Odd why they chose india, its notorious for its manufacturing inefficiency and numerous strikes and labour disputes. Plus their corporate tax structure is notoriously high.
@@MarcSpctr honestly china probably will have more clients for now than india,also it means indian automakers will have a better chance to make cars for india
@@30jugalvbiju74 lol, please go and see your bills . Taxes are high when it’s made in India , taxes are super high when not made in India , there is no low.
Not saying this is a good thing but personally I think it's a good step. Iphones are bought only by the top 1-2% of households in India so an extra 20-30k doesn't really matter that much to them especially since they're buying an expensive item as a status symbol. So it's a good way to generate revenue and then provide Production Linked Incentives to smartphone companies to build in India therefore creating employment, FDI and less imports
Yeah, since India is not a black box like China in terms of human rights, we see these issues before hand. Apple, being Apple, they'd want to fix these for public image reasons.
To be fair essentially, every single smart phone company on the market is terrible with human rights when it comes to manufacturing. To pretend it’s just one is letting an entire industry get away with it.
It's a complex issue with no one clear answer. The human rights issues are a problem but there's a reason these manufacturing plants have thousands of employees and no shortage of demand for jobs there. If you lived in abject poverty the conditions of working in a factory like this may very well be an improvement over your other choices. This is not to say that we should excuse the issues, or that we shouldn't all be willing to pay more to improve worker conditions. But if you do some research into it you will find places like Bangladesh where working in a factory is seen as a luxury job that thousands line up for days to try and obtain. It beats living on an arid plot of land, subsisting on only the meager food you can grow in the horrendous soil. By working one of these grueling jobs a lot of people secure futures for their family that would otherwise not be possible
I mean you india is not china, check out what happened to an iPhone assembly factory in Bangalore few months back when workers issues were not resolved.
Samsung is actually made in India, Apple is like assembled in India. That's why prices are not low or same in India. But Samsung has managed the prices pretty well.
It doesn't benefit customers in India. Earlier, when iphone was imported we were paying $1000 because of import taxes. Now that tax is gone because of local manufacturing, Apple didn't reduce the price to even match the American price of $800 because they want to maintain the "iPhone= luxury " status in India
That’s not how it works. There is no luxury status associated with iPhones in the west. Of course in a country of poor , where 90 percent people have nothing but 3 times food and maybe 5-10k to spare. Everything is an item of luxury. The 20 k phone is also a luxury for some , and for some a 100k phone is an item of luxury, it’s all relative. For some a Gucci tshirt is a luxury, for some a Levi’s jeans is a luxury, so don’t generalise luxury, it’s all relative. And Apple never saw itself as a luxury brand. The reason why you not just pay more on a 100k phone , or a 10k phone are the absurd taxes. Last time I remember, paying 20k in taxes for a consumer end device , that might last 2 years, it’s a horrible proposition even for the people who can afford.
Thus, if you are planning to buy the Apple iPhone 13 Pro Max, you need to know that you would need to pay a total of Rs. 40,034 as tax. Let that sink in.
Apple is not price gouging. Price differentials between different regional markets always comes down to government taxes and duties. Australians pay the same as Americans do for iPhones. 🇦🇺
Once coming out, it won't going back. I'm glad for India acquiring the productivity, it's the first step, more and more high tech industry will flow into India after this initial move. Congrats!
Our biggest problem was we were not making good use of our younger population which is very huge. In china , the government through its amazing policies was able to turn its huge young population into a skilled force. But slowly we are catching up. It is Very long road ahead.
Not happening. India has too many obstacles hindering it's progression i.e. politics, caste system, corruption, unstable government etc. You just name it.
You haven't mentioned the reason completely. 1. China is growing old and the workforce is getting expensive for Apple. So keep the profit margins same they are moving to countries like India and Vietnam. India has low wages still and moreover with India comes the added advantage of no IP theft and a democratic solution to problem. With China it is a dream.
I'd say it's mainly the remote, but still existing possibility that China invades Taiwan, or does something odd or crazy. Apple would be instantly screwed. Hence, they don't want to keep all their eggs in one Chinese basket.
Remember that apple aren't produce the phone, it's foxconn. And even thought they shift their production in India, they still need import many part from china
Hopefully it doesn't cost much. Before flying to Dubai, buying an iPhone there and then flying back to India was cheaper (including trqvel costs) than buying an iPhone in India directly.
Dubai will still be cheaper(in most cases) because the taxes here in India are very high. Of course, the difference between the Indian and Dubai price won't be as big anymore.
its because you pay 18% sales tax on phones in India and UAE refunds sales tax to tourist, Export duty not Sales tax is imposed on export which is 10%, effectively its zero percent as factory setups are build in SEZ get export duty refunded, even electricity and other infrastructure is cheaper in SEZ, concept copied from West china.
You had an point on the issues faced in India, if India would work on it and resolve it then it is an opportunity to get more and more "made in India" products.. Hope the co.s and the Indian govt move faster towards that... Thanks Cold Fushion..
India has a huge Demographic advantage. If we and our govt. manage to think wisely and implement good reforms. india would be the next china. sadly that isn't happening
TATA has shown interest in iPhone manufacturing recently. If that happens then a lot of supply chain for apple manufacturing will switch to India. And TATA has the best employee welfare reputation in India, it is considered equivalent of govt job in India. Even if they pay lower salary chance of employee agitation will be minimal.
Get over yourself. Working in these factories is wildly better than a lot of other jobs available to unskilled people. You see "working for $20 a day," I see "Working for above minimum wage and providing for my family." Don't expect factory workers in countries you know nothing about to work for $100k/year. Think about this the next time you see a LiveLeak video from a South Asian worker.
There were a lot of complaints from workers when the factories started. Thankfully, Indians have a right to protest. I think the issues are sorted out now.
Recently India became the fifth largest economy in the world. The workforce is very young, cheap and eager to work. Also if Apple wants cheap yet effective manufacturing, they have came at the right time and place. If successful, other companies will look to diversify manufacturing into India. Overall win win for all the stakeholders.
India was 5th largest economy back in 2016. Rupees converted into dollars when calculating GDP numbers, not for pounds. After Brexit, India become 5th largest in dollar term, and 3rd largest in PPP term long ago. Now, India has blown past 5th, and probably 4th largest economy.
The irony is that the base iPhone 14 variant is more expensive in India than the Pro varient in the US. This is tragic on many levels. Coz, India is not a rich country. America is. Yet iPhone is more expensive here, despite being manufactured here. Also the pro variant is almost 2000 dollars in India.
@@GPSniper1 oh hey brainiac, the tax is on iphones not manufactured in India, which means the pro models. But here, the non pro variants are also priced high, despite being made in India. The things is that earlier, the non-pro variants were not manufactured in India. Then Apple charged these high prices, but now, even after being manufactured here, Apple haven't reduced the prices. Understood ?
@@YashSharma-zp8yu Of course when i say they are evil, I am mostly referring to their governments. India has a track record of spying on their citizens, censoring and prosecuting journalists, students, and others for being outspoken against the government, having discriminatory laws against Muslims, having imprisonment without trial, the list goes on. Most of these things are what people have criticized China for as well, but you barely hear about it in the news simply because western nations are on better terms with India than China.
Bill Gates accepted he was wrong about India after Covid. India vaccinated 3 billion doses but China is still struggling. Never underestimate India. 🇮🇳
@@sorryi6685 Assembling is part of manufacturing. If you are talking about component manufacturing that is not done by Samsung but other companies like TSMC & Qualcomm.
@@joyg95 yes but it brings more manufacturing jobs to the country. As the ecosystem grows, even the suppliers will start moving to India. Eventually as things scale up, prices will go down while providing stable employment to thousands of people in the process.
1st + yes India is the place..even if it is bit slow in development. It is the future for Software and electronics . Reforms are slow because we are a democracy. But progress is assured and no abrupt falls. Slow and steady wins the race..steady, consistent, resilient, sedulous.
You mean manufacturing hub for the western world? I would rather we focus on our own companies. China has had their fare share of problems with pollution by becoming the world's manufacturing hub. Not to mention it is extremely demeaning to call your own citizens cheap labour. I personally do not agree with letting these Westerners exploit our people. Remember what happened at foxconn factory in karnataka?
Yes, and the company that handle this is from China, stuff is already happen in alot of SEA countries, the low level assembly work is done by people from the other country, the high level executive is from China. If democracy is a crutch, maybe we all should reevaluate why we are putting so much faith into a system that has not been proven to be any better. And LMAO at India not having abrupt falls
@@riturajsinghbais yes agreed..but that is the next phase. I beleive we cannot skip some stages until we have the know-how. Also we should not repeat the same mistake as china in exploiting us. It should have mutual benefit and collaboration/partnership is important as world is becoming a very small place.
"Set aside the obvious human rights violations" Yes let us ignore the exploitation of people, Apple's business strategies are obviously more important!
Yeah, I'm not sure how setting aside one of the strongest arguments against something, is how intelligent and honest people advocate for something. This is the second time in as many months that Dagogo has produced a video with an evident (but unspoken) agenda. If I want to be fed propaganda, I'll just switch on mainstream media. What on earth is this?
The human rights violations come at the hands of the CCP, which Apple has no problem turning a blind eye to as long as the labor is cheap. As much as I like to bash on Apple for this, every product made in China requires wearing blinders to the real cost of cheap labor.
@@j4genius961 if every other country is so evil except almighty USA why make not make everything in your own country instead on lecturing other countries how bad they are
The price of iPhone 14 is still high in India when compared to US for iPhone 14, 256 gb variant India price is $ 1127.6 In the US it is $899 If they shifted the production to India, shouldn't the price be at least equal if not less? Can someone please explain why?
I think Apple set the price it really does not matter which country is maybe taxes can increase the price but at the of the day who set the price is Apple.
It's due to customs duty levied. And for that to be waived off a certain percentage of above needs to manufactured in india. Currently it's only being assembled
Let me explain it quickly . They assemble the final product in India. That’s all. All the components like the electronics circuit board and camera modules , display etc all of them are imported. It would have been a different story if everything was made in India. They are just assembling it here. And every component they import , adds to the expense. It’s all a game of duties and taxes. Samsung, on the other hand does it all in-house . They build their phones from ground up in India.
@@pranaypratik1551 you put it even better. People when they read made in India , they don’t understand. It’s should have been assembled in India. Chips made in Taiwan , display in Korea and import duties of India lol.
We have never executed such massive cutting edge consumer product projects in India before. So I am a bit shaky on how smoothly this transition for Apple will go. We have our infamous bureaucracy, some crazy local governments and some other issues as you mentioned in the video. However, increasingly the confidence in the country is building back, things we couldn't imagine being done here are happening. So I wish Apple is happy in hindsight after a few years of effort. Great video as always
You have a vague idea about what cutting edge consumer product is and also about that part where you don't have any idea what India is exporting to the world 😀😂
We? Who’s we? If you don’t know about something, better keep your expert opinion to yourself and I’m saying this who works for American clients so I know well what we are doing.
@@Aashu299 Is that so?. Coincidentally I also work with foreign clients. Tell me which cutting edge consumer products are designed, built and exported out of our country? Just give me a list of 10.
@@MK-yj7pn Bhai TCS ka naam suna h? Kis business me h wo? Infosys? Sare projects US companies k h. Tiffany, Estée Lauder, pata kr le inka imports kitna h India se.
@@pocopreneuronly457 Maybe I don't. But if I was wrong, nobody would be surprised on Apple, Samsung etc building stuff in India. Maybe there are dozens of high end consumer product companies of like smartphones, engines, semiconductors that I don't know about. Remind me a few.
Sir if you are from USA or from any other western countries you should say Indo-Pacific not asia-pacific this is what western countries use. asia-pacific is used by russia and china and their other lackeys
That is not true. Foxconn is owned by a Taiwanese man. China steals ideas from apple. If Taiwan gets invaded by China then Apple crashes. Many companies are leaving China because the government steals their ideas and sells them cheaper undercutting companies like apple. USA is trying to slow china's growth
I live in India. They made the 13 here also. But it still cost 75k rupees. What's the point of making it here if you're not passing on even a little bit of cost benefits to consumers. People here are crazy about the iPhone, it's a signalling device for most people. Most of it's really great features are hardly used by people here. But imagine how much it would sell if it became a little more affordable.
Apple is not price gouging. Price differentials between different regional markets always comes down to government taxes and duties. Australians pay the same as Americans do for iPhones. 🇦🇺
Brilliant step. Now we need manufacturing of low end semiconductors gradually moving to the top of the line ones. Also a massive push is required for production on solar wafers in India but 2 good things : A lot of manufacturing is moving out China & a large portion of it is coming to India
Semiconductors are made in Taiwan, which is not under the control of China. Also semi conductors are far to complex and advanced, they require technology and manufacturing facilities that is not present in any country other than Taiwan. Even if low end semi conductors were produced, making the jump to high end semiconductors will require decades of research and billions of dollars in funding (USA and China have been trying for years and haven't even reached 10% of the semiconductor advancement that Taiwan has achieved). Plus, the people of Taiwan are unlikely to share their methods of manufacturing and technologies as it is one of the most profitable sectors of their economy and the one of the most important things preventing China from launching an all out invasion.
lmao semiconductor manufacturing is whole another headache,doubtful that tsmc or intel or samsung gonna bring there fab to india,usa is literally giving away billions of dollars to bring their fab to usa,and india's own semiconductors are decades behind
@@anirudhmathur5555 Nope. The biggest misinformation regarding fabs is they are just top of the line. India is not targeting top notch bleeding edge tech chips of 5nm and lower. Initially India is targeting the chips used in IoT devices and other electronics industries. You see the share for chips used in phones are very less compared to its use elsewhere.
I like how India is still shown as a land of slums and rickshaw pullers. We have come a long way (?) from being snake charmers to rickshaw pullers living in slums. Western media cannot wrap head around India's achievements in so less available resources
i like how you put yet in the end XD, don't worry it's been 75 years since india has been a democracy, India's democracy is now matured so don't worry.
US China relations are quite tense presently. I don't blame apple or any other company dependant on manufacturing for shopping elsewhere. My only concern is that if the tension doesn't subside I could see an eventual war of sorts. I don't think anyone wants that.
@@aboutraore6754 China is not "coming out on top". 600 million people live on $140 a month there. I would encourage you to watch Peter Zeihan - The End of the World is Just the Beginning
@@aboutraore6754 they’re not targeting China. Why is China shipping fentanyl to Mexico to smuggle into the US and kill hundreds of thousands of people per year? Expecting market access in the US and fully owning companies in the US and EU, but not letting foreigners own companies in China and forcing them into minority ownership 51/49 so they can steal technology and get their own companies to make it. Artificially keeping the Chinese Yuan currency low by pegging it at 7:1 to the US dollar so they can continue their export model. I could go on and on, but if you watch Peter Zeihan - The End of the World is Just the Beginning, it will explain the entire world Geopolitical situation very well so you see the big picture
It’s not Apple’s or any other company’s job, to worry about human rights. That’s the country’s government job, where they’re are producing the products. If they make rules, Apple has to follow them. So don’t twist the truth.
India had a huge opportunity to pick up where China left But we screwed up big time and missed the bus Countries like Vietnam, Indonesia and Philippines will race ahead of India like China, South Korea and Japan did in the past
There will be challenges for India. But That's how we grow. Many companies already manufacture in India and with Apple increasing its investment in India will force many suppliers to move to India as well and that's how ecosystem grows, with those suppliers comes the other manufacturers as well. And Indian government is keen on bringing tech manufacturing to India as we have less of smart youth who can work in IT / Softwares and more jobless hopeless folks who will be great labors.
The only real problem with India as a place for international companies to work is that work-safety and regulations are just really bad in India. That's a hard problem to tackle. But that's pretty much the only barrier in the way! India is in a way better position to be a global manufacturing hub, including for big businesses like Apple, especially when compared to China. The only thing China has going for it is that all the investment that has been done over the last 10 years (which they're currently ruining).
yeah more will follow as it makes general industry logistics easier with companies facing the same challenges. it's basically exploiting the country for profit, but brings in a lot for India's economy and can only be good
@Christian Lopez you can't make anything in US. Because of labour rate. Companies profit will decrease by 70-80% if they started making products in US.
@Christian Lopez yes that's why US companies make product outside America so that they can make profit. In india a labour or worker can work for 10$ per day. While same worker will work for 70-80$ per day in USA due to cost of living.
@@joyg95 I actually did. It's sad to see that we're loyal to a fault. To our financial detriment and otherwise. E.g I've had my LG G5 for 6yrs and it switches off randomly but I don't want to buy a new flagship phone because of the financial implications.
@@joyg95 I agree iPhone changes are lackluster this year. But 20% performance increase 30% battery increases, machine learning models developed to detect car crashes, swimming strokes, period and ovulation tracking is not « the same phone as last year ». Every year immense technological changes to micro chip configuration and to the way mathematical models are run behind the scenes as well as security and cryptography protocols are not « the same phone as last year ». You’re just probably nowhere near technical, mathematical or engineering domains and fail to comprehend the enormous efforts and breakthroughs made by top level engineers at apple. It IS TRUE though that we have reached a point where most of the technologies developed by apple are getting niche and advanced, and for the average user that does not know how to use the new photo functionalities, doesn’t use it outside of a call, doesn’t use it for health tracking, doesn’t expect his phone to automatically call rescue services when he is slowly dying on the side of the road unable to move, sure the new phones of today are the same as the previous ones.
@@kaourintintamine1383 lol look at you trying to justify the idiocracy of apple fanboys by pointing out meaningless features that no one will use. To address some of your breakthrough features increased battery in a iPhone is still very low compared to most Android phones not to mention no fast charging i mean they don't even get a charger because the top level engineers at apple decided selling it separately will make them more money (genius ik), every new gen chip if it's from a phone or a computer always just it's faster it won't be useful to regular customers unless it's a few generations apart just download one of the many apps available to track your menstrual cycle, how can i forget i always wanted to see my swimming strokes because i most definitely take my phone into the water with me and iPhone changes haven't been lackluster this year they have been for years. If people want to justify wasting their money on Apple they can but don't try to fool anyone but yourself because the only innovative thing apple does every year is to create new problems for their customers that they can benifit off of like removing the headphone jack when they are about to release airpods or ditching the chargers to promote magsafe etc.
We don't appreciate Samsung enough for completely REVOLUTIONIZING India's tech manufacturing sector. Ever since they set up THE LARGEST SMARTPHONE FACTORY IN THE WORLD here in India, every other brand is now catching up and setting up factories here.
I'm glad that these giants are looking towards Indian labour market as its benifits will be two fold, firstly this will reduce India's labour outsourcing and secondaly, Indian industry (except for a few exception) has largely been discoganised and lacking in innovation (mfg in perticular). These overseas companies bringing their experience in manufacturing to Indian market will do wonders for the country as it did for China 3 decades ago.
Iphone 14 pro max costs 999 usd around 79k rupees in foreign countries. While in india it costs 1 lakh 40 thousands rupees which is double of 999usd. Tax should inscrease it to 1 lakh at best not 1 lakh 40 thousand.
Apple isn’t the first to do this. Many other firms have done it and will continue for three main reasons: uncertainty with China, lower labor costs in India, and need to diversify. This is bad news for Chinas their economy is now “struggling” (by China standards) and China is near crisis in housing, banking and demographics.
@@hermannabt8361 Apple is not price gouging. Price differentials between different regional markets always comes down to government taxes and duties. Australians pay the same as Americans do for iPhones. 🇦🇺
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b you need taxes on imports to keep balanced sheets. Even though iphone is assembled in India - 90% of it's price still comes from components and none of the component is made in India thus 90% of the phone price still will get taxed - assembly of the phone even though one of most important is still only small fraction of the phone cost. I personally don't get it why folk in China or India are so keen on bidding so low on this last step of putting phone together when all the rest components are produced in factories in Korea, Japan, Europe, US where working conditinos and salaries are multifold better. You could increase assembly price twice, give twice bigger pay to workers assembling the phone, and still only add 5-10% markup on final product price. I am glad to hear that the folk in India have voiced issue of poor food and poor pay - unlike Chinese counterparts who happily come to work for peanuts - we need more people like this who demand decent conditions.
It's good that Apple is manufacturing in India but unfortunately, the prices won't drop for consumers. An iPhone is still more expensive for Indians as compared to US citizens despite the huge disparity in the standards of living.
And be replaced by African countries once India rose in salaries to today's China levels, left with nothing but a void and social distress even greater than today. Oh yes, cheer them on. Much joy.
I think the move is more a a strategic one to gain entry into the Indian Market. That's a free market that Apple has no share of due to high import taxes of the devices. Being able to manufacture in India will drive the cost of the iPhone down in India and provide Indian consumers an opportunity to purchase iPhones. It creates a stable new manufacturing hub for Apple while also opening up the last major market that they have not penetrated yet.
Actually, Apple doesn't pass on the savings from reduced duty to customers in India. We still pay the more than what the US pays for the same device. And the tax rate we have on mobile phones is about 18% which is only 8% more than the US(5-10% I'm not sure) so clearly Apple wants to squeeze more out of us.
India's🇮🇳 share in iPhone manufacturing over the years- 2015- 0% 2016- 1.5% 2020- 5% 2022- 7% (estimates) Slowing but surely india is grabbing its due share in tech manufacturing
@@thebestevertherewas phone component isn't just a chip lol. There are plenty of electronic component that made in china like, if, motherbowrd, battery, etc
And I love how happily apple still doesnt decrease the prices for made in models which are reduced due to less taxes and has no intention to paas the benefit... Sad.
I laughed on the part about security. China hasn’t done a good job of this since we’ve known about products (looks, specs etc) coming out months before they do.
e sim is available in all three major telecom companies of india. But few use because very less phones support. Also physical sim is quite easy to purchase and handle. 🤣 Every one should use e sim. It is secure than normal.
As Modi says - Make in India, make for the World. Rest all remaining constant, Modi's PLI Scheme (Production Linked Incentive Scheme) is a real game changer!
Offcourse when American or European talk about the manufacturing of their products in India they have to talk about the poor state of Indian supply chain. But these people have no idea on India's supply chain of Medicines or Agricultural products are. Their companies beg to enter India but these people always have to cite and show the chaos of India. Such a Shame.
While the video is meant to be positive, the least you could do is show newer videos from India. These videos are literally 20yrs old and the GDP is 10x now. The country looks very very different now.
Current Indian govt is welcoming the investors like never before. The revolt situation was created by the forces in india who work for the chinese elements not because of the food or pay which was settled later as we have a strong govt now. India is a strong alternative as there is democracy there unlike china and we share same values as the US which would make India a best place with cheap labour market and skilled staff. India is the future.
It is only good business to diversify your supply chain. For a company that likes to have control over its own future, it has been surprising to me that Apple had almost all its eggs in one basket (so to speak), for as long as it did. Rising tensions and the possibility of a Taiwan invasion in the coming years has forced Apple to sure up its supply chain better than what it had. In an instance where global sanctions need to be placed on China, it could be catastrophic for companies that do a large majority of their manufacturing in China.
I guess workers in China are costing too much and have decent conditions now, so they have to find somewhere cheaper. Then a few years down the line Apple will produce a report on how they improved standards there after they've made enough cash.
Another insightful comment! China is moving upwards towards Japan's realm of business. Its a nice trivia to remember that before China, it's Japan who was the word's China in the 80s and 90s. Then a lot of companies moved away from Japan as its labor cost increases to China and the same is happening to China from India. Did Japan collapse after the abandonment of low cost western companies? It didn't. What more with China and its gargantuan population of market?
@@siarnaqfrost4968 Japan is still doing pretty poorly since their trade war with the US. Their gamble on tourism was looking good until Covid struck. How many premier Japanese tech brands do you see these days? My partner unfortunately graduated her masters in Kyoto around ~2010. Her, like a lot of her fellow graduates needed to migrate away for work in their respective fields.
Apple watch left China for Vietnam, the article I read said China's continued lock downs were having devastating effects on there business. People want to leave China.
Thank you CF for this very informative information as always. Given all the hoops Apple and other companies have to jump through and $$ spent on transferring in between countries and all security expenses and overhead to oversea all that … it would be very good to know the approximate cost if the iPhone is manufactured in the USA (with some import parts / components, of course).
@@acrush9340 i guess you need to read them properly. Previously iPhones were imported in India which attracted Import Taxes and Custom Duties on top of GSTs. and now that they are manufacturing it here, prices should go down but that is not the case, the prices are the same as 13 series. So maybe you need to read invoices properly.
Apple is not price gouging. Price differentials between different regional markets always comes down to government taxes and duties. Australians pay the same as Americans do for iPhones. 🇦🇺
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b read my previous reply and watch the video. For new companies that are Starting manufacturing in India, govt is infact giving them compensations. so compared to 13 series, 14 series: 1. Has no Import Taxes and Custom Duties, and Freight Costs. 2. Is getting compensation from the govt. and yet the prices of 14 series is the same as 13 series. so it is not govt or taxes it is APPLE that is ripping us off. compare Samsung's prices worldwide and in India vs Apple prices.
More than anything, Apple manufacturing in India will help expand their business significantly. iPhones are the most sought after premium smartphones in India and by a long shot. Quite a few phones are imported by residents due to taxes levied, inturn increasing the price. If iPhones are produced in India, the prices come down due to govt subsidies and lower taxes, and folks will quickly transition to iPhones. Indias middle class is growing extremely quickly, and it's one opportunity Apple can't miss if it wants to continue growing at this pace globally..
Proud of my country that we are now manufacturing one of the biggest brand's phones. Just a matter of time when everyone comes here to make it a manufacturing hub
It will take time cuz apple still not have parts manufacturers in India they have to import it from outside (apple try to do this but our govt.. even more smart 😂😝 they taxed same on that parts too 🗿 so now apple finally opening parts manufacturing too it's in progress now soon until 17-18 iPhone price will be lower than all of the world )
@@svanimation8969 there wont be any parts manufactured in india, because india doesnt even have a microchip manufacturing industry, let along chip design industry, lol.
When ever a foreigner youtuber or msm makes a video about INDIA ,they usually use video footage from 2000 . I Don't know why! tho this video is making some great point.
India would probably have cheaper labor and more flexibility due to fewer regulations. However there will be an inherent lack of discipline which the Chinese have in droves. As powerful as the BJP is, they can't command Indian workers the way the CCP can theirs so there will definitely be lesser efficiency in production. I'm glad my countrymen get better jobs and investment, but it'll be interesting to see how this goes
yes, it is a far stretch to think india as the new manufacturing HUB, current reality is very far from that. There is an overall lack off discipline and actual eduation level is low by international standards, which is really not the case for chinese. There is also a big lack of entrepreneurship, contrary to china where tens and hundreds thousand companies are not the facts of foreigners, but chinese themselves, and are feeding a very large part of the international consumer goods market. How many mass product do we see from india? zero, india could nto even make a smartphone, and those products existing for inner market are very far from international standards. Also big brands manufacturing in india are not a sign of anything, because they just bring their process and standards whereever they go, using local low skills workers on the chain mainly and few carefully selected engineers to run the production lines.
Please stop showing 20's videos of India...there are more copyright free videos about India as you show about China...still very "Western mindset" about India...never mind our GDP numbers will show the world what we're capable of. 🤗🇮🇳❤️
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It’s already been happening Samsung, Honda and many others have already started to make the switch.
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Samsung has switched for the past couple of years their flagship devices have been manufactured in Vietnam.
and at the same time Ford and Harley going out. also tesla still choosing china over India.
Odd why they chose india, its notorious for its manufacturing inefficiency and numerous strikes and labour disputes. Plus their corporate tax structure is notoriously high.
@@MarcSpctr honestly china probably will have more clients for now than india,also it means indian automakers will have a better chance to make cars for india
Next video: How is the Iphone pricing still magically remaining the same in India..!
making tax, selling tax, tax tax, tax tax tax that's it
Blame the government for the taxes.
@@AbbasDalal1000 lol noo...taxes are basically the less when it's made in india
@@30jugalvbiju74 lol, please go and see your bills . Taxes are high when it’s made in India , taxes are super high when not made in India , there is no low.
Not saying this is a good thing but personally I think it's a good step. Iphones are bought only by the top 1-2% of households in India so an extra 20-30k doesn't really matter that much to them especially since they're buying an expensive item as a status symbol. So it's a good way to generate revenue and then provide Production Linked Incentives to smartphone companies to build in India therefore creating employment, FDI and less imports
I like how almost everyone just goes "human rights issues aside..."
Gotta have that iPhone!!
It was not the main focus of the video
Yeah, since India is not a black box like China in terms of human rights, we see these issues before hand. Apple, being Apple, they'd want to fix these for public image reasons.
To be fair essentially, every single smart phone company on the market is terrible with human rights when it comes to manufacturing. To pretend it’s just one is letting an entire industry get away with it.
It's a complex issue with no one clear answer. The human rights issues are a problem but there's a reason these manufacturing plants have thousands of employees and no shortage of demand for jobs there. If you lived in abject poverty the conditions of working in a factory like this may very well be an improvement over your other choices.
This is not to say that we should excuse the issues, or that we shouldn't all be willing to pay more to improve worker conditions. But if you do some research into it you will find places like Bangladesh where working in a factory is seen as a luxury job that thousands line up for days to try and obtain. It beats living on an arid plot of land, subsisting on only the meager food you can grow in the horrendous soil. By working one of these grueling jobs a lot of people secure futures for their family that would otherwise not be possible
I mean you india is not china, check out what happened to an iPhone assembly factory in Bangalore few months back when workers issues were not resolved.
Samsung is actually made in India, Apple is like assembled in India. That's why prices are not low or same in India.
But Samsung has managed the prices pretty well.
Samsung phones made South Korea well my Galaxy S20 Ultra was.
@@RobertK1993 They started manufacturing the S-series in India a couple of months ago
Mine is made in Vietnam.
@@xero4479 which country?
For now only for the domestic market.
It doesn't benefit customers in India.
Earlier, when iphone was imported we were paying $1000 because of import taxes. Now that tax is gone because of local manufacturing, Apple didn't reduce the price to even match the American price of $800 because they want to maintain the "iPhone= luxury " status in India
Thats riduculous, so they are just keeping the profits ?
@@nboy7 yea
That’s not how it works. There is no luxury status associated with iPhones in the west. Of course in a country of poor , where 90 percent people have nothing but 3 times food and maybe 5-10k to spare. Everything is an item of luxury. The 20 k phone is also a luxury for some , and for some a 100k phone is an item of luxury, it’s all relative. For some a Gucci tshirt is a luxury, for some a Levi’s jeans is a luxury, so don’t generalise luxury, it’s all relative. And Apple never saw itself as a luxury brand. The reason why you not just pay more on a 100k phone , or a 10k phone are the absurd taxes. Last time I remember, paying 20k in taxes for a consumer end device , that might last 2 years, it’s a horrible proposition even for the people who can afford.
Thus, if you are planning to buy the Apple iPhone 13 Pro Max, you need to know that you would need to pay a total of Rs. 40,034 as tax. Let that sink in.
Apple is not price gouging. Price differentials between different regional markets always comes down to government taxes and duties. Australians pay the same as Americans do for iPhones. 🇦🇺
Once coming out, it won't going back. I'm glad for India acquiring the productivity, it's the first step, more and more high tech industry will flow into India after this initial move. Congrats!
India is still mostly allied with China.
@@DrIcchan things don't shift in one night, there're still many disputes between the 2, we'll see.
Our biggest problem was we were not making good use of our younger population which is very huge. In china , the government through its amazing policies was able to turn its huge young population into a skilled force. But slowly we are catching up. It is Very long road ahead.
uh no, they will still stay there, manufacturing in china won't go away, this is competition and it's great for us consumers.
Not happening. India has too many obstacles hindering it's progression i.e. politics, caste system, corruption, unstable government etc. You just name it.
You haven't mentioned the reason completely.
1. China is growing old and the workforce is getting expensive for Apple. So keep the profit margins same they are moving to countries like India and Vietnam. India has low wages still and moreover with India comes the added advantage of no IP theft and a democratic solution to problem. With China it is a dream.
I'd say it's mainly the remote, but still existing possibility that China invades Taiwan, or does something odd or crazy.
Apple would be instantly screwed.
Hence, they don't want to keep all their eggs in one Chinese basket.
Still the majority is produced in China and India mainly does production for the local market
@Vital Perspective nice spamming crusade you're on here 🤓👍
@Vital Perspective All countries with high-quality manufacturing started with cheap quality
Remember that apple aren't produce the phone, it's foxconn. And even thought they shift their production in India, they still need import many part from china
Hopefully it doesn't cost much.
Before flying to Dubai, buying an iPhone there and then flying back to India was cheaper (including trqvel costs) than buying an iPhone in India directly.
It will decrease cost.
Dubai will still be cheaper(in most cases) because the taxes here in India are very high. Of course, the difference between the Indian and Dubai price won't be as big anymore.
@@rohanb0110 Taxes were high coz it was imported but now when it’s being manufactured in india, I think there might be less taxes involved
its because you pay 18% sales tax on phones in India and UAE refunds sales tax to tourist, Export duty not Sales tax is imposed on export which is 10%, effectively its zero percent as factory setups are build in SEZ get export duty refunded, even electricity and other infrastructure is cheaper in SEZ, concept copied from West china.
@@Dr_AK33 I agree! This is why I wrote the price difference won’t be as big as it used to be.
You had an point on the issues faced in India, if India would work on it and resolve it then it is an opportunity to get more and more "made in India" products.. Hope the co.s and the Indian govt move faster towards that... Thanks Cold Fushion..
If Nigeria would work on their problems etc etc. But they haven't. That's the problem.
@@KyleHubb action and results can only show the truth, and apple's India move is the testimony, so let the other companies vote with their note too.
If the mncs try to exploit human resources then Indian labor unions will f××k them up. Won't let the corrupt govt exploit workers 👷♂️
India has a huge Demographic advantage. If we and our govt. manage to think wisely and implement good reforms. india would be the next china. sadly that isn't happening
dont think they would care about the issues
TATA has shown interest in iPhone manufacturing recently. If that happens then a lot of supply chain for apple manufacturing will switch to India. And TATA has the best employee welfare reputation in India, it is considered equivalent of govt job in India. Even if they pay lower salary chance of employee agitation will be minimal.
@Zack Smith they are thinking about that too maybe
No matter where Apple moves its factory, it will always be exploitative to the people working in there.
Can't see the forest for the trees, mate.
Get over yourself. Working in these factories is wildly better than a lot of other jobs available to unskilled people.
You see "working for $20 a day," I see "Working for above minimum wage and providing for my family." Don't expect factory workers in countries you know nothing about to work for $100k/year.
Think about this the next time you see a LiveLeak video from a South Asian worker.
Everyone does it
There were a lot of complaints from workers when the factories started. Thankfully, Indians have a right to protest. I think the issues are sorted out now.
The main thing is just not wanting to fund communists
Hi Dagogo,
Love your videos & analysis.
There is a small mistake @5:22, it's actually Indo-Pacific.
Its not a case of instability in China, it's the trade wars and sanctions companies are worried about.
你是中国人吗？你有什么资格评论中国？
@@spacefreedom 外国人不能评论中国？ 那中国人也不能评论其他国家？
@@spacefreedom so imagine if I told you “are you American? Do you have a right to talk about America?”
@@joseph3036 你了解中国吗？你去过中国吗？你没有发言权。 ua-cam.com/video/6e-AZMMGBBw/v-deo.html
@@spacefreedom 按照你的逻辑，去过中国的才有发言权？
Wait for India to challenge US economic supremacy, and suddenly we'll see human rights issues, visits to Pakistan, and so on
Won't happen. India is too diverse to do that.
well india is a democracy so...
@@srimanjha5112 in name only. At least you all can still organize farmer protests
@@burntnougat5341 lol then you have flawed definition of democracy
@@srimanjha5112 yup, a nice corrupt democracy but I'm repeating myself.
Recently India became the fifth largest economy in the world. The workforce is very young, cheap and eager to work. Also if Apple wants cheap yet effective manufacturing, they have came at the right time and place. If successful, other companies will look to diversify manufacturing into India. Overall win win for all the stakeholders.
Most importantly, India is a democracy.
India was 5th largest economy back in 2016. Rupees converted into dollars when calculating GDP numbers, not for pounds. After Brexit, India become 5th largest in dollar term, and 3rd largest in PPP term long ago. Now, India has blown past 5th, and probably 4th largest economy.
@@MrDosonhai well...
@@MrDosonhai democracy dosent matter if idiots keep voting the wrong leaders
India is very polluted and treats their women horribly.
The irony is that the base iPhone 14 variant is more expensive in India than the Pro varient in the US. This is tragic on many levels. Coz, India is not a rich country. America is. Yet iPhone is more expensive here, despite being manufactured here. Also the pro variant is almost 2000 dollars in India.
india tax the iphone fool. blame the gov
@@GPSniper1 oh hey brainiac, the tax is on iphones not manufactured in India, which means the pro models. But here, the non pro variants are also priced high, despite being made in India. The things is that earlier, the non-pro variants were not manufactured in India. Then Apple charged these high prices, but now, even after being manufactured here, Apple haven't reduced the prices. Understood ?
@@GPSniper1 Then explain me how Samsung is selling their phones at the same price? Is the govt taxing only iPhones?
@@niwashlarc4599 exactly... Samsung is selling at the same price, which means its apple who is increasing the price.
I'm rooting for you, India! Good luck!
Choosing between India and China is mostly picking between a lesser of 2 evils.
@@dibby1045 Which country are you from? Pretty sure your country is "more evil" than India.
@@dibby1045 In what way India is evil?
@@YashSharma-zp8yu Of course when i say they are evil, I am mostly referring to their governments. India has a track record of spying on their citizens, censoring and prosecuting journalists, students, and others for being outspoken against the government, having discriminatory laws against Muslims, having imprisonment without trial, the list goes on. Most of these things are what people have criticized China for as well, but you barely hear about it in the news simply because western nations are on better terms with India than China.
@@dibby1045 well, western nations come in way front ranking-wise in that category. Ever heard of XkeyScore?
Bill Gates accepted he was wrong about India after Covid. India vaccinated 3 billion doses but China is still struggling. Never underestimate India. 🇮🇳
Fun Fact: World's Largest Smartphone Manufacturing unit is owned by Samsung and it is situated in Noida, India.
Yeah its 5 KM away from my house....its big
More like assembling unit.
@@sorryi6685 it is a manufacturing unit!
@@sorryi6685 Assembling is part of manufacturing. If you are talking about component manufacturing that is not done by Samsung but other companies like TSMC & Qualcomm.
I am sure that India is happy about that. This is a pretty big deal for them.
Not an iPhone fan myself, but you know they are well made.
It will not benifit Indian consumer they still sell it for the same price even without import taxes to add
India is happy but no so satisfied until we achieve the same level of manufacturing as China .
@@joyg95 yes but it brings more manufacturing jobs to the country. As the ecosystem grows, even the suppliers will start moving to India. Eventually as things scale up, prices will go down while providing stable employment to thousands of people in the process.
@@berniecat8756 exactly
Not if they r made in India.
Any day, Any time, Anywhere..... I'm with ColdFusion
It's new thinking
@Don't Read My Profile Photo u r gae
@Don't Read My Profile Photo ok
From Kenya, always waiting for the next episode
1st + yes India is the place..even if it is bit slow in development. It is the future for Software and electronics . Reforms are slow because we are a democracy. But progress is assured and no abrupt falls. Slow and steady wins the race..steady, consistent, resilient, sedulous.
Wow so cool
You mean manufacturing hub for the western world?
I would rather we focus on our own companies. China has had their fare share of problems with pollution by becoming the world's manufacturing hub. Not to mention it is extremely demeaning to call your own citizens cheap labour.
I personally do not agree with letting these Westerners exploit our people. Remember what happened at foxconn factory in karnataka?
Yes, and the company that handle this is from China, stuff is already happen in alot of SEA countries, the low level assembly work is done by people from the other country, the high level executive is from China. If democracy is a crutch, maybe we all should reevaluate why we are putting so much faith into a system that has not been proven to be any better.
And LMAO at India not having abrupt falls
"democracy" lmao
@@riturajsinghbais yes agreed..but that is the next phase. I beleive we cannot skip some stages until we have the know-how. Also we should not repeat the same mistake as china in exploiting us. It should have mutual benefit and collaboration/partnership is important as world is becoming a very small place.
I am Indian and I would love, if bigger companies come in India but not at cost of human rights.....
That's impossible
may india have a high trade surplus and surpass china in future
@@ssd6862 impossible, India is 30 years behind
"Set aside the obvious human rights violations" Yes let us ignore the exploitation of people, Apple's business strategies are obviously more important!
@@YuvrajSingh-vi9yc $$=human suffering
Yeah, I'm not sure how setting aside one of the strongest arguments against something, is how intelligent and honest people advocate for something.
This is the second time in as many months that Dagogo has produced a video with an evident (but unspoken) agenda. If I want to be fed propaganda, I'll just switch on mainstream media. What on earth is this?
The human rights violations come at the hands of the CCP, which Apple has no problem turning a blind eye to as long as the labor is cheap. As much as I like to bash on Apple for this, every product made in China requires wearing blinders to the real cost of cheap labor.
Good! I'll take "made in India" over "made in China" 8 days of the week!!
Y assembling procedure doesn't change no matter where it is assembled quality remains same
You know that labor practices are basically the same right?
@@Zones33 not on the levels of China, lesser of two evils.
@@VinceroAlpha They're not there yet but as soon as they become aa powerful as China is today you'll see
@@j4genius961 if every other country is so evil except almighty USA why make not make everything in your own country instead on lecturing other countries how bad they are
Its sickening to see how you show crowded locations and poverty when showcasing India while China you show people in cities outside Shopping malls
that's the reality everywhere., cry about it.
Just a friendly reminder that you do great work, Dagogo.✌️
The price of iPhone 14 is still high in India when compared to US
for iPhone 14, 256 gb variant
India price is $ 1127.6
In the US it is $899
If they shifted the production to India, shouldn't the price be at least equal if not less? Can someone please explain why?
Why would they? They only care about money nothing else
I think Apple set the price it really does not matter which country is maybe taxes can increase the price but at the of the day who set the price is Apple.
It's due to customs duty levied.
And for that to be waived off a certain percentage of above needs to manufactured in india.
Currently it's only being assembled
Let me explain it quickly . They assemble the final product in India. That’s all. All the components like the electronics circuit board and camera modules , display etc all of them are imported. It would have been a different story if everything was made in India. They are just assembling it here. And every component they import , adds to the expense.
It’s all a game of duties and taxes. Samsung, on the other hand does it all in-house . They build their phones from ground up in India.
@@pranaypratik1551 you put it even better. People when they read made in India , they don’t understand. It’s should have been assembled in India. Chips made in Taiwan , display in Korea and import duties of India lol.
We have never executed such massive cutting edge consumer product projects in India before. So I am a bit shaky on how smoothly this transition for Apple will go. We have our infamous bureaucracy, some crazy local governments and some other issues as you mentioned in the video. However, increasingly the confidence in the country is building back, things we couldn't imagine being done here are happening. So I wish Apple is happy in hindsight after a few years of effort.
Great video as always
You have a vague idea about what cutting edge consumer product is and also about that part where you don't have any idea what India is exporting to the world 😀😂
We? Who’s we? If you don’t know about something, better keep your expert opinion to yourself and I’m saying this who works for American clients so I know well what we are doing.
@@Aashu299 Is that so?. Coincidentally I also work with foreign clients.
Tell me which cutting edge consumer products are designed, built and exported out of our country? Just give me a list of 10.
@@MK-yj7pn Bhai TCS ka naam suna h? Kis business me h wo? Infosys? Sare projects US companies k h. Tiffany, Estée Lauder, pata kr le inka imports kitna h India se.
@@pocopreneuronly457 Maybe I don't. But if I was wrong, nobody would be surprised on Apple, Samsung etc building stuff in India.
Maybe there are dozens of high end consumer product companies of like smartphones, engines, semiconductors that I don't know about. Remind me a few.
Sir if you are from USA or from any other western countries you should say Indo-Pacific not asia-pacific this is what western countries use. asia-pacific is used by russia and china
and their other lackeys
finally, we can now use phones not made in china and made in a very nice and gorgeous country.
Beautiful? Not a word i would use to generalize india
@@leansnscenes7806 must suck to live in your world. India is a gorgeous country
oh god, indian patriotism
im russian, now in canada bruv
i chickened out in russia because of what the f*ck is happening there
@@leansnscenes7806 binod
We are now observing how China moves it's production facilities to other poor countries to save money on salaries.
That is not true. Foxconn is owned by a Taiwanese man. China steals ideas from apple. If Taiwan gets invaded by China then Apple crashes. Many companies are leaving China because the government steals their ideas and sells them cheaper undercutting companies like apple. USA is trying to slow china's growth
Foxconn is Taiwan's company n not Chinese you phuking dumb!
Me, an Indonesian "How about OUR country? We have good workers"
I live in India. They made the 13 here also. But it still cost 75k rupees. What's the point of making it here if you're not passing on even a little bit of cost benefits to consumers. People here are crazy about the iPhone, it's a signalling device for most people. Most of it's really great features are hardly used by people here. But imagine how much it would sell if it became a little more affordable.
Apple is not price gouging. Price differentials between different regional markets always comes down to government taxes and duties. Australians pay the same as Americans do for iPhones. 🇦🇺
"[Maintaining confidentiality in India would be] very difficult". Yeah, as if China has EVER given a **** about other people's IP.
Brilliant step. Now we need manufacturing of low end semiconductors gradually moving to the top of the line ones. Also a massive push is required for production on solar wafers in India but 2 good things : A lot of manufacturing is moving out China & a large portion of it is coming to India
More is shifting from China to Vietnam than India
Semiconductors are made in Taiwan, which is not under the control of China.
Also semi conductors are far to complex and advanced, they require technology and manufacturing facilities that is not present in any country other than Taiwan.
Even if low end semi conductors were produced, making the jump to high end semiconductors will require decades of research and billions of dollars in funding (USA and China have been trying for years and haven't even reached 10% of the semiconductor advancement that Taiwan has achieved).
Plus, the people of Taiwan are unlikely to share their methods of manufacturing and technologies as it is one of the most profitable sectors of their economy and the one of the most important things preventing China from launching an all out invasion.
lmao semiconductor manufacturing is whole another headache,doubtful that tsmc or intel or samsung gonna bring there fab to india,usa is literally giving away billions of dollars to bring their fab to usa,and india's own semiconductors are decades behind
@@ArpanMukhopadhyay93 which is also a communist country. You can see why.
@@anirudhmathur5555 Nope. The biggest misinformation regarding fabs is they are just top of the line. India is not targeting top notch bleeding edge tech chips of 5nm and lower. Initially India is targeting the chips used in IoT devices and other electronics industries. You see the share for chips used in phones are very less compared to its use elsewhere.
I like how India is still shown as a land of slums and rickshaw pullers. We have come a long way (?) from being snake charmers to rickshaw pullers living in slums. Western media cannot wrap head around India's achievements in so less available resources
no majority of our population is till poor also most of our wealth is unequally divided .
I am rooting for India! Please move it to India, they are not a dictatorship, yet!
i like how you put yet in the end XD, don't worry it's been 75 years since india has been a democracy, India's democracy is now matured so don't worry.
and it will never be dictatorship .
US China relations are quite tense presently. I don't blame apple or any other company dependant on manufacturing for shopping elsewhere. My only concern is that if the tension doesn't subside I could see an eventual war of sorts. I don't think anyone wants that.
Tension is inevitable as China coming up on top, if one day India economy post a threat to US, there will be Tension too
@@aboutraore6754 China is not "coming out on top". 600 million people live on $140 a month there. I would encourage you to watch Peter Zeihan - The End of the World is Just the Beginning
@@righteousmammon9011 then why is American targeting China if they got nothing to scare
@@aboutraore6754 they’re not targeting China. Why is China shipping fentanyl to Mexico to smuggle into the US and kill hundreds of thousands of people per year?
Expecting market access in the US and fully owning companies in the US and EU, but not letting foreigners own companies in China and forcing them into minority ownership 51/49 so they can steal technology and get their own companies to make it. Artificially keeping the Chinese Yuan currency low by pegging it at 7:1 to the US dollar so they can continue their export model.
I could go on and on, but if you watch Peter Zeihan - The End of the World is Just the Beginning, it will explain the entire world Geopolitical situation very well so you see the big picture
Love coldfusion's analysis as always 🇮🇳♥️♥️
RAMIREZ, THROW THIS KNIFE AND DESTROY THAT TACTICAL NUKE APPROACHING US!!
Are you from India?
Says Indian Central Govt shows slums near Taj Mahal as if the Govt operates from there. 😂
1:47 "Leaving aside human rights"
easy to say, devastating/fatal to do.
As if these big companies even care about "human rights" in the first place because if they did, they would have never operated in China anyways lol!
you forgot to say: also easy to do
It’s not Apple’s or any other company’s job, to worry about human rights. That’s the country’s government job, where they’re are producing the products. If they make rules, Apple has to follow them. So don’t twist the truth.
Those human rights issues will now transfer to india
India had a huge opportunity to pick up where China left
But we screwed up big time and missed the bus
Countries like Vietnam, Indonesia and Philippines will race ahead of India like China, South Korea and Japan did in the past
India. Makes sense. Their customer service originates there.
There will be challenges for India. But That's how we grow.
Many companies already manufacture in India and with Apple increasing its investment in India will force many suppliers to move to India as well and that's how ecosystem grows, with those suppliers comes the other manufacturers as well. And Indian government is keen on bringing tech manufacturing to India as we have less of smart youth who can work in IT / Softwares and more jobless hopeless folks who will be great labors.
The only real problem with India as a place for international companies to work is that work-safety and regulations are just really bad in India. That's a hard problem to tackle. But that's pretty much the only barrier in the way! India is in a way better position to be a global manufacturing hub, including for big businesses like Apple, especially when compared to China. The only thing China has going for it is that all the investment that has been done over the last 10 years (which they're currently ruining).
yeah more will follow as it makes general industry logistics easier with companies facing the same challenges. it's basically exploiting the country for profit, but brings in a lot for India's economy and can only be good
@Christian Lopez you can't make anything in US. Because of labour rate. Companies profit will decrease by 70-80% if they started making products in US.
@Christian Lopez yes that's why US companies make product outside America so that they can make profit. In india a labour or worker can work for 10$ per day. While same worker will work for 70-80$ per day in USA due to cost of living.
@Christian Lopez nope. Companies will never suffer. Because government can't force any big company.
I just watched MKBHD'S take on the new iPhone and I asked myself where will they be produced. Thanks for the answer dude.
Did you not ask yourself why would someone want pay money to upgrade to the same phone
@@joyg95 apple stans are a different breed
@@joyg95 I actually did. It's sad to see that we're loyal to a fault. To our financial detriment and otherwise. E.g I've had my LG G5 for 6yrs and it switches off randomly but I don't want to buy a new flagship phone because of the financial implications.
@@joyg95 I agree iPhone changes are lackluster this year.
But 20% performance increase 30% battery increases, machine learning models developed to detect car crashes, swimming strokes, period and ovulation tracking is not « the same phone as last year ». Every year immense technological changes to micro chip configuration and to the way mathematical models are run behind the scenes as well as security and cryptography protocols are not « the same phone as last year ».
You’re just probably nowhere near technical, mathematical or engineering domains and fail to comprehend the enormous efforts and breakthroughs made by top level engineers at apple.
It IS TRUE though that we have reached a point where most of the technologies developed by apple are getting niche and advanced, and for the average user that does not know how to use the new photo functionalities, doesn’t use it outside of a call, doesn’t use it for health tracking, doesn’t expect his phone to automatically call rescue services when he is slowly dying on the side of the road unable to move, sure the new phones of today are the same as the previous ones.
@@kaourintintamine1383 lol look at you trying to justify the idiocracy of apple fanboys by pointing out meaningless features that no one will use. To address some of your breakthrough features increased battery in a iPhone is still very low compared to most Android phones not to mention no fast charging i mean they don't even get a charger because the top level engineers at apple decided selling it separately will make them more money (genius ik), every new gen chip if it's from a phone or a computer always just it's faster it won't be useful to regular customers unless it's a few generations apart just download one of the many apps available to track your menstrual cycle, how can i forget i always wanted to see my swimming strokes because i most definitely take my phone into the water with me and iPhone changes haven't been lackluster this year they have been for years. If people want to justify wasting their money on Apple they can but don't try to fool anyone but yourself because the only innovative thing apple does every year is to create new problems for their customers that they can benifit off of like removing the headphone jack when they are about to release airpods or ditching the chargers to promote magsafe etc.
India💪💪🇮🇳🇮🇳 *THE NEXT Manufacturing HUB* 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
We don't appreciate Samsung enough for completely REVOLUTIONIZING India's tech manufacturing sector. Ever since they set up THE LARGEST SMARTPHONE FACTORY IN THE WORLD here in India, every other brand is now catching up and setting up factories here.
Making it in India yet charging even more money from last year, whereas in the US it is priced the same, and there has been no change.
It's a great idea to move manufacturing out of China.
I'm glad that these giants are looking towards Indian labour market as its benifits will be two fold, firstly this will reduce India's labour outsourcing and secondaly, Indian industry (except for a few exception) has largely been discoganised and lacking in innovation (mfg in perticular). These overseas companies bringing their experience in manufacturing to Indian market will do wonders for the country as it did for China 3 decades ago.
Iphone 14 pro max costs 999 usd around 79k rupees in foreign countries. While in india it costs 1 lakh 40 thousands rupees which is double of 999usd. Tax should inscrease it to 1 lakh at best not 1 lakh 40 thousand.
It starts at $1099 in the US.
@@leagueofotters2774 then that means 87k rupees
I live within 30 kms of this factory.
But it is cheaper to fly to Dubai and buy one!
Apple isn’t the first to do this. Many other firms have done it and will continue for three main reasons: uncertainty with China, lower labor costs in India, and need to diversify. This is bad news for Chinas their economy is now “struggling” (by China standards) and China is near crisis in housing, banking and demographics.
I wish I could buy iPhone in India like the price in USA
Still, I don't understand how a $999 phone costs $1630 in India. I know customs & taxes, but I hope someday this $999 comes as $999 to Indians.
Blame Indian taxes, inefficiency and red tape. 🇮🇳
Any company will charge as much as they can. If they make more money charging Indians more, they will do so.
@@hermannabt8361 Apple is not price gouging. Price differentials between different regional markets always comes down to government taxes and duties. Australians pay the same as Americans do for iPhones. 🇦🇺
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b 12 Pro and 13 Pro used to cost ~1500 dollars (today's exchange rate), there is a 125$ hike for this years pro model.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b you need taxes on imports to keep balanced sheets. Even though iphone is assembled in India - 90% of it's price still comes from components and none of the component is made in India thus 90% of the phone price still will get taxed - assembly of the phone even though one of most important is still only small fraction of the phone cost. I personally don't get it why folk in China or India are so keen on bidding so low on this last step of putting phone together when all the rest components are produced in factories in Korea, Japan, Europe, US where working conditinos and salaries are multifold better. You could increase assembly price twice, give twice bigger pay to workers assembling the phone, and still only add 5-10% markup on final product price. I am glad to hear that the folk in India have voiced issue of poor food and poor pay - unlike Chinese counterparts who happily come to work for peanuts - we need more people like this who demand decent conditions.
It's good that Apple is manufacturing in India but unfortunately, the prices won't drop for consumers. An iPhone is still more expensive for Indians as compared to US citizens despite the huge disparity in the standards of living.
@@aksaiqin to save forex reserve.
Let's go India! Show us what you can do! 🇮🇳 🇺🇸
And be replaced by African countries once India rose in salaries to today's China levels, left with nothing but a void and social distress even greater than today. Oh yes, cheer them on. Much joy.
I think the move is more a a strategic one to gain entry into the Indian Market. That's a free market that Apple has no share of due to high import taxes of the devices. Being able to manufacture in India will drive the cost of the iPhone down in India and provide Indian consumers an opportunity to purchase iPhones. It creates a stable new manufacturing hub for Apple while also opening up the last major market that they have not penetrated yet.
Actually, Apple doesn't pass on the savings from reduced duty to customers in India. We still pay the more than what the US pays for the same device. And the tax rate we have on mobile phones is about 18% which is only 8% more than the US(5-10% I'm not sure) so clearly Apple wants to squeeze more out of us.
This is soo good to hear being from india. Hope india will get throughhh
Get through what
Youre welocome having apple and otber companies poluting your air and making your workers suffer on minimum wage if there even is such thing in india
It's not good though. They are primarily moving to India because they have to pay low wages
@@fareehafaiyyaz8475 and not to mention pollution. All that pollution that china is causing from the factories. Most of it will go to india.
@@wrenboy2726 though the obstacles. India is still developing u see
India's🇮🇳 share in iPhone manufacturing over the years-
2015- 0%
2016- 1.5%
2020- 5%
2022- 7% (estimates)
Slowing but surely india is grabbing its due share in tech manufacturing
@TheBorz TSMC makes the Apple Siliconde fabricated by Apple.
Does this means China also just assembles?
@@thebestevertherewas phone component isn't just a chip lol. There are plenty of electronic component that made in china like, if, motherbowrd, battery, etc
@TheBorz In Noida India Samsung has the largest display manufacturing unit
Is that really your surname?
@@YashSharma-zp8yu shtfp
And I love how happily apple still doesnt decrease the prices for made in models which are reduced due to less taxes and has no intention to paas the benefit... Sad.
There was an incident of apple factory vandalism in southern India resulting in loss of millions.
I laughed on the part about security. China hasn’t done a good job of this since we’ve known about products (looks, specs etc) coming out months before they do.
I don't understand why people want the new iPhone every year????
must have the new shiny thing, duh
Brand value and consumerism
@@ArghyadeepPal consume product, get excited for next product
Interesting because the US iPhone 14 won’t have a SIM card slot a eSim is pretty shite in India
Esim only in north america
They wanted eSIMS to allow people to easily swap service. In reality it's made everything way more complex than swapping a card in a slot.
Buy Hong Kong version from Dubai
e sim is available in all three major telecom companies of india. But few use because very less phones support. Also physical sim is quite easy to purchase and handle. 🤣 Every one should use e sim. It is secure than normal.
As Modi says - Make in India, make for the World.
Rest all remaining constant, Modi's PLI Scheme (Production Linked Incentive Scheme) is a real game changer!
Not long before your iphone asks you for itunes gift cards to unlock it. Lol.
Offcourse when American or European talk about the manufacturing of their products in India they have to talk about the poor state of Indian supply chain. But these people have no idea on India's supply chain of Medicines or Agricultural products are. Their companies beg to enter India but these people always have to cite and show the chaos of India. Such a Shame.
While the video is meant to be positive, the least you could do is show newer videos from India. These videos are literally 20yrs old and the GDP is 10x now. The country looks very very different now.
Still looks the same dafaq are you talking about.
Current Indian govt is welcoming the investors like never before. The revolt situation was created by the forces in india who work for the chinese elements not because of the food or pay which was settled later as we have a strong govt now. India is a strong alternative as there is democracy there unlike china and we share same values as the US which would make India a best place with cheap labour market and skilled staff. India is the future.
Obviously very good development... 🇮🇳❤️
sound is so deep it feels like under water or something!
We don’t want iPhones assembled in India.... 😐
Please update your stock representative clips. They're outdated & misrepresenting India.
It is only good business to diversify your supply chain. For a company that likes to have control over its own future, it has been surprising to me that Apple had almost all its eggs in one basket (so to speak), for as long as it did. Rising tensions and the possibility of a Taiwan invasion in the coming years has forced Apple to sure up its supply chain better than what it had. In an instance where global sanctions need to be placed on China, it could be catastrophic for companies that do a large majority of their manufacturing in China.
"forced Apple to *shore up* its"
I guess workers in China are costing too much and have decent conditions now, so they have to find somewhere cheaper. Then a few years down the line Apple will produce a report on how they improved standards there after they've made enough cash.
Not to mention if you produce phones/tablets etc in China you have to let the ccp study your technology
@@phantomqueen6675 cpc
Nah, they are as cheap as ever. Apple doesn’t trust the chinese government anymore.
Another insightful comment! China is moving upwards towards Japan's realm of business. Its a nice trivia to remember that before China, it's Japan who was the word's China in the 80s and 90s. Then a lot of companies moved away from Japan as its labor cost increases to China and the same is happening to China from India. Did Japan collapse after the abandonment of low cost western companies? It didn't. What more with China and its gargantuan population of market?
@@siarnaqfrost4968 Japan is still doing pretty poorly since their trade war with the US. Their gamble on tourism was looking good until Covid struck. How many premier Japanese tech brands do you see these days? My partner unfortunately graduated her masters in Kyoto around ~2010. Her, like a lot of her fellow graduates needed to migrate away for work in their respective fields.
Apple watch left China for Vietnam, the article I read said China's continued lock downs were having devastating effects on there business. People want to leave China.
4:52 man, that guy is secretly in love with the other guy. You see it in his eyes.
Thank you CF for this very informative information as always. Given all the hoops Apple and other companies have to jump through and $$ spent on transferring in between countries and all security expenses and overhead to oversea all that … it would be very good to know the approximate cost if the iPhone is manufactured in the USA (with some import parts / components, of course).
Made in India and we still paying approx $1650 for Iphone 14 Pro base model whereas in US it is priced at $999.
Tax, please read your invoices properly.
Yes because government here wants much more tax than the us government
@@acrush9340 i guess you need to read them properly.
Previously iPhones were imported in India which attracted Import Taxes and Custom Duties on top of GSTs.
and now that they are manufacturing it here, prices should go down but that is not the case, the prices are the same as 13 series.
So maybe you need to read invoices properly.
Apple is not price gouging. Price differentials between different regional markets always comes down to government taxes and duties. Australians pay the same as Americans do for iPhones. 🇦🇺
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b read my previous reply and watch the video. For new companies that are Starting manufacturing in India, govt is infact giving them compensations.
so compared to 13 series, 14 series:
1. Has no Import Taxes and Custom Duties, and Freight Costs.
2. Is getting compensation from the govt.
and yet the prices of 14 series is the same as 13 series.
so it is not govt or taxes it is APPLE that is ripping us off.
compare Samsung's prices worldwide and in India vs Apple prices.
More than anything, Apple manufacturing in India will help expand their business significantly. iPhones are the most sought after premium smartphones in India and by a long shot. Quite a few phones are imported by residents due to taxes levied, inturn increasing the price. If iPhones are produced in India, the prices come down due to govt subsidies and lower taxes, and folks will quickly transition to iPhones. Indias middle class is growing extremely quickly, and it's one opportunity Apple can't miss if it wants to continue growing at this pace globally..
lol; you are dreaming, iphone will cost exactly the same.
They don't need to put out a new version a year. I just paid off my iPhone 11Pro Max. After two years I still have 160gb of storage capacity.
5:21 It's Indo Pacific not Asia Pacific region
iPhone users have to keep up everyday, makes me think iPhone is just a big sham
Are you 12 years old?
No. They don't. What are you even talking about.
I'm phoneless for over 4 years now the freedom is in your hands
@@VietboyGamerUSA how did you take your pfp, if not with a phone??
Also quite ironic that you claim to be phone-less but you have a gaming channel
@Zaydan Naufal I know, I’m asking with what device they took the pic. It looks like a phone pic, but they claim they’ve been phone-free 4 years
Proud of my country that we are now manufacturing one of the biggest brand's phones. Just a matter of time when everyone comes here to make it a manufacturing hub
Congrats! India is on the rise, you guys have a great plan of thorium reactors, India will be young and powerful in next decades.
5:27 BOY
Indian Products are far better than cheap Chinese products that don't last for long .
I hope it is made in INDIA
Thanks for making this video. A great summary of Apple and supply chain diversity
Very interesting video, thank you! Sounds like it's an exciting time to watch India grow
As an Indian, It's nice to know that apple is investing in India. Also there is a possibility that Indians can get a little cheaper iphones..
No, that possibility does not exist.
It will take time cuz apple still not have parts manufacturers in India they have to import it from outside (apple try to do this but our govt.. even more smart 😂😝 they taxed same on that parts too 🗿 so now apple finally opening parts manufacturing too it's in progress now soon until 17-18 iPhone price will be lower than all of the world )
lol, you are dreaming
@@svanimation8969 there wont be any parts manufactured in india, because india doesnt even have a microchip manufacturing industry, let along chip design industry, lol.
When ever a foreigner youtuber or msm makes a video about INDIA ,they usually use video footage from 2000 . I Don't know why!
tho this video is making some great point.
Indian government is making business environment more friendly.....
if apple can do it with such a security standard hurdle I think most of the companies can do it.
What hurdle? Everything remains in the same organization.
@@djoetma but not within the same country, as it was mentioned in the video
@@Luke-nh5tu But the company decides on everything around the infrastructure.
India would probably have cheaper labor and more flexibility due to fewer regulations. However there will be an inherent lack of discipline which the Chinese have in droves. As powerful as the BJP is, they can't command Indian workers the way the CCP can theirs so there will definitely be lesser efficiency in production. I'm glad my countrymen get better jobs and investment, but it'll be interesting to see how this goes
" and more flexibility due to fewer regulations " 😂😂😂😂
@@momobhai3792 you have a point, but the regulations aren't really followed here at all lol
yes, it is a far stretch to think india as the new manufacturing HUB, current reality is very far from that. There is an overall lack off discipline and actual eduation level is low by international standards, which is really not the case for chinese. There is also a big lack of entrepreneurship, contrary to china where tens and hundreds thousand companies are not the facts of foreigners, but chinese themselves, and are feeding a very large part of the international consumer goods market.
How many mass product do we see from india? zero, india could nto even make a smartphone, and those products existing for inner market are very far from international standards.
Also big brands manufacturing in india are not a sign of anything, because they just bring their process and standards whereever they go, using local low skills workers on the chain mainly and few carefully selected engineers to run the production lines.
Please stop showing 20's videos of India...there are more copyright free videos about India as you show about China...still very "Western mindset" about India...never mind our GDP numbers will show the world what we're capable of. 🤗🇮🇳❤️
Ur voice is ... *unique to Cold Fusion*
Stop showing Taj Mahal. Just go & read history about Taj Mahal & Decide if you want to use it or not.