How Peugeot Destroyed France's Most Important Football Club
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- Опубліковано 19 лип 2023
- FC Sochaux-Montbéliard were France's first professional football club, founding members of Ligue 1, and the only team to win multiple Ligue 1 titles before WWII.
Sochaux were founded and funded for almost 90 years by Peugeot, until the company sold the club to a little-known Chinese business in 2015.
Now the club has been relegated from Ligue 2 for the first time, and is facing the very real possibility of extinction - so in this documentary, HITC Sevens takes a look at how Peugeot discarded FC Sochaux, the club's plight ever since, and the extraordinary recklessness with which they have been run. - Спорт
To anyone who doesn't care about this: it's a club with a huge history that is about to die, Sochaux a little respect please! 🙏🙏
Money ruins everything in the end. This is how we've wound up with a world run by people who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
@@LordZontar
“money ruins everything” 🤓
What a lazy take trying to get a few internet points
You could’ve said excess money is killing the sport but thinking football clubs and players dont deserve that green to operate is ridiculous
Nice pun
@@triggerfinger7831 Thanks! I'm honestly surprised people started actually replying to this in a serious manner. 😅
@@lukashradecky5492 Leaping to a few conclusions, there, aren't you?
I managed Sochaux a few FMs ago, it’s really sad to see what has become of them. I wish them nothing but the best in securing funding.
The only way is for someone to buy out the club and invest money in it.
In your saves, the board showed up with more money?
did you get to manage ibrahima konate?
Alfie please make a video about what’s going on at IFK Göteborg (Gothenburg). The only Nordic club to have won a European cup (two actually) and the second most successful club domestically in Sweden is in very real danger of relegation now after not winning the league since 2007 and declining since.
I'd love to see Gothenburg being competitive again and actually qualify for Europe instead of seeing Malmo all the time. 😢
Great video! Just a minor point: While FCSM is based in Sochaux, it is the ONLY big club in the area. So its fanbase is not just Sochaux / Montbeliard based. People from surrounding cities, including Belfort and all its metro area, Lisle-sur-le-doubs, and even as far south as Besancon will support FCSM. Also worth noting, while Sochaux and Montbeliard are small cities, the whole urban area of Belfort - Montbeliard has over 300,000 inhabitants. This easily explains the 12,000 fans attendance.
My friend and i used to do random clubs in fifa and we've managed to create our "french derby" Paris Fc V Sochaux since then my love for Sochaux has always increased and i loved them since im a car guy myself seeing that one of my loves of football has been destroyed by another passion is absolutely heartbreacking i can only hope i see Sochaux back where it belongs in my lifetime!
And here I thought Peugeot's appetite for self-destruction would've been sated by the World Endurance Championship. Oh how I underestimated them!
Ah yes no. 93 bottling it at the 12th hour. At least they did get a podium at Monza 6h.
this video isn't about peugeot self destructing, what are you on about
Surely the son of the Peugeot founders has enough money to buy the club himself if he truly cared about them?
FM24 is months away and Alfie throw us this absolute gem to rebuild (if they still exist by then)
Thank you very much for making this documentary, I have started to watch it and it looks very good. I am a Sochaux fan and am absolutely devastated. There is however a bit hope as Peugeot's great grandson and Jean Claude Plessis who was our chairman during our glorious years of winning the cups in 2004 and 2007 have joined forces to find investors and buy the club from Nenking (it hurts to even write that company name...) so still a wee change we can stay in Ligue 2. Fingers crossed....Just finished watching your video and really well done, you've done a lot of research :) Just one thing, Peugeot sold Sochaux to Ledus the month after we got relegated in 2014, so that was a double blow for us! Again thank you for taking the time to do this documentary, we need all the spotlight we can get !
Best of luck ❤
And did you finish watching it?
Good luck
@@erikthehalfabee6234 yes I did , cheers. Things are looking bleaker for the club everyday...
This was a great video. About 10 years ago I found out that my great-great parents were born in tiny villages not that far apart in Eastern France. When I looked at a map of Ligue 1 and 2 clubs at the time, Sochaux was by far the closest club so I adapted them as my French club. This video was great as it's been hard finding English language coverage of the club here in Canada.
As a Sochaux fan how would you feel about merge with another club? Dijon or Besançon for example. Many small clubs across France suffer from same fate I’m afraid.
The appointment of Samuel Laurent in my opinion was worse than the ownerships not having money, because Laurent drove away many fans I know and many even went and formed own smaller clubs. The Omar Daf incident was the first sign of collapse for me and Laurent was the one who lit the fire.
Alfie could you please make an updated video on the American soccer/football system. The video you made 3 years ago was great but so much has changed in so little time. I really appreciate all the work you put into your content. Thank you!
I really like the new MLS strategy of signing promising South American players, boosts the standard of the league, inspires others around them and generates profit.
It would be a good video. The USL system is also voting to see if they should bring relegation/promotion to the leagues. Could be a great topic
@@MumboEliteyea might as well wait until that vote happens
@@colehollander5823 Yeah, It would be awesome to have relegation/promotion in the United States, even if it just involves USL and not MLS yet.
Perhaps after usl releases the result of their pro/rel vote amongst the owners... I feel like no matter what it ends up being it will be super important for us soccer
Peugeot sponsored the French Open from 1984-2021! It's not a recent deal, Renault took over last year.
I took it as them meaning they don't mind sponsoring tennis, but want nothing to do with football
@@WallsTCAP The club only exists because 1 of the Peugeot brothers started the club, what I was trying to say, was they didn't pick on Sochoux, they dropped both tennis & football sponsorships. Corporate Co.s don't care as much for sport.
@@grdixon83 ah my bad, I think I completely glossed over that their tennis sponsorship ended in 2021.
when you say great nephew... do you mean great uncle?
Yes! Or rather, I meant to say that he is his great-nephew, rather than the other way round!
Thank you for this highly informative, funny and tragic history lesson on a club that I barely had on my radar (although I live less than 150km away from it In Switzerland). As in many of your videos, you dare tackle stories of football that are rarely recorded, which is something that sets you apart and leaves me in awe: well done and hats off to you 👏👏👏👌👌👌👍👍👍❤!
Makes me sad the fall of Sochaux because i always loved their automotive industry sponsored shirts and the links with a car maker (like Wolfsburg, Yokohama F.Marinos, Urawa Red Diamonds, Sanfrecce Hiroshima, Jeonbuk Hyundai and my beloved Nagoya Grampus for mentioning some). I really hope they can turn their fortunes and returning back to L1.
Hope they get it sorted I support Dundee United sochaux gave us a fantastic midfielder who was part off a successful team. It’s so sad seeing good historic clubs going under like this
I love these mini documentaries on a clubs history. Keep it up!
The question is why hasn't the French league been on par with the other major leagues throughout its history considering the large population and economy of France so it should be able to support a top quality football league that shouldn't have needed to sell all its stars I mean football is hardly an obscure sport in France is it so why has Ligue 1 in general trailed behind the EPL, LA Liga, Serie A and Bundesliga for most of its history
It is culture issue partly, football doesn’t dominate as a sport like it does in Spain, England and Germany
France is not dominated buy football some city's
Rugby Union is the dominant game others it is football.
France has buy far the best
Rugby Union Tournament in
the world The Top 14 it gets
good size crowds & has lots of money to throw about.
Football in France in general
as a rule is more popular
in the North whare
Rugby Union is more dominant
in the south of France there is
cases whare this is not the case like Olympique Marseille
in the south in football
& Racing 92 ( Paris ) in
football but that is the exception rather than the rule.
Some people follow both sports in France for
example if you
follow
Saint-Étienne there is a high possibility you are also
a Clermont Auvergne fan
in Rugby Union.
Rugby Union is more Media savvy in France Football simply is not.
Rugby Union has an Amazing deal with Cannal + for every single game but Football in
France has made poor Media choices & had to go cap in hand to Amazon after the domestic T.V deal they had completely collapsed a few years ago.
France will always be split
50/50 between both sports
in my view.
Take Toulouse that is
most definitely a Rugby Union
strong hold I had family
that lived there for 6 years
not many people bother with
football there it's predominantly a Rugby Union city & Toulouse is a massive
City in France.
Keep Safe.
Especially considering the performances of their national team over the past 25 years
@@alanfox691rugby still relevant ?
In the 90s ligue 1 was above the premier league in terms of quality though
Alfie really uploaded this as I just bought and collected a 1998 Peugeot 306 GTI-6, what are the odds 😂 he never fails to deliver!
Iv fallen completely out of love with football in the past few years for a variety of reasons, to the point where I actively dislike the product. However, I do still enjoy the content on HITC Sevens, and I really like how you highlight the side of the sport which mainstream media choose to completely ignore. This was another great upload - even if it did reinforce some of the reasons why I no longer enjoy the sport.
"Championship is an insane ticking time bomb" you got me intrigued Alfie. Can't wait for that video for you to cover.
He already did like 10 days ago.
I always wondered why you could buy Peugeot salt and pepper mills. My dad has a Peugeot bicycle too.
Une des best chaînes football de UA-cam, continue le bon boulot bruh 🦾
I think pretty much every French club has been near to extinction at some point
Oh PSG was near extinction right before being bought by Qatar. Look up their 2000s, they were a mess on the verge of collapse
I mean, they are still a mess. Just a mess with money.
Only safe club post-TV deal disaster in France is PSG thanks to Qatari financial doping.
@@lucaslonchampt613 We were so close to greatness.
@@saltmerchant749that's fucking depressing
Always nice to hear you talk about a french club. Thank you. 👍
Can we have the sources that you researched in the description/comments? I mean your videos are already quite informative but I like to do additional reading.
Great video Alfie! Still stunned that PSA think Peugeot is upmarket! 😂😂😂
Thank you for this video! I am a big fan of sochaux and I am really thankful for your job
Wow Alfie. A very interesting video even if it is a sad story... On another point, can we please have a video about Maltese Football? Thank you
Random videos I only care about cause you make them interesting. Cheers mate
alfie youre a huge inspiration man your videos are world class. now excuse me as im gonna log in to football manager to play fc Sochaux Montbeliard
Alfie, please flash the Inverness CT badge whenever you say “in fairness,” lol
I could never tell Sochaux rhymes with Peugeot.
it does, but sadly he pronounces both wrong.
This is the journalism I’m here for.
Thanks for this documentary about a team I follow since 1989 with another team AJ Auxerre. Very dramatic to see the team in the 3rd division. Sochaux didn't deserve that. Thanks for the supporters and Jean-Claude Plessis and Pierre Wantiez who save the FC Sochaux. As I live in the suburb of Paris I can not go to the Bonal's stadium. I follow them by internet channel. Thank you again for your video.
This was a very good mini-Doc. Another W on this channel. Peugeot could never
Super interesting and insightful piece. However couldnt help but watch on x1.5 speed as the narration was so slow.
FM 24 save might be sorted then, hope they sort things out though!
I'm heartbroken to see what is happening to Sochaux. It was bad when Peugeot gave up on their baby. As you said, Sochaux is Peugeot's club like PSV is the club of Philips.
I doubt DNCG will allow them to remain professional. Unfortunately, more clubs will follow in lower divisions.
Isabel Salas Mendez sounds like a piece of work.
Great video
Totally sorry to hear this for one of my favourite respective footballing teams ever in France being destroyed by the car company but I am extremely so sure to see them bouncing back from this debacle,good friends!!!LONG LIVE SOCHAUX-MONTBELIARD!!!🏋️♂️🏋️♂️🏋️♂️🏋️♂️🏋️♂️🏋️♂️🏋️♂️🏋️♂️🏋️♂️🏋️♂️🏋️♂️🏋️♂️🏋️♂️
Dude it sounds so funny when you say Peugeot, your pronunciation really made my day 😁
Random, but just got them as a feeder team in FM '08. Gonna stack them full of Brazilian wonderkids and hopefully get them to the top of League 1. Also got Ado den Haag as a feeder team who somehow got drawn into my champions league group and beat me in the first match.
Defo doing a Sochaux save on the new FM
Alfie is really something else, this guy could be a legit French football analyst considering his tremendous knowledge about French football, demonstrated since a long time in his videos.
His knowledge is actually frightening, there is not a lot of people in France who could trace back the history of this very significant club like he did. Before watching the video, I wondered if he would talk about that dumb representative quote about getting upscale and prefering tennis and all, and Alfie delivered, with his pleasant ironic tone.
And this quality material comes from a fan of Hull City. I'm speechless. As I already was when he did an analysis of PSG and pointed out Ile de France is probably nowadays the area that produces the most world-class footballers.
Wow, having only recently learned about this debacle- it makes my current FM save even more bittersweet; I’ve managed to get them in Ligue 1 finishing top 10 for the last 5 seasons, securing europa & conference league in that time. Shame how to actual club is finding its self, I hope they find a solution as I dare say I’ve fallen in love with the club…
Thank you to talk about this sad story. Just one thing, Sochaux was the first club to win two Ligue 1 titles, but FC Sète also won two Ligue 1 titles before the outbreak of WWII, 1934 & 1939. FC Sète was the first club to win Ligue 1 and France Cup the same year (1934).
I know, a lot of people doesn't care as the best part of this club history is pre WWII and was very short. I'm not even a Sète supporter, my comment was just for knowledge. By the way, FC Sète gone bankrupt this summer.
Crazy how deep football is tied to my job with this video lol. Good stuff.
France's most important? That may be hyperbolic. Socheaux definitely had a big place in the history of French football though
Saint-Etienne is easily most important
@@booboosnacktrue
For French football fans, Sochaux is a great team... Bordeaux, Saint-Étienne, Lyon, Sochaux, Toulouse, those are teams with lots of fans in France, but certain people just want to sell their club and don't wanna give the fans football they deserve..
I think its a bit more then only 4000 (Souchaux) and 20000 (Montbelliard) Inhabitants, there are a few other bigger Suburbs attached, wich grown completely together, and Belfort with about 50000 is very close by...
Thank you for speaking about us. We're not dead yet, we will survive this 🙌
Lets make it a fan club. Lets make it happen
Alfie mate I'm a man short for a football pub quiz this Friday, we always lose but if you could come along and make us look smart in front of the other lads that would be make my day. 8pm, Friday, the Rose and Crown, Hereford. Thanks mate
The title is misleading. Peugeot created the club, the new chinese owner destroyed the club not Peugeot who sold them a good and functionning football club !
Hello bro
Could you make a ranking of all Bartomeu signings?
“Communes” generally always go up in flames
Alfie you should do a video on the absolute shitshow taking place in serie b where there is like 6 teams from serie b and serie c fighting for 2 places in serie b next season
Great vid
Merci pour notre FC Sochaux Montbéliard ! 👍
Hi Alfie, could you please look at Owen Otasowie’s situation at Brugge, signed from Wolves for 4 million € and has seemingly gone missing, the club know nothing about his whereabouts
He was found last time he disappeared basically didn't get on with the manager cause he put him in the development squad. And went off grid. And it happened again this season something very strange about him
Titles videos "How Peugeot..." Majority of video deals with parties other than Peugeot.
No no it's Carlos Tavarès when becoming CEO of ex-PSA (now Stellantis) that caused everything. Please let Peugeot out of it ! The only guilty is Tavarès as it was his condition (selling the club) to become CEO of PSA.
to be fair it seems like the owners that came after Peugeot were the ones who destroyed it
This is what happens when owners buy a club for just another investment
Could you do a video IFK Gothenburg who are 2 time europa league champions but are now in the alvenskin relegation zone.
Alfie could you think about possibly doing a what is going on at southampton. Cincidering their current predicament??
Nothing's going on they got relegated but it's only competitive
Don't Forget Mercedes Benz Owning VFB Stuttgart
Please do one vid on southend United please ❤
I'm form Hong Kong, but never heard of that company.
Ah yes corporate greed and lack of loyalty destroying the beautiful game.
Sochaux, Bastia, Gazélec Ajaccio in France, Bury, Aldershot, Hereford in England and god knows how many more around Europe and the world....slowly but surely, when another team goes bust, a set of people are disenfranchised from the sport altogether. Even speaking to someone who grew up supporting Wimbledon talking to him about the phoenix club his response "yeah but it's not the same." That's the thing that gets forgotten about (if even thought of at all). Really horrifies me how badly things have gone with football. It very gently has sped up its own demise.
Bastia is back in Ligue 2. I know what you're taking about, that time when we (I support them) were forced down to the 5th tier for financial reasons. But the Bastia in Ligue 2 is the same as the one that once played a European final. Gazélec Ajaccio never recovered, and Bury didn't either. Hopefully Sochaux can come back, although things seem a bit grim for the third division team.
When painting that mural did they use a photo of Bonal or Roy Keane?
I think the funniest part of this is that Peugeot consider themselves 'up market'
I was wondering about that as well!
Bernard Genghini, Euro 1984 winner with France, started his career at Sochaux.
Excited to career mode this if they ever get back to L2. Or survive.
With the recent trend of major football clubs buying Smaller French Football Clubs (& thus treating them like B Teams + Academies). Perhaps Juventus should look to buy this club.
After all, the owners of Juventus just so happen to be the biggest shareholders in Stellantis, who of course own Peugeot these days.
Crazy to think about the common denominator among most collapsing clubs: Chinese ownership.
As a Tunisian I completely froze when I saw Silva dos Santos and remembered the impact Sochaux had on Tunisian football!
Im from Hong Kong and know that Mr Yau, the the current owner of souchaux is ambitious to Sports and had owned eastern Sc, a football club in Hong Kong, all the best for souchaux
Thank you for the info, any knowledge on the West Bromwich Albion situation?
Vid idea: oldest most unsuccessful team (could be a 7s or a Vid Essay), basically longest active team with the least amount of accolades/achievements
Any thoughts on Josko Gvardiol to Man City and Riyad Mahrez to al alhi?
Just think, if Tate and Lyle sponsored the French Cup, It'd be Coupe de Tate. We all continue to have crossed fingers for a new sponsor for Le Coupe, a revolution, a coup.....Bastia are well known in France, the phrase of endearment..."You Bastia" is always a pleasure to hear. Seriously, what a shame for the fanbase of Sochaux to watch their pride and joy being dismantled so horribly. They should blame Peugeot PSA for that.
Would love to see the best and worst transfers going back to the first transfers ever.
Post #8: Alfie you should really consider doing a video on the Bosnian men's national team, from being ranked 13 in the world in 2014 and qualifying for the World Cup in Brazil, to not qualifying for a single tournament since, yet managing to win their uefa nation leagues group, but genuinely hitting our lowest point with a 2-0 defeat to Luxembourg. Aging players, players who represent other national teams that are eligible to play for Bosnia but aren't seeming interested, just the genuine geopolitical mess that Bosnia is with how the Dayton agreement was meant to simply end the Bosnian war yet became the country's de facto constitution. I think it would make for a very interesting video, and could even span additional videos like how Velez Mostar are forced to play away from their original stadium in Mostar as it is on the Croatian side of the river, with their old stadium being taken over by Zrinjski Mostar. A club that was actually banned in Yugoslavia because of their nationalistic origin
Very sad for Sochaux, but big owners can be a big flop and money in in football has gone crazy but football is a game of money and shares, I prefer watching lower leagues with community based teams and fans, that is still the real football, thanks for video, hope bury go get going up now, Declan O'Doherty
Could you make a “what is happening to Watford video” please
#thepeopleschannel a video on the Bangladesh premier league and the rise of Bashundhara kings would be good
A team who went into the top flight after promotion and won the last four league titles now!
Are they the next Newcastle? Are they a team to keep a eye on next few years? Thanks Alfie 😊
Make a video on OL’s downfall as well.
I am once again asking for a video about Algeria's unofficial FLN national team (1958-1962)
Such a shame. Wish I had the money to help them out. Still remember the Coupe de France final versus OM, what a match that was for Les Jaunes et Bleus.
If I remember correctly one of Peugeot’s owners at one point in their history blew up one of their own factories.
Since the women’s World Cup is going on I think it would be cool to do a follow up to that Australian video last year.
Other than being a surprise of the 2022 WC the game is looking to change a lot over the next few years, not just in Aus but NZ as well.
New professional divisions and clubs are being made, including a potential NZ team, there’s also the Oceania Professional League that is supposedly going to be a thing within the next 2 years.
The NZ league is also an absolute mess rn so I hope the WWC and further 2026 WC Qualification will catapult the country to getting its own professional league or at least revised format.
Very interesting for a much overlooked part of the world
COME ON SOLOMON ISLANDS! AND FIJI, MAN!
RIP Sochaux my friend played for them
It's sad to consider a professional team going out of existence. Here in the US we take our top teams for granted. There are some colleges which have won national titles but chose to focus on academics, but professional teams seem to stay afloat. We have the same problem here with huge amounts of money going to the very top, but it would be unimaginable to me to see even a bad pro team go out of business. It hasn't happened in forever.
So when I see a Bury or Chester City or whoever disappear, or someone in another league, it's a reminder of how fragile things can be when you don't have tons of money. Or even if you do and spend it terribly.
The Oakland A’s are the closest thing to what goes on in European Football with teams like Sochaux and Bury.
Even then, the team still exists, in franchise only.
I guess that is the upside of your system without relegations?
BaltimoreColts*cough*Cleveland Browns*cough* Seattle Supersonics.
Arazona Coyotes have had
there financial issues in the past hence the name change from Phoenix Coyotes to
Arazona Coyotes because they where in major financial problems.
Also The Atlanta Thrashers
where relocated to Winnipeg
because of extremely poor ownership in Atlanta.
Plus there are is a hell of
a lot of terrible owners
in M.L.B.
Sports in North America
have there problem also.
No Sport in any country in the world is whiter than whit like you are trying to make out.
I have followed sports in
Noth America since 1993.
So don't try & paint a picture that is simply not true
Kemosabi.
@@Tazza81 Hm, yes ... but I think also teams play a *lot* of chicken with "oh, look at our profit margins, we need a new stadium to keep pace" so it's tough to tell how serious they are.
Or we're pretty confident someone will step in ready to buy a team either for fun or because they believe they can make a profit.
Come to think of it, we have had a lot of lesser leagues fold (lower level football, the WNBA's counterpart, and almost the CBA, thanks to Isaiah Thomas) but it just seems someone too rich for their own good will step in to save a team in a big sports metro area.
It'd be interesting if someone could cover, say, minor league baseball teams. Now I think about it, I bet a few are always in trouble.
Welp...I guess I know what my next FM save is going to be.
In honour of the England U21s winning the Euros, can you do a "Where are they now" video for the England starting XI at the 2009 Euro U21s final? There's a fascinating mix of future England superstars, players who never quite made the full England team, and players I've genuinely never heard of.
The idea of Peugeot of all brands trying to go upmarket is a joke. Their cars are passable mid tier at best. They aren't and won't even be a luxury brand.
Shame on them for discarding such an interesting part of their history like this 😕
I believe that Stellantis has pretty much given up on that "project" since merging with Fiat Chrysler (the focus is more on Jeep & Maserati being their luxury brands now). However it's kind of funny that Tavares now heads a company that sponsors Juventus...with a pretty generous sponsorship deal to boot.
Honestly though, their views on Football (from the sponsorship perspective) seem pretty daft considering the popularity of the game across the board.
Can we get an English counties best 11s for grass roots players?
As a fan of a very similar club (Wolfsburg,pretty much the German Version of Sochaux) I fear something similar might happen to my club in the coming years. It seems like our owners VW are really struggling to sell their new electric cars (which they wanna only produce in the coming years) and it might be that the company will be forced to cut their spending. If this would hit the club, it would be as disastrous as it was with Sochaux…
Not surprising VW's New Electric Cars or some look awful. VW own Audi and Seat and Buggati surely one of them is making money
You think VFL Wolfsburg will go down this season? 😊
@@BALHAM69 Nope not this season but I could see us struggling in the near future. Maybe in like 5 years or so
A bit disappointed in the lack of any form of Womens World Cup content considering it started today.