@@Assi_Kater Sometimes is not your internet, but youtube leaving your resolution at 144p for no reason. Even with a slow internet 440p should be doable.
@@emanuel_orozco_rodriguezI hate UA-cam's "Auto" quality setting so much. I'll check and it's at 360p with several minutes buffered ahead. Manually switching to 720p or 1080p results in a hitch in playback less than 0.5 seconds. Surely it could have just buffered that right from the start.
This was a very spot on and apt video. My parents are in a VERY rural area and the entire region just got fiber internet. They were shocked when I told them to do the 200 Mbps plan. They're not gaming and barely stream more than one thing at a time. They're still overpaying but I wanted them to have the headroom for the future and for when I visit with the kids. Four months in, they're more than happy with what they're paying for. (Plus, it let me install a wifi beam system to beam wifi out to my cabin a mile across the fields to my cabin on the neighboring land without them noticing.)
What a guy/gal. Convincing your parents to get a bigger, more expensive connection, then they need. So that you can steal/leach off of it, without them knowing. What a wonderful child they've raised. I'm glad that you're proud of your self. Fingers crossed that they will also be, if they ever find out. And that you're own children don't turn out the same way. "What goes around...", I guess.
He talked to his parents down from what they were going to go for. Reading between the lines seems like they thought they needed to go full gigabit and he take them downwards, yes he did build some speed in for when the grand kids visit, the parents would surely help with entertaining them. Yes they also added the beaming but maybe what was meant was that they didn't feel a drop in their quality when he piggy backed their wifi, rather than them simply not knowing that he was doing it. When he says 4 months in they're happy with it, I'll take the positive side rather than aiming evil intent of their child.
Our Professor for networking told a funny story in his lecture where he called his ISP to get some more IPs to use for his servers, and they tried selling him a bundle, to quote the customer rep: "This bundle includes a few addresses for different standards, IPv4, IPv5, IPv6, all in there" Needless to say he tried to hold back his laughter as much as he could.
I live in Ukraine and have a 1 gig optic internet in my condo that costs me around $8 monthly. No restrictions on connection speed, symmetrical channel, and great latency. One of the most significant upsides of going optic is that last winter, we had massive blackouts due to russian war, and the ONU terminal and my routers could be powered with a simple power bank so that I would have wifi even if the lights were out.
I hear ya.... my only options are 2 providers offering 25mbit, or 3 carriers offering 5g. And 5g doesn't work for shit in a fairly densely populated area. Especially since 5g home internet gets deprioritized in favor of mobile phones.
Anyone WHO says that theirs is too slow, than hear me Out: 1. My are where i live doesnt have any possible 4g 3g or 5g, and my DSL Provider Providers me with 2Mbits down and 453kbit Upload, and they are treathening to shut IT down + IT costs 80€ per month
Network engineer here 👏 Well done on simplifying yet staying super accurate with the topic. Makes me proud to be an LTT fanboy haha. Good job guys & gals!
I have to disagree here. It makes sense for us network engineers, but for beginners which is the target audience for this video it is way too fast paced. And for some topics the video just asumes you know some pretty complicated details
@@laurensjvg I think he explained and illustrated it well enough. What I have to disagree upon is the "I'm a content creator and I need that upload speed" point tho. Because if you live alone and want to upload a video a 250k connection will most likely already upload faster than your stuff is being rendered - which at the end of the day allows for workflows that go like "Let me upload this while I render the other video" pretty easily. Then again it never hurts to upgrade to a 1gig connection if someone enjoys creating content as in a lot of areas (my country for an example) a 250k connection isn't that much cheaper than a 1gig connection - which is especially unfunny if it's being thrown in your face all day while you're limited to 250k either way or if you don't need that much speed but still have to pay close to the full price either way.
@@Unknown_Geniuscontent creators don't only upload pre-recorded videos, they need fast and stable upstream for livestreaming. my 10Mbps upload is very unstable so i have to stream at 2.5Mbps 720p/30fps and it still has problems. upload absolutely counts for streaming.
@@protowave I mentioned that a 250k connection is enough and a 1gig isn't needed for that particular case. 10mbps up is a 50k connection (at least here), which is definitely too slow for streaming one way or the other.
I'm on 1gbps NBN service with Aussie broadband. I get 960mbps from Steam using a TPlink router with cat 5e cabling on a I7-7700k 4 core CPU. I don't get why you need a modern CPU to get steam throughput at 1gbps and above. I'm using stuff that came out 2016-2017 and it's just fine. In fact Steam, PSN, UA-cam and Akamai serve up at 1gbps with little problem. The only thing I'd agree with LTP is the fact that smart TV's, even Samsung 4k panels from 2020 were packed with 10mbps lan interfaces. Absolute pain in the ass to stream on the Lan to the TV at greater the 10mbps. Now that would be a video, some sort of box that I can stream to from my plex server and connect via HDMI to my TV
@chugs1984 brother it's not the consumer hardware that's the issue, it's the national network infrastructure You're just lucky to be in like the top 1% if you have near gigabit
@@Vincentoist yeah people are like "what are you talking about i have gigabit" meanwhile they are one of like 9 dudes in the country with it, and everyone else is stuck with 25mbps.
ISPs operate a cartel in my town. Every ISP offers ADSL 8mb to every household. But each ISP serves certain post codes with no overlap fast cable or fibre. They specifically make it so you can technically shop around but you can't specifically shop for fast internet, you only have one choice dependant upon where you live.
We just got fiber like 2 years ago (doesn't feel like it) but before all we had was 3mbps DSL (that often gave to .7-1.5mbps). Thing is CenturyLink only sold "High Speed internet. *If you don't get those speeds your SOL. So I had to pay 80$ a month for DSL that could only handle UA-cam at 360p. Big ISPs are a joke.
I work for a large European ISP. Our "Gigabit" tariff (1.000Mbs UP/200Mbs DOWN) costs about 80€ in Germany whereas the same contract in Slovakia costs only 30€ and has 100 Mbs more upload speed. The reason for this is that Slovakia has had a well-developed fiber optic network for many years, while in more western parts of Europe (e.g. Germany) the old DSL (copper) network was maintained for years, which now has to be painstakingly and cost-intensively converted to fiber optics. The ISPs of course pass this price on to their customers. In my opinion, it is cheeky that symmetrical tariffs are only available for business customers, even though the connection is technically no different from a "normal" household connection. The limitation here is purely digital, simply because ISPs can afford it as they have the upper hand.
I dont know because I dont work for the ISP but doesnt it have to do with the income people have in those countries. The netto income in slovakia is almost halve of that of germany so 10 euros will probably the extra cost and the rest is just market price.
@@xXxJakobxXx3fibre obviously. Especialy as he mentioned Germany, where the TV Kabel connected households are in a very clear minority. For the vast majority its either DSL via the old phone lines, or fibre straight to the house.
To be slightly fair to the ISPs, while the fibre cable and Tech inside the house can handle symmetrical gigabit upload just fine, it does require additional capacity in both the local splitters and fibre nodes, which cost more to build and more to run via higher energy costs. The ISPs are far more scummy with their marketing BS for selling most people the gigabit down though, as maybe 1% of customers can even take advanatge of that, let alone benfit.
The biggest problem with that is not having any actual alternative in many areas. Govt needs to step in and either build the infrastructure and have price caps
Anyone WHO says that theirs is too slow, than hear me Out: 1. My are where i live doesnt have any possible 4g 3g or 5g, and my DSL Provider Providers me with 2Mbits down and 453kbit Upload, and they are treathening to shut IT down + IT costs 80€ per month
"Try the various ISPs" is such a foreign concept in much, if not most, of the US. Our choices are usually between 1 cable, 1 DSL, or 1 Satellite provider. Often, only two of those three. Although 5G internet services are becoming more popular in the larger metro areas.
Yup, I have many choices but it really comes down to two choices in terms of who owns the network. Where I am, I can choose either a very high bandwidth ISP but has been plagued with high latency issues for the past year, or a very low bandwidth ISP that people have said would do better with latency. There is a third option, but that's Starlink so I'll skip that. I've been trying to rectify this with my ISP's frontline customer support. Unfortunately, their procedure happens to bounce me back and forth like volleyball. When they added a charge to my bill for a yet another unfruitful technician visit, that was the straw that broke the camel's back. Luckily, in Canada, there's the CCTS, which an independent organization all ISPs must fund that mediate complaints. Did that at the beginning of the year, and after two more months, they finally got it fixed (for me). Anyway, I'm still very rusty with FPS gaming but that skill restoration is still in progress.
I can dig it. I had no real option because of how remote I live which was DSL. Apparently, I'm the last property the repeater was able to barely connect to. I measured upload and downloads in Kps. As of about 4 months ago, I got Starlink. Tremendous difference! I turned on and played stuff on my Roku, Chromebook, desktop and both iPhones and ran stuff simultaneously ... IT WAS FUN! and still is 8)
As an isp technician this video is great. Sales teams are constantly convincing ppl to pay for a more expensive service you don't Ned especially the elderly who dont comprehend this Great video must watch Gonna start showing this to my customers
To me, the biggest benefit of fiber internet isn't how fast its maximum download speeds are, but that your upload speed tends to be just as fast as download speeds, and how insanely conistent and low-latency it is. Most content on the internet doesn't require enormous amounts of bandwidth to view (seems that 4K streaming caps out below 40 Mbps in some cases), but if there's something wonky interfering with your device's ability to send requests to websites or services (like having really high ping and/or low upload speeds, which does appear with cable-based internet, or for people in rural areas with DSL), stuff feels *sloow*. I don't view that it's all about raw speed, rather that eliminating bottlenecks or other problems that lead to inconsistency holds the most importance.
Your thesis is that fast upload speeds decrease ping/jitter? I dunno, sounds plausible. Posting from Washington DC using Verizon FiOS where they have a fiber connection into the home (tho I did upgrade my router to make it faster after a few years using their now obsolete router).
@@raylopez99What? That's not what they said. The entire reason fiber to the home reduces latency and jitter is because there is less processing happening between you and your ISP, and in some cases, none.
@@raylopez99It does in a way. Most connections tend to experience a lot of problems with latency/jitter as upload reaches saturation. This is especially problematic with cable connections where they can absolutely skyrocket as upload gets maxed out. Using 10Mbps upload on a connection with 100Mbps upload capacity > using 10Mbps upload on a connection with 10Mbps upload capacity every time. Whether it's a legitimate maximum of the circuit tech that you're using or a throttle in place by your ISP (often accomplished by dropping packets to slow you down to keep you at/under the cap). Even on enterprise dedicated fiber at work we cap our interfaces just below the circuit capacity. E.g. if it's a 500/500 meg dedicated circuit we'll cap it at 490/490 meg to avoid the latency increase that occurs when we hit the actual 500 meg capacity.
Yeah when I had fiber that was the benefit for sure. I mean, fast game downloads and whatnot was great but the stable, bilateral connection was amazing for everything from games in-game and out, zip files that have a throttled speed otherwise, stability, mass data fetching... It was nice. I def could use something faster given what I'm paying now for something less than 1/10th the speed lol
I had a drop in cost going from 100/10 meg cable to 960/880 meg fiber when FiOS became available. I was paying $98 for the cable, which was scheduled to increase to $135 (before fees, so likely over $140) the following month, and the fiber was $80 all-in. In the 7 years since the fiber cost has gone up a whopping $4, while cable was increased at least $5-10/month every 6 months.
I was paying Comcast $125/mo for gigabit. They remove download caps for their gigabit service. I was getting 900mbps down and only 50mbps upload. Moved to the new local fiber company who offered 2.5gbit. I now pay $120/mo for 2400 down and 2450 up. Even I know I don't need that. But apparently they lock me in for lifetime pricing, so hopefully it never changes? If I'm paying $120/mo for 2.5gbit in 10 years I'll be a happy boy.
just be careful you didn't sign up for a teaser rate. I got an offer recently to "save $10 a month for faster internet", except after 12 months it would have essentially doubled. I also had my ISP once "upgrade" my service without asking or telling me from 30mbps to 100mbps. Fast forward to the teaser rate expiring and my internet went from about $50/mo. to over $100/mo. I tried to get them to down grade me to what I had before, except wouldn't you know it that plan was no longer offered. TL;DR Be wary of "deals" when it comes to ISPs
I worked at ATT as a technician and I would often suggest to customers to get the half a gig or even a quarter of a gig plans if they only intended to use the WIFI just general Internet use. Even half a gig is more than enough for most families.
Here in Switzerland the ISP which provides an 10Gbps Uplink is way cheaper than the ISP which provodes an 500mbps Uplink. The 10Gbps are 50$ cheaper a month. Thats just insane.
In Germany, and probably Switzerland as well, currency symbols are almost always placed after the number. We also use a comma instead of a period as our decimal separator. Thus, 19,99 € is how we would write €19.99. Just to explain to why someone whose native language isn't English might put the currency symbol after the actual number. @@brendanr1525
That's good to hear. It's just a bit sad that regular mobile providers have astronomical prices for a single MiB if someone crosses the border, so it gave me the impression you guys had under average speeds.
@@brendanr1525 this is not only petty but also not true. Yes, most of the English speaking woorld tend to place the currency sign before the number but most others put it after. This is not gramatically incorrect nor is it important.
@@AL5520 It might not be grammatically wrong but it looks kinda stupid when everyone online writes it the same way. Not sure if it's worth writing a comment about tho. Btw you misspelled grammatically which is kinda ironic lol
Went down this rabbit hole ages ago, I had gigabit without issues for a long time, then they bumped up speeds for the same price. Already had a system that supported 2.5GbE, ended up getting a new switch with a couple 2.5GbE ports, and SFP+ ports, eventually built my own router with a box from Aliexpress and OpenWRT. Wifi devices go through 1GbE link, but that's honestly fine for those devices, they're limited due to outside factors. While I could save money going down to lower speeds, it's not a huge amount of savings unless someone disrupts the duopoly in my neighborhood. Most demanding thing I use is probably hosting a few game servers, and downloading stuff
I was tech support for a major ISP and had someone call in, home with 10 people living in it, had ISP router. Had 65 devices connected, I told them to look for a MIMO router ours couldn't handle that lol
There is also one thing missed, the ISP's own uplink/downlink is also shared and its usually planned at 40~50% of the capacity sold. Which means that at peak times if everyone is trying to get their files downloaded you will not get the advertised speed.
Wasn't that only true with coax cable tho? I used to experience that back when coax was the standard, but once it was updated to fibre, now I have even more bandwidth than what I paid for, at any time of the day. (500mbps paid, get almost 600 on avg)
Only places with shitty infrastructure does that. ISP's around here have to guarantee your speed. So even at peak hours, you get the bandwidth that you're paying for, all the time. I've had 1gbit for the past 15 years for ~40€ a month, it has always performed when asked to. I lived in Ireland for a year a long time ago, and that was the first time i ran into what you're talking about, and it was garbage. I do not know if they're still doing it that way, but i hope not. I think they called it contention ratio or something.
That depends on what you're off plan you have. If you're plan is a "dedicated" plan you will get whatever speed you are paying for at any time. If it isn't dedicated then you're paying for an "up to" speed which sets a hard limit at your max, but could she down during high traffic times.
@@Lukeb53 The 'hard limit' isn't really so hard, even from crappy ISPs. You'll generally get speeds at least 20-30% faster than the advertised limit out of peak times. They tend to have enough bandwidth so that you get advertised 'up to' speeds most of the time... at least in large metropolitan areas with other ISPs to choose from.
That is incorrect. A regular residental connection, if your connections slows down during peak hours. That is because the ISP isn't allocating enough bandwidth to that DSLAM. In the late 80's when ADSL was introduced, we got a 256/128 connection. But it was possible to get up to a 1mbit, but that was really expensive, like ~100€ a month. This pissed people off when they got home from work, wanting to use their expensive connection and then realize it was not working as advertised. The government agreed that if you were paying for 1mbit or any speed. You should also receive that regardless of what time of day it is. People can't change their working hours to accommodate the ISP's, the ISP's should accommodate the customer. ISP's know when the demand is highest, so they should adjust accordingly and make sure that bandwidth is available, so it became a law. Problem forever solved, everyone gets what they're paying for at all times and that has worked perfectly for +25 years.
here in Italy it costs basically nothing to get more if you got ftth available you get 1GigDown/100Mbs(or300Mbs) costs like 25€/month if you are reached by also 10gigs/2gigs it costs 35€/month last time i checked WHICH IS INSANE LOOKING AT THE COSTS IN GERMANY AND SWITZERLAND
Don't call out Switzerland here :) I also got a 10gbit/s connection for 35 CHF. 1gbit/s you can easily get between 20-40chf depending on the provider and sale.
I gotta say, here in germany, when you're using mobile data, you'll be happy to even reach some speed at some places (on the train tracks there's literally a few kilometers where you won't even get telephone connection). But at home it's fine but it's 75€ a month for fiber ;-; (1Gbps down, 500Mbps up)
Brings me back to running my own IRC server many years ago, off of a regular residential cable internet connection, thought it was cool as hell but man was it ever slow once users started sharing files, which was pretty crazy since the server was specifically for South park and sharing episodes. Guess that even bringing up IRC kinda shows my age lol
how did file sharing between users hog your server or connection down? file sharing in IRC is done though DCCs, which are peer to peer and doesn't traverse the server itself.
@@taldmdbest benefit of the doubt I can give is maybe they also ran a local xdcc bot. I did that, and I had to limit concurrent downloads to 1 and queue the rest while throttling the bot.
@taldmd i should have clarified it wasnt the actual downloads that slowed it down, once there were file sharing bots setup the amount of users shot through the roof, went from maybe 20 peak users to a few hundred, really not sure if it was limitations of my connection or limitations of my computer, i think maybe i was asking a bit much from that old pentium2
Our internet is definitely overkill 99% of the time (3Gbps U/D). The next step down was 1.5Gbps, I recall, but for only about $10 less, and we WOULD use more than that on some occasions, so we went with slightly more expensive option. But the thing was, this was after the ISP (Bell) overhauled the local infrastructure for proper Fibre connections, so our old connection multiplied in speed about 10x for the same price. After being annoyed for years over buffering (esp. when multiple people were downloading or streaming 4K at the same time), it was a huge quality of life jump. So maybe we're paying a bit more for speed we'll mostly not take advantage of, but we really don't ever want to go back to the irritation of having videos buffering or defaulting to lower resolution just because several other people are heavily using it at the same time. Plus, uploading a 4K/60 video about as fast as I can write a description and fill out tags for is very satisfying, to say nothing of downloading a 100GB game to an NVMe drive in the time it takes to go the bathroom and get a drink. It technically bottlnecks around 1.2Gbps (probably the drive, it's good, but not an epic drive, my computer is also is limited by its port, capping around 2.4Gbps on a speed test) without having to worry about anyone else in the house having their connection noticeably get worse, which it might with the slower connection option. Call it futureproofing, or wasteful, but it is satisfying.
I’m with the same company bell fibe and they got fast internet for residential I’m always lower than 15 of ping got the 3gbs and even running a truenas server with it, it cost me 70$ a month just for internet but worth it
The difference between like 8 megabytes to over a hundred is absolute insanity, I had gigabyte connection for a about a year, not realizing just how overkill it was for my situation. Still internet is expensive in the USA.
It does seem like internet providers are using decoy strategies to encourage people to pay more. E.g. release 2 or more products, but the most expensive is more cost effective per metric, per dollar. For example, 2 gbps at.. $100 USD vs 1 gbps at $80 usd. Some people would pay more. Others would think that 1 gbps is good enough.
@@AstralDragnInternet was expensive in Canada too, though with the new connections we have it's now pretty darn good. We used to spend a bit over $100 CDN for something like 120Mbps (and something like 25 up). Then suddenly we were paying a little bit more and that and getting like 20x the speed and with parity for upload. In general, I've noticed that speeds have been getting better much faster lately. It's the same with phone data.
The truth is only those with Gigabit speeds can say "Speed is overrated". Linus OBVIOUSLY has 10Gb Ethernet and 2.5Gb wireless, while his Garage must have access to speeds many would only dream about. MANY nations have VERY poor Internet speeds due to outdated technologies such as ADSL (Phone line internet). Moving up to FTTH (Fiber To The Home) is a game-changer and eye-opener. That said, practically speaking, for a home with about 4 to 6 Internet users, 100 To 300 Mbps is MORE than enough. For a Family of 2 to 3, even 100mbps is enough. As pointed out in the video, the devil is in the details. Latency, Jitter, Routing, and Ping times are WAY More determining factors in a good internet experience than just speed. Hence, it is the QUALITY that matters more than Quantity. The thing is MANY internet users have been getting these speeds only recently. Not just because of recent technology upgrades but also because of the sheer availability of new technologies as well as affordability. Once Fiber Internet users become a little wiser, they might realize that they do not need very high speeds. Then they will have to begin the negotiations with the ISP to switch to a lower-priced, lower-speed plan.
Not only should you supply a router that can achieve those speeds, but you should also allow people to bring their own. I need my tailscale tunnel to terminate at the router so my firewall applies to the incoming traffic.
Out of curiosity, how fast is your dl speed when downloading off direct dl links ? And from Steam ? I have 2 Gb/s fiber which is already awesome but I'm wondering if 10Gb/s is worth the additional cost (I already have SSDs)
The one time I had a bandwidth issue with cable was actually because my computer was uploading a backup, which made everyone else's internet stop working (including Netflix). So the upload part can be a big deal.
Qos can help you with that kinda stuff btw. You need to prioritise the ack packets upstream above all else. That'll broadly stop an upload from killing downloads and won't noticeably slow the upload.
Fibre to home was put into our neighborhood about two years ago. Switched from 120 Mbs down / 10 up cable to 3.0 Gig connection. Notice huge difference in upload speed and latency while gaming.
Not here in Austria's countryside. Since phone plans historically have been cheaper here than in other countries, many switched to LTE (and later 5G) for internet, which often comes with highly variable and downright slow speeds especially during prime time. Due to that rush on LTE there was almost no financial incentive to focus on fiber to the home expansion in many places, which now sucks a lot. Just now a new apartment building is getting finished near my house and despite my hopes, nobody seemed to have seen this as a good reason to use the already open road to place some fiberglass cables in the ground.
Most of the time, they don’t lay fiber cables; they just install empty conduits for adding things later. But as usual, they forget about it and end up having to cut the road open again to install these conduits, which causes the road to deteriorate faster. Now, the road is so damaged that it needs to be resurfaced again.
I remember being on a 5mb broadband connection; was the only thing available for the longest time, and I would have to download games a day or two in advance. Definitely don't miss it.
Hey, you don't need to run Ethernet _in_ the walls to benefit. I simply spent ~20 euros to buy a long Ethernet cable, another 2 euros to buy a 100-pack of those nice little cable clips for walls, and then I routed it in a nice hidden path all the way to the living room. Then a little switch (another 20 euros?), and now everything in the living room has 1gigabit wired ethernet. Even the Samsung TV which, well, probably can't use it, but at least it's not adding to congestion in the WiFi channel space. :P (And being in Europe, with competition in the ISP market, I pay 28 euro a month for the gigabit fiber connection that feeds all this. :P )
This. ^^^ While having Ethernet in the walls sounds nice, (1) it's pretty unrealistic for many/most people to get a place that has that, (2) it's quite a bit of unneeded work to install yourself (if it's even possible, and that's not just an issue for renters,) and (3) it means that upgrading those Ethernet cables, should you ever need to, is going to be even MORE work. Just get however many cables you need, in a color that blends in with your walls/trim, and run them along corners and edges as needed. Done, with less hassle and easier upgrades. And if anyone has the audacity to complain about how it looks (presuming you weren't just sloppy with it,) just block their access to your wifi until they apologize. (Or until they leave. It's a win either way.)
**Cries in $130 CAD a month for gigabit internet**.....or I would be if I didn't have a permanent $50 discount, but even at $80 it's still nuts and to think there are people out there shelling out the $130. Luckily the house I live in was built only 3 years ago and being a more modern house, it came with ethernet already built in to the walls.
Here, in Spain, you can get 10Gbps for 30€, Router with WiFi 7 from TP-Link, pretty good router tbh, and they advertise to you, that you must use a Thunderbolt or 10Gb ports
@@MeistroBurger It is all about competition. Where I live there is really only one ISP that can deliver fiber, and DSL or WIFI is poor due to distances. But I hope it will be more competition on existing infrastructure in the future. Paying 70€ for 300/300 now, but with free competition I suppose Gigabit will be available for same or lower price. Anyway I will not complain, I live on an island 50km from the nearest city so we just recently got proper broadband with isp, muncipality and government sponsoring..
This is definitely a problem with UA-cam and might not be your ISP. Some videos are much slower to load/buffer and occasionally freeze at a certain point and won't load more (particularly common on new uploads). I used to think it was on my end but it's definitely not after some experimentation and UA-cam's backend/hosting definitely isn't treating all videos the same.
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So i did the math on this recently - I have gigabit right now, and in the price of gigabit, the mandatory isp router rental is included. if i downgraded to 500 meg, i would have to pay for the mandatory isp router rental ... which would make it...the same price. their next tier down is under 100 meg. It is more economical for me, in my location, with my isp... to stay at gigabit. Footnote: the router rental is mandatory, but you can just leave it in the box - i actually use a mikrotik
It really depends on location. For years I had to use mobile connection with astonishing speeds from 2 to 22 Mbit/s (depending on weather and time of the day), though with unlimited data plan. Then finally last year I got an option to get fiber connected to my house. Now I have symmetrical 1Gb/s, and it costs $25 ($10 for the first 6 months) - the same as my old mobile connection btw, the offer I got was $20 for 300Mbit/s, $22 for 600Mbit/s, and $25 for 1Gbit/s. I took the fastest one and had to replace all my internet cables, route new cables to every room, and buy new router and two switches. It was worth it. I feel like I've started a new life
For my household, 250 Mbit is $50, 500 Mbit is $60, and gigabit is $80 and comes with special treatment compared to other residential customers, like provisioning to use my own firewall instead of the ISP provided router. It's kind of a no-brainer.
Where I live, it's illegal to force you to buy a specific router if your own one is technically compatible with the technology they use. They have to give you any login/connection details required to connect and if they use a MAC whitelist they must add yours to the list if you provide it. Living in an apartment building the connection is sold to the entire building and then you can purchase additional speed if needed. In my building the 50Mbps connection is already included in the utility/rent. It's $15/month for the 1 gigabit. Ethernet cabling is required by code for all buildings built in the past 20 years or so.
@@TheOneAndOnlyOuuo I would love to have the option to upgrade. I only get 25 Mbps up/down and of course I was also told I could get my own plan then moving in, turns out I don't.
I see it as another way. Here in italy 1gb fiber isn't that much more expensive than regular 100mbps copper. BUT by getting fiber whenever possible we contribute to the internet companies that we do want faster internet, so they see the statistics and they are pushed to lay more fiber and heck, even more copper because in cities sure, there's good enough internet, but you go outside of a city and not even 4g reaches, which is tragic. We NEED internet companies to see we want faster internet even if we don't use it all, because we want internet companies to expand the service to the whole country and not be in single cities.
Problem is because of competition. Most cable providers will give you upload speeds that are out of ratio, so 300mbps gives me 15mbps here, and 1gbps to 30mbps. That extra 15mbps is massive when doing backup uploads twice a week.
Eh, we pay basically the same price (~£30/month) for FTTH as we did for broadband which was - at best - about 5 meg, often less than 1 meg. It might be faster than we need, but I do have an ethernet connection to my desktop and M.2 SSD storage so I do actually take advantage of the speed. Also when the option in my area was "shitty and unreliable" or "amazingly fast with very little downtime" for virtually the same price, it's a no-brainer. The installation fee was covered by a government grant. The downside was digging a trench for the cable to run down, but that only took me and my dad about three afternoons.
I've side graded from a 240Mb/s coaxial with a lots of problems (would go down for a few minutes multiple times a week, sometimes I would spend weeks without being able to connect to a specific service and so on) to a 150Mb/s fiber to the home, sometimes when torrenting or downloading steam games I missed the extra speed, mostly in the beginning, but now I'm used to it and just the fact that it's being 2 years since I had to call the ISP for problems is so great, I haven't streamed anything with this connection but the times I streamed in the old connection I had a pretty bad experience.
I constantly hear customers saying "I told my kids to stop gaming, but my streaming is still bad when I'm downloading on my iPad" or "My super geek friend said streaming doesn't use any internet, and gaming needs tons"... I'd love to see a usage comparison between services like Netflix, Disney, and UA-cam against games like COD, CS2, and Minecraft with 4 players. People flip when I inform them how much these games need. I've got a particular customer I've nicknamed "Minecraft" in our system, they regularly complain they have issues in certain servers. I eventually ended up having to go on site and see what they're doing... They'd been hosting and playing modded Minecraft on 2012 Macbooks; i5 dual core, 4gb of ram. Showing them activity monitor, they quickly quoted a forum post they'd read that blamed the internet and that "the processor had to cache to missing frames in the memory to wait for the internet to catch up" and that was why the cpu and ram were maxed out...
I think fast internet is more about parallel connections. Its really not about a single client utilizing the full bandwith (or at least not for most people). We are a family of 6. Both of us (the parents) works from home. The kids are also gaming and have multiple devices and sometimes our parents stay in the guest house. 1 single stream is nothing, but when 4 kids stream in 4K, my dad uploads family photos and my wife downloads Helldivers 2, I have to still have a reasonably good bandwith to work and have teams meetings with video.
Totally, but even in your scenario you would likely be fine with 500mbs down. 4 4k streams will be under 250mbs max, downloading a game is the real issue as that can pull as much bandwidth as you can give it. Even still, you could lock the download speed to 150mbs, and still have another 100 for your teams and work stuff. uploading photos wouldn’t affect your download bandwidth either. I do agree tho, for an extra $20 a month spread across a whole family of people it’s too easy to have full gig internet and really doesn’t cost THAT much.
Still don't need gigabit for that. Four 4K streams ... isn't that much, and Zoom/Skype is vastly less. Playing games online is almost nothing. A game download may or may not take advantage of everything you give it, but setting up QoS (Quality of Service) in your router to prioritize the Zoom/Skype would solve that.
@@MTGeomancer Even if 1Gbps isn't necessary, it's pretty much the standard if you want FTTH. And having a real fiber connection is a big deal because the latency is much slower and way more consistent
This is why I have a 100 Mbps connection. And I actually wrote a guide to our local community who sell the internet connection, how low a connection speed actually is needed for a single family or person based on common uses, topping out at 300 Mbps for a family of 4, with 2 gaming kids, 4K streaming on a TV along with 2 cellphones browsing along.
One other thing to consider is your packages download limit. Many of the fastest packages (while you may not need or use the full speed) allow for unlimited download. While the slower packages may have a download limit per month and could end of costing you more in overage fees if you download a lot a data per month.
What do you mean test run multiple local ISPs. Do they not have monopolies in Canada like they do in the US? Most places I've seen here you get one cable/fiber option, 2 satellite options, and maybe a couple DSL options.
Other countries have network owners and retailers separate. Australia, new Zealand and the UK all operate that model, they span their national networks out to be private companies that lease lines back to retailers. It keeps the market more competitive as the wholesaler is regulated and the retailers have competition keeping them in line. Unfortunately the line is the expensive but making up most of.yoir bill so it's not all that profitable to be a retailer anymore.
I'm in the US and have the options between Comcast/Xfinity and Verizon FiOS. Could be DSL, but I honestly haven't even looked into that (DSL is always abysmal).
@@MTGeomancer but in the US each provider own the cables and service, other regions don't operate like that. I pay a retailer who leases the line from a network owner. If I want to change I simply ring a new retailer and change using the same line. Regulations here say the network owners can not offer retail services to end users which means you get choice and competitive pricing.
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I'm normally not critical of linus... But how the heck are you supposed to "Try various local ISPs to see who has the lowest ping to your favorite games..."?? Like what so I would go to each of my ISPs and say "yes i would like 1 week of service... Then i will cancel you and go to another service... Then maybe i'll come back..." Who the eff is going to do that, the amount of effort to gain maybe a little better ping? I just think this is and i don't think this is the right phrase but just so outta touch from the consumer space, yeah sure shop around in business, you're going to have a back up anyways and it probably should be on another ISP, but a consumer to get multiple ISPs is such a massive headache i wouldn't want to even think about it.
What about offsite-backups? If you follow the 3-2-1 rule, if you don't want to physically move HDDs around (or similar), you probably upload them to some remote server. Depending on how much data you produce and back up, that can be a lot. And then there's the initial backup. In my case I would backup 2TB with a 50 mbit/s down 10 mbit/s up connection, it would take about 3-4 weeks. Ordering a HDD, copying the files, and shipping it to a remote location would be way faster.
you'd be surprised how much data you can move with a slow connection. Even a 10Mbit connection is going to be plenty for most backups. Unless you are literally running a datacenter in your home, or you need VERY up to date backups. Even a modest 100Mbit connection is going to serve you well. You just need to get the first initial backup finished on site, so that way you're only moving maybe 10GB a day. Which should only take like 10-20 minutes.
For a home network something like 300Mbps is plenty, everyone can upload their backups in one night, and an average user doesn't create 1TB of data every months
we are in that unlucky position that we only get 10Mbit up at one of our locations AND we have to backup critical machines to another site. Realistically, we max out at around 100 gigs per day when we have to initially push something new across. Our daily load is about 10 gigs but since a 10Mbit connection pushes around 1,25MB max, this takes a little closer to 2,5h in reality rather than 10-20 minutes. This being said, I am convinced most small to mediumish organisations could even do perfectly well with a 100/50 connection given they put a bit of thought into which services in what extent they really need
I have a proper symmetric gigabit fiber to home ISP and run my own VPN server, all my remote internet usage goes through it, uses my own DNS server w/ pihole-like functionality, and HTTP/HTTPS caching. It's a very nice experience, but overall the biggest reason I'll probably stick with my current plan is for the >10ms latency and ability to transfer large files (1-10GB) remotely to/from my devices without being severely bandwidth limited by a crappy ass cable connection that can barely handle 10Mbps upload.
This is my first year studying IT. They way Linus broke down considerations was so cool cause he was basically stating them in something called the OSI protocols that I had learnt in networking. There's 7 layers and when trouble shooting you start from the First Layer, the physical layer that is ethernet connections. And you work your way up the layers until you get to the last layer, The Application layers where he spoke about those servers being bottle necks. It was so cool being able to link these up with what i learnt. It felt cool. Networking is cool asf
@@jlllx Wdym its quality product, with an upfront price. People who can afford it buy it. You act like they get nothing or shit quality stuff in return. This ain't no twitch dono
@@jlllx I buy good quality stuff from people who care about their product. Never did we even say we were going to purchase it, just simply asked a question. Maybe some of us just like seeing the company grow.
Before my area had fibre optic internet (we never had access to cable), I was able to play most online games on DSL until around 2018. Downloading a modern game would sometimes take three days, though.
Wtf are those prices ? In France you get subscription for 2GB/s download and 1GB/s upload for as low as 15€ (22 $CAD) per month. And you can even found cheaper subscription with "Only" 1 GB/S download and 700 MB/s upload. + The ISP install everything in your house for FREE + free Router and TV subscription.
@@Elijah1573It isn't a mystery why it's expensive. Half is because the United States is huge. To put it in perspective, the US and the entirety of Europe are close to the same size (3,531,905 sq miles versus 3,910,680 for Europe). The other half is American telecoms are allowed to have monopolies. They're legally allowed to have agreements with cities that no one else can move in. This doesn't apply to all areas. For example I have access to both Comcast and Verizon FiOS so they actually have to compete. Still, it's $44/month for 300 Mbps and $75/month for Gigabit.
Alot of Cable companies that use Docsis on an HFC (Hybrid Fiber Coaxial) service are doing a mid or even high split running on higher frequencies and moving the return chs to lower frequencies to get semetric up and down speeds over pre existing cables. And eventually moving to Docsis 4.0. Most currently use 3.1 or 3.0 docsis. An HFC network is pretty cool and useful and more reliable then some may think when they think coax is and outdated cable. You can push 10 Gb over its the headend sending it out and the user end receiving it. It's ever changing and very interesting and is my job so I'm boas to it
Even setting aside the question of latency over copper vs fiber for long runs, there's a big difference between what the standard allows and what the ISPs will actually do. History has shown time and time again that ISPs will only put in the minimum effort required, even when doing so ends up costing them more in the long run. People overwhelmingly prefer fiber because the connection is inherently symmetric; you don't have to play games with channel allocation to get it to work that way. Fiber connections are more stable, have generally lower latency, and are *far* less likely to get ACK-choked, all other factors being equal.
It's awesome how far existing standards can be pushed, but AFAIK DOCSIS equipment is much more expensive than GPON, and DOCSIS upgrades can necessitate cabling upgrades too, so I think it will be phased out eventually. If you have to dig, might as well put in cheaper fibreoptic cable.
Only problem with the upload argument is that residential docsis 3.1 usually maxes out at 40mbps. That's...that's nothing. If I backup a Linux iso to my NAS, and then have that backed up to the cloud, that could take like a whole day, unless I'm talking a compressed h.265 Linux iso. Even youtube will ingest faster than 40mbps. And with the issues of wifi calling, zoom, work from home, etc., a few people uploading at the same time will basically kill your upload allowance immediately. I can't get ftth, so I'm the mercy of xfinity bringing docsis 4.0 to my home. I want it. I want it bad. My NAS demands it.
Laughs in gig connection, no restrictions, full fiber all the way into the router, only for 6 euro/month. Romania guys! --Btw, why is internet and mobile so expensive and so slow on other parts of the world? Unlimited 5G gig mobile only 11 euro here (also unlimited everything else and some good amount of roaming data), pretty good coverage.
Bro thats FAST AS HELL, i usually get 500KBs on average, 1MB if im really lucky.. One time the wifi blessed me with 60MB a second, but it only lasted an hour and i've been chasing that high ever siince lol
@@vinson3725I really don't know how people can have internet that bad in 2024 since Starlink came available, pretty much works anywhere in the world and gives you about ~200Mbps down and ~25Mbps up
glad you mentioned latency, it's the entire reason why we swapped to fiber, I went from about 70-80ms in my favorite game all the way down to a stable 24ms after swapping to fiber, plus the stability of fiber in my area is way better than the broadband stability
I worked for an ISP for 9 years. After a year you stop trying to keep people from updating to speeds they don't use. You basically go "oh you want that? Okay... Here you go. You'll never use it... But here you go"
same here. bigger number go brrr- and they refuse to drop any subs to streaming companies. they get addicted to the convenience of the bundle or 'the wife watches this one thing' so they end up paying loads for stuff they won't use. brave new world.
I switched from 100Mbit/s over 4G/5G to a fiber connection with the same speed and the difference was massive. Yes, I mostly got close to the promised speed over the air but I often had hickups or dips or a few minutes without a connection at all. With fiber, I ALWAYS get what I pay for (even 2-5% over it), 24/7, no dips below and a rock solid connection. I've since upgraded to 250down/100up and been never happier with my internet conncection.
Yeah exactly lol, I don't know how much we pay for it but like, you could get 5 Gbit/s here for maybe 30 bucks a month tops... we have 1 Gbit/s and with two full modern PCs connected over cable to the router, several phones, and up to two laptops, I mean, I wouldn't want to go lower than a couple hundred Mbit/s, since the scenario of, say, two people downloading games or other large file while others are trying to watch things or otherwise stress the network is actually very likely, especially since the modern world tends to have people going to work, school, etc. during about the same part of the day, and when you factor in errands and the tendency of us wanting to do things together spontaneously, it's not exactly rare for us to run into download bottlenecks rather than hardware bottlenecks with 1 Gbit/s.
What I've noticed is that, with old low-end devices, it is often the storage drives and local components that are the bottleneck(s) for the internet speed. I would even recommend locally limiting the max network speeds with those “dated” devices. Latency over top speed. Always.
Bottlenecks are important to consider, it's amazing how many people here in Australia pay a premium for the NBN but only have "Fibre to kerb" or "Fibre to node" which means they still use good old copper to make the final bridge, meaning a decent broadband connection can be just as fast. Then there is the subject of whether their usecase actually warrants NBN speed, or if they just blindly go for the fastest package they can afford... I know plenty of people who live on their own and could easily just use an unlimited data mobile plan and run off their phone's hotspot (I do this when I'm not gaming) but pay through the ass just so they have the knowledge that they are on the NBN
Let's not downplay the need for good NBN, but I agree that way too many people are on oversized plans. FTTN isn't bad per se in my opinion as long as you're getting the advertised speeds, but many never even test what they're getting and just assume they need the higher speeds.
@@lemster101 I'm not downplaying the need for a good nbn, just pointing out that many don't understand the bottle necks are are not getting what they think they are paying for... But I guess it's' nothing new for those you aren't tech savy,
Bro, I'm stuck with oldschool DSL at the moment, hoping to get starlink soon but right now the only service we can get is 5mb down 1mb up. Yay last mile customer. ATT won't run new cables out to our street. They're hoping we all cave and go full cellular. I would do unspeakable things for 100mb service...
5mbps is rough, hard to imagine for UA-cam. We had ATT 50mbit DSL up until about a year ago, and even that was bad. We only had an old ass phone line and had to have Cox run Coax to the house from the pole, so I thought we were gonna be stuck on DSL in a densely populated suburb between downtown Cleveland and the airport. I thought I read ATT advertising 50mbit DSL service to ANY existing phone line, and don't know why it wouldn't be possible on any existing line. Maybe it changed for you? If I'm wrong and you're truly stuck, my condolences and Starlink seems better than I would've expected if costs aren't crazy high. No idea if the latency is better than 5g modems, which I presume you can't get? Shit's awful if you're not close to downtown or in a wealthy market.
@@Demoralized88comcast won't run line because it doesn't make sense on investment. Which I totally get. It's unlikely that they would recoup their investment in installing the infrastructure even with federal funding help.
I work for my local ISP. It is incredible how often I inform customers that they simply do not need more than our base package (250x25 in our sub split areas, 250x50 in midsplit areas). I've only ever recommended gig service once. They frequently had 8 streaming devices going at the same time, a couple video calls over zoom at a time, and our MoCA tv service running in the background. Still, the only reason I recommended gig was for the upload speed for the video calls. (Package at the time was 1000x100.) I also want to point out that we can achieve the same residential speeds on copper as we can with fibre. We are upgrading everything to "mid split" which increases upload speed by 250% and we are slowly implementing "high split" as legacy cable TV is being phased out (old people not switching is the bottle neck here). This allows for our highest package to be 2Gb/s by 1Gb/s.
Do you mind explaining this further? I've always wanted to know more about why coax has so much worse upload speeds than fiber. I mean, obviously at a high level you can just say "those systems were designed for broadcast, not two-way communication" and that's probably true, but I'm wondering about details. In particular, since you mentioned upgrading existing coax networks to support higher upload speeds, what precisely is it that can be replaced/upgraded to enable higher upload speeds in a coax network? And how does old people refusing to switch away from their legacy cable hold this back?
Gigabit is $80 for me but it includes the top tier MAX subscription. Going down to 300 up and down was $20 less without the max subscription. So it’s a great deal. My ISP offers 2.5 and 5gb but I’d never need those.
You’re full of it though. I have gigabit internet and I’ve never seen a game download faster then 10mbps. Not through steam, or any other provider. Most platforms don’t have the servers to support those kinds of speeds because it’s expensive.
Great timing on this vid, just got gigabit connected. Have already sacked off the ISP provided EERO routers and am using my own ASUS router along with a 3 hub mesh which delivers 300+ Mbit in every room. All the important stuff is wired with ethernet so I think and feel that I've done this right and am getting the best out of my new connection. Am loving how fast updates and cloud syncing is now and of course full game & software downloads are just astonishingly fast. Overall I feel that my internet is now on the same level as my gaming PC instead of the bottleneck it was a few days ago.
In 25 Odd Years I have gone through 56K Dialup, ADSL, ADSL2 and FTTC, all of which still relies on the ancient copper in the ducts and over telegraph poles, still barely scraping 40Mbps Downstream, Too Fast has never been an issue. I'm not even out in rural UK, I'm in a Major town waiting for Openreach to get on with the FTTP Rollout and those pre-terminated cow-udder boxes to appear on the Telegraph Poles, still not scheduled to finish for a few more years. The Cost argument doesn't take into account the £20 a month that we are just paying in "line rental" regardless if I am using POTS for Voice or not. Quite Frankly I would be happy with an offering in the 100's of Mbps with the option to go to Gb Speeds.
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The how many chrome tabs can you open video is sooo old I thought it was new. Hh😅
Why? So you can have another tax write off?
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Torrent will benefit from it!
In Romania, soon(tm) we are gonna get 10Gigabit speed.
(yes im bragging with our new useless speed)
Linus: Your internet is too fast
Me: Watch the video in 360p
What's that i am at 144p
@@Assi_Kater Sometimes is not your internet, but youtube leaving your resolution at 144p for no reason.
Even with a slow internet 440p should be doable.
What is internet ?
Internet is so fast the video lowered in quality
@@emanuel_orozco_rodriguezI hate UA-cam's "Auto" quality setting so much. I'll check and it's at 360p with several minutes buffered ahead. Manually switching to 720p or 1080p results in a hitch in playback less than 0.5 seconds. Surely it could have just buffered that right from the start.
This was a very spot on and apt video. My parents are in a VERY rural area and the entire region just got fiber internet. They were shocked when I told them to do the 200 Mbps plan. They're not gaming and barely stream more than one thing at a time. They're still overpaying but I wanted them to have the headroom for the future and for when I visit with the kids. Four months in, they're more than happy with what they're paying for. (Plus, it let me install a wifi beam system to beam wifi out to my cabin a mile across the fields to my cabin on the neighboring land without them noticing.)
You had me in the first half, I ain't gonna lie.
What a guy/gal. Convincing your parents to get a bigger, more expensive connection, then they need. So that you can steal/leach off of it, without them knowing.
What a wonderful child they've raised.
I'm glad that you're proud of your self. Fingers crossed that they will also be, if they ever find out. And that you're own children don't turn out the same way.
"What goes around...", I guess.
@@soul0360Lol judging a family off of a single comment is cringe.
He talked to his parents down from what they were going to go for. Reading between the lines seems like they thought they needed to go full gigabit and he take them downwards, yes he did build some speed in for when the grand kids visit, the parents would surely help with entertaining them.
Yes they also added the beaming but maybe what was meant was that they didn't feel a drop in their quality when he piggy backed their wifi, rather than them simply not knowing that he was doing it.
When he says 4 months in they're happy with it, I'll take the positive side rather than aiming evil intent of their child.
@@soul0360 - Judgy McJudgeface making ASSumptions all over the place.
Our Professor for networking told a funny story in his lecture where he called his ISP to get some more IPs to use for his servers, and they tried selling him a bundle, to quote the customer rep:
"This bundle includes a few addresses for different standards, IPv4, IPv5, IPv6, all in there"
Needless to say he tried to hold back his laughter as much as he could.
What?! No IPv8??? Madness
Gimme that IPv5G
Can someone explain why it was funny?
@@ClearGalaxiesCustomer rep guy was being funny by including IPv5 as a Standard. IPv5 wasn't adopted as a Standards and were replaced by IPv6 iirc
@@WildRon You lost me.
I live in Ukraine and have a 1 gig optic internet in my condo that costs me around $8 monthly. No restrictions on connection speed, symmetrical channel, and great latency. One of the most significant upsides of going optic is that last winter, we had massive blackouts due to russian war, and the ONU terminal and my routers could be powered with a simple power bank so that I would have wifi even if the lights were out.
Stay safe!
You may also use power banks as UPS for regular routers :)
Glory to ukraine ! Even in hard times there is improvement in ukraine ❤️🩹 strenght to you
I have worse internet then a country in war 😮
Take care, Sir
I didn’t know 30 Mbps was too fast
hah try 4
@@abitofascientist I was going to reply "try 20" but you lose the hardest. My sympathies.
I hear ya.... my only options are 2 providers offering 25mbit, or 3 carriers offering 5g. And 5g doesn't work for shit in a fairly densely populated area. Especially since 5g home internet gets deprioritized in favor of mobile phones.
Go see if you're qualified for TMobile internet there's no reason to live with 30 anymore
bruh it is fast ,
Was not ready for that big butts cut
Me neither🗿
i farted
Yeah.. Insta PTSD
Even after reading your comment first I was not prepared
GyATTT
"Your Internet is Too Fast"
Me, living on German Countryside
"No, I don't think it is :)"
Same here. I see myself pretty lucky with my 100 MBits/s dsl speed.
@@koenigderbloecke9112same. probably for more money than the people with fiber are paying for 5x the speed too
@@koenigderbloecke9112 NEULAND JA
@@koenigderbloecke9112 wait you have bandwidth in the 3 digits?
Anyone WHO says that theirs is too slow, than hear me Out: 1. My are where i live doesnt have any possible 4g 3g or 5g, and my DSL Provider Providers me with 2Mbits down and 453kbit Upload, and they are treathening to shut IT down + IT costs 80€ per month
Network engineer here 👏
Well done on simplifying yet staying super accurate with the topic. Makes me proud to be an LTT fanboy haha. Good job guys & gals!
I have to disagree here. It makes sense for us network engineers, but for beginners which is the target audience for this video it is way too fast paced. And for some topics the video just asumes you know some pretty complicated details
@@laurensjvg I think he explained and illustrated it well enough.
What I have to disagree upon is the "I'm a content creator and I need that upload speed" point tho. Because if you live alone and want to upload a video a 250k connection will most likely already upload faster than your stuff is being rendered - which at the end of the day allows for workflows that go like "Let me upload this while I render the other video" pretty easily. Then again it never hurts to upgrade to a 1gig connection if someone enjoys creating content as in a lot of areas (my country for an example) a 250k connection isn't that much cheaper than a 1gig connection - which is especially unfunny if it's being thrown in your face all day while you're limited to 250k either way or if you don't need that much speed but still have to pay close to the full price either way.
@@laurensjvg I see your point. It feels simple, but it is difficult to put myself in the average consumer shoes . I get you .
@@Unknown_Geniuscontent creators don't only upload pre-recorded videos, they need fast and stable upstream for livestreaming. my 10Mbps upload is very unstable so i have to stream at 2.5Mbps 720p/30fps and it still has problems. upload absolutely counts for streaming.
@@protowave I mentioned that a 250k connection is enough and a 1gig isn't needed for that particular case. 10mbps up is a 50k connection (at least here), which is definitely too slow for streaming one way or the other.
"Your Internet is Too Fast"
*laughs in Australian*
FTTP here get 950mbs download
I'm on 1gbps NBN service with Aussie broadband. I get 960mbps from Steam using a TPlink router with cat 5e cabling on a I7-7700k 4 core CPU. I don't get why you need a modern CPU to get steam throughput at 1gbps and above. I'm using stuff that came out 2016-2017 and it's just fine.
In fact Steam, PSN, UA-cam and Akamai serve up at 1gbps with little problem.
The only thing I'd agree with LTP is the fact that smart TV's, even Samsung 4k panels from 2020 were packed with 10mbps lan interfaces. Absolute pain in the ass to stream on the Lan to the TV at greater the 10mbps.
Now that would be a video, some sort of box that I can stream to from my plex server and connect via HDMI to my TV
@chugs1984 brother it's not the consumer hardware that's the issue, it's the national network infrastructure
You're just lucky to be in like the top 1% if you have near gigabit
@@Vincentoist yeah people are like "what are you talking about i have gigabit" meanwhile they are one of like 9 dudes in the country with it, and everyone else is stuck with 25mbps.
Laughs in NZ. We've had 1gb down for 3 years at 99nzd/month. Usually, get between 50MB to 75MB down without effecting the 2-3 other heavy users.
ISPs operate a cartel in my town. Every ISP offers ADSL 8mb to every household. But each ISP serves certain post codes with no overlap fast cable or fibre. They specifically make it so you can technically shop around but you can't specifically shop for fast internet, you only have one choice dependant upon where you live.
You can and should report them to your state's attorney general, what they're doing is illegal and you can stop it.
@Voltaic_Fire you assume that it's illegal where they live.
We just got fiber like 2 years ago (doesn't feel like it) but before all we had was 3mbps DSL (that often gave to .7-1.5mbps). Thing is CenturyLink only sold "High Speed internet. *If you don't get those speeds your SOL. So I had to pay 80$ a month for DSL that could only handle UA-cam at 360p. Big ISPs are a joke.
@@LetrixAR If it's the US, and it sounds like it is, then it is illegal. It is also illegal in the UK and Australia.
That's honestly better than mine, they don't hide it, they are a monopoly. Back in the 50s, they were started as a regulated phone utility monopoly.
I work for a large European ISP.
Our "Gigabit" tariff (1.000Mbs UP/200Mbs DOWN) costs about 80€ in Germany whereas the same contract in Slovakia costs only 30€ and has 100 Mbs more upload speed.
The reason for this is that Slovakia has had a well-developed fiber optic network for many years, while in more western parts of Europe (e.g. Germany) the old DSL (copper) network was maintained for years, which now has to be painstakingly and cost-intensively converted to fiber optics. The ISPs of course pass this price on to their customers.
In my opinion, it is cheeky that symmetrical tariffs are only available for business customers, even though the connection is technically no different from a "normal" household connection. The limitation here is purely digital, simply because ISPs can afford it as they have the upper hand.
I dont know because I dont work for the ISP but doesnt it have to do with the income people have in those countries. The netto income in slovakia is almost halve of that of germany so 10 euros will probably the extra cost and the rest is just market price.
Hi, my current provider only serves us 1000/50 through DOCSIS? What are you using to deliver 1000/200?
@@xXxJakobxXx3fibre obviously. Especialy as he mentioned Germany, where the TV Kabel connected households are in a very clear minority. For the vast majority its either DSL via the old phone lines, or fibre straight to the house.
To be slightly fair to the ISPs, while the fibre cable and Tech inside the house can handle symmetrical gigabit upload just fine, it does require additional capacity in both the local splitters and fibre nodes, which cost more to build and more to run via higher energy costs.
The ISPs are far more scummy with their marketing BS for selling most people the gigabit down though, as maybe 1% of customers can even take advanatge of that, let alone benfit.
Capitalists ruin everything lmao
The biggest tip is to threaten your ISP with leaving.
You can often pretty easily get down to
The biggest problem with that is not having any actual alternative in many areas. Govt needs to step in and either build the infrastructure and have price caps
Anyone WHO says that theirs is too slow, than hear me Out: 1. My are where i live doesnt have any possible 4g 3g or 5g, and my DSL Provider Providers me with 2Mbits down and 453kbit Upload, and they are treathening to shut IT down + IT costs 80€ per month
That's cool and all but children starving in africa doesnt make me less hungry at lunchtime@@blackguitargo
@@blackguitargobro. The fact that yours is bad doesn’t make ours feel any faster 🤦♂️
@@blackguitargo Life isn't easy in remote Alaska.
"Try the various ISPs" is such a foreign concept in much, if not most, of the US. Our choices are usually between 1 cable, 1 DSL, or 1 Satellite provider. Often, only two of those three. Although 5G internet services are becoming more popular in the larger metro areas.
Just remember how there's all that competition in the free market hey 😅
Try only one of those 3, welcome to my old kentucky home
@@zyebormYes, exactly. See, capitalism on infrastructure works!!
Wait, isn't that technically a monopoly?
Yup, I have many choices but it really comes down to two choices in terms of who owns the network. Where I am, I can choose either a very high bandwidth ISP but has been plagued with high latency issues for the past year, or a very low bandwidth ISP that people have said would do better with latency. There is a third option, but that's Starlink so I'll skip that.
I've been trying to rectify this with my ISP's frontline customer support. Unfortunately, their procedure happens to bounce me back and forth like volleyball. When they added a charge to my bill for a yet another unfruitful technician visit, that was the straw that broke the camel's back. Luckily, in Canada, there's the CCTS, which an independent organization all ISPs must fund that mediate complaints. Did that at the beginning of the year, and after two more months, they finally got it fixed (for me).
Anyway, I'm still very rusty with FPS gaming but that skill restoration is still in progress.
Latency is BRUTAL on 5G, even through Ethernet
I'm that guy getting by with the .25mbps connection most of the time. "too fast" is not a "problem" I have ever had in my life.
Damn that's even worse than me and I live where there's no street lights
I can dig it. I had no real option because of how remote I live which was DSL. Apparently, I'm the last property the repeater was able to barely connect to. I measured upload and downloads in Kps.
As of about 4 months ago, I got Starlink. Tremendous difference!
I turned on and played stuff on my Roku, Chromebook, desktop and both iPhones and ran stuff simultaneously ... IT WAS FUN! and still is 8)
How the hell do you even live with that?
I'd say you missed the point of the video if you're saying this
I mean, the video isn't about you then lol of course
LTT is on a role with these "times are hard" tech tips.
As an isp technician this video is great. Sales teams are constantly convincing ppl to pay for a more expensive service you don't Ned especially the elderly who dont comprehend this
Great video must watch
Gonna start showing this to my customers
Right there with ya. Also all the customers complaining about how they aren’t getting what they are paying for with their 2.4Ghz WiFi adapter lol.
To me, the biggest benefit of fiber internet isn't how fast its maximum download speeds are, but that your upload speed tends to be just as fast as download speeds, and how insanely conistent and low-latency it is. Most content on the internet doesn't require enormous amounts of bandwidth to view (seems that 4K streaming caps out below 40 Mbps in some cases), but if there's something wonky interfering with your device's ability to send requests to websites or services (like having really high ping and/or low upload speeds, which does appear with cable-based internet, or for people in rural areas with DSL), stuff feels *sloow*. I don't view that it's all about raw speed, rather that eliminating bottlenecks or other problems that lead to inconsistency holds the most importance.
Your thesis is that fast upload speeds decrease ping/jitter? I dunno, sounds plausible. Posting from Washington DC using Verizon FiOS where they have a fiber connection into the home (tho I did upgrade my router to make it faster after a few years using their now obsolete router).
its also a lot more reliable
@@raylopez99What? That's not what they said. The entire reason fiber to the home reduces latency and jitter is because there is less processing happening between you and your ISP, and in some cases, none.
@@raylopez99It does in a way. Most connections tend to experience a lot of problems with latency/jitter as upload reaches saturation. This is especially problematic with cable connections where they can absolutely skyrocket as upload gets maxed out. Using 10Mbps upload on a connection with 100Mbps upload capacity > using 10Mbps upload on a connection with 10Mbps upload capacity every time. Whether it's a legitimate maximum of the circuit tech that you're using or a throttle in place by your ISP (often accomplished by dropping packets to slow you down to keep you at/under the cap). Even on enterprise dedicated fiber at work we cap our interfaces just below the circuit capacity. E.g. if it's a 500/500 meg dedicated circuit we'll cap it at 490/490 meg to avoid the latency increase that occurs when we hit the actual 500 meg capacity.
Yeah when I had fiber that was the benefit for sure. I mean, fast game downloads and whatnot was great but the stable, bilateral connection was amazing for everything from games in-game and out, zip files that have a throttled speed otherwise, stability, mass data fetching... It was nice. I def could use something faster given what I'm paying now for something less than 1/10th the speed lol
ended up spending less money going from 35mbps to 900mbps, which is so funny
I had a drop in cost going from 100/10 meg cable to 960/880 meg fiber when FiOS became available. I was paying $98 for the cable, which was scheduled to increase to $135 (before fees, so likely over $140) the following month, and the fiber was $80 all-in. In the 7 years since the fiber cost has gone up a whopping $4, while cable was increased at least $5-10/month every 6 months.
I was paying Comcast $125/mo for gigabit. They remove download caps for their gigabit service.
I was getting 900mbps down and only 50mbps upload.
Moved to the new local fiber company who offered 2.5gbit.
I now pay $120/mo for 2400 down and 2450 up.
Even I know I don't need that.
But apparently they lock me in for lifetime pricing, so hopefully it never changes? If I'm paying $120/mo for 2.5gbit in 10 years I'll be a happy boy.
just be careful you didn't sign up for a teaser rate. I got an offer recently to "save $10 a month for faster internet", except after 12 months it would have essentially doubled. I also had my ISP once "upgrade" my service without asking or telling me from 30mbps to 100mbps. Fast forward to the teaser rate expiring and my internet went from about $50/mo. to over $100/mo. I tried to get them to down grade me to what I had before, except wouldn't you know it that plan was no longer offered. TL;DR Be wary of "deals" when it comes to ISPs
Are you sure this wasnt a limited time only deal? Something where after 6 months the monthly costs double or even triple? I've seen that before.
That happened to me as well. Changed provider and went from 1 gigabit to 10 for less money.
9:07 As a person who literally work on Linux ISOs, having a big (and stable !) bandwidth really helps
That's pretty cool 😎😎😎
I worked at ATT as a technician and I would often suggest to customers to get the half a gig or even a quarter of a gig plans if they only intended to use the WIFI just general Internet use. Even half a gig is more than enough for most families.
5:22 I caught that dubbed-in number. Good on you for not leaving errors in the recording and settling for a text correction on-screen.
Here in Switzerland the ISP which provides an 10Gbps Uplink is way cheaper than the ISP which provodes an 500mbps Uplink. The 10Gbps are 50$ cheaper a month. Thats just insane.
Fifty dollars isn't written 50$. The dollar sign comes BEFORE the number.
In Germany, and probably Switzerland as well, currency symbols are almost always placed after the number. We also use a comma instead of a period as our decimal separator. Thus, 19,99 € is how we would write €19.99. Just to explain to why someone whose native language isn't English might put the currency symbol after the actual number. @@brendanr1525
That's good to hear. It's just a bit sad that regular mobile providers have astronomical prices for a single MiB if someone crosses the border, so it gave me the impression you guys had under average speeds.
@@brendanr1525 this is not only petty but also not true. Yes, most of the English speaking woorld tend to place the currency sign before the number but most others put it after. This is not gramatically incorrect nor is it important.
@@AL5520 It might not be grammatically wrong but it looks kinda stupid when everyone online writes it the same way. Not sure if it's worth writing a comment about tho. Btw you misspelled grammatically which is kinda ironic lol
Went down this rabbit hole ages ago, I had gigabit without issues for a long time, then they bumped up speeds for the same price.
Already had a system that supported 2.5GbE, ended up getting a new switch with a couple 2.5GbE ports, and SFP+ ports, eventually built my own router with a box from Aliexpress and OpenWRT.
Wifi devices go through 1GbE link, but that's honestly fine for those devices, they're limited due to outside factors.
While I could save money going down to lower speeds, it's not a huge amount of savings unless someone disrupts the duopoly in my neighborhood.
Most demanding thing I use is probably hosting a few game servers, and downloading stuff
I was tech support for a major ISP and had someone call in, home with 10 people living in it, had ISP router. Had 65 devices connected, I told them to look for a MIMO router ours couldn't handle that lol
There is also one thing missed, the ISP's own uplink/downlink is also shared and its usually planned at 40~50% of the capacity sold. Which means that at peak times if everyone is trying to get their files downloaded you will not get the advertised speed.
Wasn't that only true with coax cable tho? I used to experience that back when coax was the standard, but once it was updated to fibre, now I have even more bandwidth than what I paid for, at any time of the day. (500mbps paid, get almost 600 on avg)
Only places with shitty infrastructure does that. ISP's around here have to guarantee your speed. So even at peak hours, you get the bandwidth that you're paying for, all the time. I've had 1gbit for the past 15 years for ~40€ a month, it has always performed when asked to.
I lived in Ireland for a year a long time ago, and that was the first time i ran into what you're talking about, and it was garbage. I do not know if they're still doing it that way, but i hope not. I think they called it contention ratio or something.
That depends on what you're off plan you have. If you're plan is a "dedicated" plan you will get whatever speed you are paying for at any time. If it isn't dedicated then you're paying for an "up to" speed which sets a hard limit at your max, but could she down during high traffic times.
@@Lukeb53 The 'hard limit' isn't really so hard, even from crappy ISPs. You'll generally get speeds at least 20-30% faster than the advertised limit out of peak times. They tend to have enough bandwidth so that you get advertised 'up to' speeds most of the time... at least in large metropolitan areas with other ISPs to choose from.
That is incorrect. A regular residental connection, if your connections slows down during peak hours. That is because the ISP isn't allocating enough bandwidth to that DSLAM.
In the late 80's when ADSL was introduced, we got a 256/128 connection. But it was possible to get up to a 1mbit, but that was really expensive, like ~100€ a month.
This pissed people off when they got home from work, wanting to use their expensive connection and then realize it was not working as advertised.
The government agreed that if you were paying for 1mbit or any speed. You should also receive that regardless of what time of day it is. People can't change their working hours to accommodate the ISP's, the ISP's should accommodate the customer.
ISP's know when the demand is highest, so they should adjust accordingly and make sure that bandwidth is available, so it became a law.
Problem forever solved, everyone gets what they're paying for at all times and that has worked perfectly for +25 years.
"Your internet is too fast"
Me literally getting 5mbps: Yes.
How
@@eddi3401 What how? My internet is just slow af.
Don't worry, mine likes to hang around 152 kbps quite often :')
@@eagle-eyes777 I felt so sorry for you man :'(
German?
Linus: "your internet is too fast"
Me in australia with a 100/40 plan for $100/month.
holy sht
whar
$100 AUD that is 😢
My internet is too slow
same bro
agreed
me
Yeah I've only managed to get like less than 20 megabytes a second while getting those Linux distros
@@iamlorddems3859 20 megabytes a second is a lot, that's like 160 Mbps+ !
My internet is 10 mps
Lucky
Living large i see
I have 3
at night i have 20 kbps. beat that
I just upgraded to 100mbps
here in Italy it costs basically nothing to get more
if you got ftth available
you get 1GigDown/100Mbs(or300Mbs)
costs like 25€/month
if you are reached by also 10gigs/2gigs
it costs 35€/month last time i checked
WHICH IS INSANE LOOKING AT THE COSTS IN GERMANY AND SWITZERLAND
literally all european countries but germany get showered in good internet, iots fucking annoying :D
at my home there is no adsl or better :/. i pay 50€/month for 2 4G sims and i bond the two networks with pfsense
it costs around 5€/month for 100mb both ways where i live
Don't call out Switzerland here :) I also got a 10gbit/s connection for 35 CHF.
1gbit/s you can easily get between 20-40chf depending on the provider and sale.
I gotta say, here in germany, when you're using mobile data, you'll be happy to even reach some speed at some places (on the train tracks there's literally a few kilometers where you won't even get telephone connection). But at home it's fine but it's 75€ a month for fiber ;-; (1Gbps down, 500Mbps up)
Brings me back to running my own IRC server many years ago, off of a regular residential cable internet connection, thought it was cool as hell but man was it ever slow once users started sharing files, which was pretty crazy since the server was specifically for South park and sharing episodes. Guess that even bringing up IRC kinda shows my age lol
how did file sharing between users hog your server or connection down? file sharing in IRC is done though DCCs, which are peer to peer and doesn't traverse the server itself.
Lulz
@@taldmdbest benefit of the doubt I can give is maybe they also ran a local xdcc bot. I did that, and I had to limit concurrent downloads to 1 and queue the rest while throttling the bot.
@@taldmdperhaps they ran an additional file share? FTP or some such.
@taldmd i should have clarified it wasnt the actual downloads that slowed it down, once there were file sharing bots setup the amount of users shot through the roof, went from maybe 20 peak users to a few hundred, really not sure if it was limitations of my connection or limitations of my computer, i think maybe i was asking a bit much from that old pentium2
I didn't expect the GRC mention but it's truly one of the best tools for that use case I've ever seen
Our internet is definitely overkill 99% of the time (3Gbps U/D). The next step down was 1.5Gbps, I recall, but for only about $10 less, and we WOULD use more than that on some occasions, so we went with slightly more expensive option. But the thing was, this was after the ISP (Bell) overhauled the local infrastructure for proper Fibre connections, so our old connection multiplied in speed about 10x for the same price. After being annoyed for years over buffering (esp. when multiple people were downloading or streaming 4K at the same time), it was a huge quality of life jump.
So maybe we're paying a bit more for speed we'll mostly not take advantage of, but we really don't ever want to go back to the irritation of having videos buffering or defaulting to lower resolution just because several other people are heavily using it at the same time.
Plus, uploading a 4K/60 video about as fast as I can write a description and fill out tags for is very satisfying, to say nothing of downloading a 100GB game to an NVMe drive in the time it takes to go the bathroom and get a drink. It technically bottlnecks around 1.2Gbps (probably the drive, it's good, but not an epic drive, my computer is also is limited by its port, capping around 2.4Gbps on a speed test) without having to worry about anyone else in the house having their connection noticeably get worse, which it might with the slower connection option.
Call it futureproofing, or wasteful, but it is satisfying.
I’m with the same company bell fibe and they got fast internet for residential I’m always lower than 15 of ping got the 3gbs and even running a truenas server with it, it cost me 70$ a month just for internet but worth it
The difference between like 8 megabytes to over a hundred is absolute insanity, I had gigabyte connection for a about a year, not realizing just how overkill it was for my situation. Still internet is expensive in the USA.
It does seem like internet providers are using decoy strategies to encourage people to pay more. E.g. release 2 or more products, but the most expensive is more cost effective per metric, per dollar.
For example, 2 gbps at.. $100 USD vs 1 gbps at $80 usd. Some people would pay more. Others would think that 1 gbps is good enough.
@@AstralDragnInternet was expensive in Canada too, though with the new connections we have it's now pretty darn good. We used to spend a bit over $100 CDN for something like 120Mbps (and something like 25 up). Then suddenly we were paying a little bit more and that and getting like 20x the speed and with parity for upload.
In general, I've noticed that speeds have been getting better much faster lately. It's the same with phone data.
The truth is only those with Gigabit speeds can say "Speed is overrated". Linus OBVIOUSLY has 10Gb Ethernet and 2.5Gb wireless, while his Garage must have access to speeds many would only dream about.
MANY nations have VERY poor Internet speeds due to outdated technologies such as ADSL (Phone line internet). Moving up to FTTH (Fiber To The Home) is a game-changer and eye-opener.
That said, practically speaking, for a home with about 4 to 6 Internet users, 100 To 300 Mbps is MORE than enough. For a Family of 2 to 3, even 100mbps is enough. As pointed out in the video, the devil is in the details. Latency, Jitter, Routing, and Ping times are WAY More determining factors in a good internet experience than just speed. Hence, it is the QUALITY that matters more than Quantity.
The thing is MANY internet users have been getting these speeds only recently. Not just because of recent technology upgrades but also because of the sheer availability of new technologies as well as affordability. Once Fiber Internet users become a little wiser, they might realize that they do not need very high speeds. Then they will have to begin the negotiations with the ISP to switch to a lower-priced, lower-speed plan.
True
I work at an ISP, and I wish everyone who calls in on a Wi-Fi4 router with a netbook from 2015 crying about not getting gigabit speed could see this.
Shouldn't you provide the proper router with the Gigabit service in the first place
@@zarkozi Shouldn't you buy hardware capable of using gigabit in first place?
Not only should you supply a router that can achieve those speeds, but you should also allow people to bring their own. I need my tailscale tunnel to terminate at the router so my firewall applies to the incoming traffic.
@@zarkozimine does but you have to pay for it
Maybe fix those things before complaining about your *paying* customers, though your comment doesn't surprise me
Jumping to 10Gbps from 1Gbps (for only an extra $20 a month) wasn't really noticeable speed wise but the extra hardware cost sure was.
Out of curiosity, how fast is your dl speed when downloading off direct dl links ? And from Steam ? I have 2 Gb/s fiber which is already awesome but I'm wondering if 10Gb/s is worth the additional cost (I already have SSDs)
@@AngryChineseWoman I don't think your CPU would be able to follow. My R9 5900x get's hammered at 2.5gbps.
@@CerealKiIIer Damn... I have a 13700k and 2Gbps is fine... But more than this... I don't know yeah
with $480 saved /2 years, I prefer to put my money somewhere else, a better GPU, screen or anything else, maybe not related to PC.
My 3900xt doesn't even seem to notice 1.4gbps. Is it a linear thing or exponential because I'm shocked a 5900 would be hammerd at 2.5gb
The one time I had a bandwidth issue with cable was actually because my computer was uploading a backup, which made everyone else's internet stop working (including Netflix). So the upload part can be a big deal.
Qos can help you with that kinda stuff btw. You need to prioritise the ack packets upstream above all else. That'll broadly stop an upload from killing downloads and won't noticeably slow the upload.
im actually surprised how many people have fast internet, ive been stuck with 3 to 4 Mbps my entire life depending how many people are in the house
Fibre to home was put into our neighborhood about two years ago. Switched from 120 Mbs down / 10 up cable to 3.0 Gig connection. Notice huge difference in upload speed and latency while gaming.
the latency difference is more due to fiber than speed difference. (i.e if no-one else in the house did a lot of uploading)
Not here in Austria's countryside. Since phone plans historically have been cheaper here than in other countries, many switched to LTE (and later 5G) for internet, which often comes with highly variable and downright slow speeds especially during prime time. Due to that rush on LTE there was almost no financial incentive to focus on fiber to the home expansion in many places, which now sucks a lot. Just now a new apartment building is getting finished near my house and despite my hopes, nobody seemed to have seen this as a good reason to use the already open road to place some fiberglass cables in the ground.
Most of the time, they don’t lay fiber cables; they just install empty conduits for adding things later. But as usual, they forget about it and end up having to cut the road open again to install these conduits, which causes the road to deteriorate faster. Now, the road is so damaged that it needs to be resurfaced again.
I was unaware that 10Mb/s average was too fast. Thanks Linus.
I remember being on a 5mb broadband connection; was the only thing available for the longest time, and I would have to download games a day or two in advance. Definitely don't miss it.
Hey, you don't need to run Ethernet _in_ the walls to benefit. I simply spent ~20 euros to buy a long Ethernet cable, another 2 euros to buy a 100-pack of those nice little cable clips for walls, and then I routed it in a nice hidden path all the way to the living room. Then a little switch (another 20 euros?), and now everything in the living room has 1gigabit wired ethernet. Even the Samsung TV which, well, probably can't use it, but at least it's not adding to congestion in the WiFi channel space. :P
(And being in Europe, with competition in the ISP market, I pay 28 euro a month for the gigabit fiber connection that feeds all this. :P )
That's $30.48 USD. I'm gonna cry I pay $100 (91.87 euro) a month for gigabit fiber... wish there was competition here..
This. ^^^
While having Ethernet in the walls sounds nice, (1) it's pretty unrealistic for many/most people to get a place that has that, (2) it's quite a bit of unneeded work to install yourself (if it's even possible, and that's not just an issue for renters,) and (3) it means that upgrading those Ethernet cables, should you ever need to, is going to be even MORE work.
Just get however many cables you need, in a color that blends in with your walls/trim, and run them along corners and edges as needed. Done, with less hassle and easier upgrades. And if anyone has the audacity to complain about how it looks (presuming you weren't just sloppy with it,) just block their access to your wifi until they apologize. (Or until they leave. It's a win either way.)
**Cries in $130 CAD a month for gigabit internet**.....or I would be if I didn't have a permanent $50 discount, but even at $80 it's still nuts and to think there are people out there shelling out the $130.
Luckily the house I live in was built only 3 years ago and being a more modern house, it came with ethernet already built in to the walls.
@@Gofr5 - I'd love to pay $130 CAD (currently $96 USD) for gigabit internet, provided it had no data cap.
@@rodjacksonx It is uncapped, yeah.
Here, in Spain, you can get 10Gbps for 30€, Router with WiFi 7 from TP-Link, pretty good router tbh, and they advertise to you, that you must use a Thunderbolt or 10Gb ports
@@mattburg94 Here, a lote of ppl uses It, yeah, we don't take Advantage but its geat
@@mattburg94 it is a godsend for student housing which can have up to 20 or more people living on a single residential internet connection.
Here is canada, you can get 10mbp/s for $100 cad
Almost the same price in the Netherlands
@@MeistroBurger It is all about competition. Where I live there is really only one ISP that can deliver fiber, and DSL or WIFI is poor due to distances.
But I hope it will be more competition on existing infrastructure in the future. Paying 70€ for 300/300 now, but with free competition I suppose Gigabit will be available for same or lower price. Anyway I will not complain, I live on an island 50km from the nearest city so we just recently got proper broadband with isp, muncipality and government sponsoring..
The best part about all of this was that while watching my internet kept buffering.
Soooo... Whats your speeds? A 4K stream uses around 25 Mbps of bandwidth on youtube. I'd assume less?
This is definitely a problem with UA-cam and might not be your ISP. Some videos are much slower to load/buffer and occasionally freeze at a certain point and won't load more (particularly common on new uploads). I used to think it was on my end but it's definitely not after some experimentation and UA-cam's backend/hosting definitely isn't treating all videos the same.
i subscribed just based off the fact your sponsor was put at the END of the video. How lovely, and yes i did watch the ad just to help you the same way you helped us
You're so kind dude 😊
So i did the math on this recently - I have gigabit right now, and in the price of gigabit, the mandatory isp router rental is included. if i downgraded to 500 meg, i would have to pay for the mandatory isp router rental ... which would make it...the same price. their next tier down is under 100 meg. It is more economical for me, in my location, with my isp... to stay at gigabit. Footnote: the router rental is mandatory, but you can just leave it in the box - i actually use a mikrotik
I wish you had the money to file a lawsuit instead
It really depends on location. For years I had to use mobile connection with astonishing speeds from 2 to 22 Mbit/s (depending on weather and time of the day), though with unlimited data plan. Then finally last year I got an option to get fiber connected to my house. Now I have symmetrical 1Gb/s, and it costs $25 ($10 for the first 6 months) - the same as my old mobile connection
btw, the offer I got was $20 for 300Mbit/s, $22 for 600Mbit/s, and $25 for 1Gbit/s. I took the fastest one and had to replace all my internet cables, route new cables to every room, and buy new router and two switches. It was worth it. I feel like I've started a new life
For my household, 250 Mbit is $50, 500 Mbit is $60, and gigabit is $80 and comes with special treatment compared to other residential customers, like provisioning to use my own firewall instead of the ISP provided router. It's kind of a no-brainer.
In Czechia you get 1Gbps internet for 25$ those prices are insane.
Where I live, it's illegal to force you to buy a specific router if your own one is technically compatible with the technology they use. They have to give you any login/connection details required to connect and if they use a MAC whitelist they must add yours to the list if you provide it. Living in an apartment building the connection is sold to the entire building and then you can purchase additional speed if needed. In my building the 50Mbps connection is already included in the utility/rent. It's $15/month for the 1 gigabit. Ethernet cabling is required by code for all buildings built in the past 20 years or so.
@@TheOneAndOnlyOuuo I would love to have the option to upgrade. I only get 25 Mbps up/down and of course I was also told I could get my own plan then moving in, turns out I don't.
Yikes, we were offered 88hkd a month for 1gbps in a promotion. They're usually at around $20 to $30 USD without a promotion.
In Slovakia you can get 10Gbps for 18€ (circa 20$). :D
Gigabit has been the savior of my house ever since we got it.
I see it as another way.
Here in italy 1gb fiber isn't that much more expensive than regular 100mbps copper. BUT by getting fiber whenever possible we contribute to the internet companies that we do want faster internet, so they see the statistics and they are pushed to lay more fiber and heck, even more copper because in cities sure, there's good enough internet, but you go outside of a city and not even 4g reaches, which is tragic. We NEED internet companies to see we want faster internet even if we don't use it all, because we want internet companies to expand the service to the whole country and not be in single cities.
True
It’s an investment for them to expand networking infrastructure, often residential areas are not worth it for them.
Problem is because of competition. Most cable providers will give you upload speeds that are out of ratio, so 300mbps gives me 15mbps here, and 1gbps to 30mbps. That extra 15mbps is massive when doing backup uploads twice a week.
The term is asymmetrical, it's been a known term for 25+ years.
Get Fibre
@@benwu7980 Whatever you call it, it's trash
@@rohansampat1995 I have just that, and it's still asymmetrical.
300 down, 50 up. Nothing to do with that at all. Providers just being providers.
Damn thats rough, here in thailand i got 1gbps download and 500mbps up for like 20$ a month
Eh, we pay basically the same price (~£30/month) for FTTH as we did for broadband which was - at best - about 5 meg, often less than 1 meg. It might be faster than we need, but I do have an ethernet connection to my desktop and M.2 SSD storage so I do actually take advantage of the speed. Also when the option in my area was "shitty and unreliable" or "amazingly fast with very little downtime" for virtually the same price, it's a no-brainer.
The installation fee was covered by a government grant. The downside was digging a trench for the cable to run down, but that only took me and my dad about three afternoons.
I've side graded from a 240Mb/s coaxial with a lots of problems (would go down for a few minutes multiple times a week, sometimes I would spend weeks without being able to connect to a specific service and so on) to a 150Mb/s fiber to the home, sometimes when torrenting or downloading steam games I missed the extra speed, mostly in the beginning, but now I'm used to it and just the fact that it's being 2 years since I had to call the ISP for problems is so great, I haven't streamed anything with this connection but the times I streamed in the old connection I had a pretty bad experience.
I constantly hear customers saying "I told my kids to stop gaming, but my streaming is still bad when I'm downloading on my iPad" or "My super geek friend said streaming doesn't use any internet, and gaming needs tons"...
I'd love to see a usage comparison between services like Netflix, Disney, and UA-cam against games like COD, CS2, and Minecraft with 4 players. People flip when I inform them how much these games need.
I've got a particular customer I've nicknamed "Minecraft" in our system, they regularly complain they have issues in certain servers. I eventually ended up having to go on site and see what they're doing... They'd been hosting and playing modded Minecraft on 2012 Macbooks; i5 dual core, 4gb of ram. Showing them activity monitor, they quickly quoted a forum post they'd read that blamed the internet and that "the processor had to cache to missing frames in the memory to wait for the internet to catch up" and that was why the cpu and ram were maxed out...
Wow. That's... Special. I'm glad I'm not in that role any more lol
I think fast internet is more about parallel connections. Its really not about a single client utilizing the full bandwith (or at least not for most people). We are a family of 6. Both of us (the parents) works from home. The kids are also gaming and have multiple devices and sometimes our parents stay in the guest house. 1 single stream is nothing, but when 4 kids stream in 4K, my dad uploads family photos and my wife downloads Helldivers 2, I have to still have a reasonably good bandwith to work and have teams meetings with video.
Totally, but even in your scenario you would likely be fine with 500mbs down. 4 4k streams will be under 250mbs max, downloading a game is the real issue as that can pull as much bandwidth as you can give it. Even still, you could lock the download speed to 150mbs, and still have another 100 for your teams and work stuff. uploading photos wouldn’t affect your download bandwidth either.
I do agree tho, for an extra $20 a month spread across a whole family of people it’s too easy to have full gig internet and really doesn’t cost THAT much.
Another option is to use QOS in your router. Prioritize video or specific machines
Still don't need gigabit for that. Four 4K streams ... isn't that much, and Zoom/Skype is vastly less. Playing games online is almost nothing. A game download may or may not take advantage of everything you give it, but setting up QoS (Quality of Service) in your router to prioritize the Zoom/Skype would solve that.
@@MTGeomancer Even if 1Gbps isn't necessary, it's pretty much the standard if you want FTTH. And having a real fiber connection is a big deal because the latency is much slower and way more consistent
@@bastienx8I have Verizon FiOS but still only pay for 300/300 Mbps. To go up to gigabit is double the price.
Techquickie featured video: *Is Your Internet FAST Enough?*
This video: *_Your Internet is Too Fast_*
This is why I have a 100 Mbps connection.
And I actually wrote a guide to our local community who sell the internet connection, how low a connection speed actually is needed for a single family or person based on common uses, topping out at 300 Mbps for a family of 4, with 2 gaming kids, 4K streaming on a TV along with 2 cellphones browsing along.
The Full House meme? Nice. Just. Perfect. Colton we love you.
1000/300 for around 14$/month here, and there's no slower option from this ISP, this is the only speed available
where you at
One other thing to consider is your packages download limit. Many of the fastest packages (while you may not need or use the full speed) allow for unlimited download. While the slower packages may have a download limit per month and could end of costing you more in overage fees if you download a lot a data per month.
Well where I come from, a gigabit connection is standard. The man just runs a fibre from the telegraph pole in the street to my door
@@seanoconnor8843 What kind of super advanced utopia do you hail from anyway?
@@AddyEspresso Rochdale
@@seanoconnor8843 The next time someone tries to tell me America is the greatest country in the world I'm going to call them insane
@@seanoconnor8843 I know I know but I live in a place where it would total sense to have fast internet but I don't.
The video literally buffered at 1:04 and I thought it was edited at first but what a coincidence lol
You should come to Egypt, all your worries about too fast Internet will vanish
What do you mean test run multiple local ISPs. Do they not have monopolies in Canada like they do in the US? Most places I've seen here you get one cable/fiber option, 2 satellite options, and maybe a couple DSL options.
Other countries have network owners and retailers separate. Australia, new Zealand and the UK all operate that model, they span their national networks out to be private companies that lease lines back to retailers. It keeps the market more competitive as the wholesaler is regulated and the retailers have competition keeping them in line.
Unfortunately the line is the expensive but making up most of.yoir bill so it's not all that profitable to be a retailer anymore.
I'm in the US and have the options between Comcast/Xfinity and Verizon FiOS. Could be DSL, but I honestly haven't even looked into that (DSL is always abysmal).
@@MTGeomancer but in the US each provider own the cables and service, other regions don't operate like that. I pay a retailer who leases the line from a network owner. If I want to change I simply ring a new retailer and change using the same line. Regulations here say the network owners can not offer retail services to end users which means you get choice and competitive pricing.
Thank you very much for this video.
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Thanks to your encouragement and giving me the idea in the first place.
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I'm normally not critical of linus... But how the heck are you supposed to "Try various local ISPs to see who has the lowest ping to your favorite games..."?? Like what so I would go to each of my ISPs and say "yes i would like 1 week of service... Then i will cancel you and go to another service... Then maybe i'll come back..." Who the eff is going to do that, the amount of effort to gain maybe a little better ping? I just think this is and i don't think this is the right phrase but just so outta touch from the consumer space, yeah sure shop around in business, you're going to have a back up anyways and it probably should be on another ISP, but a consumer to get multiple ISPs is such a massive headache i wouldn't want to even think about it.
@@shortadventuerer7738 typing all this out for 8 upvotes and no responses is even more of a headache.
My internet is too fast? Dawg this shit is 3mb a second GIVE ME A NEW ROUTER
Yeah… A router won’t solve that one
What about offsite-backups? If you follow the 3-2-1 rule, if you don't want to physically move HDDs around (or similar), you probably upload them to some remote server. Depending on how much data you produce and back up, that can be a lot. And then there's the initial backup. In my case I would backup 2TB with a 50 mbit/s down 10 mbit/s up connection, it would take about 3-4 weeks. Ordering a HDD, copying the files, and shipping it to a remote location would be way faster.
you'd be surprised how much data you can move with a slow connection. Even a 10Mbit connection is going to be plenty for most backups. Unless you are literally running a datacenter in your home, or you need VERY up to date backups. Even a modest 100Mbit connection is going to serve you well. You just need to get the first initial backup finished on site, so that way you're only moving maybe 10GB a day. Which should only take like 10-20 minutes.
For a home network something like 300Mbps is plenty, everyone can upload their backups in one night, and an average user doesn't create 1TB of data every months
Next to no one does that level of backups outside of enterprises.
Linux ISOs can always be re-downloaded if the worst happens.
@@bastienx8 im at 90tb in my homeserver which would take along time to bakup in my vase
we are in that unlucky position that we only get 10Mbit up at one of our locations AND we have to backup critical machines to another site. Realistically, we max out at around 100 gigs per day when we have to initially push something new across. Our daily load is about 10 gigs but since a 10Mbit connection pushes around 1,25MB max, this takes a little closer to 2,5h in reality rather than 10-20 minutes. This being said, I am convinced most small to mediumish organisations could even do perfectly well with a 100/50 connection given they put a bit of thought into which services in what extent they really need
I have a proper symmetric gigabit fiber to home ISP and run my own VPN server, all my remote internet usage goes through it, uses my own DNS server w/ pihole-like functionality, and HTTP/HTTPS caching. It's a very nice experience, but overall the biggest reason I'll probably stick with my current plan is for the >10ms latency and ability to transfer large files (1-10GB) remotely to/from my devices without being severely bandwidth limited by a crappy ass cable connection that can barely handle 10Mbps upload.
This is my first year studying IT. They way Linus broke down considerations was so cool cause he was basically stating them in something called the OSI protocols that I had learnt in networking. There's 7 layers and when trouble shooting you start from the First Layer, the physical layer that is ethernet connections. And you work your way up the layers until you get to the last layer, The Application layers where he spoke about those servers being bottle necks. It was so cool being able to link these up with what i learnt. It felt cool. Networking is cool asf
3:15 Is that a new LTT backpack design I see? Hyped
twas my question as well!
you gotta stop simping for youtubers
@@jlllx Wdym its quality product, with an upfront price. People who can afford it buy it. You act like they get nothing or shit quality stuff in return. This ain't no twitch dono
@@jlllx I buy good quality stuff from people who care about their product. Never did we even say we were going to purchase it, just simply asked a question. Maybe some of us just like seeing the company grow.
My internet rn: 10mbps like for more than 1 hour
10mpbs for 1 hour? After that hour what happens then?
@@oliver-04 goes up until 20 mbps or goes down until maybe 0
I enjoy having gigabit internet. I think I use it enough too. Downloaded over 3000GB in February.
Before my area had fibre optic internet (we never had access to cable), I was able to play most online games on DSL until around 2018. Downloading a modern game would sometimes take three days, though.
Wtf are those prices ? In France you get subscription for 2GB/s download and 1GB/s upload for as low as 15€ (22 $CAD) per month. And you can even found cheaper subscription with "Only" 1 GB/S download and 700 MB/s upload. + The ISP install everything in your house for FREE + free Router and TV subscription.
Crazy cheap
I am in Ontario, Canada and I have to pay $110cad/mo for 10mbps internet. Its absolutely criminal.
Meanwhile, depending on the ISP, i get either 100mbps or 1-2mbps here in a village in central Germany
For 50€ per month...
Its called america
Internet is very expensive here for whatever reason
My 940 down and 50 up costs like $150
@@Elijah1573It isn't a mystery why it's expensive. Half is because the United States is huge. To put it in perspective, the US and the entirety of Europe are close to the same size (3,531,905 sq miles versus 3,910,680 for Europe).
The other half is American telecoms are allowed to have monopolies. They're legally allowed to have agreements with cities that no one else can move in. This doesn't apply to all areas. For example I have access to both Comcast and Verizon FiOS so they actually have to compete. Still, it's $44/month for 300 Mbps and $75/month for Gigabit.
Alot of Cable companies that use Docsis on an HFC (Hybrid Fiber Coaxial) service are doing a mid or even high split running on higher frequencies and moving the return chs to lower frequencies to get semetric up and down speeds over pre existing cables. And eventually moving to Docsis 4.0. Most currently use 3.1 or 3.0 docsis. An HFC network is pretty cool and useful and more reliable then some may think when they think coax is and outdated cable. You can push 10 Gb over its the headend sending it out and the user end receiving it. It's ever changing and very interesting and is my job so I'm boas to it
Even setting aside the question of latency over copper vs fiber for long runs, there's a big difference between what the standard allows and what the ISPs will actually do. History has shown time and time again that ISPs will only put in the minimum effort required, even when doing so ends up costing them more in the long run. People overwhelmingly prefer fiber because the connection is inherently symmetric; you don't have to play games with channel allocation to get it to work that way. Fiber connections are more stable, have generally lower latency, and are *far* less likely to get ACK-choked, all other factors being equal.
It's awesome how far existing standards can be pushed, but AFAIK DOCSIS equipment is much more expensive than GPON, and DOCSIS upgrades can necessitate cabling upgrades too, so I think it will be phased out eventually. If you have to dig, might as well put in cheaper fibreoptic cable.
Only problem with the upload argument is that residential docsis 3.1 usually maxes out at 40mbps. That's...that's nothing. If I backup a Linux iso to my NAS, and then have that backed up to the cloud, that could take like a whole day, unless I'm talking a compressed h.265 Linux iso. Even youtube will ingest faster than 40mbps. And with the issues of wifi calling, zoom, work from home, etc., a few people uploading at the same time will basically kill your upload allowance immediately.
I can't get ftth, so I'm the mercy of xfinity bringing docsis 4.0 to my home. I want it. I want it bad. My NAS demands it.
That’s actually not true because we are now seeing customers with over 120 Mb upload on Docs 3.1 cable from comcast
Just watching youtube and then getting a notification about your fast internet ☠️
While it isn't actually fast :(
Anyone watching in 2018?
Naw 1982
1937 here
1275
30mio before Christus the dinosaurs fucking up my Internet Speed
1670
New LTT Backpack?! 3:15
Nice find
Laughs in gig connection, no restrictions, full fiber all the way into the router, only for 6 euro/month. Romania guys! --Btw, why is internet and mobile so expensive and so slow on other parts of the world? Unlimited 5G gig mobile only 11 euro here (also unlimited everything else and some good amount of roaming data), pretty good coverage.
That's amazing
Here in Romania we pay 50 Ron, approximately 10 dollars for 10gig internet
I think I’m moving to Romania.
And Sailing without any VPN is easy and technically illegal but nobody cares. Literally internet paradise.
That 35mb upload my ISP provides was fast.. in 2002. Not anymore though.
Bro thats FAST AS HELL, i usually get 500KBs on average, 1MB if im really lucky.. One time the wifi blessed me with 60MB a second, but it only lasted an hour and i've been chasing that high ever siince lol
@@vinson3725I really don't know how people can have internet that bad in 2024 since Starlink came available, pretty much works anywhere in the world and gives you about ~200Mbps down and ~25Mbps up
@@vinson3725Do you mean like the router, or the INTERNET, not the WiFi
glad you mentioned latency, it's the entire reason why we swapped to fiber, I went from about 70-80ms in my favorite game all the way down to a stable 24ms after swapping to fiber, plus the stability of fiber in my area is way better than the broadband stability
Linus: Your internet is too fast
*me watching this while buffering
Me: Maybe my internet is too fast
Here in Japan fiber optic actually runs all the way to the home and only ends at the router, having full gigabit speed for UA-cam uploads is amazing
Same in Denmark. It really is lovely.
I hadn't realized that want the norm for fiber.
It also helps to lower the latency a bit
I worked for an ISP for 9 years. After a year you stop trying to keep people from updating to speeds they don't use. You basically go "oh you want that? Okay... Here you go. You'll never use it... But here you go"
same here. bigger number go brrr- and they refuse to drop any subs to streaming companies. they get addicted to the convenience of the bundle or 'the wife watches this one thing' so they end up paying loads for stuff they won't use. brave new world.
I switched from 100Mbit/s over 4G/5G to a fiber connection with the same speed and the difference was massive. Yes, I mostly got close to the promised speed over the air but I often had hickups or dips or a few minutes without a connection at all. With fiber, I ALWAYS get what I pay for (even 2-5% over it), 24/7, no dips below and a rock solid connection. I've since upgraded to 250down/100up and been never happier with my internet conncection.
You’re comparing two very different types of connections.
"Too Expensive" People in eastern Europe: Hold my 1 Gigabit / 9 Euro per month.
Yeah exactly lol, I don't know how much we pay for it but like, you could get 5 Gbit/s here for maybe 30 bucks a month tops... we have 1 Gbit/s and with two full modern PCs connected over cable to the router, several phones, and up to two laptops, I mean, I wouldn't want to go lower than a couple hundred Mbit/s, since the scenario of, say, two people downloading games or other large file while others are trying to watch things or otherwise stress the network is actually very likely, especially since the modern world tends to have people going to work, school, etc. during about the same part of the day, and when you factor in errands and the tendency of us wanting to do things together spontaneously, it's not exactly rare for us to run into download bottlenecks rather than hardware bottlenecks with 1 Gbit/s.
30€ for gigabit here, eastern europe as well
Look, just freaking how.
What I've noticed is that, with old low-end devices, it is often the storage drives and local components that are the bottleneck(s) for the internet speed. I would even recommend locally limiting the max network speeds with those “dated” devices.
Latency over top speed. Always.
As an Australian, I inherently disagree with the title of this video
Bottlenecks are important to consider, it's amazing how many people here in Australia pay a premium for the NBN but only have "Fibre to kerb" or "Fibre to node" which means they still use good old copper to make the final bridge, meaning a decent broadband connection can be just as fast. Then there is the subject of whether their usecase actually warrants NBN speed, or if they just blindly go for the fastest package they can afford...
I know plenty of people who live on their own and could easily just use an unlimited data mobile plan and run off their phone's hotspot (I do this when I'm not gaming) but pay through the ass just so they have the knowledge that they are on the NBN
Let's not downplay the need for good NBN, but I agree that way too many people are on oversized plans.
FTTN isn't bad per se in my opinion as long as you're getting the advertised speeds, but many never even test what they're getting and just assume they need the higher speeds.
@@lemster101 I'm not downplaying the need for a good nbn, just pointing out that many don't understand the bottle necks are are not getting what they think they are paying for...
But I guess it's' nothing new for those you aren't tech savy,
Bro, I'm stuck with oldschool DSL at the moment, hoping to get starlink soon but right now the only service we can get is 5mb down 1mb up.
Yay last mile customer. ATT won't run new cables out to our street. They're hoping we all cave and go full cellular.
I would do unspeakable things for 100mb service...
5mbps is rough, hard to imagine for UA-cam. We had ATT 50mbit DSL up until about a year ago, and even that was bad. We only had an old ass phone line and had to have Cox run Coax to the house from the pole, so I thought we were gonna be stuck on DSL in a densely populated suburb between downtown Cleveland and the airport. I thought I read ATT advertising 50mbit DSL service to ANY existing phone line, and don't know why it wouldn't be possible on any existing line. Maybe it changed for you? If I'm wrong and you're truly stuck, my condolences and Starlink seems better than I would've expected if costs aren't crazy high. No idea if the latency is better than 5g modems, which I presume you can't get? Shit's awful if you're not close to downtown or in a wealthy market.
@@Demoralized88comcast won't run line because it doesn't make sense on investment. Which I totally get. It's unlikely that they would recoup their investment in installing the infrastructure even with federal funding help.
I work for my local ISP. It is incredible how often I inform customers that they simply do not need more than our base package (250x25 in our sub split areas, 250x50 in midsplit areas). I've only ever recommended gig service once. They frequently had 8 streaming devices going at the same time, a couple video calls over zoom at a time, and our MoCA tv service running in the background. Still, the only reason I recommended gig was for the upload speed for the video calls. (Package at the time was 1000x100.)
I also want to point out that we can achieve the same residential speeds on copper as we can with fibre. We are upgrading everything to "mid split" which increases upload speed by 250% and we are slowly implementing "high split" as legacy cable TV is being phased out (old people not switching is the bottle neck here). This allows for our highest package to be 2Gb/s by 1Gb/s.
Do you mind explaining this further? I've always wanted to know more about why coax has so much worse upload speeds than fiber. I mean, obviously at a high level you can just say "those systems were designed for broadcast, not two-way communication" and that's probably true, but I'm wondering about details.
In particular, since you mentioned upgrading existing coax networks to support higher upload speeds, what precisely is it that can be replaced/upgraded to enable higher upload speeds in a coax network? And how does old people refusing to switch away from their legacy cable hold this back?
Gigabit is $80 for me but it includes the top tier MAX subscription. Going down to 300 up and down was $20 less without the max subscription. So it’s a great deal. My ISP offers 2.5 and 5gb but I’d never need those.
"Your internet is too fast"
Me, who can download a full 90GB game at 1Gbps in 10 minutes.
You’re full of it though. I have gigabit internet and I’ve never seen a game download faster then 10mbps. Not through steam, or any other provider. Most platforms don’t have the servers to support those kinds of speeds because it’s expensive.
@@Volkain10are you downloading them onto the oldest hdd known to man? i download steam games at 250mbps
@@Volkain10most of the time I reach over 100MB/s on steam
In Ukraine gigabid GPON internet costs like 10$/mo, so why not to upgrade?)
Great timing on this vid, just got gigabit connected. Have already sacked off the ISP provided EERO routers and am using my own ASUS router along with a 3 hub mesh which delivers 300+ Mbit in every room. All the important stuff is wired with ethernet so I think and feel that I've done this right and am getting the best out of my new connection. Am loving how fast updates and cloud syncing is now and of course full game & software downloads are just astonishingly fast. Overall I feel that my internet is now on the same level as my gaming PC instead of the bottleneck it was a few days ago.
In 25 Odd Years I have gone through 56K Dialup, ADSL, ADSL2 and FTTC, all of which still relies on the ancient copper in the ducts and over telegraph poles, still barely scraping 40Mbps Downstream, Too Fast has never been an issue. I'm not even out in rural UK, I'm in a Major town waiting for Openreach to get on with the FTTP Rollout and those pre-terminated cow-udder boxes to appear on the Telegraph Poles, still not scheduled to finish for a few more years.
The Cost argument doesn't take into account the £20 a month that we are just paying in "line rental" regardless if I am using POTS for Voice or not.
Quite Frankly I would be happy with an offering in the 100's of Mbps with the option to go to Gb Speeds.