The problem of the mothership was never the dps, it's a caster unit... I don't know who came up with this idea in the terran council, but one Viper is still gonna kill it with one spell.
It's still useless. Honestly, I consider this a nerf. In a real match, Vipers and Corruptors will always take out the Mothership, and you'll end up losing more resources than you did before the patch.
Adding 100/100 and 2 supply cost makes it an overall nerf. The buff to damage is a buff to something that the mothership doesn't/can't really do effectively because by the time you have one, your opponent will have plenty of vikings/corruptors/vipers etc. They should have just given it the damage buff, made it un-yankable, and left it at that.
@@ManDuderGuy i think making the mother ship heroic unit will be good to prevent it from getting dragged by vipers. at least something that will make it more useful to have it
The DPS probably can't go higher than it currently is on PTR. The patch notes are wrong (or the patch is bugged) and each target it hits still takes 6x6 (same as the mothership's previous singletarget attack) except now it hits four targets, which means the DPS output of the new mothership is roughly equivalent to two void rays hitting armored targets with prismatic alignment always on, or two battlecruisers one of which is hitting air, and one of which is hitting ground. (While also costing about the same as two void rays and being much cheaper than 2x battlecruiser--but with the downside that you can't focus fire the mothership, the damage needs to be split between four targets). And as Harstem notes in the video, you could do a +1 air attack upgrade timing attack--a +1 air upgrade would increase the DPS of just the mothership by about 23--so roughly the equivalent DPS boost of adding two stalkers to your army. Granted I think they could stick with these "bugged" numbers and it would be fine, cause yes, in the lategame it's hard to get the mothership close enough to deal damage without it getting sniped, and yes, earlygame Mothership Rush is still kind of silly cause fleet beacons cost a million dollars, but...yeah, I would be careful about jacking the damage any higher than its current unintentional state on PTR, or unironically mothership rush builds might become a balance issue. Like...as-is, the mothership can a-move into 6 hydras and win, and in my tests on the PTR, the mothership usually lost but occasionally won a-moving into 7 hydras. 7 hydras cost 700/350, which is a lot more than 400/400. Eight mutas lost to the mothership--800/800 vs 400/400 army there. Four corruptors (600/400) usually beat the mothership, but only barely--they lost if the mothership had +1 attack and the corrupters were not upgraded. That is hilariously strong. I like the mothership dealing this much damage, I think it can maybe be justified as not broken cause you can only get one of them and need a fleet beacon, but...yeah, I don't think there's much room to push the DPS higher. (Unless...well I guess you could push the DPS higher if you make the mothership more specialized--like it could deal more damage to light units and less damage to non-light units. Or some other specialization like that. I guess you could also just make it further down the tech tree--like require fleet beacon + templar archives + robotics bay so there's no risk of a rush, something like that would also allow you to get more silly with the damage).
The problem with the mothership is that it's easily killed for an expensive unit. Using it in a battle is like doing off road with a Rolls Royce. I think the answer is add an ability to resummon it at the nexus after it dies for something like 150/150
@6:00 bug where motherships can’t shoot workers for some reason. It happened on stream too when someone proxied a mothership only for it not shoot any of the workers 😂
Mothership can attack while shooting let's go! But yeah, I would say you for sure got 400/400 worth of resources out of the mothership. I will still continue to say that I would like it to be a proper capital ship, it's a step in the good direction, butr still not all the way there. Still happy to see that there IS already some Mothership cheese. I personally can't wait to see it harassing drones like Terran BC's ^^"
Honestly, first thing I'd like to see is to make it not being yoink/neural by zergs. Would also like to see its range increase, maybe at least against air. It being so easy to get sniped by vikings and corruptors do suck. You know what, grab the Tal'darim Mothership in COOP/Campaign, tune down the numbers and I think you get a proper one. Also, you know like how Ghost Nukes has a global audio cue? Just adds that when a Protoss is preparing to summon a Mothership, so everyone knows a big whoppass is about to happen soon.
That's kinda what Recall is for, outside the fact that the cooldown is 90 seconds. Make a bunch of units at base, both gateway and also robo and star, then Recall them through. When you pushed far enough, Nexus Recall back home.
@@magnusbjarnithis is the one step forward two steps back PiG had noticed with every Protoss “buff”. Can’t Protoss just have a straight up buff? Motherships already has a heroic tag, highest cost, and most advanced tech tree
I'd go a step further, make larger units, carriers/BC's/Thors/ultra's should cause vipers to meet in the middle between the two units and motherships should just have the abducting viper dragged to them instead.
@@2pairOfAces yeah that, or maybe they attach and slowly drag the target when moving the opposite direction, kind of like how stukov Leviathan does in co-op mode (but only lasts 2-3seconds).
They should make abduct pull distance be -1 overall but be +2 vs light and -1 vs massive and -4 vs Heroic. That way, the cast range is the same but the distance the units are being yoinked are different depending on the unit type. Abduct would be good against light units like HT, Ghosts and Raven etc. but slightly weaker against massive units like BCs and Carriers. Most importantly, it'll be much weaker against Mothership.
@@gabinandino4342 The ability to reinforce with the mothership would be a nice buff. This video makes it seem like that would be too powerful though maybe make it have a cool down… like mass recall.
I think the thing that bugs me the most about this is that when the was to hold are found or added every protoss at every level is now expected to entirely relearn their early game so they are safe. I don't think you can have the complaint that protoss is a low skill race when they need to completely relearn build orders every other patch - if you want to adjust to increase the skill expression they need, then you need a stable base for that.
The best minerals (M) to health (H) ratio for the viper consume is the as follows: Extractor = 25 M for 500 H = 20 health per mineral. Evolution chamber = 75 M for 750 H = 10 health per mineral Hatch (patch) = 275 M for 1500 H = 5.45 health per mineral (but helps with larva / troop placement) Spore = 75 M for 300 H (patch) = 4 health per mineral (defense) Spine = 100 M for 300 H = 3 health per mineral (defense) The key take away is to get the utility of the macro hatch for the viper energy battery, you would have to pay twice the price. Extra Evo chambers is a good idea, as they are twice the health per mineral I feel they should first hit the extractors / hatchery to get the regeneration on multiple buildings. But I also feel choosing which building to consume is not the highest priority for a busy player. It would be a nice quality of life features if you could queue up consume on any building and the viper will go to the highest health % building within sight and consume from there (prioritizing, consumed extractors and then non-upgrading evolution chambers).
@@michaelbuckers true the drone costs plus is often an opportunity cost. I wonder if vipers could consume constructing buildings? Now that would be micro intensive lol. Start a evo chamber and consume it a few times then cancel lol.
@@RichyRich2607 are you implying the post was a lot of work, but was thoughtless? Geez that is a bit harsh lol. Just commenting of something winter mentioned. If you included the drone that would imply that you would make a drone for the sole purpose of building a building. This was an oversight but not a meaningful one.
Feels like the new mothership is better than it seems on paper- though it could be it's just because it's nice to see it shoot at so many things at once
@@heikg i agree that it feels wrong that a unit like the mothership can be pulled by a viper, there should at least be some drawback for the viper or so idk
I brought food and wine to watch this and "2 base Mothership all-in" made me forget my cutlery. Or "couverts", as they say in france. Or "France", as they say in le France.
I feel like the Mothership should also have a Pylon aura. Whether it's just passive, always on, or it's on a cooldown and you need to activate it. You should be able to use it to warp units in. That's like... the entire point of all sci-fi motherships.
Since the Mothership is summoned at the Nexus, and they raised the price of it to pay for increased beefiness, what if the mothership spawed by turning the nexus into the mothership? That'd add 400 minerals to the price, effectively (so you could cut back the cost somewhat), and would look pretty cool. On the other hand, I suppose that might step on Terran "lift buildings up" toes.
Don't even. I guess it's easy when your livelihood no longer depends on you actually winning. As a streamer you just need to focus on making fun content, which is why Kevin is so convenient to the balance council. They can say they have a Toss who agrees with the changes.
I haven't played in probably a year since they buffed the widow mine... which is objectively the most game-breaking unit by a wide margin for lower ranks ... But I was a Zerg player. that said, I like the mothership being an actual badass unit. I would love to see it have an option to go into a stationary mode where it's immune to abduct, attack lasers have +1 range, and acts as a warp prism. I mean, how the hell does a MOTHERSHIP for the golden Armada not have pylon energy built in?
The moment your opponent sees you have a mothership it becomes useless. It's still too fragile to be used for anything other than surprise attacks, why do you think they choose to "buff" only this toss unit. The aim is to make everyone stop playing toss.
Kevin doing his best to make it look like the balance patch did anything good for Protoss is like telling someone who got late stage cancer "Woah, so you don't even need to go to work anymore"
I still think they should add a special supply building to each race that lets them have 1 hero unit. Mothership, Odin...Leviathan? Make the building expensive but it charges like a warp gate does, so once its charged you can just summon the unit. If it dies you gotta let it recharge before summoning for free. Add some special spell casting to army compositions and spice up build orders. The fact that this patch was all about "not playing turtle style" then giving terran more turtling while taking it from protoss and telling zergs they should build more static defense instead of queens its just hilarious.
I was always stumped by how I'm supposed to hold early ling and lisk aggression, but this multi-attack mothership may indeed be the future. Maybe it needs to be cheaper and weaker to be afforded earlier. More of an utility play.
Harstem, when are you doing a cheese tier list? Cannon rush is likely its own tier above S, but what rank would you put tempest and mothership rush? Don't get me started on "proxy" DT, not sure how to name it but basically hide your dark temple and infiltrate with blink DTs into opponent base
add a building to protoss, "repair bay" where nano bots or some shit repair protoss units. not mobile and can't really use it in combat but gives u a way to repair. add "mothership core overcharge" or some shit where it gives the mother ship, and the mother ship only slight shield regen over time. like 5 shield regen per second for 30 seconds. like a mini battery but self buff.
Given it to the robotics bay, maybe, and have it disable units for a set amount of time while it heals. Still, considering the design philosophy of the game, shields are supposed to be Protoss's renewable health resource. It regens faster than zerg do and for free, but less than a full heal like Terrans do for cost.
@calebadam2576 you don't have to take away from any of that to add more. Hell even give zerg an upgrade to regen 3-5x more on creep. Even protoss could get other shield upgrades besides +1 less damage.... please bring more to the game in any way
Turns out, a flying unit with aoe is actually kinda good! Who knew? -Zerg players aren't real- Also, the scaling on that thing is kinda nuts, too - a 6 damage x 4 hits x 4 targets attack means like 16 extra damage per upgrade, which is on par with a carrier I think? Except without the weakness of having to rely on interceptors.
Maybe add Permanent Cloaking Field back but with acivation? Current Cloaking Field but permanent, can be toggled on and off but with cooldown before being able to turn on again after turning off?
So Mothership wouldn't be an instant target, can create many new playstyles and bait styles with ofcourse cooldown on being able to turn it on again to be permanent. Cooldown being like the balancing part of that strat Basically its the current cloak but permanent instead of 20 secs but with that cooldown on turning it on again.@@KradDrows
Having said that, previously the mothership just put on a bit of a light show for a few seconds before being destroyed, where it's actually attacking now. If not for community uproar about the patch, I'd be certain that the new mothership would not make it into the game. As it is now... I think there's still a fair chance that the council will decide not to allow this version of the mothership into the game.
They shoulda just made the MS 350/350 instead of going back and forth between 300/300 and 400/400. And maybe more survivability. As the games sole "hero unit" it shouldn't be brittle. (It did fight well this game though)
Limit/price increase dont look good for me, other race units dont get theyr unit cost increased (zergs hatch cheaper but fleet beacon do not). The beam can kill lings, this moment may help against mass lings. You also can recoll if prism died..
instead of copy SC2 races, they should had to go to Warcraft4 style immediately! Infernal is a great middle age race which does not fit with the high tech ones
Calling this a RUSH is WILD! Bro could have just walked his units across and map and saved 400+400. With a few extra stalkers with that money lol. How much is the Terran Balance council paying you? Blink once then scratch your left ear if you are posing this video under duress.
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11:17 "it can attack while shooting"
one of the Harstem's golden quotes
"keeeeeeeeeeviiiiiiiiin!"
@@Wakamurai people died when they are killed - Emiya Shiro
Fuk Protoss muta need moving attack. 🐕🐲
Multi-target mothership just looks right.
400/400 couldn't beat 6 hydras another P's L
@@michaelbuckers doesn't seem like you even watched the video lmao
Agreed, though can't say it matters anyway. Would be nice if it also had a bit more power in the beams :D.
The problem of the mothership was never the dps, it's a caster unit... I don't know who came up with this idea in the terran council, but one Viper is still gonna kill it with one spell.
Is it a square shape?
@@Mainlychesscontent Huh?
@@ferocious_r You don't know what a square is?
I do like having a stronger mothership, maybe I'd give it a bit more dps but this is definetly one of my favorite changes from the patch.
It's still useless. Honestly, I consider this a nerf. In a real match, Vipers and Corruptors will always take out the Mothership, and you'll end up losing more resources than you did before the patch.
Adding 100/100 and 2 supply cost makes it an overall nerf. The buff to damage is a buff to something that the mothership doesn't/can't really do effectively because by the time you have one, your opponent will have plenty of vikings/corruptors/vipers etc. They should have just given it the damage buff, made it un-yankable, and left it at that.
@@ManDuderGuy i think making the mother ship heroic unit will be good to prevent it from getting dragged by vipers. at least something that will make it more useful to have it
The DPS probably can't go higher than it currently is on PTR. The patch notes are wrong (or the patch is bugged) and each target it hits still takes 6x6 (same as the mothership's previous singletarget attack) except now it hits four targets, which means the DPS output of the new mothership is roughly equivalent to two void rays hitting armored targets with prismatic alignment always on, or two battlecruisers one of which is hitting air, and one of which is hitting ground. (While also costing about the same as two void rays and being much cheaper than 2x battlecruiser--but with the downside that you can't focus fire the mothership, the damage needs to be split between four targets). And as Harstem notes in the video, you could do a +1 air attack upgrade timing attack--a +1 air upgrade would increase the DPS of just the mothership by about 23--so roughly the equivalent DPS boost of adding two stalkers to your army.
Granted I think they could stick with these "bugged" numbers and it would be fine, cause yes, in the lategame it's hard to get the mothership close enough to deal damage without it getting sniped, and yes, earlygame Mothership Rush is still kind of silly cause fleet beacons cost a million dollars, but...yeah, I would be careful about jacking the damage any higher than its current unintentional state on PTR, or unironically mothership rush builds might become a balance issue. Like...as-is, the mothership can a-move into 6 hydras and win, and in my tests on the PTR, the mothership usually lost but occasionally won a-moving into 7 hydras. 7 hydras cost 700/350, which is a lot more than 400/400. Eight mutas lost to the mothership--800/800 vs 400/400 army there. Four corruptors (600/400) usually beat the mothership, but only barely--they lost if the mothership had +1 attack and the corrupters were not upgraded. That is hilariously strong. I like the mothership dealing this much damage, I think it can maybe be justified as not broken cause you can only get one of them and need a fleet beacon, but...yeah, I don't think there's much room to push the DPS higher.
(Unless...well I guess you could push the DPS higher if you make the mothership more specialized--like it could deal more damage to light units and less damage to non-light units. Or some other specialization like that. I guess you could also just make it further down the tech tree--like require fleet beacon + templar archives + robotics bay so there's no risk of a rush, something like that would also allow you to get more silly with the damage).
The problem with the mothership is that it's easily killed for an expensive unit. Using it in a battle is like doing off road with a Rolls Royce. I think the answer is add an ability to resummon it at the nexus after it dies for something like 150/150
Not to mention if you get a fat neural parasite on the mothership and it starts nuking your own army
Yes, it is a heroic unit so treat it as such. Resurrect for a price like we're WC3.
Could make it Over Powered. But definitely something to keep in mind if Toss feel under powered going forward. I play almost exclusively Protoss.
Yes. That’s the only thing preventing it from being OP.
@@milanmach2379you can already resurrect it... For 400/400
@6:00 bug where motherships can’t shoot workers for some reason. It happened on stream too when someone proxied a mothership only for it not shoot any of the workers 😂
Mothership can attack while shooting let's go!
But yeah, I would say you for sure got 400/400 worth of resources out of the mothership. I will still continue to say that I would like it to be a proper capital ship, it's a step in the good direction, butr still not all the way there. Still happy to see that there IS already some Mothership cheese. I personally can't wait to see it harassing drones like Terran BC's ^^"
What would make it a proper capital ship? (Honest question; I am not that well-informed as to what the qualifications are.)
Honestly, first thing I'd like to see is to make it not being yoink/neural by zergs. Would also like to see its range increase, maybe at least against air. It being so easy to get sniped by vikings and corruptors do suck.
You know what, grab the Tal'darim Mothership in COOP/Campaign, tune down the numbers and I think you get a proper one. Also, you know like how Ghost Nukes has a global audio cue? Just adds that when a Protoss is preparing to summon a Mothership, so everyone knows a big whoppass is about to happen soon.
It would be cool if a mothership would provide a engery zone to make a warp in possible and to provide energy for buildings.
If that were the case, it should not be allowed to attack, or at least attack less or have a lot lower damage or else it would be incredibly OP
@@magnusbjarnihow? It's just an incredibly expensive warp prism? And you can only make 1. It would still be nothing but a meme unit.
Make it change modes like Warp Prism. Maybe faster deployment or bigger field
That's kinda what Recall is for, outside the fact that the cooldown is 90 seconds. Make a bunch of units at base, both gateway and also robo and star, then Recall them through. When you pushed far enough, Nexus Recall back home.
@@magnusbjarnithis is the one step forward two steps back PiG had noticed with every Protoss “buff”. Can’t Protoss just have a straight up buff? Motherships already has a heroic tag, highest cost, and most advanced tech tree
Mothership must be made immune to abduct!
Seriously, make this happen
I'd go a step further, make larger units, carriers/BC's/Thors/ultra's should cause vipers to meet in the middle between the two units and motherships should just have the abducting viper dragged to them instead.
@@2pairOfAcesyeah thats a good way to make zerg winrate in late game 0%
@@2pairOfAces yeah that, or maybe they attach and slowly drag the target when moving the opposite direction, kind of like how stukov Leviathan does in co-op mode (but only lasts 2-3seconds).
They should make abduct pull distance be -1 overall but be +2 vs light and -1 vs massive and -4 vs Heroic.
That way, the cast range is the same but the distance the units are being yoinked are different depending on the unit type. Abduct would be good against light units like HT, Ghosts and Raven etc. but slightly weaker against massive units like BCs and Carriers. Most importantly, it'll be much weaker against Mothership.
Mothership must have pylon warp underneath
Why not for that cost.
200m for a warp prism and 5 apm to micro? Please. 😢
@@gabinandino4342 The ability to reinforce with the mothership would be a nice buff. This video makes it seem like that would be too powerful though maybe make it have a cool down… like mass recall.
I saw yesterday Maxpax and Harstem trying to stop Clem and they just couldn't do it without battery overcharge no matter what they tried
I think the thing that bugs me the most about this is that when the was to hold are found or added every protoss at every level is now expected to entirely relearn their early game so they are safe.
I don't think you can have the complaint that protoss is a low skill race when they need to completely relearn build orders every other patch - if you want to adjust to increase the skill expression they need, then you need a stable base for that.
I play Zerg and honestly the removal of battery overcharge baffles me. Like what is stopping Zerg from Roach-Ravager all-inning every game?
@@Karttibone Blizzard thinks that we like to do blind stalker/inmortal every game...
Where was this, on twitch? I mean, we all saw this coming. You play with forcefield, Terran picks up and goes to the main
@@Karttibone nothing. All they can for for is an Oracle rush and get a bunch of kills, but that isn't going to work with the new spores
The best minerals (M) to health (H) ratio for the viper consume is the as follows:
Extractor = 25 M for 500 H
= 20 health per mineral.
Evolution chamber = 75 M for 750 H
= 10 health per mineral
Hatch (patch) = 275 M for 1500 H
= 5.45 health per mineral (but helps with larva / troop placement)
Spore = 75 M for 300 H (patch)
= 4 health per mineral (defense)
Spine = 100 M for 300 H
= 3 health per mineral (defense)
The key take away is to get the utility of the macro hatch for the viper energy battery, you would have to pay twice the price. Extra Evo chambers is a good idea, as they are twice the health per mineral I feel they should first hit the extractors / hatchery to get the regeneration on multiple buildings. But I also feel choosing which building to consume is not the highest priority for a busy player.
It would be a nice quality of life features if you could queue up consume on any building and the viper will go to the highest health % building within sight and consume from there (prioritizing, consumed extractors and then non-upgrading evolution chambers).
Your didn't account for the cost of the drone. All zerg buildings cost 1 drone on top of minerals and gas.
@@michaelbuckersSo much work and then so thoughtless 😅
@@michaelbuckers true the drone costs plus is often an opportunity cost.
I wonder if vipers could consume constructing buildings? Now that would be micro intensive lol. Start a evo chamber and consume it a few times then cancel lol.
@@RichyRich2607 are you implying the post was a lot of work, but was thoughtless? Geez that is a bit harsh lol. Just commenting of something winter mentioned. If you included the drone that would imply that you would make a drone for the sole purpose of building a building. This was an oversight but not a meaningful one.
Feels like the new mothership is better than it seems on paper- though it could be it's just because it's nice to see it shoot at so many things at once
It's good to look at, still the same shit unit that gets yanked by one viper
@@heikg i agree that it feels wrong that a unit like the mothership can be pulled by a viper, there should at least be some drawback for the viper or so idk
can‘t wait to never see this in pro players
I brought food and wine to watch this and "2 base Mothership all-in" made me forget my cutlery.
Or "couverts", as they say in france.
Or "France", as they say in le France.
Loving the multi-attack mothership. Even more fun looking than I expected.
Looks like the 4 beams let the mothershi distribute enough damage for decent clean up kills.
Yeah decent clean up in unrealistic match where there are no corruptor or viper...
@@LaCroix05 It was a rush. That's why you rush it, to dodge the hard counters for long enough to do significant damage. The risk is a weak early game.
this is sick. also kudos on your G efficiency, acquiring so many in one game
harstem in patch notes video "mothership is trash i dont care"
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next day - this video
How many tournaments will we see this in
Also very useful irl too 0:57 lmao
Being back MS vortex and make units coming out of vertex immune to damage for 3 seconds, but can attack. This will make a very interesting plays.
I feel like the Mothership should also have a Pylon aura. Whether it's just passive, always on, or it's on a cooldown and you need to activate it. You should be able to use it to warp units in. That's like... the entire point of all sci-fi motherships.
Since the Mothership is summoned at the Nexus, and they raised the price of it to pay for increased beefiness, what if the mothership spawed by turning the nexus into the mothership? That'd add 400 minerals to the price, effectively (so you could cut back the cost somewhat), and would look pretty cool. On the other hand, I suppose that might step on Terran "lift buildings up" toes.
Gaslighting is strong with this one
Don't even. I guess it's easy when your livelihood no longer depends on you actually winning. As a streamer you just need to focus on making fun content, which is why Kevin is so convenient to the balance council. They can say they have a Toss who agrees with the changes.
I haven't played in probably a year since they buffed the widow mine... which is objectively the most game-breaking unit by a wide margin for lower ranks ... But I was a Zerg player. that said, I like the mothership being an actual badass unit. I would love to see it have an option to go into a stationary mode where it's immune to abduct, attack lasers have +1 range, and acts as a warp prism. I mean, how the hell does a MOTHERSHIP for the golden Armada not have pylon energy built in?
Waiting for the "Mama to GM" series :)
In this build I think you need to build an earlier battery at the 3rd or a 2nd void ray.
The moment your opponent sees you have a mothership it becomes useless. It's still too fragile to be used for anything other than surprise attacks, why do you think they choose to "buff" only this toss unit. The aim is to make everyone stop playing toss.
Nice little jab at Lunchly at 0:07
Kevin doing his best to make it look like the balance patch did anything good for Protoss is like telling someone who got late stage cancer "Woah, so you don't even need to go to work anymore"
I still think they should add a special supply building to each race that lets them have 1 hero unit. Mothership, Odin...Leviathan? Make the building expensive but it charges like a warp gate does, so once its charged you can just summon the unit. If it dies you gotta let it recharge before summoning for free. Add some special spell casting to army compositions and spice up build orders. The fact that this patch was all about "not playing turtle style" then giving terran more turtling while taking it from protoss and telling zergs they should build more static defense instead of queens its just hilarious.
"Look at the mothership it can attack while shooting" -Harstem 2024
I was always stumped by how I'm supposed to hold early ling and lisk aggression, but this multi-attack mothership may indeed be the future. Maybe it needs to be cheaper and weaker to be afforded earlier. More of an utility play.
Going full circle to mothership core, here we go!
Glad to see mothership not being completely useless
I like the new mothership, low attack but it's five targets looks good!
I love seeing more force shields. So much higher a skill ceiling.
This thing feels like the Bismark, sure u gonna kill anything but its so costly to lose it that dang
Harstem, when are you doing a cheese tier list?
Cannon rush is likely its own tier above S, but what rank would you put tempest and mothership rush?
Don't get me started on "proxy" DT, not sure how to name it but basically hide your dark temple and infiltrate with blink DTs into opponent base
Imagine if it gets cheaper to build every time. Starts at 800, and eventually you get it to 0. Just gotta hang in there long enough!
i think the only thing the mothership could use is a bit more range on its basic attack but it looks like its in a perfect spot to be a fun unit
Does each beam get the upgrade damage bonus or just each target?
every beam. So each attack upgrade gives it 16 more damage
While they're at it, they should also remove the armored and massive tag, while giving it spell immunity. That's what protoss needs.
add a building to protoss, "repair bay" where nano bots or some shit repair protoss units. not mobile and can't really use it in combat but gives u a way to repair. add "mothership core overcharge" or some shit where it gives the mother ship, and the mother ship only slight shield regen over time. like 5 shield regen per second for 30 seconds. like a mini battery but self buff.
Given it to the robotics bay, maybe, and have it disable units for a set amount of time while it heals.
Still, considering the design philosophy of the game, shields are supposed to be Protoss's renewable health resource. It regens faster than zerg do and for free, but less than a full heal like Terrans do for cost.
@@calebadam2576 i would rather them add a ton of broken shit to each race. Who the fuck cares. Make the game fun again.
@VeryBadPlayerTV Sure, but there are some core game design details that make each race feel unique. Health values and regeneration is part of that.
@calebadam2576 you don't have to take away from any of that to add more. Hell even give zerg an upgrade to regen 3-5x more on creep. Even protoss could get other shield upgrades besides +1 less damage.... please bring more to the game in any way
@@VeryBadPlayerTV You gotta realize the game is something like 14 years old or so at this point. It's not going to get too radical of changes.
the damage output on momma is wild
I used to play Pure Mothership Rush, so is nice to see my strat in more expert hands
Turns out, a flying unit with aoe is actually kinda good! Who knew? -Zerg players aren't real-
Also, the scaling on that thing is kinda nuts, too - a 6 damage x 4 hits x 4 targets attack means like 16 extra damage per upgrade, which is on par with a carrier I think? Except without the weakness of having to rely on interceptors.
Im so excited to see more mothership play
Finally a mothership is a mothership and not a magical ballon?
Not saying the MS should be able to warp in….but in love to see it warp in units also lol
This is what the mother ship ought to be, the protoss capital ship that's powerful. 😊
Give Mommaship her Black Hole ability back, please!
Maybe add Permanent Cloaking Field back but with acivation?
Current Cloaking Field but permanent, can be toggled on and off but with cooldown before being able to turn on again after turning off?
Why would you want to disable the cloack????
So Mothership wouldn't be an instant target, can create many new playstyles and bait styles with ofcourse cooldown on being able to turn it on again to be permanent. Cooldown being like the balancing part of that strat Basically its the current cloak but permanent instead of 20 secs but with that cooldown on turning it on again.@@KradDrows
Today we learned that mothership can attack while shooting xD
Having said that, previously the mothership just put on a bit of a light show for a few seconds before being destroyed, where it's actually attacking now. If not for community uproar about the patch, I'd be certain that the new mothership would not make it into the game. As it is now... I think there's still a fair chance that the council will decide not to allow this version of the mothership into the game.
Cheeky little mothership rush. Love to see it
Can you hallucinate the mothership with a sentry? Might be able to juke the opponent.
@@aznfelguard nop
Finally some awesome tosslove again in a long time ... but poor swarm lol
Is a 6 minute mothership a rush?
Only two minutes after the battle cruiser teleports into your base
More of this please
07:46 -400/-400
They shoulda just made the MS 350/350 instead of going back and forth between 300/300 and 400/400. And maybe more survivability. As the games sole "hero unit" it shouldn't be brittle. (It did fight well this game though)
I feel like they made the modership 5 times stronger
@@Military_Equipments until a zerg with brains builds 1 viper, then the fun is over
Don't know if its any good, but it looks pretty cool.
We got good mothership before gta6
pheonix/ oracle start instead of void ray should be stronger
What a tool to get rid of zergling play ! I like it (And I am Zerg main). It's cool and fun.
I think oracles would already do this
Limit/price increase dont look good for me, other race units dont get theyr unit cost increased (zergs hatch cheaper but fleet beacon do not). The beam can kill lings, this moment may help against mass lings. You also can recoll if prism died..
Can two nexi overcharge each other for infinite energy?
There's a global 60 second cooldown on the ability, so no.
@@Unormalismand range limit of 8
Can't have Protoss building 17 Nexus like some other race does for infinite map hack
What map is this?
This is some gourmet cheese right here
Гарно вийшло 👍🏻💪🔥
New mothership cheese is crazy - kills him with carriers...
i wish i could play like you
Haha.. Harstem let's see this mothershio rush against clem or Buyon
So many Gs for one game ❤
fresh cheese is just milk
fun to watch
Sup with the scottish accent that shines through? :D
instead of copy SC2 races, they should had to go to Warcraft4 style immediately! Infernal is a great middle age race which does not fit with the high tech ones
-400/400
Calling this a RUSH is WILD! Bro could have just walked his units across and map and saved 400+400. With a few extra stalkers with that money lol. How much is the Terran Balance council paying you? Blink once then scratch your left ear if you are posing this video under duress.
It's a ckickbait title, can you blame him?
Make skytoss great again
Bring back vortex!
dislike and negative comment due to the patch
Clowns get downed. #neverforget
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PLZ REMOVE THIS UNIT
Terran wins ...
This is the most biased review I ever see. Where is the viper and corruptor which usually kill mothership???
It's not a review, it's just a match he played trying the strategy. Calm down.