Hi A Engineer had the Prius running on electric in an 08 Prius but no restrictions on Speed We have 2 Hymotion Battety Packs get 50-80 Mpg Combined! I could go on expressway Drying an 100mpg Now I’am rehabbing as The Car was Parked for a Year Bob Vandivort
Thanks, charging the batts fixed the low speed problem. also there seems to be no problem with lubrication. also cold weather limits discharge current limit (DCL). inverter still runs cool enough to make this a success. soon we will try a higher battery voltage.
Hello and great job. Just a curiosity question; without a turning crank in that 2nd Gen, what turns the oil pump in the transaxle. I deal with 3rd Gen units and that's how they are lubed (along with gear splash carryover). Thanks for your time. Looking at doing the same thing but with a Gen3 unit.
Thanks for your comment, Replacing the headlamps with LED is actually a less costly way to save the same amount of energy a roof mounted PV array can produce. that is to say until PV panels get more efficent for the footprint required.
We lost 176 lbs by removing the tank,heads, manifoilds, crank, etc. not to mention the weight of gasoline,coolers, and fans. Spoofing the state of charge helps keep the hybrid ecu from limiting range. I believe you will need about 5kw minimum to make a reliable electric range prius. Remember to keep a little in reserve to limp home if you deplete the main pack. I also believe that spinning the MG1 within the transmission would make a super high mpg hybrid. like from an aircooled ICE
I’ve got an extra pack for my 2006 prius, where can I find the research on how to wire up a second pack and install an EV only switch in the car? I can code arduino and I have a can bus transceiver. (Comma panda). I don’t want to take the motor out I just want to have double pack strength/capacity
without the newly developed Hybrid Energy Module from Ewert energy systems, 52 MPH is still the top speed. larger capacity only gives us longer range, The HEM module allows electric speeds up to 69 or 70 MPH but is only sold through plugin- conversions corp. thier price as of dec 2009 is 13500 dollars for a phev kit. it is very very nice.
Hello Dave. The plugin conversion movement is very large. it has been our experience that 5kw/ hour is about the smallest battery pack that will give any decent range. also top speed without a gas (I.C.E) engine will be 52. two companies offer hardware/software modifications to force the prius to spin the ICE giving extremely high gas mileage when driving faster than 52 mph. those are plugin conversions and plugin supply. a different bms system is required!, dtcs must be cleared or spoofed.
Nice! What if you pull out the heavy block and use that space for a micro turbine generator. Benefits are you can use multiple fuel sources and it will sound bad ass :) . I am sure you will get close to 70 MPG depending on fuel used. Look into drone micro turbine extenders.
Easy, the Prius has an electrically operated scroll compressor, it bolts to the block in the traditional location. of course the condenser would also need to be installed.
@@stevencorrea7982 how do you get these and how much as interested in building my own ev and thought pruis was good starting point if battery and mileage could be increased
Hello Dahorn, this experiment allowed us and others to move forward with other forms of prius hacking , including adding a 10kw/h lithium pack. see plug-in supply or plug-in conversions online. there are now hundreds of second generation prius cars converted to plug-in's
I stand corrected, It should read 250 w/h or 2500 w/h for 10 miles. please remove the "K" from my hastily typed message. Additionally please note that my friends at Ewert Energy systems have created an electronic module to manage the ICE in a prius to force very very low gasoline consumption even at highway speeds...this requires an extra battery pack.
Not a mechanic but an Electronics tech. i should in theory be able to swap out the electric motors that assist the vehicle, but would the computer throw up a bunch of errors and shut down the prius?
@urbex2007 Hello, thanks for posting. First , My experience is with Electronics, not diesels. I believe PHEV's will become more widespread. I recently participated in the Progressive Automotive X-Prize in Michigan A diesel powered car did very well in the 90 mile challenge, but our car did well in the city challenge. I hope the diesel powered car will make it after paying a 15 % MPGe penalty for fuel type, and also I hope it passes the emmisions test this week.
The prius requires about 250kw/h to move a mile on flat ground. 10 miles would be 2500 kw/h before any losses are considered. we have determined ( by experimentation) that a 7500 kw/h battery pack is adequate for about 10 miles. in my humble opinion, the solar panels would best be placed on the parking structure. thanks for posting! keep it up!
update! New software allows us to install a large battery pack, then drive up to 74 MPH without using Gasoline. then engage the gas engine or not depending how far down the accelerator is pressed. keep an eye on the AutoBeYours website for details.
Just the original mains. all the packs are paralleled. HSS is similar to out of gas mode, but without the engine trying to restart. visit the eaa-phev website and read the email archives. look for a product to be released soon.
sir thats not a trouble light thats showing. its them reminding you that you never sent the check for the engine so thanks to translation issues it reads check engine on the dash. i forgot to pay them for that too and once i got the letter i sent payment and the next morning when i went to work i finally had passing power.
Wonder if you can give me a clear and straight answer: Does the Prius engine(2005) ever directly propel the wheels, or is it strictly to charge the battery? Or does it directly propel with the front electric motor1? Or is there another answer?
no. imagine motor generator 1 acts like a torque converter... if its not working...say for example the hybrid battery is bad, then the gas engine just spins with no connection to the wheels. that is why it is an automatic transmission but without a clutch pack.. the electric motor provides assistance or resistance or anything in between
@@imwoody36also I think you are possibly wrong, by not differentiating the questions, for a few reasons. First you answered me "No" when my question was not a yes or no question. " Is the engine to the wheels or just charging the battery" was the question. Well, if it is no, then is it neither?. The 2nd reason you are likely wrong on your claim that the engine is only charging MG1, is because the drive shaft goes from the engine directly to the wheels. If it is not propelling the wheels direct, then why even have the engine inline. This would be added cost and material with less layout flexibility. 3rd, if the battery is bad, then the car needs a source to move on demand, and if its too weak, it won't drive as the engine only powers the wheels at HWY speeds at one gear of about 50mph. The engine takes over, and it can do this at a certain speed where it is efficient as it has 1 "gear" to the engine. I watched 5 videos with engineers breaking it down, explaining this 1st gen Prius Hybrid system after I posted. 2 videos were not so clear, but a couple others were. Also Scotty Kilmer's channel breaks it down as well. The Prius, at least early 2005 model looks to be a true hybrid car. Engine at SOME point is directly propelling the wheels, once the car has gained enough momentum for the engine to be more efficient. This is what is explained between the different videos. It is also what I find to make sense. Otherwise the layout would not need the shaft to directly go from engine to wheel, as it does. I dont mean to sound abrasive, but its been bugging me, and its not very clear in some presentations, and they suggest different things. If its not the engine, then its not even "hybrid"
Old video, yes, but I came to YT looking for something like this. I read a thread from someone who wanted to convert an old Prius to all electric and all the nay-sayers. I've long said that Hybrids are "the worst of both worlds" with so many moving parts to eventually wear out. It seems like at this point (early 2021) there are (or will soon be) many old Prius cars for sale with non-working gas engines. If only there were an affordable way to convert them. This is a total newbie idea, but if only you could trick the controller into thinking it still had a working gas engine in it - say by installing a second electric motor in place of the old gas engine, and then a Raspberry Pie running some sort of "gas engine simulator" software.
Actually, yes just adding anything to the I.C.E. input shaft would leverage top speed up beyond 52mph. if your experience includes C.A.N. bus messaging from Arduino, all the better. Yes we have literally dozens of old generation 2 pruii , with good transmissions and inverters. by now we scrap them after using all the common wrecked or worn out parts. ( everybody needs a touch screen or a hatch garnish, or my favorite a clean floor mat)
this is a good idea, ZERO emission prius, but the car was not designed that way so surely it must need more frequent charging than a purpose built electric car
Well, another one could be build just like it easily enough, top speed is 52, and the range is only limited to your ability to purchase lithium batteries. a stripped prius like this would cost around 7500 dollars from us, ( april 2012 price for say a 2006 model year. then add about 6000 for a 5kw battery pack. by the way, we also have a nissan Leaf in stock.
keep in mind this was 10 years ago, and today you will want to use lithium. those three OEM packs only total around 3kw ( small by todays electric car standards) the plug in prius movement surpassed this video with the addition of the ORION BMS and liFeP04 cells of your choosing.
Hi. I live in the UK and diesel/gas prices are hitting an all-time high of around $9 per gallon (in your money) and, as an electronics engineer, I'm seriously considering buying one of these and running it with numerous stock Ni-Mh packs as you have done already. Have you established the range of the vehicle in this video yet? Also, is it necessary to clear the ECU DTCs before the car will drive? and finally, can I leave the charge-management system alone or will it need extensive mods? Thanks!
no, but we have dozens of gen 2 pruii. making another would not be a problem. see autobeyours.com or daytonahybrids.com ( newer website...same company)
The prius will travel about 4 miles on a kilowatt/hour of battery capacity. the one featured in this video has had the gas engine installed and now is a stock prius. however we now offer a 5kw/h pack to replace the Original Toyota pack. this allows for 24 miles of EV only, or 50 miles in blended mode at 99 mpg.
Highway driving kills the MPG. I only get 45 in my C with mostly highway driving, There is an article in Nuts and Bolts magazine that covers such a conversion. It covers the first gen model. You need an auxiliary Lithium battery and some custom connectors. Also in that design the regen only charges the NICD. Once the Lithium dies you have to plug it in. All it does is trick the car into thining the battery is full all the time.
the packs are NiMh, not lithium. and this video is from 2008. we were experimenting with " proof of concept" and eventually settled on lithium cells and the ORION BMS from Ewert energy
Toyota Supra: where’s you’re engine Toyota Prius: eh well its nothing Toyota Supra:WTF!! No engine how you can move without engine Nissan GT-R: HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAH YOURE SO STUPID PRIUSSS HHAAAAAH Toyota Prius: -_-
😀 I updated my plug-in hybrid with the latest 20 kWh Nissan Leaf batteries. It's still running strong after 17 years! Incredible! 🤣
Then no engine engagement any more?
"check engine" nope its gone
Thanks! Now We are working on a way to allow the driver to turn the gas engine on or off,
instead of Hybrid ECU control
how's that going?
just put a switch on starter relay
"Check Engine"
hehe.
Hi A Engineer had the Prius running on electric in an 08 Prius but no restrictions on Speed We have 2 Hymotion Battety Packs get 50-80 Mpg Combined! I could go on expressway Drying an 100mpg
Now I’am rehabbing as The Car was Parked for a Year Bob Vandivort
LOL. Check engine light. What engine? :D
Thanks, charging the batts fixed the low speed problem. also there seems to be no problem with lubrication. also cold weather limits discharge current limit (DCL).
inverter still runs cool enough to make this a success. soon we will try a higher battery voltage.
Hello and great job. Just a curiosity question; without a turning crank in that 2nd Gen, what turns the oil pump in the transaxle. I deal with 3rd Gen units and that's how they are lubed (along with gear splash carryover). Thanks for your time. Looking at doing the same thing but with a Gen3 unit.
Thanks for your comment, Replacing the headlamps with LED is actually a less costly way to save the same amount of energy a roof mounted PV array can produce.
that is to say until PV panels get more efficent for the footprint required.
We lost 176 lbs by removing the tank,heads, manifoilds, crank, etc. not to mention the weight of gasoline,coolers, and fans. Spoofing the state of charge helps keep the hybrid ecu from limiting range. I believe you will need about 5kw minimum to make a reliable electric range prius. Remember to keep a little in reserve to limp home if you deplete the main pack. I also believe that spinning the MG1 within the transmission would make a super high mpg hybrid. like from an aircooled ICE
I’ve got an extra pack for my 2006 prius, where can I find the research on how to wire up a second pack and install an EV only switch in the car? I can code arduino and I have a can bus transceiver. (Comma panda). I don’t want to take the motor out I just want to have double pack strength/capacity
without the newly developed Hybrid Energy Module from Ewert energy systems, 52 MPH is still the top speed. larger capacity only gives us longer range, The HEM module allows electric speeds up to 69 or 70 MPH but is only sold through plugin- conversions corp. thier price as of dec 2009 is 13500 dollars for a phev kit.
it is very very nice.
Hello Dave. The plugin conversion movement is very large. it has been our experience that 5kw/ hour is about the smallest battery pack that will give any decent range. also top speed without a gas (I.C.E) engine will be 52. two companies offer hardware/software modifications to force the prius to spin the ICE giving extremely high gas mileage when driving faster than 52 mph.
those are plugin conversions and plugin supply. a different bms system is required!, dtcs must be cleared or spoofed.
Nice! What if you pull out the heavy block and use that space for a micro turbine generator. Benefits are you can use multiple fuel sources and it will sound bad ass :) . I am sure you will get close to 70 MPG depending on fuel used. Look into drone micro turbine extenders.
Great one. Do not forget the solar panels for charging the all electric Toyota Prius.
Imagine fitting a prius with tesla gear, then taking it to the track XD
Toyota has a solid state battery that gets 600 MI. Tesla ain't got that.
@@stevencorrea7982 I'll believe it when I see it
Easy, the Prius has an electrically operated scroll compressor,
it bolts to the block in the traditional location.
of course the condenser would also need to be installed.
The prius should be all electric, especially since it's 2017
It's now 2020......
@@1enaan Toyota has a solid state 600 mi battery and two new motors selling to the do-it-yourself mechanics.
@@stevencorrea7982 how do you get these and how much as interested in building my own ev and thought pruis was good starting point if battery and mileage could be increased
@@francisosborne1268 it a great start I have a Prius drive train and an inverter to start.
what's the highest range you've reached?
Hello Dahorn, this experiment allowed us and others to move forward with other forms of prius hacking , including adding a 10kw/h lithium pack.
see plug-in supply or plug-in conversions online.
there are now hundreds of second generation prius cars converted to plug-in's
I stand corrected, It should read 250 w/h or 2500 w/h for 10 miles. please remove the "K" from my hastily typed message. Additionally please note that my friends at Ewert Energy systems have created an electronic module to manage the ICE in a prius to force very very low gasoline consumption even at highway speeds...this requires an extra battery pack.
Will check this out
How long will the car “Run” on a single charge?
Also,Did this have a plug in or are you just using the 1 original battery?
about 2 miles per kw/h therefore a single oem pack at 1.1 kw gives almost 2 miles. do the math for your intended pack
this is awesome, what year Prius was this?
Not a mechanic but an Electronics tech. i should in theory be able to swap out the electric motors that assist the vehicle, but would the computer throw up a bunch of errors and shut down the prius?
@urbex2007 Hello, thanks for posting.
First , My experience is with Electronics, not diesels. I believe PHEV's will become more widespread. I recently participated in the Progressive Automotive X-Prize in Michigan A diesel powered car did very well in the 90 mile challenge, but our car did well in the city challenge. I hope the diesel powered car will make it after paying a 15 % MPGe penalty for fuel type, and also I hope it passes the emmisions test this week.
The prius requires about 250kw/h to move a mile on flat ground.
10 miles would be 2500 kw/h before any losses are considered. we have determined ( by experimentation) that a 7500 kw/h battery pack is adequate for about 10 miles. in my humble opinion, the solar panels would best be placed on the parking structure. thanks for posting!
keep it up!
This is great, thx for sharing
update!
New software allows us to install a large battery pack, then drive up to 74 MPH without using Gasoline. then engage the gas engine or not depending how far down the accelerator is pressed.
keep an eye on the AutoBeYours website for details.
Won't the motor be overspeed or does the engine crank still turn?
I would think so..the Echo and the Yaris use basically the same engine. We are working on taking control of the original engine.
Just the original mains. all the packs are paralleled. HSS is similar to out of gas mode, but without the engine trying to restart. visit the eaa-phev website and read the email archives. look for a product to be released soon.
put a switch on the starter relay to control start ups while running but that might kill hybrid pack
So how would you heat the cabin in the winter?
Is this full electric Prius still working?
sir thats not a trouble light thats showing. its them reminding you that you never sent the check for the engine so thanks to translation issues it reads check engine on the dash. i forgot to pay them for that too and once i got the letter i sent payment and the next morning when i went to work i finally had passing power.
Wonder if you can give me a clear and straight answer:
Does the Prius engine(2005) ever directly propel the wheels, or is it strictly to charge the battery? Or does it directly propel with the front electric motor1? Or is there another answer?
no. imagine motor generator 1 acts like a torque converter... if its not working...say for example the hybrid battery is bad, then the gas engine just spins with no connection to the wheels. that is why it is an automatic transmission but without a clutch pack.. the electric motor provides assistance or resistance or anything in between
@@imwoody36also I think you are possibly wrong, by not differentiating the questions, for a few reasons. First you answered me "No" when my question was not a yes or no question. " Is the engine to the wheels or just charging the battery" was the question. Well, if it is no, then is it neither?. The 2nd reason you are likely wrong on your claim that the engine is only charging MG1, is because the drive shaft goes from the engine directly to the wheels. If it is not propelling the wheels direct, then why even have the engine inline. This would be added cost and material with less layout flexibility. 3rd, if the battery is bad, then the car needs a source to move on demand, and if its too weak, it won't drive as the engine only powers the wheels at HWY speeds at one gear of about 50mph. The engine takes over, and it can do this at a certain speed where it is efficient as it has 1 "gear" to the engine.
I watched 5 videos with engineers breaking it down, explaining this 1st gen Prius Hybrid system after I posted. 2 videos were not so clear, but a couple others were. Also Scotty Kilmer's channel breaks it down as well. The Prius, at least early 2005 model looks to be a true hybrid car. Engine at SOME point is directly propelling the wheels, once the car has gained enough momentum for the engine to be more efficient. This is what is explained between the different videos. It is also what I find to make sense. Otherwise the layout would not need the shaft to directly go from engine to wheel, as it does. I dont mean to sound abrasive, but its been bugging me, and its not very clear in some presentations, and they suggest different things. If its not the engine, then its not even "hybrid"
@@imwoody36also You gave a situation when the battery is bad. what about any other time? While on the hwy...etc
Someone should swap the drive unit with a tesla drive unit.
Way to much power for a Prius application
and battery
It has been my experience that buying a prius saves lots of money. Especially if you are replacing a guzzler.
Old video, yes, but I came to YT looking for something like this. I read a thread from someone who wanted to convert an old Prius to all electric and all the nay-sayers. I've long said that Hybrids are "the worst of both worlds" with so many moving parts to eventually wear out. It seems like at this point (early 2021) there are (or will soon be) many old Prius cars for sale with non-working gas engines. If only there were an affordable way to convert them.
This is a total newbie idea, but if only you could trick the controller into thinking it still had a working gas engine in it - say by installing a second electric motor in place of the old gas engine, and then a Raspberry Pie running some sort of "gas engine simulator" software.
Actually, yes just adding anything to the I.C.E. input shaft would leverage top speed up beyond 52mph. if your experience includes C.A.N. bus messaging from Arduino, all the better.
Yes we have literally dozens of old generation 2 pruii , with good transmissions and inverters.
by now we scrap them after using all the common wrecked or worn out parts.
( everybody needs a touch screen or a hatch garnish, or my favorite a clean floor mat)
How much weight did you save???
i want to put this electric set to run in my mercedes. how difficult is to do it?
This reminds me of the scene in avengers age of Ultron when Ultron takes physical form the first time and has pieces hanging off.
Good video
That was incredible, I'm a big Prius fan
I never was a prius fan but he makes it look cool
this is a good idea, ZERO emission prius, but the car was not designed that way so surely it must need more frequent charging than a purpose built electric car
How fast could this go with a 240v lithium pack?
What you need is a very long extension lead so you can charge it while you drive it haha (Great vid, thanks for making it)
what year prius dud you do this with? and what equipment did you use?
damn, that's one battered prius. interesting though
Well, another one could be build just like it easily enough,
top speed is 52, and the range is only limited to your ability to purchase lithium batteries.
a stripped prius like this would cost around 7500 dollars from us, ( april 2012 price for say a 2006 model year.
then add about 6000 for a 5kw battery pack.
by the way, we also have a nissan Leaf in stock.
Are you still building these?
this is great!!!
wow keep up the good work!!!
range?
Fantastic innovation!
😂 gav, you just predicted the future powertrain of your EV conversion here lol
so the one with no engine is not intended to be actually used like that on the road
It can be if u want it too he just had it all apart
top speed in all electric mode is 52 MPH. faster required assistance from the gas engine.
this is the upper RPM limit of the mg1 and MG2 motors
what KM driving ? тоже есть приус, хочу апгрейдить =)
my interest in this would be to make a prius a pure ev.
did you just connect the 3 hv batterys parallel? no bms or other things?
keep in mind this was 10 years ago, and today you will want to use lithium. those three OEM packs only total around 3kw ( small by todays electric car standards) the plug in prius movement surpassed this video with the addition of the ORION BMS and liFeP04 cells of your choosing.
@@imwoody36also how about tesla module units? 🤔 Will this work to replace the old hybrid battery pack? Any videos of how to do this by any chance?
Maybe if you want it to be all electric add the solar panels mod to the roof to help it recharge.
~Drac
Awesome!
Hi. I live in the UK and diesel/gas prices are hitting an all-time high of around $9 per gallon (in your money) and, as an electronics engineer, I'm seriously considering buying one of these and running it with numerous stock Ni-Mh packs as you have done already. Have you established the range of the vehicle in this video yet? Also, is it necessary to clear the ECU DTCs before the car will drive? and finally, can I leave the charge-management system alone or will it need extensive mods? Thanks!
what about now?
Do you still have this car?
no, but we have dozens of gen 2 pruii. making another would not be a problem. see autobeyours.com or daytonahybrids.com ( newer website...same company)
The prius will travel about 4 miles on a kilowatt/hour of battery capacity.
the one featured in this video has had the gas engine installed and now is a stock prius.
however we now offer a 5kw/h pack to replace the Original Toyota pack.
this allows for 24 miles of EV only, or 50 miles in blended mode at 99 mpg.
Got any packs left for cheap?
What year is this prius?
Great stuff. Subscribed.
Please wiring for 3 batt in parallèle
1 am getting 70 mpg in mine
original equiptment? mostly city?
He get 0 mpg. Because elctrons aren't measured in gallons. ;D
Where do you live where you may get a ticket for a deployed airbag?
We DO enjoy Hacking. thanks for watching.
Wife and I tested a Prius and hated it. We decided to buy an Avalon Hybrid instead.
The battery will die quickly like that right?
yes
Ok I need help because I have 2014 plugin and I drive 100 miles every day Im only getting 500 miles a tank I want to know how to get 95 per gallon
Probably will have to slow down which I'm assuming you're on the highway will be hard.
Highway driving kills the MPG. I only get 45 in my C with mostly highway driving, There is an article in Nuts and Bolts magazine that covers such a conversion. It covers the first gen model. You need an auxiliary Lithium battery and some custom connectors. Also in that design the regen only charges the NICD. Once the Lithium dies you have to plug it in. All it does is trick the car into thining the battery is full all the time.
This is easy. Drive downhill to work. On the way home, jack the rear of the car up so you are downhill on the return trip. You should get 95mpg easy!
Nimh too bulky maybe use LiFe PO instead still as safe or safer than NiMH
well yeah, but 14 years ago they were waay more expensive.
What the bms ?
the packs are NiMh, not lithium. and this video is from 2008. we were experimenting with " proof of concept" and eventually settled on lithium cells and the ORION BMS from Ewert energy
All cars should be all electric.
If there is a prius factory built that's Fully electric+no gas show me. I'm a Leaf fan.
please update !
Your steering wheel in the prius looks as messed up as my Logitech G27 steering wheel lol not a very pleasant experience.
why? The prius already gets incredible mpg
Do that with 50 prius
круто! я также хочу сделать!!! ништяк! coool? the best!!!
it says check engine light so you just check THE light haha
Prius'
Toyota Supra: where’s you’re engine
Toyota Prius: eh well its nothing
Toyota Supra:WTF!! No engine how you can move without engine
Nissan GT-R: HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAH YOURE SO STUPID PRIUSSS HHAAAAAH
Toyota Prius: -_-