What's become clear is that Red Bull could never have both drivers under the same banner. One had to go, it had to be Carlos...why does this ring oddly familiar?
I think the lower pressure environment at Williams, where there is less ego will benefit Sainz and Albon. Sainz can focus on just racing and not how to overcome his 2nd driver strategy/ having to fight management for something like equal treatment and Albon races better without threats being made about his career. And I think the drivers are both smart enough to recognise this that they can keep the competition to the track and both be better off.
i.m.o next year might suck dude... But 2026 and later, I'm hoping they make a massive leap forward. I'm with you. Would like to see them fighting in the midfield and higher to prove a point.
You honestly believe Williams will have a car capable of winning the drivers championship in 26 or 27? You're either very optimistic or very delusional 😉
Important thing is that Carlos' father is alright after a crash at the Dakar Rally....unfortunate he has to withdraw due to too much damage with his Ford Raptor.....
The Red Bull Academy apparently has a "survival of the fittest" approach to racing. From the outside it looks like it is an extremely toxic and ruthless working environment.
Only the best stay . Simple as that . Either you can hadle it or you leave. As a driver you should be grateful you get this opportunity instead of complaining
Let's not forget that it was actually luck that got Sainz a Toro Rosso seat. Vettel's sudden and late move to Ferrari promoted Kvyat to Red Bull and freed up a seat for Sainz whose father had pushed hard to get him there. Also, let's not forget that Max was still a teenager in 2015 who until then had been incredibly tightly coached by Jos who was reluctant to let the team take over all the coaching of his son. As a result, Jos meddled with everything on Max's side of the garage, making sure Max never got the short stick. This stirred up strong reaction from Sainz Sr., who's known for being very political, unlike the more hotheaded, straightforward Jos. And voilá, there's your toxic Toro Rosso atmosphere. Another point not to forget, Max already knew at the start of 2016 that he would be promoted to Red Bull. Max later confirmed that in a Dutch documentary. By the time Max got promoted he had become adult and moved to Monaco away from Jos, and Christian basically forbade Jos to do any more coaching, probably as a term for Max's promotion.
@@pisderata Sainz Sr was indeed very pissed that Max snatched Jean-Éric Vergne's seat over that of his son, who looked on paper more qualified. Which set the tone for the season to come when Sainz actually did get the call.
Jos turned Max into a psycopath on wheels. What is learnt cannot be reversed. What Jos couldn't achieve in his F1 career he is clinging and reliving through Max and doing irreparable reputational damage
@@hughbarned7660 Your "Max turned psychopath" opinion is just that, an opinion. The one typically coming from salty Lewis fanbois, I might add. What is a fact though is that Jos has always been open in interviews that he wanted Max to not make the mistakes that he made in F1 and that this drove him to the unusual and quite extreme methods that have become a source of debate ever since. So yes, the whole coaching of Max was clearly an exercise in self-projection, but the question is whether that is a bad thing. And is self-projection not what most parents do in their unconscience when they teach their kids? People always suggest that Max has been "irreparably damaged" and traumatized because of what Jos did to him. But after watching a zillion interviews with Max he doesn't come over to me as all that traumatized. If anything, he comes across as rather friendly, mature, and collected. A guy who took valuable lessons from his dad on track, which made him a world champion, but off-track took his own direction.
Helmut Marko about Checo Pérez: “Let's remember that he is South American and so his head is not as focused as Max Verstappen or as Sebastian Vettel was”. I wonder what other thoughts he had when making decisions that he never exteriorised.
South american? Auch, i think you mean checo having nacionality of a country that corresponds to the latinoamerican countries ( sorry for my terrible english in this comentary )
I wish Carlos had a better drive but I think he’ll really be able to help Willams climb back up the ladder even if it’s after his career has ended. For to long they’ve had crap cars with ok drivers. Between him and Albon I think they’ll make a lot of progress in the next few years
Law, you are very flattering about Jos .... I don't think he was ever "High Profile" like Carlos senior. As per personal experience, Jos was a "high profile" arsehole !
@@GeovaneSanciniSR Not better drivers but Jos had 100+ starts and 2 podiums or something. Also saying that theyre both considered "high profile" drivers doesnt mean Jos is better, just that Jos is high profile. Even the shittiest pay drivers are people who race in other cathegories and are often fast, just not fast enough to be competitive in F1 - they still are usually "higher profile drivers".
Being an F1 podium winner is considered high profile in the general racing world. Very few people ever make it to F1, let alone win a podium. That you might or might not like Jos is a different matter altogether.
Did you seriously just say both Carlos and Max had superstar fathers? I don't think Jos counts as a superstar. The greatest claim to fame from his driving career was the fuel fire in 1994. WRC may have a much smaller following than F1 but Carlos Senior was the biggest name in the category at his peak.
@@divinitygaming8673 Not even close. There are plenty of drivers who are soon forgotten outside of their home countries. Jos is now known only for being Max's father. Carlos Senior is still known as a racing drivers.
Imo alex isnt "rolling over" hes acknowleding that carlos coming in is going to make the team better and hes giving him the space to do that. If that means letting carlos become the de facto team leader so be it. Right now williams doesnt have a car to have an inner team rivalry like ferrari does. Maybe once they feel like they have a competetive machine and strategy alex can start to step up and really compete for top dog at williams but right now, for the team, it doesnt make sense to strong arm such a prestigious driver in carlos.
Carlos Sainz Senior is a Rally World Champion twice while Jos Verstappen haven't won a single F1 Driver's Title.. it's like comparing a BMW and my national car Proton... LMAO
Proton ain't that bad... Rebadged mitubishis in the 90s and early 2000s are unkillable even if they don't go very fast. I don't exactly love them either because they were forced on us due to export tariffs/taxes but they aren't that bad.
Two completely different disciplines, so l’m not sure what your point is exactly. But you could also say that Jos made more mistakes therefore he could teach Max better. After all, we learn most from mistakes, don’t we?
@@SaintRukus a win in F1 matters more... At least Sainz. Snr can tell Jos I was a World Champion and you didn't.. Bragging rights matters.. Jos is not that great in F1... Usable second driver when he was active (perhaps).. If he were that promising.. Ferrari or Williams would have picked him up and not bottom of the pile Arrows F1 team
Of course, he can spot talent and he deserves the kudos for nailing Max down. However, his methods to intentionally instill drama with his teammates is not at all respectable.
No problem with bringin Carlos back. there is no issue between max and carlos - both understand what topsports entail. The main issue sooner lies with RB themselves, who still behave as a company instead of a sportsteam
Would love to see a Red Bull Junior History of all drivers, ideas with what if Kyvat wasn't sacked, or did Hartley never join F1? Now that would be a great story, and if do a video on each junior programme, call it on each junior history.👍👏
I never forgave the human torpedo after he took out both McLaren drivers on the first lap of their third race for the team at China, an act of childish driving. An idiot in the Tsunoda mould.
Was anyone calling Carlos Sainz selfish? I don't remember that being a thing, and I don't remember any of his stubbornness or questioning being actually close to selfish while at Ferrari. Maybe he whined about some things during a race a bit too much, but I don't remember anything coming close to being selfish. Wanting to win and wanting a good strategy is not selfish. Challenging and questioning an awful or absurd strategy decision is not being selfish. He could have been way more selfish, especially this year, before I'd think about calling him more selfish than any of the other drivers. I just don't get why anyone would think that about Sainz, like I don't even want to legitimize it. It's just ludicrous. Sainz is like the kid who gets yelled at and receives a detention for 'making faces' on the school bus, even though there's two other kids punching each other in the face, another is stealing somebody's lunch, a fourth is in the back mooning everybody, and the kid that got in trouble was having a sneezing fit and not even making faces to begin with. I don't get why this would even come up as topic regarding Sainz.
Nice analogy and perspective - I totally agree. I like the vast majority of the guys who race in F1 and it disheartens me to see the trash talk (though Lance deserves it).
I agree with a lot of this, but I think this is forgetting the rising temperature between Carlos and Charles at Ferrari. Vegas was a hotspot that would've continued through 2025 if Carlos stayed
Kvyat and Sainz were rivals all through junior series, often teammates. One getting the better after the other. Kvyat without the illustrious dad meddling. Kvyat drove really well at times. Look at Spa 2015, how different Daniil, Max and Carlos race. Daniil from the back got almost to the podium in a car that was short 20 kph or more in top speed. Look it up, the car was sllooowww. Max chased him all race, into the points, good points. Carlos...had to be reminded by his engineer that it was a race, needed to find it within himself to push a bit.
That's what i keep thinking as well, Helmut isn't wrong about it, maybe he goes about it in the wrong way though. I also said this during the time when Sainz was up for grabs in 2024, especially after his win, he felt like he could be the next champion. And yeah, he's good, but... Besides, there's also Charles, Lewis, Lando etc., and now that he's at Wiliams, he might also be battling Fernando often, who also is not a pushover. Charles still beat him, so, if he can't beat Charles, then going to Red Bull was only going to end up in him playing 2nd fiddle, and he doesn't want that anymore. Which is fair enough, but he would have to accept that he can probably only be a leader at a lower ranked team, which is exactly what is happening now. I think he's more in the George Russell territory, i think they can only become champion if everything plays out perfectly, as they're still not rounded enough to force a championship title. Of course, he's probably hoping for a Williams miracle recovery and fluking his way into a championship, but i just don't see him on top of the ladder, pun intended.
Sainz is a driver that can handle himself against any of the top drivers. Teams that are not willing to put up with a strong driver pairing will crumble in a competed Constructors Championship. Ferrari were willing to do it and they fought down to the wire against a stronger McLaren. So if RB don't care about losing the constructors they can keep the one-sided roster.
My prediction for Carlos Sainz is he is the next Fernando Alonso, less the driving championships, but will endure well into his 40's with good rides and be able to call the shots.....he'll be no one's fool. Kimi Jr.. Then after F1 he'll name his ride anywhere in endurance racing, maybe back with Ferrari. How cool would that be...
Carlos is kind of being treated like F1 treated Jenson Button. He went to Renault but was taken away for Fernando Alonso, went to BAR Honda, etc. until he ended up in Brawn where he won his WDC. Later on he went to McLaren but was never treated as the first driver due to Lewis Hamilton and later on Fernando Alonso, borrowing 2013 and 2014 where he was the first driver.
@@EntropicExergyyou are absolutely wrong. Ferrari, merc, and especially McLarens drivers enjoy being in those teams, they are treated as humans. There’s a reason Oscar signed for McLaren despite them not being good at the time. Red Bull treats drivers as disposable tools and clearly has the most toxic and inept environment on the grid.
The way the Redbull team is run seems consistent to me if you look at what they are. Redbull is by horner's own words: a drinks manufacturer. Their team only exists to promote the Redbull drink. They dont care about nurturing a driver, they only care about being the best so that we will associate Redbull with being the best. There is nothing more to it as far as i can see.
@@adamas5932 Fair point, but it wasn't smooth sailing, then again, when is it ever? I just think that the biggest issue would be Sainz himself, aside from whatever it means to drive alongside Max. Sainz wants to be the leader of a team, and taking that spot from Max from within his team, i think would be a big pickle, i don't think Sainz is really at that level (yet, or if ever). A switch to Mercedes might've been the easiest to manage, and probably also the best for Sainz in terms of (probably) getting some results and points quickly. I think Sainz and George would also be fairly equal to each other, kinda like McLaren will be soon, which could've been interesting. Anyway, i digress.. hah
With all due respect, I agree in almost everything, but the fact that you compare Carlos Sainz Sr. brilliant legacy with the likes of Max father because it's frankly wrong 🤣 Carlos dad it's a LEGEND, while the other, at most, it's an average driver 😅
@reinube In a comparation between those two, yes, he is. We are not talking about F1 as a category itself but of two drivers and their accomplishments inside their own field. With that criteria, the difference is gigantic.
Legacy! Jos gets in a huff over some drive in a Red Bull over some imagined slight by CH. Carlos senior gets to drive his son's 2024 Ferrari around Fiorano with the Scuderia personnel fawning over him. Legend!
eh that was it ? what did he reveal really? if anything, to most who followed that period, carlos understated the toxicity of that period. families beefing, max his spanish race engineer (pujolar) getting fired because he was beefing with the sainz camp of the shop.. and is that even true they wanted to create a duel "at all cost" ? eveyurone remembers the "NO" when they wanted max to get out of the way of sainz without a duel so?
Very reassonable yapping ladder man, bravo Red Bull culture is so toxic, drivers have to create a very strong mind set to survive And even Daniel, he left the team because he couldn't work in that environment anymore Carlos has had many moments of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but i'm glad he always finds a way to move forwards and show class
I have worked ar an organization that was like Ferrari, or MB or any of the others where the drivers were treated as equals and encouraged to lift each other up to be the best they can be, and thus make the whole team better. Sadly, I've also worked at the very same organization under different management that was an absolute toxic environment like Red Bull where "leadership's" method to get what they wanted was to make you feel like every day might be your last. What I can tell you is that the only thing a toxic environment like that accomplishes is wasting and chasing aware great talent. So am I surprised to hear all this from Carlos? Not in the least. I realize there are lots of guys who would look past this just to get a seat alongside Max, F1 seats are like golden eggs no matter what hell hole they come wrapped in. Perhaps one day Max will mature and realize that he has squandered a chance to be truly GREAT by supporting this toxicity.
I still maintain that both the Red Bull Racing teams would be much better off if Marko was kept at a distance. The guy managing the junior driver academy doesn't need to be involved with the racing teams. Once the drivers make the step up to F1, he needs to shift his focus to the guys still in the junior categories. The media still talks about Marko as the team boss but that's Horner's role. If those who finance the organisation are not happy with Horner as team boss they replace him with someone else. Having two people acting like they run both teams is never going to work.
Personally, despite his borderline ancient age, I think Marko is still a really important figure for Red Bull’s balance. Without Marko, Horner would practically be the only guy who would have a say and make decisions, and Horner is there to manage the f1 team, not nurture talent. Hell, Horner is the reason the vcarb seat has been in such disarray, wasting precious time and experience for Lawson giving the seat to Ricciardo, instead of just promoting Lawson like Marko had been advocating for. And anyway, with two teams, and a literal junior team in F1, there’s no way Marko can just step back and handle only the feeder series. The RBJT pathway doesn’t end in F2, it ends with the promotion from Vcarb to the main Red Bull team. Marko plays that vital role of managing that in between in F1 as well.
@@fadi7981 Problem is that's not what he is doing. Or it's not all that he is doing. He appears to take far more interest in Max than any of the drivers in the Junior Team.
Algersuari and Buemi were dumped because they wanted to keep Toro Rosso a young drivers team. Not like they're doing with Yuki / Gasly / Ricciardo / Kvyat. They should let Yuki go, and if hes good someone else will take him. Carlos on loan to Renault was great.
"If he's good someone else will take him" F1 isn't a meritocracy. You're more likely to get a team based on who you know than how good you are, and unfortunately Yuki knows Honda who only have pull in Aston where he'd be fighting for a spot with the Boss' son.
Let's first see how Sainz compared to Albon. Many are assuming he'll destroy Albon based on....being in faster cars and less on the sidelines. I can see Sainz making up for more pitwall weaknesses, but time will tell whether that translates to many points at Williams. Albon seems to be exceedingly good at hanging on to a good race position, such as with his DRS trains. Not easy at all.
Look also to Singapore 2016. How good was Kvyat there? Where were the pro Max team orders? Max was soooo much faster in Singapore 2015, should he back down and aspire to be a world champion after?
British bias won’t let you see this, but I rate sainz when he’s good about the same as Norris and leclerc. The other two are shinier in the press but slump just as much as sainz don’t they?
Sainz simply wasn't looking better than Kvyat. Kvyat showed himself a much more capable racer. Sainz has been taking his time to reach a level that's not too far from less experienced Leclerc. Most of his Ferrari wins weren't too convincing either.
We've been hearing this from ex RB junior drivers and staff for years. It's always been evident. It's literally a running joke in the padock and the fans.
Convinced Sainz will end up back at Ferrari (ala Kimi back in the day). Personally…. It’s ridiculous they’ve let him go in the first place. Left under the best of terms, and there’s clearly a lot of mutual respect between both parties. He could’ve thrown his toys out of the pram in 24 given how he was treated, but just got his head down and was the ultimate professional. That’s the sort of stuff Ferrari will remember!
Max from 17 to first in the rain , Carlos crashed in the rain. Senna was a master in the rain. Rain is a big equaliser. Yes Red Bull is brutal but at least give you a chance. Carlos was there and he moved up but Ferrari dropped him unfortunately.
Carlos has had very good races in the rain too. Have a look at the start of the Portuguese GP 2020 when it started raining and Sainz went from 7th to 1st whist Max lost positions in the tricky conditions. One race doesn't tell the full story for any driver.
@angelaso8411 Agree with you but he lost a lot of points which could mean Ferrari could be constructor champions. On the other hand Max didn't leave anything on the table.
@@givemeabreak8784 that's true! I agree Max is overall the better driver and had a better season. Here's my take on the 2024 season of both drivers: I think Carlos had a decent season (not amazing), and let's not forget if he hadn't missed Jeddah he would have been ahead of Piastri in the standings and closer to Leclerc. Max had an amazing season, one of the best performances I've ever seen in the 21 years I've been watching F1!
I’m not a fan of the big teams signing drivers so young and bringing them through. We don’t see any transfers between teams at the top like the old days. The last big transfer was Lewis from McLaren to Mercedes likewise the most recent big transfer was Lewis Mercedes to Ferrari. Once your in a big team family now and your good your stuck there. In the olds Mansell, Prost, Senna , Lauda and many others from that period used to jump around teams all the time. I don’t see Russell, Norris, Max or Charles ever leaving their motorsport families. Big transfers at the height of careers doesn’t happen now. The only modern drivers who have done this is Lewis and Fernando. Lewis recently move is at his prime and Fernandos were poorly timed
The Ferrari Driver Academy seems to be a resounding sucess than any others I think. There is a lot of value being in the FDA because Ferrari is one of the biggest racing brands in the world. The new WEC project also helps. The drivers there are all Ferrari grown talent. You can see the likes of Antonio Giovinazzi and Antonio Fuoco. Ferrari academy drivers tend to have more options even if F1 doesn't work out.
There is nothing toxic about RB and TR and there are a couple of reasons for that. It's not RB that's toxic, it's F1 as a whole. Yup, they all are, it includes merc as well as ferrari and pretty much all the others. They all want to win and if that takes questionable or dubious methods, they'll use them. RB has acknowledged that and runs with it, having set up their junior team as such. Beat the other guy and you have a good shot at landing a seat at the main team. After all, your job in F1 is to beat the other guy and if you want to win the real prizes and become champion, you have to extend that job to the entire grid. Don't blame RB for it, it's the nature of the sport. And another reason easily glossed over is the fact that the Sainz' themselves had a big part in that toxicity. Why does nobody mention the BS stunt sr. tried to pull on RB and Max by spreading lies and misinformation about Max in spanish media? Because that is what happened and that would explain where the toxicity came from. Jos has had his run ins with the law and done some bad thing off track, but he never tried any low BS like Sainz sr. did. And when he found out about it, he just stepped in to rectify the situation and protect Max' prospects. Had Sainz sr. not pulled that stunt of his, the toxicity would have probably been far less. So there you go, just some reasons why Sainz shouldn't be whining about something that is partially caused by the nature of the sport and partially by what his own family did.
Let's be real here, yes Carlos is a very good driver, but not a top tear driver. He's smart, reads the races well, is decided, is sometimes quick, but is not consistently quick and has the occasional error, where you think of, where did that come from? He could be a very good support act for Max, but I don't see him take that role.
One dimensional view of F1. Sorry but, by that analysis Niki because he was slower on raw pace than Alain. was "not a top tier driver" which is ridiculous.
Carlos kinda left out how he and his dad and inner circle fed the Spanish press fake rumors about Verstappen, which cost their side a lot of good will from the red bull side... So I take a lot Carlos says about that period with a big amount of grains of salt.
I also don't think that it is a really smart move to be spilling the beans (even though this wasn't really news, maybe just confirmation), specifically _because_ he's not as good as Verstappen, there's less that you can get away with. He's a handful, an investment that needs caressing, and only then can he deliver results, but never in the dominant fashion that champions can do it reliably. He's lucky that he joined Williams, as i don't think that there's a lot of beans to be spilled there, and they're giving him a proper chance as a leader, this could be the perfect story for him, if all works out well, obviously.
If you look at it from the perspective of F2 drivers, it’s not such a good thing. There are very good drivers in F2 that are not part of redbull or Mercedes academies that will never get a shot at F1 because Merc and redbull effectively control a good chunk of the seats.
lol, he easily got beaten by a 17 year old who ONLY had 1 Year of Car Racing Experience prior to his entry into F1…Sainz is just trying to look good after being dumped by Ferrari & NOT wanted by Front running Teams!
Wow! The snideness you continue to show for Lawson, do you have info we and Red Bull aren't privy to. Here's a guy who gets a couple of replacement gigs at TR/VCARB a year apart, immediately looks at home with zero seat time, and he's the next Lattifi/de Vries/Sargeant. Is it your Britishness Law? What has this guy done to deserve the slithery talk? Immediately upon his 2024 return he inherited Danny's PU penalties and start off the back and, he did well, even bagged a few points from P20. Why is he (and Doohan) the subject of such scorn from the British media?
If you would look at my other videos about Liam, I do reckon he deserves a chance in Formula 1; he has the gumption and gusto to hold his own. My brother has moved to NZ recently and he's been absolutely glowing on the country. Lawson is an exciting prospect in of himself. However, I am not sure as to how Red Bull will handle him.
Everyone crying over Sainz are just those who cried over Perez in 2020. And now they are quiet, like they'd be for Sainz. He is nothing special, Hulkenberg who got a better car.
And how does that stack up with Daniel's defection to Renault? Maybe the team allowing Max to only share half of the blame for Baku crash when Max should have (double move under brakes) received a ban for outrageously dangerous driving. They are horrible driver managers for a team that support a young driver academy.
Have we thought that sainz entrouge might b toxic as well 🤷🏻♀️ in 22 Sainz had the full backup frm Ferrari (car development tilted towards him mid 22 season) Binotto & Rueda confirmed that as well, in 22 when Ferrari had the car for most part of the season where was Carlos? Same for this year as well. IMO both Verstappen & Sainz entrouge was toxic in TR,
So why did the misty eyed Scuderia guys hug and fawn over Carlos senior at Fiorano recently then he drove his son's 2024 Ferrari. I think you have a knack for the absurd. Senior is revered, a generous man of great stature.
1. Carlos was adjusting to the car for most of the season, going from driving midfield cars to suddenly a top performing one isn’t going to be easy and he had to drastically change his driving style for that-which eventually made him a better driver in the long run. Obviously the situation is not ideal, but it’s not like he CHOSE not to be proficient on a completely new tarmac on the get-go 2. “Sainz entourage might b toxic” when they’re probably one of the more reasonable group in the grid. It has already been said many times in the VIDEO that Carlos often got the shorter end of the stick when it comes to race strategy, qualifying drives, and overall treatment. What kind of entourage would they be if they simply let that happen? Especially when it heavily affects someone’s career? Let’s talk Monza 2023 for example. Many people were hating on Carlos’s family for calling out Ferrari’s inconsistent pitwall about “fights”. Like how come when it’s him behind Charles it’s not okay to fight? But when it’s Charles behind him it’s suddenly okay? It’s a valid question and one that Ferrari should learn how to answer especially with their new driver lineup. It’s not “toxic”. They’re not the pushovers you want them to be. The Sainz entourage are simply looking out for their driver- and I think everyone in the paddock HEAVILY understands that, hence why they’re treated so well by the teams they worked with even though they were critics.
In an RB that 110% focused on Max, developed the car solely to his liking AND handicaps any second driver at every chance possible. For reference: Carlos scored better in percentage than Perez did this year.
@@HyperScorpio8688 RB develops the car to go as fast as they can make it go; it's up to the drivers to make it work. You have shown you have no clue of F1.
@@EntropicExergy Yeah except for some weird coincidental reason nobody other than Max can drive them fast once any development is put into the chassis even if the other driver was fast at the beginning of the season. I wonder why...
I don't understand why this is news. Of course Toro Rosso pits its drivers against each other. It is a junior team, and the whole point of driving there is to get that promotion to Red Bull. At Red Bull proper, they do not create rivalry but a team, currently centered around Max. Max was not at odds with Checo, Alex, Pierre, or Daniel. Even if there was a natural rivalry with Daniel. Carlos would have been fine at Red Bull
And I still don’t understand why a junior is allowed in F1. Red Bull has literally wasted so many driver’s time and promised them a seat that they don’t plan of giving them
Redbull is the reason why Carlos got into Formula 1, to talk sh*t about the very people who not only gave him the opportunity but also funded the early stages of his career is just a sh*t move on Carlos, you don’t spit on the hand that feeds you, that’s why I love Max, no bs, no emotional blab, races then races more.
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Redbull biggest misstep was how they wasted Sainz. His 2017 season was amazing, carrying Toro Rosso on his back and getting the Renault drive.
What's become clear is that Red Bull could never have both drivers under the same banner. One had to go, it had to be Carlos...why does this ring oddly familiar?
There were only a few people talking about that Sainz and Verstappen were 0.1 seconds apart most races.
@@Jona-sr4ih still losing though. . . .
@@Jona-sr4ih sainz is usually 1 tenth behind the fastest drivers anyways, just not always
@@Jona-sr4ih17 years old and 20years old is a lot psychologically difference . Redbull had all the right let sainz leave
I think the lower pressure environment at Williams, where there is less ego will benefit Sainz and Albon. Sainz can focus on just racing and not how to overcome his 2nd driver strategy/ having to fight management for something like equal treatment and Albon races better without threats being made about his career. And I think the drivers are both smart enough to recognise this that they can keep the competition to the track and both be better off.
Albion may be exposed. With Sainz coming
Williams with Sainz will be my favorite team to root for 25, all the best ❤
i.m.o next year might suck dude... But 2026 and later, I'm hoping they make a massive leap forward. I'm with you. Would like to see them fighting in the midfield and higher to prove a point.
@@deltynnkruis7024 2025 will absolutely suck, i wouldnt be surprised if williams finish 9th or 10th again next year
Out of the midfield 100%. After that it’s Oscar out front. I want Sainz WDC in 26 or 27 though.
@@Stepheno0125Carlos has to go to AM to get that WDC while Newey is there
You honestly believe Williams will have a car capable of winning the drivers championship in 26 or 27?
You're either very optimistic or very delusional 😉
Important thing is that Carlos' father is alright after a crash at the Dakar Rally....unfortunate he has to withdraw due to too much damage with his Ford Raptor.....
Awww...didn't hear that, glad he's okay for sure.
Dakar is brutal
@@Ktmfan450 Even the older version...the Paris-Dakar race.....
There was only one superstar-father. And it is not Jos.
Jo's is a biggest something 😂
The Red Bull Academy apparently has a "survival of the fittest" approach to racing. From the outside it looks like it is an extremely toxic and ruthless working environment.
Only the best stay . Simple as that . Either you can hadle it or you leave. As a driver you should be grateful you get this opportunity instead of complaining
Apparently is toxic in the inside
It was kinda funny watching others blame RedBull for handling Ricciardo situation yet no other teams bother hiring him when he was free agent lol
Let's not forget that it was actually luck that got Sainz a Toro Rosso seat. Vettel's sudden and late move to Ferrari promoted Kvyat to Red Bull and freed up a seat for Sainz whose father had pushed hard to get him there.
Also, let's not forget that Max was still a teenager in 2015 who until then had been incredibly tightly coached by Jos who was reluctant to let the team take over all the coaching of his son. As a result, Jos meddled with everything on Max's side of the garage, making sure Max never got the short stick. This stirred up strong reaction from Sainz Sr., who's known for being very political, unlike the more hotheaded, straightforward Jos. And voilá, there's your toxic Toro Rosso atmosphere.
Another point not to forget, Max already knew at the start of 2016 that he would be promoted to Red Bull. Max later confirmed that in a Dutch documentary. By the time Max got promoted he had become adult and moved to Monaco away from Jos, and Christian basically forbade Jos to do any more coaching, probably as a term for Max's promotion.
luck bc vettel but bad luck because max snatched his sear first which wasn't logical at the moment
@@pisderata Sainz Sr was indeed very pissed that Max snatched Jean-Éric Vergne's seat over that of his son, who looked on paper more qualified. Which set the tone for the season to come when Sainz actually did get the call.
Jos turned Max into a psycopath on wheels. What is learnt cannot be reversed. What Jos couldn't achieve in his F1 career he is clinging and reliving through Max and doing irreparable reputational damage
@@hughbarned7660 Your "Max turned psychopath" opinion is just that, an opinion. The one typically coming from salty Lewis fanbois, I might add. What is a fact though is that Jos has always been open in interviews that he wanted Max to not make the mistakes that he made in F1 and that this drove him to the unusual and quite extreme methods that have become a source of debate ever since. So yes, the whole coaching of Max was clearly an exercise in self-projection, but the question is whether that is a bad thing. And is self-projection not what most parents do in their unconscience when they teach their kids?
People always suggest that Max has been "irreparably damaged" and traumatized because of what Jos did to him. But after watching a zillion interviews with Max he doesn't come over to me as all that traumatized. If anything, he comes across as rather friendly, mature, and collected. A guy who took valuable lessons from his dad on track, which made him a world champion, but off-track took his own direction.
I think Gasly said it best: "There are so many drivers in that program, and Red Bull doesn't have time."
Helmut Marko about Checo Pérez: “Let's remember that he is South American and so his head is not as focused as Max Verstappen or as Sebastian Vettel was”. I wonder what other thoughts he had when making decisions that he never exteriorised.
Did he say South American? Lol😂 Mexico is in north America. Embarrassing
@@Suso exactly!
Did he seem very focused to you these last 2 seasons? Just asking.
@@abel6846 does ur mom still like you? Just asking
South american? Auch, i think you mean checo having nacionality of a country that corresponds to the latinoamerican countries ( sorry for my terrible english in this comentary )
I wish Carlos had a better drive but I think he’ll really be able to help Willams climb back up the ladder even if it’s after his career has ended. For to long they’ve had crap cars with ok drivers. Between him and Albon I think they’ll make a lot of progress in the next few years
I would agree. Williams will be a better team by the time Carlos moves on in a few years. Then again, if they REALLY kick on, will he want to leave?
@@LawVS True! Maybe he’ll be the next Willam’s world champ!
@@LawVS As Vowles said, "I think he'd like to be here when we beat Ferrari"
Law, you are very flattering about Jos .... I don't think he was ever "High Profile" like Carlos senior. As per personal experience, Jos was a "high profile" arsehole !
Lol he made it to f1. That's above all other forms of racing
@@swoosh26 so, according to this logic, Ricardo "Tosser" Rosset, Gaston Mazzacane and Yuji Ide were better drivers than Carlos Senior
@@GeovaneSanciniSR Not better drivers but Jos had 100+ starts and 2 podiums or something. Also saying that theyre both considered "high profile" drivers doesnt mean Jos is better, just that Jos is high profile. Even the shittiest pay drivers are people who race in other cathegories and are often fast, just not fast enough to be competitive in F1 - they still are usually "higher profile drivers".
I think “notorious” is a better descriptive for Jos. He is kinda high profile but not for the right reasons.
Being an F1 podium winner is considered high profile in the general racing world. Very few people ever make it to F1, let alone win a podium. That you might or might not like Jos is a different matter altogether.
Did you seriously just say both Carlos and Max had superstar fathers? I don't think Jos counts as a superstar. The greatest claim to fame from his driving career was the fuel fire in 1994. WRC may have a much smaller following than F1 but Carlos Senior was the biggest name in the category at his peak.
Being a Formula 1 driver IS being a superstar.
@@divinitygaming8673 Not even close. There are plenty of drivers who are soon forgotten outside of their home countries. Jos is now known only for being Max's father. Carlos Senior is still known as a racing drivers.
@@divinitygaming8673 there are a bit of f1 drivers who come and go over the years, not really remembered by memory
Imo alex isnt "rolling over" hes acknowleding that carlos coming in is going to make the team better and hes giving him the space to do that. If that means letting carlos become the de facto team leader so be it. Right now williams doesnt have a car to have an inner team rivalry like ferrari does. Maybe once they feel like they have a competetive machine and strategy alex can start to step up and really compete for top dog at williams but right now, for the team, it doesnt make sense to strong arm such a prestigious driver in carlos.
Carlos Sainz Senior is a Rally World Champion twice while Jos Verstappen haven't won a single F1 Driver's Title.. it's like comparing a BMW and my national car Proton... LMAO
Proton ain't that bad...
Rebadged mitubishis in the 90s and early 2000s are unkillable even if they don't go very fast.
I don't exactly love them either because they were forced on us due to export tariffs/taxes but they aren't that bad.
Its like comparing ken block who podiumed in rally cross to well me... who has never competed in a race outside of video games
Jos did catch on fire that one time though, that's gotta count for something.
Two completely different disciplines, so l’m not sure what your point is exactly. But you could also say that Jos made more mistakes therefore he could teach Max better. After all, we learn most from mistakes, don’t we?
@@SaintRukus a win in F1 matters more... At least Sainz. Snr can tell Jos I was a World Champion and you didn't.. Bragging rights matters.. Jos is not that great in F1... Usable second driver when he was active (perhaps).. If he were that promising.. Ferrari or Williams would have picked him up and not bottom of the pile Arrows F1 team
Helmut wasn't wrong though, Max is on a different level to all the rest.
Of course, he can spot talent and he deserves the kudos for nailing Max down. However, his methods to intentionally instill drama with his teammates is not at all respectable.
True indeed, but you must pair him with the best available, and carlos was available
@@LawVS And the best thing is: Verstappen is here to race not for the other business.
@LawBS
@@LawVS He has one eye, for talent.
“LETS GIVE IT A GO” lives freely in my head
Yep, luck is not something the Sainz family has in spades. They are pretty tough dudes, tho
No problem with bringin Carlos back. there is no issue between max and carlos - both understand what topsports entail.
The main issue sooner lies with RB themselves, who still behave as a company instead of a sportsteam
Would love to see a Red Bull Junior History of all drivers, ideas with what if Kyvat wasn't sacked, or did Hartley never join F1? Now that would be a great story, and if do a video on each junior programme, call it on each junior history.👍👏
I never forgave the human torpedo after he took out both McLaren drivers on the first lap of their third race for the team at China, an act of childish driving. An idiot in the Tsunoda mould.
One day if Lawvs gets a red bull pit access invite, I wanna see christian horner going on camera and saying the line: giving it a go.
I would ask him "Can I have a go?"
Christian replies, "Sure, Law. Give it a go!"
Was anyone calling Carlos Sainz selfish? I don't remember that being a thing, and I don't remember any of his stubbornness or questioning being actually close to selfish while at Ferrari. Maybe he whined about some things during a race a bit too much, but I don't remember anything coming close to being selfish. Wanting to win and wanting a good strategy is not selfish. Challenging and questioning an awful or absurd strategy decision is not being selfish. He could have been way more selfish, especially this year, before I'd think about calling him more selfish than any of the other drivers.
I just don't get why anyone would think that about Sainz, like I don't even want to legitimize it. It's just ludicrous. Sainz is like the kid who gets yelled at and receives a detention for 'making faces' on the school bus, even though there's two other kids punching each other in the face, another is stealing somebody's lunch, a fourth is in the back mooning everybody, and the kid that got in trouble was having a sneezing fit and not even making faces to begin with. I don't get why this would even come up as topic regarding Sainz.
Nice analogy and perspective - I totally agree. I like the vast majority of the guys who race in F1 and it disheartens me to see the trash talk (though Lance deserves it).
I agree with a lot of this, but I think this is forgetting the rising temperature between Carlos and Charles at Ferrari. Vegas was a hotspot that would've continued through 2025 if Carlos stayed
Kvyat and Sainz were rivals all through junior series, often teammates. One getting the better after the other. Kvyat without the illustrious dad meddling.
Kvyat drove really well at times. Look at Spa 2015, how different Daniil, Max and Carlos race. Daniil from the back got almost to the podium in a car that was short 20 kph or more in top speed. Look it up, the car was sllooowww. Max chased him all race, into the points, good points. Carlos...had to be reminded by his engineer that it was a race, needed to find it within himself to push a bit.
4:40 but that’s reality. You can’t spend years investing in a driver who is good but not great…
That's what i keep thinking as well, Helmut isn't wrong about it, maybe he goes about it in the wrong way though.
I also said this during the time when Sainz was up for grabs in 2024, especially after his win, he felt like he could be the next champion.
And yeah, he's good, but...
Besides, there's also Charles, Lewis, Lando etc., and now that he's at Wiliams, he might also be battling Fernando often, who also is not a pushover.
Charles still beat him, so, if he can't beat Charles, then going to Red Bull was only going to end up in him playing 2nd fiddle, and he doesn't want that anymore.
Which is fair enough, but he would have to accept that he can probably only be a leader at a lower ranked team, which is exactly what is happening now.
I think he's more in the George Russell territory, i think they can only become champion if everything plays out perfectly, as they're still not rounded enough to force a championship title.
Of course, he's probably hoping for a Williams miracle recovery and fluking his way into a championship, but i just don't see him on top of the ladder, pun intended.
Sainz is a driver that can handle himself against any of the top drivers. Teams that are not willing to put up with a strong driver pairing will crumble in a competed Constructors Championship.
Ferrari were willing to do it and they fought down to the wire against a stronger McLaren. So if RB don't care about losing the constructors they can keep the one-sided roster.
Every team prefers the WDC, the teams that claim they don't are just talking BS.
My prediction for Carlos Sainz is he is the next Fernando Alonso, less the driving championships, but will endure well into his 40's with good rides and be able to call the shots.....he'll be no one's fool. Kimi Jr.. Then after F1 he'll name his ride anywhere in endurance racing, maybe back with Ferrari. How cool would that be...
But IF he gets to AM while Newey is there then he can nick 1
Carlos is kind of being treated like F1 treated Jenson Button. He went to Renault but was taken away for Fernando Alonso, went to BAR Honda, etc. until he ended up in Brawn where he won his WDC. Later on he went to McLaren but was never treated as the first driver due to Lewis Hamilton and later on Fernando Alonso, borrowing 2013 and 2014 where he was the first driver.
Didn't do too bad teamed with Sir....... plenty of wins and dealt out some thrashings to his much vaunted countryman. And they got on famously.
@@visionproductionsnz7828 true, shows how underrated he was at the time
That whole red bull organization is so toxic 🤮 I’m so glad Sainz didn’t go there
Anywhere Jos Verstappen goes is toxic
Pretty sure Sainz doesn't agree on this 😂
Nope, they aren't. McKaren, merc and ferrari are far worse.
@@EntropicExergyyou are absolutely wrong. Ferrari, merc, and especially McLarens drivers enjoy being in those teams, they are treated as humans. There’s a reason Oscar signed for McLaren despite them not being good at the time. Red Bull treats drivers as disposable tools and clearly has the most toxic and inept environment on the grid.
Genuinely a tragedy that we never got a Ferrari Teammates Verstappen vs Leclerc. That would have been FUN to watch
That would have gone over as well as Senna and Prost as teammates
@@maxp2305 Nah, Max had already beaten Chuck in karting, it would be very much the same.
The way the Redbull team is run seems consistent to me if you look at what they are. Redbull is by horner's own words: a drinks manufacturer. Their team only exists to promote the Redbull drink. They dont care about nurturing a driver, they only care about being the best so that we will associate Redbull with being the best. There is nothing more to it as far as i can see.
Man I just want it to be March. 2025 is going to be soo good
I’m a big max fan, but I genuinely hate the way Red Bull is run. When he’s gone I’ll never wish for them to win another race
Off season content about stuff everyone knew about. Good job
We really gonna act like Charles and Sainz had no drama?
My point exactly xD
They had their fights but considering how much italian and spanish media tried to poison the well, I'd say they fared pretty well.
@@adamas5932 Fair point, but it wasn't smooth sailing, then again, when is it ever?
I just think that the biggest issue would be Sainz himself, aside from whatever it means to drive alongside Max.
Sainz wants to be the leader of a team, and taking that spot from Max from within his team, i think would be a big pickle, i don't think Sainz is really at that level (yet, or if ever).
A switch to Mercedes might've been the easiest to manage, and probably also the best for Sainz in terms of (probably) getting some results and points quickly.
I think Sainz and George would also be fairly equal to each other, kinda like McLaren will be soon, which could've been interesting.
Anyway, i digress.. hah
With all due respect, I agree in almost everything, but the fact that you compare Carlos Sainz Sr. brilliant legacy with the likes of Max father because it's frankly wrong 🤣 Carlos dad it's a LEGEND, while the other, at most, it's an average driver 😅
If you get to f1, a series with only around 20 people in it, you are not an average driver mate
@reinube In a comparation between those two, yes, he is. We are not talking about F1 as a category itself but of two drivers and their accomplishments inside their own field. With that criteria, the difference is gigantic.
@ yes i agree that there is a difference, i just cant call jos a average racer though thats all ;)
Legacy! Jos gets in a huff over some drive in a Red Bull over some imagined slight by CH. Carlos senior gets to drive his son's 2024 Ferrari around Fiorano with the Scuderia personnel fawning over him. Legend!
@@reinube the notion of f1 having only the best drivers in the world has to go
I just had a thought about the Red Bull progression. Mark Webber did it before it was even a thing
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
eh that was it ? what did he reveal really? if anything, to most who followed that period, carlos understated the toxicity of that period. families beefing, max his spanish race engineer (pujolar) getting fired because he was beefing with the sainz camp of the shop.. and is that even true they wanted to create a duel "at all cost" ? eveyurone remembers the "NO" when they wanted max to get out of the way of sainz without a duel so?
So this is why they want to keep Tsunoda at the feeder team. He's guaranteed drama
Very reassonable yapping ladder man, bravo
Red Bull culture is so toxic, drivers have to create a very strong mind set to survive
And even Daniel, he left the team because he couldn't work in that environment anymore
Carlos has had many moments of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but i'm glad he always finds a way to move forwards and show class
Red Bull Academy is like the Vaganova Ballet Academy of F1. Effective? Yes. Ethical? Ehhhhhhhhhh
This is the best comparison I’ve ever seen
Show me the slightest sliver of ethics in F1 and i'll show you a pipedream.
Omg yeah! This is exactly it
I have worked ar an organization that was like Ferrari, or MB or any of the others where the drivers were treated as equals and encouraged to lift each other up to be the best they can be, and thus make the whole team better. Sadly, I've also worked at the very same organization under different management that was an absolute toxic environment like Red Bull where "leadership's" method to get what they wanted was to make you feel like every day might be your last. What I can tell you is that the only thing a toxic environment like that accomplishes is wasting and chasing aware great talent. So am I surprised to hear all this from Carlos? Not in the least. I realize there are lots of guys who would look past this just to get a seat alongside Max, F1 seats are like golden eggs no matter what hell hole they come wrapped in. Perhaps one day Max will mature and realize that he has squandered a chance to be truly GREAT by supporting this toxicity.
What a load of BS. Try watching a race for once, you have no clue of F1.
Williams is the VSHOJO of Formula 1.
It's a place where broken F1 drivers can heal and recover.
I still maintain that both the Red Bull Racing teams would be much better off if Marko was kept at a distance. The guy managing the junior driver academy doesn't need to be involved with the racing teams. Once the drivers make the step up to F1, he needs to shift his focus to the guys still in the junior categories. The media still talks about Marko as the team boss but that's Horner's role. If those who finance the organisation are not happy with Horner as team boss they replace him with someone else. Having two people acting like they run both teams is never going to work.
Personally, despite his borderline ancient age, I think Marko is still a really important figure for Red Bull’s balance. Without Marko, Horner would practically be the only guy who would have a say and make decisions, and Horner is there to manage the f1 team, not nurture talent. Hell, Horner is the reason the vcarb seat has been in such disarray, wasting precious time and experience for Lawson giving the seat to Ricciardo, instead of just promoting Lawson like Marko had been advocating for. And anyway, with two teams, and a literal junior team in F1, there’s no way Marko can just step back and handle only the feeder series. The RBJT pathway doesn’t end in F2, it ends with the promotion from Vcarb to the main Red Bull team. Marko plays that vital role of managing that in between in F1 as well.
@@fadi7981 Problem is that's not what he is doing. Or it's not all that he is doing. He appears to take far more interest in Max than any of the drivers in the Junior Team.
Algersuari and Buemi were dumped because they wanted to keep Toro Rosso a young drivers team. Not like they're doing with Yuki / Gasly / Ricciardo / Kvyat. They should let Yuki go, and if hes good someone else will take him. Carlos on loan to Renault was great.
"If he's good someone else will take him" F1 isn't a meritocracy. You're more likely to get a team based on who you know than how good you are, and unfortunately Yuki knows Honda who only have pull in Aston where he'd be fighting for a spot with the Boss' son.
No wonder de Vries was destroyed there
How do you have the time and creativity for so many good and original videos??
5am wake-up calls
it's funny that these kind of deliria never get made about alonso, button, rosberg, bottas...
Let's first see how Sainz compared to Albon. Many are assuming he'll destroy Albon based on....being in faster cars and less on the sidelines.
I can see Sainz making up for more pitwall weaknesses, but time will tell whether that translates to many points at Williams.
Albon seems to be exceedingly good at hanging on to a good race position, such as with his DRS trains. Not easy at all.
Look also to Singapore 2016. How good was Kvyat there? Where were the pro Max team orders?
Max was soooo much faster in Singapore 2015, should he back down and aspire to be a world champion after?
British bias won’t let you see this, but I rate sainz when he’s good about the same as Norris and leclerc. The other two are shinier in the press but slump just as much as sainz don’t they?
If Ferrari would take it home this 2025, it would be extra not nice for Carlos.
That won't happen.
@@evonne_o and what will happen? You have a crystal ball right.
@Ki-Bi Maybe yeah
Sainz simply wasn't looking better than Kvyat. Kvyat showed himself a much more capable racer.
Sainz has been taking his time to reach a level that's not too far from less experienced Leclerc. Most of his Ferrari wins weren't too convincing either.
We've been hearing this from ex RB junior drivers and staff for years. It's always been evident. It's literally a running joke in the padock and the fans.
I don't think Ocon is going to change, Alonso broke Ocon's brain and stuff while they were teammates. But we're see soon enough...
9:55 - I forsee the Verstappen-Alonso hivemind coming to a head in 2026/8 - "GP2 ENGINE!"
Not with Newey there.....
Convinced Sainz will end up back at Ferrari (ala Kimi back in the day). Personally…. It’s ridiculous they’ve let him go in the first place. Left under the best of terms, and there’s clearly a lot of mutual respect between both parties. He could’ve thrown his toys out of the pram in 24 given how he was treated, but just got his head down and was the ultimate professional. That’s the sort of stuff Ferrari will remember!
Max from 17 to first in the rain , Carlos crashed in the rain. Senna was a master in the rain. Rain is a big equaliser. Yes Red Bull is brutal but at least give you a chance. Carlos was there and he moved up but Ferrari dropped him unfortunately.
Carlos has had very good races in the rain too. Have a look at the start of the Portuguese GP 2020 when it started raining and Sainz went from 7th to 1st whist Max lost positions in the tricky conditions. One race doesn't tell the full story for any driver.
@angelaso8411 Agree with you but he lost a lot of points which could mean Ferrari could be constructor champions. On the other hand Max didn't leave anything on the table.
@@givemeabreak8784 that's true! I agree Max is overall the better driver and had a better season.
Here's my take on the 2024 season of both drivers:
I think Carlos had a decent season (not amazing), and let's not forget if he hadn't missed Jeddah he would have been ahead of Piastri in the standings and closer to Leclerc.
Max had an amazing season, one of the best performances I've ever seen in the 21 years I've been watching F1!
Lol..U dont win championships with sainz as ur main driver
And yet many say you don't win championships with two "number one" drivers. Both that and your statement, while opposite are demonstrably untrue.
Red Bull racing driver has to be a job with the least security out of all of them
4:52 nah Jos "I will beat my son until becomes a world champion" Verstappen will never be considered a superstar
I’m not a fan of the big teams signing drivers so young and bringing them through. We don’t see any transfers between teams at the top like the old days. The last big transfer was Lewis from McLaren to Mercedes likewise the most recent big transfer was Lewis Mercedes to Ferrari.
Once your in a big team family now and your good your stuck there. In the olds Mansell, Prost, Senna , Lauda and many others from that period used to jump around teams all the time.
I don’t see Russell, Norris, Max or Charles ever leaving their motorsport families. Big transfers at the height of careers doesn’t happen now.
The only modern drivers who have done this is Lewis and Fernando. Lewis recently move is at his prime and Fernandos were poorly timed
The Ferrari Driver Academy seems to be a resounding sucess than any others I think. There is a lot of value being in the FDA because Ferrari is one of the biggest racing brands in the world. The new WEC project also helps. The drivers there are all Ferrari grown talent. You can see the likes of Antonio Giovinazzi and Antonio Fuoco. Ferrari academy drivers tend to have more options even if F1 doesn't work out.
Nah it’s RB
yeah the definitely need a second team to get their academy drives in
What's with the Horner impression??
Ah, he's just giving it a go.
Maxbull team as a toxicity whole is just a mess so much
Red bull went from insane competition to 3 years of mediocre Perez.
what happened to using the real words that have actual meaning? 'toxic' is a useless euphemism meaning 'it upsets me' or just vaguely 'bad'
Danny Kyv was a missed opportunity.
Red bull should not have two teams
There is nothing toxic about RB and TR and there are a couple of reasons for that. It's not RB that's toxic, it's F1 as a whole. Yup, they all are, it includes merc as well as ferrari and pretty much all the others. They all want to win and if that takes questionable or dubious methods, they'll use them. RB has acknowledged that and runs with it, having set up their junior team as such. Beat the other guy and you have a good shot at landing a seat at the main team. After all, your job in F1 is to beat the other guy and if you want to win the real prizes and become champion, you have to extend that job to the entire grid. Don't blame RB for it, it's the nature of the sport. And another reason easily glossed over is the fact that the Sainz' themselves had a big part in that toxicity. Why does nobody mention the BS stunt sr. tried to pull on RB and Max by spreading lies and misinformation about Max in spanish media? Because that is what happened and that would explain where the toxicity came from. Jos has had his run ins with the law and done some bad thing off track, but he never tried any low BS like Sainz sr. did. And when he found out about it, he just stepped in to rectify the situation and protect Max' prospects. Had Sainz sr. not pulled that stunt of his, the toxicity would have probably been far less. So there you go, just some reasons why Sainz shouldn't be whining about something that is partially caused by the nature of the sport and partially by what his own family did.
Let's be real here, yes Carlos is a very good driver, but not a top tear driver. He's smart, reads the races well, is decided, is sometimes quick, but is not consistently quick and has the occasional error, where you think of, where did that come from?
He could be a very good support act for Max, but I don't see him take that role.
One dimensional view of F1. Sorry but, by that analysis Niki because he was slower on raw pace than Alain. was "not a top tier driver" which is ridiculous.
Carlos kinda left out how he and his dad and inner circle fed the Spanish press fake rumors about Verstappen, which cost their side a lot of good will from the red bull side... So I take a lot Carlos says about that period with a big amount of grains of salt.
I also don't think that it is a really smart move to be spilling the beans (even though this wasn't really news, maybe just confirmation), specifically _because_ he's not as good as Verstappen, there's less that you can get away with.
He's a handful, an investment that needs caressing, and only then can he deliver results, but never in the dominant fashion that champions can do it reliably.
He's lucky that he joined Williams, as i don't think that there's a lot of beans to be spilled there, and they're giving him a proper chance as a leader, this could be the perfect story for him, if all works out well, obviously.
People just hate RedBull so much that the RedBull academy is drastically underrated. It is one of the best things to happen to the sport.
No denying that. It's been supremely effective. That being said, that efficacy isn't always a healthy experience for its members.
Successful doesn't mean moral... two different things. The hate is definitely warranted
If you look at it from the perspective of F2 drivers, it’s not such a good thing. There are very good drivers in F2 that are not part of redbull or Mercedes academies that will never get a shot at F1 because Merc and redbull effectively control a good chunk of the seats.
@@christophergritti9873 Hating on a sports team for doing their job (winning) is for idiots. As long as they don't cheat, why hate them?
lol, he easily got beaten by a 17 year old who ONLY had 1 Year of Car Racing Experience prior to his entry into F1…Sainz is just trying to look good after being dumped by Ferrari & NOT wanted by Front running Teams!
This is the reason that the Verstappen clan fits so well within RedBull Racing, it's toxicity squared.
What a load of BS, no clue of F1.
@EntropicExergy where have you been hiding since 2015, in pink Maxipad land ???
@@WBO-lp3cp Since hiding is for cowards, that's what you have been doing. I don't hide, unlike you.
@@EntropicExergy oh oh, big words
@@WBO-lp3cp For a little guy perhaps. Not for me as a Dutch guy.
Is sainz going back to RB or do I miss something
After the stunt his father pulled, the Sainz' are non-grata as far as RB is concerned.
A hothead Jos and political Sainz Senior was always a recipe for drama.
Red Bull toxic? Duh. Have you ever try just one sip of that stufff?
So who are the people who were supposedly sacked for 'insubordination' against the verstappens 😂
Wow! The snideness you continue to show for Lawson, do you have info we and Red Bull aren't privy to. Here's a guy who gets a couple of replacement gigs at TR/VCARB a year apart, immediately looks at home with zero seat time, and he's the next Lattifi/de Vries/Sargeant. Is it your Britishness Law? What has this guy done to deserve the slithery talk? Immediately upon his 2024 return he inherited Danny's PU penalties and start off the back and, he did well, even bagged a few points from P20. Why is he (and Doohan) the subject of such scorn from the British media?
If you would look at my other videos about Liam, I do reckon he deserves a chance in Formula 1; he has the gumption and gusto to hold his own. My brother has moved to NZ recently and he's been absolutely glowing on the country. Lawson is an exciting prospect in of himself. However, I am not sure as to how Red Bull will handle him.
Hey Mr Marko. First off Pérez is not South American. Secondly how is that a bad thing? Ever heard of Aryton Senna?
Ricardo beat max ironically
you are talking as if you were omniscient but you miss a lot of technicals data stuff and there is a lot that is still unknown to the public
I love Max but hate RBR. Both RBR and Minardi are career suicide.
Everyone crying over Sainz are just those who cried over Perez in 2020. And now they are quiet, like they'd be for Sainz. He is nothing special, Hulkenberg who got a better car.
rejected driver says team that rejected him was toxic, what a surprise....
And how does that stack up with Daniel's defection to Renault? Maybe the team allowing Max to only share half of the blame for Baku crash when Max should have (double move under brakes) received a ban for outrageously dangerous driving. They are horrible driver managers for a team that support a young driver academy.
Helmet should retire . We don’t need him
Have we thought that sainz entrouge might b toxic as well 🤷🏻♀️ in 22 Sainz had the full backup frm Ferrari (car development tilted towards him mid 22 season) Binotto & Rueda confirmed that as well, in 22 when Ferrari had the car for most part of the season where was Carlos? Same for this year as well. IMO both Verstappen & Sainz entrouge was toxic in TR,
So why did the misty eyed Scuderia guys hug and fawn over Carlos senior at Fiorano recently then he drove his son's 2024 Ferrari. I think you have a knack for the absurd. Senior is revered, a generous man of great stature.
1. Carlos was adjusting to the car for most of the season, going from driving midfield cars to suddenly a top performing one isn’t going to be easy and he had to drastically change his driving style for that-which eventually made him a better driver in the long run. Obviously the situation is not ideal, but it’s not like he CHOSE not to be proficient on a completely new tarmac on the get-go
2. “Sainz entourage might b toxic” when they’re probably one of the more reasonable group in the grid. It has already been said many times in the VIDEO that Carlos often got the shorter end of the stick when it comes to race strategy, qualifying drives, and overall treatment. What kind of entourage would they be if they simply let that happen? Especially when it heavily affects someone’s career?
Let’s talk Monza 2023 for example. Many people were hating on Carlos’s family for calling out Ferrari’s inconsistent pitwall about “fights”. Like how come when it’s him behind Charles it’s not okay to fight? But when it’s Charles behind him it’s suddenly okay?
It’s a valid question and one that Ferrari should learn how to answer especially with their new driver lineup. It’s not “toxic”. They’re not the pushovers you want them to be. The Sainz entourage are simply looking out for their driver- and I think everyone in the paddock HEAVILY understands that, hence why they’re treated so well by the teams they worked with even though they were critics.
I’m Buggin ? Or this goku ?
Max outscored Carlos 49-18 in 2015, he would be nowhere near Max at Red Bull as well
In an RB that 110% focused on Max, developed the car solely to his liking AND handicaps any second driver at every chance possible.
For reference: Carlos scored better in percentage than Perez did this year.
@@HyperScorpio8688source?
@@HyperScorpio8688 RB develops the car to go as fast as they can make it go; it's up to the drivers to make it work. You have shown you have no clue of F1.
@@EntropicExergy Yeah except for some weird coincidental reason nobody other than Max can drive them fast once any development is put into the chassis even if the other driver was fast at the beginning of the season. I wonder why...
@@HyperScorpio8688 Total BS, Carkos had more Formula car experience and was in the RB program much longer, whby would they focus on Max?
I don't understand why this is news. Of course Toro Rosso pits its drivers against each other. It is a junior team, and the whole point of driving there is to get that promotion to Red Bull. At Red Bull proper, they do not create rivalry but a team, currently centered around Max. Max was not at odds with Checo, Alex, Pierre, or Daniel. Even if there was a natural rivalry with Daniel. Carlos would have been fine at Red Bull
you think so highly of carlos Sainz he is nit all that
Greedy Junior program
And I still don’t understand why a junior is allowed in F1. Red Bull has literally wasted so many driver’s time and promised them a seat that they don’t plan of giving them
now i realize checo's career after that baku gp went spiralling down, its because of the culture that was shown here
Nah, more likely because Perez had delusions of becoming WDC and Max had ended his chances in Miami.
Redbull is the reason why Carlos got into Formula 1, to talk sh*t about the very people who not only gave him the opportunity but also funded the early stages of his career is just a sh*t move on Carlos, you don’t spit on the hand that feeds you, that’s why I love Max, no bs, no emotional blab, races then races more.
This is such a non-subject Law... You've had better video ideas than this for sure...
once again I lost interest after the first 10 minutes. Its like listening to your wife rant without taking a breath.... keep it short and to the point
Ill say this again comparing sainz to leclerc or max is hilarious...
Well we can compare CS to CL and it's a pretty decent match. Max is something else though. Generational.