West Germany v England 1972 European Championship Quarter Final 2nd Leg (Olympic Stadium Berlin)
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- England travel to Berlin to play West Germany in the 2nd Leg of The European Championship Quarter Final having lost the first leg at London"s Wembley Stadium 1-3 a fortnight earlier.. Attendance - 76200.. ENGLAND LINE UP - Banks / Hunter / McFarland / Hughes / Moore / Storey / Ball / Madeley / Bell / Marsh / Chivers.. (Subs used - Peters / Summerbee)
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I wasn't even born when this game was played, but I've always loved watching 1970s and early 80s football games. No idea what it is that makes it so special. Perhaps the rawness of it? Muck laden pitches, socks rolled down, grainy imagery and the crackle of David Coleman's telephone commentary. Today it's so polished, antiseptic and bland. Even the recent World Cup final, which will probably go down in history as a classic had a manufactured feel to it - no heart at all. Yep, some terrific players were involved and some of the goals were very good, but ask me in a few months who played centre back for Argentina and I couldn't tell you. Ask me who played centre back for Argentina in the '78 final and Daniel Passarella rolls from the tongue.
Como era bonito o futebol dos anos 70. Não troca por nada essas porcarias de hoje. Futebol paixão e arte sem nenhum patrocinador estampado nas camisas. Que saudades !!!
I agree....
Love those 1970s footballs with the black panels. Classic design. 👍🏻
They called the Telstar Balls
Yes, I believe the ball was thought up with Mexico 70 in mind!
It is the kits as well - nothing could be more simple than the German kit with its white and blue, yet it just looks so damn right and cool. No fancy ads or gimmicks, just raw and tough.
It's white and black
As a footie mad 10 year old at the time I fumed at Martin Chivers's lethargy. My dad said why don't England take shots on goal like "the foreigners". England didn’t score many goals at this time and were stuck in the past against such a brilliant team. Exposed over our technical deficiencies and lack of imagination and skill level. But at club level we won lots of European trophies. Very frustrating !!
Even the way England run with the ball looks old fashioned, like that sort of Stanley Matthews drop your left shoulder from the 1950s look.
The damage was done in the first leg, quite a few of the England players sadly are no longer with us. Bobby Moore, Gordon Banks, Paul Madeley, Emlyn Hughes, Alan Ball, Martin Peters and Norman Hunter. Great memories from Great players.
England was in decline as a national team. Holland came up, Germany already top and let’s not forget Poland.
@@ZAOUWV england were only a power in 66 . We never moved forward the rest of the world changed and england were stuck still basking in the glory of 66. Its never changed they still pick out of form players and any player with an ounce of creativity is overlooked. Give me a chance I'd turn them into world beaters
The great Dutch team 74 already lost Cruyff, Rensenbrink, Suurbier, Keizer , coach Michels
@@TheWelwyn21 What? England were by far the best team in the world for the first 100 years of the game from it's invention, and Germany couldn't beat England until the late 60's.
@@richardhumphrey2685 if we were that great how comes we couldn't win a world cup back then. Bloody Germany did against the greatest team in the world
Here you can see why Beckenbauer is called the Kaiser. He managed the whole German gameplay.
Brilliant post! This is the first time I've ever seen footage of this game, which after the lesson England were given at Wembley two weeks before was purely academic, especially given Ramsey's peculiar defensive tactics when we needed to win by two clear goals! Fantastic commentary by the legendary David Coleman, no "gorgeous passes" or "sublime moves" on his watch!
Delicious crosses ?
Or political propaganda.
Been waiting ages to watch this thank you so much.
Thanks for posting! The first leg was so much more exciting to watch as an 8 year old even though we lost. And great to see so many legends playing on both sides.
Brilliant. Thank you for posting.
Thanks ! Really 2 excellent teams and many great players !
Thanks for uploading these football gems, but we are more than happy to watch in the original aspect ratio of 4:3 rather than stretching them.
Surely there can be no doubt that Bobby Moore was the greatest ever English defender (and Captain).
Sadly, he's passed his peak here.
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One of the very few international matches in wich Gerd Müller did not score. So it is a historical document.
I do not remember this game i was 8 watching it made it plain to see how West Germany went on to win the 1974 world cup and England failed to qualify The German team looked superior in all departments was great to see some England legends there Banks Moore Ball and Peters to name a few and as a Leeds fan i have never seen the legend Norman Hunter playing in such an advanced position Great post thank you
Thank you so much❤❤❤❤.
Brilliant post, great to see these players again.
What a team that ' 72 W.Germany side was: they flattened England in the first leg and did the same to Russia in the final.
It was the last time England fielded many of her 1966 World Cup winning team in fact four of them for the 2nd leg of this Nations Cup quarterfinal tie at the Olympic Stadium in West Berlin which ended in a scoreless draw.Alan Ball came in as a substitute for Martin Peters and it was the last time that four 1966 World Cup winners,Banks,Moore,Peters and Ball featured for England.
Alan Ball played against Scotland in 1975!
@@thewomble1509 in fact that Home Championship match with Scotland at Wembley in 1975 was Alan Ball's last ever international appearence for England as he captained the Three Lions to a crushing 5-1 win.
In fact Ball was the last of the 1966 World Cup winning team ever to continue playing for England as Bobby Moore and Martin Peters didn't add further to their England caps.Moore had retired his England captaincy in 1973 whereas Peters had played his last England match with Scotland at Hampden Park the previous year.
Thanks for posting . It’s a great West German side with the Kaiser at the helm .
I knew the first leg so well I was always craving for footage from the Berlin match. Thank you so much for the effort
Was it not Munich
@@JohnDurkin-mh4wn No
12:03 I think this was the game where Gunter Netzer said afterwards: “The entire England team autographed my leg” 🤣
Indeed it was.
Germans take no prisoners either! Ball loved it having a go at the Jerries & complaining gently..
Quite true some of the England attempted tackles were frightening
@@seltaeb9691 The Germans never had kickers. Fightball has always been popular in the Anglosphere where it is seen as a metaphor for physical and moral qualities. Most peculiar.
Beckenbauer, Netzer and Müller, three German greats.
... and Sepp Maier makes it four
I didn’t once hear David obsess about either managers’ tactical nous or the system in which his team is set for as opposed to the modern day near constant discussions during games( & over the previous 25 years of commentaries ) I recalled correctly how they simply described individual play as it happened, perhaps the players’ reactions or merits & refs’ decisions- & you watched it & made up your own mind rather than the progress of a game being akin to gridiron or chess ! Is this because we’re all so much more systematic than before ? Thanks for this brilliant quality presentation ( compared to much from Mexico 70) 😁👍
Perhaps you never grasped the meaning of "commentator"?
Anyone can simply describe actions, but then everyone can see themselves what is happening!
A quality commentator needs to do far more than just inform the viewer about who is kicking the ball to whom!
A football commentator needs to analyse what is happening and that is something that Coleman was never any good at, including his coverage of athletics.
Kenneth Wolstenholme, even with his shortcomings, was a much better commentator.
Amazing the amount of sprinting Rodney Marsh does in those first couple of minutes :)
😂
thank you friend
Good night. Watched and pleased. Thank you so much. Of course like from me. Country Azerbaijan
What a find! I was at the first leg at Wembley as an 8 year old. As others have said some great players and some physical ones…. Storey & Hunter in midfield! But unlike the last 30 odd years lacked a world class striker in Lineker- Shearer- Rooney- Kane mould.
Many thanks for this.
Largely academic after the way they were beaten in the first leg but such a negative line up. Storey and Hunter in midfield in a game they had to win makes no sense. The final ignominy of taking off your best attacker when you need a few goals says everything. It reeks of surrender.
Sadly Germany appeared light years ahead here in terms of coaching, team work, being comfortable in possession and technical ability. England look ragged in comparison reduced at times to the long ball but if England had come on the back of a different result at Wembley who knows?
The 72 quarter final defeat at Wembley rocked England's confidence. But rather than respond to that challenge and push on Sir Alf retreated into some sort of negative shell. There was no the difference in class between the teams this points to. England were largely unlucky in the first leg but this seemed to propagate some serious naval gazing.
I don't think England ever really recovered from that. That initial defeat badly affected the team and Sir Alf who should have been replaced by like Clough at this point. The fact that the FA said no was the start of England's years in the wilderness.
Well Said.
I was born in 1973 so this was before me but i have tried studying the period..let me challenge you..What would Clough have done with England specifically that other managers in this period failed to do?..I think he should have got the job with his supporting staff in 1977 and England would have mounted a serious bid for the 1982 WC..but how would he have played this England, what formation or players might he have gone with in the early to mid 1970s?
@@kailashpatel1706 it's an interesting question.
What Clough and Peter Taylor (they were really a team) would probably have done is tear up the rule book of the 70's.
Football is tribal and the England team no different. Football is dominated by the press particularly the north west which is either Man U or Liverpool. Back in those days the cry to feature players from those teams was enormous. People making those shouts had little care for the actual football or the team.
Clough and Taylor had a unique skill of taking often unfashionable players regarded as over the hill and building successful teams from them.
It would have caused huge problems for those with vested interests in certain players - like leaving Beckham or Kane out of the team.
To build a team is very different to just a group of individuals and Clough was v good at building teams. His team would have been interesting but his philosophy at odds with the FA / media consensus of the day because his philosophy would have put the team first regardless of who he upset or left out.
Football in those days was more entertaining and less tactical than now.It was played at a more faster pace with end to end attacks.I personally think it was more exciting.
@@duckjive1 Agreed 100%.
@@duckjive1 mind you it was modern then. The 1970s rock n roll & flares. I was in the army, short hair & now a short back & sides is the fashion. 50 years too late for me!
You're taking the piss. Faster pace?! . None of these players could survive in the modern game. Just not fit enough or technically skilled enough.
@@ianrix2857 Very true! Even the great Franz Beckenbauer stated in a German TV interview some years ago, that the style of play and the pace of play in the 1960s and 1970s could never survive in today's ultra fast paced technical game. And yes, the fitness aspect is also an important point.
@@ianrix2857 if you take one of these old Champions, and build him like modern players (training, fitness, diet) he would dominate the field. He would have the body and stamina of today and the class/skill nowadays players can only dream of.
That was the best German team, 3 absolutely solid gold great players all at their peak Beckenbauer,Muller and Netzer. By '74 Netzer was replaced by the more solid (and less difficult to manage) Overath. Shame, Netzer should have racked up a 100 caps.
Overath was my favorite. A great player. He was the master of the midfield. The engine of the whole team. With G. Muller at the front ....it was a pleasure to see how they played. He should have been the captain of the team.
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BikeLover, I agree
...and don`t forget the underrated Heinz Flohe.
@@tag1343 I think he lost the captaincy due to an injury (to the best of my recollection) which cost him to lose his spot to Netzer ( and captaincy to Beckenbauer) before Euro 72. And once the Germans won Euro 72, Helmet Schoen saw no reason to strip Beckenbauer From captaincy and return the arm band to Overath.
Sadly after this 8 years before England played in a major competition, and a generation on brilliant England players didn't get a chance , unlike Scotland who played two world cups in that period
That was a very good German team !
Former world champions vs future world champions
Probably the best German team ever, playing total football. The draw was enough to qualify.
C' est la meilleure équipe allemande de l' histoire.
Ils avaient un immense directeur de jeu : Netzer (lui ou muller auraient dû avoir le ballon
d'or en 72, il était basé sur le championnat d' Europe*, pas Beckenbauer).
*Cruyff avait tout gagné avec l' Ajax cette année.
Is it just me or were these the golden days of football great post
GRACIAS
1972 Germany was the best team in the world .
German football dominated major tournaments in the late 60s to early 1970s
Storey and Hunter in Midfield !
Did not think that Marsh,Chivers and Osgood were never really given a fair chance at International level. Later Stan Bowles and Worthington were similar.
True, but not sure they would have made England world beaters. The next generation of flair players (Hoddle, John Barnes, Waddle, Gascogne etc) all got over 50 caps - still didn’t win anything.
Danke für die Einstellung dieses Spieles ! Ich war 1972 als deutscher Schüler in GB. Gordon Banks, Martin Peters und Sir Geoff Hurst habe ich damals noch live spielen sehen ( Okt. 72 Spurs vs Stoke 4:3)
I remember both games well, the west German side were class and did the job at Wembley. Great team and the England side had a few stars too, maybe rebuilding slightly by 72 but loved the match, it brought back some memories.
Yes quite agree West Germany had done the job at Wembley in spectacular style
The 2nd leg was about closing England down one of the great things about Germany is they’re masters at been pragmatic which is a lesser known quality and only great sides have these qualities in abundance
Proud to be a staunch Germany fan!
Marsh was carrying a bit of timber as he lumbered around up front.
looked way off the pace.
Rodney Marsh commented in a sarcastic manner in regard to a comment by Alf Ramsey (I'm not sure what game it was) Ramsey said " Marsh if you do not perform well in the first half, I will have you off at half time" and Rodney Marsh responded " bloody hell boss I was expecting a cup of tea" !!!
West Germany were the better team. England were still slightly reeling from the WC Q-F defeat 2 years earlier as their hold over beating West Germany in matches had come to an end. They realised Germany had taken over the mantle. 3 years later England would beat the World Champions at Wembley in a friendly but the Germans continued to be at the top of world football until the late 90s with consistent results in tournaments for around 50 years.
Great post, many thanks. Not that I am a Germany fan, but I would love to see extended Eng commentary highlights of their Euro 72 win v the Soviet Union if you have it please? Barry Davies commentated for the BBC.
I think Alf had held on to Moore peters hurst a year too long
Del Bosque, Spain manager made the same mistake: Relying on great players past accomplishments, rather than their current form. He used Casillas who was on the bench in his own club Real Madrid (he was used only in CL games as a starter), and Xavi who at age 34 was clearly passed his peak, and he paid the price. No disrespect to great Bobby Moore, but in 2 crucial games against W. Germany and Poland, Moore's mistakes cost 4 goals against those 2 teams, and yet Ramsey had said to Moore he wanted him to be England's captain in 1974 World Cup!!!! To be fair to Bobby Moore, his replacement in the return game against Poland (Norman Hunter) made the same mistake Bobby did in the 1-st leg. England was simply out of great players at that time, and after defeats against Brazil, and W. Germany in 1970 World Cup which England had a decent chance to win both games, the decline had begone.
Best part of this is there is literally no time wasting. Just pure flow. Now I need to find me some Afri Cola!
I think Ramsey had already accepted defeat in the tie and wanted to keep it respectable by not losing in Germany.
Great video ....i seem to remember Malcolm Alisson being interviewed before the game [,think it was pissing with rain] ,that he thought England would still go through ,or did i dream that ? lol
Creó que este es,el partido de vuelta,de los,cuartos de final de la Eurocopa del 1972,y para mí la mejor selecion,de la R.F.Alemana,que acabaría ganando,dicha edición, por avasallamiento.
Real legends in this game. Just need some Toby Charles on the mike and its perfect.
"It's in the back of the net!"
Yeah Great Stuff Mate , pity England got out thought at Wembley , with Gerd Muĺler finishing us off , Who Else .
The germans look so cool with football to match,different level to England and their always cautious approach to the game ,hence zilch since 1966 all games played at wembley!
C'est sans doutes la meilleure équipe d'Allemagne de tous les temps . Elle sera d'ailleurs championne du monde deux ans après en 1974 .
That was a really good West Germany team, but so we’re we. Bobby Moore superb. Shame we had Emlyn right foot Hughes at left back and Norman Hunter in the team.
That was surely the greatest Germany team there's ever been and they were right at their peak in the '72 European Championship - they flattened England in the first leg at Wembley and did the same to Russia in the final.
@@martydav9475 Yes they could hit the Soviets for 7.
dont think its made it onto these highlights but this was the game Chivers tried to head one in from about 2 yards with the ball about 2 feet off the floor
@@duckjive1 Yeah , Big Thanks dk1 , never seen more than two minutes previously of this much anticipated game ,Wùnderbar mate .
A running track around the pitch, a crackly commentary - how football should be 😉
@@duckjive1 Wunderbar!
used to love those black and white footballs.
Is it just me or was football better when the commentary was in that squeaky low compression from another planet sound! :)
Not for me crowd to far away from pitch
Great commentary tho
@@iainmacdonald5907 sympathy for losing away when they were so so far away
Lovely
"It wasn't a retreat from Berlin,"says England's supremo Sir Alf Ramsey as England forced a useless 0-0 draw at the Olympic Stadium.No doubt it was a face saving draw for the visitors but the fact is England were out of the European Championship but the West Germans went on to win the Cup a few weeks later.
When you have Gordon Banks, Peter Shilton is sitting on the bench.
German football was the ruler of the world and Europe when it was still reinforced by Beckenbauer and his friends
No they werent. Brazil until 1973 was..
@@vja1970 Germany ruled the 70s, Germany won the euro and world cup in 72 and 74. Whilst bayern won 3 European cups in a row and winning the intercontinental cup.
@@vja1970 Brazil were 'gone' by '72.
@@gunternetzer9621 No they weren't. By all accounts Brazil were still world class till 73. Then lost their way until 82-86. Brazil has an annoying habit of peaking the year before World Cups.. think 1997,2005, 2017, even 2021. They look like World beaters , go into World Cups as favourites , become over confident then fall apart when the real thing starts. The 1997 team would wipe the floor with ANY team in history, including classic Brazil teams of yore. They scored for fun.
As for Germany ruling the 70s, Ajax and Holland might wanna have word with that...
@@vja1970 They were half the team in' 72 that they had been in Mexico. I quantify that as 'gone.'
Rodney marsh played well, not given enough caps
First thoughts were that the pitch was like playing on a wet cow pasture. So many passes lost on the ball nearly stopping! Glad that the 70's carnage of First Division football was left back at the league.
@@duckjive1 It's a non contact sport nowadays.
Players defended with less cleats in the ankles and just stood ground, also fouls were called with much less contact than today. Its incredible the tackles refs allow now without a foul.
The Wembley first leg was the first time I ever saw England play West Germany. Ah well it was good preparation for any budding fan lol
England played really well in this game I vividly remember
Why is not refered the result ?Hows that possible!!! What was the result in this match? Its so difficult to say it?
A fascinating match but rather depressing if you are an England fan. Ramsey was a great manager, but I don't understand his thinking here. Why would you play both Hunter and Storey in midfield when you need goals to go forward in the tournament and Martin Peters is available? David Miller called this match "appallingly negative" and one is tempted to agree. (Netzer said afterwards that half the England team had autographed his leg.) It's interesting to see Flohe strip the ball from Moore in the first half and Ball nearly lose his cool in the second, both ominous forecasts of what would happen in Katowice. England were better in the second half, and you have to wonder how much better still they could have been if Summerbee and Peters had started the match. Germany were a great side then, and it is lovely to watch them play. Their buildup is beautiful and they hit accurate, controlled passes even when under heavy pressure. Ramsey gets criticized for staying with his '66 men too long, but it should be noted that Schoen used three of his own '66 team in this match, Hottges, Held, and of course Beckenbauer.
With a two goal deficit England travelled to Berlin for the 2nd leg of the Nations Cup quarter final to face West Germany on 13 May 1972 at the Olympic Stadium.
Two weeks earlier West Germany had stunned England 3-1 at Wembley.Not many even the die hard English fans would place their bets on England overhauling a two goal deficit but then England's supremo Sir Alf Ramsey had opted strangely for a defensive strategy instead of gambling for an all out offensive in Berlin by selecting Peter Storey and Norman Hunter.
No doubt it worked as Gunther Netzer was effectively bottled up but then the visitors were fighting a lost cause.With the Germans having a two goal advantage,it was England who had to score.But they didn't and all that was in the end was a face saving draw for Sir Alf's team which ended scoreless.So England were out of contention in the Nations Cup.
I think l remember this match ….was it Gunter Netzer….a great name well fora goalie ….
I remember when Jack Charlton had retired from playing and was a pundit for the BBC. Asked what he would do about Beckenbauer. He replied "I'd put a man on him to rattle him a bit." "Rattling him a bit" would have been one of Jack's euphemisms. It might have been a useful tactic though.
Something about the German teams of the 70s and the analouge link up telephone.
Love that commentary crackle. It got "fixed" in the mid 80s. International games no longer have the mystique they once had.
If England had any other team in the quarter final, the team of Sir Alf Ramsey would undoubtedly have qualified in the semifinal and played a final game with West Germany in Brussels. In my opinion, England, not USSR that was literally smashed by West Germany, deserved better to be playing in the 1972 final. By the way, two weeks later on a new Olympic stadium in Minich, West Germany crashed the Soviets 4-1 and then in the 1972 Euro final 3-0.
Well, that is a problem that still excists. 12 European teams are still able to qualify for the next world cup. And the two best teams that are trying to qualify are the current European champion Italy and Portugal with super star Ronaldo. And both of them would and should qualify. But unfortunately they are both in the same group. So we either will miss the European champion in Qatar or Ronaldo. Very sad.
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great match to upload...i watched for `10 minutes and noticed whenever the ball near penalty areas, then the action jump to few minutes later, all goal mouth actions are lost
@@duckjive1 sorry to hear this. I only read about this match and saw some pic. Really grateful for your upload. Thank you so much. I read that Madaley got close with a header, Marsh just failed to tap in during a melee and a West Germany freekick that hit the bar. Thanks again
indeed.... same thought here
Another excellent find thank you very much, Do you have the first leg from Wembley?
It's on you tube
www.bing.com/videos/search?q=england+v+west+gerany+1972&docid=608051950197214877&mid=3898EA6EFB1FB10162353898EA6EFB1FB1016235&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
@@gunternetzer9621 I was looking for a version with the BBC Commentary, but thanks for the update.
Crazy cuts
jesus, 1970s soccer was just standing around and shoving the ball back and forth. it's so much faster and athletic today
This game was killed by England's tactics - watch the 1972 European Championship final for a better representation of the best of 70's football.
Lost that first game in my opinion down to Alf not playing Alan Mullery to Mark netzer, but Germany did play well I admit
Alan Ball is magic
England played well I remember it well, but the damage had been done at Wembley
Back then when there were countries called England and Germany......
I taught Gunther Netzer’s nephew English in a school near Duesseldorf
I guess Overath and Vogts were injured for both games
Why was it played in Berlin (East Germany)?
Backenbeaur was everywhere on the pitch
am I missing something?
Why second leg?
Interesting and nostalgic to see a few remaining WC winners playing alongside the considerably weaker next generation who failed to qualify for the WC in 74 and 78.
And the European Championship Finals in 1976!.
It’s not quite as bad as it looks. Poland finished third in 74 after eliminating England, rather fortunately . The Czechs won Euro 76 after knocking out England on Goal difference. Italy finished 4th in 78, again , after knocking England out on Goal difference.
@@jackthegamer4019 What are you talking about ... I will tell you what I am talking about, England did not qualify and they did! my issue is with England not other national teams.
@@merseydave1 They had a tough draw in all 3 tournaments is all I’m saying.
@@jackthegamer4019 the teams that qualified were tough!
1 - 3 down from the first leg ... in this game the west germans just played in second gear!.
Ecco, questo è il Calcio: come l'hanno sognato i suoi inventori.
Abbiamo aggiunto qualcosa nei quarantanove anni seguenti?
What for me is interesting about this match and indeed football matches around the same period is simply looking at the demographic of the teams playing. The England squad going to Euro 2024 has players with heritage outside the United Kingdom. It is the same with Germany with players from a Turkish or African heritage. Practically all the squads going to Euro 2024 are now multi-heritage - a reflection of how Europe has changed in the last half century.
One might ponder whether there is any underlying motive behind your comment about the "heritage" of players. Do/did you say the same about the heritage of national contestants in many other sports? Why would it matter?
Were you saying the same about Real Madrid in the 50s and 60s?
@@padraigohooligan8363 I am just making the observation that the demographic profile in Europe has changed
in the last 50 years. Football and sport in general reflects this. I'm part of this demographic change.
I am UK born and raised of Black Caribbean heritage. Now I live in the Netherlands and have done so for years.
Esse otimo time alemao a seguir em 1974 se tornaria campeao mundial de futebol .
Great to see 1 to 11 on back of shirts! Not like today's crap.
As good as he allegedly was, Beckenbauer was never challenged: watch closely in ANY game he plays. Like Pirlo much later, he strolls around picking simple little passes, looking great, unruffled, nice clean kit - all while none of the opposition close him down. Too much respect? Put him under pressure, again like Pirlo, and you would see a different player and outcome. Considering Hunter and Storey were ankle biters, they never get close to Beckenbauer in this game, just to show him they were around.
Your comment is one of the most objective ones I've read. Beckenbauer no doubt was a great player. But I give the most credit to his greatness when he was playing in midfield in W. Cups 1966 and 70. As a Libero, he was the last player (beside the keeper) in his half, and it makes your job much easier to deliver accurate (mostly simple ones as you rightly pointed out) when nobody puts pressure on you. I read about Stefan Kovacs (Ajax manager in 1972 and 73) and his tactic for the game against Bayern: He had asked Cruyff to challenge Beckenbauer in order to disrupt Bayern's game plan that was built on Beckenbauer orchestrating Bayern's build up from the back, and it worked; Ajax won 4-0. To be honest I have watched that game entirely and don't remember that to be the case. Kovacs was a FIFA advisor in 1974 World Cup, and after watching the 1-st half of the final, he wanted to go to the Dutch dressing room and advise Rinus Michel or Cruyff to use the same tactic. But then he thought as a FIFA official, he had to be neutral, so he changed his mind and didn't go. Whether that tactic would have worked out or not, we don't know. In the same game, there is a scene when Cruyff is one on one against Beckenbauer and makes Beckenbauer to turn right and left as he has no clue what Cruyff is going to do, but instead of deciding to dribble Beckenbauer and score a potential goal, Cruyff decided to pass the ball to Rep which Meyer saved his poor shot. Rep has said thereafter, at one point he mentioned that scene and said Cruyff was afraid or cautious (can't remember the exact word) of Beckenbauer, and that is why he decided not to dribble him but pass the ball to Rep. According to Rep, after that comment, Cruyff who used to send him New Year or Christmas card every year, refused to do it any longer!!! I assume a combination of "too much respect for Beckenbauer" and being a "team player" as Cruyff always was, made him to play that way. But a brilliant player such as Cruyff should never have doubted his ability to dribble any player; he had great acceleration and since he had the ball, he had the upper hand to decide what to do. If I was him, I would have welcomed the opportunity to challenge such a great player like Beckenbauer and take my chance to pass by him and likely to score a goal in a World Cup final.
@@13muller9The Kaiser was too clever and had too great a positional sense to have put under pressure especially by cloggers like Hunter and Storey. Don Revie asked Kevin Keegan push up on him in the friendly at Wembley in 1975 but in his autobiography Keegan said he couldn't get near him - Beckenbauer had an almost sixth sense to step out of the way with the ball.
The reason Bayern lost that match against Ajax was because Sepp Maier had a bad game and the reason Cruyff passed to Rep in the World Cup final was because Beckenbauer didn't dive in on him but ran back in line with Cruyff, jockeying him and preventing him from getting in a clear shot, so Cruyff did the correct thing and passed to the unmarked man but Rep didn't have the skill to score.
You don't appreciate great players. Beckenbauer was not allegedly but definitely a truly great player always storming up with real class (when a midfielder in 1966) and even at sweeper when it was 'on' (watch the 1972 European Championship final) and one of the few modern players who could bear comparison with the greats of the 50's. He was too good and had too great a positional sense to be upset by cloggers like Hunter and Storey pressurising him, which is why they couldn't.
@@gunternetzer9621 All your points are valid, but I have a slightly different opinion: You might be right that Maier had a bad game, but I don't remember him committing any blunder; two great headers by Haan and Cruyff could have beaten any keeper. Overall, Ajax of 1971-73 was one head and shoulder above any other team. I remember in a friendly before that 4-0 game (probably a pre season game), Ajax beat Bayern 5-2 or 5-3, and If you watch the 2-nd leg, you will notice in absence of Cruyff due to injury, Bayern barely wins 2-1. As for the pass to Rep, yes Beckenbauer didn't dive in, but so did Berti Voghts in the 1-st minute of the game and yet Cruyff easily passed by him until he was brought down by Hoiness inside the penalty box. The reason Beckenbauer didn't dive in (if he ever had intention of doing so), was because when Cruyff got the ball, Beckenbauer was the only German player between Cruyff and Maier; so it was defending 101 and he had no other choice. Any clever defender in that level would certainly have done the same thing. But Cruyff having the ball on his feet had the upper hand, Arjen Robben is a faster player than Cruff, but on many occasions in similar situations he created just a little space enough to score without dribbling and passing by any defender. The one that comes to my mind is Robben scoring against England in a friendly when Holland was wearing all black kit. Rep being a poor finisher to some degree and missing so many chances, but on this occasion, credit goes to Maier who by reading the game, rushed forward, closed the angle and made it harder for Rep to score; similar to what Ubaldo Fillol the Argentine keeper did against Rensenbrink in1978 final, but at least Rensenbrink hit the post!! Any way, thanks for your civilized and educated response.
@@13muller9 Thank you too. I was a great fan of Beckenbauer as you can see, and I hate it when people criticise him for not being pressurised rather than celebrating all the positive parts of his game. He made the odd mistake as all players do and I would agree that he was probably wasted as a sweeper but even then I loved seeing him storming forward from the back e.g. for the first goal in the European Championship final that year. Cruyff could have been intimidated by him in a way he wasn't by Vogts in the World Cup final.
Too bad England lost to Germany in 1970. If England had passed, I think they could have beaten Brazil in the final.
In the group match, England played very well against Brazil and lost 1 to 0. The lesson had been learned by the English for a possible revenge in the final.
I believe England in 1970 was even stronger than England in 1966.
Despite everything, the Brazil of 1970 is for me the best team of all time.
Bad luck that the great Gordon Banks didn't play at León. Peter Bonetti was not fit for such a game. While they were playing at León I was in Estadio Azteca watching the Uruguay-URSS match.
@@JuanRodriguez-ug2rc Yes, you’re absolutely right for Banks !
That England team had too many players who were nowhere near top international standard - Marsh, Chivers, Storey, Hunter, Madeley, McFarland, Bell, etc.
Some of the players looked overweight , slow and underfit, and their technical limitations, with a few exceptions, were underwhelming.
It amazes me to watch these older matches. They just show how much faster and intense the matches are now compared to then.
Are you mad
It was much quicker then 🏴
What people forget is that the groups were like death then, we went out to the eventual winners, and again in 76 against Czechs, who we d beaten 3/0 at Wembley, I hate it when people knock our seventies players , we had great players who would walk into today’s England team, we had no luck at all
People always knock seventies it sickens me, we had wonderful players, currie bell Bowles brooking Keegan Hudson osgood chivers channon Clarke worthington etc
Tony curries better now! Than Rice
Mr Coleman's commentary is magic. Please upload the BBC coverage from first leg.
Is it me or does David Coleman mention Beckenbauer's name almost every 20 seconds?! Seems that way. He was very good, but he's like a one man team in this game.
The unavailability of Terry Cooper through injury really blunted England attack on the left flank. Emlyn Hughes was not a natural left back to be honest.
Ramsay really should have been given the boot after this match which showed the difference in tactical nous between him and Schoen. Needing at least a 2-0 victory he played Storey and Hunter in midfield whereas the Germans expecting an onslaught from England stiffened their midfield by bringing in Heinz Flohe and moved Uli Hoeness to outside right, so it didn't affect their attacking play.
@@gunternetzer9621 Yes it should have been Hunter at left back while Story and Colin Bell in midfield.
@@gunternetzer9621 I don't know. He's doing a sort of reverse psychology, playing 3 centrebacks in an early sweeper system. England did have a lot of the play.
I always notice when England wear Red they play better
2nd leg? There was no tournament?
The European Championship final tournament in those days only comprised 4 teams and four games - 2 semi-finals, final and third-play play off. The quarter finals were played off home and away.