I thought the same but then I remembered that I once also got hired as a nanny when I was a teen. I started the next day and the mom went on business trip for 2 days. Her husband didnt even know my face I met him like twice. It be like that sometimes rich ppl be so desperate 😂😂
I’m a therapist, and i hate when they portray DID like this. Most people will have an alter who can be violent, but generally it revolves around violence towards themselves and not other people.
In my country, even people who seems depressed or diagnosed with depression will be called insane and labelled as dangerous or drug addict. No one believes in mental health but they believe in God here.
@@norimori5170 That don’t add up, how are you a child if god and just believe when people are suffering from mental illness are labeled as such terrible things
The stigma really is the scariest thing for people with multiplicity. We have problems with emotional regulation but not to the point where we're any danger to anyone else. Me and my multiples are regular people but I can't be upset around others or I'm labeled as dangerous.
petition for movies to stop using split personalities/DID as like a plot device to explain somebody being a murderer (or just being bad in general)......it's disrespectful and stigmatizing on so many levels
God yes ! - so disrespectful, and downright lazy- the "mad not bad " trope needs to be retired 🙄 would say can we add bipolar to that petition, but at least there's maybe 1 or 2 movies, split personality /DID really has no empathetic coverage does it.
@@nish3603 Media doesn’t have to use a real mental illnesses (ones that are already so stigmatized) to explain why a character is evil. It’s harmful to the people that actually have to live with those disorders.
I have a dear friend with DID and they were so scared to tell us because of how prevalent these kinds of movies are. This kind of media even made them believe they were inherently evil or something before they went to therapy.
I'm so sorry for your friend in that experience! I'm glad therapy is helping them work through that. I have a cousin with OSDD, and I know they've also been hurt by media portrayal. 😣
I hope they're doing fine... as someone with a cluster b personality disorder (BPD), I know from personal experience how the bad media representation really affects real life.
Yeah, I was thinking that too, that boss was super inappropriate, if that ever happened to me I would be getting the hell out of there and not coming back. My job agency+ parents would just have to suck it up.
I'd really love to see a horror movie wherein both the hero and the villain have the same mental disorder and the hero is like "this is not how you respond to things wtf are you doing" and the villain is like *"shiiiit"*
You just described my work life with my coworker. We both have bipolar and borderline personality disorder!! But I'm on meds and counseling and she isn't. Can you imagine the dynamic? UGHHHHH 🙄😳😭🤣😅 lmaoooo
As a lesbian the whole thing of the main character being super predatory to a younger woman makes me cripplingly uncomfortable it’s such an awful stereotype and it makes me scared to even do the minimum of just hugging my friends and I’m so absolutely sick of see us only be killed or predators representation really isn’t that difficult
yeah i'm a teen and it takes a lot of will for me to compliment or show any type of affection to my friends bc i'm scared they'll get the wrong idea and not like me, i also still hate myself everytime i look at someone of the same gender differently bc i don't want to make anyone uncomfortable.
I was about to comment about this! (I'm a lesbian as well.) This movie really gives me "hetero man fantasy" vibes, which is so often the case with "steamy" and sexy wlw content. It's so annoying; we so rarely get lesbian or even just wlw content that doesn't cater to the male gaze or fetishize wlw relationships and sex. Stories about "steamy love affairs with a married woman who has sex with *gasp* another woman" always give me that vibe. It makes sense here as well, beyond just that storyline + wlw sex, because there's that weird innocence thing at play that I can imagine could also play into hetero male fantasies. Like, I doubt very many lesbians or bi+ women would actually find this steamy or sexy, even if the writing was decent. It definitely gives for-men vibes :')
@@orangeworm Wlw representation right now Sucks!! (I'm assuming you're wlw, meaning lesbian or bi+?) But you deserve to be able to live as you are and be attracted to who you're attracted to, as long as you're not hurting anyone - we all do! Hopefully wlw media representation will get better soon (I doubt it, but we can hope) and we can start seeing ourselves portrayed onscreen in a way that doesn't cater to straight male fantasies and doesn't show us as predators or something else that's completely off the mark :') Sending love
Can Hollywood just stop with the ‘person who has mental illness ends up being crazy’ trope. Cause it completely misrepresents and adds to the stigma of mental illness and is just a lazy trope in general.
That, and people with mental illness are way way way more likely to be the victims of violence and (sexual) abuse, rather than the perpetrator, and in movies they're only ever the violent killer.
I think they just have so many many pans in the fire that their starting to burn a lot of shit. To be running internationally and have custom content and produced features now, it’s unbelievable.
It's somewhere in the middle of Because they want to protray it was being inherently evil and toxic...or because no one wants to see a boring story about a happy couple. There are a bunch of movies where lesbians aren't portrayed that way but no one is watching them or the lesbians are minor characters.
I’m so sorry! I wish people would actually SPEND time with people like you who have this to humanize a person. Which shouldn’t be hard but it’s just sad that people lack sympathy for people with these disorders and makes them out to be dangerous. When in reality it’s the opposite. I hope one day they’ll make a good movie to accurately portray people who have DID.🥰
Exactly! I don’t have DID but from what I know DID is caused by repeated child abuse/ trauma in childhood and it is proven that abuse victims are more likely to fall back into the roll of the abused rather than the abuser. It doesn’t even make sense.
There’s a video game with DID (at least I think so) and even though the character does try to kill one of their partners, it was out of fear and pretty justified
today on: "let's fetishize lesbians whilst simultaneously painting them as predatory" I'm so tired, thank you so much for calling out how disturbingly creepy all of this is
Netflix ruined themselves and the Senegalese director’s career with advertising Cuties as p*dobait, AND choosing to do it at the height of QAnon/Satanic Panic Part II bullshit, instead of advertising it as what it really was: a coming of age film about growing up Black in France
@@pinkmazohyst although i do agree with u i think the amount of twerking the girls did in the movie was completely unnecessary. The message of growing up in an african immigrant family and finding yourself through a dance team could have been the same without all of the weird sexual stuff.
@@icon6200 Sexual identity is a big part of growing up though, but I wish it wasn't sexualizing the actors as much as well. There need to be more movies about people finding all of themselves, not the perfectly tailored cliche.
I low key feel like they tried to do some Black Swan typa shit here. Also blaming Mary’s perverted actions on Grace is the same toxic mind set of blaming victims (rape, sa, grooming etc)
@Truth Teller mary is still weird... the age gap wouldn't be a concern if she didn't mention every five seconds how she saw grace as a kid and a seductress at the same time. she's a weirdo.
@Truth Teller many people are in the wrong in the movie. It’s the fact that before it’s specified that Grace has that mental impairment and was in fact seducing them purposefully, they continued to sexualize her whilst simultaneously comparing her to a child. Then whilst talking about her like she’s a child and ‘unknowingly’ seducing them, they blame her for their wrongings too. They already have an age gap, they create the atmosphere of a mother and her daughter w certain actions and words - and then proceed to engage in sexual activities after doing so. It’s weird and wrong on both sides
When the Black friend was in her car and told Mary, "I know something suspicious about your nanny. I'll tell you next time we see each other," I was like 🖐 Bye! Next time we see the Black best friend she'll be dead.
Also why would you be like "I have something suspicious to tell you about the person you entrust to care for you children but I'll just tell you later" lmfao
There was buzzfeed article about this movie that pointed out how lesbians are often portrayed as older woman younger woman pairs and their attraction is based on them mirroring each others past/future ("I hope I look as good as you when im your age") and instead of being attracted to each other as whole people, and it was really interesting
That is is a pretty interesting point butttt since this is supposed to be like a "Taboo romance" or this trope is often used a A Taboo romance lolita type shit I feel like this mirroring stuff is just to justify Pedophilc shit. Not saying mirroring is Pedophilc but like I can see it being used as an excuse if yeah get what I mean?
People with mental disorders are actually the victims/survivors of violence/abuse at alarming rates so I definitely agree it's not beneficial to constantly portray them as violent abusers and murders
I think I know why it the cases. Bc I did hear a story from a class about how a person will their child and a child would think it’s normal and a cycle of violence will continue. I think media apply this logic to victims psychological mind bc they see them as torture soul who think is normal. (BTW this not a justification for DID, I think people are asshole for using that. I actually really hope that nobody think that I come up as insensitive 😥)
Is it some kind of perfume she’s wearing? Is there something in the water? Because yeah she’s pretty, but she has a personality that is comparable to the taste of dry bran flakes.
Everyone’s always on my ass about having to eat in the kitchen and not my bedroom; I finally eat in the kitchen and suddenly I’m not supposed to anymore???
I think that when people with mental illnesses are portrayed as murders, stalkers, or villains in general, there always comes a point in the portrayal where they aren't seen as real sympathetic people anymore. They become ominous versions of their illness personified and they stay that way until the hero kills them and they become 'normal' again as they die. I just think that building a character beyond 5 traits, that are only there to prove the character is mentally ill, is the simplest way to better how the characters come across.
Exactly. It is poorly written and perceived characters. If people actually knew disabled/ mentally ill people they WOULD KNOWWW that they are INDEED humans. Wow what a crazy world huh?
exaclty man, the fact that Grace's voice even changed when she "turned" is so fucking stupid. it's so weird how they don't just make a movie about a murderer, they HAVE to make them mentally ill and further stigmatize VICTIMS of fucking ABUSE that have a DISORDER. people need to stop using mental illness as a trope for violence, just make a mf kill someone without involving it.
It was super weird her not being angrier at him for losing the money. Women, do not let someone else handle everything, know what's happening with your money
It could have been included in a contract, sometimes when an actor signs to do one movie sometimes other movies (usually bad/cheap movies that need a famous lead) are included in the bundle. So it’s possible she signed on to do something she really wanted, but had to do this to keep the other role. Also the movie could have not been written yet or completely rewritten and they got her attached or maybe she just needed that Netflix money.
The trope is called Born Sexy Yesterday, where a character is seductive and alluring because she is naive and childlike. Was this movie written by a man? It comes off as a creepy man’s idea of how women would behave
It's so weird to me how so many movies are made from the perspective of the villians/real life serial killers, but rarely about trauma survivors the family members or otherwise who went through the situation.
It's so weird. It's almost like as a society we're indoctrinated into feeling sympathy and empathy for the MURDERS AND CRIMINALS and be annoyed with the victims and their families for being concerned which is ridiculous and so so wrong.
I found the "if this can make it to Netflix, so can your little story, write the damn screenplay" speech at the beginning incredibly inspiring, I'm going to go work on my screenplay now
Why can’t we ever have a cute/healthy/happy wlw relationship? Why does it always have to be tragic and gut wrenching or gross and predatory? Also why do so many lgbt stories include cheating? It’s so exhausting.
Ikr honestly why do almost every fucking romance movie needs cheating as a plot point especially since it seems like the people who makes movies like this don't know how to write it well at all
Watch elisa y Marcella it’s so good also below her mouth that one is a bit meh but the two girls are sexy af hahah. Both are my favorite lesbian movies
I have bipolar disorder and I’ve seen TONS of movies that depict us as only violent and angry. We’re not all like that like when I’m manic yeah I may get emotional but most of the time I’m in my bed online shopping for things I really don’t need (I just spent 320 dollars on pillows....send help pls) I make some some stupid decisions but I’m not plotting to kill anyone and I’m so sick of seeing it depicted this way because when I’m dating and I open up about it people want to leave.
Same. I have it, and I just don’t tell most people unless they also have it, which thankfully some of my friends do. Because they portray us as psychos.
I feel like it depends on age. Like my father came from the years where you could still legally rape your spouse. And mental illness was "a liberal agenda," weird conservative conspiracy shit. Anyways, my father is bipolar and he never got therapy for it because he was in denial despite being diagnosed with it, and he wouldn't take medication for it. Well, when he had his mood swings, he'd rape my mom and beat me and my brothers up. So like, it's not like the stigma comes from nowhere. But now that we're becoming more liberal as a country, we're progressing about mental awareness and education about it. It's no longer the time of beating your kids mental issues out of them, but becoming understanding and listening.
Lifetime has a 25+ movie series called "The Wrong..." and every single movie is terrible. They ALL have Vivica Fox in them for some reason and she basically plays herself in every single role (and usually drops the title of the movie at the climax). I've seen most of them and the worst one so far has been "The Wrong Valentine". It's a really strange rabbit hole of bad movies, you should look into it. Most of them have been uploaded somewhere on UA-cam.
Honestly I love them LMAO. Also Vivica is in most of them but not all of them. I believe she has a contract with them though. They're lifetime so ofc they're not great but I still watch them all the time
It took me 5 hours, over 2 nights, to watch that mess because I had to keep pausing it to walk away and scream. One session between screams only lasted 5 minutes 🤣
Oh, I have a suggestion. It's called "Call Boy" (2018) and it's an erotic movie but it's so bad. I actually wanted to recommend it to Kennie by dm. I watched it just because an actor I really like plays a side character in it.It's so creepy and weird and not sexy at all but at the same time it's lowkey very funny.
Yess. One time my Japanese discord was trying a movie together and I joined in I can't remember what it was called but it was about a girl that had grown up completely protected from everything or something, in her 30s and has never had a job, I think, that kind of vibe. And of course it was a romance, and the entire time everyone else was enjoying it and I'm like, this is so bad, I got toxic vibes tho I honestly don't remember it that well, tho it might've been brat taming vibes, kinda taming of the shrew kind of thing?. If anyone knows what I'm talking about , ye that, seems like a bad enough movie to do and if everyone else's reaction was a this is good in a normal kind of way reaction, then idek what is considered normal in a Japanese live action movie romance but it doesn't look good. # when your reality TV is more wholesome than your romance films
Also how did he lose it on a business deal without her knowing he used that much money?! Was he -gambling- "investing" in bitcoin?! Nothing makes sense.
Yeah ngl I'd probably just be like "Oh that's fine we have a prenup I don't care" cuz no way I'm not having a prenup but if I don't...divorce that night. The dude is sleeping at a motel.
“Infantilization isn’t sexy pass it on” Tell that to the kpop community. As a kpop fan I said what I said, y’all are weirdos for babying these 20 something year old idols.
My dad works in mental health and I asked him something similar with how crime and mental health relate. He told me t it is much more common for people with mental disorders to be the victim of violence than being the perpetrator and how many killers etc. don't necessarily have a mental illness. He also said that when a person with a mental illness it's the attacker it is normally in self-defence, like during an episode their paranoia has convinced them whole heartedly with out a shadow of a doubt that their roommate or neighbour is going to or trying to kill them so they have to do something to stop them to save their own life be it killing them first or with a less lethal attack. A lot of the time they would have no recollection of the attack or will stricken with grief and/or guilt just like anyone else would if they found out they did something like that. I feel like media uses mental illness as too much of a scapegoat for violence (villanizing vulnerable people) instead of just showing the fact that some people are terrible with no real reason, like if someone believes that there should be gay conversation therapy, they most like don't have a mental disorder, just a horrible view and little empathy for those they don't understand
I actually thought Grace was some sort of demon, putting random dreams and nightmares into their heads to mess with them but then the ending came and I was like 🤔
The movie tries so hard to pass the test of not demonising mentally ill audiences by making both women have the same disorder but one’s a killer and the other one sexually infantilised the other. The creators really believed this would reach the mark? 😒
Why does it seem like person who wrote the screenplay read Lolita once and didn't get the point of it at all, but decided to gender bend Humbert Humbert. Bless you for watching this for our entertainment
Omg. that movie was so awful. Im sure it wasn’t at all like the book. Most movies aren’t sadly. I couldn’t watch it, it made me so sad yet uncomfortable. Just a huge no. And the littlest thing from this guys perspective in this movie was sexualized it was disgusting.
@@anyone1111 Haven't seen it or read it but Lolita is supposed to have an unreliable narrator that is incredibly disgusting and twist every little thing to justify the fact he's attracted to a child. You SHOULD be revolted and disgusted because you're not a creep. The book is reputed to be a hard read because of that! In fact there was also backlash because people didn't get that they weren't supposed to side with the protagonist/narrator and that the narration is heavily biased. People legit thought it was romanticizing and promoting pedophilia
I’m weak at the fact that the black friend is V from shameless. All I can think about is her going home then telling Kevin and Fiona about her crazy day and how she was about to beat some rich white lady’s ass because of her rich white lady accusations. 😭
Hey, I know about this! Previously known as "multiple personality disorder", DID (dissociative identity disorder) and OSDD (otherwise specified dissociative disorder) (these are the US's terms) are trauma disorders. The name was changed to reflect the fact that they're not actually a personality disorder, but a dissociative disorder formed in childhood. As children, we all have separate "ego states". For example, an infant will have separate states for being hungry or happy or in pain. As we age, these develop and begin to merge to form our identity. DID and OSDD and their counterparts are a result of trauma interfering with this before the age of ~9 years old. When a child goes through trauma and is capable of dissociating to a high degree, these ego states can be essentially "walled off" to deal with the event. This can mean, for example, a specific event can be tied to one of these ego states and then blocked from the rest of the consciousness. People describe these as "amnesiac walls" because they generally disallow memories between "parts". These will continue to stay blocked off and can grow into their own consciousness. People call these "alters" or "parts". People with these disorders often call ourselves "systems". Due to the nature of how these disorders form, we are more likely to be victims of abuse than to perpetuate it. It's a coping technique employed by a child undergoing repeated trauma, abuse, and/or neglect. Getting a diagnosis for this disorder is also very difficult because it exists to protect the brain. Many systems are "covert", meaning a switch between alters is hardly noticeable even to the system. Alters exist to fill rolls needed by the child at the time of forming.
I find the main thing films fail to represent with this disorder is that it can sometimes be so subtle to other people. Like it's so hurtful this film has the characters have evil demonic voices when they "change."
Hey just so you know this theory is widely disliked among plural people. It suggests being plural is a broken form of being a singlet when there are plural people who don't have any issues with that, and it's also not true to how many people have developed.
It's also a theory which I particularly hate for the whole ranking traumas sort of thing. The idea that if you have one level of trauma you have unintegrated emotional parts but not distinct identities, it just kinda shits on people with bpd/ptsd as well imo. Because... I know this aspect isn't very explicit but it feels like saying a person with DID has experienced more trauma than someone with bpd and that seems shitty even if you just mean their perception of the trauma.
I feel like so many movies, especially when it's with girls in relationships or girls on girls, people will sum the movie up to just sex. Like "Blue is the warmest color" was supposed to be about exploring lesbian relationships and sexuality and how Adèle messed her relationship up. But because it showed sex, most people just remember it for the sex scenes. I think that's why people are so focused on the sexual relation in this movie rather than realizing that this kind of behavior is weird and that it's not okay
@drosera I know that was another big thing that came out. One of the critics was that it had become more like porn scenes (fake and unrealistic) rather than being true to what would happen in a lesbian dynamic. Also that the director put a heavy emphasis on filming the sex scenes. The actresses both said that they swayed in between feeling like a sex worker and feeling like they were growing from the experience. I've read that they had silicone molds over themselves when filming which made them more comfortable, but I can't say it with certainty. I used Blue is the warmest color because it was a film that had potential to talk about genuine struggles and shown the rawness of two girls loving each other while struggling with themselves. But due to the graphic scenes of them, most people who watch it only see the sex. Especially when it came to the American audience
@@anissab.7260 hi ! I’m French, I was 17 at the time the movie came out, and believe me that’s what my country thought of the movie too... I was very disappointed in its execution, the emphasis on the sex scenes was a marketing tactic
@@Cocolagaffe18 I'm really surprised that the director didn't take advantage of a good story arc he could have taken with the film. It could have been really really good. The camera work and how the scenes were set up were so immersive and beautifully done. But then it was just constantly crowded with sex scenes. So of course, that's all people will talk about.
@@mechantechatonne I know! There's a difference between artistic vision to show sex and it's influence on the relationship over making a porn scene and putting it in the movie
The fact that Mary was the stressed mother who suspected her husband was having an affair with their babysitter even in Sex & the City 2 has me w h e e z i n g 💀😂
I hate when ppl try to use "split personalities" (aka dissociative identity disorder) as an excuse to where they're eViL or DaNgErOuS. A lot of my mutuals are part of a system and I don't think any of them would hurt a fly
Me: *Unfinished homework, unfinished project, missing assignments* This video: 40 minutes long . . . . *"Well Ferb, I know what we're gonna do today..."*
Honestly I think when doing violence and murder Invisible Man is a good example of it being done well, where the villain is not specifically diagnosed with anything but is mostly narcissistic and manipulative.
@Dee Ayy Why Night Productions right! Like I understand people have sex... Sometimes it doesn't always need to be shown. It can be semi shown to make it so sexy. Lol 😆😆
@Dee Ayy Why Night Productions right? Also if they want to see hot people screw, they can watch porn. The entertainment that's actually made for that purpose. Tgey don't need to to but cringy awkward fake humping sex scenes into regular media. Good God people
@@legacyjai9003 It doesn’t make it alright, literally people thinking this is alright. I was raped and it might be different from sexual assault but it’s still bad
“Write your damn screenplay.” Another person in the comments added they were inspired, and honestly, so am I. I’m gonna finish the ones I started and get them out there (one of them focusing on a relationship between two bi women, since I felt as a bi woman there aren’t a lot of good, healthy representations).
I love the look for this week. You look like an old Hollywood glamour goddess, especially with the blue velvet blouse and the glittery choker. I could really see u like, traipsing down an elegant spiral staircase with a glass of champagne in one hand, delivering an airy soliloquy about how you poisoned your husband
As someone who is an advocate for mental health in addition to having a mental health disorder, I think there should be a law created that says any movie/tv show that involves any character having any mental health disorder is required to have several mental health professionals and people who have the same mental health disorders as the characters involved with every part of the project, from the scripts to filming and even editing to ensure that the final project is not disrespectful, harmful, or stigmatizing to anyone who has any mental health disorder. Because when you don't have anyone who has either first-hand or professional knowledge of mental health issues involved with movies and tv shows, you end up with something that does nothing but further enforce the stereotypes and stigmas around mental health which causes harm to those of us who do have a mental health disorder. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
I’m not an author or anything but you can’t really just WRITE a good book? Don’t you have to have motivation and inspiration? Tbh I sympathize with Marie being asked to just write a whole goddamn book
I think it depends a lot on the author for the extent to which you need to wait for inspiration, and motivation can mean a lot of things. Money is a motivation (particularly if you actually know you'll *make* some money), as are deadlines (especially when connected to something like money). Trying to figure out *what* to write, some people need to wait (not really an option if writing is your primary income), some will look for it (I often read folklore and I do really well sometimes with given prompts for anthologies or classes, so I'm trying to find a more controlled method of getting them) and some people are Stephen King or R.L. Stine, and I have no idea what they're doing, but evidently it gives them enough ideas for their massive output.
Writing is, first and foremost, a job. So, regardless of inspiration or motivation or not, if writing is your CAREER you gotta sit your ass down at your desk and just WRITE. Now, what you write on those days when you're not feel motivated or inspired may not make it into the final draft, but the point is you've just gotta keep putting words down until you get to the end. If you only write when you're feeling motivated/inspired or when "the Muse is with you" then you're never going to make it. So the fact that she is an established published author and that writing is her career, 100% she should be able to sit down and write a book. Now whether or not that book is any good is another matter, but most authors can't really tell if what they're working on is worth publishing until it's finished. But she should have the discipline, at this point in her life, to sit down and churn out a generic novel. And honestly if she's as popular as the movie seems to make her, it should sell decently either way. I mean not every one of Stephen King's books is a masterpiece but he's still Stephen fucking King. -source: I'm a Writer.
sadly that's not how it works all the time, sometimes a book is a passion project - but for example, Warrior Cats was a pitched idea, the original author didn't even like the idea (but wrote the books anyway) and then it was written by multiple authors. it wasn't ever a passion project - it was a product. A lot of series are created this way.
Not sure if this counts as a BAD movie, but she needs to see “Barbie as Rapunzel.” Main reason being that Kendall has to see the “Give him to me ahhh 😩” line.
As a lesbian this movie is so fetishized and disgusting because they put WLW/lesbian relationships into a stereotype that ‘all gay people are sexual predators it really makes me uncomfortable that someone thought that this was okay to make:/:(
i am so ✨sick✨ of sapphics being made out to be predatory like,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, sir my relationship with women has already been ruined by people assuming i’m dating every woman i stand next to, i don’t need this too
No but shoutout to Kendall for putting subtitles available ! It’s legit necessary for people who don’t speak english as their 1st language or who have trouble hearing!
I personally would like to see more stalker/obsession movies deal with how entitlement and privilege play a role in violence and their behavior. That impacts how the person being stalked/victimized is able to navigate their experiences and seek help. And I'd also like to see the reverse of the set up where the person who is mentally ill is the victim not the perpetrator just to explore how that shapes the way your situation is viewed. Like having borderline, bipolar disorder, and other personality disorders has been used as evidence against assault survivors to discredit them. So there's definitely more nuance to this set up that should be explored imo!
@29:47 That's actually one of the most believable parts of the movie; you would not believe how many times I've been in an interview and they just left the office for like a good 20 minutes and just came back like nothing happened.
I feel you on this. Then when you complain about it you get people thinking you’re humble bragging. No I’m literally recovering from agoraphobia because of how bad it’s effected me, it’s not a brag.
Yeah, it's like... "Okay, thanks for thinking I'm cute, but I'm an actual person, and stop treating me as a child." Why am I so much more attractive if I look younger/"innocent"? Like, maybe look into your own problems before placing them on me.
I have the same, I had to quit my previous job because of the amount of sexual harassment and attention I was subjected to. I couldn't even tell anyone or get help from HR because women were jealous/thought I was humble bragging and men decided I should be thankful and treat this as a compliment. Wow.
This movie is really giving Colleen Hoover vibes. Over-hyped, under-delivering and trying really hard to be creepy/shocking for the sake of just being creepy/shocking without successfully doing either.
My thoughts on writing mentally ill villains as a writer who's from a family with a lot of mental illness and who has a few myself: make it feel real, don't blame their actions on their illness. Mental illness doesn't turn a "normal, wholesome, good person" into a murderer/stalker/abuser. Portray a complex person, explain the way that they think, how their mental illness might influence their unique perspective, and forget words like "good" and "bad." Remember that any and all mental illnesses exist on a spectrum, they can be treated in ways that really do work, and mentally ill people can get on in society just fine with the right resources. You're better off portraying multiple people with any specific illness/disorder in any work where it's a central focus, because focusing on one character like that tends to feel like you're slapping everyone with the same label into a very narrow box. Honestly, if you're not using your work to raise some form of awareness, it's a good idea not to label a specific mental illness or even involve psychiatry at all; it's awfully fucking convenient in these stories that these characters always have a diagnosis from a past treatment (usually involuntary stay), but have no current treatment plan in place, implying that they choose to be the menace to society they are, when very few people who have been properly treated ever want to go off their meds (and many have anxieties about doing so for other medical reasons) because they typically don't want to fall back into the chaos their life was when untreated. Actually do research on medications, if your character is or was taking them at some point: a lot of people think meds are magic and that they all have about the same activation speed and duration... not so, and it can and will affect a "character goes off their meds" plot. The whole "they continued to work as normal but became a murderer" thing is unlikely, they way more likely are really tired and anxious. I have a lot more thoughts on this than I realised, but please just 1) DO YOUR RESEARCH 2) DIVERSIFY REPRESENTATION 3) MAKE THEM PEOPLE, NOT WALKING EMBODIMENTS OF A DISORDER. Good examples of mentally ill protagonists include the Portal 2 comic Lab Rat (schizophrenia), manga Oyasumi Pun Pun (undiagnosed extreme depression, depersonalisation, derealisation, PTSD, possible narcissism or sociopathy), TV Crazy Ex-Girlfriend (Borderline Personality Disorder). All three treat mental illness really differently, but quite accurately (to my experiences with them) and do so without falsely praising or condemning their mentally ill characters. The latter two are even arguably villain-protagonists, but seeing things through their eyes helps a NT audience empathize with them and understand where and when their mental illness is *influencing* but not *causing* a toxic thought pattern that leads to amoral actions.
To be quite honest, the way that this movie is framed makes the last half feel like a delusion. The editing and framing is absolutely confusing, and downright atrocious. After all, the final twist is just so, so stupid. The framing of Grace is just so creepy and unrealistic that it makes me feel that the murder scene was just a delusion. (although we do see the grave of the lady she killed, but still.) The point is, this movie's framing devices lead to confounding conclusions and no difference between headspace and reality.
As someone who once was very close to someone with DID...one it doesn't work this way and it's disgusting they sexualize (while also treating it as child like at the same time disgustingly) and stigmatize it, two...wtf is this magic charm thing Grace seemingly has and how is it related? Like sure, one might get along with someone in the system more than another or find them attractive personality wise, but it's not like their other personalities have love potion or something.
haven't even started the video properly yet but netflix really doesn't give two shaking shits about decent representation 😭 "yeah we're gonna give you lesbians and bisexual women but we're giving you age-old predatory stereotypes with it" hellscape
"She's a black friend that notices something, she's not gonna make it" 😭😭
That made me straight up cackle.
We never do 😭
its always like that-
Truth. That B S. trope is right up there with the "Kill Your Gays" nonsense...🙄
Oof
The fact that they hired a nanny whose age and last name they didn’t even know like WTH, F them kids I guess 👀
That makes no sense wft!
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Lmaooo Fr like my parents would neva
I thought the same but then I remembered that I once also got hired as a nanny when I was a teen. I started the next day and the mom went on business trip for 2 days. Her husband didnt even know my face I met him like twice. It be like that sometimes rich ppl be so desperate 😂😂
@@ishathompson8439 what fhe tuck
I’m a therapist, and i hate when they portray DID like this. Most people will have an alter who can be violent, but generally it revolves around violence towards themselves and not other people.
In my country, even people who seems depressed or diagnosed with depression will be called insane and labelled as dangerous or drug addict. No one believes in mental health but they believe in God here.
@@norimori5170 That don’t add up, how are you a child if god and just believe when people are suffering from mental illness are labeled as such terrible things
@@norimori5170 Philippines?
The stigma really is the scariest thing for people with multiplicity. We have problems with emotional regulation but not to the point where we're any danger to anyone else. Me and my multiples are regular people but I can't be upset around others or I'm labeled as dangerous.
@@norimori5170 are you from the caribbean? This feels very close to home
petition for movies to stop using split personalities/DID as like a plot device to explain somebody being a murderer (or just being bad in general)......it's disrespectful and stigmatizing on so many levels
Yeah ): It's already hard the way it is, media makes it worse
God yes ! - so disrespectful, and downright lazy- the "mad not bad " trope needs to be retired 🙄 would say can we add bipolar to that petition, but at least there's maybe 1 or 2 movies, split personality /DID really has no empathetic coverage does it.
Thank you!!!
No because most serial killers or whatever have something wrong with them mentally to some extent. Stop being so sensitive, and get over yourself.
@@nish3603 Media doesn’t have to use a real mental illnesses (ones that are already so stigmatized) to explain why a character is evil. It’s harmful to the people that actually have to live with those disorders.
I have a dear friend with DID and they were so scared to tell us because of how prevalent these kinds of movies are. This kind of media even made them believe they were inherently evil or something before they went to therapy.
I'm so sorry for your friend in that experience! I'm glad therapy is helping them work through that. I have a cousin with OSDD, and I know they've also been hurt by media portrayal. 😣
yeah these kinds of movies are absolutely awful :c i'm glad your friend is at least getting support
Yeah these films really make these conditions out to just be straight crazy or murders. Which is highly incorrect.
It's so strange because the trope is totally baseless!
I hope they're doing fine... as someone with a cluster b personality disorder (BPD), I know from personal experience how the bad media representation really affects real life.
imagine your boss is like "let's go bra shopping together, in the same dressing room, with only you trying on bras" 😭
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A big no lol
Yeah, I was thinking that too, that boss was super inappropriate, if that ever happened to me I would be getting the hell out of there and not coming back. My job agency+ parents would just have to suck it up.
@Truth Teller 🤮🤮🤮
Okay no prob. How much are they paying me?
I'd really love to see a horror movie wherein both the hero and the villain have the same mental disorder and the hero is like "this is not how you respond to things wtf are you doing" and the villain is like *"shiiiit"*
gonna go work on something ig
Megamind. They both have narcissism? That’s the closest i can find lol 😂 edit: spelling
@@AndSoWeLaughed i never thought about that lol
I was thinking the same thing!
You just described my work life with my coworker. We both have bipolar and borderline personality disorder!! But I'm on meds and counseling and she isn't. Can you imagine the dynamic? UGHHHHH 🙄😳😭🤣😅 lmaoooo
As a lesbian the whole thing of the main character being super predatory to a younger woman makes me cripplingly uncomfortable it’s such an awful stereotype and it makes me scared to even do the minimum of just hugging my friends and I’m so absolutely sick of see us only be killed or predators representation really isn’t that difficult
@MELANIE PAMELA GRAVE CIFUENTES I’m so sorry I completely understand and relate it just sucks that this is all we get.
yeah i'm a teen and it takes a lot of will for me to compliment or show any type of affection to my friends bc i'm scared they'll get the wrong idea and not like me, i also still hate myself everytime i look at someone of the same gender differently bc i don't want to make anyone uncomfortable.
Yes! We deserve so much better.
I was about to comment about this! (I'm a lesbian as well.) This movie really gives me "hetero man fantasy" vibes, which is so often the case with "steamy" and sexy wlw content. It's so annoying; we so rarely get lesbian or even just wlw content that doesn't cater to the male gaze or fetishize wlw relationships and sex. Stories about "steamy love affairs with a married woman who has sex with *gasp* another woman" always give me that vibe.
It makes sense here as well, beyond just that storyline + wlw sex, because there's that weird innocence thing at play that I can imagine could also play into hetero male fantasies.
Like, I doubt very many lesbians or bi+ women would actually find this steamy or sexy, even if the writing was decent. It definitely gives for-men vibes :')
@@orangeworm Wlw representation right now Sucks!! (I'm assuming you're wlw, meaning lesbian or bi+?) But you deserve to be able to live as you are and be attracted to who you're attracted to, as long as you're not hurting anyone - we all do! Hopefully wlw media representation will get better soon (I doubt it, but we can hope) and we can start seeing ourselves portrayed onscreen in a way that doesn't cater to straight male fantasies and doesn't show us as predators or something else that's completely off the mark :')
Sending love
They really said:
✨Gaslight✨
✨Gatekeep✨
✨Girlboss✨
✨Girlpredator✨
Also free my girl V from Shameless 😫
pls I just realized shanola and dermot aka v and sean from shameless are in this
They said all that but wanted to call it “representation”
yeah, veronica deserves better than this bullshit, haha.
🤣🤣🤣 best comment!!!
Shameless ended
Can Hollywood just stop with the ‘person who has mental illness ends up being crazy’ trope. Cause it completely misrepresents and adds to the stigma of mental illness and is just a lazy trope in general.
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First there was Split and now this??? I mean... really?
That, and people with mental illness are way way way more likely to be the victims of violence and (sexual) abuse, rather than the perpetrator, and in movies they're only ever the violent killer.
EXACTLY!!! Btw the name of your account made me cackled😩😭
You know this is a fictional movie right and not a documentary? Why would you look for truth in a shitty film?
Netflix seems to like passing questionable things as normal or ✨cute✨
like the movies ✨ Cuties ✨
netflix is def sus
I think they just have so many many pans in the fire that their starting to burn a lot of shit. To be running internationally and have custom content and produced features now, it’s unbelievable.
WHY! 🤷🏾♀️🤮
WHY! 🤷🏾♀️🤮
When they bent over backwards to make Grace the villain, after all that footage of Mary being creepy around her. I laughed so hard.
I mean... The demon she was possessed with was an actual villain though.
@Truth Teller you really trying to make this argument here... about this movie??
@@str8outtacostco53 no. 👁️👄👁️👌🏻
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@@str8outtacostco53 Demon????
Why does it feel like so much lesbian representation is about affairs or some sort of toxicity? Why can’t we have a wholesome lesbian couple??
It's somewhere in the middle of Because they want to protray it was being inherently evil and toxic...or because no one wants to see a boring story about a happy couple.
There are a bunch of movies where lesbians aren't portrayed that way but no one is watching them or the lesbians are minor characters.
That’s supposed to be their only redeemable characteristic. We should now sympathize with them because they’re lesbians and she should relate to them
Atypical has it 😤
write it yourself
Because they dont see girl and girl couples as valid and see us to be some type of enigma they can use to spice shit up. it's so annoying
As a person with DID, I am really tired of all these movies implying that I'm a dangerous person. I'm about as dangerous as a depressed kitten.
I’m so sorry! I wish people would actually SPEND time with people like you who have this to humanize a person. Which shouldn’t be hard but it’s just sad that people lack sympathy for people with these disorders and makes them out to be dangerous. When in reality it’s the opposite. I hope one day they’ll make a good movie to accurately portray people who have DID.🥰
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Exactly! I don’t have DID but from what I know DID is caused by repeated child abuse/ trauma in childhood and it is proven that abuse victims are more likely to fall back into the roll of the abused rather than the abuser. It doesn’t even make sense.
There’s a video game with DID (at least I think so) and even though the character does try to kill one of their partners, it was out of fear and pretty justified
Same, we're more likely to hurt ourselves, especially those with persecutors
today on: "let's fetishize lesbians whilst simultaneously painting them as predatory"
I'm so tired, thank you so much for calling out how disturbingly creepy all of this is
also: movie writers/directors/producers stop demonizing mental illness, especially pseudo-DID
systems are exhausted omfg
“What’s a seductive name we can give her 🤔🤔”
“Margret”
“Yeah that works”
List of names writer's had in mind
Leanne
Gertrude
Sylvia
Janice
@@danivukojevic2974 eunice
@@meat1575 yup, and jude or judy
@@danivukojevic2974 you’re lying 💀 please don’t tell me they considerd Gertrude😭
@@__L__837 oh idk, I just made it up, but tbh they might have
Netflix really said „bi/wlw representation? Make it ✨predatory✨“
Most media seems to do that. :c
There is a wlw movie coming on april 15 in Netflix is "ride or die" i think is gonna be good
ana peach hopefully it is
They really woke up and chose ✨ignorance✨
LGBTQ +: can we have healthy bi representation? Please? 👉🏻👈🏻
Media: No❤️
Netflix really said “ ✨let’s let’s buy a movie that will put our company in danger cause cuties wasn’t enough✨”
Netflix ruined themselves and the Senegalese director’s career with advertising Cuties as p*dobait, AND choosing to do it at the height of QAnon/Satanic Panic Part II bullshit, instead of advertising it as what it really was: a coming of age film about growing up Black in France
I definitely think that was the intetion mannon, butthe result is another story .
@@pinkmazohyst although i do agree with u i think the amount of twerking the girls did in the movie was completely unnecessary. The message of growing up in an african immigrant family and finding yourself through a dance team could have been the same without all of the weird sexual stuff.
@@pinkmazohyst BS. Not all POC French liked this movie. Especially the Muslim community. But you choose to leave that out for some reason.
@@icon6200 Sexual identity is a big part of growing up though, but I wish it wasn't sexualizing the actors as much as well. There need to be more movies about people finding all of themselves, not the perfectly tailored cliche.
Honestly the high light of my week is her saying “what is up homeskillet biscuit” and “let’s get into the debauchery”
Same
Me three
Same here
All I have to ask is who allowed lifetime on Netflix 👁👄👁
No, no, no, This is steammy, so, is PassionFlix
I mean Netflix did allow Cuties
Plss
unrelated but i just found your channel and your personality is so fun!!
I blame "you" netflix show
I low key feel like they tried to do some Black Swan typa shit here. Also blaming Mary’s perverted actions on Grace is the same toxic mind set of blaming victims (rape, sa, grooming etc)
but black swan was way better
@Truth Teller mary is still weird... the age gap wouldn't be a concern if she didn't mention every five seconds how she saw grace as a kid and a seductress at the same time. she's a weirdo.
@Truth Teller many people are in the wrong in the movie. It’s the fact that before it’s specified that Grace has that mental impairment and was in fact seducing them purposefully, they continued to sexualize her whilst simultaneously comparing her to a child. Then whilst talking about her like she’s a child and ‘unknowingly’ seducing them, they blame her for their wrongings too. They already have an age gap, they create the atmosphere of a mother and her daughter w certain actions and words - and then proceed to engage in sexual activities after doing so. It’s weird and wrong on both sides
When the Black friend was in her car and told Mary, "I know something suspicious about your nanny. I'll tell you next time we see each other," I was like 🖐 Bye! Next time we see the Black best friend she'll be dead.
Also why would you be like "I have something suspicious to tell you about the person you entrust to care for you children but I'll just tell you later" lmfao
@@averi570 this is the real question
@@averi570 lmao facts
Whoever wrote this movie read Lolita, Hannibal, and Sybil then missed the point entirely of all three good lord.
The accuracy
I was just coming to say this. They’re trying to paint Grace as this Lolita/nymphette character and it’s disgusting.
They probably watched perfect blue too
@@beyoncewyatt8047 Yeah, the ending scene feels especially reminiscent of that movie
The writer/director went to byu, if that answers your questions (it does)
"He would have to die. He lost half of my money. That's my money." I felt that.
'R*pey vibes but make it ✨sparkle✨'
the way i SCREAMED-
I had to pause the video for a while.
@Truth Teller 🤮🤮🤮
can wlw relationships stop being presented and scandalous and cheating please
Yes please
Yeah but then straight men can’t fantasise about being cucked by someone who doesn’t threaten their fragile masculinity /s
@@unclenought6385 shit you're right we have to think about the poor men, they just NEED to get off on our relationships /s
This is why I write my WLW stories. Everything I read or watched was just not satisfactory 😔
Y’all Understand Movies Aren’t Realistic Right?...If They Made Everything Realistic Movies Would Be Boring
"eating kitty in the kitchen" is the best phrase i ever heard
Lmaooo
There was buzzfeed article about this movie that pointed out how lesbians are often portrayed as older woman younger woman pairs and their attraction is based on them mirroring each others past/future ("I hope I look as good as you when im your age") and instead of being attracted to each other as whole people, and it was really interesting
That is is a pretty interesting point butttt since this is supposed to be like a "Taboo romance" or this trope is often used a A Taboo romance lolita type shit I feel like this mirroring stuff is just to justify Pedophilc shit. Not saying mirroring is Pedophilc but like I can see it being used as an excuse if yeah get what I mean?
I hate buzzfeed but yah that’s so true
@@Unravel-w5m I agree. And yes you definitely made sense!
@@anyone1111 Thanks bub ☺️
When in reality they r mostly attracted to the same age group
People with mental disorders are actually the victims/survivors of violence/abuse at alarming rates so I definitely agree it's not beneficial to constantly portray them as violent abusers and murders
I think I know why it the cases. Bc I did hear a story from a class about how a person will their child and a child would think it’s normal and a cycle of violence will continue. I think media apply this logic to victims psychological mind bc they see them as torture soul who think is normal.
(BTW this not a justification for DID, I think people are asshole for using that. I actually really hope that nobody think that I come up as insensitive 😥)
"Murder is wrong. Don't murder people"
LOL
HA
-management
There goes my weekend
I hate when there's a character in movies that people immediately "attracted" to just because.... 🙄 Like, give us some reason!
In movies, TV shows, books, etc. I never understood this! What's in these character's pheromones besides plot armor?
Is it some kind of perfume she’s wearing? Is there something in the water? Because yeah she’s pretty, but she has a personality that is comparable to the taste of dry bran flakes.
Bella from twilight. i will never understand.
@@wateverziam She was a pale, slender, uh... 'soft-bodied' Brunette with no personality - No man can resist this combination. Dead, or Alive.
Stuff like that is such lazy writing in my opinion.
The two things that don’t survive a horror movie: pets and black friend 💀
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They did in Get Out but a black guy wrote it so 🤷🏾♀️
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Yall know why black people are the first to die in horror movies?
@@Madamefyness i’ve been wanting to know why :(
Things I’ve learned from watching Kennie
1. no man or woman allowed to mess with my bag.
“YOU WERE EATING HER COOCHIE IN MY KITCHEN!”
LMAOOO
😂😂😂😂
😆😂
that completely took me outttttt
Everyone’s always on my ass about having to eat in the kitchen and not my bedroom; I finally eat in the kitchen and suddenly I’m not supposed to anymore???
I think that when people with mental illnesses are portrayed as murders, stalkers, or villains in general, there always comes a point in the portrayal where they aren't seen as real sympathetic people anymore. They become ominous versions of their illness personified and they stay that way until the hero kills them and they become 'normal' again as they die. I just think that building a character beyond 5 traits, that are only there to prove the character is mentally ill, is the simplest way to better how the characters come across.
Unrelated, but Arthur our dank king.
Exactly. It is poorly written and perceived characters. If people actually knew disabled/ mentally ill people they WOULD KNOWWW that they are INDEED humans.
Wow what a crazy world huh?
exaclty man, the fact that Grace's voice even changed when she "turned" is so fucking stupid. it's so weird how they don't just make a movie about a murderer, they HAVE to make them mentally ill and further stigmatize VICTIMS of fucking ABUSE that have a DISORDER. people need to stop using mental illness as a trope for violence, just make a mf kill someone without involving it.
It was super weird her not being angrier at him for losing the money. Women, do not let someone else handle everything, know what's happening with your money
This is what Charlotte from Sex in the City decided to do with herself? ... yea sis let’s get that reboot happening because this is just sad.
Girl I noticed
@@bulumkomadaza5755 I am not disappointed in her. Charlotte would never.
@@asiahmae sorry, I think I didn't understand your statement.
I knew the main character looked familiar lol
I was like CHARLOTTE NO
How the hell did they get the sex And the city lady to be the lead of this
It could have been included in a contract, sometimes when an actor signs to do one movie sometimes other movies (usually bad/cheap movies that need a famous lead) are included in the bundle. So it’s possible she signed on to do something she really wanted, but had to do this to keep the other role. Also the movie could have not been written yet or completely rewritten and they got her attached or maybe she just needed that Netflix money.
AND they got Shanola Hampton :O
She's wasn't busy
Cause she old and desperate. She isn't relevant anymore
to be fair she played Charlotte who was probably the least interesting lead on Sex and the City
When Grace switches from her to "Margaret" I just thought of that "call and ambulance!" "but not for me" meme
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The trope is called Born Sexy Yesterday, where a character is seductive and alluring because she is naive and childlike. Was this movie written by a man? It comes off as a creepy man’s idea of how women would behave
Interesting 🤨
This isn't that trope but v similar
Actually no it was all women women can be creeps too just saying
Ironic thing is that a woman directed and wrote this lmao
One example of that trope was Fifth Element, I think...
It's so weird to me how so many movies are made from the perspective of the villians/real life serial killers, but rarely about trauma survivors the family members or otherwise who went through the situation.
Thank you they should do that
Try The Investigation, a dramatisation about the Kim Wall case. The director and real people involved did a great job.
I agree. I’d rather not see some dramatic and sensualized movie portraying this^.... like no thanks.
It's so weird. It's almost like as a society we're indoctrinated into feeling sympathy and empathy for the MURDERS AND CRIMINALS and be annoyed with the victims and their families for being concerned which is ridiculous and so so wrong.
@@lesbiangoddess290 no? It’s about fascination about what can cause someone to be so despicable or how they live with themselves.
Wish wlw relationships weren’t really fetishized and represented like this in the media
**aggressive bisexual nodding**
*sad lesbian nodding*
I found the "if this can make it to Netflix, so can your little story, write the damn screenplay" speech at the beginning incredibly inspiring, I'm going to go work on my screenplay now
I BELIEVE IN YOU👏🤧
YES. ❤
U got this
Stay strong and keep at it! Bring us better things to watch.
I am going to work on my screenplay too. You got this.
Omg it's 40 minutes long, one sec I'm gonna take off my bra and grab some snacks
Same sis same 😂
Girl just noticed that lol
I'm gonna finish some work and get ready to watch in bed
I didn't even notice that until I saw this comment but I'm not mad at it.
I fully ordered Panera
Why can’t we ever have a cute/healthy/happy wlw relationship? Why does it always have to be tragic and gut wrenching or gross and predatory? Also why do so many lgbt stories include cheating? It’s so exhausting.
Oh god yes, the cheating. There is ALWAYS cheating. I'm TIRED of it.
Ikr honestly why do almost every fucking romance movie needs cheating as a plot point especially since it seems like the people who makes movies like this don't know how to write it well at all
Nomnomnami!!! Has Gaems Pls Blay Thoes
Thankfully there are a few wholesome lesbian movies.
Watch elisa y Marcella it’s so good also below her mouth that one is a bit meh but the two girls are sexy af hahah. Both are my favorite lesbian movies
I have bipolar disorder and I’ve seen TONS of movies that depict us as only violent and angry. We’re not all like that like when I’m manic yeah I may get emotional but most of the time I’m in my bed online shopping for things I really don’t need (I just spent 320 dollars on pillows....send help pls) I make some some stupid decisions but I’m not plotting to kill anyone and I’m so sick of seeing it depicted this way because when I’m dating and I open up about it people want to leave.
The real question is were the pillows worth it?
@@fountainofheaven3547 Yes, my sleep has actually been better, my daughter also really like them to so they’re worth it.
Same. I have it, and I just don’t tell most people unless they also have it, which thankfully some of my friends do. Because they portray us as psychos.
Angelique, $320 for a pillow?! You could’ve gotten two pairs of UGGs for that lmao
I feel like it depends on age. Like my father came from the years where you could still legally rape your spouse. And mental illness was "a liberal agenda," weird conservative conspiracy shit. Anyways, my father is bipolar and he never got therapy for it because he was in denial despite being diagnosed with it, and he wouldn't take medication for it. Well, when he had his mood swings, he'd rape my mom and beat me and my brothers up.
So like, it's not like the stigma comes from nowhere.
But now that we're becoming more liberal as a country, we're progressing about mental awareness and education about it.
It's no longer the time of beating your kids mental issues out of them, but becoming understanding and listening.
Lifetime has a 25+ movie series called "The Wrong..." and every single movie is terrible. They ALL have Vivica Fox in them for some reason and she basically plays herself in every single role (and usually drops the title of the movie at the climax). I've seen most of them and the worst one so far has been "The Wrong Valentine". It's a really strange rabbit hole of bad movies, you should look into it. Most of them have been uploaded somewhere on UA-cam.
I have watched a lot of these too, sometimes you just need something super cheesy. 🤣🤣
thank u for ruining my whole weekend bc I'm definitely watching all of these
The stepson was awful!
Honestly I love them LMAO. Also Vivica is in most of them but not all of them. I believe she has a contract with them though. They're lifetime so ofc they're not great but I still watch them all the time
I’ll probably binge watch this year 😂
“i know they thought this was thought provoking, but it’s actually just stupid.” basically sums up the whole movie
every day i hope kennie does another japanese movie like boy meets girl... that mess was the funniest thing to watch her react to
It took me 5 hours, over 2 nights, to watch that mess because I had to keep pausing it to walk away and scream. One session between screams only lasted 5 minutes 🤣
@@celinahatton2653 🤣😭
Oh, I have a suggestion. It's called "Call Boy" (2018) and it's an erotic movie but it's so bad. I actually wanted to recommend it to Kennie by dm. I watched it just because an actor I really like plays a side character in it.It's so creepy and weird and not sexy at all but at the same time it's lowkey very funny.
YES, that's my go to BM&AB from her, just hilarious all the way through
Yess. One time my Japanese discord was trying a movie together and I joined in I can't remember what it was called but it was about a girl that had grown up completely protected from everything or something, in her 30s and has never had a job, I think, that kind of vibe. And of course it was a romance, and the entire time everyone else was enjoying it and I'm like, this is so bad, I got toxic vibes tho I honestly don't remember it that well, tho it might've been brat taming vibes, kinda taming of the shrew kind of thing?. If anyone knows what I'm talking about , ye that, seems like a bad enough movie to do and if everyone else's reaction was a this is good in a normal kind of way reaction, then idek what is considered normal in a Japanese live action movie romance but it doesn't look good. # when your reality TV is more wholesome than your romance films
Half of their savings???? Were getting a divorce and Im taking the other half.🤧 he outta pocket
Right like we not okay
Also how did he lose it on a business deal without her knowing he used that much money?! Was he -gambling- "investing" in bitcoin?! Nothing makes sense.
@@ThexDynastxQueen Exactly, how do you not notice that half your savings are gone? There are so many issues here
Why the fuck was he using the SAVINGS account for BUSINESS? That’s supposed to be two different accounts.
Yeah ngl I'd probably just be like "Oh that's fine we have a prenup I don't care" cuz no way I'm not having a prenup but if I don't...divorce that night. The dude is sleeping at a motel.
Character - * is named Grace *
My friend named Grace IRL - Oh god please no
Also infantilization is not sexy pass it on
“Infantilization isn’t sexy pass it on” Tell that to the kpop community. As a kpop fan I said what I said, y’all are weirdos for babying these 20 something year old idols.
@@__L__837exactly, they act like they know nothing about the outside world
My youngest sister is named grace😭😭fuck creepy ppl
As a nanny I was cringing so hard watching this that my stomach started hurting I was physically in pain
Omg💀
I felt the painn
My dad works in mental health and I asked him something similar with how crime and mental health relate. He told me t it is much more common for people with mental disorders to be the victim of violence than being the perpetrator and how many killers etc. don't necessarily have a mental illness.
He also said that when a person with a mental illness it's the attacker it is normally in self-defence, like during an episode their paranoia has convinced them whole heartedly with out a shadow of a doubt that their roommate or neighbour is going to or trying to kill them so they have to do something to stop them to save their own life be it killing them first or with a less lethal attack. A lot of the time they would have no recollection of the attack or will stricken with grief and/or guilt just like anyone else would if they found out they did something like that.
I feel like media uses mental illness as too much of a scapegoat for violence (villanizing vulnerable people) instead of just showing the fact that some people are terrible with no real reason, like if someone believes that there should be gay conversation therapy, they most like don't have a mental disorder, just a horrible view and little empathy for those they don't understand
@Kimora Harris There is definitely a distinction between being "sick and twisted" and being mentally ill
I actually thought Grace was some sort of demon, putting random dreams and nightmares into their heads to mess with them but then the ending came and I was like 🤔
That would have been way cooler
I thought the husband and Grace drugged her. That would've been so much more interesting.
I would kill to see that. Turn it into a horror out of no where. You better go ahead and write that lol
same i thought she was a succubus especially with this seduction thing going on
"Catherine" is that you?
They really sat down and said "Yknow what wlw need? Predatory relationships
really love the fact that “netflix thriller” is on the disclaimer list. queen behavior tbh
The movie tries so hard to pass the test of not demonising mentally ill audiences by making both women have the same disorder but one’s a killer and the other one sexually infantilised the other. The creators really believed this would reach the mark? 😒
I swear to god, we need more ACTUALLY GOOD wlw representation in movies and TV series NOT written by men...
I was thinking that too, so I checked it, but unfortunately it was both written and directed by a woman 🙃
@@nittlegraspershinee what have we learned today : art mirrors life : protagonist has a creepy male gaze-- so does the director's camera work
Preach cause it seems like they read one book on bdsm and then wrote this movie
This was written by a woman but she went to BYU so it’s 100% male gaze-y
Why does it seem like person who wrote the screenplay read Lolita once and didn't get the point of it at all, but decided to gender bend Humbert Humbert. Bless you for watching this for our entertainment
Omg. that movie was so awful. Im sure it wasn’t at all like the book. Most movies aren’t sadly. I couldn’t watch it, it made me so sad yet uncomfortable. Just a huge no. And the littlest thing from this guys perspective in this movie was sexualized it was disgusting.
@@anyone1111 Haven't seen it or read it but Lolita is supposed to have an unreliable narrator that is incredibly disgusting and twist every little thing to justify the fact he's attracted to a child. You SHOULD be revolted and disgusted because you're not a creep. The book is reputed to be a hard read because of that! In fact there was also backlash because people didn't get that they weren't supposed to side with the protagonist/narrator and that the narration is heavily biased. People legit thought it was romanticizing and promoting pedophilia
I’m weak at the fact that the black friend is V from shameless. All I can think about is her going home then telling Kevin and Fiona about her crazy day and how she was about to beat some rich white lady’s ass because of her rich white lady accusations. 😭
Hey, I know about this!
Previously known as "multiple personality disorder", DID (dissociative identity disorder) and OSDD (otherwise specified dissociative disorder) (these are the US's terms) are trauma disorders.
The name was changed to reflect the fact that they're not actually a personality disorder, but a dissociative disorder formed in childhood.
As children, we all have separate "ego states". For example, an infant will have separate states for being hungry or happy or in pain.
As we age, these develop and begin to merge to form our identity.
DID and OSDD and their counterparts are a result of trauma interfering with this before the age of ~9 years old.
When a child goes through trauma and is capable of dissociating to a high degree, these ego states can be essentially "walled off" to deal with the event. This can mean, for example, a specific event can be tied to one of these ego states and then blocked from the rest of the consciousness. People describe these as "amnesiac walls" because they generally disallow memories between "parts".
These will continue to stay blocked off and can grow into their own consciousness. People call these "alters" or "parts".
People with these disorders often call ourselves "systems".
Due to the nature of how these disorders form, we are more likely to be victims of abuse than to perpetuate it. It's a coping technique employed by a child undergoing repeated trauma, abuse, and/or neglect.
Getting a diagnosis for this disorder is also very difficult because it exists to protect the brain. Many systems are "covert", meaning a switch between alters is hardly noticeable even to the system. Alters exist to fill rolls needed by the child at the time of forming.
The idea that this disorder makes us dangerous is entirely fabricated and perpetuated by films and media
I find the main thing films fail to represent with this disorder is that it can sometimes be so subtle to other people. Like it's so hurtful this film has the characters have evil demonic voices when they "change."
Thank you for explaining this!
Hey just so you know this theory is widely disliked among plural people. It suggests being plural is a broken form of being a singlet when there are plural people who don't have any issues with that, and it's also not true to how many people have developed.
It's also a theory which I particularly hate for the whole ranking traumas sort of thing. The idea that if you have one level of trauma you have unintegrated emotional parts but not distinct identities, it just kinda shits on people with bpd/ptsd as well imo. Because... I know this aspect isn't very explicit but it feels like saying a person with DID has experienced more trauma than someone with bpd and that seems shitty even if you just mean their perception of the trauma.
I feel like so many movies, especially when it's with girls in relationships or girls on girls, people will sum the movie up to just sex. Like "Blue is the warmest color" was supposed to be about exploring lesbian relationships and sexuality and how Adèle messed her relationship up. But because it showed sex, most people just remember it for the sex scenes. I think that's why people are so focused on the sexual relation in this movie rather than realizing that this kind of behavior is weird and that it's not okay
@drosera I know that was another big thing that came out. One of the critics was that it had become more like porn scenes (fake and unrealistic) rather than being true to what would happen in a lesbian dynamic. Also that the director put a heavy emphasis on filming the sex scenes. The actresses both said that they swayed in between feeling like a sex worker and feeling like they were growing from the experience. I've read that they had silicone molds over themselves when filming which made them more comfortable, but I can't say it with certainty.
I used Blue is the warmest color because it was a film that had potential to talk about genuine struggles and shown the rawness of two girls loving each other while struggling with themselves. But due to the graphic scenes of them, most people who watch it only see the sex. Especially when it came to the American audience
@@anissab.7260 hi ! I’m French, I was 17 at the time the movie came out, and believe me that’s what my country thought of the movie too... I was very disappointed in its execution, the emphasis on the sex scenes was a marketing tactic
@@Cocolagaffe18 I'm really surprised that the director didn't take advantage of a good story arc he could have taken with the film. It could have been really really good. The camera work and how the scenes were set up were so immersive and beautifully done. But then it was just constantly crowded with sex scenes. So of course, that's all people will talk about.
@@anissab.7260 I was bored to death watching that film! Literally I swear one of those sex scenes was ten minutes long.
@@mechantechatonne I know! There's a difference between artistic vision to show sex and it's influence on the relationship over making a porn scene and putting it in the movie
This trope of “she’s just so alluring iM sO DrAwN tO hEr” so it’s okay for people to be creepy as hell is so tiring too.
"I know they thought this was thought provoking, but it's really just stupid"
Literally movies these days in a nut shell.
The fact that Mary was the stressed mother who suspected her husband was having an affair with their babysitter even in Sex & the City 2 has me w h e e z i n g 💀😂
And she was relieved to find out that her nanny was gay. :D
I hate when ppl try to use "split personalities" (aka dissociative identity disorder) as an excuse to where they're eViL or DaNgErOuS. A lot of my mutuals are part of a system and I don't think any of them would hurt a fly
Me: *Unfinished homework, unfinished project, missing assignments*
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*"Well Ferb, I know what we're gonna do today..."*
This is depressingly relatable
I currently have a Culminating task due in 3 days and I haven't even started it soon so...
deadass what i'm doing rn
I have a 15 page paper due in under 24 hrs so i felt that
@@mysticalstardust child of you don’t start- 😀
Off topic but, THAT NECKLACE?! HELLS TO THE FUCKING YES 😩🥲🤌🏻 I am in *love*
Agreed.
Honestly I think when doing violence and murder Invisible Man is a good example of it being done well, where the villain is not specifically diagnosed with anything but is mostly narcissistic and manipulative.
That movie is so good.
It made me so stressed and agitated watching it, which I hated immensely, but the ending was just so satisfying
Almost, why does SEX have to be in every Netflix show!!!
Because it's pretty much the cw
And a lot of it is graphic sex too
THANK YOU. That’s what I’ve been wondering for a long time
@Dee Ayy Why Night Productions right! Like I understand people have sex... Sometimes it doesn't always need to be shown.
It can be semi shown to make it so sexy. Lol 😆😆
@Dee Ayy Why Night Productions right? Also if they want to see hot people screw, they can watch porn. The entertainment that's actually made for that purpose. Tgey don't need to to but cringy awkward fake humping sex scenes into regular media. Good God people
Why do people like making sexual assault and all into something romantic and hot. It's really not and it's creepy.
Because Movies Aren’t Suppose To Be Taken As Actual Reality
But most of the time it is taken as reality and if they find it romantic in movies, it's surely going to be romantic in real life too
@@legacyjai9003 It doesn’t make it alright, literally people thinking this is alright. I was raped and it might be different from sexual assault but it’s still bad
“Write your damn screenplay.” Another person in the comments added they were inspired, and honestly, so am I. I’m gonna finish the ones I started and get them out there (one of them focusing on a relationship between two bi women, since I felt as a bi woman there aren’t a lot of good, healthy representations).
"My capricorn sun scorpio rising talking"
oooooh, I get it now
My scorpio moon capricorn rising was like "I get it girl... I get it"
🤣🤣🤣 I was like "OUR...?"
I love the look for this week. You look like an old Hollywood glamour goddess, especially with the blue velvet blouse and the glittery choker. I could really see u like, traipsing down an elegant spiral staircase with a glass of champagne in one hand, delivering an airy soliloquy about how you poisoned your husband
Yeah the look was jaw dropping.
As someone who is an advocate for mental health in addition to having a mental health disorder, I think there should be a law created that says any movie/tv show that involves any character having any mental health disorder is required to have several mental health professionals and people who have the same mental health disorders as the characters involved with every part of the project, from the scripts to filming and even editing to ensure that the final project is not disrespectful, harmful, or stigmatizing to anyone who has any mental health disorder. Because when you don't have anyone who has either first-hand or professional knowledge of mental health issues involved with movies and tv shows, you end up with something that does nothing but further enforce the stereotypes and stigmas around mental health which causes harm to those of us who do have a mental health disorder. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
I’m not an author or anything but you can’t really just WRITE a good book? Don’t you have to have motivation and inspiration? Tbh I sympathize with Marie being asked to just write a whole goddamn book
I think it depends a lot on the author for the extent to which you need to wait for inspiration, and motivation can mean a lot of things. Money is a motivation (particularly if you actually know you'll *make* some money), as are deadlines (especially when connected to something like money).
Trying to figure out *what* to write, some people need to wait (not really an option if writing is your primary income), some will look for it (I often read folklore and I do really well sometimes with given prompts for anthologies or classes, so I'm trying to find a more controlled method of getting them) and some people are Stephen King or R.L. Stine, and I have no idea what they're doing, but evidently it gives them enough ideas for their massive output.
Writing is, first and foremost, a job. So, regardless of inspiration or motivation or not, if writing is your CAREER you gotta sit your ass down at your desk and just WRITE.
Now, what you write on those days when you're not feel motivated or inspired may not make it into the final draft, but the point is you've just gotta keep putting words down until you get to the end.
If you only write when you're feeling motivated/inspired or when "the Muse is with you" then you're never going to make it.
So the fact that she is an established published author and that writing is her career, 100% she should be able to sit down and write a book.
Now whether or not that book is any good is another matter, but most authors can't really tell if what they're working on is worth publishing until it's finished.
But she should have the discipline, at this point in her life, to sit down and churn out a generic novel.
And honestly if she's as popular as the movie seems to make her, it should sell decently either way.
I mean not every one of Stephen King's books is a masterpiece but he's still Stephen fucking King.
-source: I'm a Writer.
sadly that's not how it works all the time, sometimes a book is a passion project - but for example, Warrior Cats was a pitched idea, the original author didn't even like the idea (but wrote the books anyway) and then it was written by multiple authors. it wasn't ever a passion project - it was a product. A lot of series are created this way.
Not sure if this counts as a BAD movie, but she needs to see “Barbie as Rapunzel.”
Main reason being that Kendall has to see the “Give him to me ahhh 😩” line.
HAHAHAHA JUST READING THIS COMMENT AND REMEMBERING THAT SCENE IS SENDING ME INTO ORBIT
g i v e h i m t o m e a a a a a a a h h h h
"give him to me 😩æh"
But the movie isn't bad😭
Barbie as rapunzel is legendary :(
Kendall: “Black friend we don’t know her name of most of the time, so we’re gonna call her black friend”
Me: “that’s Veronica from Shameless”
God, I’m not even knowledgeable in makeup, but Kennie’s eye shadow from the start had me fixated for a good minute there
ok but can we all appreciate kennie's LOOK?? an absolute serve. a whole icon.
Kennie's eyeshadow and face in general, is immaculate
that blue look is EVERYTHINGGGG
As a lesbian this movie is so fetishized and disgusting because they put WLW/lesbian relationships into a stereotype that ‘all gay people are sexual predators it really makes me uncomfortable that someone thought that this was okay to make:/:(
Off topic but I’m OBSESSED with this look. Like the royal blue?? With the silver necklace?? Matching eyeshadow?? PLEASE IM IN LOVE
i am so ✨sick✨ of sapphics being made out to be predatory like,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, sir my relationship with women has already been ruined by people assuming i’m dating every woman i stand next to, i don’t need this too
Me struggling with self-doubt that the romance story I'm writing is trash
Kennie: 5:59-6:22
Me: _wipes tear_ you're right
i created an imdb account solely for the purpose of shitting on this movie like. the whole thing felt like a ✨hatecrime✨
Unfortunately, someone enjoys this storyline no matter how damaging it is.
Some enjoy trash because they don’t realize it’s trash, and some enjoy trash because it’s trash and they can shit on it
@@flowersandcheesecake1710 im talking about the epstien vibez lol pervs love this
"money that i made by selling thriller smut to a bunch of wine moms"😂😂😂
No but shoutout to Kendall for putting subtitles available ! It’s legit necessary for people who don’t speak english as their 1st language or who have trouble hearing!
I personally would like to see more stalker/obsession movies deal with how entitlement and privilege play a role in violence and their behavior. That impacts how the person being stalked/victimized is able to navigate their experiences and seek help. And I'd also like to see the reverse of the set up where the person who is mentally ill is the victim not the perpetrator just to explore how that shapes the way your situation is viewed. Like having borderline, bipolar disorder, and other personality disorders has been used as evidence against assault survivors to discredit them. So there's definitely more nuance to this set up that should be explored imo!
literally sat down with my cereal lookin for something to watch and you SAVED MEEE 💫🤏🏼
I literally did the same😂😂
@29:47 That's actually one of the most believable parts of the movie; you would not believe how many times I've been in an interview and they just left the office for like a good 20 minutes and just came back like nothing happened.
Everyone paints me as the movie paints Grace; a doll that allures everyone. It’s disgusting to know every person that approaches me may be a predator.
I feel you on this. Then when you complain about it you get people thinking you’re humble bragging.
No I’m literally recovering from agoraphobia because of how bad it’s effected me, it’s not a brag.
Yeah, it's like... "Okay, thanks for thinking I'm cute, but I'm an actual person, and stop treating me as a child." Why am I so much more attractive if I look younger/"innocent"? Like, maybe look into your own problems before placing them on me.
I have the same, I had to quit my previous job because of the amount of sexual harassment and attention I was subjected to. I couldn't even tell anyone or get help from HR because women were jealous/thought I was humble bragging and men decided I should be thankful and treat this as a compliment. Wow.
i love how "netflix thriller" is a warning
This movie is really giving Colleen Hoover vibes. Over-hyped, under-delivering and trying really hard to be creepy/shocking for the sake of just being creepy/shocking without successfully doing either.
My thoughts on writing mentally ill villains as a writer who's from a family with a lot of mental illness and who has a few myself: make it feel real, don't blame their actions on their illness. Mental illness doesn't turn a "normal, wholesome, good person" into a murderer/stalker/abuser. Portray a complex person, explain the way that they think, how their mental illness might influence their unique perspective, and forget words like "good" and "bad." Remember that any and all mental illnesses exist on a spectrum, they can be treated in ways that really do work, and mentally ill people can get on in society just fine with the right resources. You're better off portraying multiple people with any specific illness/disorder in any work where it's a central focus, because focusing on one character like that tends to feel like you're slapping everyone with the same label into a very narrow box. Honestly, if you're not using your work to raise some form of awareness, it's a good idea not to label a specific mental illness or even involve psychiatry at all; it's awfully fucking convenient in these stories that these characters always have a diagnosis from a past treatment (usually involuntary stay), but have no current treatment plan in place, implying that they choose to be the menace to society they are, when very few people who have been properly treated ever want to go off their meds (and many have anxieties about doing so for other medical reasons) because they typically don't want to fall back into the chaos their life was when untreated. Actually do research on medications, if your character is or was taking them at some point: a lot of people think meds are magic and that they all have about the same activation speed and duration... not so, and it can and will affect a "character goes off their meds" plot. The whole "they continued to work as normal but became a murderer" thing is unlikely, they way more likely are really tired and anxious. I have a lot more thoughts on this than I realised, but please just 1) DO YOUR RESEARCH 2) DIVERSIFY REPRESENTATION 3) MAKE THEM PEOPLE, NOT WALKING EMBODIMENTS OF A DISORDER. Good examples of mentally ill protagonists include the Portal 2 comic Lab Rat (schizophrenia), manga Oyasumi Pun Pun (undiagnosed extreme depression, depersonalisation, derealisation, PTSD, possible narcissism or sociopathy), TV Crazy Ex-Girlfriend (Borderline Personality Disorder). All three treat mental illness really differently, but quite accurately (to my experiences with them) and do so without falsely praising or condemning their mentally ill characters. The latter two are even arguably villain-protagonists, but seeing things through their eyes helps a NT audience empathize with them and understand where and when their mental illness is *influencing* but not *causing* a toxic thought pattern that leads to amoral actions.
Only way this could have been worse was if Mary and Grace/Margaret were all the same person somehow. I honestly thought it was heading that way.
To be quite honest, the way that this movie is framed makes the last half feel like a delusion. The editing and framing is absolutely confusing, and downright atrocious. After all, the final twist is just so, so stupid. The framing of Grace is just so creepy and unrealistic that it makes me feel that the murder scene was just a delusion. (although we do see the grave of the lady she killed, but still.) The point is, this movie's framing devices lead to confounding conclusions and no difference between headspace and reality.
Holy sweet shit. I thought the same
As someone who once was very close to someone with DID...one it doesn't work this way and it's disgusting they sexualize (while also treating it as child like at the same time disgustingly) and stigmatize it, two...wtf is this magic charm thing Grace seemingly has and how is it related? Like sure, one might get along with someone in the system more than another or find them attractive personality wise, but it's not like their other personalities have love potion or something.
haven't even started the video properly yet but netflix really doesn't give two shaking shits about decent representation 😭 "yeah we're gonna give you lesbians and bisexual women but we're giving you age-old predatory stereotypes with it" hellscape