Top 10 Best 3Lz+3T combo in Women Figure Skating History based on the judges - and later my opinion
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Here we make an analysis of the top triple lutz + toe jumps that we saw in all time on the ladies field, making a top 10 of the lutz jumps that received the highest score from the judges, and later my opinion do you agree with the result of the list or do you think somebody is missing , hope you enjoy the video.
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The bonus and difficulty for doing it in the second half (x) benefit most of these skaters, but in terms of just GOE:
1. Alena Kostornaia: 2.53
2. Kseniia Sinitsyna 2.36
3. Alina Zagitova: 2.28
4. Eunsoo Lim: 2.24
5. Yuna Kim: 2.20
Yuna reseved this GOE under old scoring system, if we turn it to Current system, her GOE will be over +4 , which is the highest, lots of people don't know about the change of Goe system from (-3,+3) to (-5,+5) ,Yuna's 2/20 was from 3 , others 2 s are from 5 , I hope this help and we see lesser hateful comments towards current athletes.
@@nilw1997 her goe won't be +4, the maximum you can get is the 50% if your goe is straight 5. For a Lutz jump should be around 3.
Also, Yuna Kim may be on the 3 goe system, but she also benefitted from unfactored GOE. That's why her scores were well over 150 in the long program even if her goes were mostly 1s and 2s.
Why don't you learn the rules more before spouting incorrect nonsense.
@@jamesyu5212 it's 3Lutz +3Toe Not 3Lutz as single ,BV is almost 10 and 50% of it is 5 , why you don't use your eyes to read the title correctly except for using your big mouth to insult others for no reason
Unfactored or not my point is the judging system was different so it can't be compered.
@@nilw1997 except only the higher scoring jump in a combo gets GOE. Goe is not given to both jumps. hahahahaha you are laughable. Pretending to be knowledgeable in scoring when you are not. Embarrassing. Go back to every protocol I. The last 5 years sweetie. Try and calculate it yourself. They only get GOE on the higher base value jump in the combo and not both jumps.
I guess you don't have a comeback for that anymore. Sad. please don't delete your comments as permanent proof of ignorance.
@@nilw1997 As much as I hate that person who insulted you while commenting, in current system GOE factor is max 50% of the highest BV of the jump. For example 3Lz-3T with GOE +5 then the GOE is only 50% of 3Lz BV (the highest BV jump out of that combo).
Maybe it's better to include unfactored GOE to evaluate it in the video, cause there're many great 3Lz-3T not in the bonus time.
Kim Yuna. Textbook technique and so much height and distance. There's simply no technical issues to her jumps
Not even talking about prerotation, but half of the skaters shouldn’t be on this list bc they don’t even have an OUTSIDE EDGE which is the most important requirement for a Lutz jump
Yuna kim is a text book of Lutz!!!
Big scale and beautiful position and clear landing...she just...legend
Queen Yuna is the best 👑❤️
I am THRILLED to give your comment the 100th like! I completely agree ... Imo, Yuna's is a perfect textbook lutz with a deep outside edge, virtually no pre-rotation, and massive travel across the ice. And her speed entering it is just out of this world! After all these years, Queen Yuna is still my absolute favorite. (And look at all she has done for Korean figure skating by putting them on the map - a true icon and an undeniable legend!) 💖✨
Yuna is by far the most complete jumping abilities
She so fast , her technique , her air position , her combo is huge distance , flow between triple , effortless , consistance
Only for the lutz jump.
@@jorgebonilla2234 Not only for the lutz
@@jorgebonilla2234 Lmfao, what??? You're trolling, right?
She also has the easiest looking jumps. Effortless. The russians muscles through their combinations its so obvious and the axis is just....
i'm no skating pro, and i can't tell the difference from 1 jump to another. but i love Yuna....for me, she's by far the best ladies-singles skater out there. definitely a lot more graceful and fluid. these technical jumps should be scored by tiny AI machines (strapped to their boots or whatever). her post-competitive performances in All That Skate are spectacular.
Yuna is another level. No.1
아니 유나킴 실화냐 여기나온 선수들하고 세대차이가 그렇게 나는데도 가산점을 부빌수있다는게 말도 안되네
지금 체점제로 저구성대로 뛰어도 포디움은 그냥 드는 갓연아
현재는 goe가 5개로 나눠져서 지금 기준대로 하면 연아 가산점 3,4점은 찍을거라생각함
Kim Yuna is ISU textbook. The gold standard example of perfect technique. ISU judges and callers should view this video to see all the cheated flat-edge take-offs and horrendous pre-rotations.
Yuna was the best in the case of technique and quality , Polina and Liza are textbook too , I love Sasha and Anna's transitions in and out of their jumps, Yelim and Alina's are big and beautiful as well
I also like Midori ito ,Kristi Yamaguchi & Bonaly's jumps from old school figure skating
I think this only accounts for +5 GOE era
@@Griffw06it does not, yuna only competed under the +3 GOE system
Yuna's jumps are something else for sure, and Kami's technique is getting better this year. Great video as always!
Thank youu
@@camilacaldera-salcido5510 what are you on 😭
@@camilacaldera-salcido5510it’s literally getting better 💀 especially compared to the Olympic season..
Definitely Queen Yuna
Currently, the best Lutz combination in women's singles is definitely chaeyeon kim she All parts of her right outside edge topic use and distance are great.
😂😂
Completely agree.
It’s really hopeful, but at the same time quite ironic, how well trained figure skating fans’ eyes are regarding proper jumping technique. I only wish that the same could be said about the actual judges…
@@smilenews2224 ??
This!!!
The transitions in and out in Trusova’s 3Lz+3T look the hardest transitions I have seen. It is impressive how little time she needs after getting up from cantilever and immediately jump a 3Lz in cascade. Yuna Kim, Elizaveta have the best 3 Lutzes technically.
Thiss
Thats because trusiva did drugs
@@ptoleymios2 Вы больны? Какие наркотики?????
honestly i feel like anna’s is harder. sasha does a cantilever but it’s not as deep as she usually does and she doesn’t do anything else out of it. I was surprised when anna did her 3Lz out of all of those steps and then had another counter out of it. they’re both creative though.
@@ptoleymios2 у Вас принято за свои слова отвечать?😅
What is Anna Shcherbakova even doing in this list
Winning
Idk
@@ilb473 with help of corruption!
Загадка 🤷♀️
Girl,litteraly she has way better technice in the lutz than kamila so stop pleasd
이렇게 보니까 더욱 확실해지네요..
연아의 3Lz+3T 퀄리티를 능가하는 선수는
아직 나타나지 않았다는 점이요..
더구나 부츠의 무게가 연아의 전성기 때보다
더욱 가벼워진 지금인데도요..
은퇴한지 10년이 가까워지는데도 여전히
Great Queen YUNA라고 불리는 것도
너무 당연해지네요..👸⛸️
Yuna’s lutz is perfect
Kostornaia and shervacova’s lutz are not good,that should be wrong technique
Yuna Kim is the best ever
Yuna and Alexandra Trusova are the best at lutz jump
@@leahvictoria2821 uhhhh Trusova has 180 toe prerotation on her lutz. If you slo mo it looks like a loop because there is so much prerotiation. She has a bad lutz. Yuna does at most 90 degree prerotation which is textbook.
@@benjaminccaoat least she has a outside edge
@@benjaminccaoand small heights
エテリ組のルッツはもれなく全員、直前に曲線を描いて遠心力を使ってアウトにするから嘘っぽいんだよ。あれ、とくにセカンドループの回転もごまかせるからよく考えたなと思う。
ルッツの難しさは直線からアウトにするところにある。
タクタミシュワ、キムヨナ、安藤美姫。ここらへんのルッツが教科書。
説得力あります👍
Yuna Kim the best of the best
김연아의 점프는 비거리 높이가 월등하고 보기에도 편하고 가벼워보임.
She also had great transitions , i look at her skating and it still seems modern .
そう見えるだけ
Russian skaters often have unclear edges.
And yet it has received high praise.
러시아와 심판이 한통속인가봅니다.
과연 지금 스케이터들이 요즘나온 신소재가 아닌 무거운 가죽부츠 스케이트를 신고 김연아와 같은 점프를 할 수 있을까? 글쎄....
Yuna and Yelim are gorgeous. Has the distance.
Yuna kim Queen
The yuna kim is legend... !!!!!
Very nicely done video! I'm glad you pointed out edges and stuff and gave your opinion. The judges don't always get the scores right!
The best 3L 3T I saw on this video was Ye-Lim Kim. I’ve never heard of her but her combo was exquisite
Queen Yuna
Tsurskaya's Lutz is incredible 😮
kamila is so overscored it hurts
Yuna Kim, the legend!
Yuna is completely on another level. Textbook!
Юна Ким-это волшебство.Невероятно талантливая❤❤
yuna Kim is best
Queen Yuna, Empress Liza, Rika best
Most of Sambo 70 skaters right toepick jumps are bad
Maiia ...
@@leahvictoria2821 Maiia, Anna, Kamila....Lutz edge are too bad and got injured very early
Polina Tsurskaia & Sasha Trusova are jokes to you?
@@feyanormorfol2457 they said MOST
@@feyanormorfol2457 Sasha Lutz not good too
Yuna is another level.
Kim Yuna ❤Forever my ice Queen! Queen Yuna!
Sasha Yuna & Alena
Summary: Queen Yu-Na and Lutztamysheva.
seeing Maiia on here made me laugh, I don't think the girl knows what a toepick is :P
Yuna
약쟁이들은 나가주시고 편파판정 심판들은 감히 연아를 심판하지 말아주세요.
Long live the queen Yuna.
Yuna Kim was the best travelled, which makes it more spectacular. However, some of the other girls put their hands over their head to make it more difficult.
Yuna, Liza, Rika, Chaeyeon, Polina, Alexia?!!! None of them are in this list? And the list is filled with some flutzers and cheated jumpers. *Pretends to be shocked*
Yuna is the one
isu judging is a joke. i agree with your opinion. i would add anastasia tarakanova and gracie gold
There is no way yuna is not on the top 3 😭😭
The bonus for doing it in the second half of the program (x) benefit most of these skaters, in terms of just GOE Yuna is in 5th with 2.20 - still deserves more tho
@@WeLoveSkating1 А кто мешал Юне прыгать этот каскад во второй половине программы?
@풍선 Ну и почему бы вашей "звезде" Ким не начать прыгать этот каскад во второй половине? Была бы первой 😂
@@user-is9bj6xd3o doping? drug?
@@user-is9bj6xd3o Well almost none of the skaters in those days even was able to have consistency jumping 3-3 combos (Mao's 3F+3Lo rarely suceeded, Miki's 3Lz+3Lo experienced rotation issues, Kostner's 3F+3T had great technique but had severe consistency issues with its success rate) PLUS skaters from the Vancouver Olympics era skated in way heavier boots, the fact that Yuna was able to jump the 3Lz+3T itself is amazing and even with her goddess technique and amazing scale, you cannot just deny the fact that her 3-3 combo was the one and only in the history with the "backloading technique" which was developed by Eteri Tutberidze and her Doping Girls. (+++ Yuna's GOE, +2.20, was the max GOE available to a 3Lz combo in that season.)
У Юны и Алёны были лучшие лутцы в каскаде!
I know this channel mainly focuses on russian skaters(maybe cuz it's owned and run by russians), but the Yuna's 3LZ+3T is the very BEST. It's not even debatable.
It is not about the best, it is about the ones that got the highest scores based in the judges, so your point is ..
Pretty new one, but i think Chaeyeon Kim has one of the best 3lz-3t combos out there.
i’ve heard that Gracie Gold at the height of her career had a huge and extremely technical 3Lz + 3T. i believe it’s one of her best jumps and she was known for it. one of the hallmarks of her recent comeback was the fact that she somewhat recovered it and it was, as usual, major (when the nerves didn’t get the better of her, which is sadly still an issue).
That’s a good call, Ann. I forgot how good Gracie’s Lutz was/is.
Лучшая.
Александра Трусова!!!❤❤❤
You skipped lots of combos with high goe Rika kihira got 2.20 goe for her triple lutz- triple toe loop at 2018 gpf and Tomoe got 2.20 goe as well for her combo at 2019 jgp
They have the best combo
In total points its not enough to be on the list with the ones that did it in the second half
Queen Yuna!
주니어대회랑 시니어대회의 가산점은 구별해서 보는게 맞음... 결국 goe도 같은대회에서 상대평가로 이뤄지는거니까
Queen Yuna Kim ❤❤
Yuna.
Алёна Которая лучшая
Looks like ISU lowered the standards ever since Yuna stopped competing 🙄
конечно же аленка, алёна-это когда второй прыжок в каскаде выше чем первый))💗💋
finally someone mentioned yelim
Her distance>>
@@WeLoveSkating1 yes, her distance before jumping a lutz is really good, but she has problems with the edge (at least it was in season 2020-2021, but I think she still has them)
If Valieva had a 3/4 prerotation, then why is she above Trusova who had less prerotation?
Because there is no official punishment for prerotation, it doesn't affect the points
because this sport is corrupt
Sasha!
Трусова и Туктамышева с самым лучшим лутцем. А судьи наставили баллы тем у кого явные ошибки. Странно всё это. Техника покидает спорт.
нет, у уюны лучше. саша на льду 1/2 с лезвиеи крутит
@@Ivan-lr8ut Лиза безупречна Королева лутца. А Саша квад лутца
Самый лучший лутц у Щербаковой вопервых стабильный в 4 оборото во вторых сложнейшая комбинация цутц ридбергкр
@@user-hf7ks3sw7c у Щербаковой нет квад лутцп, она его не смогла осилить, поэтому и проигрывала Саше в юниорах. У нее фсхлип недовквад.
@@user-gp8xz6vi2c у неё есть лутц посмотрите чемпионат России 2021 года когда Аня после короны восстанавливалась там она 4 лутц исполнила а ещё на предыдущем чр когда она обошла и трусову и косторную . Смотрите внимательно всё турниры прежде чем утверждать и спорить !
Yuna Kim
Аленка🥺🤍
Такая точная и легкая и улучшала всегда свое ребро :)
Алёна Косторная лучшая ❤
I do not care for jumps as I cannot differ between double,triple,quadruple. An elegant ice skater is beautiful even without jumps!
LOVE Kostornaia but she should NOT be the 1st.
Странно видеть в этом рейтинге Щербакову и Хромых - у них плоские ребра и фуллблейд на луте. А вот у Цурской лутц шикарный. Раньше не видел её прыжки.
Странно видеть подобный коммент. Судьи никогда не обращали и не будут обращать внимание на ребра и фуллблэйд при выставлении GOE
@@kremer185 не обращают внимание на ребра при выставлении ГОЕ? Неофит, иди учи теорию! Плоское ребро или неверное ребро на прыжках НАПРЯМУЮ влияют на надбавки. При неверном ребре ГОЕ сразу уходят в минус. Так же фуллблейд/преротация являются одним из критериев выставления ГОЕ.
@@user-me4yx2yu1f человек, наверное, имел в виду, что судьи иногда почему-то не видят плоские ребра и отталкивания ребром вместо зубца ото льда у некоторых фигуристок
@@user-me4yx2yu1f не груби. Речь о прыжках без претензий от техпанели. Судьи, которые ставят GOE полагаются в этом на техпанель. Если у них высвечивает плоское или неясно от техпанели - снижают GOE, не высвечивается - не обращают внимание на ребра.
@@kremer185 first, judges would see which country the skaters are from or to be specific which club. Then only they will see the edge etc. Duhh!
У Алёны Косторной лучшие прыжки, высокие чёткие😃😍
Были
@@user-tn3cg6qp1o и остались, потому что красивее никто пока не умеет, особенно триксель
Все девочки с новой облегчённой техникой лутца крадут, прокручиваясь на зубце при отталкивании очень много. А вот со старой техникой шикарно.
Yuna Kim 👍✨
The ISU is a clownfiesta, the fact that most lutzes on the top 3 have full body techniques doing 1/2 pre rotation or 3/4 sometimes is a joke, to not mention that a lot of those toe loops are actually toe axels... like I used to be in love with the sport for years, but I just can't with it anymore, there's no actual merit to the ones who've been properly trained or properly natured into a healthy technique, like the fact that Yuna's Lutzes aren't on this list when she has one of the best if not the best 3Lz + 3T combos EVER performed, great deep edge, 1/4 pre rotation, great distance and height and then a proper toe lop with minimal pre rotation as well....
The ISU is a scam, and its crazy how we're in 2023 with these same old biased corrupted judges running this as a circus show on fire...
Hate my comment, its the truth, soo much fan girling and fetichising of these young gurls and hyping them up when they have TERRIBLE technique... and they're listerally destroying their bodies... look at figure skating prior to the 2010's when we actually had champions who've done the sport for decades, sure they weren't doing quads and crazy combos but they had healthy techniques and they respected their bodies, giving them long careers, look at Yuna Kim, Carolina Kostner, Michelle Kwan, Mao Asada (Mao had a shit lutz but she literally tried her best to rework her technique late in her career)....
GET MAD, IDGAF, these are my thoughts.
“mao had a shit lutz” lmao 💀 but she definitely tried her very best to rework it even though it never reached the textbook standard. the girls (especially russian) nowadays don’t even bother to do correct it (although i think alena improved her edge from junior to senior) and judges aren’t giving out edge calls even when it’s a clear inside edge
@@sxrxh5453 Another issue / trend is that a lot of these younger skaters from the last generations aren't properly fed cause they are skinny af and don't have enough muscle to rely on their legs to perform the jump, look at most skaters from the past, they have visually thicker and buffer legs, soo... these trainers who give these younger women these terrible techniques know it themselves if they don't keep their body weight low enough they won't be able to pre rotate their jumps as much, I'm no scientist but I'm pretty sure you need that skinny frail ass body to pull off pre rotation the way russian gurls do it.
That's another observation of mine, that's why we see all of them quitting down the line with severe back issues and eating disorders.
Different scoring system. That's why all jumps in this video are from 2018-19 to now.
Also Yuna always frontloaded her 3Lz+3T so she never got the 10% bonus that a backloaded 3Lz+3T would get. The jumps in this video are all backloaded.
Just to be clear I'm not saying that Kostornaia, Shcherbakova, Valieva, etc. have a good lutz technique or that their scores are justified lol. I'm just explaining why a skater like Yuna Kim who never competed under the current scoring system wouldn't have the highest scoring jumps today despite her flawless technique.
В общем Юна Ким и Лиза туктамышева имеют лучший лутц- > и самый красивый каскад. Была ещё девочка юниорка Берестовская, 3Лутц она делала шикарный по старой школе, но каскад не помню был или нет.
Clearly Kostornaia's edge was not a 'shallow outside'..
Polina is the 3Lz3T queen
Now 3Lz+3Lo Please🥺🥺🥺
적폐쉐르는 얼마나 비비는겨 덟븗인줄 ㅋㅋㅋ;;
Лиза, Юна, Полина, Ксения. И Саша, в том числе за сложность захода и за красивый выезд.
Surya Bonally is the best.
Every time a skater flails their arms around before jumping I think "here comes the pre-rotation", it is a telltale sign of too much torso rotation and reliance on the back to get rotations which often ends up causing injuries.
Sofia Samodelkina has the fastest rotation speed. Her quads truly do look like triples... (not including prerotation and whatnot)
It’s very clear what the judges reward, transitions in and out. It’s in the rule book also.
Ksenia is great!
Алена Косторная очень красива и грациозна на льду
Be fr, Yelim Kim should not be on the list. Pretty but she has a very obvious flutz
확실한건 지금 신소재부츠와
김연아시대의 부츠는 엄연한 차이가 있단말이지..
굳이 저 영상속의 연아말고도 다른 프로그램의 연아의 점프는 확실히 퀄리티가 다르다
Yuna kim is my only recommendation.🥰
About Sambo 70 skaters, maybe 🤔 only Polina has correct technique when she still competed. And she’s quite taller than most other girls
And you are a hater
Trusova too.
@@feyanormorfol2457 no
@@feyanormorfol2457 Alex Lutz include 3/4 prerotation, cheat rotation in the air, Loop entry
@@swanyu so prove it with the link to the actual ISU rule.
NOT with another Koola's fake "analyzing" video .
Most of the Russian skaters have bad technique, but they still get great scores. It's not fair to the athletes who do have it and are working hard to polish it up. Trusova, Kostornaia, Tuktamysheva and Polina are the exception, but the "highest scores are always those with the worst technique".
Indeed, the very last part has the best 3lz 3t 's.
yuna kim😍프리로테 하나만 놓고봐도 다른 선수들이 비빌수가 없음
could you at least get rid of some of them from the list, who by the way, had drug abusing or flutz or lootz but getting high goe... plz... especially Anna? how???????????? and without a doubt, of course valieva as well....
The image of Medvedeva in the explanation of Lutz technique is so hilarious…the lady of Sambo who began the Flutz tradition that lately morphed into a Flootz with the actual “Gold Olympic champion”, that is the only jump she can do besides a 2A.
And Vaileva, little miss Doping and the queen of woobly landings in 3rd is a joke.
@Looloo L haha your right. The amount of salty tears for Eteri skaters is laughable. No America lady had correct Lutz edges except maybe Tony Harding, and Nancy Kerrigan. The fact that Sarah Hughes got 4th in the short program in salt lake with that awful Lutz when in fact she should have been 10th.
I remember when I first stared to learn the jumps by watching Medvedeva's "Gold medal" performances, I was having issues because they all looked the same to me. Turns out it was her issue not mine 😂
@@zk9339 to be fair to Medvedeva, her edge jumps are okay, but she has terrible toe jumps ( and even worse double axel).
3Lz3T→Yuna Kim
3F3T→Carolina Kostner
3Lz3Lo→Miki Ando
3F3Lo→Mao Asada
I miss them so much...
The best 3Lz+3T did Carolina Kostner, but she did it only on junior level and at the start of senior career.
Мне нравится у Щербаковой. Вот есть что-то в ее прыжках
Si mal echos
отсутствие техники
@@varvarka_l она самая техничная. Любой судья вам это скажет. А то что тут «эксперты» выкладывают к реальности не имеет никакого отношения
@@fenharel99 хотите сказать у щербаковой хорошая техника? посмотрите на лутцы косторной и туктамышевой, и почуствуйте разницу. необязательно быть судьей, чтобы разбираться в правилах фк
@@fenharel99 вот это вы насмешили людей, Щербакова самая не техничная спортсменка, она походу вообще не знает , что такое техника и как раз-таки любой судья и специалист в области фк вам это докажет
У Синицыной далеко не лучший каскад.У Саши лучше каскад
Ну, кто бы сомневался! Для фанатов Трусовой, она самая- самая и прыгает лучше всех.😂
@@user-xm1rk7gj7c я имею в виду,что Саша должна была войти в тройку т.к. каскад у неё на данном видео выполнен чище и зрелещнее ,чем у Синицыной,но везде разное судейство.