loves and wants their attention”. He has fans so he thinks he’s on the top of the world

    • @PomadaGaming
      @PomadaGaming Рік тому

      I can already tell that’s what about 95% of the 70k likes he got need to hear.

  • @neversafefromwaluigi8853
    @neversafefromwaluigi8853 3 роки тому +468

    Dream is that one kid who acts like he's the best in school because he held onto the monkey bars for 5 seconds.

    • @Aryan-rx9rl
      @Aryan-rx9rl 3 роки тому +23

      accurate.

    • @ananta8514
      @ananta8514 3 роки тому +30

      the guy seems like a good guy but he did let his stans get to his head, they keep jacking off his ego and he's all for it, if he wants a good fanbase he needs to set boundaries the man actually thinks that defending these 14 year-old girls on twitter will get him more fame, if he had alot less growth and didn't get 10mil in 5 months with all these stans scouring the internet for his face it gives him a sense of importance and popularity when in reality he's just a Minecraft youtuber

    • @justwoosh
      @justwoosh 3 роки тому +15

      idk man that monkey bars always fucked me up as a kid, i was weak before lmao

    • @jeffarreza4782
      @jeffarreza4782 3 роки тому +2

      @@justwoosh same lmao

    • @kso86.
      @kso86. 3 роки тому +3

      idk man, monkey bars are pretty impressive

  • @bottomtier5850
    @bottomtier5850 3 роки тому +2429

    I whole heartedly agree with Jawsh.

    • @atypicalalt6625
      @atypicalalt6625 3 роки тому +11

      yes

    • @crackerjack2405
      @crackerjack2405 3 роки тому +85

      Everyone does. If you're not a stan

    • @hannah5092
      @hannah5092 3 роки тому +17

      ok but some of these ‘stans’ are deadass 13 years old. yes, some stans do weird shit that’s not okay but generalising people isn’t okay either

    • @saosin985
      @saosin985 3 роки тому +56

      The literal definition of stan has over obsessive in it so I agree with him as well. It isn't healthy

    • @_annoying
      @_annoying 3 роки тому

      @@hannah5092 are you referring to jawsh like he said all stans are bad or?

  • @Ayeloo
    @Ayeloo 3 роки тому +505

    "Don't generalize my stans!"
    >proceeds to bunch up regular fans and stans as interchangable

    • @muzduf5884
      @muzduf5884 3 роки тому

      Wait I want time stamp who said that

    • @Ayeloo
      @Ayeloo 3 роки тому

      @@muzduf5884 It's paraphrasing.

    • @SerialAENetworks
      @SerialAENetworks 3 роки тому +38

      Lol i dont even get how minecraft content creators have this kind of community

    • @KeewiAnimationsAndMore
      @KeewiAnimationsAndMore 3 роки тому +11

      @@SerialAENetworks minecraft has a very large, toxic fanbase at the bottom of it, and that's where these minecraft channels get their stans. it's pretty terrifying.

    • @thegreatgonzales6813
      @thegreatgonzales6813 3 роки тому

      @@SerialAENetworks They don't always just Dream

  • @bruh-gn5kc
    @bruh-gn5kc 3 роки тому +186

    Jawsh: *tells argument, details how he's only had bad experiences with them, makes reasonable points*
    Dream: (says insult with no counter-argument)
    Stans: jaWsH bAd DrEaM pOgChAmP

  • @Adachie
    @Adachie 3 роки тому +911

    "Stans are toxic" - Sane Human Being
    "No, we're not. Let's harrass, bully and try to ruin his life because he called us toxic, and if they call us out on it we'll just blame it on mental issues and keep doing it" - Stans

    • @aster6292
      @aster6292 3 роки тому +56

      true, that definition of stan involes people who can't handle the truth being thrown at them and break down in a hissy fit after being called out

    • @FirstnameLastname-gi3dp
      @FirstnameLastname-gi3dp 3 роки тому +15

      I mean, Jawsh is right here but at the same time he shouldn't have called teenagers mentally ill and dangerous monsters

    • @Adachie
      @Adachie 3 роки тому +48

      @@FirstnameLastname-gi3dp He called people that intentionally join the "Stan culture" mentally ill and dangerous. And I dont see a problem when they even use Mental issues as an excuse for their actions

    • @Sean-mb9tu
      @Sean-mb9tu 3 роки тому +5

      This is oddly specific

    • @wizzdom8364
      @wizzdom8364 3 роки тому

      Cap.

  • @frekcho850
    @frekcho850 3 роки тому +162

    Jawsh:Stans are mentally ill
    Twitter: Proves Jawsh's point
    They can't understand the difference between a stan and a fan. A stan will always obsess and never criticize bad behavior of creators.

    • @taiyakisss
      @taiyakisss 3 роки тому

      but i dont really like how jawsh made it seem like mental illness is a bad thing??

    • @siplezz6706
      @siplezz6706 3 роки тому +22

      @@taiyakisss you think having a mental illness is a good thing?

    • @misterjr193
      @misterjr193 3 роки тому +5

      @@taiyakisss he asked them to seek help. perfectly reasonable

    • @themanbehindthebruhmoment502
      @themanbehindthebruhmoment502 3 роки тому +4

      @@taiyakisss How isn't it tho?

    • @soupmix211
      @soupmix211 3 роки тому +7

      @@taiyakisss i have a "mental illness" and would do anything for it to disappear

  • @Play3r21
    @Play3r21 3 роки тому +310

    I’m laughing my ass off. They attacked Jawsh for saying the Stan community was toxic, this literally proving his entire point

    • @andrewzhou4491
      @andrewzhou4491 3 роки тому +9

      Dang I didn’t realize that lol, good call

    • @rotary1742
      @rotary1742 3 роки тому +6

      What even goes on in their heads jesus

    • @xd-vo8ti
      @xd-vo8ti 3 роки тому +5

      What about jawshs fandom saying slurs and telling dream team stans to lull themselves what about them saying a bunch of slurs to them

    • @kirkwindham9811
      @kirkwindham9811 3 роки тому +13

      @@xd-vo8ti Pictures or it didn't happen.

    • @sci_pain3409
      @sci_pain3409 3 роки тому +7

      @@xd-vo8ti jawsh can’t control his fans????

  • @WeldonWen
    @WeldonWen 3 роки тому +299

    Dream doesn't understand what 'stan' actually mean, he'll regret hard at some point in the future.

    • @Lemonburied
      @Lemonburied 3 роки тому +2

      Definitions change over time sometimes I think you should watch dreams videos on stans it was pretty good

    • @tinalove4324
      @tinalove4324 3 роки тому +26

      @@Lemonburied u didn't eatch the video. Dream is manipulating you all

    • @Lemonburied
      @Lemonburied 3 роки тому +1

      @@tinalove4324 I literally did- no he isnt

    • @carlwheezer3353
      @carlwheezer3353 3 роки тому +81

      @@Lemonburied gonna go change the definition of murder brb

    • @scarletpumpernickel8260
      @scarletpumpernickel8260 3 роки тому +20

      @@Lemonburied well your honor i am not a school shooter because I changed the definition

  • @prosoblue647
    @prosoblue647 3 роки тому +475

    The worst part about Dream stans is that Dream himself seems to be complicit in it. He allowed a cult of personality to develop around him.

    • @justjupit
      @justjupit 3 роки тому +26

      True, didn't expect him to do that, even after the addison rae thing.

    • @RED01SEA
      @RED01SEA 3 роки тому +39

      anyone remember the glow squid thing and how he react to it , it the same here !!! he know what he did he know what his fans did and he chose to ignore it , just like this

    • @justjupit
      @justjupit 3 роки тому +1

      @@RED01SEA i didn't know about the glow squid thing other than he voted for it, can you please explain it?

    • @RED01SEA
      @RED01SEA 3 роки тому +46

      @@justjupit well he weaponized his fans to get what he want (eliminating the iceiilliger because it will mess with his speedruns) he mass tweeted all his fans that if they voted for glow squid he will follow them back (which he didn't do ) he also tweeted at Mr. beast and his fans to vote glow squid , what happened is that the vote was ruined because all of those combined fans all voted squid and made the vote rigged making all people who participate look betrayed , then want people questioned him on this practice he ignored them (he said he did nothing and he wasn't responsible for this downplaying his role ) and joke about it and pretty much did exactly like here with jawsh

    • @BennyKlaus
      @BennyKlaus 3 роки тому +2

      @@RED01SEA SOUND THE ALARM!!! HE MADE HIS FANS CHOSE A MINECRAFT MOB WHAT'S NEXT? THE GOVERNMENT? But in all seriousness this is really what people are talking about these days not racism or anything like that but mad cause people are having fun? Like I get the problem if they're ruining people's lives and cancelling them but the minecraft community hasn't really done that or atleast none of the content creators endorsed cancelling people they have just been having fun if you don't want to be a part of it you don't have to. At the end of the day these people are also teenagers too it's not like it's a group of 30 year old men manipulating children like this person makes it out to be

  • @imunoriginal382
    @imunoriginal382 3 роки тому +671

    "Only a few stans are toxic"
    *Meanwhile when someone was wearing Dream's merch*

    • @_smth2650
      @_smth2650 3 роки тому +79

      @Faith Daniels probably was talking about addison rae but i wouldnt know

    • @ghostiii1055
      @ghostiii1055 3 роки тому +124

      @Faith Daniels they are talking about dream sending merch to Addison Rae and how she got hate comments from dream stans for just having dreams merch

    • @luwumin9711
      @luwumin9711 3 роки тому +12

      A large amount of the community hates those fans, trust me, we're laughing at them too, they're a loud minority

    • @dogz7506
      @dogz7506 3 роки тому +51

      @Faith Daniels Wearing merch isn’t toxic, it’s how Dream stans acted in the situation. Imagine constantly replying to a person with “SHOO GET AWAY FROM GEORGE AND DREAM SHOO.”

    • @noe4354
      @noe4354 3 роки тому +9

      @@luwumin9711 those are not fans they are stans

  • @thatoneguy7024
    @thatoneguy7024 3 роки тому +759

    See, what Dream doesn't seem to understand is Jawsh's own experience with Stans and Fan culture. He's had people write horrible things about him and his friends, things that involve perverted, violent, or disgustin acts being performed. Dream only looks at the people who say " We STAN DREAM"

    • @epauletteshark
      @epauletteshark 3 роки тому +47

      bingo

    • @gunnimikki
      @gunnimikki 3 роки тому +46

      Ding ding ding we have a winner

    • @rjfnfbd9916
      @rjfnfbd9916 3 роки тому +30

      Stans and fans are two different things

    • @thatoneguy7024
      @thatoneguy7024 3 роки тому +64

      @@rjfnfbd9916 I know, but often times people attempt to blur the lines between the two words. People can say they're fans, but show really unhealthy behaviors, people can say they are a stan and be a fan. It's just a confusing way to ruin a real meaning to a word.

    • @ok2298
      @ok2298 3 роки тому +26

      @@suhudude I think the term stan should be dropped as a positive term entirely cause it ain't. I don't know why people decided to make it seem like another word for fan when it shouldn't be. Just use fan or something. Unless describing someone who's actually unhealthily obssesed cos that's it's original meaning

  • @Jack-zd3vr
    @Jack-zd3vr 3 роки тому +99

    “There I noticed you go outside”
    God he’s so self absorbed for a person who’s only popular because 5 year olds learned what Minecraft was this year.

  • @theguch4151
    @theguch4151 3 роки тому +327

    People who idolize someone to the point of treating them like a god, and harassing people who think otherwise, is hella gross

    • @yo-man928
      @yo-man928 3 роки тому +5

      It’s worse when they harass the people they worship

    • @sleepynt2839
      @sleepynt2839 3 роки тому +6

      religion in a nutshell

    • @sethfortune230
      @sethfortune230 3 роки тому

      Be sure to check out my first video it should be out by now
      ua-cam.com/video/5K_x-SmiR-E/v-deo.html

    • @bboombayah4662
      @bboombayah4662 3 роки тому +2

      yeah hat's honestly a very disturbing and concerning mindset to have

    • @czechpatriot2230
      @czechpatriot2230 3 роки тому +2

      That's more worship than idolizing. Best example of worshipping someone like God is KPOP community or reddit with "Big Chungus wholesome Keannu Reves"

  • @bbbready685
    @bbbready685 3 роки тому +289

    The most ironic thing about it was that every single tweet Dream posted on the matter proved Jawsh's point further

    • @kevintapia1760
      @kevintapia1760 3 роки тому +13

      I liked dream before but now I hate him

    • @canofpeanut
      @canofpeanut 3 роки тому +32

      @@kevintapia1760 dream is one of the most pathetic people on the platform, putting shit in the mouth of bandwagoners, and they love it.

    • @theNova99
      @theNova99 3 роки тому +1

      LMAO

    • @shawnshock8651
      @shawnshock8651 3 роки тому +8

      Somehow in less than 20 minutes I lost any, and all respect I had for dream

    • @paplinko
      @paplinko 3 роки тому +1

      it mostly proves dream is a piece of crap

  • @pizzamana
    @pizzamana 3 роки тому +414

    I think dream is mixing the terms "stan" and "fan". Stans have always been a term for a deranged fan

    • @tinalove4324
      @tinalove4324 3 роки тому +57

      @AxWielder Sprigz sorry..? I think you're confused

    • @cthulhu7156
      @cthulhu7156 3 роки тому +34

      @@tinalove4324 He's definitely very confused, or the worst case scenario, he thinks fans are the deranged ones.

    • @jakedaknight5749
      @jakedaknight5749 3 роки тому +43

      @AxWielder Sprigz are you perhaps stupid? the term 'stan' is derived from Eminem's song 'Stan' which covers a backstory of an obsessive fan slowly descending into madness and committing suicide because his favorite content creator didn't write them a letter, this is the actual meaning of a stan, that's why it's a word to begin with because of this song.
      And don't tell me "oh but that definition is outdated!" wrong, defining stan as a "super fan" is just outright stupid, since when did supporting your favorite content creator have different tiers? calling yourself a 'stan' or giving it a different definition to the one which it was given is absolute proof that toxic fans try to blend in with fans. if you think fans can be the deranged ones I suggest actually doing homework tonight :)

    • @jelly2882
      @jelly2882 3 роки тому +18

      @AxWielder Sprigz you must be relatively new to the internet. God i hate to use this phrase but back in the day when UA-cam was still the wild west "stan" is a negative term used for obsessed fans. Over the time the meaning became skewed like many words used in the internet today i.e simp, cringe, stan. It's weird to see people call themselves "stan" so openly now without knowing the true meaning of it.

    • @jelly2882
      @jelly2882 3 роки тому +12

      @AxWielder Sprigz Really? Well have spent an embarrassingly amount of time on youtube and i always knew and saw "stan" used to describe an overly attached/obsessive fan. I remember around 2012-2013 when pop artist were getting popular and being to obsessive to them over the internet would get you called out as a "stan", typically done by saying "don't be such a stan". To not further this argument and be civil then let's agree to disagree, my opinion is mine and yours are yours. Just stay safe out there 😁

  • @ZaWRLD
    @ZaWRLD 3 роки тому +265

    Dream is so ignorant they he doesn't even know what the word "stan" actually means which to give you a good idea it's a stalker + a fan = a stan his "stans" literally harassed people for buying his merch that's not good nor healthy I don't think stans are inherently evil but they do way more harm than good.

    • @thelobsterclan6299
      @thelobsterclan6299 3 роки тому +15

      I’m pretty sure the word originated from Eminem’s song “Stan”. It has nothing to do with combining words. I agree with you tho

    • @keepafacade9583
      @keepafacade9583 3 роки тому +2

      @@thelobsterclan6299 I mean it actually says when you search it up that stalker and fan creates “Stan”

    • @thelobsterclan6299
      @thelobsterclan6299 3 роки тому +15

      @@keepafacade9583 When Eminem chose the lyric he chose it because it could easily rhyme with fan. I think overtime people gave it a more complex origin. That combination of words does work tho

    • @stuffjuststuff6067
      @stuffjuststuff6067 3 роки тому +8

      @@iehnjiemfcohnum it didn’t change dick head

    • @softeealmonds
      @softeealmonds 3 роки тому +11

      @@iehnjiemfcohnum the word stan didnt change from one egotistical asshole saying it did

  • @xtrmspd
    @xtrmspd 3 роки тому +155

    Fr, dream needs to get a hold of his community

    • @pumpkin_spice2314
      @pumpkin_spice2314 3 роки тому +3

      He does but it might be hard to since he’s grown so much more now and the stans (Eminem’s definition) are so crazy about him they most likely wouldn’t stop

    • @smartcranberry4441
      @smartcranberry4441 3 роки тому +1

      Ehhh true its hard considering how fastly he grew- every big community will have (eminems definition of stans) but the other meaning of stan is different for everyone ofc :)

    • @GoogleAccount-if6pu
      @GoogleAccount-if6pu 3 роки тому +6

      @@smartcranberry4441 It is just that those other meanings are illegitimate.

    • @smartcranberry4441
      @smartcranberry4441 3 роки тому

      @@GoogleAccount-if6pu it may be illegitimate but people will keep using it no matter what
      Oh well

    • @engineergaming6395
      @engineergaming6395 3 роки тому +3

      Agreed it would be hard to do especially if when he says to stop he knows he will start to lose money and his stans will turn on him. Turning their large amounts of love with stalkerish when just being creepy it can further turn to more than just creepy maybe to the worst possible situation. A Stan does a John Lennon on dream and kills him. But that’s just worst possible

  • @jakedoesmemes
    @jakedoesmemes 3 роки тому +87

    Jawsh providing a well-written, senseful paragraph about the dangers of stan culture and dream ratioing him by calling him an idiot shows how stupid stan culture is.

    • @davepanpa4532
      @davepanpa4532 3 роки тому +3

      Just like his character in Dream smp, he gets mad and people immediately agree with him because he screamed or got mad.

    • @NR-gx3lf
      @NR-gx3lf 3 роки тому

      well written??? he basically just insulted stans and drizzled in a bit of proof here and there. Using big words does not equal well written. He called them evil malicious beasts and mentally unwell, because they are super into talking and tweeting about a certain thing LOLOL. Dream simply called him an idiot because he has tweeted time and time again expressing his opinion in the past before and he even told Jawsh and Noah to go read those tweets. Not all stans are the best people in the world but most stans fine. People tend to Hyper-fixate to the negative and then forget to realize that most stans just live tweet twitch streams and make friends on twitter :/

    • @smartcranberry4441
      @smartcranberry4441 3 роки тому

      Everyone was already responding to it before he responded btw :)
      Technically false but it was funny

    • @smartcranberry4441
      @smartcranberry4441 3 роки тому

      @@davepanpa4532 dreamsmp is RP though :)

    • @NR-gx3lf
      @NR-gx3lf 3 роки тому

      He also contradicts himself .He tells people that “if you’re part of a twt group unfollow me” and then goes on to say that “to the people that believe that i’m calling each and every one of you evil, you are either intentionally or unintentionally misunderstanding” He is generalizing about them and then not generalizing at the same time. Anyways if you wanna see something well written in the other perspective go read michaelmcchills responses.

  • @RealUnknown.
    @RealUnknown. 3 роки тому +851

    "Twitter would just cancel anyone ironically"
    *Even if is not a bad word or anything*

    • @a.3683
      @a.3683 3 роки тому +1

      Yes

    • @jawaad2286
      @jawaad2286 3 роки тому +23

      bro you can get banned for not putting fucking minecraft commands before your tweets

    • @troncoboy9372
      @troncoboy9372 3 роки тому +8

      @@jawaad2286 MINECRAFT COMMANDS OMEGALUL

    • @lucapasa4519
      @lucapasa4519 3 роки тому

      you jinxed it

    • @sethfortune230
      @sethfortune230 3 роки тому

      Be sure to check out my first video it should be out by now
      ua-cam.com/video/5K_x-SmiR-E/v-deo.html

  • @idiotonline8787
    @idiotonline8787 3 роки тому +173

    The thread in a nutshell:
    Josh: A well made argument
    Dream: YoU aRe An IdIoT
    Tubbo and karl: farming likes and retweet’s
    Hugbox: defending josh
    Carson: deez nutz

    • @TheWither129
      @TheWither129 3 роки тому +46

      Josh: Based
      Dream: Cringe
      Tubbo: Funny British kid being irresponsible
      Karl: Cringe Dream simp
      Carson: HELLA based

    • @MDG-mykys
      @MDG-mykys 3 роки тому +4

      @@TheWither129 carson: oof

  • @williamlong763
    @williamlong763 3 роки тому +710

    The problem is that Dream and his friends are actually allowing this culture to exist and not addressing the problem directly to his fans, and instead sends them out on witch hunts on anyone who justfully critizes him.

    • @owenf2835
      @owenf2835 3 роки тому

      what friends i dont think im aware of which ones u are referring to

    • @sweet813one
      @sweet813one 3 роки тому +16

      I can name situations:
      #1: Rigging the mob vote and getting the community to harass other people without even stopping them
      #2: Calling out people who called him a cheater for rigging his 1.16 run even though there is mathematical proof

    • @shiabea
      @shiabea 3 роки тому +4

      It’s because he likes it. If I had millions of stans I would probably abuse the power of it too,,

    • @farisaqlan631
      @farisaqlan631 3 роки тому +7

      @@shiabea he let himself get cocky from all the subs he gained in such a short time

    • @allensullera1565
      @allensullera1565 3 роки тому +8

      @@farisaqlan631 imagine his ego if he won that 1v1

  • @Oscar-vv6dn
    @Oscar-vv6dn 3 роки тому +139

    Jawsh's friends have had terrible experiences with stans. One took one of their water bottles at a convention and kept it as a souvenir in their rooms.

    • @sethfortune230
      @sethfortune230 3 роки тому +1

      Be sure to check out my first video it should be out by now
      ua-cam.com/video/5K_x-SmiR-E/v-deo.html

    • @CManBee
      @CManBee 3 роки тому +26

      @@sethfortune230 You are also a problem on the platform. He is trying to have a serious discussion and you use it to profit in subs and views. Grow your channel through real means and not spam it on upvoted comments. It will bring more negatives than positives.

    • @SketchingCookie
      @SketchingCookie 3 роки тому +19

      @bubarey Did you guys know that Ted had to break up with his girlfriend because Stans kept making her feel uncomfortable. They made fanfics where Ted would break up with her and end up with the reader. She would also get harassed by them in comments and stuff, it really sucked since they looked pretty happy together.

    • @Oscar-vv6dn
      @Oscar-vv6dn 3 роки тому +2

      @@SketchingCookie Really!? That sucks, Ted is so nice.

    • @Oscar-vv6dn
      @Oscar-vv6dn 3 роки тому +1

      @@sethfortune230 Woah, I don't care

  • @PhoenixAce
    @PhoenixAce 3 роки тому +418

    Jawsh is honestly one of the smartest and most down to earth guy I’ve ever seen and heard of on UA-cam hopefully he doesn’t and has never done anything bad that turns me or anyone else against him

    • @youraveragepersonwalkingth6850
      @youraveragepersonwalkingth6850 2 роки тому +1

      Idk man, dude kinda exaggerated a little and ran with it. It felt disingenuous and felt more of a take down. Maybe I’m reading into his tweets to much but jawshalt doesn’t seem like he is telling the truth

    • @hecc7906
      @hecc7906 2 роки тому +8

      @@youraveragepersonwalkingth6850 bro stans expose people's address or just harasses them forever

    • @youraveragepersonwalkingth6850
      @youraveragepersonwalkingth6850 2 роки тому +1

      @@hecc7906 yeah that’s true. But something about the way he said it man. There’s something in his tweets that are making me feel weird. I don’t know what it is but I know it irks me.

    • @hecc7906
      @hecc7906 2 роки тому +1

      @@youraveragepersonwalkingth6850 it does seem very vindictive but he is right, stan culture is toxic and destructive

    • @aureum7479
      @aureum7479 2 роки тому +3

      Yeah fr, actually one of the better twitch streamers.

  • @randomcanadian6298
    @randomcanadian6298 3 роки тому +65

    It's amusing how "stans" are both proving Jawsh's point while being offended that they're being called out for being exactly what they're named after.

  • @certifiedbungfreak809
    @certifiedbungfreak809 3 роки тому +88

    “I am sick of looking at Instagram and seeing that I am tagged in yet another edit made with some garbage phone app” literally what I was thinking

    • @mememe4188
      @mememe4188 3 роки тому +2

      @TDFPL lmao

    • @funsies8107
      @funsies8107 3 роки тому +14

      @TDFPL Let's not get ahead of ourselves
      He maybe a bit of a person who goes with the crowd and says stupid things but let's not compare him with someone who has no empathy for other people

    • @mememe4188
      @mememe4188 3 роки тому +1

      @@funsies8107 nah that's psychopath. Sociopaths feel a little bit of empathy. Still farfetched for Dream tho.

    • @dumbster6519
      @dumbster6519 3 роки тому +6

      @@funsies8107 he doesn't have empathy, he doesn't tell his stalker fans to not harass other creators but he enables it and he joins them bcus if he goes against them he won't get money anymore

    • @funsies8107
      @funsies8107 3 роки тому +1

      @@dumbster6519 Ok i can see that as clear as water
      But other times he sa shown he at least has SOME
      For example, his famous series, Dream SMP, isn't streamed by him at all, and he said that it was because he liked the fact that all of the other content creators on the server have less subscribers than him, so if he streamed on it, he would get all of the clout
      Sure, this could be a lie so im not telling you to take it at face value, im just saying that's a possibility

  • @bbbready685
    @bbbready685 3 роки тому +120

    To get attacked by stans BECAUSE you feel uncomfortable with the culture around them is probably one of the worst things that can happen to a content creator.

  • @asasquatchnamedmiguel8308
    @asasquatchnamedmiguel8308 3 роки тому +301

    For those kids in the back:
    A fan is someone who enjoys a creators content, talks to other people in the fanbase and is just there for the ride
    A stan is someone who obsesses over a creator to an unhealthy degree and sometimes even knows everything about a creator. And as google put it:
    “"stan” is defined as “an extremely or excessively enthusiastic and devoted fan,” while as a verb it's defined as “to exhibit fandom to an extreme excessive degree."”
    Thank you.

    • @phoenixanimationz
      @phoenixanimationz 3 роки тому +6

      And for every "stan" comment ive seen, they're just being biased fans or just fans in general
      Then they start getting attacked because they said one little nice thing about dream
      I've checked and that's straight up all I see

    • @jaehyuns_dimple
      @jaehyuns_dimple 3 роки тому +2

      @@phoenixanimationz well it's totally opposite for me. Most of the stans I've met on twitter are so nice to me and I've got to talk to them personally and they are very nice. I have talked to Quackity stans, Karl stans and dream stans and they were all so nice.

    • @phoenixanimationz
      @phoenixanimationz 3 роки тому

      @@jaehyuns_dimple I never met the stans but every comment about them always has someone say like dream then they start getting called a stan for no reason

    • @jaehyuns_dimple
      @jaehyuns_dimple 3 роки тому

      @@phoenixanimationz I know, it makes me sick that people just call random people stans because they like to watch a certain content creator.
      I recomend you watch dreams vid that he made about stans on his second channel if you haven't already :D

    • @phoenixanimationz
      @phoenixanimationz 3 роки тому

      @@jaehyuns_dimple I did,it was great,I still don't understand why all this is happening because of some fans and one fake speed run
      Even if fake he's still a good player and does some crazy moves to entertain us

  • @sebsmith5286
    @sebsmith5286 3 роки тому +62

    ngl I think jawsh was incredibly eloquent, and made his points very well. I agree with everything he said. yes he was pretty harsh, but as he said he handled himself better than other content creators did

    • @MDG-mykys
      @MDG-mykys 3 роки тому

      And he realized it in the end.

    • @youraveragepersonwalkingth6850
      @youraveragepersonwalkingth6850 2 роки тому +1

      I can’t say I agree with you. He felt like he was being to serious and I half expected him to say it was a joke. It felt like he was disingenuous but maybe I’m reading into his tweets to much. Idk what to make of this situation. It just left me puzzled and confused. Carson was the only thing that made sense.

  • @DrummerBoys
    @DrummerBoys 3 роки тому +611

    The word stan is literally "stalker" "fan". This is pathetic

    • @ArmlessSteve4487
      @ArmlessSteve4487 3 роки тому +8

      It’s pathetic whoever first made the other term of stans

    • @bonkc
      @bonkc 3 роки тому +4

      Ok. But like there are crazy stans and chill stans there is a difference it's just that people only look at the crazy stans and ignore the chill ones and then generalize the entire community as crazy and mentally unwell when in reality there are fans,chill stans and crazy stans

    • @communistpotato3204
      @communistpotato3204 3 роки тому +88

      @@bonkc stalker fan

    • @lAmGhostly
      @lAmGhostly 3 роки тому +49

      Because dream is just as brain dead as his community

    • @jazzy9569
      @jazzy9569 3 роки тому +2

      @@bonkc well most people generalize stans because what they see are the toxic ones who shine more than regular fans

  • @celestemangonya
    @celestemangonya 3 роки тому +295

    I feel that Dream and the other creators around him who enable Stans are irresponsible, It's obvious he just wants the attention and money, and I think it's partially a byproduct of his explosive growth, it's a shame, I used to like his videos before he blew up.

    • @MickeyMouse-lx3nw
      @MickeyMouse-lx3nw 3 роки тому +4

      Same

    • @dogz7506
      @dogz7506 3 роки тому +11

      It might also be because he basically doesn’t even know what a stan is, considering the fact that people have redefined the word so much where it’s original meaning is lost.

    • @onepieceofbbq6357
      @onepieceofbbq6357 3 роки тому +19

      he really just doesn't give a shit and it's sad.

    • @sgatcha1443
      @sgatcha1443 3 роки тому +8

      I have a feeling his Stans will come back and bite him in the ass on how they act

    • @marissahicks3529
      @marissahicks3529 3 роки тому +12

      Same here. It’s so embarrassing and depressing to see Dream’s “dark side.” He used to be this wholesome dude who made unique content and now he’s essentially the Kim Jong-Un of Minecraft youtubers. I can’t wait until he eats his own shit.

  • @ssj4922
    @ssj4922 3 роки тому +311

    I completely agree with Jawshalt, stans are weird obsessive people who judge their entirely online persona, and happiness on a completely different person that they'll probably never meet in their lives. Stans of any nature whether that be content creator, an artist, or dear god a politician (yes they exist) seriously need to, and I quote, "get a life".

    • @pizzfungus6413
      @pizzfungus6413 3 роки тому +7

      I believe that Jawsh is correct but I dont think they're all evil. I think that they're sensitive children becuase they get triggered by everything. "Twomad V.S. K-pop Stans"

    • @bonkc
      @bonkc 3 роки тому +1

      @@pizzfungus6413 two types of stans
      1.crazy stans that will stalk and chase there idols
      2.chill stans that just post pics of edits or just wanna chill

    • @guy3630
      @guy3630 3 роки тому +6

      @@bonkc why are they called stans tho?

    • @FroyourHistory
      @FroyourHistory 3 роки тому +21

      @@bonkc Stan literally means stalker-fan.

    • @guy3630
      @guy3630 3 роки тому +2

      @@FroyourHistory exactly

  • @ferrocha26
    @ferrocha26 3 роки тому +82

    Jawsh is the type of guy I wanna be but am too afraid to.

  • @vapause7268
    @vapause7268 3 роки тому +289

    Dream wouldn't defend his stans so vehemently if he showed his face. Because then he'd be constantly mobbed by them.

    • @hamad1o121
      @hamad1o121 3 роки тому +14

      Bruh that reminds me of a movie or game were the guy was wearing a mask that looks like a beasts face and controlled other real beasts then he his mask fell down and they attacked him and killed him

    • @GMFan
      @GMFan 3 роки тому +5

      @Mya St Martin yeah but dreams stans specifically would mob him

    • @CraigaliciouslyCraig
      @CraigaliciouslyCraig 3 роки тому +7

      why can't people just stop calling themselves a stan, it's not that fucking hard. call yourself a fan, a big fan, a super fan, but not a stan. just because somebody changed the definition, doesn't mean it's entirely changed.

    • @jean-naymar602
      @jean-naymar602 3 роки тому

      @Mya St Martin A pretty spot on textbook example of a 'no-true scotsman fallacy'

    • @cthulhu7156
      @cthulhu7156 3 роки тому

      @Mya St Martin "is not a stan" You do realise stan means stalker fan, right? It's what a stan would do.

  • @stoic6475
    @stoic6475 3 роки тому +124

    A man who stands by his point and not afraid to speak out on something problematic even though the opposing community is way bigger than him

    • @ammagon4519
      @ammagon4519 3 роки тому +25

      Dude went Doomslayer on a platform worse than hell

    • @NewName007-n3u
      @NewName007-n3u 3 роки тому +5

      @@ammagon4519 True. I respect that.

    • @TheWither129
      @TheWither129 3 роки тому +2

      Jawsh is based as FUCK

    • @PomadaGaming
      @PomadaGaming Рік тому +1

      And he was being smart,honest and comprehensive. Can’t say the same for the rest.

  • @stratoqumulous
    @stratoqumulous 3 роки тому +1354

    I don’t think the voice recording was about the stan issue, but another issue entirely? I think he was referring to the Casey Goodman stuff that was trending on twitter .... not the Jawsh thing....

    • @hannah7770
      @hannah7770 3 роки тому +140

      he was... people take things completely out of context

    • @exoticcats6119
      @exoticcats6119 3 роки тому +71

      He was. This was taken out of context.

    • @starst0ne745
      @starst0ne745 3 роки тому +85

      he was. completely taken out of context and now people think we was manipulating his fans :/

    • @lovelessonyx
      @lovelessonyx 3 роки тому +41

      Yeah dream was referring to that. But sadly people take things out of context :(

    • @eviltthecre8631
      @eviltthecre8631 3 роки тому +29

      yup! That clip was completely taken out of context that it’s honestly painful because it has nothing to do with it at all 😭😭

  • @realmrbatboy27
    @realmrbatboy27 3 роки тому +281

    if you look up "what does stan mean?" , you would see that it means "an overzealous or obsessive fan of a particular celebrity."
    And that is a dictionary definition.

    • @rawhan1
      @rawhan1 3 роки тому +52

      Exactly, dream changed the definition of it to try to win an argument he already lost by insulting josh, he “appreciates” his “fans” that make porn of him and his bestfriends.

    • @rawhan1
      @rawhan1 3 роки тому +17

      @AxWielder Sprigz are you actually this dumb? Watch the damn video. Here’s the timestamp for you10:15

    • @rawhan1
      @rawhan1 3 роки тому +17

      @AxWielder Sprigz he redefined the meaning, mrbatboy27 was correct with the definition. The official definition of stan is
      an overzealous or obsessive fan of a particular celebrity. That is what the dictionary says.

    • @hantao2115
      @hantao2115 3 роки тому +7

      @AxWielder Sprigz he was the one who literally tweeted it

    • @rawhan1
      @rawhan1 3 роки тому +8

      @AxWielder Sprigz stan - an overzealous or obsessive *fan* of a particular celebrity. Dude read the damn definition, it literally means obsessive “ *fan* “

  • @RobobatYT
    @RobobatYT 3 роки тому +67

    How is Twitter going against Dream Stans?
    When 65% of Twitter consists of Dream Stans.

    • @sgatcha1443
      @sgatcha1443 3 роки тому +9

      Majority are Stans of any community
      Others are Tumblr refugees,Shitposters,and normal stuff

    • @dumbster6519
      @dumbster6519 3 роки тому

      Because they are tired of it?

  • @user-ci3pw3nl1o
    @user-ci3pw3nl1o 3 роки тому +96

    Dream's reply was pretty bad ngl, I feel like he's just trying to get his "fans" to ratio Jawshalt, knowing he have a lot more followers than Jawshalt.

    • @kaned2732
      @kaned2732 3 роки тому

      He’s an idiot, the only reason people “like” to play with him is because of clout ex. Mr. beast

  • @cheese3123
    @cheese3123 3 роки тому +709

    just wanted to clarify, dream’s voice audio at the end was for the recent black lives matter news and wasn’t related to the stan drama. kinda obvious by the fact he talked about people of colour and racism

    • @msgpatient7850
      @msgpatient7850 3 роки тому +67

      That definitely sounds out of context from this tweet. But i still dont agree with him defending his stans like dude i like your content but you cant act like most of your fans never harrased other people and creators.

    • @cheese3123
      @cheese3123 3 роки тому +65

      @@msgpatient7850 that’s true but majority of his fans come on twitter to find other people to discuss similar interests. they don’t deserve to be grouped with the bad and toxic ones

    • @msgpatient7850
      @msgpatient7850 3 роки тому +32

      @@cheese3123 my problem is with him trying to make stans seemed positive, stans are people who are overly obsessed with someone famous like youtubers or celebrities. Stan is always used negatively and now he's trying to make stans look like nice when they're actually not.

    • @kaysea04
      @kaysea04 3 роки тому +56

      @@msgpatient7850 i think it was cuz jawsh called them all mentally ill

    • @dynamicduck8803
      @dynamicduck8803 3 роки тому +21

      @@kaysea04 I dont think he was calling stans mentally ill more like that they are hurting their own mental state by participating in the stan culture. But i could be wrong about that though.

  • @yesyes9943
    @yesyes9943 3 роки тому +55

    I'm sorry but I had to say it, Carl is basically a dream stan and if it wasn't for Mr beast he would be like all the other stans

    • @user-jy5br4ln2i
      @user-jy5br4ln2i 3 роки тому +5

      Who the fuck is Carl anyway?

    • @hi-ws8gd
      @hi-ws8gd 3 роки тому +9

      @@user-jy5br4ln2i some idiot

    • @WAyuso34
      @WAyuso34 3 роки тому +21

      I think the proper statement is simp since he is treating dream like a god

  • @lancegreen1939
    @lancegreen1939 3 роки тому +318

    I feel like people forget that the term "stan" comes from the whole ass song Eminem made talking about a crazed fan who was obsessed with im

    • @jadedpotato1574
      @jadedpotato1574 3 роки тому +30

      the definition has definitely shifted over the past few years, but the original meaning still applies to quite a few people

    • @lancegreen1939
      @lancegreen1939 3 роки тому +16

      @@jadedpotato1574 true, but theres a reason people wewre called that in the first place when it first started.

    • @icanthaveit5099
      @icanthaveit5099 3 роки тому +37

      @@jadedpotato1574 it shifted in their bubble, but it still means what it originally meant.

    • @RoyaleCA
      @RoyaleCA 3 роки тому +4

      I wouldn't use that as an example, since even Eminem is calling his fans stans now.
      The term fan used to have the same bad connotation, so this is just history repeating itself.

    • @sephyyyboi
      @sephyyyboi 3 роки тому +2

      Dream definitely forgot that, let alone trying to redefine the term.

  • @dandylion4496
    @dandylion4496 3 роки тому +26

    > Jawsh writes a well thought-out argument against stans, calling out the mindless obsessed followers of ecelebs as dangerous and a threat to free speech.
    Dream: You’re an idiot.
    > Dream’s stans immediately jump on Jawsh like a pack of mad dogs, missing his argument entirely, twisting his words, and causing mass confusion, which completely undermines the point he was trying to make.
    > mfw Jawsh’s point has been perfectly proven.

    • @hampter9654
      @hampter9654 3 роки тому

      He probably continued to confirm his point

    • @smartcranberry4441
      @smartcranberry4441 3 роки тому

      Wdym dream stans? We all knew how stupid his thread was before he even mentioned anything- And how is he not going to respond? His name was literally mentioned innit

    • @hampter9654
      @hampter9654 3 роки тому

      @@smartcranberry4441 how was his thread stupid

    • @smartcranberry4441
      @smartcranberry4441 3 роки тому

      @@hampter9654 ngl twitter is stupid in general but not the point uh- Im a changed person so if you look at it as different definition of stans then the thread will look stupid to you. Which it did to me. The stan definition is modernized to not mean the same thing so thats why I thought it was stupid Oops

    • @hampter9654
      @hampter9654 3 роки тому +1

      @@smartcranberry4441 k just wanted clarification

  • @TheLastGame666
    @TheLastGame666 3 роки тому +98

    All those stannies on twitter are doing nothing but proving his points, but they lack self-awareness to realize that.

  • @luvelty
    @luvelty 3 роки тому +26

    I absolutely agree with Jawsh here. I used to be on K-pop stan twitter and I hated how they made the artists into gods. I couldn't say a group was not underrated because then I would be stomped on by the fans of that group. I hope fans of dream on stan Twitter can find there are different ways to support their favourite creator without harassing or obsessing over people.

    • @toocoldtobother7271
      @toocoldtobother7271 3 роки тому +2

      I am a kpop fan and the way Korea and everyone else treats them as some of gods, makes me uncomfortable it's like they're human, the artists themselves have spoken out about this and some have written songs on how they don't want to be treated like some angels, they're critized for EVERYTHING they do, even if it's as simple as not waving to someone

  • @mememe4188
    @mememe4188 3 роки тому +44

    The thing is that Dream and Jawsh have different views of what a stan is becus they've had different experiences with them.
    Dream POV of a stan: The people who send him fanarts and are generally nice to others. They show slight obsession but do other stuff.
    Jawsh: Obsessed people with creepy materials from their page.
    Dream looks at the sunrise. Jawsh looks at the sunset.

    • @hanayuna4
      @hanayuna4 3 роки тому +5

      O wow that's an interesting analogy actually

    • @shadowfire04
      @shadowfire04 3 роки тому +5

      this is actually a really good analogy

    • @manuelm2300
      @manuelm2300 3 роки тому +4

      Yeah that analogy is some best things I've seen come from a UA-cam comment section

    • @thebiggestbruhmoments69
      @thebiggestbruhmoments69 3 роки тому +1

      But dream's definition is just a fan

    • @ashlewons9605
      @ashlewons9605 3 роки тому +1

      My man obviously knows, he just dosnt wanna miss out on bank from the freaks who support him to death

  • @Graze19
    @Graze19 3 роки тому +314

    I love how these people keep saying that jawsh is generalizing stans and that there are only small groups of toxic people within the stan community like no, stans are what we call the small groups of toxic people within a fanbase, stop trying to shift the blame and get help

    • @youtubeuserdan4017
      @youtubeuserdan4017 3 роки тому +50

      THE TERM ISN'T EVEN THAT COMPLICATED? WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS GET IT WRONG?

    • @elmuchacho8598
      @elmuchacho8598 3 роки тому +31

      Jawsh is só right these kids legit dedicate there life’s and do as these kid UA-camrs say. It’s really dangerous since it involves little kids with mob mentality. I think every you tuber that disagreed with jawsh are the same ones with little kids as fans and don’t want to lose fan base.

    • @smartcranberry4441
      @smartcranberry4441 3 роки тому +3

      Maybe because is normally used as not the original definition. So it just became normalized as a different one. What other name would you replace with the definition of huge fan but not a normal fan?

    • @isplat927
      @isplat927 3 роки тому +13

      @@smartcranberry4441 A fan.

    • @smartcranberry4441
      @smartcranberry4441 3 роки тому +1

      @@isplat927 SUPER FAN >:D

  • @e-pon4169
    @e-pon4169 3 роки тому +294

    Did dream just forget that his stans harrased someone over having his merch?

    • @e-pon4169
      @e-pon4169 3 роки тому +24

      Also just kpop stans in general.

    • @trashythedemon4867
      @trashythedemon4867 3 роки тому +39

      He didn't, he just doesn't care his stans are the way they are

    • @skeptical_princess0497
      @skeptical_princess0497 3 роки тому +22

      Oh he called those people out, but in this situation, nah Jawsh big dummy idiot
      Edit: I'm not agreeing with Dream and his Stans; I'm mocking him with how he responded to Jawsh

    • @aftereffective1490
      @aftereffective1490 3 роки тому +2

      @@skeptical_princess0497 did you not learn anything?

    • @kiiturii
      @kiiturii 3 роки тому +2

      @@skeptical_princess0497 how the fuck? that situation just proved the toxicity of stans? how do you turn that around to say jawsh is wrong??

  • @gozorp
    @gozorp 3 роки тому +24

    Holy... I think his stans brainwashed him into thinking that stans is a good thing. Holy... wait till one of his "stan" reveal his location and identity. He's gonna regret everything he had tweeted.

  • @KayamaKoomori
    @KayamaKoomori 3 роки тому +179

    I see these "Stan" Communities similar to Justin Bieber's "Belibers." That is a type of obsession that really isn't healthy at all.

    • @hrg8279
      @hrg8279 3 роки тому +12

      Omg! I remember that when I was younger and Justin blew up, I used to be one but there were tons of them that were doing a lot of crazy stuff. They tried to rewatch Baby so Gangnam Style wouldn’t take it’s most viewed video throne, a girls in Mexico sold their virginity to get Justin Bieber concert tickets, a girl for a contest tattooed the whole Baby song on her leg (badly) and I remember another one to show her love she cut on her arm the words “I 💜 Justin” for some reason. Plus tons of lewd fanfics and stuff

    • @sethfortune230
      @sethfortune230 3 роки тому

      Be sure to check out my first video it should be out by now
      ua-cam.com/video/5K_x-SmiR-E/v-deo.html

    • @KayamaKoomori
      @KayamaKoomori 3 роки тому +4

      @@hrg8279 as far as I know, none of these "stans" have done anything that extreme. But if not checked on enough, idk, perhaps it can get that far.

    • @rane7784
      @rane7784 3 роки тому +8

      its's funny because this dipshit dream stans sees themselves quirky and unique compared to the belibers and directioners
      what a bunch of clowns

    • @hrg8279
      @hrg8279 3 роки тому +1

      @@KayamaKoomori I know there is lewd fan art, but rule 34 so is not weird, however we believers (even if I didn’t do that, I was hanging out with that toxic part of the community) would do the same as attacking anyone that DARED to insult him, I remember a girl made a whole video essay telling people to shut up and that Metálica and Oasis were shit because their music was “noise” not music. There was always war at Twitter between fandoms and the beliebers were the biggest, this was just when Twitter started to blow up, is nothing new really, when I see the these stans I just see a dejavú of my teenage years

  • @zen9016
    @zen9016 3 роки тому +344

    The sad thing is, no matter how many facts Jawsh states, the dream stans will just insult him and ratio the hell out of him, which will make other stans want to bash him as well.
    He's making really good points, but all Dream has to do is to call Jawsh and idiot and his stans will crucify him. How sad that this is the state that Twitter has gotten to.

    • @aster6292
      @aster6292 3 роки тому +20

      that is painfully true

    • @ethan5325
      @ethan5325 3 роки тому +12

      lol!!!! based cringe!!!!! ;) (owned)

    • @crackheaadd
      @crackheaadd 3 роки тому +27

      exactly, you can see how the fans of dream just like his tweets without thinking. That's the problem with small creators calling out bigger creators, the fans just support the bigger one without actually thinking much. The stans in a way don't have an individual mind, they just follow their "idol". That's why the stans are such a menacing culture
      edit: typo

    • @christianmorales8978
      @christianmorales8978 3 роки тому +7

      And that is why I stay away from twitter

    • @cristhianc5580
      @cristhianc5580 3 роки тому +3

      He may convert into a martyr, they will be scared of the attrocity that they've committed, Dream was an example, not an enemy, so quick to be an a h that didn't stop to think that he wasn't even being attacked

  • @ludesen9604
    @ludesen9604 3 роки тому +88

    Jawsh is genuinely a cool dude, but I’m not gonna obsess over him, I got other stuff to do like sleep

    • @t1t1t62
      @t1t1t62 3 роки тому

      what him and every other decent content creator wants.
      ua-cam.com/video/d9ELmhhLnDA/v-deo.html
      ua-cam.com/video/jrYaRvbXDbo/v-deo.html

  • @marcatehamburgers5835
    @marcatehamburgers5835 3 роки тому +59

    dream prob defended his stans because he likes the power like how he cheated the mob vote,he knows what he is doing and he doing it on purpose

    • @user-ff2lx6cz7k
      @user-ff2lx6cz7k 3 роки тому +8

      He prob is very insecure and feels better for having a bunch of kids “idolizing” him. Also it’s good for his income xd

  • @youdarnweebsgetoffmylawn
    @youdarnweebsgetoffmylawn 3 роки тому +91

    Dream stans were already bad, but now that Dream is encouraging their behavoir, they'll sooner or later become way worse than they already were.

    • @0subsWith0vidsChallenge
      @0subsWith0vidsChallenge 3 роки тому +1

      One day itll backfire on him.

    • @cherryhill9055
      @cherryhill9055 3 роки тому

      @@0subsWith0vidsChallenge propably

    • @0subsWith0vidsChallenge
      @0subsWith0vidsChallenge 3 роки тому

      @@cherryhill9055 he does something that the stans absolutely hate like get a gf and theyll be flaming him the whole time.

    • @cherryhill9055
      @cherryhill9055 3 роки тому

      @@0subsWith0vidsChallenge oh god that would be messed up tbh

  • @mongolbahrior
    @mongolbahrior 3 роки тому +20

    the only reason dream couldn't make a good argument is because he couldn't find one on reddit

  • @Jo_mama_50
    @Jo_mama_50 3 роки тому +51

    Eminem definition of Stan is the definition of Stan
    Stan: An overly obessed fan, almost like a stalkish fan.

    • @bonkc
      @bonkc 3 роки тому

      There are fans,chill stans and crazy stans
      Crazy stalkerish fans are what makes every community seem like they are mentally unwell

    • @sweew1025
      @sweew1025 3 роки тому +1

      @Xaoman we should start telling everyone who calling themselves stans (ok stalker) maybe they gonna relieve

    • @mrultimatum1179
      @mrultimatum1179 3 роки тому +1

      @@bonkc There are no "chill" stans

  • @razzietazjake7313
    @razzietazjake7313 3 роки тому +21

    Callmecarson and ted’s talk on this is AMAZING, Ted defends the stans and Carson kinda mentions that he doesn’t like the idea of stans and agrees with josh but says maybe he shouldn’t have been so rude. Twitter than attacks Ted for being “problematic” just for talking with Carson 😂

    • @thorne6477
      @thorne6477 3 роки тому

      Where can we find this video?

    • @yosoyjose4887
      @yosoyjose4887 3 роки тому +4

      Rude? No Jawsh was just saying what needed to be said

  • @adrenaline2786
    @adrenaline2786 3 роки тому +158

    This is probably the most chill twitter drama I've seen. Jawsh really knows how to handle himself.

    • @GoogleAccount-if6pu
      @GoogleAccount-if6pu 3 роки тому +21

      "chill"
      Nah, the Dream stans were saying "poshel nahui" to Jawsh

    • @oodgoo
      @oodgoo 3 роки тому +19

      Yeah i felt like josh was really solid with his responses.

    • @spadessongs
      @spadessongs 3 роки тому +1

      Im in neither person's fanbase and I can say with no bias that no offense, but jawsh just sounds like a crybaby

    • @adrenaline2786
      @adrenaline2786 3 роки тому +8

      @@spadessongsHow so?

    • @CKangZ
      @CKangZ 3 роки тому +8

      @@spadessongs him and his friends have dealt with over obsessive fans aka stans before so i understand why he cared so much

  • @Kaineeee
    @Kaineeee 3 роки тому +244

    Dream: "Stans are a group of people trying to meet other people with similar interests while expressing this though shared morals , love ,creativity."
    What an actual stan is: *pychotic, obssesed, maniacs meeting other stans in the internet to create a cult worshipping normal people and making r34 of them*

    • @smartcranberry4441
      @smartcranberry4441 3 роки тому +16

      You forgot Children who haven't fully understood yet what half of the words you just said meant :) smile

    • @GoogleAccount-if6pu
      @GoogleAccount-if6pu 3 роки тому

      да, very correct

    • @GoogleAccount-if6pu
      @GoogleAccount-if6pu 3 роки тому +3

      @@ihopeudrownmore lmao huge wall of text

    • @jammy1703
      @jammy1703 3 роки тому +5

      @@ihopeudrownmore Stans reported one of my favorite youtubers for having a different opinion than them, and got him a strike. He went into a manic sort of state afterwards. They don't bother me but they could be annoying at times.

    • @CraigaliciouslyCraig
      @CraigaliciouslyCraig 3 роки тому +2

      @@ihopeudrownmore I personally think that people shouldn't associate themselves with stans. If you enjoy someone's content and want to interact with the community, you're a fan of that person. A stan by definition is someone obsessive over someone, or stalker fan. You don't need to call yourself a stan, just call yourself a fan, a big fan, a super fan.

  • @recon6221
    @recon6221 3 роки тому +52

    Boy, Dream really is missing the context of actual stans

    • @trashythedemon4867
      @trashythedemon4867 3 роки тому +7

      At this point I can't even believe THAT
      He acts so BRAINDEAD in it all that I can only believe he wants people to stan over him because he knows it'll bring him popularity and fame

    • @Loslonios
      @Loslonios 3 роки тому

      He does get the point. He just follows what the bigger part of the public wants to hear

    • @recon6221
      @recon6221 3 роки тому

      @@Loslonios Yep.

  • @NoName-ef3jq
    @NoName-ef3jq 2 роки тому +4

    Dream: "I just woke up"
    Nah, you were crying that Jawsh just called you out lol.