She actually second to the creator stated by the Watcher. Meaning she behind TOAA/One above all. Living Tribunal, abstracts and god like beings were shown to fear Jean the most because she is the Phoenix and could destroy entire existence if she wanted to. She also judge to all life.
@@Scarletwitch1634 They're not equal. Tony Stark used that as metaphor describing how Scarlet destroys everything and Phoenix brings back life. Phoenix easily overwhelmed Scarlet and that wasn't even the full force that Jean possessed as Dark Phoenix. Even Scarlet Witch herself admitted that the Phoenix is beyond her power, it was Hope who had to let go of the Phoenix and cast her away temporarily.
@@BiG-JuPO1O1 yeah right because scarlet witch beat a more powerful pheonix force so yeah right and they are equal bud they are Ying and yang they oppose each other so you're wrong badly they are equal regardless and that was weak wanda not her at her powerful form
@@Scarletwitch1634 Lmao no she didn't and never did. She only faced a tiny fragments and got overwhelmed very easily. She couldn't even handle Dark Phoenix Cyclops whose weaker than Jean Dark Phoenix, who I said possess the full force at her will. Current Jean is the Phoenix and can call upon it when she wants to. She could easily channel her full potential as Crown of the White Phoenix.
With marvel universe the way it is...do you think it did and didn't happen...it probably has happened...but rewritten or reexplained to say she may or may not have
Hope summers did nothing but make phoenix leave & after that it was phoenix force itself who undid Wanda's unbreakable spell & technically Phoenix is Jean and Jean is Phoenix, we can also say that Jean undid Wanda's spell. Hope was useless & the Avengers were there just to get the hype for what would happen if two powerful teams clash. Issues didn't make sense😮💨
"everything is the second most powerful thing after the living tribunal" dude is just there as a power scale and gets bodied as soon he needs to do anything *sigh*
The living tribunal is the 2nd strongest in the multiverse, after an avatar of the one above all. The white Phoenix exists outside the marvel multiverse and is much more powerful than the living tribunal.
Imagine if Jean Grey heard about peter's life while having the white phoenix force. I would imagine all spiderman's struggles would be gone and she would be a mother figure to peter protecting him from all the bullshit he's been going through.
Its actually not true Hope Summer was the one to break Scarlet witch spell as she was the first mutant to born since the spell is casted Also scarlet witch doesnt control atoms, but she can manipulate REALITY which is a good deal
Bitch please. The Phoenix Force is a joke, it couldn't even reverse Wanda's spell until she agreed to do so herself to help one of its hosts and didn't do anything when Wanda collapsed the omniverse onto itself. Dr Doom once had pre retcon Beyonder's powers and called them NOTHING compared to a fraction of Wanda's power, and also made Phoenix Force Jean his herald. That's because Wanda's power (Chaos Magic) is a cosmic entity of its own
@XuanBachTrinh-of3pb WPOTC is the nexus of realities. White Hot Room is beyond the influence of House of M Wanda. Hope Summers was born due to WPOTC's bidding. Hope Summers being born mutant after Wanda's "No More Mutants" is such a big deal because Wanda's spell should made it impossible. But Jean made it possible.
Only thinking some random person with limited mental capacity achieve control over time, space and reality at will like some kind of god, gives me shivers.
It depends on the person who get this powers... Also someone with such power can undo wrongs as easily as it can do. Over time such a person would become lonely, it will start craving for company, making itself flesh and try to live a normal life as an ant...
To be exact there is no white Phoenix Force...the is only one Phoenix Force..white phoenix of the crown is the most powerful host with almost full power of the Phoenix Force..
2nd most powerful entity... beyonders, molecule man, the beyonder, hulk, toba, toaa, dreadnought venom can technically get there so can absorbing man since they both can steal powers and maybe Darwin could to if his power chooses to
@@BiG-JuPO1O1 the beyonders literally one tapped the living tribunal the beyonder himself can simply delete the Phoenix force and molecule man can do the same as he's literally the only man capable of matching the beyonder doctor doom figured out a way to absorb the power of the beyonder and become as powerful as the one above all hulk is the only being capable of going toe to toe with dreadnought who.was a multiversal threat and.hulks the only thing capable of wielding the power of toba in the entirety of marvel toaa and toba made the entire multiverse and are by all mean biblical gods with no start and no end venom can live forever and absorb enough power to recreate the universe in his image the Phoenix force isn't at the pinnacle of power its the guys who can and have wiped away the universe they live in like it's nothing or thrown around the multiverse
@@duke6965 No he cannot. Beyonder himself stated he is nothing to the Phoenix Force especially the one who welds it at full power. She literally exist outside reality, time and space itself. Nobody but TOAA could stop her.
@BiG-JuPO1O1 toba could stop her beyonders could stop her and where's your source for him stating that my friend? Cause until you add a source for him saying nah I can't do anything to Phoenix force its nothing but cap so go Find your source
@@duke6965 It's literally not cap, it's called reading comics and do your own research because nobody but TOAA could stop her. If you use logic, Phoenix cannot be destroy or killed. Every living creatures relies on her to live including gods/abstracts. The fact you said Venom and Hulk could defeat her tells me how little knowledge you have about comic books.
So a typical multiversal power, there's only a million of them in the marvel universe. Heck molecule man lived on earth and he's high outerverse levels of power. Lifebringer Galactus once said the molecule man could end him with a thought.
WPOTC is not that simple she can only exist as WPOTC inside the white hot room which is outside the multiverse where all of reality the multiverse the beginning the end what has been and what will be is the present
so what happens if pheonix from A univervers meet another pheonix from B universe? or every single pheonix from every single universe fight/re write timelines
@@thisisYashaswi tbh that's one of the best questions that I don't think is actually answered in the Marvel verse. Technically, when it comes to malevolent beings they almost never get added into the big picture scaling and almost seem to have their own bracket. So like TOBA would be top of the malevolent bracket with beings like Chumagorath, Cyterrack, Kython, Dormamu, and Mephisto all following after (excuse my spelling, I know it's incorrect) not necessarily in that order but somewhere in close proximity to each other. The cosmic entities have an easier hierarchy to follow but I would say TOBA is probably also above the Living Tribunal since it's supposed to be the antithesis to TOAA. Hopefully that makes sense.
@@BiG-JuPO1O1 someone already mentioned that but thanks. I have no doubt that specific version of Phoenix is that powerful but will we see that version again? The hierarchy starts getting questionable when cosmic entities have held a specific place forever and then in a specific timeline or narrative that order changes. Tribunal has set in 2nd place forever and changing that is cool if it's constant.
I love how there are powerful beings like these and that someone with mediocre power defeats them with some bullshit loophole.
for real!!!!
Batman is the perfect example😂
@@Boring6127because he's Batman! 🤷🏻♂️
Batman with prep time could defeat the one above all
True. There are crazy stupid writers who can create The One Above All from mere ant man
Comics: we can do everything you can think of
That's why they are trash
And yet be beated by a rich normal man in a Halloween costume
She actually second to the creator stated by the Watcher. Meaning she behind TOAA/One above all. Living Tribunal, abstracts and god like beings were shown to fear Jean the most because she is the Phoenix and could destroy entire existence if she wanted to. She also judge to all life.
Yeah same with SW both are second to toaa and chaos magic and pheonix force are like Ying and yang and equal but yeah she is second to toaa
@@Scarletwitch1634 They're not equal. Tony Stark used that as metaphor describing how Scarlet destroys everything and Phoenix brings back life. Phoenix easily overwhelmed Scarlet and that wasn't even the full force that Jean possessed as Dark Phoenix. Even Scarlet Witch herself admitted that the Phoenix is beyond her power, it was Hope who had to let go of the Phoenix and cast her away temporarily.
@@BiG-JuPO1O1 yeah right because scarlet witch beat a more powerful pheonix force so yeah right and they are equal bud they are Ying and yang they oppose each other so you're wrong badly they are equal regardless and that was weak wanda not her at her powerful form
@@Scarletwitch1634 Lmao no she didn't and never did. She only faced a tiny fragments and got overwhelmed very easily. She couldn't even handle Dark Phoenix Cyclops whose weaker than Jean Dark Phoenix, who I said possess the full force at her will. Current Jean is the Phoenix and can call upon it when she wants to. She could easily channel her full potential as Crown of the White Phoenix.
@@Scarletwitch1634 are you on crack? What are you talking about? This is not true.
Jean Grey didn't undo Scarlet Witch's spell. Hope Summers did.
With marvel universe the way it is...do you think it did and didn't happen...it probably has happened...but rewritten or reexplained to say she may or may not have
That doesn’t mean Jean Grey wasn’t capable of reversing Wanda’s spell. 💯
@@josephblue838he doesn't even mean it that way
@@josephblue838he didn’t say he can’t
Hope summers did nothing but make phoenix leave & after that it was phoenix force itself who undid Wanda's unbreakable spell & technically Phoenix is Jean and Jean is Phoenix, we can also say that Jean undid Wanda's spell. Hope was useless & the Avengers were there just to get the hype for what would happen if two powerful teams clash. Issues didn't make sense😮💨
"everything is the second most powerful thing after the living tribunal"
dude is just there as a power scale and gets bodied as soon he needs to do anything
*sigh*
To be fair Phoenix is the only one to be above him. Living Tribunal and other gods /abstracts shown to bow down to Jean as Phoenix.
@@BiG-JuPO1O1exactly
@@BiG-JuPO1O1And primordial chaos
The living tribunal is the 2nd strongest in the multiverse, after an avatar of the one above all. The white Phoenix exists outside the marvel multiverse and is much more powerful than the living tribunal.
Yes!
The One...TRUE PHOENIX.
Balls getting dipped in fire for the first picture is all I can see 😅
So you’re telling me the phoenix force would just be Jean grey in bird form.
Imagine if Jean Grey heard about peter's life while having the white phoenix force.
I would imagine all spiderman's struggles would be gone and she would be a mother figure to peter protecting him from all the bullshit he's been going through.
Peter's life isn't as bad as many other heroes in marvel he's just more popular so it gets talked about more often
She wouldn't change his life because she knows to well he just is the hero he is because he endure...
And people really thought Scarlett Witch was stronger 😂 Scarlett Witch doesn't have a SHOT IN HELL ❤
Well actually though Wanda can completely rewrite history Jean can only change the influence of her current time
Its actually not true
Hope Summer was the one to break Scarlet witch spell as she was the first mutant to born since the spell is casted
Also scarlet witch doesnt control atoms, but she can manipulate REALITY which is a good deal
Bitch please. The Phoenix Force is a joke, it couldn't even reverse Wanda's spell until she agreed to do so herself to help one of its hosts and didn't do anything when Wanda collapsed the omniverse onto itself. Dr Doom once had pre retcon Beyonder's powers and called them NOTHING compared to a fraction of Wanda's power, and also made Phoenix Force Jean his herald. That's because Wanda's power (Chaos Magic) is a cosmic entity of its own
@XuanBachTrinh-of3pb WPOTC is the nexus of realities. White Hot Room is beyond the influence of House of M Wanda. Hope Summers was born due to WPOTC's bidding. Hope Summers being born mutant after Wanda's "No More Mutants" is such a big deal because Wanda's spell should made it impossible. But Jean made it possible.
Well she's strong, but not that much : Sentry's reality alteration is explained to be much more powerful than hers
That's really cool!
Only thinking some random person with limited mental capacity achieve control over time, space and reality at will like some kind of god, gives me shivers.
It depends on the person who get this powers...
Also someone with such power can undo wrongs as easily as it can do.
Over time such a person would become lonely, it will start craving for company, making itself flesh and try to live a normal life as an ant...
The phoenix force is already so powerful, this is on another level
My Queen since the 90s 👑🪽📜🍀✨
Mine since 2024 December 😂
Anybody who saw the BALLS in the first clip
Franklin Richards: Show-off
Okay so one of dozens to do that
Very dope!... hey anyone know the song title ?
To be exact there is no white Phoenix Force...the is only one Phoenix Force..white phoenix of the crown is the most powerful host with almost full power of the Phoenix Force..
Guy that actually knows what hes talking about "Phoenix is 2nd most powerful next to the One above All basically the same really
Why do I get the feeling this might pop up in the MCU
Now if only she could gove peter a good torture free life
2nd most powerful entity... beyonders, molecule man, the beyonder, hulk, toba, toaa, dreadnought venom can technically get there so can absorbing man since they both can steal powers and maybe Darwin could to if his power chooses to
They can't at all. The Phoenix power is infinite and only Jean can control it at it's full power/The Crown of the White Phoenix.
@@BiG-JuPO1O1 the beyonders literally one tapped the living tribunal the beyonder himself can simply delete the Phoenix force and molecule man can do the same as he's literally the only man capable of matching the beyonder doctor doom figured out a way to absorb the power of the beyonder and become as powerful as the one above all hulk is the only being capable of going toe to toe with dreadnought who.was a multiversal threat and.hulks the only thing capable of wielding the power of toba in the entirety of marvel toaa and toba made the entire multiverse and are by all mean biblical gods with no start and no end venom can live forever and absorb enough power to recreate the universe in his image the Phoenix force isn't at the pinnacle of power its the guys who can and have wiped away the universe they live in like it's nothing or thrown around the multiverse
@@duke6965 No he cannot. Beyonder himself stated he is nothing to the Phoenix Force especially the one who welds it at full power. She literally exist outside reality, time and space itself. Nobody but TOAA could stop her.
@BiG-JuPO1O1 toba could stop her beyonders could stop her and where's your source for him stating that my friend? Cause until you add a source for him saying nah I can't do anything to Phoenix force its nothing but cap so go Find your source
@@duke6965 It's literally not cap, it's called reading comics and do your own research because nobody but TOAA could stop her. If you use logic, Phoenix cannot be destroy or killed. Every living creatures relies on her to live including gods/abstracts. The fact you said Venom and Hulk could defeat her tells me how little knowledge you have about comic books.
Fun videos, but I gotta say I'm getting reeeaal sick of the eerie background "music"
So a typical multiversal power, there's only a million of them in the marvel universe. Heck molecule man lived on earth and he's high outerverse levels of power. Lifebringer Galactus once said the molecule man could end him with a thought.
I hope you’re joking
WPOTC is not that simple she can only exist as WPOTC inside the white hot room which is outside the multiverse where all of reality the multiverse the beginning the end what has been and what will be is the present
nuh uh, the living tribunal serves under the god of the marvel universe: the one above all.
The Phoenix is a child of God.
Inside the multiverse yes TLT is more powerful because the WPOTC exists outside of the multiverse
When they say power creep isn’t real
Ur videos r cool. But ur soundtracks and the way u mix the volume is up way too high. The music isn't cool either
Is she more powerful than TOAA?
No
This guy isn't accurate often so great question because TOAA is No.1, Living Tribunal is 2nd
@@JamesWalker-gj2wcNo she’s more powerful than the living tribunal. His powers only extend to the far shore.
@@JamesWalker-gj2wc Ok. I feel like not enough people include TOAA
@@Millionth-m1o Agreed
I need to know the name of comic PLSS i beg u
Chipotle, force
Dr. Doom: Hey Molecule Man, do you think I can talk to her.
Hear me out though.
GYAT😂
so what happens if pheonix from A univervers meet another pheonix from B universe? or every single pheonix from every single universe fight/re write timelines
I think there is only one Phoenix. It is a multiversal being.
@@Archaic_AmbivertTheres different host and only 1 true phoenix.
Man everyone’s the strongest in the marvel universe
...and she can reverse spoilage....steal 80 cakes...roll perfect 20...and prevent 12 year olds from doing your mom
Bro why did u do carnage dirty 💀 one of the symbiote weakness is fire and phoneix is stronger fire 💀
I have creation manupulation copy create chakra nen aura magic haki
So basically a Dr Manhattan victim
Lied💀
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Bro really put the emo music
The best one
Wow ❤❤❤
Living Tribunal is after TOAA which makes Jean 3rd at best
We don't count TOAA. He is the whole Omniverse himself lol
Where do you put the "The One Below All" on the power scale?
@@thisisYashaswi tbh that's one of the best questions that I don't think is actually answered in the Marvel verse. Technically, when it comes to malevolent beings they almost never get added into the big picture scaling and almost seem to have their own bracket. So like TOBA would be top of the malevolent bracket with beings like Chumagorath, Cyterrack, Kython, Dormamu, and Mephisto all following after (excuse my spelling, I know it's incorrect) not necessarily in that order but somewhere in close proximity to each other. The cosmic entities have an easier hierarchy to follow but I would say TOBA is probably also above the Living Tribunal since it's supposed to be the antithesis to TOAA. Hopefully that makes sense.
She actually second to TOAA stated by the Watcher.
@@BiG-JuPO1O1 someone already mentioned that but thanks. I have no doubt that specific version of Phoenix is that powerful but will we see that version again? The hierarchy starts getting questionable when cosmic entities have held a specific place forever and then in a specific timeline or narrative that order changes. Tribunal has set in 2nd place forever and changing that is cool if it's constant.
But what about one above all and beyonder then 🗿if white ff is 2nd
His form within Marvel is weak compared to the True phoenix.
Yet Raven mops the floor with her 💀
Yeah keep coping😢
Dc comic cosmology got downgrade lmfao
@@Boring6127no he’s only saying that cause deathbattle made a dumb ass video on it😂😂
She really doesn't as Phoenix can exist outside of reality and entire existence.
Raven is floo
@@Boring6127 what? Really?
Comic writer be giving out the same powers just worded differently.
Multiverse, writers need to go more epic in scale. Is there anything else out there?
Seems a bit much.
why is every character can rewrite the universe?
You this is the strongest form of a abstract being?
this is awesome! next do too hottest female superheros! 😊👍
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Get a grip, G. 💀📸
Bro rewriting the universe is such an overused power
That all for soloed by manhattan
🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱
Yea man another character that can whatever
So so OP she can write herself an actually good comic about herself?
Shouldn't it be trans-universal or trans-cosmic telepathy?
God doom solos
No
Madam Web solos
Wpotc is second only to Toaa. Phoenix is on a higher state and power than the LT