btw the solution is not to split and pull your workers out and give up the base, if you scout the amount of roaches you pump some voidrays but other than that you have to take the fights in your own deathball because it beats theirs when it's only roach--given how small the groups of roaches are you probably only lose one base but position is fine because your opponent just invested all of their larva into a unit you can counter without any effort only leaving this comment because I don't want you to think harstem praising the guy for beating you with a split up force means you would win if you also had a really good split up force, odds are you don't because of your army size
Stutter stepping into the lurkers at 22:10 is actually a good example of "negative micro"; he feels like he's doing well by moving between volleys, but all he's doing is putting more of his units into the lurker splash.
Entire games full of negative micro, which is always super common. Stalkers are big time kings of negative micro because most players control them all at once instead of moving them in smaller boxed groups. The reason to use smaller boxed groups outside of just making blink much better is that you end up with 4 or 5 groups of off rhythm stalkers that spread their damage out. If you control them as one big group you end up with 20 stalkers firing on one roach and wasting a ton of dps.
I like how Captain talks about optimal builds/actions - meanwhile us in the diamond/metal leagues, anything +/- 3 minutes is a mental victory already 🔥
you just leveled up, and gained a new ability, "split T1" you can now split your army into 2 armies and control them. enhance this ability with rare materials to improve it to "split T2" and be able to control 3 armies.
indeed splitting roaches in the end was sick compared to earlier gameplay but he actually won the game by realizing hes not getting any interest from having 2k in their bank and finally spent it on units
Everyone seems to think someone else took over for the Zerg at the end, but, to me, it seems like the "switch" was in response to the Protoss using the Nexus recall at 24:41 (game clock 21:30); game ends before the Nexus recall is off CD (game clock 22:23).
To be at least a little critical of the zerg: need evo chamber upgrades, when floating tons of gas and minerals. Make infestation pit at some reasonable time. Hive --> vipers. If they go skytoss, this composition gets rekt.
That's just because the guy has a fast repeat key setting on and is holding down the z key for the lings. You'll notice when Harstem switches to production right on the spike there's 30 lings being made all at the same time. Zerg players tend to have some of the most insane repeat rates because of the unit production mechanic. With the pros there's the old (and true) joke that you can't even type Google on the browser because as soon as you get your finger down it types like 10 g's. It would be extremely hard to macro as a zerg if you had to tap the key 15 times just to make 30 lings. The game still interprets the each "key press" as the apm though, whether they come from a single press or a repeat event. If you make 30 lings in a second that's a huge spike in apm, even if all you did was hold down a key.
Sevreal points out that he's up by 20-25 workers, but fails to mention that he allows the Zerg to build 17 drones at once, with no punishment, starting around 9:41. This effectively erases his worker lead.
I don't play SC2 ranked. I'm more of broodwar guy, but to play it on ladder with 100ms is sad. Good to know about Harstem and his content. His knowledge is entertaining!
@@andrewadami3920 It's 8 (+2 with Upgrade) on the Lurkers vs. 7 (+2 with Upgrade) with Colossus. So if the Lurkers have no upgrade and the Colossus has Extended Thermal Lance the Colossus can outrange the Lurker by 1.
I guess the toss would have won that if he knew about all army hotkey and attack move. After defending the first attack of the ravagers he didnt use his oracles once for harras or scout. He would have seen massive drone rounds and just won with A move into the 3rd.
Huh. Was going to ask if thats Planetary Annihilation OST im hearing and then i realized its actually Starcraft OST. Didnt noticed they sound so similar. Didnt notice starcraft OST at all actually up untill now...
Spoiler: At the end that seemed like Reynor/Dark/Serral took over the control for 30 seconds and completely washed the protoss off the map. Although i think they both played decent, but that Zerg move at the end was like GM lvl.
There's a typo at the end. You should have said "adapted" instead of "adepted". However, DEFINITELY save that for a future date where an Adept build wins, cuz that is a banger of a slogan.
As a diamond 3 zerg I die a lot from these kinds of armies from toss. It is hell of hard to deal with colossus until vipers come out and it is quite hard to get them. And even if they are in the
I am absolutely convinced that a new guy took over for zerg in the end. There is just no way he suddenly started playing better after the shit show he was putting on before.
What, cause I've been in the lab with a pen and a pad tryin get this build order off? I ain't havin that, this is an IODIS where we do gamer math, he ain't gon be comin back from that. So build one more macro hatch and zerg livin in a habitat. Now a days them Templars wanna talk like they got somethin to say, but nothin comes out cause they have no lips, just a bunch of gibberish, the Sarahlovers act like they forgot about Dre.
Man, this would go over a lot of people's heads. Or at least the ones in the right age group might not get this Forgot about Dre reference. I started rapping in my head immediately lol
13:40 this is the problem, you cant take such terrible fights and have such terrible micro. No attempt at letting the zealots attack while pulling immos away, just terrible terrible micro all around. Im surprised he would even send a replay with such a fight. Embarrassing really.
You wanna talk about REAL imbalance. The Orbital Command is imbalanced. How does orbital scan and mules not have a global cooldown? That's insane! Pay a small mineral tax and get permanent map hacks, and people think that's just OK? No workers? That's fine, did you pay your mineral tax this game? If so you can just survive off of mules. Nexus energy overcharge has a global cooldown with limited range, while the orbital command has no cooldowns with unlimited range. Mules should 100% have a limited range similar to the Nexus range for energy overcharge, and orbital scan should have a global cooldown.
Its Zeus GF Zeus got really angry watching his GF, and obviously he's the alpha I mean the name is stating she's his GF... He just pushed her away from the keyboard and took over the game at the end there... lol
I love the iodis complaints against zerg. Zergs have to get so much better to match a terran at the same MMR, and it really makes for Banger iodis episodes.
I am a simple noob under 40 APM, Protoss player. I heard that Clem was impossible for you and Maxpax to take out with the new patch. That said from my noob position, I would like to see you try a speed rush if it makes sense. My idea is to rush 2 base saturation build tons of warpgates and atleast 2 forges and the necessary buildings to upgrade zealots with the charge speed boost deal. Focus on getting lv. 3 while pumping zealots down the enemies throat and use the assault as your scouting to know where you build from there. Keep in mind I have only been playing about 2 months now, but I think someone with your APM and skill could make this an effective start. Plus if you can make it work against Clem then I have hope of making the build work myself. If my idea is stupid feel free to Rip it apart in a video I go by Arkenos on North American server.
you can probably get good results with this without needing +3. PiG has a mass zealot build similar to what you're suggesting in his diamond 1 protoss b2gm, also don't even sweat about your APM, just do the right things in the right order,spend your money and you should win
8:28 "Everything should be coming back home." It does. 14:05 when harstem unconsciously realizes zerg is imba. 14:14 Talking about spent "investments" of protos while the zerg is floating more than 3k minerals. workers kinda the same. 15:39: zerg not macroing is an advantage for ther zerg. 20:18 "you won a fight with only 2k resources in your favour your in trouble" 22:44 "You have no army left" while it's 74 vs 87 supply in favour of protos. and another 1.7k fight. 23:05 Keeps talking about "no army" while supply and army is very close , only that zerg floats 2k minerals. 26:48 "your're winning" while protos was winning all game long. 27:57 I would accept the "outplayed" explaination, if zerg won on a key location. but zerg won on both sides. Protos played better this game and thus deserves the win. Ergo purely judging on that game alone, zerg seems imba on lower levels.
If your opponent can bank 3k minerals and you don't win that fight because every time you micro you make things worse for your army and lose fights that should be wins, then you just suck. Zerg isn't imba, Protoss failed to capitalise on any advantage he made for himself. Also no storm.
@@ThoraeJenkins I saw some lvl appropriate micro to dodge biles. Stepping into lerkers was bad, but resource wise still a winning fight. Mistakes were made on both sides. Or are you saying the zerg microd overall so much better that he deserves the win ?
@@aresagathos2075 I'm saying that just straight up a-moving would have been better for the protoss in most fights. Dodging biles is good to practice too, but so often he just wasn't helping himself.
This guy should play terran, not protoss. You cant just lose your army like that or be out of position. Theres a serious fundamental misunderstanding here.
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Thank you for reviewing my vid Captain, gotta take that feedback to heart :)
I appreciate your courage to show up and take Harstem's criticism like a good sport. 👍
I think mine will be next, so stay tuned :,)
I dont know how response he will be to the form tho but oh well. I sent it anyway ;D
Gg
Warp prism earlier would have won you the game. Never forget one when you got a robo!
btw the solution is not to split and pull your workers out and give up the base, if you scout the amount of roaches you pump some voidrays but other than that you have to take the fights in your own deathball because it beats theirs when it's only roach--given how small the groups of roaches are you probably only lose one base but position is fine because your opponent just invested all of their larva into a unit you can counter without any effort
only leaving this comment because I don't want you to think harstem praising the guy for beating you with a split up force means you would win if you also had a really good split up force, odds are you don't because of your army size
Stutter stepping into the lurkers at 22:10 is actually a good example of "negative micro"; he feels like he's doing well by moving between volleys, but all he's doing is putting more of his units into the lurker splash.
Entire games full of negative micro, which is always super common. Stalkers are big time kings of negative micro because most players control them all at once instead of moving them in smaller boxed groups.
The reason to use smaller boxed groups outside of just making blink much better is that you end up with 4 or 5 groups of off rhythm stalkers that spread their damage out. If you control them as one big group you end up with 20 stalkers firing on one roach and wasting a ton of dps.
to be fair: Zeusgf applies to a lot of people, mythologically speaking
Including swangf and bullgf. Extremely sus.
I like how Captain talks about optimal builds/actions - meanwhile us in the diamond/metal leagues, anything +/- 3 minutes is a mental victory already 🔥
Bro is evolving mid-match like he's a character in Blue Lock
you just leveled up, and gained a new ability, "split T1" you can now split your army into 2 armies and control them. enhance this ability with rare materials to improve it to "split T2" and be able to control 3 armies.
Zeus gave divine advice to his girl at the end I guess.
I would say he took over :)
indeed splitting roaches in the end was sick compared to earlier gameplay but he actually won the game by realizing hes not getting any interest from having 2k in their bank and finally spent it on units
Everyone seems to think someone else took over for the Zerg at the end, but, to me, it seems like the "switch" was in response to the Protoss using the Nexus recall at 24:41 (game clock 21:30); game ends before the Nexus recall is off CD (game clock 22:23).
Captain delivered on that roasting request, not disappointed
21 Nexus - not very common in PvZ, PvT, and PvP....🤣
It's normal it's TvZ buld
To be at least a little critical of the zerg: need evo chamber upgrades, when floating tons of gas and minerals. Make infestation pit at some reasonable time. Hive --> vipers. If they go skytoss, this composition gets rekt.
26:01 check the apm right before harstem looks away, it spiked to almost 600 right as the roach splits happened.
That's just because the guy has a fast repeat key setting on and is holding down the z key for the lings. You'll notice when Harstem switches to production right on the spike there's 30 lings being made all at the same time. Zerg players tend to have some of the most insane repeat rates because of the unit production mechanic. With the pros there's the old (and true) joke that you can't even type Google on the browser because as soon as you get your finger down it types like 10 g's. It would be extremely hard to macro as a zerg if you had to tap the key 15 times just to make 30 lings. The game still interprets the each "key press" as the apm though, whether they come from a single press or a repeat event. If you make 30 lings in a second that's a huge spike in apm, even if all you did was hold down a key.
Harstem your commentary skills are PEAK, had a blast watchin this and learnt that i have alot to learn as a toss THANKS !!
You had bazooka, and he had a stick while blindfolded. And you lost, he beat you with his skill.
This is the best.
Thanks Harstem.
Sevreal points out that he's up by 20-25 workers, but fails to mention that he allows the Zerg to build 17 drones at once, with no punishment, starting around 9:41. This effectively erases his worker lead.
I don't play SC2 ranked. I'm more of broodwar guy, but to play it on ladder with 100ms is sad. Good to know about Harstem and his content. His knowledge is entertaining!
when something in the zerg caused him to flip the switch, i was in shock, literally looked like his older brother took over the controls
Zeus was like "babe move over, I'll handle this"
The brother was the one who whispered "You can do two things at the same time" 😂
takes one to know one, huh, harstem
The Glassvengers...
The Avenglasses...
Cannon avenger glasses...
shit.
As always captain, IODIS is my favorite SC2 youtube show. gg!
Don't believe everything you hear. Colossi do NOT outrange lurkers. Do NOT try this trick on zergs.
They used to. Rip 10 range Colossus and 9 range lurkers. :(
Isn't it 9 range vs 8 range now?
@@andrewadami3920 collosi have 7(+2 upgrade) range lurkers have 8(+2upgrade) range
@@andrewadami3920 It's 8 (+2 with Upgrade) on the Lurkers vs. 7 (+2 with Upgrade) with Colossus.
So if the Lurkers have no upgrade and the Colossus has Extended Thermal Lance the Colossus can outrange the Lurker by 1.
At Master and above level double and triple prong attacks are standard, practice using multiple hotkeys every game and it will happen.
The voice cracks is the excitement.
Does the final decision stamp always say "Declinced"? I never noticed before.
I guess the toss would have won that if he knew about all army hotkey and attack move. After defending the first attack of the ravagers he didnt use his oracles once for harras or scout. He would have seen massive drone rounds and just won with A move into the 3rd.
Huh. Was going to ask if thats Planetary Annihilation OST im hearing and then i realized its actually Starcraft OST. Didnt noticed they sound so similar. Didnt notice starcraft OST at all actually up untill now...
Spoiler:
At the end that seemed like Reynor/Dark/Serral took over the control for 30 seconds and completely washed the protoss off the map.
Although i think they both played decent, but that Zerg move at the end was like GM lvl.
4:46 The Harstem fabric mark at this point
There's a typo at the end. You should have said "adapted" instead of "adepted". However, DEFINITELY save that for a future date where an Adept build wins, cuz that is a banger of a slogan.
Where's the link of your course, Harstem? I can't see anything from your bio. :(
As a diamond 3 zerg I die a lot from these kinds of armies from toss. It is hell of hard to deal with colossus until vipers come out and it is quite hard to get them. And even if they are in the
I wouldn't recommend using spellcasters below mid Masters as Zerg & there's no need to. Roach/Hydra/Lurker can get the win-rate.
For the protoss I feel like a few bowling balls would help a lot
if th zerg starts using makro hatches he will punch a lot harder, couldve overwhelmed him many times if his larvacount would permit it
fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 moves once but fear the man who has practiced one move 10,000 times.
Diamond league in a nutshell
Huge ZERG ENERGY! LETS GO!
maybe Zeus took over....
What Zerg units are not glass canon ? Queens, Ultras (If no Ghost) and maybe Corruptors....
"interesting" in chess lingo is "suspicious" as in the guy is utilizing a chess engine
a roach flank = water into wine
at the end Zeus took over from his gf and dropped the lightning.
Why cant I like a second time?? The laugh in the end hit me like I was Zeus' gf! Jesus the wine is good.
Zeus' gf should've submitted IIODIS considering protoss almost won
21:44 im a protoss, id rather do the meth.
Mainstream Media ... Lowko ... Winter ... :D
lesson from this video : Jesus is imba
I am absolutely convinced that a new guy took over for zerg in the end. There is just no way he suddenly started playing better after the shit show he was putting on before.
Nah they were a true zerg
No IIODIS in title made me almost skip this gem, bruh...
What, cause I've been in the lab with a pen and a pad tryin get this build order off? I ain't havin that, this is an IODIS where we do gamer math, he ain't gon be comin back from that. So build one more macro hatch and zerg livin in a habitat.
Now a days them Templars wanna talk like they got somethin to say, but nothin comes out cause they have no lips, just a bunch of gibberish, the Sarahlovers act like they forgot about Dre.
Man, this would go over a lot of people's heads. Or at least the ones in the right age group might not get this Forgot about Dre reference. I started rapping in my head immediately lol
Algo comment for my cappy
13:40 this is the problem, you cant take such terrible fights and have such terrible micro. No attempt at letting the zealots attack while pulling immos away, just terrible terrible micro all around. Im surprised he would even send a replay with such a fight. Embarrassing really.
Best episode ever hahahahahaa
LMAAAAAOOOOOOO😂
NEVER TRUSTING LOWKO AGAIN!!!111
You wanna talk about REAL imbalance. The Orbital Command is imbalanced. How does orbital scan and mules not have a global cooldown? That's insane! Pay a small mineral tax and get permanent map hacks, and people think that's just OK? No workers? That's fine, did you pay your mineral tax this game? If so you can just survive off of mules. Nexus energy overcharge has a global cooldown with limited range, while the orbital command has no cooldowns with unlimited range. Mules should 100% have a limited range similar to the Nexus range for energy overcharge, and orbital scan should have a global cooldown.
Nice
Its Zeus GF Zeus got really angry watching his GF, and obviously he's the alpha I mean the name is stating she's his GF... He just pushed her away from the keyboard and took over the game at the end there... lol
did you realize that you always say his and him to zeusGf?
I love the iodis complaints against zerg. Zergs have to get so much better to match a terran at the same MMR, and it really makes for Banger iodis episodes.
I was gonna subscribe to the super premium for 999 Euros, but i only have dollars /cry
My guess is that its a girl playing and the boyfriend took over who is prob masters or something when he seen she was losing.
I am a simple noob under 40 APM, Protoss player. I heard that Clem was impossible for you and Maxpax to take out with the new patch. That said from my noob position, I would like to see you try a speed rush if it makes sense. My idea is to rush 2 base saturation build tons of warpgates and atleast 2 forges and the necessary buildings to upgrade zealots with the charge speed boost deal. Focus on getting lv. 3 while pumping zealots down the enemies throat and use the assault as your scouting to know where you build from there. Keep in mind I have only been playing about 2 months now, but I think someone with your APM and skill could make this an effective start. Plus if you can make it work against Clem then I have hope of making the build work myself. If my idea is stupid feel free to Rip it apart in a video I go by Arkenos on North American server.
you can probably get good results with this without needing +3. PiG has a mass zealot build similar to what you're suggesting in his diamond 1 protoss b2gm, also don't even sweat about your APM, just do the right things in the right order,spend your money and you should win
what are your thoughts on mana z-lot only to GM?
@grimmingpitb461 if the micro is solid, you may have to sprinkle in some air defense units depending on the enemies build.
@@matthewcaskey1051 and yeah no need to sweat about APM. 120APM can get you to GM even without turtle styles or high GM game knowledge
"Instead of getting splash units, we are getting these straight shooters"
Looks at army with 2 colossus and 6 archons
Immortals were being built instead of more Colossi, and no Storm.
¬bad
8:28 "Everything should be coming back home." It does.
14:05 when harstem unconsciously realizes zerg is imba.
14:14 Talking about spent "investments" of protos while the zerg is floating more than 3k minerals. workers kinda the same.
15:39: zerg not macroing is an advantage for ther zerg.
20:18 "you won a fight with only 2k resources in your favour your in trouble"
22:44 "You have no army left" while it's 74 vs 87 supply in favour of protos. and another 1.7k fight.
23:05 Keeps talking about "no army" while supply and army is very close , only that zerg floats 2k minerals.
26:48 "your're winning" while protos was winning all game long.
27:57 I would accept the "outplayed" explaination, if zerg won on a key location. but zerg won on both sides.
Protos played better this game and thus deserves the win. Ergo purely judging on that game alone, zerg seems imba on lower levels.
protoss could have got a free win by just not stopping collossus production. Deserved to lose
If your opponent can bank 3k minerals and you don't win that fight because every time you micro you make things worse for your army and lose fights that should be wins, then you just suck.
Zerg isn't imba, Protoss failed to capitalise on any advantage he made for himself. Also no storm.
@@ThoraeJenkins I saw some lvl appropriate micro to dodge biles. Stepping into lerkers was bad, but resource wise still a winning fight. Mistakes were made on both sides. Or are you saying the zerg microd overall so much better that he deserves the win ?
@@aresagathos2075 I'm saying that just straight up a-moving would have been better for the protoss in most fights.
Dodging biles is good to practice too, but so often he just wasn't helping himself.
I don't see how this is even a question just look at the results of every major tournament of the last two years, Protoss sucks.
just won a protoss game on ladder, checkmate atheist
@@countarchvile Unless your game is paying watched by thousands of people in a major tournament no one gives a shit. Ladder games do not matter.
@@alistairbolden6340 serious hat serious shirt. Take him seriously he’s serious
This guy should play terran, not protoss. You cant just lose your army like that or be out of position. Theres a serious fundamental misunderstanding here.
Complementsandwich. love your vids. Your Complaint Form needs a darkmode. I like your shoes