How to make screens look good on camera - Film Making for Newbs
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- Ever tried to film a TV screen or computer monitor and experienced flicker or poor color quality? Here's how you can make TV screens and computer monitors look great on camera, including the old school CRT televisions... Using the same methods as the professionals in Hollywood.
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I wondered what tricks were used to get these results. Pretty cool that there are many ways to accomplish those results. Great video!
DUDE, such a thorough video on the processes to eliminate screen flicker. Thanks for making this!
Thanks for watching!
@@klawrence1987 .
Was looking a while for this. Exactly what I needed!
Thanks for watching!
THANK YOU! I’ve needed this information for ages, so I really appreciate it, brother.
Your video just enabled us to do a really cool project when we were totally stuck and we were just about to give up. It fixed our problem in about ten seconds. Thank you!!
Laurie Hitzelberger that’s awesome to hear!! Thanks for watching!
Not really a newb tip. This is pretty advanced and excellent info. Thanks!
Advanced indeed! Thanks for watching!
Really brilliant video - exactly what I needed to know, said very concisely - thank you so much!
thanks for watching!
This was an excellent video! Straight to the point and very informative, great job man 👍
Thanks!!
THANK YOU SO MUCH I REALLY NEEDED THIS
Increasing the backlight fixed my problem! Thank you!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
Great video bro! Really helpful
Thanks!
Thanks Kyle, this was really helpful!
Adrian Prath thanks!
This is hugely helpful, thank you so much
Thanks!
Thanks Kyle ramped up backlight to max and no more flicker. Kyle's next video on how to adjust your hair color.
Aaaahhhh the flickering screen thing is driving me crazy! Thanks for the help.
Great video, deserves more views
Thanks!
Very helpful. Thank you!
Thanks!!
Very thorough. thank you
No... thank you :)
Superb video dude, thanks a lot.
Rolando Lopez thanks!
A great tutorial 👍 Thank you!.
Codrean Artur thanks!
Loved the video!
THANKS!
Brilliant! V helpful. Thank you.
Kate Barton thanks!
Thanks dude!
VERY useful. Thanks bro !
Thanks!
Such a deep and thorough review! Thankx
Brother, God Bless you for this! Time to up my Gaming Channel!!
Thanks!
GREAT VIDEO THANKS A LOT!
Thanks!
You are a genius
Haha thanks!
Some crazy stabilization artifacts going on behind your head at 6:45!
Yes sir!
Ahhhh, there it is. Google Photos' video stabilization 😅😅 Thanks for the detailed video.
very helpful tutorial, thank you. would any of these tips help with projectors?
thanks trying to record using my phone from a oldschool camera
Hi Kyle
A big thank you for this video. You saved my life. Not exaggerating. Really saved my life.
Here is my story. I am a youtuber i teach engineering.
In process of upgrading my white board to interactive board i brought 75" touch screen.
Now i got lots of problems in setting up my studio. I tried for more than a week for the best output. All my efforts are very disappointing.
Your video is the only video which helped me in solving my problem in just an hour.
Thank you very much.
p vikram awesome! Thanks for watching!
Hi Kyle, I got my new iPhone and noticed this flicker when on screens. My tv is a Panasonic Viera. Is it an issue with my camera or TV? Brilliant video
As of right now, I have a DVD that I can only play on a DVD player, can't finalize it, so as of right now I have no choice but to record a TV screen. there is a action shot i'm trying to get but for some obvious reason it is all digitally jumpy. Is there any way I can finetune that, I can adjust the color, and the tv speed is barely noticeable, but its all the digital boxes during motion that is ruining it
Thanks for putting this together. Do you have tips on how to light subjects without causing glair on the screen?
Thanks for watching! To answer your question - just rotate / adjust the position of the screen. When lighting, you should focus on the subjects and the lighting. The screen is much easier to move slightly to avoid a reflection / glare. Small adjustments make a big difference.
Thanks, very interesting! Do you know a way to fix what you are seeing at 8:10, the bars and pixel artifacts on the screen?
What you're seeing at 8:10 is dependent on camera angle. It's not necessarily pixel artifacts, and it's not due to low quality image or TV. Its more of an optical aberration simply caused by the angle of the camera / and the lens in relation to the angle of the TV. It's very easy to remove this look by adjusting angles, even very slightly. However, it isn't necessarily something to fix, although it's pretty apparent in this case, seeing a little of this is what tells your mind it's really there, and not something that has been added later in post. It also depends on the television, as some are better than others.
Seems like the best way to fix this is with green screens on monitors and keylighting in post. Angling camera will help a bit.
The footage used at 55 seconds is an example of this. Its done pretty bad though as you can see how much green light is bleeding onto everyone.
@@doctordothraki4378 I'm actually trying to get rid of this moire. Any ideas?
Great video's and I love that vintage tv! Do you have some tips on basic shots and where the camera should be or should definatly not be or wich cameramovements are right/wrong? I just got into filmmaking and can't seem to make a shot interesting enough.
Thanks! I will definitely talk about some of those things soon in an upcoming episode. I do have another episode you may find interesting too - ua-cam.com/video/bYVd25UFv44/v-deo.html
Kyle Lawrence thanks! I already watched that episode! Very interesting! Will definatly try to get similar shots.
Im going to try all of this. Im recording with my phone. The game I play is a landscape mode game. Main reason being I need my videos in portrait mode for youtube shorts but as you can see, my recent videos are very line-y and its distracting to the viewers. And someone said to screen record on the computer itself, that would still make it landscape mode. I also thought about recording a 2021 samsung tablet screen instead. My goal is better quality videos. Any recommendations?
Thank you so much for the video. The flickering has stopped but I am still not able to get a good colour on the camera.ny further tips would be really apppreciated
Thanks! You’ll want to adjust the TV so that the colour looks good on camera, which may not look good to your eyes. The important thing is matching the white balance. If your camera is set to, let’s say 3200K, then your TV will look really blue. You can decrease the blue (and decrease the green by roughly half as much), or increase the red (and increase green by roughly half as much) to get the TV looking more like tungsten. This all depends on what monitor/TV you’re using, if it has RGB
Colour control or if you’re feeding it with a computer with some sort of software you can use to alter the colour of the image. Worse case scenario, you can put a CTO gel over the monitor.
@@klawrence1987 Thank you very much. and extreme sorry for the late response.
Thanks for this video. How do you get rid of the pixelating?
Thanks for watching. If you are experiencing pixelating, the best way to resolve that is with higher resolution and/or less compression.
What do you do when your screen looks good but turns purple blue after filming? Can't even white balance screen to fix. Shooting ocean footage to appear on screen within a show - and just comes out blue/purple and no amount of modifying with lumetri is helping. Thanks for any ideas!!
Any time I've tried recording video of a CRT TV, no mater what frame rate or shutter speed settings I use, I can't get rid of the scrolling bar effect. That's with two cameras that record video as well as a dedicated video camcorder.
The key is to get the CRT TV's frame rate (and refresh rate) to match the frame rate and shutter speed of the camera. Usually this done is using costly equipment, but, the tips I gave on how to do this without costly equipment can sometimes work, depending on the camera, if you can get both TV and camera at a matching speed. Obviously, there's nothing better than using the right tools, but for some, those are out of the budget, and hopefully these tips will help. A CRT TV in North America is likely operating at 29.97 fps (a refresh rate of 60Hz) (25 fps at 50 Hz in PAL countries). If you can set your camera's frame rate and shutter speed manually, try a frame rate of 29.97fps / 30fps with a shutter speed of 1/60. This is a workaround, not a solution, and may not always work depending on the TV and the camera. If using a computer monitor, it's a bit easier to force the monitor to 48Hz to match a 24 fps camera, using special software, although not all monitors support this. Again, not a replacement for the right tools, just some hacks that may sometimes work.
The camcorder does only 60fps, which I think is actually 59.94. The Canon 60D can do 30fps or 60fps, which I think are 29.97 and 59.94 (I'd have to check specifically). It also has Magic Lantern on it with a function for specifying and fine tuning the frame rate, but no matter what I try I can get it close but never spot on to match the CRT TV or monitor (the monitor is a Commodore 1702, basically a TV with composite inputs and no tuner). And that's whether setting a 1/30 or 1/60 shutter speed at the 30fps, or 1/60 speed at 60fps. Anything I do would be on an extremely low budget so buying any equipment would be out. Thanks for the tips!
Ah colour wise, I would love the colours too look correct on camera but I'm looking into this so I can film my drawings with my phone (I dont want to screen record) and if I mess uo the colours I see my drawings will be hella funky
Thank you for your tips.. after I tried, when I wasnt beside the screen, the camera can focus on tv screen, but, when I sit beside the TV Screen, my shirt and face going more bright, and the tv screen fully White. I have turn off the auto focus on my camera. Would you mind five the tips, how to keep the focus to tv and presenter at the same time. I want to make instruction video, pointing to the screen. Thank you.
Thanks for watching! It sounds like you have some auto exposure settings enabled. Be sure to use manual focus and manually set your exposure settings. Be sure to properly light your subject. If the subject is quite a bit darker than the TV then you will not be able to properly expose both. To keep the TV and presenter in focus at the same time, make sure they are on the same plane (equal distance from camera), or use a smaller aperture if necessary to give yourself a deeper depth of focus.
When did the Vertical Hold control change the incoming video frame rate? It is a rough adjustment for the vertical frame rate on the monitor to sync to the incoming video, close enough that the blanking pulse can lock in the frame rate.
It doesn’t change the incoming frame rate. It is used to sync the television with the incoming frame rate. If the TV looks fine with a 29.97 fps signal and then you switch to a 23.98 fps signal, the vertical hold will need to be adjusted to stabilize the tube to match the incoming frame rate.
Thank you!
Would you have tips for recording HDTV LCD/LED/OLED screens with Android & iPhone cameras? E.g., camera & TV settings, or room lighting tricks? The videos rapidly become too light and/or too dark in various screen areas at the same time. Lowering contrast hasn't helped much. Thank you!
Thanks for watching! All of the same tips and tricks still apply. It sounds like your phone is adjusting settings though. I’d recommend downloading a camera app which give you more manual control. Something like Mavis or Filmic Pro.
@@klawrence1987 Thank you very much! I will try that.
This was really handy. I'm still trying to perfectly nail filming a phone though, there's a very small flicker. Its displaying at 60hrz, camera is 1/50, the image looks balanced. Any more ideas?
Adam Wilson thanks for watching! It can be difficult to change refresh rates on the phone, but have you tried running the camera at 1/60?
@@klawrence1987 I'll try that next. I was specifically trying to run it slower as i didn't think that was an issue. 1/60 coming next.
How can be captured a screen projected to a canvas in a dark room during a conference with a DSLR?
How do you do the reverse though? Say youre green screening footage onto a TV screen and want the plasma flicker look
Adding some fine horizontal venetian blinds in after effects can give you more of a screen look on the screen which can make it look pretty realistic. As for a plasma flicker look, there isn't an effect that comes to mind, but you may just have to play around with the opacity and a bunch of keyframes.
What about shooting a CRT on 16mm movie film?
Is there an updated video for LED screens?
how to photograph Big screen TV. i'm an upcoming event photographer and i get lines and squares, while shooting stills against big led displays. how can i fix this issue.
Thanks for watching! Most of the concepts in this video will be applicable to photography as well, although with some tweaks. Photography is still capturing only a fraction of a second, determined by your shutter speed. I'm interpreting "big led displays" as something more like an LED wall, if that's correct, the specs for different LED walls will also determine which shutter speeds are going to give you the best results. Sometimes, shooting at too fast of a shutter speed will prevent you from capturing the entire image. CRT TVs are alternating between two fields. Some LED walls are loading the next pixel for each frame starting at one end of the wall (perhaps top left corner), and then spread out from there, so shooting too faster will cause you to capture a split second between two frames being fully loaded. I'd recommend a lot of trial and error with shutter speeds to see which one gives you the best results. Especially in photography, if you're able to shoot at a slower shutter speed, you'll be more likely to capture more of the display's output.
what is the intro music?
OMG , are you god, thx a lot !
i'm definitely not God, but thanks for watching! lol
I am wondering how will the screen look like on film camera…Do I need to adjust the screen first as well?
The same points will still apply. It’ll depend on the lighting, the type of film you’re using, color balance, exposure, etc. if you don’t have a way to preview live what the camera is capturing then you’ll need to measure color and luminance on the screen the same way you are for getting your lighting and exposure correct.
Don't know if you ever tried projecting 16mm film on a screen and capturing it with a video camera, but I'm having a hell of time figuring out to to eliminate the roll. I've tried every shutter speed imaginable. The strange thing is, I have been doing this for years without this problem, using a high quality Panasonic 150 HD camera at 60fps. But I just upgraded to a 4k set up at capturing at the highest quality and at100mps. Can't find any settings to get rid of this roll/flicker. note; it's not a harsh flicker or roll, but thus far, my capture test are worthless. I don't know if your Kelvin idea, setting it in the camera would help? I believe I have it on auto. Normally I do everything in full manual, but seemed hard to figure out want temp to set, when my exposures on these films radically change. Any CLUES? Joel
Thanks for watching. What frame rate is the 16mm projector projecting at? I’m assuming a true 24 FPS? You’ll want your camera to match the same frame rate as the projector. If you use a 180 degree shutter or 90 degree shutter, then each frame captured by the camera will be less than the duration of each frame being projected which should help to eliminate any roll/flicker or overlapping frames.
@@klawrence1987 Well, Kyle, i have tried every combination of shutter speed. I'm not sure what this means, so if you can explain, maybe it would be helpful? "If you use a 180 degree shutter or 90 degree shutter, then each frame captured by the camera will be less than the duration of each frame being projected which should help to eliminate any roll/flicker or overlapping frames". If I'm running camera at 24fps, or even tried 30fps with shutter at 24, or doubling this number it's still there. if i really want to see the roll, then i dial up 100-200 etc while projector is running and the camera picks up really bad roll. The only way it is almost, but not really acceptable is shutter speed at 20fps. not great for any motion. Still strange that my Panasonic HD150 at 1/60th and 60i...and there's no roll at all. Matched these settings with the A7SII shooting in either HD or 4k, and can't get rid of this roll.
There's gotta to be some setting in this camera, but I cannot find anything that works.
5:06 is that the same Schindler that making elevator and escalator?
No. Schindler Imaging
I want to record a crt tv up close (only the screen). What kind of Camera do you recommend (under $500) What kind of lens do you recommend? What kind of settings do you use such as white balance, exposure, ect..? Thank you
Thanks for watching! There's a great number of cameras that would do the trick. As long as the camera gives you the ability to control the shutter angle / shutter speed and the frame rate. The more control the better, but it'll be hard to find really good control over those in the lower-price cameras. Like I showed in the video, normally you'd use expensive equipment to force the CRT TV to sync with the camera's frame rate / shutter angle. But, on a lower budget and especially if you are only filming a close up of the TV screen, you can usually get your camera "synchronized" to the CRT TV. If the TV signal is NTSC, it's 29.97 frames per second (59.94 fields per second). If it's PAL, then it's 25 frames per second. Set your frame rate to match that of the TV. Then play with your shutter speed to find the best looking option. Without the right tools, you likely won't get it perfect, but you can usually get close. For an NTSC TV, try filming at 29.97 frames per second with a shutter speed of 1/30 (which will hopefully catch both fields in each exposure). You can experiment from there.
As far as the other things - those all depend on what you have access to and what you're trying to accomplish -- as well as the look you're going for. I wouldn't imagine telling you a specific lens and a specific color temp is required. Any lens will do. For color temp, set it to whatever makes the image look best coming off of the CRT TV. Try to find the white balance that makes whites on the CRT TV in your shot look most like white.
With such a tight shot, you're also free to use your aperture to set your exposure levels based on the overall brightness of the images on the TV, since you aren't concerned with any other items around the room being properly exposed.
Hope this helps!
@@klawrence1987 Thank you for your response. I was considering a sony a6000, do you think that will work for what I need?
6:43 what's happening there, I feel like I'm on acid
7:26 That's a lot of unread email.
Thanks for the video, hope it works with the screen I need to film.
TechMyLifeVideo thanks for watching! And yeah, some subspace warp made its way into the final cut 😂
Kyle Lawrence gotta love that UA-cam motion correction that makes everything move more
Does this work on phones?
Nice :)
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I'm filming gameplay where i show the real life steeringwheel and the gaming screen with the actual game. The problem is, that it is way too bright. Iv'e tried adjusting brightness etc. But I can't get it balance enough. Any other tips? (My room is a bit dark because i mostly play at night, but it also happen when i do it in the day with plenty of light.)
You can bring down the brightness of your display. If flickering is an issue, you can use something called an ND gel (neutral density lighting gels, a tinted plastic sheet often used to darken windows in filmmaking) to darken the screen without changing the flickering. Lastly, you definitely need to bring UP the lighting levels of the real life steering wheel - try investing in some cheap LED panels. Daylight color temperatures should get you close to the color temp of the screen.
@@dudepersonvids okay, thanks for input 👍
@@laurasfar18 You're welcome. Feel free to ask any other questions you may have. Good luck
If Im shooting 50fps can I have my shutter at 100th sec without monitor flickr? Im in UK (if that makes any odds?)
You normally want to match your camera to the TV/monitor to avoid flicker. I’ve you’re in the UK, I’m assuming your monitor/TV is playing at 25 fps / 50 Hz? Typically a multiple of that should be okay. But depending on the variables, the issue is that you’re now shooting at a frame rate which matches the refresh rate, meaning each frame may only be capturing half the image, especially at 1/100th shutter. Definitely best to experiment with it though to find that sweet spot. It may change from monitor to monitor too, as there are so many variables in how they are constructed from the cheap ones to the higher quality ones,
@@klawrence1987 so after having changed to 48fps playback 23.97fps the only shutter speed that gets rid of the tv strobing is weirdly 1/60 sec…🤔
For me its more like the contrast just looks really awful.
clipped blacks and shadows crushed. highlights blown out. at the same time.
Nothing I do seems to cure it even lowering the contrast setting of the camera to as low as it will let me in the picture style settings.
neither does fiddling with my monitors white balance or my cameras white balance.
Don't change your camera settings to make the TV look good. Your camera settings should be set properly for the scene. And then adjust your TV's settings by looking at it through the camera. For the TV to look good on camera, it probably won't look that great to your eye. That's why it's important to make the adjustments looking through the camera's POV rather than your own.
You should also consider the quality of whatever footage is being played on the TV. You'll never be able to make it look better on camera than the actual footage is. Do the blacks look crushed or the highlights blown out on the footage that you're playing when you watch it with your eye? If so, then that won't be fixable when filming it.
If the shadows/blacks are crushed on the monitor you're filming, and that highlights are blown out, it sounds like your monitor's contrast is too high. If you can apply some software control, you'll have a bit more control than the monitor's built-in menu settings.
And, some monitors are just cheap garbage and unfortunately will rarely look good on camera without a lot of fine tuning. Have you tried any other monitors?
It worked but if i film my tv it shows lines on it
What about filming an oled phone that uses pulse-width modulation that causes the flicker. It flickers at any brightnes, shutter speed, frame rate etc. Is there a solution for this?
I hate those phones! The solution is filming a different phone. We’ve had to tell the props people on Supergirl and other shows that some of their phones are no good for similar reasons and can’t be used on camera.
@@klawrence1987 thank you for such a fast response. I am curious tho how do smartphone reviewers avoid flicker when filming such phones. At least I didn't notice it in for example MKBHD's videos.
@@davidhrzenjak good question. I’m not really sure what exactly they’re doing, but sometimes it can still be dialed out with different shutter angles, which may require a camera that allows you to select shutter angle with precision). Also, I wonder if there are any settings on some of the phones which may help to limit this.
@@klawrence1987 ok so when I turn up the brightnes all the way on my phone and switch my camera to NTSC, the problem is 99% resolved, but I am in europe so NTSC doesn't really work for other screens hahaha.
@@davidhrzenjak ahh yeah that would certainly have an impact on it. PAL would be 50hz, NTSC would be 60hz, so it’s quite possibly a frame rate / shutter speed issue. Ideally you want the camera and the screen to be matching frame rates / refresh rates (which are different but go together) or at least a whole divisible of it. I can see how 25fps / 50hz would really not be happy with a phone which is possibly 60hz or even 120hz (I don’t know the phone’s specs specifically)
any way to get rid of the moire?
Not easily. It’ll change based on angle, focal length and how close the camera is. It’ll also differ from screen to screen. It’s better to embrace it, it helps sell the fact that you’re actually looking at a screen.
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I want to film my drawings on Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 with my Samsung phone a51. But I am not getting good colors. Any suggestions?
Are the colours very cool / blue? If so, try using a night shift feature on the S6 to make the screen warmer. The S6 may also be too bright (over exposed).
@@klawrence1987 I made the screen warm. Shades of orange and red are not noticeable
@@huriyafashion the key
Is matching the colour balance on both devices. Also, if the S6 is too bright then the colours will be white instead of coloured.
@@klawrence1987 thanks 😊. I will try that
How do you do this with an LED WALL?
Joseph Priester assuming you’re working with a professional-end LED wall (do consumer-end walls exist?), you should have settings to adjust your frame rate on the wall. Many walls even have the ability to genlock to a reference feed. You would adjust your LED wall to match whatever your camera is rolling at.
1:37 to skip to the start of the video
0:51 What's This From?
Its from a short film I directed called "Excelsior". :) Thanks for watching!
Simply drop shutter speed. Done.
I think my monitor is "popping" actually. Its got screen artifacts of green and blue above his head.
weird, you might need a new monitor
15,000 unread emails 😱 JK thank you so much for this will try it out!!
hahaha, yep I'm on a lot of distros for the shows I work on :P ... you're welcome! thanks for watching!
@@klawrence1987 hahha you're welcome thanks I learned a lot!
The video no dislikes
Me: ha
Why was the screen black the whole flipping time.
artistic choice :P
@@klawrence1987 what does that mean? 🤔
@@MrDudeman-2128 you're referring to the one small monitor in the middle that stayed off while the rest were all on, right? that was an older monitor on it's last leg. It was just there to show a plethora of monitors, but wasn't intended to actually be on in the shot.
@@klawrence1987 no I mean the UA-cam video didn't show anything it was just black my screen was just black and it didn't show nothing but I could go portrait and out of portrait and it did nothing.
schuyler lucht that must be an issue with your device or connection. The video is definitely not all black. Seems like it displayed properly for everyone else watching.
WHY AM I SO UNLUCKY?!?!?! LITERALLY THE ONLY TV WE HAVE IS PLASMA!!!
24K oh no! You may be able to “phase it out” by adjusting the shutter speed / shutter angle on camera, but that’s not an ideal workaround. Good luck!
@@klawrence1987 Hm. I will try, I need to send in a recording of a time-lapse for a position at Black Plasma Studios, if you know what that is, and I need to film my TV. I will try your recommendation. Thank you!
omg that warp stabilizing at 6:45 is horrendous lol, please stop!
its just part of the style :P jk
uwu
So all you did was transfer the blue from the screens into your hair... That's hardly a solution for me.. lol
Perhaps you didn’t watch enough to see the real solution 😝
@@klawrence1987
Actually I did watch your first two ideas and used one of them. I was just making a joke. Thanks for the advice!
@@2thePtBassTuT awesome! Thanks for watching! I was replying in good humour too :)
get to the point
I think you missed it.
@@klawrence1987 props for responding 3 years later damn
@@rkrkrkrkrk111 3 years? UA-cam says you posted the comment 2 weeks ago
@@klawrence1987 I'm referring to the video
@@rkrkrkrkrk111 ah I see. Well I still occasionally release new videos so I stay active :)
very helpful, thank you!
Thanks!