I have the opposite problem. I have a hard time with my forehand, there appears to be to many ways to swing. With the backhand it just feels like there's so much better feeling. My humble request is to do this style of video for the forehand, these videos are gold.
Thats a good point you make there are a lot of different ways to possibly hit the forehand and finding your style is tough. I made a video about all I know on the forehand, if you go into my library you can see it it’s the one with a picture of Ma Long
Actually I also feel that my problem is the forehand of the loop. The movement ist much bigger and therefore much harder to controll (shot selection) for the suitable outcome in a specific situation or for a specific ball
Seth, you have no idea how badly i needed this. Ive been looking for ways to improve my backhand loop for weeks now. This video is an eyeopener on so many levels. Heading into training with it later. Thanks for all the passion and effort you put into your content! We keep grinding, cheers!
13:30 is the best learning point of the whole video. and every player should adopt this mindset for every stroke, forehand backhand pushes serves etc. BRAVO you're incredible Seth!
Vielen Dank aus Deutschland. Dank deiner Videos kann ich es unseren Kindern im Jugendtraining sehr viel leichter erklären. Sobald sie die Technik verstanden haben und richtig ausführen, spielen sie gleich ein zwei Level höher. Vielen Dank für deine umfangreiche Arbeit im Namen aller Jugendtrainer denen deine Videos geholfen haben. Old Nicenec
I love this video! Thank you very much. I will share it at my club and hope that these different ideas will help my students to get a solid backhand loop in time. Tks!
#1 youtube video on the backhand now! :D. My best takeaways: 1. the 'punch' had no idea about this. 2. high - high rather than low to high, or mid-mid method. 3. from another video, waiting for a high ball to drop before doing the back hand loop this helped me massively in my games. Suggested missing bits in the video. + I wonder how does someone move leftward in a hurry since most instructional videos are about moving rightward for the crossover foot work , but no-one talks about how to move extreme left when someone returns wide with the backhand. What do you do, when someone returns it to wide backhand, and no time to move Left what do you do?
Hello thank you for the takeaways. That is a good topic how to move leftwards, I believe Fan zhendong does this so well he takes a big step with his right foot first crossing it over his left then take a big step with his left and it helps keep the body really stable while moving leftwards very fast take a look at him especially his younger videos he loves to move more then haha
I went back to watching this video and I’ll watch the FH too and other videos. A light bulb just turned on and I learned how to feel the ball and grab it on contact at the same time putting a little grip pressure to feel the pull of the rubber/sponge. Thank you. This video explains well when to start moving the wrist during the stroke ei when you feel the ball contact. 👍
Thanks! What brand of return board is the one you showed? Just watched one your matches with you spinning and leaping around the table. Could not help but wonder if you could do something like the two highest monetized table tennis channels...Pongfinity and Adam Bobrow. Neither of them can do the acrobatics that you often do. I know you are more of a serious player but would love for you to get more eyeballs. You did not mention the use of rubber bands to a strengthen your backhand. Still using it? What is your blade and rubber? Thanks for taking time to produce these videos.
Hello yes those are some great ideas I’m worried that maybe my channels focus is more about learning than entertainment which is where pongfinity and Adam excel! I do like the idea of coming up with some hype videos to boost the viewership I will try to figure out how to incorporate your ideas! I do still use the rubber bands very helpful to keep strengthening my shoulder muscles
Seth, there are tons of pieces of advice in this video, and well-pondered images to illustrate them (e.g., the freesbee, the fishing rod). Besides being a great player, you are such an effective pedagogue. Many thanks!
oooo man you are the best, I learn so quick from your tutorials. I'm a bit sad that I FOUND you just few weeks ago( better late than never), im gonna recoman your channel to everyone, thank you.
This is a good combo of rubbers personally I use K3 from Tibhar because i can counterloop easier with it but I feel Dignics and k3 are very similar except in price haha k3 is more towards 09c tho and is a little harder somthing to consider
@@PechPongTT cool man right now I'm using innerforce ZLC with D09C on forehand and D05 on backhand. Btw Seth, can you please do a video on backhand serve third ball tactics?
Thanks so much Seth!!! The video was GREAT!!! I think I've been on the right track for the most part so it was awesome to get positive reinforcement and there was some wonderful new info in there as well. Also, I built a return board several months ago and have been using it with my BH for the last month or two. I agree it really does seem to help to have to adjust to what I'm putting on the ball.
I have a question, I improved my backhand alot but I was working only on incoming pure topspin/backspin balls. Now sidespin balls messes me up , every long sidespin serve I guess is just not into my sweetspot hitting zone, if you (or anyone) could give me an advice on looping pendulum serves and also the reverse serves (reverse pendulum, backhand or tomahok serves).
Really some of the best table tennis content on youtube! Keep it up man. A video suggestion of me would be a basic tutorial for a pendulum serve (pure backspin, side-backspin, side-topspin), without any fancy stuff like fake motions. Also with like the basic serving posture and maybe some tactics to go with a pendulum serve (for example short heavy backspin or empty serve, ...). I dont really know how tight to hold the racket or how to get good wrist acceleration and brush on the ball. Especially with the side-topspin i cant seem to get a good amount of spin in my serve (i dont really understand the mechanics of side-topspin serve) and i cant seem to do a good no spin serve where the opponent doesnt immediately knows its empty.
Hi thank you, that’s a good idea just a basic serve tutorial video on how to do the things you mentioned, I like that. Hiding your no spin serve can be tough I guess the main thing that makes a no spin serve tough is how much movement you can make fast without creating underspin some players hit near to the handle so because there is less speed there.
Another high quality video from the best TT channel out there! Some golden tips for me were: 1) how to use the loop on a no-spin/pips ball; 2) practicing random loops like a high BH loop to improve feeling 3) the skill chart at 14:15 (you definitely have an engineer's mindset of breaking down things down logically into components and sub-components); 4) the value of a return board And a request: could you please upload a session of you using your return board for BH practice as you described where you varied depth and placement. I recently bought one but have used it mainly for my forehand and was having trouble generating enough pace to use it consistently with my backhand.
Haha I knew I should have added some b-roll with the section I talked about the robot! Yeah I will be sure to put that in a video maybe I can do it at the end of my next match review! Thanks for the compliments on the video :)
I've never seen a person feed multi-ball with that dead ball technique before. Definitely gonna try that out because I struggle against the anti-spin, short pips, or players that do that dead ball block.
Master class ..thanks..i have one point regarding the positioning of the elbow: Some coaches say that putting the elbow high forward creates tension in the shoulder and after some loops you will feel the pain and wont be able to loop much. so they say this makes the shot less effective, also because the use of body rotation would be less. They say its all about body rotation. The racket arm and wrist just follow the body rotation and stop at the right time. I must say i also feel tension and pain when putting the elbow high forward.. I thought about it as follows: When you stand straight and keep the elbow near the body in a comfortable position and then just lift the arm with the racket in front the belly, then when you bend knees and hip to lean the upper body forward you will automatically have the space between the elbow and the body without having to move it in a position. Sot the elbow would be directed more downward to the floor, instead of being directed to the side in the other case...is this space not enough? wouldn't this also help prevent the mistake of reaching to the ball? and doesn't also help transmit more body rotation and force to the shot since the arm is near to the body rotation axis? Would be nice to know your thoughts about this issue. Many thanks
Hi good thoughts, many top players execute backhands differently, Ma longs elbow is much more tucked in than say timo Boll’s at impact most players move their elbow into that elevated position so I feel it’s a matter of comfort when it comes to the starting position, for me when learning it was easier to just have the elbow up and in front and I got used to the strain now I can do as many as I want without getting tired. As far as body rotation most modern players are not using much if you look at pitchford, Jeoung Young-sik, fan zhendong players who are considered to have the best backhands use littler rotation just because the game is so quick. If you gave them a loose ball a little slower yes they would see the opportunity to load up the waist and use rotation, players like Zhang Jike and Darko are extremely good at this and are able to do it even when the rally is going fast. This is what I have observed and found to be successful for myself and the people I work with. Maybe i should note that players use forward rotation just not a wide up rotation sort of like the one inch punch philosophy
Excellent, thanks a lot for your video, I found a lot of information that you mentioned in the video, because I some time recognized and forgot, now you remind it for me.
Nice video. One thing I feel is very important is not to rush the backswing. Hiromoto in a recent video talked about lining the hand up with the incoming ball. Then as the body starts to come forward the wrist whips back for the backswing and then whips forward resulting in an effortless fast swing. Most club players are not relaxed enough to get this mechanics and swing back too early and too fast before the whip action. If you shadow swing both backswings I think will see what I mean.
I was surprised when I put my robot on 0.6 time interval. That's fast. On my backhand I still had to slow the backswing down a bit to crack the ball hiromoto style. Even at this fast tempo you still need to focus on this for a quality shot. This surprised me and made me realise how important slowing the backswing is.
Last comment. Robot training is a danger as most people swing back too soon and get a bad habit. They do not go to ready position on slower balls etc In a game they struggle on slower balls and the random nature of matches.
Wow thanks and a great video tutorial in here and learnt a lot from this video. But will need to come back here a few times as lots of information to digest in one go.
Amazingly good! Integrate and consolidate a lot of what I have been learning from my coach and my self-exploration of the full suite of techniques. Super thanks from Australia!
Parabéns!!!! Melhor video explicativo para Backhand, você é um ótimo instrutor, me infique quais borrachas devo comprar com baixo custo, para backhand e forehand?
thank you very much for the explanation, very detailed so it helps me understand better. your work is very good. I wish your content success and keep working, and please let me know your setup.
Hey PechPong. im loving your channel. 37mins of full information. you have a good solid knowledge and thank you for imparting. im feeling that i have a personal coach as i listen to you. new subscriber here.
Awesome video Seth, from start to end! Funny you should mention the return board: I have bought one on E-bay two months ago and I have been using it non-stop ever since to perfect my BH loop (also, in part, due to switching to an outer ZLC blade from an inner carbon blade). It is also great to simulate some of the typical training drills (including pivots, and FH/BH transitions). The BH loop is one of my best shots, but it has always been less consistent than my FH (which, instead, I had to build from the ground up and through gruelling, countless hours of training). The board has helped me improve controlling the loop and also understanding how my spin gets back to me after a "block". This is also helping ingrain to better prepare for a transition closer or further away from the table in response to my own shot (i.e., if I load the shot more I should expect a longer/faster ball coming back to me and hence adjust accordingly, etc.).
thats great! yea the return board is such a good feedback tool as well as a good practice partner, I dont know why I didnt look into getting one sooner :)
@@PechPongTT, yeah... I was late to the party, too 😂 For me, it was a case of being used to fine tuning my shots with a robot and then doing drills with sparring partners. It never quite occurred to me that the board could be a decent proxy for a partner in several drills. Plus, some boards are rather expensive. I was lucky I could buy a smaller one (the ones you place on the table) for about $60 AU. Solid and it comes with 8 Chinese tacky rubbers!
A quick question, can you do a backhand loop video for the 'Grip' showing the use of the thumb please, if you have already done this can you answer with the link.. Thanks again for all your work
Amazing explanation. One of the best for backhand. Could you please throw some light on 1)returning sidespin with topspin and sidespin with backspin for both pendulum and reverse pendulum more with respect to racket angles. 2) How different is this compared to backhand flick? 3)How to gauge/anticipate and adjust footwork when the ball is long (bouncing near the end of table)
So for returning side under and side top it’s going to be putting together the components that I mentioned in the video, for side under you’ll want to use your knees and get under the ball, the racket under the table open up the angle a bit more, and to compensate the sidespin you angle your wrist I the opposite direction that the spin wants to go and swing to your target. For backhand serves or reverse serves you will want to pretty much swing normally because the angle of the backhand is already naturally going against the sidespin of the reverse serve. For long pushes to anticipate your opponent you have to see if you can see the subtle cues that they will push long the better players know how to hide their long pushes better. When it does come long just opening the racket and spinning upwards does the trick some of the best players are able to move back with both feet as they are hitting like Hugo calderano and Lin Yun ju Hope that helps
Hi Seth! I love your long videos. Most of the info of TT I consume are from you and Ti Long :) There is a topic that nobody is talking about that would be nice for you to cover in one of your videos. This topic would be ball prediction. Right now I have a fairly good technique overall, but my main failures come from this prediction. And it's quite a deep topic, as the ball arcs differently, bounces higher, lower or horizontally depending on speed, spin, sidespin, dead... And it's quite difficult to predict. It's useful also for the return, because sometimes it's difficult to see the stroke of the serve, but you can see the way the ball moves and predict its spin, speed, and most importantly the bounce and position yourself adequately. Thanks for your amazing work!
Awesome video Seth, thank you so much! Your tutorials are comprehensive and really clearly structured, very linear. I have a question- how much do you focus on your opponent after you play your shot? Currently I feel I’m too focused on the ball and as a result, I react a little late. Would love to hear what your opinion is. All the best!
I’m trying to focus more and more now which takes practice as there are moments that are more important to focus on them than others for example if they like to turn with their forehand being good at seeing that and burning them down the line. Or when they loop is it heavy spin medium or light spins then blocking with the correct angles. There’s many more specific moments it can be important to watch them and you just have to practice them individually.
I think this is a good question, I would add that when I focus more on the body of the opponent just right be fore his return, I will be more likely to predict quite accurate which side he will aim, and what kind of spin he will apply. Previously very often (not the serve) that I only what when the ball start bouncing on the other table, that is a bit too late. To say in another way, like when two people fighting each other (for example when we were child), It's hard to dodge from an hand attack of opponent if we just look at his hand, but could be detected earlier when looking at his eyes and the whole boldy. @@PechPongTT
Great Video. Some really overlooked hints and tips that I would hardly notice on my own. Especially keeping underarm in front and open the angle are great tips. My problem specifically is when I feel I play bh "properly" my shoulder area gets fatigued quite fast. Do you think you need some strength exercises for that area or is it just a case of playing too cramped/wrong technique. When im just playing slower less effort with ellbow low i dont feel the soreness nearly as fast. If you feel like it might be strength related some recommended exercises forbthe shoulder area would be awesome.
For me I just strengthened my arms by doing a lot of practice, to become good at all the timing and adjustments you’ll have to practice many many hours and that will also make your shoulder strong and you won’t notice fatigue nearly as fast. The good news is that actual points are not very long and you won’t get fatigued it’s just the long extended training sessions. If you feel that you don’t compromise your technique I don’t think it’s a problem to have it a little lower, ma longs elbow is lower so I feel it’s also preference.
I think this is your best video so far!! Couple of questions for you: 1) You said that "no-spin" rackets can help learning this stroke. I use rubbers that are now old (1.5 years old with about ~7h weekly training) and i feel like their spin and bounce are significantly lower compared to other players' rackets. However i felt that this helped me a lot into figuring out ways to add spin for the forehand loop/topspin by using the body (for the backhand i dont think it helps me/not sure). Can this damage my teqnique somehow in the future? Should i change rubbers immediately? 2) I had a lot of trouble deciding on whether i should change grip from forehand to backhand. My backhand loop could only work with a drastic grip change that was not realistic in a game situation. I Decided to use the same grip as my forehand, and do less agressive shots with backhand (focused on placement/pressure with low topspin). Do you change grips between the two shots and what does the majority of high level players choose regarding this?
Hi thanks for the compliment, I would change rubber but I don’t think it hurts your game to play with this older rubber. I do change grip I’m like you actually I had a very drastic version and I had to tone it down and find a milder grip for the backhand so it was easier to change from fh to bh.
Yep sames, I used to change my grip but now, I keep my bottom 3 fingers the same and just slightly adjust my thumb and index finger depending on racquet angle
Hi Seth. Love the content..been watching you for a while. I just wanted to know if your shoulders are meant to ache when learning this technique. I seem to have good "wind shield wiper" movement with elbow centred throughout the stroke but i find when i have to play consecutive strokes, in practice, that my shoulder begins to hurt
Yes they will hurt, the good news is you can just take a small break and then get back to it, and also a point will never last long enough that you feel fatigue in the shoulders while playing. I would say that its a good thing because it means your strengthening the muscles and the motion will be easier if you keep it up.
Excellent video. Is it possible that one can instinctively have a greater feel and easier execution of let's say the backhand than the forehand. I have a very hard time with the forehand loop. The backhand is like hand in glove for me. I am grateful for this video it will advance my game and take it to the next level.
Excellent video Seth! I always get something that improves my play from you! So thank you for your time and effort into putting these video's together for us all. Oh, what doe you use for your raquet, forehand & Backhand rubbers? I just switched to Timo Bolle Alc, 09c forehand and Gewo super select 45 on backhand, What are your thoughts?
Thank you for the kind words! I’m glad you and other get something from them. That setup sounds very solid hope you like it. I use tibhar K3 on both sides and samsonov unlimited blade I feel it’s a touch faster than my old viscarias
Very nice video with lot of good information to improve skills. I have one question about shake hand grip. I often see many players suggest to not change the grip from forehand to backhand however for my case I can’t follow that because when I use forehand my thumb is not same as backhand as you have shown in your video at 5:00 min approximately. In other words when I change my grip from forehand to backhand my grip always changes due to the thumb adjustment. The question to you do changing grip from forehand to backhand Is correct ? Or please advice if you have better suggestions Thanks
Good question, it is ok to change pretty much every single top level player makes some adjustment or another when switching from forehand to backhand, Dima and Timo Boll have e severe change but they manage to do it quickly, I think when you are starting out as a beginner its best to try to keep it stable but when you improve you can start to change a bit, you just have to practice a lot of transitioning random drills and try to get faster at changing grips.
Hi Seth, Thank you very much for the profession and detailed video, fantastic work. I have one question please, in your video on Unstoppable Forehand Loop HOW TO! @ 5.45 you emphasise the importance of keeping a stable racket angle for faster learning. However, in this video for BH Loop @ 17.50 you are suggesting that it's best to roll over the ball from an open to closed racket. So, is it a case of keeping the angle locked for the FH loop, but preferably allow it to go from open to close for the BH loop and roll over the ball? Thanks
Hey good observation, yes I was thinking about how contradictory that may sound as well. With forehand it’s easy to keep the angle stable through the swing due to the anatomy of the body. On the backhand I feel that it’s most important to let the hand flow and close naturally, if I was to dissect it more I would say yes keeping it stable on the backhand through the hitting area is good I think mainly just letting it close on the follow through is important. Hope that helps sorry for the confusion
very knowledgable I like all the small details it help me have a better picture . question is it easer for biggeners to start with bh blocking than later bh drive ? becouse thats what my coach start with me ..... blocking with little push forward almost no rest movment
Thank you, to be honest I don’t think it matters all that much which you start with. Most start with a simple strait bump and slowly progress from there to making a stroke maybe blocking may be easier to learn at first because they don’t have to move the paddle so much.
@@PechPongTT thank you for taking the time to produce the quality content. The next day after watching your video I tried to apply to practice what I've learnt. In particular the elbow position 😉
Excelente, me gustaría darte un abrazo :) cuesta un poco ya que tengo que subtitular el video pero es impresionante. Todas mis dudas respondidas en un solo video. Grácias
I like everything except loosing your grip, myself as a beginner, I've had this issue, when I used loose grip which was making everything 10000x times more random and less consistent, maybe this is more advanced technique or smth, but after I started having good firm grip my consistency rised by a lot.
I have the opposite problem. I have a hard time with my forehand, there appears to be to many ways to swing. With the backhand it just feels like there's so much better feeling. My humble request is to do this style of video for the forehand, these videos are gold.
ua-cam.com/video/BY5t3Dhqi7o/v-deo.html
Thats a good point you make there are a lot of different ways to possibly hit the forehand and finding your style is tough. I made a video about all I know on the forehand, if you go into my library you can see it it’s the one with a picture of Ma Long
Actually I also feel that my problem is the forehand of the loop. The movement ist much bigger and therefore much harder to controll (shot selection) for the suitable outcome in a specific situation or for a specific ball
I'm the same, but he already did on for FH here: ua-cam.com/video/BY5t3Dhqi7o/v-deo.html
Try to feel your index finger when you contact, forehand takes bit longer
Seth, you have no idea how badly i needed this. Ive been looking for ways to improve my backhand loop for weeks now. This video is an eyeopener on so many levels. Heading into training with it later. Thanks for all the passion and effort you put into your content! We keep grinding, cheers!
Great! Glad you liked it, hopefully your backhand will improve much!!
Very detailed and comprehensive, I wish you can produce more tutorial video in the future!
Thank you very much!! I’m glad you liked it, I’m working hard to make more soon 👍👍
Exceptionally good! I will be coming back to this video again and again.
Thank you! Yes it’s here for anyone and everyone :)
Same here
Same too. I return at this video many times. Same with the forehand video!
Thanks a lot, Seth!!! You are thee best coaching
13:30 is the best learning point of the whole video. and every player should adopt this mindset for every stroke, forehand backhand pushes serves etc. BRAVO you're incredible Seth!
Vielen Dank aus Deutschland. Dank deiner Videos kann ich es unseren Kindern im Jugendtraining sehr viel leichter erklären. Sobald sie die Technik verstanden haben und richtig ausführen, spielen sie gleich ein zwei Level höher. Vielen Dank für deine umfangreiche Arbeit im Namen aller Jugendtrainer denen deine Videos geholfen haben. Old Nicenec
I love this video! Thank you very much. I will share it at my club and hope that these different ideas will help my students to get a solid backhand loop in time. Tks!
Thank you glad you liked it, hopefully they find it useful as well!
#1 youtube video on the backhand now! :D.
My best takeaways:
1. the 'punch' had no idea about this.
2. high - high rather than low to high, or mid-mid method.
3. from another video, waiting for a high ball to drop before doing the back hand loop this helped me massively in my games.
Suggested missing bits in the video.
+ I wonder how does someone move leftward in a hurry since most instructional videos are about moving rightward for the crossover foot work , but no-one talks about how to move extreme left when someone returns wide with the backhand. What do you do, when someone returns it to wide backhand, and no time to move Left what do you do?
Hello thank you for the takeaways. That is a good topic how to move leftwards, I believe Fan zhendong does this so well he takes a big step with his right foot first crossing it over his left then take a big step with his left and it helps keep the body really stable while moving leftwards very fast take a look at him especially his younger videos he loves to move more then haha
Seen many videos on backhand loop that is the best because you took so much time to fully explain each step. Thankyou
Thanks 🙏 best of luck to you!
You are the best who provided detailed educational programs in the game of table tennis. Thank you from the Republic of Yemen
Hey Thank you! thats so cool that you can watch and learn from the videos I make over in Yemen!
I went back to watching this video and I’ll watch the FH too and other videos. A light bulb just turned on and I learned how to feel the ball and grab it on contact at the same time putting a little grip pressure to feel the pull of the rubber/sponge. Thank you.
This video explains well when to start moving the wrist during the stroke ei when you feel the ball contact. 👍
Glad it helped!! I made these videos as a reference to keep coming back to! Best of luck 🙌
@@PechPongTTYou’ll be a great coach. And maybe you’ll have your own table tennis gym later.
Amazing quality and a lot of effort put in the video!
It lies on its own level of detail and information compared to many other TT content creators 🙏🙏
This is GOLD. Thank you so much for the effort you have gone to. This video, like so many of yours, is very beneficial.
I’m glad you think so :)
Great tutorial and review, my friend. Your channel is good for pingpong lovers. Keep up the good work
Thank you so much 👍
Thanks! What brand of return board is the one you showed? Just watched one your matches with you spinning and leaping around the table. Could not help but wonder if you could do something like the two highest monetized table tennis channels...Pongfinity and Adam Bobrow. Neither of them can do the acrobatics that you often do. I know you are more of a serious player but would love for you to get more eyeballs. You did not mention the use of rubber bands to a strengthen your backhand. Still using it? What is your blade and rubber? Thanks for taking time to produce these videos.
Hello yes those are some great ideas I’m worried that maybe my channels focus is more about learning than entertainment which is where pongfinity and Adam excel! I do like the idea of coming up with some hype videos to boost the viewership I will try to figure out how to incorporate your ideas! I do still use the rubber bands very helpful to keep strengthening my shoulder muscles
I'm an Indian and i found you are so clear in your accent Seth. Lovely explanation for backhand 👉
Thank you! haha im glad you can understand my accent :)
Seth, there are tons of pieces of advice in this video, and well-pondered images to illustrate them (e.g., the freesbee, the fishing rod). Besides being a great player, you are such an effective pedagogue. Many thanks!
Thank you! I try my best to Illustrate the ideas for everyone to understand! good luck :)
Yes, this instruction came off very well. Many helpful tips/drills and advice to improve the backhand.
Thank you! Glad it did 😃
You are the best. This backhand video on table tennis is the best.
Thanks man
@@africantales124 thanks I’m glad you liked the video!
oooo man you are the best, I learn so quick from your tutorials. I'm a bit sad that I FOUND you just few weeks ago( better late than never), im gonna recoman your channel to everyone, thank you.
That’s good that you learn quickly from them!! Thanks 🙏
Seth thx you bro!!!! I wish I can also learn from you in person. I use viscaria and dignics 05 on both sides. Do you have any recommendations?
This is a good combo of rubbers personally I use K3 from Tibhar because i can counterloop easier with it but I feel Dignics and k3 are very similar except in price haha k3 is more towards 09c tho and is a little harder somthing to consider
@@PechPongTT cool man right now I'm using innerforce ZLC with D09C on forehand and D05 on backhand. Btw Seth, can you please do a video on backhand serve third ball tactics?
Thanks
Thank you so much! :) glad you like the videos!
A lot of love has gone into this video. Thank you!
Excellent videos, I have been using UA-cam to improve my techniques, your videos are the most effective, thanks and please keep doing them
Thanks so much Seth!!! The video was GREAT!!! I think I've been on the right track for the most part so it was awesome to get positive reinforcement and there was some wonderful new info in there as well. Also, I built a return board several months ago and have been using it with my BH for the last month or two. I agree it really does seem to help to have to adjust to what I'm putting on the ball.
Thanks! And yeah the return board is so useful! Keep up the good works
Every time I recheck this video I find it just so helpful. Actually every video you make ist just extremely good
Thank you, I try to pack as much good knowlage in to all the videos I do
I have a question, I improved my backhand alot but I was working only on incoming pure topspin/backspin balls. Now sidespin balls messes me up , every long sidespin serve I guess is just not into my sweetspot hitting zone, if you (or anyone) could give me an advice on looping pendulum serves and also the reverse serves (reverse pendulum, backhand or tomahok serves).
The Best video tutorial in UA-cam for the Backhand! Thank you so much! 😇👏
Thank you sir! I’m glad you liked it :)
Really some of the best table tennis content on youtube! Keep it up man.
A video suggestion of me would be a basic tutorial for a pendulum serve (pure backspin, side-backspin, side-topspin), without any fancy stuff like fake motions.
Also with like the basic serving posture and maybe some tactics to go with a pendulum serve (for example short heavy backspin or empty serve, ...).
I dont really know how tight to hold the racket or how to get good wrist acceleration and brush on the ball.
Especially with the side-topspin i cant seem to get a good amount of spin in my serve (i dont really understand the mechanics of side-topspin serve) and i cant seem to do a good no spin serve where the opponent doesnt immediately knows its empty.
Hi thank you, that’s a good idea just a basic serve tutorial video on how to do the things you mentioned, I like that. Hiding your no spin serve can be tough I guess the main thing that makes a no spin serve tough is how much movement you can make fast without creating underspin some players hit near to the handle so because there is less speed there.
Another high quality video from the best TT channel out there! Some golden tips for me were: 1) how to use the loop on a no-spin/pips ball; 2) practicing random loops like a high BH loop to improve feeling 3) the skill chart at 14:15 (you definitely have an engineer's mindset of breaking down things down logically into components and sub-components); 4) the value of a return board
And a request: could you please upload a session of you using your return board for BH practice as you described where you varied depth and placement. I recently bought one but have used it mainly for my forehand and was having trouble generating enough pace to use it consistently with my backhand.
Haha I knew I should have added some b-roll with the section I talked about the robot! Yeah I will be sure to put that in a video maybe I can do it at the end of my next match review! Thanks for the compliments on the video :)
@@PechPongTT Thank you, Looking fwd to it
Just amazingily jam packed with great advice from years of experience. You are the best for sure!
Thank you! yes years of searching and practice 😊
Best video on backhand technique on youtube, thank you Seth
Great video, Seth
Keep up the good work, brother. Your hard work is much, much, appreciated.
Thank you! 🙏 I will keep it up :)
This video was a game changer for me... in the sessions i played after watching this video, my backhand was something else... thank you Seth
Eyyyy! That’s what I was hoping to hear! I’m glad you improved after watching
Thanks man, especially for the dead ball tips. I'm gonna practice that tomorrow :D
Yes good luck! Hope it works out well
I've never seen a person feed multi-ball with that dead ball technique before. Definitely gonna try that out because I struggle against the anti-spin, short pips, or players that do that dead ball block.
I like this video even before I watched it. That’s just how good your content is.
Wow thank you! You and another’s who view and comment are so supportive thank you!
Please make one video about how to read the spin, or how to return the services.
Thanks for the content, very instructive...
cant wait to use some improvements of my bh loop that you've shown here, thanks A LOT !
Master class ..thanks..i have one point regarding the positioning of the elbow:
Some coaches say that putting the elbow high forward creates tension in the shoulder and after some loops you will feel the pain and wont be able to loop much. so they say this makes the shot less effective, also because the use of body rotation would be less. They say its all about body rotation. The racket arm and wrist just follow the body rotation and stop at the right time. I must say i also feel tension and pain when putting the elbow high forward.. I thought about it as follows: When you stand straight and keep the elbow near the body in a comfortable position and then just lift the arm with the racket in front the belly, then when you bend knees and hip to lean the upper body forward you will automatically have the space between the elbow and the body without having to move it in a position. Sot the elbow would be directed more downward to the floor, instead of being directed to the side in the other case...is this space not enough? wouldn't this also help prevent the mistake of reaching to the ball? and doesn't also help transmit more body rotation and force to the shot since the arm is near to the body rotation axis? Would be nice to know your thoughts about this issue. Many thanks
Hi good thoughts, many top players execute backhands differently, Ma longs elbow is much more tucked in than say timo Boll’s at impact most players move their elbow into that elevated position so I feel it’s a matter of comfort when it comes to the starting position, for me when learning it was easier to just have the elbow up and in front and I got used to the strain now I can do as many as I want without getting tired. As far as body rotation most modern players are not using much if you look at pitchford, Jeoung Young-sik, fan zhendong players who are considered to have the best backhands use littler rotation just because the game is so quick. If you gave them a loose ball a little slower yes they would see the opportunity to load up the waist and use rotation, players like Zhang Jike and Darko are extremely good at this and are able to do it even when the rally is going fast. This is what I have observed and found to be successful for myself and the people I work with.
Maybe i should note that players use forward rotation just not a wide up rotation sort of like the one inch punch philosophy
Excelent! The best video on UA-cam about backhand👏👏👏👏👏👏
Thank you!! I’m glad you think so 🙌
I loved this video. It was so detailed and so well explained. Fantastic.
Great to hear :) glad you got something from it.
Maaaan, love your videos, it's full of rich tips and a mix of pro videos and your own videos! It's amazing!
Thank you I’m glad you have been enjoying them! I like making them and getting the knowledge out there :)
Excellent, thanks a lot for your video, I found a lot of information that you mentioned in the video, because I some time recognized and forgot, now you remind it for me.
yes many times we know but need to be reminded best of luck on your game!
Nice video. One thing I feel is very important is not to rush the backswing. Hiromoto in a recent video talked about lining the hand up with the incoming ball. Then as the body starts to come forward the wrist whips back for the backswing and then whips forward resulting in an effortless fast swing. Most club players are not relaxed enough to get this mechanics and swing back too early and too fast before the whip action. If you shadow swing both backswings I think will see what I mean.
That’s such good insight! Thanks for sharing!
I was surprised when I put my robot on 0.6 time interval. That's fast. On my backhand I still had to slow the backswing down a bit to crack the ball hiromoto style. Even at this fast tempo you still need to focus on this for a quality shot. This surprised me and made me realise how important slowing the backswing is.
The other thing is a slower backswing creates time to react to the ball and line the ball up. You're less rushed to read the placement and spin.
Last comment. Robot training is a danger as most people swing back too soon and get a bad habit. They do not go to ready position on slower balls etc In a game they struggle on slower balls and the random nature of matches.
This is really amazing work done explaining, visualizations, common mistakes, how to set up a progression. Thank you!
Thank you! Glad you found it useful!
Wow thanks and a great video tutorial in here and learnt a lot from this video. But will need to come back here a few times as lots of information to digest in one go.
Great to hear! yes come back and watch again thats why I make the videos condensed. Best of luck !
Amazingly good! Integrate and consolidate a lot of what I have been learning from my coach and my self-exploration of the full suite of techniques. Super thanks from Australia!
Hey thanks! Glad you found it complimentary to what you have been working on 👍
Omg can’t believe this video finally come. Tks so much 😂
Yes it was a while in the making!
Parabéns!!!! Melhor video explicativo para Backhand, você é um ótimo instrutor, me infique quais borrachas devo comprar com baixo custo, para backhand e forehand?
thank you very much for the explanation, very detailed so it helps me understand better. your work is very good. I wish your content success and keep working, and please let me know your setup.
Hey PechPong. im loving your channel. 37mins of full information. you have a good solid knowledge and thank you for imparting. im feeling that i have a personal coach as i listen to you. new subscriber here.
Great to hear that your loving the content! Best of luck with your game 😊
Thanks Seth, there is a lot of content here that will take time to absorb.
Thank you very much! Yes I wanted to make it a large video so all the info is in one place.
Really nice video! Well organized, simply put and clearly explained. Strongly recommended!
Thank you very much for the great compliments on the video! I’ll try to keep that standard on the next ones!
Big thanks from France 🙏 your video helps a lot keep it up 💪
thanks! so cool that you are watching from there :) I will do my best new videos coming to a computer near you!
Hello Seth, great video as always. Very gut structured and presented.
Thank you!
What an excellent teacher you are! 👏 👍
Awesome video Seth, from start to end!
Funny you should mention the return board: I have bought one on E-bay two months ago and I have been using it non-stop ever since to perfect my BH loop (also, in part, due to switching to an outer ZLC blade from an inner carbon blade).
It is also great to simulate some of the typical training drills (including pivots, and FH/BH transitions).
The BH loop is one of my best shots, but it has always been less consistent than my FH (which, instead, I had to build from the ground up and through gruelling, countless hours of training).
The board has helped me improve controlling the loop and also understanding how my spin gets back to me after a "block".
This is also helping ingrain to better prepare for a transition closer or further away from the table in response to my own shot (i.e., if I load the shot more I should expect a longer/faster ball coming back to me and hence adjust accordingly, etc.).
thats great! yea the return board is such a good feedback tool as well as a good practice partner, I dont know why I didnt look into getting one sooner :)
@@PechPongTT, yeah... I was late to the party, too 😂
For me, it was a case of being used to fine tuning my shots with a robot and then doing drills with sparring partners.
It never quite occurred to me that the board could be a decent proxy for a partner in several drills.
Plus, some boards are rather expensive.
I was lucky I could buy a smaller one (the ones you place on the table) for about $60 AU.
Solid and it comes with 8 Chinese tacky rubbers!
production quality is amazing 💯
Thank you I try to always improve the quality on my videos :)
wow, just wow. So much effort in this video, thank you so much!
Thanks yeah I put a lot of effort into this glad you liked it
I am a trainer and I agree in every point, thanks for your great work!
Means a lot :) I’m glad we agree together 🙌
A quick question, can you do a backhand loop video for the 'Grip' showing the use of the thumb please, if you have already done this can you answer with the link.. Thanks again for all your work
Well done Seth. This was very informative and helpful for sure. Thanks for sharing bro
thank you! glad you liked it
Very nice tips. Since I'm struggling against dead balls for a while, I'll try implement some of those.
Yes hopefully the dead ball won’t give you any more grief!
Its a good idea you put this in one big video , as a forehand oriented player , thank you so much
One and done! No searching around I’m a forehand player to haha
Very clear explanation, he is a good coach
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Thanks 😁
Amazing explanation. One of the best for backhand.
Could you please throw some light on
1)returning sidespin with topspin and sidespin with backspin for both pendulum and reverse pendulum more with respect to racket angles.
2) How different is this compared to backhand flick?
3)How to gauge/anticipate and adjust footwork when the ball is long (bouncing near the end of table)
So for returning side under and side top it’s going to be putting together the components that I mentioned in the video, for side under you’ll want to use your knees and get under the ball, the racket under the table open up the angle a bit more, and to compensate the sidespin you angle your wrist I the opposite direction that the spin wants to go and swing to your target. For backhand serves or reverse serves you will want to pretty much swing normally because the angle of the backhand is already naturally going against the sidespin of the reverse serve. For long pushes to anticipate your opponent you have to see if you can see the subtle cues that they will push long the better players know how to hide their long pushes better. When it does come long just opening the racket and spinning upwards does the trick some of the best players are able to move back with both feet as they are hitting like Hugo calderano and Lin Yun ju
Hope that helps
@@PechPongTT thanks a ton again for taking time and clearing doubts 🙂
Thanks!
I am impressed by your tutorial.
Very detailed, pedagogical, and professional.
Where can I buy a return board??
Congratulations.
I got my return board on Amazon! Maybe try eBay as well.
Hi Seth! I love your long videos. Most of the info of TT I consume are from you and Ti Long :)
There is a topic that nobody is talking about that would be nice for you to cover in one of your videos. This topic would be ball prediction. Right now I have a fairly good technique overall, but my main failures come from this prediction. And it's quite a deep topic, as the ball arcs differently, bounces higher, lower or horizontally depending on speed, spin, sidespin, dead... And it's quite difficult to predict. It's useful also for the return, because sometimes it's difficult to see the stroke of the serve, but you can see the way the ball moves and predict its spin, speed, and most importantly the bounce and position yourself adequately.
Thanks for your amazing work!
Thank you for the tutorial! Will put into practice, comp is coming soon.
Thank you for taking the time to make this!
Of course! Here to help!
Honestly, you and Ti Long are the best online coaches :))
He’s got a lot of great stuff I’ve seen some of it
Thanks, much needed! Backhand has always been my weakness.
I feel you on that one! Glad you liked it
謝謝！
Thank you very much! 🙏😃😃
I can only recommand this video! Its excellent. Thx Pech!!
Thanks! 😁😁
Awesome video Seth, thank you so much! Your tutorials are comprehensive and really clearly structured, very linear.
I have a question- how much do you focus on your opponent after you play your shot? Currently I feel I’m too focused on the ball and as a result, I react a little late. Would love to hear what your opinion is. All the best!
I’m trying to focus more and more now which takes practice as there are moments that are more important to focus on them than others for example if they like to turn with their forehand being good at seeing that and burning them down the line. Or when they loop is it heavy spin medium or light spins then blocking with the correct angles. There’s many more specific moments it can be important to watch them and you just have to practice them individually.
I think this is a good question, I would add that when I focus more on the body of the opponent just right be fore his return, I will be more likely to predict quite accurate which side he will aim, and what kind of spin he will apply. Previously very often (not the serve) that I only what when the ball start bouncing on the other table, that is a bit too late. To say in another way, like when two people fighting each other (for example when we were child), It's hard to dodge from an hand attack of opponent if we just look at his hand, but could be detected earlier when looking at his eyes and the whole boldy. @@PechPongTT
Great vid, very informative. I wanna know more about how you use the return board. Maybe you can make a video with some drills.
Thank you! I will post something soon about that.
26:21 high ball punch shot
Great Video. Some really overlooked hints and tips that I would hardly notice on my own. Especially keeping underarm in front and open the angle are great tips. My problem specifically is when I feel I play bh "properly" my shoulder area gets fatigued quite fast. Do you think you need some strength exercises for that area or is it just a case of playing too cramped/wrong technique. When im just playing slower less effort with ellbow low i dont feel the soreness nearly as fast. If you feel like it might be strength related some recommended exercises forbthe shoulder area would be awesome.
For me I just strengthened my arms by doing a lot of practice, to become good at all the timing and adjustments you’ll have to practice many many hours and that will also make your shoulder strong and you won’t notice fatigue nearly as fast. The good news is that actual points are not very long and you won’t get fatigued it’s just the long extended training sessions.
If you feel that you don’t compromise your technique I don’t think it’s a problem to have it a little lower, ma longs elbow is lower so I feel it’s also preference.
I think this is your best video so far!! Couple of questions for you:
1) You said that "no-spin" rackets can help learning this stroke. I use rubbers that are now old (1.5 years old with about ~7h weekly training) and i feel like their spin and bounce are significantly lower compared to other players' rackets. However i felt that this helped me a lot into figuring out ways to add spin for the forehand loop/topspin by using the body (for the backhand i dont think it helps me/not sure). Can this damage my teqnique somehow in the future? Should i change rubbers immediately?
2) I had a lot of trouble deciding on whether i should change grip from forehand to backhand. My backhand loop could only work with a drastic grip change that was not realistic in a game situation. I Decided to use the same grip as my forehand, and do less agressive shots with backhand (focused on placement/pressure with low topspin). Do you change grips between the two shots and what does the majority of high level players choose regarding this?
Hi thanks for the compliment, I would change rubber but I don’t think it hurts your game to play with this older rubber. I do change grip I’m like you actually I had a very drastic version and I had to tone it down and find a milder grip for the backhand so it was easier to change from fh to bh.
Yep sames, I used to change my grip but now, I keep my bottom 3 fingers the same and just slightly adjust my thumb and index finger depending on racquet angle
@@PechPongTT I see! Thanks for the answer! I guess i will try a very light change as well
Hi Seth. Love the content..been watching you for a while. I just wanted to know if your shoulders are meant to ache when learning this technique. I seem to have good "wind shield wiper" movement with elbow centred throughout the stroke but i find when i have to play consecutive strokes, in practice, that my shoulder begins to hurt
Yes they will hurt, the good news is you can just take a small break and then get back to it, and also a point will never last long enough that you feel fatigue in the shoulders while playing. I would say that its a good thing because it means your strengthening the muscles and the motion will be easier if you keep it up.
Excellent video. Is it possible that one can instinctively have a greater feel and easier execution of let's say the backhand than the forehand.
I have a very hard time with the forehand loop. The backhand is like hand in glove for me. I am grateful for this video it will advance my game and take it to the next level.
Yeah I really feel that some people are more inclined to have a better forehand than a backhand. thanks for the compliments on the video :)
Very good video, well done!!! My son want to practice his backhand loop, and it is good help. and i will block for 20 to 60min.lol
Hi.
Do you ever change your grip when hitting a backhand loop or do you stick with the handshake grip?
Excellent video Seth! I always get something that improves my play from you! So thank you for your time and effort into putting these video's together for us all. Oh, what doe you use for your raquet, forehand & Backhand rubbers? I just switched to Timo Bolle Alc, 09c forehand and Gewo super select 45 on backhand, What are your thoughts?
Thank you for the kind words! I’m glad you and other get something from them. That setup sounds very solid hope you like it. I use tibhar K3 on both sides and samsonov unlimited blade I feel it’s a touch faster than my old viscarias
Very nice video with lot of good information to improve skills. I have one question about shake hand grip. I often see many players suggest to not change the grip from forehand to backhand however for my case I can’t follow that because when I use forehand my thumb is not same as backhand as you have shown in your video at 5:00 min approximately. In other words when I change my grip from forehand to backhand my grip always changes due to the thumb adjustment. The question to you do changing grip from forehand to backhand Is correct ? Or please advice if you have better suggestions
Thanks
Good question, it is ok to change pretty much every single top level player makes some adjustment or another when switching from forehand to backhand, Dima and Timo Boll have e severe change but they manage to do it quickly, I think when you are starting out as a beginner its best to try to keep it stable but when you improve you can start to change a bit, you just have to practice a lot of transitioning random drills and try to get faster at changing grips.
@@PechPongTT thanks it’s clear:) take care
This video is a masterpiece, bravo! 🏓
Thanks! I was very happy how it turned out, many have said it helped!
Hi Seth, Thank you very much for the profession and detailed video, fantastic work. I have one question please, in your video on Unstoppable Forehand Loop HOW TO! @ 5.45 you emphasise the importance of keeping a stable racket angle for faster learning. However, in this video for BH Loop @ 17.50 you are suggesting that it's best to roll over the ball from an open to closed racket. So, is it a case of keeping the angle locked for the FH loop, but preferably allow it to go from open to close for the BH loop and roll over the ball? Thanks
Hey good observation, yes I was thinking about how contradictory that may sound as well. With forehand it’s easy to keep the angle stable through the swing due to the anatomy of the body. On the backhand I feel that it’s most important to let the hand flow and close naturally, if I was to dissect it more I would say yes keeping it stable on the backhand through the hitting area is good I think mainly just letting it close on the follow through is important. Hope that helps sorry for the confusion
Thank you for you sharing sir helps alot fo many people who wants to lear table tenish
The more Information the better!
Yes open the racket is help to precise catch the ball.
Yes glad you agree!
very knowledgable I like all the small details it help me have a better picture . question is it easer for biggeners to start with bh blocking than later bh drive ? becouse thats what my coach start with me ..... blocking with little push forward almost no rest movment
Thank you, to be honest I don’t think it matters all that much which you start with. Most start with a simple strait bump and slowly progress from there to making a stroke maybe blocking may be easier to learn at first because they don’t have to move the paddle so much.
@@PechPongTT I got wt u mean thanks saving this video for future progress :)
Great content, with great structure and great presentation! Subscribed!
Thank you for the Sub! More stuff to come!
@@PechPongTT thank you for taking the time to produce the quality content. The next day after watching your video I tried to apply to practice what I've learnt. In particular the elbow position 😉
Excelente, me gustaría darte un abrazo :) cuesta un poco ya que tengo que subtitular el video pero es impresionante.
Todas mis dudas respondidas en un solo video. Grácias
Gracias! Estoy muy contento de que hayas podido entender el video a pesar de que está en un idioma diferente.
Excellent video👍. Very helpful 👌. Thanks a lot!!! 🙏
Glad you liked it!
First video of yours I’m watching. Terrific stuff. Found you via sub Reddit
It's a high quality video. Good technique explanation
Thank you! I try my best!
I like everything except loosing your grip, myself as a beginner, I've had this issue, when I used loose grip which was making everything 10000x times more random and less consistent, maybe this is more advanced technique or smth, but after I started having good firm grip my consistency rised by a lot.
Super tutorial. Very detailed
Make the wheel spin, great way of thinking about it, don't know why I've never visualised that before.
My coach taught it to me when I first picked up a racket
Helpful video as usual; thanks indeed.