I played it in it's original form - Maurice Forsyth Grant and I toured France together some years ago - if anyone has"21 years in Organ building" he mentions our visit to Paris and playing both Ste Sulpice and Notre Dame. At ND we climbed up an endless staircase and were met by the organ's curator. He switched it on, pressed the Full Organ piston and said "Jouez!" I did! The reverberant hum you get in ND fell silent immediately. That was an unforgettable experience!
That's right. It would be just as ludicrous to say that Boisseau "destroyed" the Cavaillé-Coll. I ask myself whether the city of Paris is better off with two Saint-Sulpice-type organs, or with two contrasting instruments like we now have. Considering especially that we wouldn't have the same Cochereau without the Boisseau chamades, I believe the answer is the latter.
Ha! All the cries of "shameful!" and "ruinous!" How silly. How many of us have real familiarity with what preceded Cochereau's time? Few to none of us, I bet. During Vierne's reign it was in sad shape, according to the official history. I sure don't know what used to be; but what's here now is pretty amazing. Recent recordings are spectacular.
Can someone explain to me why so many people hate the chamades? I genuinly wonder, and take no opinion on it myself. To me it sounds awesome, but there must be some reason why it is not awesome?
I think for many it's like a snobism... The better organ builders used it but...to show they can't have a common Idea... But for someone, chamade are too violent and very loud but for myself, i like to use them...
I mean, you can equally say the same of Cavaillé-Coll, who destroyed the Clicquot organ... When, and by whose authority, did we define the "original" organ as the one just after Cavaillé-Coll's rebuild? My point really is that organs like this are continuous evolutions. You may prefer the Cavaillé-Coll version; some might prefer the Clicquot. But it is utterly meaningless to say "the original is destroyed". There's no "original".
I'd quite like the new console if the colour matched the case... The development of the organ in general is heading nowhere, not just Notre-Dame. The mass adoption of chamades seems to be the trend, but a vulgar one. My experience is that 7èmes are very useful: new timbre, 2-2/7 for reinforcing 16' in the top octave, 4-4/7 gives substance to pedal 32', etc. I am yet to encounter a 9e or a 11e, but they should be similarly useful (and cheap!). It may one day become as well-established as the 3ce!
The Notre Dame organ is now well beyond Cavaille-Coll, changed so extensively it can not claim to be one of the master's surviving instruments. More than most church organs in Paris, it sits in a room whose temperature and humnidity fluctuate greatly, due to the thousands of visitors. Then there is the unclean urban air. No wonder it has needed frequent repairs. The best plan would be to commission van den Heuvel to construct a new instrument keeping as many historic stops as possible.
Just listen to all the armchair experts sitting round wailing and fulminating about an organ in which they have absolutely no vested interest [financial, artistically, academically or otherwise,] and upon which they will never play a note. Get over yourselves, dearies.
That firm doesn't seem to be doing very well with French instruments. Think of St Eustache (as ds1868 suggests)... think of the horrible one they installed in the Royal Academy of Music in London (which I have reluctantly played a number of times and which is now being scrapped and swapped with a proper one)... Nah, I'd choose a different firm, definitely.
I greatly enjoy the current Notre Dame organ, but I don't like this new console very much. The lightly colored wood doesn't seem to fit. I much prefer the previous English-style one.
MrEbertScientist For each his own. I for example didn't like the look of the wood on that older console. To me it looked like particle board, the kind used in dirt cheap furniture. The current console looks better, but for me nothing will beat the look of the original Cavaille-Coll terraced console.
***** Nobody's mentioned the 'Cochereau' console, which, although not a patch appearance-wise on the original C-C console, looked much, much more imposing than the two that have followed...
This is shameful. If I was the organist of Notre Dame I would keep this organ is as original shape as possible. To change this wonderful organ in to what it is now is completely unacceptable.
And that's why I love playing the organ so much... Can't wait to meet Mr Latry in person...
I played it in it's original form - Maurice Forsyth Grant and I toured France together some years ago - if anyone has"21 years in Organ building" he mentions our visit to Paris and playing both Ste Sulpice and Notre Dame. At ND we climbed up an endless staircase and were met by the organ's curator. He switched it on, pressed the Full Organ piston and said "Jouez!" I did! The reverberant hum you get in ND fell silent immediately. That was an unforgettable experience!
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5:59 : R2D2, come back immediately !
That's right. It would be just as ludicrous to say that Boisseau "destroyed" the Cavaillé-Coll. I ask myself whether the city of Paris is better off with two Saint-Sulpice-type organs, or with two contrasting instruments like we now have. Considering especially that we wouldn't have the same Cochereau without the Boisseau chamades, I believe the answer is the latter.
I dont mind the chamades. I was personally hoping for another horseshoe console like the original (but with solid state wiring inside)
Ha! All the cries of "shameful!" and "ruinous!" How silly. How many of us have real familiarity with what preceded Cochereau's time? Few to none of us, I bet. During Vierne's reign it was in sad shape, according to the official history. I sure don't know what used to be; but what's here now is pretty amazing. Recent recordings are spectacular.
Dommage que Léonce de Saint Martin soit systématiquement "écarté" .Peu d'organistes le sortent de son purgatoire.
Pierre Moreau, Yves Devernay, Philippe Lefevre, Yves Castagnet, Johann Vexo, Vincent Dubois too.
Oh my god, he plays an 11th at 2:28!
God... off course God know that His Name Must Be from Great Letter. ;)
I believe I've seen him play a 13th.
See what we have lost. :(
Can someone explain to me why so many people hate the chamades? I genuinly wonder, and take no opinion on it myself. To me it sounds awesome, but there must be some reason why it is not awesome?
I think for many it's like a snobism... The better organ builders used it but...to show they can't have a common Idea...
But for someone, chamade are too violent and very loud but for myself, i like to use them...
Again not subtitled! What a pity !
didier arnoult Try this: ua-cam.com/video/6ldgsWt6fzI/v-deo.html
New concole in ND in Paris?
Notre Dame organ will never be the same again. I hate what they did to this "ONCE" wonderful organ.
so sad sad I bought two cds when visited some years ago I am a organist
I mean, you can equally say the same of Cavaillé-Coll, who destroyed the Clicquot organ... When, and by whose authority, did we define the "original" organ as the one just after Cavaillé-Coll's rebuild? My point really is that organs like this are continuous evolutions. You may prefer the Cavaillé-Coll version; some might prefer the Clicquot. But it is utterly meaningless to say "the original is destroyed". There's no "original".
I'd quite like the new console if the colour matched the case... The development of the organ in general is heading nowhere, not just Notre-Dame. The mass adoption of chamades seems to be the trend, but a vulgar one. My experience is that 7èmes are very useful: new timbre, 2-2/7 for reinforcing 16' in the top octave, 4-4/7 gives substance to pedal 32', etc. I am yet to encounter a 9e or a 11e, but they should be similarly useful (and cheap!). It may one day become as well-established as the 3ce!
Don't they already have a 11e at Notre Dame? I heard they did (they would have a 9e too then)
And when was this "ONCE"?
It sounds a lot different. I prefer the old sounds because it had more of a breathy sound.
its not bad to change the organ console but i'm not satisfied this changes without any announcement
The Notre Dame organ is now well beyond Cavaille-Coll, changed so extensively it can not claim to be one of the master's surviving instruments. More than most church organs in Paris, it sits in a room whose temperature and humnidity fluctuate greatly, due to the thousands of visitors. Then there is the unclean urban air. No wonder it has needed frequent repairs. The best plan would be to commission van den Heuvel to construct a new instrument keeping as many historic stops as possible.
Which shape? The Clicquot organ? You realise how meaningless it is to say 'original shape'?
Just listen to all the armchair experts sitting round wailing and fulminating about an organ in which they have absolutely no vested interest [financial, artistically, academically or otherwise,] and upon which they will never play a note. Get over yourselves, dearies.
your comment is naff ive been on the organ Parisians have no church for years
Seulement trois siecles?😂
That firm doesn't seem to be doing very well with French instruments. Think of St Eustache (as ds1868 suggests)... think of the horrible one they installed in the Royal Academy of Music in London (which I have reluctantly played a number of times and which is now being scrapped and swapped with a proper one)...
Nah, I'd choose a different firm, definitely.
I greatly enjoy the current Notre Dame organ, but I don't like this new console very much. The lightly colored wood doesn't seem to fit. I much prefer the previous English-style one.
MrEbertScientist For each his own. I for example didn't like the look of the wood on that older console. To me it looked like particle board, the kind used in dirt cheap furniture. The current console looks better, but for me nothing will beat the look of the original Cavaille-Coll terraced console.
***** Nobody's mentioned the 'Cochereau' console, which, although not a patch appearance-wise on the original C-C console, looked much, much more imposing than the two that have followed...
The original Cavaille-Coll/Cliquot organ. Since those God awful chamades were added it sounds like bumble bees.
You just didn't care enough to know.
This is shameful. If I was the organist of Notre Dame I would keep this organ is as original shape as possible. To change this wonderful organ in to what it is now is completely unacceptable.
I wish they would just use the Cavaille-Coll stops and nothing else. The chamades are awful I think.