What is funny is that Stroll even admitted to the stewards the he wanted to teach Hamilton a lesson - and still it was considered not dangerous, just erratic...
@@Yetabronz it's in the fia report: "The driver of Car 18 stated that he got impeded by Car 44 into Turn 5 and that upset him. He admitted that he wanted to express his displeasure to the other driver by pulling over on him at the exit. Both cars made slight contact which was incidental. However, the Stewards consider the move made by Car 18, whilst not being dangerous, to be erratic and therefore issue a driving reprimand in line with precedents."
The thing that is quite insane with it is that Lando got a reprimand in Monaco for moving towards George after being impeded. So moving towards a driver is the same as hitting them.
@@henrrryyyyExactly. Flipping someone off is the same as shoulder barging them according to these stewards who don't want to upset the precious millionaires in their billion dollar cars.
Just as not penalizing Senna, then Schumacher and later, Verstappen has 'normalized' bad behaviour. It's time to clamp down. Stroll and LeClerc should be parked for one race at minimum, as should anyone else that behaves irrationally and drives their car into another.
This seems so out of character for Charles, but agree he deserved a stronger penalty. Kudos to Matt for showing you can be a die hard fan and still call out bad behavior.
I think Charles is slowly getting more assertive, seen in this incident and on the radio the other race saying "that is not whay I am asking, tell me xxx", I support that but not to the extent of putting lives in danger.
So Alonso runs slightly wide in active racing when side by side with Sainz in China, causing contact and damage, and gets 3 penalty points, whereas Leclerc deliberately drives into Lando when they are not racing and it's just a reprimand?
@@Dyils I know. I'm just pointing out that the 2 are not comparable. You can't expect the same penalty for both incidents. Should Stroll and leclerc be penalised? Of course yes.
@@gasgaslex_photos bwahahahahahaha such a delsusional take Daddy Leclerc is monegasque. His family literally had to PROVE they have that kind of money ´to the prince. Acting like Charles hasnt grown up with the exact same priviledges is absolutely hilarious.
Imagine if ocon or max did that, they'd be in huge trouble. Charles got away with it because he's too popular, Stroll got away with it because his dad owns a team. I'd give them at least a 3 grid place penalty to send a clear message to the drivers that it's not acceptable to intentionally drive into another car.
It is the definition of dangerous driving How did the FIA decide it wasn’t dangerous? They literally called what Leclerc did ‘dangerous driving’ when Vettel did it to Hamilton at Baku
@@lukew6725 so basically Max and Lewis should be penalized for almost all the overtakes they’ve made. Max intentionally hit Leclerc in Austria 2019 when he rammed him off the track but that was apparently all ok.
100%! He looked like he was going to smash him real hard out of the game, at whatever the cost to himself. Look at the speed that he takes off at after! It's like he realizes shit what am I doing hahaha
I’d understand this about Stroll, but Leclerc “misjudging” where his car was is absolute BS. He’s able to get Pole positions in Monaco and Baku, of course he knows exactly where his car is.
Surely this opens up the ability to deliberately damage someone's car at the end of FP3, to potentially effect their qualifying and cost cap. And now a precedent has been set that it's not punishable? Plus, this is the exact kind of thing that licence penalty points should be for. Deliberate unsafe actions
I'm a Ferrari fan and I think LEC deserved at least a penalty if not a race ban. I'm thinking of it like a footballer violently lashing out a another player when things don't go his way, that would be a red card and at least a one match ban.
Unreal how Alonso can pick up 3 points for nothing, but *intentionally* striking another car because you're throwing a tantrum is a reprimand. I don't care if it's practice, qualifying, or a race--no one should be driving like this.
That FiA report for Charles and Lando is absurd; weaving across the road to show your distress to the other driver is dangerous driving, not erratic driving.
I feel like the same judgement made for Lewis walking across the live track should have been given here. “…in view of his role model status, the FIA is concerned about the impression his actions may have created on younger drivers.” I think that drivers should never be encouraged or allowed to get away with driving into another driver without consequence.
Fernando defending brilliant against Russell and Russell managed to crash out behind him, 20 sec. Charles and Stroll LITERALLY crash into someone else on purpose, nothing... What the fuck FIA
"Getting off the racing line" - for what? There wasn't anyone right behind him to let by after "aborting" - That is complete bullshit. Totally intentional and a bit disappointing to see man.
@@paperplane-db8qf get your head outta your ass and you might have the memory span of something more than a goldfish. I know Canada was SUCH a long time ago to forget, right?...
@@paperplane-db8qf Gotta get your head outta your ass to have a memory span longer than a goldfish. I know Canada was such a long time ago though, right?
@paperplane-db8qf you know it's ironic when you're the one going around crying about it Lol. I wish I could live life as blissfully stupid and ignorant as some you people on the internet... Life would be so much easier being dumb 😔
as per most infractions of unsportmanlike behaviour, it should be a penalty point with a reprimand that states if such action happens again in the next 20 races you get a 5 place penalty Thus penalty point is a showing that it is unacceptable, the reprimand shows leniancy for a first offence, and then the probation makes sure it is understood that it is not to be done again
So in response to “explain why you did that?” Charles said both “He upset me” & “I was just trying to get offline” & the FIA bought it. Like: why mention being upset if it wasn’t a deliberate attempt to show that to the other driver (not by hitting him, but by cutting him up). A bit weasley from Charles & weak from the FIA. I think we all expect better.
Guys the Vettel/Hamilton Baku incident was dealt with very hard on vettel for weeks and I dont see anything different about these come togethers. Both of them lost their cool during Fp3 and should be held accountable the same way Vettel was. Simple and easy decision for me. Love the show, Cheers.
Leclerc fan - penalty for sure. People are impeded all the time, doesn't call for road rage. God knows what mood he was in, maybe pissed that Lando is turning into the #1 contender ?
The whole blocking thing drives me up the wall. Every single driver has blocked every single other driver. they’ll get on the radio and curse another driver out, and then proceed to block somebody 1 lap later. F1 loves it too, half of their practice coverage is just this carousel of blocking and cursing. Like obviously it is not humanly possible to never block someone. They all do it. Why are they so hypocritical about it. Either the FIA changes the rules, or you accept that this is how the sport works and relax.
They let Charlie off because they didn't want him out of contention in the race, the let Lance of because they had to be consistent with Charlie. Been an F1 fan since the 80s, and this is the only consistency I've seen in F1
FIA have shot themselves in the leg by only giving a reprimand to leclerc and stroll. Because of they got away with intentionally damaging other teams' cars, then the other drivers will be like, well if they got away with this then we will as well. Absolute joke with this reprimand thing. Using your car as weapon should be a slam dunk penalty, be it practice or any other session.
this is a huge problem in motogp too, where 1) only certain riders are getting penalised, 2) clear racing incidents are getting harsh penalties, 3) obvious crap moves are only getting "investigated" and then dropped, and 4) like you guys said, some maneuvers arent getting penalised enough which then deems the move okay in the future. some of the riders have been very vocal about apparent the FIM steward bias. just saying all this because i find it interesting that the two series which are the pinnacle of motorsport are having these same issues
What's interesting is usually the comments are divided across various loyalties. People all seem to universally agree that no penalties is ridiculous for this.
8:18 - Not as bad? It was intentional, a temper tantrum: "he wanted to express his displeasure to the other driver by pulling over on him at the exit."
I don't think it should be a penalty for the race, but they should have to be forced to miss time in the next practice session. (Like having to sit out of 15 mins of practice)
Finally, we are starting to see the true Leclerc. It was LEC vs VER until VER vs NOR became a thing. Say what you like. This began with his attitude to his teammates when cameras are off. Couple of friends from when I worked reporting have confirmed this to me. I am waiting to see what will happen next year.
I guess the fia hands out penalties based on how it effects the outcome of the race. So that they dont give a disadvantage to ferarri who are close ish to redbull in constructors.
They can drive to within millimetres of the track limits, brushing the sponsors off a barrier without damaging the car, but apparently Matt's favourite driver forgot that McLaren have a front wing 🤷. Oopsie.
I really wanna know, if they damaged the other drivers’ cars, would they have been penalised? If they would have been penalised, it’s bs as you’re punishing the outcome not the incident or action itself If they wouldn’t have been penalised, it’s bs as you’re deliberately damaging other cars and getting away without any punishment
i think it was a slam dunk penalty for leclerc and stroll. vettel got nabbed for "dangerous driving" doing this to lewis in a race under safety car (which arguably negates any "dangerous" aspect). The fact it's a practice session also makes it worthy of a penalty because chill the fuck out lads.
It was only a few years ago the fia was obsessing over f1 drivers being role models for drivers in lower formulas and the youth in general. This fits that mold and should have been a penalty just based on how easily avoidable it is.
No different than Miami when Sainz felt bitter over Piastri overtaking him with "hard driving" and when Piastri wasn't ordered to give the position back, Sainz proceeded to knock him, damn near, out of the race.. No penalties there either. FIA really needs to step it up.
I remember Saint Louise of Shamilton and Nicola Rosberg constantly running each other off the track as well as using their cars as weapons and not a word was said.
Matt not defending Leclerc here is fair play. It shou have been penalized: as you said, this is about safety; it doesn’t matter that it’s a practice session.
Stroll’s contact on Hamilton reminds me of when he veered into Latifi or Vettel. I’m no fan of Hamilton but that was some major BS (especially when Hamilton waved his hand to apologize) and shows a pattern of lacking car control by Stroll. Leclerc also deserves a penalty for his antics. Both incidents show a lack of maturity by both drivers.
If "misjudgement" is a way to get by in an incident that was caused by a deliberate move, then no penalties should be applied ever. Every incident is a misjudgement: one misjudged his speed, the other one - his position, the third one - the track conditions. Mechanic misjudged the tire fitting position so the wheel got loose, other mechanic has released the car into the side of another car, because he misjudged. The engineer misjudged the stiffness of the wing material so it became too flexible, the set up team misjudged the height of the car so it drove too low, somebody misjudged the amount of fuel that is required for a race so none was left for the analysis, same way other team misjudged the weight of the car after the fuel has been burned... And they all got upset...
Can't believe they weren't penalties, they have basically given everyone a free run to do it now, and if they give out penalties to others they will be considered inconsistent
In most other sports, acting aggresively towards another player, means unsportive behaviour, and means immediate disqualification. (Red card) this should be treated as such, dangerous or not, it is aggresion, that should not be allowed in sports.
"The Lady Byng Memorial Trophy, formerly known as the Lady Byng Trophy, is presented each year to the National Hockey League (NHL) "player adjudged to have exhibited the best type of Sportsmanship, and Gentlemanly Conduct, combined with a high standard of Playing Ability.""
at the minimum 3 place grid penalty. Retaliation is the worst thing you can do on a racing track. Its why Vettel got a 10-second stop-and-go penalty for the Baku.
Both should be penalties. You veering towards another driver in retaliation should be a penalty. Penalties for blocking exist for a reason. We dont need driver vigilantes.
In F1 I feel that this will be handled in drivers briefings, and that is where the "Let's stop being idiots or else ..." messaging will be first communicated when things start to head off beam
Both scenarios should have been penalties as well as Yuki's rawrr at Daniel earlier in the year. Stewards are just super inconsistent and undermines the whole system
I wonder if they are forced into only giving reprimands because there's nothing in the rulebook. Precedence is always deferred to. I think they need to write a new rule stating that if you deliberately cause a collision, even in practice, there will be consequences. They keep going on about how the F1 drivers are told models for yohnger/junior drivers. Maybe they need to be made to do some form of community service with the younger/junior drivers on their days off.
Stroll literally told the stewards he 'pulled over at the exit to express his displeasure', and yet nothing, just a reprimand which means sod-all these days.
Yep. Any driver who drives into a car on purpose needs a lifetime ban, in my opinion. When Formula 1 has progressed this much over the years with safety. For example red flagging a race over a tiny piece of bodywork laying on the track. To let a driver off with a caution for driving into another car is beyond me.
The stewards went into this 100% against the idea of issuing a penalty that might impact a team or driver that is helping keep the competition tight. With that mindset, they could not penalize Lando or Charles, and so to justify that, they couldn't penalise Stroll or Hamilton either... Now any driver committing that same level of 'driving'will be able to point at this precedent and argue against any penalty. Poor form from all four of the drivers - some more than others of course. But really crap decision from the stewards.
Yes. And Charles has done it before. But being Charles, he get away with it. And then they went and handed out a penalty to K-mag, for nothing. Lando did the same, and didn't get a penalty.They admitted that there were no advantage. I think that they have different rolls for different drivers.
I disagree about the Lance stroll one, he obviously runs into Hamilton on purpose, and Hamilton had a new floor on that they didn't have a replacement for, so that could have destroyed Hamilton's weekend as well. Leclerc's is worse obviously, but Stroll should get a 3 grid penalty and Leclerc should get a 5 grid penalty.
You’re not taking into account that blocking another driver is also an extremely dangerous manoeuvre, so a penalty for a “reaction” would have opened the race direction to a request for penalty for Hamilton and Norris, which would have led to four drivers penalised ( …including the pole sitter btw…). Race direction simply decided for a less impactful option.
blocking drivers if it was intentional then its dangerous but most of them dont do it intentionally and if they do it in practice there wont be any action but will be given penalty if they did it in qualifying
“And that upset him” might be one of the funniest things said in an FIA document
"Pinnacle of motorsports"
That’s the way it text no?
Bro. 😂😂😂
@@95mushroom pineapple of motorsports
"#######" LeClerc said calmly.
What is funny is that Stroll even admitted to the stewards the he wanted to teach Hamilton a lesson - and still it was considered not dangerous, just erratic...
Stroll has done so much against other drivers he needs to figure out how to be .5 quicker!!
He needs to go.
Lawrence probably paid them off
Where the hell did he said that? Lol
@@Yetabronz it's in the fia report: "The driver of Car 18 stated that he got impeded by Car 44 into Turn 5 and that upset
him.
He admitted that he wanted to express his displeasure to the other driver by
pulling over on him at the exit. Both cars made slight contact which was incidental.
However, the Stewards consider the move made by Car 18, whilst not being
dangerous, to be erratic and therefore issue a driving reprimand in line with
precedents."
Clear penalties. FIA is just stupid as we all know for ages.
Not penalising this stuff will lead to it becoming normalised. Stupid from the fia.
The thing that is quite insane with it is that Lando got a reprimand in Monaco for moving towards George after being impeded. So moving towards a driver is the same as hitting them.
@@henrrryyyyExactly. Flipping someone off is the same as shoulder barging them according to these stewards who don't want to upset the precious millionaires in their billion dollar cars.
agree
Just as not penalizing Senna, then Schumacher and later, Verstappen has 'normalized' bad behaviour.
It's time to clamp down. Stroll and LeClerc should be parked for one race at minimum, as should anyone else that behaves irrationally and drives their car into another.
Much much better of a format for videos on this channel, and more digestible edits. Thank you for listening to your audience lads
This seems so out of character for Charles, but agree he deserved a stronger penalty. Kudos to Matt for showing you can be a die hard fan and still call out bad behavior.
I think Charles is slowly getting more assertive, seen in this incident and on the radio the other race saying "that is not whay I am asking, tell me xxx", I support that but not to the extent of putting lives in danger.
Does it really? Charles was a very aggressive driver when he went wheel to wheel with Vettel, causing multiple crashes.
Just imagine the shenanigans Charles will get into with Hamilton if they’re both given a championship-contending car.
Prepare for the biggest cry baby season ever for Hamilton is that’s the case 👍🍻
What car?
It'll be Max v Perez all over again
Nothing like MADMAX n Danny Ric!!! I guess you MADMAX lovers forget ALL HIS B.S.!!
@@southerncomfort1339nobody said Max wasn’t a maniac, people just have seen Hamilton be a cry baby. He’s the princess of England
So Alonso runs slightly wide in active racing when side by side with Sainz in China, causing contact and damage, and gets 3 penalty points, whereas Leclerc deliberately drives into Lando when they are not racing and it's just a reprimand?
Your comment is helping the FIA case. Contact under racing conditions and on cool down laps during practice are not on the same level
@@Dyils I know. I'm just pointing out that the 2 are not comparable. You can't expect the same penalty for both incidents. Should Stroll and leclerc be penalised? Of course yes.
@@asareireneyou've got it mixed up; hitting someone like this in practice is 10x worse; hitting someone in a race is often excusable/unavoidable
@@BeBe-vh4ry There is a reason we have penalties for avoidable contact. Your comment doesn't make sense
Because they didn’t give Stroll a penalty, I think they were reluctant to give Charles a penalty. I think both should have received a penalty.
Both should be race ban
Daddy Stroll paid off the FIA, daddy Leclerc doesn't have that kind of money 😅
@@gasgaslex_photos bwahahahahahaha such a delsusional take
Daddy Leclerc is monegasque. His family literally had to PROVE they have that kind of money ´to the prince.
Acting like Charles hasnt grown up with the exact same priviledges is absolutely hilarious.
@@gasgaslex_photos Kind of a shitty thing to say considering Leclerc's father is dead.
@@LiftandCoa seek mental help buddy
Imagine if ocon or max did that, they'd be in huge trouble. Charles got away with it because he's too popular, Stroll got away with it because his dad owns a team. I'd give them at least a 3 grid place penalty to send a clear message to the drivers that it's not acceptable to intentionally drive into another car.
It is the definition of dangerous driving
How did the FIA decide it wasn’t dangerous? They literally called what Leclerc did ‘dangerous driving’ when Vettel did it to Hamilton at Baku
Because Leclerc said he was moving out of the racing line and his intent wasn’t to hit Lando.
@@paperplane-db8qfneither was vettels but they had to protect their brit boy
@@paperplane-db8qf If you're trying to force somebody wide and end up hitting them, it's 100% on you regardless of what your intentions were.
@@oliveweary you should see another eye doctor mate.
@@lukew6725 so basically Max and Lewis should be penalized for almost all the overtakes they’ve made.
Max intentionally hit Leclerc in Austria 2019 when he rammed him off the track but that was apparently all ok.
FIA: "We encourage unsportsman like behaviour during practice"
Danica patrick: “I know I told them on air”
Please LeJerk hit Lando on purpose!
Leclerc 100% meant to hit Lando. He called him a "F*cker" If this was iracing you would get a ban.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
100%! He looked like he was going to smash him real hard out of the game, at whatever the cost to himself. Look at the speed that he takes off at after! It's like he realizes shit what am I doing hahaha
I’d understand this about Stroll, but Leclerc “misjudging” where his car was is absolute BS. He’s able to get Pole positions in Monaco and Baku, of course he knows exactly where his car is.
"not dangerous" yet Lando's car had front wing damage..
-100k for McLaren as well for the front wing which is hilarious in the budget cap era, all LEC got is a slap on the wrist again...
Surely this opens up the ability to deliberately damage someone's car at the end of FP3, to potentially effect their qualifying and cost cap. And now a precedent has been set that it's not punishable?
Plus, this is the exact kind of thing that licence penalty points should be for. Deliberate unsafe actions
Charles was momentarily confused, believing he was driving in NASCAR. Stroll is simply- and irreparably- confused.
I'm not sure that Lance has sufficient object permanence to remember that Hamilton existed after he overtook him
Both idiots
@@Septimus_ii I think it’s hilarious how people completely ignore leclercs behaviour whilst lambasting the same behaviour from stroll.
@@murphyebass7837 I think it’s because this is the first time Charles has done something like this but lance has been doing this and worse for years.
@@AvroRacing nah people love to hate on Lance. Don’t get me wrong he makes mistakes but so do they all.
I'm a Ferrari fan and I think LEC deserved at least a penalty if not a race ban. I'm thinking of it like a footballer violently lashing out a another player when things don't go his way, that would be a red card and at least a one match ban.
That one guy asking for V12's 😅
Unreal how Alonso can pick up 3 points for nothing, but *intentionally* striking another car because you're throwing a tantrum is a reprimand. I don't care if it's practice, qualifying, or a race--no one should be driving like this.
This comment!!!
That FiA report for Charles and Lando is absurd; weaving across the road to show your distress to the other driver is dangerous driving, not erratic driving.
Matt 'disappointed' in Charles...harsh words indeed from one of his biggest fan boys 😂
Leclerc destroyed Lando's front wing, I don't know how that's not dangerous. I love Charles, but wtf?
Good to see the p1 extra channel actually deliver extra content!
As a professional driver I wonder if I’d be reprimanded for veering my HGV into other road users when they’re blocking me 😂
I feel like the same judgement made for Lewis walking across the live track should have been given here.
“…in view of his role model status, the FIA is concerned about the impression his actions may have created on younger drivers.”
I think that drivers should never be encouraged or allowed to get away with driving into another driver without consequence.
the inconsistencies are abhorrent, seriously
Fernando defending brilliant against Russell and Russell managed to crash out behind him, 20 sec. Charles and Stroll LITERALLY crash into someone else on purpose, nothing... What the fuck FIA
Fernando fans all talk about him like he's Professor X, and then pretend he didn't try to cause Russell to crash.
"Getting off the racing line" - for what? There wasn't anyone right behind him to let by after "aborting" - That is complete bullshit. Totally intentional and a bit disappointing to see man.
Nah Charles just doesn’t dawdle around the racing line and ruin other drivers laps like Sir Norris.
@@paperplane-db8qf get your head outta your ass and you might have the memory span of something more than a goldfish. I know Canada was SUCH a long time ago to forget, right?...
@@paperplane-db8qf Gotta get your head outta your ass to have a memory span longer than a goldfish. I know Canada was such a long time ago though, right?
@@kirbizle you mean on a wet-dry track on slick tyres?
And Leclerc didn’t hold up anyone for an entire sector like Norris.
Keep crying about it
@paperplane-db8qf you know it's ironic when you're the one going around crying about it Lol. I wish I could live life as blissfully stupid and ignorant as some you people on the internet... Life would be so much easier being dumb 😔
as per most infractions of unsportmanlike behaviour, it should be a penalty point with a reprimand that states if such action happens again in the next 20 races you get a 5 place penalty
Thus penalty point is a showing that it is unacceptable, the reprimand shows leniancy for a first offence, and then the probation makes sure it is understood that it is not to be done again
So in response to “explain why you did that?” Charles said both
“He upset me” &
“I was just trying to get offline”
& the FIA bought it.
Like: why mention being upset if it wasn’t a deliberate attempt to show that to the other driver (not by hitting him, but by cutting him up).
A bit weasley from Charles & weak from the FIA. I think we all expect better.
Guys the Vettel/Hamilton Baku incident was dealt with very hard on vettel for weeks and I dont see anything different about these come togethers. Both of them lost their cool during Fp3 and should be held accountable the same way Vettel was. Simple and easy decision for me. Love the show, Cheers.
Leclerc fan - penalty for sure. People are impeded all the time, doesn't call for road rage. God knows what mood he was in, maybe pissed that Lando is turning into the #1 contender ?
The whole blocking thing drives me up the wall. Every single driver has blocked every single other driver.
they’ll get on the radio and curse another driver out, and then proceed to block somebody 1 lap later.
F1 loves it too, half of their practice coverage is just this carousel of blocking and cursing.
Like obviously it is not humanly possible to never block someone. They all do it. Why are they so hypocritical about it. Either the FIA changes the rules, or you accept that this is how the sport works and relax.
They let Charlie off because they didn't want him out of contention in the race, the let Lance of because they had to be consistent with Charlie.
Been an F1 fan since the 80s, and this is the only consistency I've seen in F1
FIA have shot themselves in the leg by only giving a reprimand to leclerc and stroll. Because of they got away with intentionally damaging other teams' cars, then the other drivers will be like, well if they got away with this then we will as well. Absolute joke with this reprimand thing. Using your car as weapon should be a slam dunk penalty, be it practice or any other session.
Both should've been penalized. Set a precedent. The FIA clearly need more examples to guide themselves.
mind boggling
guys love the content even better been a closer season this year see you on the next upload thnks guys
Normally I'm not a fan of penalties but driving in to someone on purpose is definitely worth one. I think both drivers should have gotten a penalty.
Is F1 becoming NASCAR? That is shocking and should be stamped out straight away
With all those US ©¤￦©Гap circuits and Liberty, yes it is.
this is a huge problem in motogp too, where 1) only certain riders are getting penalised, 2) clear racing incidents are getting harsh penalties, 3) obvious crap moves are only getting "investigated" and then dropped, and 4) like you guys said, some maneuvers arent getting penalised enough which then deems the move okay in the future. some of the riders have been very vocal about apparent the FIM steward bias. just saying all this because i find it interesting that the two series which are the pinnacle of motorsport are having these same issues
I love the editing when you were describing the inchidents.
There is No rational explanation as to why the FIA wouldn't penalize both Leclerc and Stroll.
What's interesting is usually the comments are divided across various loyalties. People all seem to universally agree that no penalties is ridiculous for this.
unlike some fan girlies on twitter of s certain driver
Super weird that Leclerc lost his nerves like that. I did not expect that.
On the other hand it's a positive as McLaren's recent performance seems to live in Leclerc's head
8:18 - Not as bad? It was intentional, a temper tantrum: "he wanted to express his displeasure to the other driver by pulling over on him at the exit."
I don't think it should be a penalty for the race, but they should have to be forced to miss time in the next practice session.
(Like having to sit out of 15 mins of practice)
8:43 Bring Back The V12's! ...Hell YES.
Finally, we are starting to see the true Leclerc.
It was LEC vs VER until VER vs NOR became a thing.
Say what you like. This began with his attitude to his teammates when cameras are off. Couple of friends from when I worked reporting have confirmed this to me.
I am waiting to see what will happen next year.
Both of them learned from their legendary ex-teammate's Baku antics 😂
Charles clearly looking in his mirrors before impact 😮
The editing is top notch
I guess the fia hands out penalties based on how it effects the outcome of the race. So that they dont give a disadvantage to ferarri who are close ish to redbull in constructors.
They misjudged it? They’re meant to be the best in the world.
They can drive to within millimetres of the track limits, brushing the sponsors off a barrier without damaging the car, but apparently Matt's favourite driver forgot that McLaren have a front wing 🤷. Oopsie.
Emphasis on meant to be.
It wasn’t misjudged. It was so obviously intentional that I still don’t undertake they got away without a penalty. Especially Charles
I really wanna know, if they damaged the other drivers’ cars, would they have been penalised?
If they would have been penalised, it’s bs as you’re punishing the outcome not the incident or action itself
If they wouldn’t have been penalised, it’s bs as you’re deliberately damaging other cars and getting away without any punishment
Lando had wing damage so definitely needed a penalty because of the monetary cost to mclaren!
Hamilton apologising whilst stroll is turning into him is hilarious
Allen Iverson voice
"Were talking bout practice"
i think it was a slam dunk penalty for leclerc and stroll. vettel got nabbed for "dangerous driving" doing this to lewis in a race under safety car (which arguably negates any "dangerous" aspect). The fact it's a practice session also makes it worthy of a penalty because chill the fuck out lads.
Exactly! The "it's just free practice" argument is used the wrong way around. No reason at all to throw your ego around during fp3...
No one else has said it yet, so I'm contractually obligated to: leclerc got off due to Ferrari international assistance
Same vibes as Kanye saying "It was a Jewish Doctor". Except this one I believe.
The FIA loves Charles. They’d never give him a penalty for something like that.
Facts
Leclerc not even have to use seatbelts when driving with F1 car, 🦊
wasnt there a similar incident between schumi and hamilton at barcelona as well?
It was only a few years ago the fia was obsessing over f1 drivers being role models for drivers in lower formulas and the youth in general. This fits that mold and should have been a penalty just based on how easily avoidable it is.
No different than Miami when Sainz felt bitter over Piastri overtaking him with "hard driving" and when Piastri wasn't ordered to give the position back, Sainz proceeded to knock him, damn near, out of the race.. No penalties there either. FIA really needs to step it up.
Why not upload this on the main channel?
I remember Saint Louise of Shamilton and Nicola Rosberg constantly running each other off the track as well as using their cars as weapons and not a word was said.
FIA: We are in bed with Liberty Media and Liberty loves drama, nothing to see here.
Not a fake penalty, road rage -> race ban for this race. No discussion.
Matt not defending Leclerc here is fair play. It shou have been penalized: as you said, this is about safety; it doesn’t matter that it’s a practice session.
lando's car rear lights was blinking on that incident means that he's slowing down that's what leclerc must be aware of...
Stroll’s contact on Hamilton reminds me of when he veered into Latifi or Vettel. I’m no fan of Hamilton but that was some major BS (especially when Hamilton waved his hand to apologize) and shows a pattern of lacking car control by Stroll. Leclerc also deserves a penalty for his antics. Both incidents show a lack of maturity by both drivers.
nope leclerc was a misunderstanding if you blame charles you should watch onboards on f1 tv clearly shows lando also made a mistake there
Im a Leclerc fan and i dont want him a Penalty
Why is there a second channel?
Remind me what happened to Tsunoda when he did this to Ricciardo at the end of that one race early in the season?
If "misjudgement" is a way to get by in an incident that was caused by a deliberate move, then no penalties should be applied ever. Every incident is a misjudgement: one misjudged his speed, the other one - his position, the third one - the track conditions. Mechanic misjudged the tire fitting position so the wheel got loose, other mechanic has released the car into the side of another car, because he misjudged. The engineer misjudged the stiffness of the wing material so it became too flexible, the set up team misjudged the height of the car so it drove too low, somebody misjudged the amount of fuel that is required for a race so none was left for the analysis, same way other team misjudged the weight of the car after the fuel has been burned... And they all got upset...
Can't believe they weren't penalties, they have basically given everyone a free run to do it now, and if they give out penalties to others they will be considered inconsistent
Yeah that's called reckless driving in the states and is a hefty ticket, this should be a grid penalty. I agree on the 3-5 place drop as well.
In most other sports, acting aggresively towards another player, means unsportive behaviour, and means immediate disqualification. (Red card) this should be treated as such, dangerous or not, it is aggresion, that should not be allowed in sports.
There's no place in the sport for these kind of actions.
Both required penalties and neither got them, this is the FIA's notion of consistency. Well done you Mutts.
Unwritten Rule No. 1: If you’re going to wreck somebody, don’t wreck yourself in the process.
"The Lady Byng Memorial Trophy, formerly known as the Lady Byng Trophy, is presented each year to the National Hockey League (NHL) "player adjudged to have exhibited the best type of Sportsmanship, and Gentlemanly Conduct, combined with a high standard of Playing Ability.""
at the minimum 3 place grid penalty. Retaliation is the worst thing you can do on a racing track. Its why Vettel got a 10-second stop-and-go penalty for the Baku.
Both should be penalties. You veering towards another driver in retaliation should be a penalty. Penalties for blocking exist for a reason. We dont need driver vigilantes.
In F1 I feel that this will be handled in drivers briefings, and that is where the "Let's stop being idiots or else ..." messaging will be first communicated when things start to head off beam
FIA sending the message this is ok.
They both seem worse than Sainz/Piastri and Alonso/Sainz or Alonso/Russel from earlier this year, and all of those got penalties…
That not being dangerous and Alonso getting a DT in australia just blows my mind
Both scenarios should have been penalties as well as Yuki's rawrr at Daniel earlier in the year. Stewards are just super inconsistent and undermines the whole system
I wonder if they are forced into only giving reprimands because there's nothing in the rulebook. Precedence is always deferred to. I think they need to write a new rule stating that if you deliberately cause a collision, even in practice, there will be consequences.
They keep going on about how the F1 drivers are told models for yohnger/junior drivers. Maybe they need to be made to do some form of community service with the younger/junior drivers on their days off.
I wonder what would have happened if either incident involved Magnussen?
Very disappointed in Charles, he’s lost some karma with that one.
Stroll literally told the stewards he 'pulled over at the exit to express his displeasure', and yet nothing, just a reprimand which means sod-all these days.
Yep. Any driver who drives into a car on purpose needs a lifetime ban, in my opinion. When Formula 1 has progressed this much over the years with safety. For example red flagging a race over a tiny piece of bodywork laying on the track. To let a driver off with a caution for driving into another car is beyond me.
The stewards went into this 100% against the idea of issuing a penalty that might impact a team or driver that is helping keep the competition tight. With that mindset, they could not penalize Lando or Charles, and so to justify that, they couldn't penalise Stroll or Hamilton either...
Now any driver committing that same level of 'driving'will be able to point at this precedent and argue against any penalty.
Poor form from all four of the drivers - some more than others of course. But really crap decision from the stewards.
Yes. And Charles has done it before. But being Charles, he get away with it. And then they went and handed out a penalty to K-mag, for nothing. Lando did the same, and didn't get a penalty.They admitted that there were no advantage. I think that they have different rolls for different drivers.
I disagree about the Lance stroll one, he obviously runs into Hamilton on purpose, and Hamilton had a new floor on that they didn't have a replacement for, so that could have destroyed Hamilton's weekend as well. Leclerc's is worse obviously, but Stroll should get a 3 grid penalty and Leclerc should get a 5 grid penalty.
Tommy reminds me of Max Fosh with all the silly talk🎉
How is that stroll? That’s Norris in the thumbnail?
Allen Iverson: “We’re talking about practice” 😂
You’re not taking into account that blocking another driver is also an extremely dangerous manoeuvre, so a penalty for a “reaction” would have opened the race direction to a request for penalty for Hamilton and Norris, which would have led to four drivers penalised ( …including the pole sitter btw…). Race direction simply decided for a less impactful option.
blocking drivers if it was intentional then its dangerous but most of them dont do it intentionally and if they do it in practice there wont be any action but will be given penalty if they did it in qualifying
so "erratic" with contact got only reprimand. "Potentially dangerous" with no contact is 20 seconds penalty. got it