Is Gi or No Gi BJJ Best for Self Defense?

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  • @Andrew-cs1td
    @Andrew-cs1td 2 дні тому +41

    People that know how to fight know enough to avoid fighting outside a gym.

    • @richardgallagher4880
      @richardgallagher4880 2 дні тому +2

      This isn't true😆😆

    • @JosephAllen-d2e
      @JosephAllen-d2e 2 дні тому +2

      Yeah, pro fighters are fairly well know for getting into drunken brawls. Especially UFC fighters and Gracies.

    • @Andrew-cs1td
      @Andrew-cs1td 2 дні тому +3

      @ they really aren’t well known for it though. They are just semi-famous so when it happens you hear about it 100% of the time. If you looked at the proportion of street fights that contain a pro fighter you are looking at .01% or less easily.

    • @Herosoyyo2
      @Herosoyyo2 2 дні тому

      Sure. Unless you have to.
      And it's more likely to stop a fight from happening at all if you actually trust it for real. It impacts your attitude in a way that will dissuade a bigger and bigger percentage of the smegs who might attack you, the more pressure it's been tested by and the more you trust it.
      "But the more pressure the more dangerous your training"
      Sure. There's a sweet spot.
      "Just don't be where anyone could force you to fight"
      Crazy people are actually allowed everywhere, I don't mean to alarm the reader here.
      The video got it right. And I'll add one very true thing Hard2Hurt always says: You won't rise to the occasion, you will fall to your level of training.

    • @richardgallagher4880
      @richardgallagher4880 2 дні тому

      @@Andrew-cs1td
      What a load a waffle😂😂😂

  • @Igoriann
    @Igoriann 2 дні тому +8

    Its good to know gi in case person is wearing a sweater, jacket, etc. However its also super important to know what you can do when theyre shirtless.. both are equally useful in their own way

    • @rodpierce8468
      @rodpierce8468 37 хвилин тому +1

      Funny part is most who argue GI vs no-GI have never done striking and/or dont spar regularly - which is a way bigger liability than deciding which specific grappling art to master. To be the best, u gotta be a Jack of all trades, and even then it may not be enough in a street fight where anything can happen.

  • @scotttoccs03
    @scotttoccs03 2 дні тому +13

    People are going to be arguing about this until the end of time.

    • @Unjust1
      @Unjust1 День тому

      or best nogi guys vs best gi guys. Shirts vs skins

  • @rorkan138
    @rorkan138 2 дні тому +22

    It's like 9mm vs 45ACP. This topic will never go away

  • @chriso8726
    @chriso8726 2 дні тому +8

    Here’s how I look at it, anything you can do in nogi can be done with the gi on. The reverse is not true. I train both but gi more and think you should train what you want. 🤙🏼

  • @Morjixxo
    @Morjixxo День тому +4

    Of course the way you train is what matter most, but that doesn't answer the question:
    Here is my take:
    1) You can't always rely on Gi attacks: NoGi is better for developing a reliable offense.
    2) You have to know how to defend people grabbing your clothes: Gi is better for a complete defense. (This applies in the sport, however this scenario is very unlikely in a real life situation: Almost no one knows how to attack your clothes, that's why I train NoGi)
    I also cross train (like 20%) in Judo to learn some takedowns so I cover in that way a bit of Gi training.

    • @NoNicheGuy
      @NoNicheGuy Годину тому

      So, I think it’s a matter of training a little of each! 20% Judo, not a bad idea.

  • @tincan2468
    @tincan2468 2 дні тому +6

    I am of the opinion that both is the best way to go, so you have more options.

  • @godlyk3
    @godlyk3 2 дні тому +21

    wait why are you not training both?

  • @FunctionalJiujitsu
    @FunctionalJiujitsu 2 дні тому +1

    Great explanation they both have their benefits if trained properly. I've also had gi help me when it came to training in regular clothes and vice versa where rolling in regular clothes like shirts and hoodies gave me ideas for gi grappling grips

  • @todd2324
    @todd2324 День тому

    Great answer and analysis, Chewy.

  • @gordo3697
    @gordo3697 2 дні тому +1

    Jujitsu teaches you how to think and see opportunities

  • @medicineandbrazilianjiujit8511

    Great advice, as always, Coach Chewy!
    I have heard it said that the best predictor of who will win in a one on one confrontation is the caliber of the fighter.
    Always learn a lot from you.

    • @richardturner1579
      @richardturner1579 2 дні тому

      Except real violence is rarely one on one and it’s down to the unlimited variables that can and do happen.

    • @medicineandbrazilianjiujit8511
      @medicineandbrazilianjiujit8511 2 дні тому +1

      @@richardturner1579
      Of course anything can happen.
      In general, a world class striker will knock out a hobby shop grappler before he knows what’s going on.
      A division one wrestler will blast double, and ground and pound out a hobby shop striker before he can blink.

    • @richardgallagher4880
      @richardgallagher4880 День тому

      ​@@richardturner1579
      That's not true at all.

  • @ItsPandatory
    @ItsPandatory День тому +2

    For self defense i practice my gun kata from the movie equilibrium

  • @DnDandVideoGames
    @DnDandVideoGames 2 дні тому +2

    The answer is: do you live somewhere cold? If so, Gi (cuz jackets). Else, do mixed for fun.

  • @jaytheexplorer9016
    @jaytheexplorer9016 День тому +1

    Also depends a bit on your climate or even weather. In the tropics or hot summer, no-gi gets the edge because most people are wearing shorts + t-shirt. In a cold region or winter, gi is more applicable because everybody is wearing a coat with big, juicy labels!

    • @Damin-Danger-Ledford
      @Damin-Danger-Ledford 13 годин тому

      Labels?!
      😂😂
      That's fuckin hilarious.
      I know what you mean but that was still funny shit

    • @jaytheexplorer9016
      @jaytheexplorer9016 8 годин тому

      @@Damin-Danger-Ledford lol LAPELS!!

  • @edgarflores7935
    @edgarflores7935 2 дні тому

    Thanks for the vid chew much appreciated!!

  • @ronaldtessman100
    @ronaldtessman100 5 годин тому

    Great answer!!

  • @AntoineFabri
    @AntoineFabri 2 дні тому +1

    Funnily enough iirc this precise channel made a video about a "realistic" training session for Halloween or something where everyone came with normal clothes they could afford to destroy. Maybe Chewy remembers if gi guys were better than no gi guys or not that day? 😅

  • @thedarwinist672
    @thedarwinist672 День тому +1

    You see ONE fight where the guy takes his shirt off first and you realize IMMEDIATELY that gi sucks.

  • @killersalmon4359
    @killersalmon4359 2 дні тому +1

    It depends on where you live, and what season you're in.

  • @cornedbeeftrash6592
    @cornedbeeftrash6592 2 дні тому +1

    Do whatever you like to do but people who train both are more ready for either scenario. Straight facts.

  • @leesanders1619
    @leesanders1619 2 дні тому +2

    As a former Force Recon Marine who has been involved in “ civilian management” in a dozen countries. I’ve never been attacked by someone in spandex.

  • @metalover2
    @metalover2 День тому

    A healthy mix of both is good for me.

  • @kasaiicarus2234
    @kasaiicarus2234 22 години тому

    my instructor says he had success applying gi techniques on just a regular shirt.

  • @NathanAGoss
    @NathanAGoss День тому

    C'mon, Chewy!
    Though I might crash and burn here, I'm gonna attempt some deeper nuance:
    "Defense" generally means you're on bottom (hint: it's called "guard" for a reason)....
    Which is harder to escape - sidemoumt bottom in the gi or no gi? Same question for all inferior positions. Also, who has to fend off more submission threats? Gi or no gi?
    I do agree that the training bias you mention matters. Furthermore, gloving up gets rid of all the flippy-dippy moves. However at the end of the day.....
    Even as a guy that prefers no gi myself, gi does present more advantages for "defense" (all other things being equal).

  • @HeartlessKnave
    @HeartlessKnave 20 годин тому

    Yes. Train Gi and No Gi, wrestling and Judo. Train in striking using upper and lower body, lift weights to get big and strong, run and sprint to have endurance and be explosive, do Parkour to be agile and efficient, learn and practice first aid (critically undervalued skill-set), learn to handle weapons to learn to defend against them, learn situational awareness -- especially for obstacles or objects that can put you in danger or be used to your advantage (ie something that can trip you or be a weapon, walls for climbing or MMA wall take-downs, etc.), become a master of _verbal Jujitsu and other soft skills..._ Self-defense requires a tool-kit to adapt to different situations, not a hammer for everything.

    • @rhomboidq7001
      @rhomboidq7001 8 годин тому

      Throw in - always stay sober and avoid intoxicated people and your list is perfect

    • @HeartlessKnave
      @HeartlessKnave 6 годин тому

      @@rhomboidq7001 I don't drink or go to places that intoxicated people do, so didn't even think of that, it being a given to me. That would also fall under situational awareness and the three A's "Awareness, Anticipation, and Avoidance."

  • @pudensa
    @pudensa 2 дні тому +7

    What I feel most people miss in that argument is the fact that most people train at a sport jiujitsu gym and not necessarily a self defense jiujitsu gym. Gi no gi don’t matter one bit.
    Best self defense is to run away or avoid places where the likelihood of terrible things tend to happen in the first place.
    Lo liked takedowns well unfortunately the guy had a gun
    Murilo had a knife at adcc ready to throw down
    If you want self defense get your 100 yard dash

    • @OneStripeRyan
      @OneStripeRyan 2 дні тому +1

      100% agree

    • @shawng746
      @shawng746 2 дні тому +2

      Agreed. You should never only train for one specific scenario. Your body is a tool, keep it ready. Your mind is also a tool, always try to de-escalate the situation. Run away if you can. Control the other person if you can't run away, and continue looking for that moment to run away if that's an option. I have a young guy at my gym, that is always wanting to have conversations about what to do in this situation or that situation. More times than not I tell him if you found yourself in that situation you already made bad decisions to get there. Avoid places where risk is high, pay attention to your surroundings, and in the words of Lil Jon, "Don't Start No Sh*t, Won't be no sh*t".

  • @richardturner1579
    @richardturner1579 2 дні тому +2

    Why do these types of debates still exist? Which is better for self defence this martial art or that martial art? Real violence is sudden, explosive, full of ego adrenaline and emotions. In reality anyone can beat anyone else if the circumstances favour them and if they have a valid reason, and the violent intent to carry it out. It always comes down to the individuals or groups involved, the situation, the environment, multiples, weapons, how switched on or off that you are at the time, awareness, spotting pre threat cues etc. It has nothing to do with which martial art is “the best” what if you are not very good at either gi or no gi? Then neither is the best. Modern Jiu Jitsu is an amazing sport. It is not for self protection. If you want to train for real violence then I would highly recommend Lee Morrison and his Urban Combatives.

    • @ItsPandatory
      @ItsPandatory День тому

      The debates exist because people are desparate for the stuff they're doing to have meaning and/or be important.

    • @richardgallagher4880
      @richardgallagher4880 День тому

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @richardturner1579
      @richardturner1579 День тому

      @@richardgallagher4880 I take it you are part of the bjj is the best for everything cult.

    • @richardgallagher4880
      @richardgallagher4880 День тому

      @@richardturner1579
      No, just laughing at your 'I just see red bro' rant😆😆

    • @richardturner1579
      @richardturner1579 День тому

      @@richardgallagher4880 I see. Well 30 years of combat experience, having dealt with multiple real world situations over that time would say I know what I am talking about wouldn’t it.

  • @kingkanakapino269
    @kingkanakapino269 День тому +1

    I live full time at a nudist colony.

  • @OneStripeRyan
    @OneStripeRyan 2 дні тому

    Before even watching the video: the best strategy is to run away. Just run. If you can’t run, do whatever you can to survive.

  • @OneShotStop229
    @OneShotStop229 2 дні тому +5

    Track is the best sport for self defense.
    Aside, I would say that the Gi is more technical and more important. You can do NoGi while wearing a gi, but you can't do gi while doing NoGi. At the end of the day, i think the most important thing is just that you're training at all.

    • @jackstanton2790
      @jackstanton2790 2 дні тому +1

      Facts

    • @Andrew-cs1td
      @Andrew-cs1td 2 дні тому +2

      Can’t run and leave your family behind; well at least I can’t.

    • @richardgallagher4880
      @richardgallagher4880 2 дні тому +1

      Youcant run anywhere if you can't break grips.
      Also you can't out run more that 50% of people.

    • @richardgallagher4880
      @richardgallagher4880 2 дні тому +2

      @@Andrew-cs1td
      You've not met my wife😂

    • @Andrew-cs1td
      @Andrew-cs1td 2 дні тому

      @@richardgallagher4880 my wife is a higher rank than me, my children train as well. People better strike now before my children get much bigger if they want to stand a chance.

  • @jonathantan3577
    @jonathantan3577 День тому

    Isn't it always a question of whether it is summer or winter?😂😂😂

  • @TangomanX2008
    @TangomanX2008 15 годин тому

    To me, this is an example of a false distinction due to an issue within a particular situation or or system. Nobody talks about gi or no gi Karate because the gi, or lack there of, doesn't really change how Karate is done, for example. With grappling, a gi, or lack thereof, fundamentally changes how you grapple. If we had something equivalent, it would also change Wrestling and other grappling systems. I pretty sure that Bjj people are aware of this, but I need to point this out because of this conversation, within BJJ, there is a fundamental difference in grappling with Gi no Gi, and there may be too many to list but to generalize, with Gi, friction is a factor and you can grab the gi, and without the gi, things are mores slippery and rely more on grabbing the body. But the real difference, and the elephant is the room is that while the case can be made that there is more about using the gi applies more to no gi than the other way round, for the most part, they are, for all practical purposes, two different forms of grappling and practicing one way exclusively doesn't teach you about the other way.
    What does this have to do with self defense? First, lets keep in mind that using fighting skills is only a small part of self defense. Self Defense includes applied psychology, morality, law, and fighting technique. And what fighting is relevant depends on the situation you are preparing for, such as the location, weather, time of day, etc. Sometimes, a situation is petter approximated by wearing a gi, and sometimes without a gi. Some places you wear heavy clothes such as a jacket because its colder, sometimes you wear thin and easily torn clothing. And even heavy clothing is not completely simulated by a gi. For example, A sweater does not have the lapels a gi does.
    To me, this looks like a false choice. Just have gi days and no gi days, sometimes you wear the gi, sometimes you were a t shirt, or sometimes you just go bare chested. It depends on what the self defense lesson is.

  • @josefwagner5710
    @josefwagner5710 День тому

    I’m a new white belt with a reoccurring rib injury. Anyone have any advice on what ways I could continue training without overdoing it? Cheers

  • @miniature_thor
    @miniature_thor 2 дні тому

    As a 5’5, 155lb blue belt, I do not like my odds against any untrained 200+ lb dude in a classic “bar fight” scenario. If he’s wearing a hoodie or I have long sleeves I would like those odds a little more. The more tools you have at your disposal to get an advantage, the better.

    • @duss9728
      @duss9728 День тому

      Nogi with muay thai & wrestling is better if you really care about odds.

  • @ryanrogers8211
    @ryanrogers8211 13 годин тому

    Well since we don’t walk around in society wearing a Gi it’s not applicable for real life situations. You’ll just tear a tshirt

  • @tomhoedt6467
    @tomhoedt6467 День тому

    Here is my analysis
    Winter: GI
    Summer: No GI

  • @JCBPARISPARIS
    @JCBPARISPARIS День тому

    In winter gi training wins but in summer no gi training wins 😅

  • @junichiroyamashita
    @junichiroyamashita День тому

    I would rather know how to grapple without clothes,tend to be much more useful in day-to-day basis.

  • @TomMack6466
    @TomMack6466 2 дні тому

    Which is a harder transition GI to no GI or the opposite ? Are both equally hard?

    • @dznArro
      @dznArro 2 дні тому

      No Gi is harder to transition to from GI compared to Gi going to No GI. Sure you can't do the same grips, but in No Gi it teaches you to be more explosive + strong whereas in Gi you can't be as lazy.

  • @alchapo5372
    @alchapo5372 2 дні тому

    I am a low down blue belt but I am in favor of no-gi. Tons of street altercations start with people taking off their shirts and puffing up their chest. Right there is an example of having no clothes to manipulate. Also violent crime rates sore in the summer, you know, when people arent wearing heavy jackets. If you can't beat someone without grips on clothes, you suck. Also learn your takedowns.

  • @unethicallemon67
    @unethicallemon67 9 годин тому

    Highly controversial topic 😂

  • @TheYouTubeMechanic
    @TheYouTubeMechanic 19 годин тому

    Spandex gives you plus 10 attack.

  • @FR-ty5vn
    @FR-ty5vn День тому

    Chewy knows best - definitely the way you train is most important - years ago, I would have said No Gi is best for MMA, but Gi is best for street (based on the clothes argument) - after years of training both now, I’d say No Gi is best for MMA, and Both Gi and No Gi together for the mean streetz - Disclaimer: just an old obsessed hobbyist brown belt…

  • @DezCP3
    @DezCP3 День тому

    Any BJJ school that has a coaches that fight in mma is superior for self defence.

  • @kevint4673
    @kevint4673 2 дні тому

    Train gi to know how to move and how you can be grabbed with clothes on. Train no gi to know how to control someone regardless of what they are wearing. Train rolling leg locks to surprise whoever is attacking you 😂

  • @WholeOtherLevelOutdoors
    @WholeOtherLevelOutdoors 2 дні тому

    👍

  • @tristanclaxton9329
    @tristanclaxton9329 День тому

    I say just you both we don't live in a world now where it's one or the other 99% of places offer offer both situations 3 days a week due to days in your favorite and one day and the other Jackie gribbs are Jackie cribs pans are pans noogie you still get the control and manipulation aspects of it and talk to your coach about once a week doing a self-defense oriented maybe they can adapt the lesson to self-defense specifically either way I believe that a lot of gyms now are two focused on points if I can control someone for the whole match in submit them who cares about advantages add point-based I got a guy in this submission and the coach got mad at me for not getting my points first winnings winning specialty in a self-defense situation

    • @tristanclaxton9329
      @tristanclaxton9329 День тому

      I'm kind of getting sick of the tribalism between GI and no GI wrestling catch folk Style in all other Arts take what you can from one and adapt it 2 your game pressure and leg attacks from catch grip brakes and defense from Kung Fu wrestling from half guard adapted from folkstyle wrestling watch a kids class to ask to help out better way to drill down on your fundamentals

  • @leebruno1722
    @leebruno1722 День тому

    Who the hell street fights anymore.. so crass

  • @johnleathem7354
    @johnleathem7354 2 дні тому

    Train both.

  • @Kent-2168
    @Kent-2168 2 дні тому +1

    Training your cardio is more important than what you’re wearing. If you can’t BREATHE, It doesn’t matter

  • @marcrivera4366
    @marcrivera4366 2 дні тому

    Train both

  • @DanLe-hi6wl
    @DanLe-hi6wl День тому

    Just do both 😂

  • @YourCoachKasgke
    @YourCoachKasgke 8 годин тому

    Train more one than the other if you aren’t a pro fighter and you prefer one style more , too much conversation about something so simple

  • @GMizza
    @GMizza 2 дні тому +2

    If you don't train against strikes, it's useless for self-defense.

  • @Shumier
    @Shumier 2 дні тому +2

    Surprise: do Gracie Jiujitsu with a GI. GJJ doesn't rely on grips, and the gi adds friction and hygiene.
    You'll get more technical while not relying on grips.

    • @prandz420
      @prandz420 2 дні тому +2

      Gracie jiu jitsu the way you think of it doesn’t exist

    • @Shumier
      @Shumier 2 дні тому

      I don't know where this was intending to go, but the statement seems simply untrue. 🤷
      There are plenty of schools that continue the original art.
      @prandz420

  • @DKAutoSalesHollywood
    @DKAutoSalesHollywood 2 дні тому +1

    Gi in winter no gi in summer

  • @naturalianoss
    @naturalianoss День тому

    Judo

  • @AJonVolk
    @AJonVolk 2 дні тому

    I love both Gi and No-Gi...BJJ is not a self-defence martial art, it can help but I would want to be striking and maintaining distance and mobility in a self-defence situation.

  • @Zhcwu
    @Zhcwu 2 дні тому

    had a couple police officers say the same thing, if you fighting a gang member, they are taking off their shirt to show the gang affiliation tattoos, you are not going to use a worm guard on them.

    • @richardgallagher4880
      @richardgallagher4880 День тому

      People keep focusing on the other guy wearing clothes.
      The last nakey cop I seen was at a stag do.

  • @richardgallagher4880
    @richardgallagher4880 2 дні тому

    I was in a fyght with 6 gentlemen on lokcdown. In a room. After i dropped a few they started grabbing my "gi".
    Thought i better get to more gi classes😂😂

  • @BasedGob
    @BasedGob 2 дні тому +2

    When you train gi, you’re training with lapel guards, lassos, and a bunch of other ridiculous sport techniques that have nothing to do with self defense or MMA. The entire sport is based around people wearing a very specific type of cloth jacket. Vs techniques that work regardless of the other person’s clothes in no gi.
    Gi is a sport, no gi is a subset of MMA.

    • @williambarton5681
      @williambarton5681 2 дні тому +1

      No gi is also a sport and also has techniques that won't work in a self defence situation. And plenty of gi techniques will transfer over into no gi and vice versa.

    • @dznArro
      @dznArro 2 дні тому

      correct me if I am wrong but do people not wear shirts, shorts, and pants? lol

    • @BasedGob
      @BasedGob 2 дні тому +1

      Again, gi is oriented around a bunch of ridiculous guard techniques that are completely dependent on a very specific type of cloth jacket. Lasso guard, spider guard, lapel guard. If you train gi, you are learning about those. And they have zero crossover to self defense. Whereas no gi techniques work regardless of what the person is wearing.

    • @williambarton5681
      @williambarton5681 2 дні тому

      @@BasedGob A good BJJ gym shouldn't force you to focus on any particular guard. Obviously you have to know how to deal with those open guards, but if you want to focus your game on getting top position through tight pressure passing for example, you can do so. That's Chewy's message in the video.
      Of course, your response will probably be, but why waste time on *any* elements that have no significance for a real fight? And Chewy's response in this video is that most of the BJJ "game", whether gi or no gi is of no relevance for self defence anyway, since an ordinary person isn't going to intelligently defend themselves in the same way that a BJJ practitioner would. So if all you care about is self defence, you may as well just train a few basic takedowns, sweeps and submissions and not worry about the BJJ meta or being able to handle yourself in a roll with a BJJ practitioner.

    • @tarettime9392
      @tarettime9392 День тому

      I haven’t been in a real self defense scenario where I suddenly got jumped but I was hanging out with my family and one of my brothers came up behind me while I was on my phone and put me in his best rear naked choke (he doesn’t train) he was wearing a hoodie with jeans and a belt. Getting out of the choke and then taking him down was wayyy closer to gi than no gi. It’s not just a jacket a lot of people wear hoodies and wear belts. I ended up submitting him by using the hood as the lapel in a cross collar choke. Gi translates very directly to real self defense if they have a hoodie or a belt on which isn’t exactly uncommon. And not everyone who trains gi focuses on lapel and lasso guards.

  • @Bradp7829
    @Bradp7829 2 дні тому

    The answer is either one, but the real answer is wrestling and some boxing

  • @abdeltube772
    @abdeltube772 День тому

    Useless video

  • @Martial-Mat
    @Martial-Mat 2 дні тому +1

    If the fight has gone to the ground in self defence, you've already failed. There could be other participants, or they could be physically much stronger than you. And what if they have a knife, or it's snowy, wet, rough?
    No gi is the only way to train. Assuming any particular clothing for your skills to work is ridiculous. Almost nobody wears jackets, and who starts a fight in a coat? Everything else is too stretchy to be useful.
    In a street fight, I'm not looking for control or submission, I'm looking for neutralisation; knockouts or breaks. Even evasion is simply a means to that end. If they are too powerful to fight, or there are other people involved, I'm looking for a rapid safe escape. I'm not fighting jujitsu on my feet.

    • @hariasokan6943
      @hariasokan6943 2 дні тому +1

      Depends on where you live about the clothing. Hoodies are popular and so many other non stretchy clothing. You should at least know basic grip breaking coz a lot of untrained people just death grip on coller. Striking is also significantly different when someone has a grip on your collar.

    • @richardgallagher4880
      @richardgallagher4880 2 дні тому

      How have I failed if someone snipers me?

    • @robcubed9557
      @robcubed9557 2 дні тому

      Gi training is great for the defensive aspect. Someone else already replied that grip breaking is a useful skill to have.
      Also if the other person is wearing a jacket or hoodie (winter time, colder climates), it's easy to get your fingers tangled in their clothing. Also it's also great to have the skills to know how to grab someone's clothes to manipulate them.

    • @KB-qy6sl
      @KB-qy6sl 2 дні тому +1

      Me grabbing the collar of my button down shirt in my subtropical home- yes, I could do a collar choke with this.

    • @Patrik-y5y
      @Patrik-y5y 2 дні тому +1

      Ha ha, you mean EVERYONE wears a thick jacket! (at least where I live, Stockholm)

  • @jokernabastard2828
    @jokernabastard2828 2 дні тому +1

    Both!

  • @slavicvolk
    @slavicvolk 5 годин тому

    Simple it’s both