I like how you analyze everything. Question everything. Then, take the time to answer what's important to you. That! Is teaching. And even though! They are "just markers." Safety is important! Reminding us that testing outside of our living room is probably best. lol 🇺🇲🤜💥🤛🇺🇲
Hi, I put on an MCS on/off valve on my M4. I dont want to immediately ruin any O-rings, before ever firing my M4. Is there a proper order of turning things on before firing? ie: My order of cocking the M4, installing gas, Safety, and valves ... if anyone can help please I would be grateful.
@@troutman68with large co2 like that i always remove the on/off valve from the launcher, ensure the valve is 💯 off, then screw in the 88/90 pre-puncturing it separate from the launcher. Also good practice to put a couple of drops on the tip of the 88g before puncturing it in the valve. Couple of drops of oil into the asa of the launcher before screwing in the pre punctured co2, cock the launcher and turn the valve on. Cocking isnt really necessary in an unmodified launcher but in some like mine if i dont cock it before turning the valve on all the co2 pisses out the barrel.
I should have gotten one when you still could unfortunately Byrna bought Tippmann out, so I just got the more expensive Mission 4 that said great video Shawn, because they are very similar now I know how to boost the power 😎😎thanks
@lesslethalfordummies #lesslethalfordummies. I have the same exact gun practically. Its the Tippmann > Tmt Elite though. And yes---mine did come with the plastic charging hand lever. I mean..it ok!? Rather have a metal one of course! ..but for now its sufficient, and solid feeling. My Question to you is what makes it a "Bryra" again? Basic upgrades? Or... is the gun Half Tippmann Half Byrna? Hybrid? lol. And bro... you never have to apologize for other people's patience watching and learning from your channel. Its your channel, and your speed of teaching. Personally I like the time you take to analyze every aspect specifically. I appreciate it. >Another Question I have is,.. what would be the very Best, most powerful, reliable Co2° I can use for the in-line version like you got.? Thank you in advance! 🇺🇲🤜💥🤛🇺🇲 Tj
Thanks for the Kudos. Mine actually started as an elite and now its more like the base model 😂. Skip the metal handle at least in my experience. I went back to the plastic after the aluminum handle didnt break in like i expected. Byrna gets a metal charge handle, slide check on/off, different colour and of course comes 88/90g co2 or hpa ready (adapter is included). The 88/90g co2 is the most useful and powerful. There are even bigger bottles but i have never tested those.
Well I really appreciate you taking the time to actually answer questions quickly ! with good honest feedback. Unlike some other channels. lol AWESOME! Well! Gonna go ahead and check out the 88/ and 90 Co2°'s hpa ready. Trying to learn the best upgrades for my Tippmann here. For not only paintballs lol.. but for home defense too.. Wanna have it set up to do both! Pretty DAMN excited about this gun! Please Keep us all Updated with the Greatest mods you can come up with! LoL. sincerely a fan and subscriber! 🇺🇲🤜💥🤛🇺🇲 Tj
@@HARLINSVIKINGLIFELNC all you need to run co2 in your elite is the 88/90g to hpa adapter. They are quite common. Beware Canadian Amazon link. a.co/d/5Umzf5z
Sorry for messaging again. .lol And thAnk you very much for the link! But as well if we Change out the > stock Velocity spring to a and upgrade that!? To a 3.1, 3.2 , 3.3. For only $6.oo ! We automatically go from 280 joules over 340 joules. Somethings I'm sure you already know! Or have done. LoL 🇺🇲🤜💥🤛🇺🇲
@@HARLINSVIKINGLIFELNCyou dont need to change the drivespring to use 90g co2. I saw good numbers using that factory spring. The HD drive spring is something you can upgrade to later. Hey and no problem messaging me. I want to be at the very least someone who can steer people in the right direction. I by no means know everything but getting started can be overwhelming and frustrating. Keep it simple to start. Just grab the adapter and give it a go. There are better ones suited for the TMC that would serve as an on/off too like the ones from HD24 or Mcs. The one i linked is the most basic adapter to get you going and see if you are happy. Let me know if you would rather use the on/off style….i would.
Top or bottom mounted tank it doesnt make a difference using hpa. 3000 or 4500 is only the capacity of the bottle, not the output pressure. The TMC handles 1100psi output no problem or co2 for that matter.
I ended up running a 3ci C02 tank - grenade launcher style. The stock and on/off setup just became too bulky. But the Byrna slide check is probably the most "elegant" solution. But at twice the price 😂for zero extra power....
Is the slide check worth the money….personally no but it is setup right. I havent done a grenade style build since my Tiberius days. I do want to test with co2 before i commit to a plan.
Hmmm seems like it could be something on par with the M17 with the correct mods and barrel …can’t wait to see what u come up with once u open her up 👍🏼
This marker at the very least lets you have some fun on just a tank of air. I suspect that will change a little as we progress but i aint complaining now. All smiles here.
Hey serious question I only have so much money for a gun for home self defense and I want to go the paintball gun option which one would you go for ?? The tmc or valken m17 ???
If i could only choose one it would be the M17 but it requires the use of hpa which adds extra cost. It can use co2 but that costs extra too. The TMC was designed to use co2 so if that is your only source of air I would choose the TMC. The TMC will not reach the kind of power the M17 can so that may also be a deciding factor.
Hell yes 🎉thank the tmc is a nice looking gun but I am looking for power and hpa works perfect I just have to buy an air compressor,,, when I’m shopping around what are the specs I need in an air compressor to fill my tank
Pretty much after I’m excited to mod my m17 however I like 👍 I’m super excited to get one now but like I said the tmc looks fun and very nice looking gun
@@phantomoftheopera8072search high pressure pcp compressor on Amazon. I would look for one with at minimum auto shut off. GX is a good fan cooled compressor or Yong Heng for liquid cooled.
Increasing velocity always puts more stress on the marker. Where i am at now i havent had any issues until my most recent videos where the marker was intermittently not recocking. I think this is just an oring problem since i do have over 1000s round of testing on this marker using co2.
Happy for you man love the long vids never fast forward cuz that mess up your rythum onhere right ? Those fuggerz wish they would say who does it ya know i camn only imagine 👀
At the beginning of the last video I was like why is he wasting his money and time on this tippman. By the end of this video I am thoroughly impressed by how well the TMC performed. Hopefully we can get it over 300fps with the Grimburg projectiles
the only thing I don't like is how long the buttstock is. I am used to M4 carbines, and you cant really put your nose to charging handle on this firearm. (I own one). but its a fun less lethal firearm
I think they could have done better with the air through stock. It is on the long side. I have since changed to a new setup which has all but eliminated that problem….its not for everyone though.
Just.. Badass ! Simply put! I appreciate you showing us more great tips! for making our gu-'s "Markers" BADASS! -Trust , we're studying- Thank you again! 🇺🇲🤜💥🤛🇺🇲. Tj
220 at that outputs pretty decent wouldnt wanna get hit with those if anything tippmann strong like bull u can rely on them to work had mine over 10years still works like butter if u wrap the back with a tarp man it wont get messy other then that u can ping some pans either way i envy your GARAGE lol watermelons are overrated
@lesslethalfordummies I heard you dude I always watch your vids in full ya never know what you can miss I still rewatch goodfellas to this day still discover new things hidden shyt ya know
Without me actually owning a Mission 4 can you tell me whats better besides the on/off and maybe some colouring? These are the same marker whether you believe it or not. Byrnas marketing strategy might have some people fooled but not all.
@albertoacosta1650, how is the byrna much better when it is based off the Tippmann TMC Emergency Defender? lol? The TMC came first, and the byrna company is just using the platform and rebranding it. The byrna mission 4 bundle is way more expensive by several hundred bucks when you compare to a TMC bundle where you source out similar components. That's why I'm going with the TMC bundle, thanks to the less lethal community educating me on this.
@@albertoacosta1650 5 joules is the difference between hpa power and co2. My testing was done with a very low output of 725psi hpa compared to that of 850-900psi 88/99g co2. Byrna markets their launcher using co2. Results can and will vary based on projectile weight/size, propellant of choice and velocity settings.
@@albertoacosta1650 I am not anti Byrna, as I just bought a byrna LE. But to say to mission 4 is 5 joules stronger than the Tippman TMC Emergency Defender is just false. Where are you getting that stat from? If the mission 4 bundle was priced several hundred dollars less, I honestly would have just bought the byrna over the TMC.
Nice video as always Sean👍. Very cool marker, Hope you will get more power from it👍
Yes i hope so too Rune. I have already order an initial run of drive springs to see if i can make further changes to there specifications.
Very interesting. Looking forward to more testing videos 👍@@lesslethalfordummies
I like how you analyze everything.
Question everything. Then, take the time to answer what's important to you. That! Is teaching.
And even though! They are "just markers." Safety is important! Reminding us that testing outside of our living room is probably best.
lol
🇺🇲🤜💥🤛🇺🇲
Love how he just pops up with all these goodies in front of us 💥💥
LoL! SAME! love how he keeps pushing the limits and giving me ideas!
Not > 2fks! Given! LET'S FUKN GO!!
LMAO.. Inspirational! Not boring
🇺🇲🤜💥🤛🇺🇲 Tj
Nice set up! 14-15 joules is pretty good!
Considering the fact i was running less then standard output pressure bottle i think it did very well too.
Kid in a candy shop. Cant wait to see what you do 💥💥💥
Smiling like the p-430.
I literally just said the same thing lol
@lesslethalfordummies gotta get me one all of em alright I'm hooked again
if you get a side mount for the tank you could run the remote line from the on off to the side mounted tank and then to air it just twist valve
A side mounted tank is always an option. I want to run some co2 tests first before i commit fully to hpa.
Hi, I put on an MCS on/off valve on my M4. I dont want to immediately ruin any O-rings, before ever firing my M4. Is there a proper order of turning things on before firing? ie: My order of cocking the M4, installing gas, Safety, and valves ... if anyone can help please I would be grateful.
88/90g co2 or hpa?
@@lesslethalfordummies88 gram Co2
@@lesslethalfordummies88 gram
@@lesslethalfordummies 88 gram
@@troutman68with large co2 like that i always remove the on/off valve from the launcher, ensure the valve is 💯 off, then screw in the 88/90 pre-puncturing it separate from the launcher.
Also good practice to put a couple of drops on the tip of the 88g before puncturing it in the valve.
Couple of drops of oil into the asa of the launcher before screwing in the pre punctured co2, cock the launcher and turn the valve on.
Cocking isnt really necessary in an unmodified launcher but in some like mine if i dont cock it before turning the valve on all the co2 pisses out the barrel.
I should have gotten one when you still could unfortunately Byrna bought Tippmann out, so I just got the more expensive Mission 4 that said great video Shawn, because they are very similar now I know how to boost the power 😎😎thanks
Difference is colour and that nifty slide check the Byrna gets which is a pretty cool feature.
@lesslethalfordummies #lesslethalfordummies. I have the same exact gun practically. Its the Tippmann > Tmt Elite though.
And yes---mine did come with the plastic charging hand lever. I mean..it ok!? Rather have a metal one of course! ..but for now its sufficient, and solid feeling.
My Question to you is what makes it a "Bryra" again? Basic upgrades? Or... is the gun Half Tippmann Half Byrna? Hybrid? lol.
And bro... you never have to apologize for other people's patience watching and learning from your channel. Its your channel, and your speed of teaching. Personally I like the time you take to analyze every aspect specifically. I appreciate it.
>Another Question I have is,.. what would be the very Best, most powerful, reliable Co2° I can use for the in-line version like you got.?
Thank you in advance!
🇺🇲🤜💥🤛🇺🇲 Tj
Thanks for the Kudos. Mine actually started as an elite and now its more like the base model 😂. Skip the metal handle at least in my experience. I went back to the plastic after the aluminum handle didnt break in like i expected.
Byrna gets a metal charge handle, slide check on/off, different colour and of course comes 88/90g co2 or hpa ready (adapter is included).
The 88/90g co2 is the most useful and powerful. There are even bigger bottles but i have never tested those.
Well I really appreciate you taking the time to actually answer questions quickly ! with good honest feedback.
Unlike some other channels. lol
AWESOME! Well!
Gonna go ahead and check out the 88/ and 90 Co2°'s hpa ready.
Trying to learn the best upgrades for my Tippmann here. For not only paintballs lol.. but for home defense too..
Wanna have it set up to do both!
Pretty DAMN excited about this gun!
Please Keep us all Updated with the Greatest mods you can come up with! LoL. sincerely a fan and subscriber!
🇺🇲🤜💥🤛🇺🇲 Tj
@@HARLINSVIKINGLIFELNC all you need to run co2 in your elite is the 88/90g to hpa adapter. They are quite common. Beware Canadian Amazon link.
a.co/d/5Umzf5z
Sorry for messaging again. .lol
And thAnk you very much for the link!
But as well if we Change out the > stock Velocity spring to a and upgrade that!?
To a 3.1, 3.2 , 3.3. For only $6.oo !
We automatically go from 280 joules over 340 joules. Somethings I'm sure you already know! Or have done. LoL
🇺🇲🤜💥🤛🇺🇲
@@HARLINSVIKINGLIFELNCyou dont need to change the drivespring to use 90g co2. I saw good numbers using that factory spring.
The HD drive spring is something you can upgrade to later.
Hey and no problem messaging me. I want to be at the very least someone who can steer people in the right direction. I by no means know everything but getting started can be overwhelming and frustrating. Keep it simple to start. Just grab the adapter and give it a go. There are better ones suited for the TMC that would serve as an on/off too like the ones from HD24 or Mcs. The one i linked is the most basic adapter to get you going and see if you are happy.
Let me know if you would rather use the on/off style….i would.
Can you shoot this with 4500psi tank? And do you believe this design is better that the tmc with the bottom tank?
Top or bottom mounted tank it doesnt make a difference using hpa. 3000 or 4500 is only the capacity of the bottle, not the output pressure. The TMC handles 1100psi output no problem or co2 for that matter.
@@lesslethalfordummies I’m totally new to this you do you make it 1100 pi’s output
Most standard hpa bottles whether 3000 or 4500psi only output 800psi per shot unless otherwise stated.
@@lesslethalfordummies so what mod does one have to do to get around 30 joules
Drive spring, valve spring, barrel and 88/90g co2 or 1100psi output hpa.
I ended up running a 3ci C02 tank - grenade launcher style. The stock and on/off setup just became too bulky. But the Byrna slide check is probably the most "elegant" solution. But at twice the price 😂for zero extra power....
Is the slide check worth the money….personally no but it is setup right.
I havent done a grenade style build since my Tiberius days. I do want to test with co2 before i commit to a plan.
Hmmm seems like it could be something on par with the M17 with the correct mods and barrel …can’t wait to see what u come up with once u open her up 👍🏼
This Tmc shoots like butter. I would be happy with 30j. I don’t think it will ever be a power house but it can definitely lay down some fire.
I think the the Byrna Mission 4 has an On/Off!?!?
Reply it uses a type of on/off called a slide check. Its located in that little space by the tank. Looks like a spool.
One turn looked like 3/4
Damn Sean now I want one of these too
This marker at the very least lets you have some fun on just a tank of air. I suspect that will change a little as we progress but i aint complaining now. All smiles here.
Hey serious question I only have so much money for a gun for home self defense and I want to go the paintball gun option which one would you go for ?? The tmc or valken m17 ???
If i could only choose one it would be the M17 but it requires the use of hpa which adds extra cost. It can use co2 but that costs extra too.
The TMC was designed to use co2 so if that is your only source of air I would choose the TMC. The TMC will not reach the kind of power the M17 can so that may also be a deciding factor.
Hell yes 🎉thank the tmc is a nice looking gun but I am looking for power and hpa works perfect I just have to buy an air compressor,,, when I’m shopping around what are the specs I need in an air compressor to fill my tank
Pretty much after I’m excited to mod my m17 however I like 👍 I’m super excited to get one now but like I said the tmc looks fun and very nice looking gun
@@phantomoftheopera8072search high pressure pcp compressor on Amazon. I would look for one with at minimum auto shut off. GX is a good fan cooled compressor or Yong Heng for liquid cooled.
@@phantomoftheopera8072if pepper balls were an option i would choose the TMC but we cant have those here in Canada.
Does increasing velocity reduces durability?
Increasing velocity always puts more stress on the marker. Where i am at now i havent had any issues until my most recent videos where the marker was intermittently not recocking. I think this is just an oring problem since i do have over 1000s round of testing on this marker using co2.
Happy for you man love the long vids never fast forward cuz that mess up your rythum onhere right ? Those fuggerz wish they would say who does it ya know i camn only imagine 👀
You will modifying it?
I am going to do my best using some of the ground work that has already been done.
@@lesslethalfordummies okay will wait to see 🙂
At the beginning of the last video I was like why is he wasting his money and time on this tippman. By the end of this video I am thoroughly impressed by how well the TMC performed. Hopefully we can get it over 300fps with the Grimburg projectiles
300 with a Jul would be a nice number. This Tmc is just really smooth to shoot. Had me smiling by the end.
My charging handle is metal but orange, I want it all black like yours, thanks for the tutorial I watched the whole thing
Modern Combat Sports sells the all black version.
I`m hesitating between Valken m17 vs Tippmann TMC ELITE!
M17 can be a powerhouse if you want it to be. Tippmann is plain old reliable but better suited for chemical projectiles.
@@lesslethalfordummies Thank you for your feedback! I will go for M17 and I assume it is very reliable.
@purplesky6730 every launcher is only as reliable as you are willing to maintain it.
@@lesslethalfordummies your advice is valuable. I`m thiking about upgrading it in therm of power. what do you advise me ?
@@purplesky6730Basics first. Make sure it works out of the box.
The simplest and least expensive thing first is the PRV delete.
the only thing I don't like is how long the buttstock is. I am used to M4 carbines, and you cant really put your nose to charging handle on this firearm. (I own one). but its a fun less lethal firearm
I think they could have done better with the air through stock. It is on the long side. I have since changed to a new setup which has all but eliminated that problem….its not for everyone though.
I like it
Just.. Badass ! Simply put!
I appreciate you showing us more great tips! for making our gu-'s "Markers" BADASS!
-Trust , we're studying-
Thank you again!
🇺🇲🤜💥🤛🇺🇲.
Tj
No problem my man. Tmc is waiting on a new part thats why it has been hiding….not broken, just needs an upgrade. 😃
220 at that outputs pretty decent wouldnt wanna get hit with those if anything tippmann strong like bull u can rely on them to work had mine over 10years still works like butter if u wrap the back with a tarp man it wont get messy other then that u can ping some pans either way i envy your GARAGE lol watermelons are overrated
It is silky smooth.
@lesslethalfordummies I heard you dude I always watch your vids in full ya never know what you can miss I still rewatch goodfellas to this day still discover new things hidden shyt ya know
Yeah who cares about full auto well maybe some not me I never use it on my M17 that has it control is the name of the game
Sorry to say but you're wasting people's time
Nah. Marker is firing at over 30 now which is perfectly adequate.
Byrna is much better
Without me actually owning a Mission 4 can you tell me whats better besides the on/off and maybe some colouring?
These are the same marker whether you believe it or not. Byrnas marketing strategy might have some people fooled but not all.
@albertoacosta1650, how is the byrna much better when it is based off the Tippmann TMC Emergency Defender? lol? The TMC came first, and the byrna company is just using the platform and rebranding it. The byrna mission 4 bundle is way more expensive by several hundred bucks when you compare to a TMC bundle where you source out similar components. That's why I'm going with the TMC bundle, thanks to the less lethal community educating me on this.
@@joesolo7719 That's only your point of view; mine is different in fact Byrna is 5 joules stronger
@@albertoacosta1650 5 joules is the difference between hpa power and co2. My testing was done with a very low output of 725psi hpa compared to that of 850-900psi 88/99g co2. Byrna markets their launcher using co2. Results can and will vary based on projectile weight/size, propellant of choice and velocity settings.
@@albertoacosta1650 I am not anti Byrna, as I just bought a byrna LE. But to say to mission 4 is 5 joules stronger than the Tippman TMC Emergency Defender is just false. Where are you getting that stat from? If the mission 4 bundle was priced several hundred dollars less, I honestly would have just bought the byrna over the TMC.