A native Finnish speaker here, tackling some of the Ahti-isms in this video. Many of his lines are direct translations to old sayings, idioms, poems or song lyrics that make little sense in the way they are worded. Ahti: Not so much evil that not a bit of good as well. Finnish: Ei niin pahaa ettei jotain hyvääkin. English: Every cloud has a silver lining. Ahti: Not one without the other. Finnish: Ei yhtä ilman toista. Meaning: These things come in pairs. Ahti: The work will instruct its maker. Finnish: Työ tekijäänsä neuvoo. English: You learn by doing. Ahti: The more cooks the worse the soup. Finnish: Mitä useampi kokki, sen huonompi soppa. English: Too many cooks spoil the broth. Ahti: Safe as in the Lord’s purse. Finnish: Tallessa kuin herran kukkarossa. Meaning: To be in a safe place. Ahti: The sun will shine even into a heap of twigs. Finnish: Paistaa se päivä risukasaankin. English: Every dog has its day. Ahti: He who moans about his troubles, is the prisoner of his troubles. Finnish: Ken vaivojansa vaikertaa, on vaivojensa vanki. Note: A verse from poem “Ilkka” by Kaarlo Kramsu first published in 1877, based on the life of Jaakko Ilkka who was a leader of the Cudgel War (a peasant revolt) in 1595. Also notable for the fact this could be an obscure easter egg only a Finn would catch since the likeness of Alan Wake is actor Ilkka Villi. Ahti: Name won’t make the man worse. Finnish: Ei nimi miestä pahenna. English: Rose by any other name. Ahti: We try to do good, but only prime comes out. Finnish: Hyvää yritetään, mutta priimaa pukkaa tulemaan. English: To go above and beyond. Ahti: Not so much sweet that it fills the whole stomach. Finnish: Ei makeaa mahan täydeltä. English: Too much of a good thing. Ahti: Only a seaman can know that, but even the seaman can’t know everything. Finnish: Vain merimies voi tietää, eikä merimieskään sentään kaikkea tiedä? Note: Saying based on a song "Vain merimies voi tietää" by Tapio Rautavaara. You can find many versions of it on UA-cam! Ahti: Rain is coming down like from the ass of Esteri. Finnish: Sataa kuin Esterin perseestä. English: It’s raining cats and dogs. Note: This one isn't included in the video but it was so funny I couldn't forget it when I played that chapter myself. Ahti: Time is long for those who wait. Finnish: Odottavan aika on pitkä. English: A watched pot never boils. Ahti: But in the end, stand the thanks. Finnish: Mutta lopussa kiitos seisoo. English: All’s well that ends well. Ahti: He who reaches for a spruce tree will stumble into a juniper. Finnish: Joka kuuseen kurkottaa, se katajaan kapsahtaa. English: Look high and fall low. Ahti: He has kicked empty. Finnish: Hän potkaisi tyhjää. English: He kicked the bucket. Ahti: Tease a crazy man and he will show his ways. Finnish: Härnää hullua, saat tapansa tietää. Meaning: A crazy person can't conceal their true nature when provoked enough. Ahti: What has been, has gone. Finnish: Se on ollutta ja mennyttä. English: Let bygones be bygones. Ahti: But trouble doesn’t look like this. Finnish: Ei hätä ole tämän näköinen. Meaning: The situation isn’t as bad as it looks like. Ahti: You can never know in which tree the devil sits. Finnish: Ei sitä koskaan tiedä, missä puussa piru istuu. Meaning: You should be careful. Ahti: That held you close. Finnish: Läheltä piti. English: That was a close call. Ahti: Onwards, said the granny in the snow. Finnish: Etiäpäin, sanoi mummo lumessa. Meaning: Keep going, even though it seems difficult. Ahti: When the panic is biggest, the help is also near. Finnish: Kun hätä on suurin, on apukin lähellä. Meaning: You should accept help when you’re in trouble. Ahti: Fearing the master is the root of wisdom. Finnish: Herran pelko on viisauden alku. English: The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. (Proverbs, 9:10) Ahti: Is there a bottom to this rumor? Finnish: Onko tällä huhulla pohjaa? English: Is there truth in this rumor? Ahti: Well-planned is half-done. Finnish: Hyvin suunniteltu on puoliksi tehty. English: Well begun is half done. Ahti: Light pictures Finnish: Valokuvat Note: The word “photograph” in Finnish is formed from the words valo (light) and kuva (picture). Ahti: What you leave behind, you find in front of you. Finnish: Minkä taakseen jättää sen edestään löytää. Meaning: Avoiding things will just lead to having to face them later on. Ahti: We loop around, and come together. Finnish: Ympäri mennään, yhteen tullaan. English: What goes around, comes around. Ahti: All you need is water and Vileda. Finnish: Tarvitset vain vettä ja Viledaa. Note: Finnish slogan for cleaning products manufactured by Vileda GmbH. Ahti: Water is the oldest balm. Finnish: Vesi vanhin voitehista. Note: An old saying from Kalevala. Ahti: Now there’s a devil in the fish trap. Finnish: Nyt on piru merrassa. Meaning: Refers to crabs getting stuck in fish traps, instead of fish. Ahti: The matter is a steak. Finnish: Asia on pihvi. Note: Loan from Swedish military slang, meaning something is approved. Ahti: Now comes the end of the rhyme. Finnish: Nyt tulee lorun loppu. English: This ends here.
Well said and as a finn too had to hear those couple of times more and you are on point correct. Imagine when they put those lines for Ahti and non-finns hear those and lines basically make no sense 🙂.
His introduction in Control is always his best moment, because he already knows that Jesse is there to become the new director and he just calls the position "the janitor's assistant". The Oldest House is his house, he just allows the FBC to be there.
I like to think he's a resident, what sets him apart from all the others. He plays the role of janitor, because who else is going to keep his home clean? All the messes people make, someone has to clean it up. The Anderson brothers are pretty wild though, real curious how they fit in, but we know Ahti is a fan at least.
I don't think just the oldest house. He has a room for himself even in the oceanview motel + athi is the name of an old finnish/nordic god of fishing/the sea so I think it's more like he watching over them making sure they don't screw up
As a Swedish person i fucking love ahti he is literally every Finnish person Ive ever met combined into one and i can tell you this better beer buddies you cannot find than a fin!
@@merimursu123 Aina löytyy syy haukkua ja syyttää ruotsalaisia joka asiasta mutta jos ruotsalainen kehuu suomalaisia tai myöntää että suomalaiset on parempia jossakin asiassa niin pakko respectaa
Even extra dimensions that brush up against ours need cleaning and maintenance. And like all custodians, it's best not to look into the finer details of their work. An audit would just prove to be costly.
As a Finnish person, few things are as funny as a believable, average Finnish guy popped into the middle of a game with American actors who are taking themselves quite seriously
American Actors ? Alan Wake and Thomas Zane are played by a Finnish guy. Alex Casey has Sam Lake's face who is also the creative director of Remedy and Finnish.
I m obsessed with the line "The work will instruct its maker" Because it seems to hint that Ahti is "The Work" and the maker is "Tom / Alan"... Thus it does seem like Ahti might be an insert character the author uses to move the plot forward and act as a mentor when he needs a hand... That coupled with the lines in Control where it seems like Wake also was the one that wrote Jessie into the FBC and created an "Alien Threat" aka the hiss, plus having Ahti in there to move the plot and help set up Jessie really makes it seem like maybe a huge portion of Control was caused by the Author's actions . Maybe in his desperation Wake realised he was fighting something too big for himself to handle, so he shuffled someone he knew as Jessie into the FCB, creating an opening and a threat to the bureau and guiding her through Ahti so that when the story calls for it, the FBC can show up with it's new Director to help wake with his current problems. I mean, he seemed pretty good at forcing Saga and Casey into this narrative and rewriting their life stories and narrative so they can accomplish his goals after all.
That's the thing, Ahti breaks the fourth wall, Mr Door also does it... and that means they are detached with the narrative, they have their own agenda. If Alan Wake is so powerful to a point of manipulating godlike beings because he has the creative control of the lake (Sam Lake is so snarky), that makes him a less interesting character in my pov and I guess Sam Lake is aware about this. Seems obvious Wake (Sam Lake) wrote Saga, Tor, Odin, Alex Casey, Jesse, etc.. these characters are all caricatures, however, Saga seems to be the daughter of Mr. Door, so she is fictional and not fictional at the same time, that's a classic mindfuck, because Alan Wake himself is fictional, Thomas Zane wrote Wake into existence. And idk if it was on purpose or not... probably not, but the fact Saga sounds like a robot the entire game, that only reinforces the idea of her being fictional (but I guess she is just a horrendous actress, simple as that, the contrast between Mr Door being so charismatic and Saga being so robotic, it's amusing, a great actor directly related with a terrible actress)
Here are the translations for the Finnish parts in brackets. Many of them are meaningless filler sentences and profanities that don't have direct counterparts in English. Ahti also uses lots of literal English translations of Finnish proverbs, so I've also listed and explained the Finnish expressions that I picked up. 0:09 (no niin) - Well then 0:15 Not so much evil... - "Ei niin pahaa ettei jotain hyvääkin", like saying every cloud has a silver lining 0:20 Not one without the other - "Ei yhtä ilman toista", saying the two things (good and evil) come together) 0:30 (No totta helvetissä) - Hell yeah 0:36 The work will instruct... - "Työ tekijäänsä opettaa", meaning one learns while doing 0:44 The more cooks... - "Mitä useampi kokki, sitä huonompi soppa", like too many cooks spoil the broth 0:57 (No joo, mutta katopa kun) - Well yeah, but you see 1:02 (Eikö niin?) - Isn't that right? 1:14 Safe as in the Lord's purse - To be very safe, from the 1 Samuel 25:29 passage in the Bible 1:43 The sun will shine even into a heap of twigs. - "Paistaa se päivä risukasaankin", every dog has its day 2:39 (No eipä siinä) - Well no problem / nothing wrong with that 2:42 Name won't make the man worse - Full version is "ei nimi miestä pahenna, ellei nimi miestä", literally "the name won't make the man worse, unless the man makes the name worse". 2:54 We try to do good... - "Hyvään pyritään, mutta priimaa tuppaa tulemaan" meaning the results are better than expected 3:05 (Perkeleen) vikings, (perkele) - Goddamn vikings, goddammit. "Perkele" is a popular curse word that originally referred to the god of thunder. The meaning switched to an evil spirit in Christian times. 3:12 (Minäkö?) - Me? 3:17 (Perkele, saatana, en ollu en) - Goddammit, shit, no I wasn't. "Saatana" is a profanity that literally means the devil. 3:20 Not so much sweet... - "Ei makeaa mahan täydeltä", meaning you shouldn't have too much good. 3:33 Only a seaman can know that - "Vain merimies voi tietää", referring to a classic Finnish song from the 1950s 3:53 Time is long for those who wait - "Odottavan aika on pitkä", close to "a watched pot never boils", referring to how long a wait can feel 3:57 But in the end... - "Lopussa kiitos seisoo", you get your praise in the end, close to "all's well that ends well" 4:10 He who reaches for a spruce - "Joka kuuseen kurkottaa se katajaan kapsahtaa", meaning you'll fall low if you aim too high 4:16 He has kicked empty - "Hän on potkaissut tyhjää", same as kicking the bucket i.e. dying 4:29 A fox never runs out of tricks - "Ei ketulta keinot lopu", referring to how a sly fox has many tricks up its sleeve 4:42 No use crying in the dark place - variation of "ei auta itku markkinoilla", literally "no use crying in the marketplace", referring to situations where crying and complaining is useless 4:43 What's has been gone, has gone. - "Mikä on ollutta, on mennyttä", what's gone is gone 4:48 But trouble doesn't look like this - "Ei hätä ole tämän näköinen", a phrase to cheer up and to point out the positive in a dark situation 4:59 You can never know... - "Ei sitä koskaan tiedä, missä puussa piru istuu", you cannot know who or what to trust 5:42 “Ai että nyt on kyllä joo” - Oh yeah, now that’s something 5:37 (Laittoi pojat jenkkakoneet soimaan, saatana) - The boys put the jenkka [a type of folk dance/music] machines on, goddammit 6:12 (Jumalauta) - Goddammit, literally shortened version of “God help” 6:17 (Ei muuta kun) - Nothing but 6:17 Onwards, said the granny in the snow - “Eteenpäin, sanoi mummo lumessa” meaning it’s no time to stop and worry, you should just move on 6:22 When the panic is biggest, the help is also near - “Kun hätä on suurin, on apukin lähellä” meaning help is always close in the worst situations 6:29 Fearing the master is the root of wisdom - “Herranpelko on viisauden alku”, from the Bible’s Psalm 111:10: “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of a wisdom” 6:44 (Perkele! Sehän olisikin) Damn, that would be something! 7:00 Yötön yö - Nightless night, the Finnish expression for the period of the midnight sun 7:11 Is there a bottom to this rumor? - “Onko tässä huhussa perää”, is there any truth in the rumor 7:17 Well-planned is half-done - “Hyvin suunniteltu on puoliksi tehty”, equivalent to “well begun is half done” 7:25 (mikä se valokuva oli) light pictures - “What was that photo”, and light pictures is a literal translation of the Finnish word for a photograph (with extra meaning in the context of Alan Wake) 7:47 We loop around… - “Ympäri käydään yhteen tullaan”, a little bit like “what comes around goes around”. Said when encountering someone again by chance 8:06 Water is the oldest balm - “Vesi vanhin voitehista” referring to the healing properties of water. From Finland’s national epic Kalevala 8:07 Water finds its way - “Kyllä vesi tiensä löytää”, meaning the water will naturally follow its course without intervening 8:12 What water brings… - “Minkä vesi tuo, sen vesi vie”. A more common version (that’s also the name of a classic song] refers to wind, not water. Meaning how things come and go on their own 8:31 Now there’s a devil in the fish trap - “Nyt on piru merrassa” is similar to “devil to pay” in English meaning that the events have led to a very bad situation 8:54 The matter is a steak - “Asia on pihvi”, the thing is now finished, agreed upon, or simply clear 9:00 Now comes the end of the rhyme - probably based on “lorun loppu”, which literally means the end of a poem, used like “end of story” in English And of course, Ahti is the god or spirit of water in the old Finnish mythology :)
Hol up. Ahti keeps talking bout water finding its way. Meanwhile Ahti is the name of god of the lakes and waters in finnish mythology. Damn the writers were cooking with this game.
A big theme in Alan Wake and AW2 is water as well. If you look closely, you can see that in Control Ahti sends you a post card from Watery, where Alan Wake 2 takes place. It's his vacation spot. A vacation spot for the god of water... called Watery.
@@Sam-vk8xd As per the documents and notes in Control, filming Ahti dancing and singing turns the cassette into an Object of Power. So no, it's not a coincidence 😊
Ahti’s line “Water is the memory of the world” feels incredibly important in explaining why the Dark Place is so strongly tied to creative works and why he can move through it so freely. If the lake is actually an ocean, of course a sea god should be able to move through it.
It might have deeper meaning and chosen on purpose, tho the water quotes are old finnish idioms. "Kyllä vesi tiensä löytää" = water finds its way. "Vesi vanhin voitehista" = water is the oldest balm. The "balm" isnt only towards humans but to earth (drought) too iirc. Cant say Ive heard "water is the memory of the world" before tho.
I love how calm and friendly Alan talks to Ahti towards the end. He might not truely understand who he is and what’s his role in all of this, but he knows that Ahti’s a kind spirit and here to help
Yep, the Lake is a fraction of Ahti (considering he is the God of water, it's a natural correlation). Thomas Zane was messing around with the Lake, created Alan Wake who created the FBC and Jesse Faden, etc.. Ahti had to interfere. And I think it's cool how Alan was so desperate for help, he wrote Jesse for that, but Ahti ends up helping him instead, to estabilize the goddamn Lake who was such a mess because of these over the top "artists". As for the DLC, most likely it will be centered around Tim Breaker (Time/Quantum Breaker) dealing with Mr. Door (maybe the God of time himself or the first time breaker). Now that Alan is free, Jesse has no purpose... so I guess Sam Lake is coming up with a justification to Control 2, it will take years
Agent Eztevez state that they are the only backup available at the moment, as the others FBC agents are occupied with the problem at the HQ. It's possible that The Oldest House is still dealing with some sort of Hiss problem (or maybe a new threat altogether), making Jesse unable to help with the recent Bright Falls AWE. Maybe Control 2 will uncover what Jesse dealing with at the time of Alan Wake 2 events.
@@RRRRRRRRR33 FBC and Jesse are never created by Alan. I think ahti is having holiday around bright falls and eventually caught by the tangle of dark place manifestation trapping ahti. When you play as saga you can find ahti in the senior house speaking gibberish and so confused with the situation.
@@rocketman-766 It seems to me that Ahti was grumpy because of these "artists" messing up with the lake, considering his direct corelation with water, I guess it's a safe bet to connect Ahti with the lake. As for Alan creating stuff, it's honestly hard to interpret it, Zane created Alan... But not really. Alan created Max Payne... But not really, etc.. I dont think the game give a definitive answer to that. Saga did acted like a robot through the game, maybe that was a deficiency of the voice actress, maybe she acts like a linear character because she is not really human (sames goes for Jesse, her story seems guided on purpose)
You should know that basically every weird line that comes from Ahti, are from old finnish sayings - translated word to word. That's why he doesn't really make sense. This is awesome footage if you want get into true finnish mindset. The matter is a steak.
It has Finnishism rallienglanti (Rally English) referring to very noticeable accent displayed by Finnish rally drivers like Tommi Mäkinen. Especially to Finns who usually formally start studying English by BBC English accents. Ahti's accent is exaggerated by actor (Martti Suosalo) who already speaks English in such accent.
Just occurred to me that when Alan sees Ahti for the last time he says "the matter is a steak... now comes the end of the rhyme" And what does steak rhyme with? Awake - which is what happens at the end of every loop, Alan realizes his unity with Scratch, and the spiral nature of his dealing with the dark presence
I think you are reading too much into it. It's just yet another one of his intentionally poorly translated "Finnishisms" lol Basically just means that something is clear or understood.
I wouldn't put it past these writers to do that. But still it's just a saying "lorun loppu" and "loru" could mean any kind of story as they were told in the past by rhymes, poems, songs, and such. So roughly it just means "end of story" but could also mean in this context "end of the fairy tale (now the real stuff begins)" but it's used in many ways like jokingly saying someone died or is going to.
I was playing Control less than a year ago, had to delete it for memory space requirements. It was a choice I was forced to and never got to finish it. Going back to where I was and start over is a long process, maybe I will watcha movie that includes all cutscenes.
It was so awesome seeing Ahti in the game, and the numerous nods he made about how Alan Wake is actually Tom Zane that flew over not only Wake’s head, but seemingly an inordinate amount of gamers as well. Tom Zane reincarnated himself into Alan Wake as an attempt to defeat the Dark Presence. Warlin Door is angry with Alan/Tom because not only can he change reality, Door has no idea how he is doing it and that was the purpose of the shows as Door was probi g Alan trying to figure out just how the hell he is doing it, and also angry because he dragged Saga into it. Wake’s reality manipulation powers rival Door’s and he isn’t the only one either as Breaker/Joyce also has the ability p, however Breaker seems to be in fog and is unaware that he and Joyce and every other version of himself and Faden/Wilder are all the same persons. Door trapped Breaker/Joyce in the Dark Place to help Alan, and to also make sure he cant interfere with what he (Door) is doing.
Not sure if it's already covered, but there is some dialogue, where Ahti seems to be a resident at that house with case of alzheimer's. It was disturbing, considering his role.
As soon as i heard the singing after recently playing control i was like, lol that sounds like ahti, then they fucking showed ahti and i remembered he’s a fucking anomaly
Was this captured on consoles? The defective lip syncing was so distracting on PC, I wonder if this is a thing on other platforms as well... seems to be the case, hope they fix this eventually. Anyway, I like how he calls Alan Wake as "Tom", because Wake is pretty much a "clone" of Thomas Zane, Ahti recognizes his supernatural origins, Wake was written into existence by Zane to free him from the Dark Place, but the artist's new perspective ends up taking over and "killing" Zane at the end. I know Zane is supposed to be alive, while helping Darling to escape, but I think this is just a silly joke because these dudes are all the same "person", Zane is the physical form, Alan Wake is a clone of the physical form with the voice of Darling, it's the kind of silly meta language that wound sound condescending if Kojima was involved, but Sam Lake is more humble. And of course, to fake out the audience, "Tom" is a generic depiction that a old janitor could use to speed up communication, but it actually has a "deeper" meaning and blablabla I recognize the mockery of Sam Lake, it's pretty cool indeed, Alan Wake deserves praise on this regard, a shame the puzzles are so basic and the combat is fucking terrible
I guess he teleported to Bright Falls because that required his immediate attention, after all, if he is the God of water it only makes sense the Lake is a fraction of Ahti... and Thomas Zane is messing around with the Lake, here it comes Alan Wake, etc.. Ahti had to interfere. Alan wrote Jesse Faden into existence to help him, but the help comes from Ahti, who trained Jesse to keep things under control until Ahti stabilized the Lake
You do go to an Oceanview Hotel in the Dark Place during Alan's segments (which, despite the name, is not the motel location from Control). However, that door with the spiral leads to the very end of the game in Alan Wake 2.
@@casuallydeep There is one with saga that if you go on the Old Gods of Asgard quest, upstairs if you wait, he will go sit on the bed and starts questioning himself about things, implying that he is being drawn into the story that Alan created without his own will, and wanted to be on vacation.
The uncanny valley is more noticeable on younger characters (even so, Disney screwed things up in Rogue One... well, hard to imagine Disney not screwing things up)
There's something comforting knowing he's there looking out for you. That's what Gods are for, after all.
Or giving cancer to babies and kids. That's what gods are also good at.
The good ones at least
Whenever I see the "wet floor" sign I know he's watching
He's a supernatural entity who is looking after Alan, just as Mister Door is.
A native Finnish speaker here, tackling some of the Ahti-isms in this video. Many of his lines are direct translations to old sayings, idioms, poems or song lyrics that make little sense in the way they are worded.
Ahti: Not so much evil that not a bit of good as well.
Finnish: Ei niin pahaa ettei jotain hyvääkin.
English: Every cloud has a silver lining.
Ahti: Not one without the other.
Finnish: Ei yhtä ilman toista.
Meaning: These things come in pairs.
Ahti: The work will instruct its maker.
Finnish: Työ tekijäänsä neuvoo.
English: You learn by doing.
Ahti: The more cooks the worse the soup.
Finnish: Mitä useampi kokki, sen huonompi soppa.
English: Too many cooks spoil the broth.
Ahti: Safe as in the Lord’s purse.
Finnish: Tallessa kuin herran kukkarossa.
Meaning: To be in a safe place.
Ahti: The sun will shine even into a heap of twigs.
Finnish: Paistaa se päivä risukasaankin.
English: Every dog has its day.
Ahti: He who moans about his troubles, is the prisoner of his troubles.
Finnish: Ken vaivojansa vaikertaa, on vaivojensa vanki.
Note: A verse from poem “Ilkka” by Kaarlo Kramsu first published in 1877, based on the life of Jaakko Ilkka who was a leader of the Cudgel War (a peasant revolt) in 1595. Also notable for the fact this could be an obscure easter egg only a Finn would catch since the likeness of Alan Wake is actor Ilkka Villi.
Ahti: Name won’t make the man worse.
Finnish: Ei nimi miestä pahenna.
English: Rose by any other name.
Ahti: We try to do good, but only prime comes out.
Finnish: Hyvää yritetään, mutta priimaa pukkaa tulemaan.
English: To go above and beyond.
Ahti: Not so much sweet that it fills the whole stomach.
Finnish: Ei makeaa mahan täydeltä.
English: Too much of a good thing.
Ahti: Only a seaman can know that, but even the seaman can’t know everything.
Finnish: Vain merimies voi tietää, eikä merimieskään sentään kaikkea tiedä?
Note: Saying based on a song "Vain merimies voi tietää" by Tapio Rautavaara. You can find many versions of it on UA-cam!
Ahti: Rain is coming down like from the ass of Esteri.
Finnish: Sataa kuin Esterin perseestä.
English: It’s raining cats and dogs.
Note: This one isn't included in the video but it was so funny I couldn't forget it when I played that chapter myself.
Ahti: Time is long for those who wait.
Finnish: Odottavan aika on pitkä.
English: A watched pot never boils.
Ahti: But in the end, stand the thanks.
Finnish: Mutta lopussa kiitos seisoo.
English: All’s well that ends well.
Ahti: He who reaches for a spruce tree will stumble into a juniper.
Finnish: Joka kuuseen kurkottaa, se katajaan kapsahtaa.
English: Look high and fall low.
Ahti: He has kicked empty.
Finnish: Hän potkaisi tyhjää.
English: He kicked the bucket.
Ahti: Tease a crazy man and he will show his ways.
Finnish: Härnää hullua, saat tapansa tietää.
Meaning: A crazy person can't conceal their true nature when provoked enough.
Ahti: What has been, has gone.
Finnish: Se on ollutta ja mennyttä.
English: Let bygones be bygones.
Ahti: But trouble doesn’t look like this.
Finnish: Ei hätä ole tämän näköinen.
Meaning: The situation isn’t as bad as it looks like.
Ahti: You can never know in which tree the devil sits.
Finnish: Ei sitä koskaan tiedä, missä puussa piru istuu.
Meaning: You should be careful.
Ahti: That held you close.
Finnish: Läheltä piti.
English: That was a close call.
Ahti: Onwards, said the granny in the snow.
Finnish: Etiäpäin, sanoi mummo lumessa.
Meaning: Keep going, even though it seems difficult.
Ahti: When the panic is biggest, the help is also near.
Finnish: Kun hätä on suurin, on apukin lähellä.
Meaning: You should accept help when you’re in trouble.
Ahti: Fearing the master is the root of wisdom.
Finnish: Herran pelko on viisauden alku.
English: The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. (Proverbs, 9:10)
Ahti: Is there a bottom to this rumor?
Finnish: Onko tällä huhulla pohjaa?
English: Is there truth in this rumor?
Ahti: Well-planned is half-done.
Finnish: Hyvin suunniteltu on puoliksi tehty.
English: Well begun is half done.
Ahti: Light pictures
Finnish: Valokuvat
Note: The word “photograph” in Finnish is formed from the words valo (light) and kuva (picture).
Ahti: What you leave behind, you find in front of you.
Finnish: Minkä taakseen jättää sen edestään löytää.
Meaning: Avoiding things will just lead to having to face them later on.
Ahti: We loop around, and come together.
Finnish: Ympäri mennään, yhteen tullaan.
English: What goes around, comes around.
Ahti: All you need is water and Vileda.
Finnish: Tarvitset vain vettä ja Viledaa.
Note: Finnish slogan for cleaning products manufactured by Vileda GmbH.
Ahti: Water is the oldest balm.
Finnish: Vesi vanhin voitehista.
Note: An old saying from Kalevala.
Ahti: Now there’s a devil in the fish trap.
Finnish: Nyt on piru merrassa.
Meaning: Refers to crabs getting stuck in fish traps, instead of fish.
Ahti: The matter is a steak.
Finnish: Asia on pihvi.
Note: Loan from Swedish military slang, meaning something is approved.
Ahti: Now comes the end of the rhyme.
Finnish: Nyt tulee lorun loppu.
English: This ends here.
Thank you!
Some of these make intrinsic sense somehow. Thanks for doing this!
Thanks for doing that. I always loved his use of directly translated sayings.
A poem about "Jaakko Ilkka?" Does it ever end? I'm losing my mind
Well said and as a finn too had to hear those couple of times more and you are on point correct. Imagine when they put those lines for Ahti and non-finns hear those and lines basically make no sense 🙂.
His introduction in Control is always his best moment, because he already knows that Jesse is there to become the new director and he just calls the position "the janitor's assistant". The Oldest House is his house, he just allows the FBC to be there.
I like to think he's a resident, what sets him apart from all the others.
He plays the role of janitor, because who else is going to keep his home clean? All the messes people make, someone has to clean it up. The Anderson brothers are pretty wild though, real curious how they fit in, but we know Ahti is a fan at least.
You know what the literal translation of "janitor" is in Finnish? "Man of the house".
@@UndeadDragonWarrior from context, they seem to be pal with Ahti. Not everyone are allow to have sauna and cold beer with the god of water
I don't think just the oldest house. He has a room for himself even in the oceanview motel + athi is the name of an old finnish/nordic god of fishing/the sea so I think it's more like he watching over them making sure they don't screw up
There's an interaction between Saga at one point regarding helping Ahti and Ahti says he already has an assistant.
I love how no matter how off putting he initially can be, Alan, Saga and Jesse all can immediately tell Athi is a good sort.
Now after knowing a bit of CONTROL, it’s funny that Ahti seems more energetic, looks like he really needs that vacation.
stress does that even to gods i guess
He's so kind he even tolerates the Swedish, he truly believes no one is beyond saving
The love, respect, and peace in Alan's voice when he meets Ahti for the last time is just wonderful!
I think that is the point he realizes Ahti is not just a random real guy also lost in the Dark Place like Breaker and Zane
As a Swedish person i fucking love ahti he is literally every Finnish person Ive ever met combined into one and i can tell you this better beer buddies you cannot find than a fin!
Just det perkele!
@@junkiebrown62 Hyvää
He's a bit warmer and friendlier than every Finn I've met.
As a finnish person, I speak rally english, drink koskenkorva vodka, watch icehockey and live in a sauna.
Ps. Ruotsi haisee
@@merimursu123 Aina löytyy syy haukkua ja syyttää ruotsalaisia joka asiasta mutta jos ruotsalainen kehuu suomalaisia tai myöntää että suomalaiset on parempia jossakin asiassa niin pakko respectaa
ahti being the same good old janitor just like in control
Now have a band name the janitors and you can see playng in brighth fall
Even extra dimensions that brush up against ours need cleaning and maintenance.
And like all custodians, it's best not to look into the finer details of their work. An audit would just prove to be costly.
Ahti (playfully) dissing the Swedes is my favorite thing
Every Scandi country disses every other Scandi country, but we do it lovingly.
@@evilmiera Finland isn't Scandinavia
@@tapio5193 yeah yeah
@@evilmiera finland is not scandinavian 😂
@@evilmiera Every Nordic country disses each other, but can always find common ground in dissing the Swedes.
As a Finnish person, few things are as funny as a believable, average Finnish guy popped into the middle of a game with American actors who are taking themselves quite seriously
American Actors ? Alan Wake and Thomas Zane are played by a Finnish guy. Alex Casey has Sam Lake's face who is also the creative director of Remedy and Finnish.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombatMust have meant "character" instead
I paused at 1:31 and by accident timed it perfectly for Ahti to make a ridiculous pog face. Blessed be that man.
I m obsessed with the line "The work will instruct its maker" Because it seems to hint that Ahti is "The Work" and the maker is "Tom / Alan"... Thus it does seem like Ahti might be an insert character the author uses to move the plot forward and act as a mentor when he needs a hand... That coupled with the lines in Control where it seems like Wake also was the one that wrote Jessie into the FBC and created an "Alien Threat" aka the hiss, plus having Ahti in there to move the plot and help set up Jessie really makes it seem like maybe a huge portion of Control was caused by the Author's actions . Maybe in his desperation Wake realised he was fighting something too big for himself to handle, so he shuffled someone he knew as Jessie into the FCB, creating an opening and a threat to the bureau and guiding her through Ahti so that when the story calls for it, the FBC can show up with it's new Director to help wake with his current problems. I mean, he seemed pretty good at forcing Saga and Casey into this narrative and rewriting their life stories and narrative so they can accomplish his goals after all.
Like most of what Ahti says, "The work will instruct its maker" is a REALLY rough translation of finnish proverb: "työ tekijäänsä neuvoo"
Is he confusing Alan Wake with Tom Zane?
@@maccaroni3694 doubt it, I think it's because Tom wrote Alan into existance before the first game
@@Struggler12349 maybe Alan is just copying Tom and thereby being Tom *gasp*
That's the thing, Ahti breaks the fourth wall, Mr Door also does it... and that means they are detached with the narrative, they have their own agenda. If Alan Wake is so powerful to a point of manipulating godlike beings because he has the creative control of the lake (Sam Lake is so snarky), that makes him a less interesting character in my pov and I guess Sam Lake is aware about this. Seems obvious Wake (Sam Lake) wrote Saga, Tor, Odin, Alex Casey, Jesse, etc.. these characters are all caricatures, however, Saga seems to be the daughter of Mr. Door, so she is fictional and not fictional at the same time, that's a classic mindfuck, because Alan Wake himself is fictional, Thomas Zane wrote Wake into existence. And idk if it was on purpose or not... probably not, but the fact Saga sounds like a robot the entire game, that only reinforces the idea of her being fictional (but I guess she is just a horrendous actress, simple as that, the contrast between Mr Door being so charismatic and Saga being so robotic, it's amusing, a great actor directly related with a terrible actress)
I love that Ahti uses lots of Finnish sayings when he speaks 😊
Here are the translations for the Finnish parts in brackets. Many of them are meaningless filler sentences and profanities that don't have direct counterparts in English. Ahti also uses lots of literal English translations of Finnish proverbs, so I've also listed and explained the Finnish expressions that I picked up.
0:09 (no niin) - Well then
0:15 Not so much evil... - "Ei niin pahaa ettei jotain hyvääkin", like saying every cloud has a silver lining
0:20 Not one without the other - "Ei yhtä ilman toista", saying the two things (good and evil) come together)
0:30 (No totta helvetissä) - Hell yeah
0:36 The work will instruct... - "Työ tekijäänsä opettaa", meaning one learns while doing
0:44 The more cooks... - "Mitä useampi kokki, sitä huonompi soppa", like too many cooks spoil the broth
0:57 (No joo, mutta katopa kun) - Well yeah, but you see
1:02 (Eikö niin?) - Isn't that right?
1:14 Safe as in the Lord's purse - To be very safe, from the 1 Samuel 25:29 passage in the Bible
1:43 The sun will shine even into a heap of twigs. - "Paistaa se päivä risukasaankin", every dog has its day
2:39 (No eipä siinä) - Well no problem / nothing wrong with that
2:42 Name won't make the man worse - Full version is "ei nimi miestä pahenna, ellei nimi miestä", literally "the name won't make the man worse, unless the man makes the name worse".
2:54 We try to do good... - "Hyvään pyritään, mutta priimaa tuppaa tulemaan" meaning the results are better than expected
3:05 (Perkeleen) vikings, (perkele) - Goddamn vikings, goddammit. "Perkele" is a popular curse word that originally referred to the god of thunder. The meaning switched to an evil spirit in Christian times.
3:12 (Minäkö?) - Me?
3:17 (Perkele, saatana, en ollu en) - Goddammit, shit, no I wasn't. "Saatana" is a profanity that literally means the devil.
3:20 Not so much sweet... - "Ei makeaa mahan täydeltä", meaning you shouldn't have too much good.
3:33 Only a seaman can know that - "Vain merimies voi tietää", referring to a classic Finnish song from the 1950s
3:53 Time is long for those who wait - "Odottavan aika on pitkä", close to "a watched pot never boils", referring to how long a wait can feel
3:57 But in the end... - "Lopussa kiitos seisoo", you get your praise in the end, close to "all's well that ends well"
4:10 He who reaches for a spruce - "Joka kuuseen kurkottaa se katajaan kapsahtaa", meaning you'll fall low if you aim too high
4:16 He has kicked empty - "Hän on potkaissut tyhjää", same as kicking the bucket i.e. dying
4:29 A fox never runs out of tricks - "Ei ketulta keinot lopu", referring to how a sly fox has many tricks up its sleeve
4:42 No use crying in the dark place - variation of "ei auta itku markkinoilla", literally "no use crying in the marketplace", referring to situations where crying and complaining is useless
4:43 What's has been gone, has gone. - "Mikä on ollutta, on mennyttä", what's gone is gone
4:48 But trouble doesn't look like this - "Ei hätä ole tämän näköinen", a phrase to cheer up and to point out the positive in a dark situation
4:59 You can never know... - "Ei sitä koskaan tiedä, missä puussa piru istuu", you cannot know who or what to trust
5:42 “Ai että nyt on kyllä joo” - Oh yeah, now that’s something
5:37 (Laittoi pojat jenkkakoneet soimaan, saatana) - The boys put the jenkka [a type of folk dance/music] machines on, goddammit
6:12 (Jumalauta) - Goddammit, literally shortened version of “God help”
6:17 (Ei muuta kun) - Nothing but
6:17 Onwards, said the granny in the snow - “Eteenpäin, sanoi mummo lumessa” meaning it’s no time to stop and worry, you should just move on
6:22 When the panic is biggest, the help is also near - “Kun hätä on suurin, on apukin lähellä” meaning help is always close in the worst situations
6:29 Fearing the master is the root of wisdom - “Herranpelko on viisauden alku”, from the Bible’s Psalm 111:10: “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of a wisdom”
6:44 (Perkele! Sehän olisikin) Damn, that would be something!
7:00 Yötön yö - Nightless night, the Finnish expression for the period of the midnight sun
7:11 Is there a bottom to this rumor? - “Onko tässä huhussa perää”, is there any truth in the rumor
7:17 Well-planned is half-done - “Hyvin suunniteltu on puoliksi tehty”, equivalent to “well begun is half done”
7:25 (mikä se valokuva oli) light pictures - “What was that photo”, and light pictures is a literal translation of the Finnish word for a photograph (with extra meaning in the context of Alan Wake)
7:47 We loop around… - “Ympäri käydään yhteen tullaan”, a little bit like “what comes around goes around”. Said when encountering someone again by chance
8:06 Water is the oldest balm - “Vesi vanhin voitehista” referring to the healing properties of water. From Finland’s national epic Kalevala
8:07 Water finds its way - “Kyllä vesi tiensä löytää”, meaning the water will naturally follow its course without intervening
8:12 What water brings… - “Minkä vesi tuo, sen vesi vie”. A more common version (that’s also the name of a classic song] refers to wind, not water. Meaning how things come and go on their own
8:31 Now there’s a devil in the fish trap - “Nyt on piru merrassa” is similar to “devil to pay” in English meaning that the events have led to a very bad situation
8:54 The matter is a steak - “Asia on pihvi”, the thing is now finished, agreed upon, or simply clear
9:00 Now comes the end of the rhyme - probably based on “lorun loppu”, which literally means the end of a poem, used like “end of story” in English
And of course, Ahti is the god or spirit of water in the old Finnish mythology :)
Hol up. Ahti keeps talking bout water finding its way. Meanwhile Ahti is the name of god of the lakes and waters in finnish mythology. Damn the writers were cooking with this game.
A big theme in Alan Wake and AW2 is water as well. If you look closely, you can see that in Control Ahti sends you a post card from Watery, where Alan Wake 2 takes place. It's his vacation spot. A vacation spot for the god of water... called Watery.
@@t-pnaminami3808my eyes get watery whenever I listen to Ahti sing. Coincidence?
@@Sam-vk8xd As per the documents and notes in Control, filming Ahti dancing and singing turns the cassette into an Object of Power. So no, it's not a coincidence 😊
Ahti’s line “Water is the memory of the world” feels incredibly important in explaining why the Dark Place is so strongly tied to creative works and why he can move through it so freely. If the lake is actually an ocean, of course a sea god should be able to move through it.
It might have deeper meaning and chosen on purpose, tho the water quotes are old finnish idioms. "Kyllä vesi tiensä löytää" = water finds its way.
"Vesi vanhin voitehista" = water is the oldest balm. The "balm" isnt only towards humans but to earth (drought) too iirc. Cant say Ive heard "water is the memory of the world" before tho.
I love how calm and friendly Alan talks to Ahti towards the end. He might not truely understand who he is and what’s his role in all of this, but he knows that Ahti’s a kind spirit and here to help
So this is what Ahti was doing on his vacation. Hopefully his assistant (Jesse) will come for dlc
Yep, the Lake is a fraction of Ahti (considering he is the God of water, it's a natural correlation). Thomas Zane was messing around with the Lake, created Alan Wake who created the FBC and Jesse Faden, etc.. Ahti had to interfere. And I think it's cool how Alan was so desperate for help, he wrote Jesse for that, but Ahti ends up helping him instead, to estabilize the goddamn Lake who was such a mess because of these over the top "artists". As for the DLC, most likely it will be centered around Tim Breaker (Time/Quantum Breaker) dealing with Mr. Door (maybe the God of time himself or the first time breaker). Now that Alan is free, Jesse has no purpose... so I guess Sam Lake is coming up with a justification to Control 2, it will take years
Agent Eztevez state that they are the only backup available at the moment, as the others FBC agents are occupied with the problem at the HQ. It's possible that The Oldest House is still dealing with some sort of Hiss problem (or maybe a new threat altogether), making Jesse unable to help with the recent Bright Falls AWE. Maybe Control 2 will uncover what Jesse dealing with at the time of Alan Wake 2 events.
@@RRRRRRRRR33 FBC and Jesse are never created by Alan. I think ahti is having holiday around bright falls and eventually caught by the tangle of dark place manifestation trapping ahti. When you play as saga you can find ahti in the senior house speaking gibberish and so confused with the situation.
@@rocketman-766 It seems to me that Ahti was grumpy because of these "artists" messing up with the lake, considering his direct corelation with water, I guess it's a safe bet to connect Ahti with the lake. As for Alan creating stuff, it's honestly hard to interpret it, Zane created Alan... But not really. Alan created Max Payne... But not really, etc.. I dont think the game give a definitive answer to that. Saga did acted like a robot through the game, maybe that was a deficiency of the voice actress, maybe she acts like a linear character because she is not really human (sames goes for Jesse, her story seems guided on purpose)
I just realized that he was humming “Yoton Yo” the first time Alan saw Ahti.
Funny thing is he was listening to Sankarin Tango when We meet him first time in control.
Was just about to comment this low
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombatAw that’s so sick
You should know that basically every weird line that comes from Ahti, are from old finnish sayings - translated word to word. That's why he doesn't really make sense. This is awesome footage if you want get into true finnish mindset. The matter is a steak.
Rain is coming down like from the ass of Esteri was the best one I've heard from him 😂😂
@@tomasglavina4166 lmao yeah it was a good one
It’s funny how Ahti see’s Alan’s condition (WINK) from the very beginning lol
Ahti is like the Lutece Twin from Bioshock, your weird but friendly neighborhood godly beings~
Him and Dr Darling are the biggest enigma
I just now realised that his voice is of. Somehow sounding too loud but also distant. Thats a pretty neat touch.
Ah, good old Ahti.
More like old God Ahti
i love the gag of ahti being in a room that just has a picture of him on the door
Absolutley love the finnish accent.
It has Finnishism rallienglanti (Rally English) referring to very noticeable accent displayed by Finnish rally drivers like Tommi Mäkinen. Especially to Finns who usually formally start studying English by BBC English accents. Ahti's accent is exaggerated by actor (Martti Suosalo) who already speaks English in such accent.
The water analogy hit me right in the strings of the heart. ❤
Just occurred to me that when Alan sees Ahti for the last time he says "the matter is a steak... now comes the end of the rhyme"
And what does steak rhyme with? Awake - which is what happens at the end of every loop, Alan realizes his unity with Scratch, and the spiral nature of his dealing with the dark presence
I think you are reading too much into it. It's just yet another one of his intentionally poorly translated "Finnishisms" lol
Basically just means that something is clear or understood.
Haha entirely possible
I wouldn't put it past these writers to do that. But still it's just a saying "lorun loppu" and "loru" could mean any kind of story as they were told in the past by rhymes, poems, songs, and such. So roughly it just means "end of story" but could also mean in this context "end of the fairy tale (now the real stuff begins)" but it's used in many ways like jokingly saying someone died or is going to.
Ahti is always a friendly face. Just a Finnish man, who sails the seas.
I love him so much
I haven't played Control, yet I love this guy already.
You should, it’s pretty fun. You get to be the Director
you'll love him even more if you do
I was playing Control less than a year ago, had to delete it for memory space requirements. It was a choice I was forced to and never got to finish it. Going back to where I was and start over is a long process, maybe I will watcha movie that includes all cutscenes.
In Control Ahti refers to Swedish Vikings these in Alan Wake 2 are the ones being referenced
Hahaha solen skiner även på en hög med kvistar hahaha jumalauta!
It was so awesome seeing Ahti in the game, and the numerous nods he made about how Alan Wake is actually Tom Zane that flew over not only Wake’s head, but seemingly an inordinate amount of gamers as well. Tom Zane reincarnated himself into Alan Wake as an attempt to defeat the Dark Presence. Warlin Door is angry with Alan/Tom because not only can he change reality, Door has no idea how he is doing it and that was the purpose of the shows as Door was probi g Alan trying to figure out just how the hell he is doing it, and also angry because he dragged Saga into it. Wake’s reality manipulation powers rival Door’s and he isn’t the only one either as Breaker/Joyce also has the ability p, however Breaker seems to be in fog and is unaware that he and Joyce and every other version of himself and Faden/Wilder are all the same persons. Door trapped Breaker/Joyce in the Dark Place to help Alan, and to also make sure he cant interfere with what he (Door) is doing.
LAITTOPI POJJAAT JENKKAKONEET SOIMAA SAATHHANA HEHHEH ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Good to see you here Hoot
Did you get the chance to play it?
TOM 😂
Not sure if it's already covered, but there is some dialogue, where Ahti seems to be a resident at that house with case of alzheimer's. It was disturbing, considering his role.
WE NEED TRANSALATIONS IMMEDIATELY LOL
Thank you for the suggestion, I just posted translations for all the Finnish expressions in a new comment now! 😁
Ahti
Martti Suosalo, legend 👏👏👏
Think Ahti would destroy mr. Scratch or any evil thing , If .. theyd try steal his music player
Lore wise, easily, ahti is finnish mythology god and these beings are just small fries to him xD
"Name wont make the man worse, even a Swedish name."
Truly a Finnish thing to say.
Ahti was the best thing about this game
As soon as i heard the singing after recently playing control i was like, lol that sounds like ahti, then they fucking showed ahti and i remembered he’s a fucking anomaly
vittu ahti on kyllä kova mies
He always reminded me of that janitor guy from Strange Days at Blake Holsey High.
The suit burns better, look.
2:27 a friendly face! and Ahti didnt reply to his mental comment :C
What is the quote he says as you walk away while he is by the juke box? Something about not rushing that I liked.
Ahti is best boy
Was this captured on consoles? The defective lip syncing was so distracting on PC, I wonder if this is a thing on other platforms as well... seems to be the case, hope they fix this eventually. Anyway, I like how he calls Alan Wake as "Tom", because Wake is pretty much a "clone" of Thomas Zane, Ahti recognizes his supernatural origins, Wake was written into existence by Zane to free him from the Dark Place, but the artist's new perspective ends up taking over and "killing" Zane at the end. I know Zane is supposed to be alive, while helping Darling to escape, but I think this is just a silly joke because these dudes are all the same "person", Zane is the physical form, Alan Wake is a clone of the physical form with the voice of Darling, it's the kind of silly meta language that wound sound condescending if Kojima was involved, but Sam Lake is more humble. And of course, to fake out the audience, "Tom" is a generic depiction that a old janitor could use to speed up communication, but it actually has a "deeper" meaning and blablabla I recognize the mockery of Sam Lake, it's pretty cool indeed, Alan Wake deserves praise on this regard, a shame the puzzles are so basic and the combat is fucking terrible
I want to be a man like he.
Lennart Lindberg jumalauta!
What will happen to the oldest house without its janitor? Unless he is still there and have some projection powers.
I guess he teleported to Bright Falls because that required his immediate attention, after all, if he is the God of water it only makes sense the Lake is a fraction of Ahti... and Thomas Zane is messing around with the Lake, here it comes Alan Wake, etc.. Ahti had to interfere. Alan wrote Jesse Faden into existence to help him, but the help comes from Ahti, who trained Jesse to keep things under control until Ahti stabilized the Lake
😆😆perkele saatana
The symbol on that door, does it lead to the motel from control, i havent played alan wake 2 yet
You do go to an Oceanview Hotel in the Dark Place during Alan's segments (which, despite the name, is not the motel location from Control). However, that door with the spiral leads to the very end of the game in Alan Wake 2.
There is a lot of things missing but ok
are there any other scenes ? (besides him singing on stage and him appearing in yoton yo)
@@casuallydeep There is one with saga that if you go on the Old Gods of Asgard quest, upstairs if you wait, he will go sit on the bed and starts questioning himself about things, implying that he is being drawn into the story that Alan created without his own will, and wanted to be on vacation.
It's funny that people don't understand anything that Ahti says in Finnish non other than Finnish people
is athi cgi? why does he looks so real compare to all other characters?
The uncanny valley is more noticeable on younger characters (even so, Disney screwed things up in Rogue One... well, hard to imagine Disney not screwing things up)
the facial mimic in the entire game is majestic.
Voi vittu :DD
Is he in the oldest house
No remember, ahti went on vacation somewhere else during control
In 2:34 - 3:45 part you missed one Ahti's line ¨Rain comes down like from the ass of esteri´ Or something like that i don't remenber exactly.
I watched many all Ahti videos and none of those had that line. But i'm 100% sure that i heard and i saw it.