In short, MARSCOC Raiders are under SOCOM, Force Recon is under big USMC command. When they formed MARSOC they pulled a bunch of Recon guys to do it, so initially their personnel had been both. MARSCO has a separate pipeline now. Force Recon are the aptly titled recon unit of the Marines meant to scout ahead, and MARSOC are basically the Marines' Green Berets with a big focus on foreign internal defence (training trainers and local forces to fight and form an opposition).
MARSOC still don't know what the fuck they are. Recon all the way, that's the heart of the Marine Corps. Marines' Marines. MARSOC are just rank and file in SOCOM.
@@kevinh9110 , actually as a former USMC = mos 03/11 and 2'ndery = mos 03/21 the grunts are the heart and soul of the machine ( the corps) couse that's were the recon pipeline begins but i dig your point semper fi bro
Doesn’t matter who has adcon or opcon, who has more funding. What sets recon marines apart is their aquatic standards and how they already have to be fish to get to the try out point. You need to have water survival beginner, intermediate, and advanced qualification that has its own events. Then you show up for the recon screener and one event is the aquatics portion with its own events (extensive water treading, long distance breaststroke in utilities for short time, underwater traveling with one breath, retrieving and towing rifle, etc.) then after recon there’s the SOCOM screener which is a pre-dive requirement for dive school. Recon is on its own level because they are beyond competent in the water. When it comes to water, all units besides recon, seals, and marsoc make a run for it
I went through Airborne School with a bunch of Force Recon, ANGLICO, and one FAST Team Marine. Only the Marines best show up and graduate at Airborne School.
FAST aren't operators. I know an Marine Barracks 8th &I Marine that went to jump school. Grunts get FAST and security force guys after they do their two years. Then those grunts have to train them up to be on their level of abilities. It's frustrating for the Marines that are in those units. They should just keep them in security forces, especially FAST. It would be better on them and the Victor units that get them. They just need to lower security force contracts and make it a four year job detail instead of two. They could could institute infantry training back into their schedules. Calling in support, patroling, raids, movement, reconnaissance, Helo, Track, and Boat assults, proper tactics on establishing a beach head. Then, all the SOC shit is already covered in security forces school they seemed alright with coms. This is a Marine basic trained infantryman knowledge. Fire support is a little advanced but not a whole lot, it's definitely where an NCO should be coming in, also they might want to go over patroling manual a few times. At least 5 paragraph orders. This would make life better for them the Victor unit Marines and for the over all mission of the Marine Corps. They should test them when they get to a Victor unit to see if they are knowledgeable enough to be in a leadership position. Nothing more dangerous than a under trained leader who thinks he knows everything.
The Marines always resisted joining SOCOM because they never wanted to send there best to work for an Army or Navy command. He glossed over Marine Detachment One which originally raped Force Recon of all it's experienced operators and sent them over to SOCOM. What SOCOM really liked about Det One is that it came with all the support element like intel. Then came MARSOC/Raiders.
There is no big difference other than force is under the usmc while marsoc is under JSOC i served in both units in my 20s and loved/hated every minute of it 😊
that's no lie GI , but it's a bit more complicated than that during the war on terror the us army and the us navy started to give baby bush and Chaney a hard time then Chaney give mad $$$$ to the corps and we finally broke free from the stone age and started taking names and widow making again givers of sudden death
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't MARSOC, a Marine special ops unit, recruit out of Marine Recon? It would make sense. Regards, Denis Berte' USMC (Nam 70-71), SF (84-95).
@@denisberte778 There is no specific MOS although infantry obviously holds an edge but Marines of any MOS may apply just as they can with Recon and EOD.
I believe the first batch was pulled from Forecon but they have their own pipeline now. You don't need to have been in Recon to be in MARSOC anymore as far as I am aware. I just know this from a general interest, civilian.
Based on the conversations ive had with the guys that were around at 1st Force when the stood up MSOB was that the split wasnt based on who was better, it was based on alphabetical order. At the time, MARSOC was new and the deployments for Recon were solid combat deployments at the time. Alot of guys initially didnt want to go over to marsoc because they didnt know how things were going to go. Also not a huge difference right jow between Force and Bn Reconnaissance as both get the same training.
They are always doing something. I was attached to a JSOC unit in my last deployment as a 68 delta. Had the honor of taking care of one who suffered a pretty nasty compound fracture. Not exactly sure what they were doing out where we were but, they operate more than people think from what I saw.
@giannileegalvan2669 they'd give the Marine Corps a shot in the arm too! The one type of unit Marines secretly want to be in but don't get to be is a direct action focused unit like the Rangers. Recon and Snipers are cool but some people get tired of sneaking around. Raiders are cool but some people don't want to PSO ranges for foreign nationals on JCETs. But pure direct action, with a selection process to weed out lower performers and people that don't want to be there back to line battalions? Yes please. Make a reserve component too.
@@cm-pr2ys The Paramarine Regiment would solve the Corps’s problem of retention. The Recondo community is shrinking with its Marines leaving for Army SOCOM and don’t bother with Marine Raiders since their pipeline is too strenuous for them who already went through BRC and SERE. It would serve as a middle ground and with MARSOC not having a Tier One unit, they could achieve it within the Paramarine Regiment by having a Reconnaissance Company, similar to that in the Army’s 75th Rangers, consisting of Marines who have graduated from both the Paramarine Indoctrination Program and the Basic Reconnaissance Course. As for a reserve component, MARSOC would have to add a 4th Marine Raider Battalion and a 4th Paramarine Battalion.
why only para trained unit during WW-2' that didn't make any combat jumps in the War used as lite grunts and amphibious assault troops and made all of the island hopping campaigns but no combat jumps
@ I mean you literally said you could’ve been in either unit then proceeded to say what stopped you was physical and mental weakness….sorry to cut it to you but you didn’t hack it and thats ok 💯🇺🇸
You can say all you want about rangers, delta, seals, but you dont hear shit about marsoc because we are the real secret squirrels.. we aint no hollywood bums😂
as a former 03/21 from 2'd force recon co 1' the things about amphibious reconnaissance was that we had wings and the scuba bubble but other than that we just looked like grunts with a bit of attitude , we're the new mar socs have their new chest insignia and recon just kept their EGA
@@nungbear1398That’s navy. It goes by Devgru or seal team 6. But a Marine raider can go to Delta Force assessment and selection, since delta pulls from different branches not just Army. A force recon marine can get invited, but it would be hard on the Recon marine, since he comes from a tier 3 unit, which means he get’s less funding, and not the best training. Sorry if my grammar’s bad.
@@luissandoval6332I mean you still have to go Army by going to Delta you get pulled from the Marine Corps a go to the Army to officially be in the unit. I cite Kevin Holland was Devgru operator left before 9/11 tried to get back into DEVGRU but was told he needed to do deployment in the white side seals so he opted to go Delta all he had to was to pass the selection course and he will be in the unit but the condition was he joined the army by doing so and so that how it is. So they take very one but if you pass the course you just need to leave your service component and join the Army.
Bro.... navy seals are not even what hollywood potrays... lol id take GBs over them any day.... hell, id even take the 75th RR over them! Rangers will absolutely destroy an objective@@bpmakesithappen8395
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In short, MARSCOC Raiders are under SOCOM, Force Recon is under big USMC command. When they formed MARSOC they pulled a bunch of Recon guys to do it, so initially their personnel had been both. MARSCO has a separate pipeline now. Force Recon are the aptly titled recon unit of the Marines meant to scout ahead, and MARSOC are basically the Marines' Green Berets with a big focus on foreign internal defence (training trainers and local forces to fight and form an opposition).
SOCOM is evil!
w o w it's a good thing that you have Google
Force Recon vs Recon Battalion
MARSOC still don't know what the fuck they are. Recon all the way, that's the heart of the Marine Corps. Marines' Marines. MARSOC are just rank and file in SOCOM.
@@kevinh9110 , actually as a former USMC = mos 03/11 and 2'ndery
= mos 03/21 the grunts are the heart and soul of the machine ( the corps) couse that's were the recon pipeline begins but i dig your point semper fi bro
Doesn’t matter who has adcon or opcon, who has more funding. What sets recon marines apart is their aquatic standards and how they already have to be fish to get to the try out point. You need to have water survival beginner, intermediate, and advanced qualification that has its own events. Then you show up for the recon screener and one event is the aquatics portion with its own events (extensive water treading, long distance breaststroke in utilities for short time, underwater traveling with one breath, retrieving and towing rifle, etc.) then after recon there’s the SOCOM screener which is a pre-dive requirement for dive school. Recon is on its own level because they are beyond competent in the water. When it comes to water, all units besides recon, seals, and marsoc make a run for it
I went through Airborne School with a bunch of Force Recon, ANGLICO, and one FAST Team Marine. Only the Marines best show up and graduate at Airborne School.
FAST aren't operators. I know an Marine Barracks 8th &I Marine that went to jump school. Grunts get FAST and security force guys after they do their two years. Then those grunts have to train them up to be on their level of abilities. It's frustrating for the Marines that are in those units. They should just keep them in security forces, especially FAST. It would be better on them and the Victor units that get them. They just need to lower security force contracts and make it a four year job detail instead of two. They could could institute infantry training back into their schedules. Calling in support, patroling, raids, movement, reconnaissance, Helo, Track, and Boat assults, proper tactics on establishing a beach head. Then, all the SOC shit is already covered in security forces school they seemed alright with coms. This is a Marine basic trained infantryman knowledge. Fire support is a little advanced but not a whole lot, it's definitely where an NCO should be coming in, also they might want to go over patroling manual a few times. At least 5 paragraph orders. This would make life better for them the Victor unit Marines and for the over all mission of the Marine Corps. They should test them when they get to a Victor unit to see if they are knowledgeable enough to be in a leadership position. Nothing more dangerous than a under trained leader who thinks he knows everything.
The Marines always resisted joining SOCOM because they never wanted to send there best to work for an Army or Navy command. He glossed over Marine Detachment One which originally raped Force Recon of all it's experienced operators and sent them over to SOCOM. What SOCOM really liked about Det One is that it came with all the support element like intel. Then came MARSOC/Raiders.
My vote is for force recon. stealth and sneaky force.
We need both for different purposes.
Very cool info bro.
Appreciate it!
There is no big difference other than force is under the usmc while marsoc is under JSOC i served in both units in my 20s and loved/hated every minute of it 😊
you have to 03/11 to be an 03/21 been their done that = semper fi bro 81/85
What years.
marsoc aint under jsoc son
so it's possible to serve both force recon and marsoc 😮
Marsoc is under SOCOM. It's is not under JSOC.
JSOC is Tier 1.
I was an 0321 man for 8 years. Good times.
@@mixmix1487 u picked up for cag?
@@chi2251I left and went to the PMC realm.
USMC... Danger is Ours Business, Semper-Fi.
differences in titles and budget but damn near almost the same gig
The Marine Corp didn't have an option. Uncle Sam was going to cut funding if they didn't come under the Socom tent. The rest is history.
Yep, people don't know we never wanted to be part of SOCOM and fought it for decades until we had no choice.
that's no lie GI , but it's a bit more complicated than that during the war on terror the us army and the us navy started to give baby bush and Chaney a hard time then Chaney give mad $$$$ to the corps and we finally broke free from the stone age and started taking names and widow making again givers of sudden death
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't MARSOC, a Marine special ops unit, recruit out of Marine Recon? It would make sense. Regards, Denis Berte' USMC (Nam 70-71), SF (84-95).
@@denisberte778 There is no specific MOS although infantry obviously holds an edge but Marines of any MOS may apply just as they can with Recon and EOD.
I believe the first batch was pulled from Forecon but they have their own pipeline now. You don't need to have been in Recon to be in MARSOC anymore as far as I am aware. I just know this from a general interest, civilian.
@@tedryan9738 Sir, much obliged for the feedback. It certainly makes sense. Regards, Denis Berte' USMC
@@CAARaeed Sir, I appreciate your response, I guess they continually evolve. Also we're all part of the same team. Regards, Denis Berte' USMC
@@CAARaeed Yes, the first batch of MARSOC were pulled from Force Recon at Camp Lejeune.
Based on the conversations ive had with the guys that were around at 1st Force when the stood up MSOB was that the split wasnt based on who was better, it was based on alphabetical order. At the time, MARSOC was new and the deployments for Recon were solid combat deployments at the time. Alot of guys initially didnt want to go over to marsoc because they didnt know how things were going to go. Also not a huge difference right jow between Force and Bn Reconnaissance as both get the same training.
MARSOC: When being a Marine just ain't good enough.
One is under SOCOM, the other isn’t. 🤷🏻♂️
No need to debate both are USA's best murder weapon.
not murder = just a surgical force multiplier
They are all great!
What is the background music? Can anyone tell me?
When was the last time Force Recon saw action?
They are always doing something. I was attached to a JSOC unit in my last deployment as a 68 delta. Had the honor of taking care of one who suffered a pretty nasty compound fracture. Not exactly sure what they were doing out where we were but, they operate more than people think from what I saw.
You just don’t hear about it lol. VBSS is a large part of what I’ve personally seen them do. It just doesn’t get out out there like that.
Marsoc= Green Beret lite.
marines > army
yeah and we in the corps have never been keen on the brownies head gear ( berets )
🤔👍
I vote for the Paramarines.
Paramarines would give Army Rangers a run for their money for sure. Their motto should be like “To Hell We Jump!”
@giannileegalvan2669 they'd give the Marine Corps a shot in the arm too!
The one type of unit Marines secretly want to be in but don't get to be is a direct action focused unit like the Rangers. Recon and Snipers are cool but some people get tired of sneaking around. Raiders are cool but some people don't want to PSO ranges for foreign nationals on JCETs. But pure direct action, with a selection process to weed out lower performers and people that don't want to be there back to line battalions? Yes please. Make a reserve component too.
@@cm-pr2ys The Paramarine Regiment would solve the Corps’s problem of retention. The Recondo community is shrinking with its Marines leaving for Army SOCOM and don’t bother with Marine Raiders since their pipeline is too strenuous for them who already went through BRC and SERE. It would serve as a middle ground and with MARSOC not having a Tier One unit, they could achieve it within the Paramarine Regiment by having a Reconnaissance Company, similar to that in the Army’s 75th Rangers, consisting of Marines who have graduated from both the Paramarine Indoctrination Program and the Basic Reconnaissance Course. As for a reserve component, MARSOC would have to add a 4th Marine Raider Battalion and a 4th Paramarine Battalion.
@@giannileegalvan2669 Kill
why only para trained unit during WW-2' that didn't make any combat jumps in the War used as lite grunts and amphibious assault troops and made all of the island hopping campaigns but no combat jumps
Marine Raiders worked together with Tunisian SF
US MARINES Force Recon VS MARSOC Raiders
Force Recon has a cooler name and greater legacy. MARSOC is about to be gone.
Whats the track name?
Whatever...
I could have been in either unit. The only things that stopped me were physical and mental weakness.
then obviously you couldn’t of….
@YoungEli9 Aren't you the clever one!
@ I mean you literally said you could’ve been in either unit then proceeded to say what stopped you was physical and mental weakness….sorry to cut it to you but you didn’t hack it and thats ok 💯🇺🇸
Who get the better funding
the tier 1' SMU's from j'soc
That would be MARSOC Raiders, since the operate under SOCOM.
One unit sees combat, the other floats on a ship for 6 months and scratches their balls every day.
Recon guys can’t drown, MARSOC guys can, unless they were prior Recon.
MARSOC!
MARSOC Marine Raiders or FORECON Marines, They Are Both, First and Foremost, Marines. Semper Fidelis, Brothers. 🇺🇲🦅🌎⚓️🫡‼️
If you qualify and want it try it…
Sailor/ Soldier Water an Land
You can say all you want about rangers, delta, seals, but you dont hear shit about marsoc because we are the real secret squirrels.. we aint no hollywood bums😂
as a former 03/21 from 2'd force recon co 1' the things about amphibious reconnaissance was that we had wings and the scuba bubble but other than that we just looked like grunts with a bit of attitude , we're the new mar socs have their new chest insignia and recon just kept their EGA
usmc still needs a tier one unit!
Why?
Isn't that simply DEVGRU?
@@nungbear1398That’s navy. It goes by Devgru or seal team 6. But a Marine raider can go to Delta Force assessment and selection, since delta pulls from different branches not just Army. A force recon marine can get invited, but it would be hard on the Recon marine, since he comes from a tier 3 unit, which means he get’s less funding, and not the best training. Sorry if my grammar’s bad.
Nah. Reserve Raider Bn first.
@@luissandoval6332I mean you still have to go Army by going to Delta you get pulled from the Marine Corps a go to the Army to officially be in the unit. I cite Kevin Holland was Devgru operator left before 9/11 tried to get back into DEVGRU but was told he needed to do deployment in the white side seals so he opted to go Delta all he had to was to pass the selection course and he will be in the unit but the condition was he joined the army by doing so and so that how it is. So they take very one but if you pass the course you just need to leave your service component and join the Army.
Both Force Recon & MARSOC are SF, Force Recon are under the control of the Marines whereas MARSOC is under the control of SOCOM.
Only one is tier 1 tho :))
We don’t have a tier1 unit in the marines
the tier 1' operator's from j'soc = the army's D'boys , the Navy's 6' the spooks SOD's and the army's ISA's
@@sonnysantana5454 Rangers RRC and 24th STS
MARSOC are Wana be Navy SEALs😂
Mr. User, Maybe MARSOC has a different mission than the SEALS! Regards, Denis Berte' USMC (Nam 70-71).
Negative... I would say Green Berets but they are still DEADLY😅
Bro.... navy seals are not even what hollywood potrays... lol id take GBs over them any day.... hell, id even take the 75th RR over them! Rangers will absolutely destroy an objective@@bpmakesithappen8395
Not even close. Force Recon, Det 1, and MARSOC have seen underneath the SEAL skirt to know they want nothing of that organization, besides funding.
Say's the guy that's never served.🤡💩
Recon baby all the way!!
Pretty sure most marsoc come from FR...not exclusively but primarily
Have no integrity no honor