THE FINALS esports will SUCK because of this mechanic :(
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
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Timestamps:
Intro 0:00
Normal Spawn Mechanics 0:51
Normal Applications 1:28
Spawn Bug Explanation 1:56
Why I like this Bug 2:20
How Embark can Fix Spawns 2:40
Why the Normal Spawn Mechanics Suck 3:17
Add more Spawns Embark 4:04
Concluding Thoughts 4:39
Outro 5:43
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This got fixed in today’s update.
he said that in the video
They didnt really fix em tho
Nah they didn’t fix it. I’m being spawned basically right next to the other team
I like the middle ground approach, dont spawn people directly on the cashout (stuff like monaco corner house is horrible for that) and dont spawn them across the map
the predictable spawns are a bigger issue imo, i’ve seen way too many people got naded and insta killed when spawning in, most notably the garden between the mansion and the office building. if they can make it dynamic with a consistent range, it would be absolutely brilliant
Ok so I had a slightly different thing happen. I was playing the actual smoking guns event and us and another team got wiped and when we respawned we spawned directly in the same spot. Both of us were caught off guard and it took us a sec to realize and then they just got wiped a second time like 10 seconds after spawning
lol that is wild, I've never had that happen but I guess if you both teams spawn at the same time, it is possible
@@EkaZokoI can confirm. Happened to me as well. Btw Ekazoko. I’m Diamond 1 now. Thanks
That's very strange
the video in a nutshell :
team spawn middle distance = game good
What i dont like is that in ranked, points matter and you get 1000 just for opening a cash box so the team that spawns close to the cashbox gets the 1k and the teams that are 100+m away cant get there in time. its an unfair advantage and all teams should be equal distance from the first cashboxes imo
This game is not competitive or skill based, 3rd parties most common!
Outcomes totally random by just one nuke!
When you're not glued together as a team, you can barely win any encounters against certain class combinations!
Spawns are also messed up on some maps!
Imagine you're in the final round and you spawn on the last spawn after a wipe and you run through the whole map!
Only when you fight 3vs3 it's competitive, the rest is just random tdm!
4:04 about that spawn thing i jsut had a case where 2 teams (my and some other) were eliminated at the same time AND WE SPAWNED IN THE SAME PLACE, lets say we got double wipeout'd by a triple heavy team
lol I saw someone else also commented that, were you the other team by chance during a smoking guns event match?
I think that if one's team (if team wiped) were allowed to choose e.g. three or four different spawn points, would add an interesting strategic element to the game
I like that too, but it might take them awhile to implement that
I watched this video to the end, I enjoyed it. It was very calm and wasn't coaching haha.
For me I think personally that the mechanic spawn(old) was if there are none cash out in progress then you will spawn at your "default" spawn location when you enter the map. And I dont know when the bug is happen(maybe the glitch/bug was cause by the update, cus the old code vs the new code cause the bug).
I think Embark need to dive deep on the spawn mechanic for many cases/scenario base on the game data they have(by watching twitch or get thier data on player marco strategy).
Sometimes I've even seen teammates spawn far from each other. I have only encountered this a few times in the last few months though.
This usually happens when a teammate coins right when there are no teammates alive, so the game spawns them the furthest away rather than where the last teammate died.
@@EkaZoko Ty. Love the content, keep it up!
I just payed it for the first time last night but we had a team spawn with us at our spawn. It was basically a double wipe at the furthest spawn with two teams. It definitely ensured the third team got their cash out lets just say.
Not to forget to mention the matches with three stack rage hackers on 1 team evey 6th or so match on-top! 3:55 5:49
I am going to miss spawning super close to objectives in the final round. 3v3 is always a snoozefest with how slow it is.
Spawn teams within 100 meters or maybe 80 with some aps turret that removes spawn traps. Then have team wipes take around half the time in the final round so the round can have more fighting than waiting.
agreed
Goood, I watched scrims analysis, I want more! subscribed for part 2 yo
its on the way!
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As much as I hate the messed up spawn, I think I prefer it because I hate manipulation spawn and having to run so far to get to the cashout
You're right. Should be changed. Thanks for not focusing on silly balancing demands like 90% of the community!
Current (fixed) spawns are just crazy, got spawned inside mines twice in a row and lost the ranked match because of it.
Yea I watched some streams and it was wild. I saw on reddit people were debating if that was a bannable offense.
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Theres times when we defending a cashout and both teams get wiped, us and the constesting team, they spawn us defending the furthest possible and the team that was trying to steal get a free steal last seconds, and we cant even reach there to defend our cashoutThats so unfair, should give advantage to the team that has the cashout!
Sorry, I still didn't get, how does the spawn works for now..
So - wait and put still works?
What about 200mt in the finals?
I saw one time team spawned right on me... Skyway stadium, there is actually a bad spawn point
Right now, spawns put you away from other teams if there is no cashout in progress. Spawns put you close to a cashout site if that site is in progress. Which is why people wait to start a cashout to force spawns on the other side of the map. They just fixed the spawn bug that makes you spawn near other teams today.
A month late on this video, but still hoping you see it in your inbox. I'm an outsider trying to understand esports better and had a general question for someone with experience in esports and also potential interest in The Finals as an esport. According to one theory, to create a new, innovative solution to a problem, typically the initial solution needs to be carefully 'optimized,' whether from top-down or bottom-up. Top-down would be like a big corporate enterprise, putting lots of money in, etc. You would know the examples of those in esports. Bottom-up you would know from esports history as well, but it is not obvious to me that the same kind of organic growth could occur in a mkt where esports have already gotten big in other games. My question: is there a different kind of 'optimized' bottom-up approach for a game like The Finals as of 2024? My mental model might be something like the barnstorming 'pro wrestlers' of past eras. You focus on personalities. You hype up exhibition matches. Rather than a big tournament, with, let's face it, not a ton of cash at stake in the early stages of development, would creators do much better to build their own hype by collaborating in building their own rivalries, team identities, etc., on a much more intimate scale? Rather than optimizing broadcasts live, which require lots of money and resources, use the same editing tricks you have been using to craft a relatively polished presentation of the matches (after some videos hyping them up ahead of time, showing training, or debates, or whatever), with commentary, different POVs, replays, whatever. I know this is a grandiose vision, but even with a game that currently has as many flaws and shortcomings as The Finals does, it seems like it would make for interesting content, especially as long as people are going to be 'content creators' anyway. Let's see, you have ~3+k subs just on YT and have videos that get more views than that. You have a certain personality, as do the people you like to play with, you have certain philosophies, and strategies, etc. Now, pick another creator that has done The Finals content in a similar way and has a team they frequently play with. Collaborate on a best of 5 set of private matches or whatever and create content from lots of angles around them. Is this a crazy idea? If you already know from experience that the return on time and energy invested would not be great and that this has been tried before. Of course, there is the other hurdle, which is ego, reputational risk from losing, etc., but surely there are creators who could manage those issues. Sorry for this. Again, perhaps something like this has been tried many times before, for many different games, but again, I'm an outsider just fascinated with the industry and still trying to learn about it.
I think the Bottom-up approach is possible but I just haven't seen many content creators that have like an established team or playstyle and to my own knowledge, I'm the only content creator that makes these sort of in-depth strategy videos. It would be hard to collaborate with anyone where it would be a win win for everyone. I would prefer the scenario where I could play against other content creators in a competitive private match every week and share footage but I just haven't found any. But I believe THE FINALS is ramping up to be big once they fix bugs, cheaters, and maybe even hosting their own tournaments.
@@EkaZoko Once again, another month has passed, but I still hope you see this, as you seem good about reading comments. The video linked to below is a 'proof-of-concept' for what I had in mind above. I think I finally realized that something like the bottom-up approach I was imagining will only have a chance of working if there is a division of labor between player-creators (who are busy with their own stuff) and promoter-creators (who essentially promote top-level player-creators and the game). That was the thinking behind this concept, which I think of as sort of like pro wrestling, maybe. The presentation of the match obviously has commonalities with several of your multi-POV videos, which I loved and which most certainly influenced me, but I think it's not something a player-creator would want to make even if they had the time. Can't tell if it's 100% cringe or only 10% cringe, but I mostly did it to see if the concept resonated. By the way, you might be my favorite FINALS creator and I'd find it interesting to try to do one of these for one of your matches if I had the right source material. If you check out the video, great, I'd be flattered. 5 to 20 minutes depending on your interest level. Looking forward to new ekazo content soon. ua-cam.com/video/OjUf7BoLJ68/v-deo.html
@@TheIntelligentVehicle Watched some of the video. This is sort of similar to what I make, but a lot of things are a little lower quality. The aspect ratio is a little weird and the framerate seems to be like 30 fps which makes the content a little choppy.
I do kinda understand what you're saying about player-creators and promoter-creators. A big issue I have in terms of creating this type of content is finding it. Most of my videos that are similar to this video is just based on my own games and even in those cases, I have to find the opponent's POV and even if they are streaming, they might not have VODs (ability to rewatch their POV later) on. Having people or anyone that can find a match between high level players that have their VODs on would be cool.
Which archetype do you think I fit in? I feel like I could easily do either type. It just depends.
@@EkaZoko Totally agree on the quality. It's essentially a stream of a stream. There was no hope of it being great, and the quality of the streams varied widely. I think of you as a 'player-creator' (edit: dude, you're a top 500 player, I can't believe you even have to ask), but also someone who could do really great post-match analyses (it seems like everyone thinks esports should have running commentary like real sports, but to me the comms are such an integral part of the game, I don't see why. I actually had a complete set of notes to do commentary but couldn't make it work to my satisfaction). I'm obviously not the editor to produce the final product (that is literally the first video I've ever made in my life), but like I said, it was intended as an esports-adjacent 'proof of concept' of the kind of thing I would be an audience for, at least. I might belong to a niche of only a handful of people, of course. Anyway, as a 'player-creator,' the idea would be you forming a team, challenging another team, agreeing on capturing the POVs and comms in high-quality on both sides, setting up a private match (maybe best of 3), and then handing the materials off to some 'promoter-creator' to showcase the matches and the players (you certainly have more skills than I do to do such a thing, but I don't think it would be worth your time when you could be playing, streaming, or doing real analysis). I freely admit it was a total hare-brained scheme that I just wanted to try to hash out for myself to see how and if it would work. Really appreciate you taking a quick look at it and giving some feedback. All the best!
Do we think there will be e-sports for the finals?
I hope not😂
They fixed it...
3:08 ekazo mispelling seoul hurts me :(
it was intentional argh
@@EkaZoko 🧢
I feel like spawns were better when the game first came out
please make a map or sth to show those spawn points to abuse
Loser comment
they fixed it already
Yea they fixed the spawn bug but I kinda liked it, they just needed to tweak the range so people can't spawn camp
What were u 2 doing in his mouth?
I hope this game remains as anti-esports as it can get. im tired of every fucking game being an esport nowadays. the devs confirmed they are balancing the game for fun and not the competitive aspect of it, so I hope they stick to their guns.
That said, they should still patch the respawn exploit
Esports will not be a thing for the finals, the the finals is even a thing by season 3. The heavy class has such a low skill cap, there is no potential to show skill.
Bhwaaaaaa
Keep up the denial. the the mean time the player count will keep dropping. @@bluerie
@@LUXELUXCH funny af
Esport?
😂😂😂
Broa crying because he cant abuse spawns anymore
me? if you watched, im advocating for the opposite lol
@@EkaZoko oh my bad. Either way abusing spawns like you do or did is sad. Glad they switched it up.
The second i seem the nuke. I disliked the video 😂
this game will never be an esport.
lol keep hating
In a year mabey
Depends if it blows up in the next few months
lets save this comment for later
@@josephpost8758 im not hating. I had 300 hours in this game before it came out and 440 hours in it after release. I love this game, embark just doesn't give a shit about ranked or the competitive side of the game. It'll never be balanced for an esport and I'm thankful because balancing it for esports will make it stale.
@@myztklk3vdisagree
You will suck, because you OCD over a bug, instead of focusing on the game and fun of it.
This game is ded.
no
keep hating man, we dont want you to play it anyway... Keep trying to cope for your lack of skill
my bad, what other games should I make videos on?
@@EkaZokomore finals I don’t know if they will make the game fun but they could
Yo mama