Loved the interview. Seriously though, if these 2 squeaky clean perfect mormons can leave the church, ANYONE can. This gives me hope that people will continue to leave. Even the most mormon of the mormons.
The internet has been a very helpful tool in getting knowledge in people’s hands. It’s both helping get people out of cults as well as into cults, unfortunately.
You can see that tons of genuine Mormons go out and investigate their doctrine and history. Then they find out it's all bunk, which makes them leave, I can't imagine how difficult it is to leave the LDS when it's all you know. My hat is off to people like Tanner.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 New International Version (NIV) 5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten. 6 Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun. My knowldge increased when I was aware of this..my study began..
+Ashley Gleason Either you are woefully misinformed, or you know the truth and are purposefully asking a misleading question. Either way, the premise of your question is false. The LDS church does not insist that its members not research their history.
Xtian C. ...I totally agree. Their desperate and convoluted apologies are a laugh riot.They know the whole religion is a scam but they are stuck with it. I hope they feel good when they tithe and give their hard earned money to a transparent hoax. lol.
If you had a prospective guy who you like but says, “whatever you do, don’t google me. There are anti-me on the web, and just don’t believe a single person who says one word bad about me. Even if they have known me for years, and are actually related to me.” That would be a HUGE red flag.
Im 16 almost 17 and ive grown up Mormon. I don't believe in the church anymore for the same reasons he mentioned. I hate that i didn't know about all the history growing up. I feel like it was hidden away from me and that wrong.
*avayamms* If you've "grown up" Mormon, how do you get by and get this far without hearing of it? Are issues never brought up? Glazed over? A different narrative given to you as the truth? Have you not run into "anti" Mormon people that would have called your faith into question...like street preachers, those people who go to Manti to witness? Have you had no access to the internet, because obviously you're on it now. Please explain how *TRUTH* can escape you your entire life, *ESPECIALLY* that you've "grown up" a Mormon. Thx.
@@Kman. severe whitewashing, deception, gaslighting, and obscurantism. You grow up not hearing about it for years and decades. And if you happen to read about some of these things on a limited scale, they wouldn't faze you much. I read "anti-mormon" material accidentally when I was pre-teen and it didn't mean much to me at the time. I only meaningfully found out the issues with the Church last year 2019 after decades of being in the Church.
Awww, tanner is so cute 😂. Just finished their update vid. I’m glad I watch that one first and then travel back in time to see how much change has occurred. These two have grown up into some very impressive adults. Real thinkers..I’m inspired to get smarter 😂🍻
This is so friggin true. The rules at byui drove me crazy for my three years of studying there, and I followed the stupid rules all the way up until my last year when they cut my major unannounced. It's a weird unique environment and it really can only be experienced there.
Wow, wow, wow! I love the section titles! This must be the work of Carah. I remember listening to this a long time ago. So nice to go back and see deeply into that mega length interview and be able to find the nuggets I'm looking for. Yah Carah!
OK, that's awesome! It's 7:20 in the morning on a Saturday and the MoSto crew noticed my comment. Do they ever sleep? Cool! So are you guys going back to section up the entire catalogue? I hope so because it makes me want to go back and re-explore it all.
I wish I could have found out when I was young like you that the church isn't true. I got my shocks in middle age. If the internet had been around when I was young, you can bet I would have left the church.
it's amazing what the internet has done for our lives. I think of all the old faithful Mormons that I used to know. If they had lived in this time, the intelligent ones (and I knew many) would have left the Church. Many would have embraced another form of Christianity, but I can understand why some in bitter disillusionment would have abandoned religion.
+Klarity*11 Had my mother been made aware of the historical facts she would never have joined , I was bitterly disillusioned and my spiritual beliefs are in transition at this point not sure on the outcome at this moment in time...
+Klarity*11 Had my mother been made aware of the historical facts she would never have joined , I was bitterly disillusioned and my spiritual beliefs are in transition at this point not sure on the outcome at this moment in time...
I served at the same time as Tanner and yes it was crazy how many kids got baptized by the elders and me as a sister went after the men. We would get “fame” in the mission for lost baptism and even more “fame” if you baptized a man.
I have to say I agree about the whole mission thing. It was about numbers, lessons, baptisms, etc etc. I got zero baptisms and I was happy because i did not guilt people but gave them agency to listen or not. It is totally different.
My mission president was all about numbers as well. Not just for baptisms, but of the missionaries as well. They encouraged us to go out even if we were sick. The day that I found out my grandma had passed, I was in the house crying (p-day) and the assistants called because they had found out and instead of trying to comfort, they told me that my president and God would want me to go out and work anyways. As a convert of only about a year and a half at the time, I remember thinking, “this is all I was that whole time?” It was like peeling back the curtain in the wizard of oz. I never felt less cared about in my life than as a missionary.
John Lee stfu! Like seriously why are you so hateful? Either you are delusional or a big troll. And yes everyone is worth caring for Cos everyone was saved by Jesus Christ and we all deserve to be cared for.
I was annoyed by the way certain members in leadership roles who had treated new members in the church with contempt and derision. Also, I had started to question the book of Mormon too. Some of the pretentious members presumed that all new members had a sordid disgusting lifetsyle. I had no addictions at all. Except that I enjoyed drinking coffee and a can of Pepsi now and then. They all had this sanctimonious attitude towards single adult members who unemployed or earned a low income too.
That's what I disliked most. At school there was always the mormon table and this insincere love for others. There were great people, but a lot of people don't get it.
WideTubeVision4 oh my gosh Yass and then those snobby asss girls who have grown up in the church and would have their own click at church activities while the newer concert would be excluded
@letsstartadialogueeh7692 yes! The disingenuous mormon kids at school. I was in the same ward as them but I wasn't Molly mormon enough to be included. They were rather rude.
My roommate and I did the math and assuming it takes about 50 seconds per baptism (in and out, fumbling to find hand grips, prayer, dunk) it would take about 159.54 years to baptize 1 billion people assuming you never stopped.
+M Jones Still haven't answered my question. What is the superior truth you have discovered. If Mormonism is a false cult, what is the correct, superior truth you have found?
IDK, I had professor there that gave us a take-home mid-term test with strict rules about timing and breaks etc, who later emailed the entire class that "I know some of you cheated" and that he will tell everyone's bishops. I call that an abuse of an "honor code"
You kids and your internet. When I was young and curious, I had to make up my own anti Mormon doctrine. And if you wanted to get excommunicated, there was no namby pamby silliness like with John Dehlin. You had to have unmarried sex, or kill somebody. When I was a Priest, if you stuttered while blessing the sacrament, you started over from the very beginning and not just from the last sentence. I once witnessed a fellow Priest have a nervous breakdown after the sixth time starting over on the prayer. You kids today don't know how good you got it.
+Dan Hildreth Nope We do not baptize dead people it's all lie what gave you that idea? Joseph Smith only has one wife and was sealed to her only! These are all fabrications, your point of Jesus and Satan being brothers is crazy talk we LDS do not teach this nor believe it! That would be anti Christ talk!
Maren Jenson Me too, I remember this clearly. We were told it was too important to mess up, as it had to be perfect. And one of the priests had a stuttering problem. For some reason, they thought it was a good idea to have him bless the sacrament often. Then again, there were only a few young men 12-18 in that branch. I swear, people don't realize that this brand of "attaining perfection" does indeed cause massive mental health problems and actual nervous breakdowns for people. As it's impossible to be perfect, but the bar is so high that for some, it causes very real problems when they can't attain it. And often it's over ridiculous stuff that shouldn't matter, not actual sins. Other times, it's over things you cannot choose, like with LGBT people. For them, often, leaving the church becomes the only viable option when it comes to mental health. Moreso for trans people than gay, but it still applies nonetheless, as even being celibate, you're an outsider. You're not like everyone else, and constantly struggle with just wanting to live your life. The struggle is very real, and rarely discussed *within* the culture. It's always "pray and have faith," "follow the commandments," etc but none of that will fix many of these issues. Issues that shouldn't even be issues.
Byu Idaho sounds like a nightmare. Who the hell has a curfew when they're in college. That's bullshit. It would be a nightmare to try to date a girl if you are going to that school no thanks.
Despite how strong societal beliefs and biases were in olden times God would always have had the eternal knowledge and perspective to know as well as we know now that skin color is about as relevant a personal trait as hair or eye color, so why would white skin have EVER been a requirement to be eligible to attend the Mormon temple or be ordained to the priesthood? (Hint: It NEVER would have been. NOT EVER.)
What is your purpose in baptism. In the Christian tradition that is a serious committment to Christ and there must be descipleship and learning that follows the baptism.
How do you get that far along in being a Mormon w/o having heard about blacks and the priesthood, the polygamy and such with Joseph Smith and other damning issues? I mean, the guy by his own admission was *BATHED* in Mormon teachings his entire upbringing, yet these things didn't come to light till he was in *COLLEGE* ? Especially in the age in which we live w/technology. Do most Mormons take what is spoon fed to them as the sole truth and they never even desire to learn things independently?
It was a lot more hidden in the nineties. When the internet became better and more widespread, the church was forced to open up and make a lot of excuses as all their dirty laundry suddenly caught up. Plus, that's not exactly the kind of thing people like to talk about. In seminary they teach you to seek truth from "divine sources" -- if it's antimormon its untruthful and motivated by SATAN, so he probably didn't feel comfortable looking at outside sources.
It’s a cult, they are super good at hiding things. They tell you if you read, watch, listen to things critical of the church you’re inviting satin into your life.
@@Kman. I know, I know. But if you see something critical about the Church you are taught that if you consume that content you’re inviting Satin into your life. True story, when I was nine I went to a sleep over with some older girls in the neighborhood, they weren’t members of the church and wanted to watch a scary, R rated movie - I knew I shouldn’t but I so wanted to fit in with these older cool kids that I went along with it. A few days later my baby brother, who was 8 months old, got very sick from spinal meningitis & almost died. I spent years thinking that it was my fault for watching the movie. That I had invited Satin & evil into my life and almost got my brother killed. The Church really mess with your head.
@@jacksonthedoggy I don't doubt you for a moment, and those SAME things happen with those leaving OTHER cults/cultish churches that mask themselves as Christian.
How does one know and trust that ALL 27 books of the New Testament are God's Written Word, and that no books have been left out the are (out of 200+ early Christian writings) ?
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OK; thanks for the clarification. It is located in northern Arizona and a yellow pages of there, under churches, will reveal that most of the are LDS churches. but, I understand what you mean. Perhaps it is near there that is is so and not in the middle of town itself.
My testimony part two I began searching for a Church which taught we are saved by Christ's grace through faith and where saving faith is a verb not a noun nor a one time event. I continued reading and studying my scriptures. In John the Bible proclaims " in the beginning was the word" ; the Bible also testifies " there is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism, " . All of these Christian Churches teaching opposing interpretations could not all be correct nor true. It is a factual impossibility . Christ said " I am the way, the truth , and the life" . I was 28 and working as a salesman. I visited hundreds of homes biweekly selling food. A few of the families began to stand out to me. They demonstrated the fruits of righteousness, of following Christ. No drinking alcohol, no smoking, purity until marriage, education was stressed ,no cussing nor inappropriate movies , keeping the Lord's day Holy, tithing, strong families built on love and Christ's teachings. Finally, I asked each family ,one after the other what there secret was? Each of them were Mormon families. Impossible, I thought ! I was taught by Catholics and Baptists the Mormon Church was a cult ! How could a cult demonstrate the fruits of righteousness? It didn't make sense. I like to study religions so asked how I could learn more about there faith and Church? They were excited to say the least. They set me up with a couple of their Missionaries . In our first meeting they taught me about Joseph Smith and his first vision where he saw Jesus Christ standing on the right hand of His Father. Two separate personages . Jesus was in the express image of His Father as Hebrews declares. To my surprise I had no problem with what they were teaching . I felt at peace. After all Stephan ,when he was being stoned ,looked up and saw Jesus standing on the right hand of the power on high. Moses spoke to the Lord face to face as a man speaks to a friend. Jesus said he would be on the right hand of the Father in eternity. The Bible declares God is the same yesterday, today, and forever and God is not the author of confusion. This vision was brought about by Joseph Smith reading in the Bible from James 1 vs 5 " if any of you lack wisdom let him ask of God who giveth to all men liberally and upbraideth not but let him ask in faith and it shall be given him." Ask God directly, having faith in Christ , amazing! God keeps His promises!! Right! Then it happened . The Elders said they were glad I was soaking up what they were teaching but I needed to gain a Spirit born testimony . Simply deciding the LDS Church was true was not enough . They showed me in the back of the Book of Mormon a similar promise from God as was-in James. It said to study the Book of Mormon and then ask Heavenly Father , having faith in Christ , with real intent , if the words of the book are true and through the power of the Holy Spirit I would know it was true directly from God. They said I could know the truth of all things through the Holy Spirit. The Bible proclaims this and so does the Book of Mormon. I could know all of the Churches teachings were true using God's system. I had never been taught in the Catholic nor the Baptist Churches I could take their interpretations directly to God and through the power of the Holy Ghost I would know they were true. In fact I was taught an objective process instead of a subjective process. I was determined to place my faith directly in Heavenly Father , having faith in Christ. I was about half way through the Book of Mormon when God answered my sincere prayers. I had been fasting and praying with real intent . All of the sudden my soul was filled with the most divine feeling of God's love and God did brand His truth on my heart. God's presence poured down upon me and was within me. As Jeremiah described ,the word of the God was as fire in my bones. I knew the Book of Mormon was true . I knew Joseph Smith was a Prophet . I knew the LDS Church was true. As sure as Moses's experience with the burning bush and the great I AM . I knew and will always know. The Holy Ghost testified to me with power and love. I have since come across another scripture in the Bible commanding us to go directly to God for our testimonies. Isaiah 8 vs 19-20 Should not a people go to their God ? For the living to the dead ? To the law and the testimony ? If they teach not this it is because there is no light in them. Brothers and sisters I testify to you " the LDS Church is true, the Book of Mormon is God's word as is the Bible; as long as it is interpreted correctly, Joseph Smith was a Prophet called of God and Christ Church is led by a Prophet today, I testify marriage can be forever as families can be forever, procreation can be forever. God did not command you get married and be fruitful and multiply to take this most wonderful blessing from you at death. God hates divorce . Why would He divorce everyone? I testify Heavenly Father lives and loves you ! Jesus is the Christ! He lives and loves you ! They promise to answer your sincere prayer . "Saved by grace through faith " I leave my testimony with you in the name of Jesus Christ ! Amen The Wilder family and most of the other x Mormon's simply never had the humility nor faith to gain a Spirit born testimony of the LDS Church nor of the Book of Mormon. They , like many other Mormon's who grow up in the LDS Church ,assume they have a Spirit born testimony without ever fasting and praying and gaining one. They never really understood Christ's atonement and continue not to understand it to this day. "We are saved by Christ's grace through faith" . We do our best to keep God's commandments all of the time and draw closer to Him through our obedience and Christ saves us all the while as we seek to live after the Spirit and not the flesh. Christ did not suffer so horribly to change God's commandments into mere nice ideas we can pick and choose from. Our relationship with Christ has everything to do with what we do for Him and what He does for us as we walk hand in hand. God's commandments are His plan for our happiness . Fast and pray and you can know this is true through the Spirit of truth. You can know the truth of all things through His Spirit of truth. The Spirit testifies with love and power. You will know , not merely believe. Love y'all !!!
People leave churches all the time. For everyone that leaves, another one joins and the cycles goes on. I doubt it is losing the millennial generation, but it is losing some millennials.
What I want to know is where you find God after you leave the false doctrine (cult)? There are many fine things about being Mormon... Christian churches don't have the family emphasis, activities, outreach to the needy, political activism, aggressive teaching of the Bible, etc. So how do ex-Mormons fill the void?
Dawn Katz That. is an EXCELLENT question.. I haven't been in the LDS church for years.. And I had MANY friends that weren't Mormon. But some people I know who have left, literally sit at home sad on Sundays missing their culture, even if they don't miss their religion.
There are good Christian churches but you have to find the right church for you. Some are too big and it's harder to connect. Some are too small and you'll find there are some people who don't want to connect and just want to be fed the word then get out. One would have to "shop" churches to find a home where they can find that connection. I think a person's nature is to be loved and connection is a huge part of that. The LDS church is notorious for that and it is a beautiful thing but as good as that is, a false gospel doesn't get you to God in heaven for eternity. I've heard some people are never near other people and when they go to church, they get a hug from a brother or sister and that's the only connection they get. It's a sad but true fact. We try our best to focus on groups meeting together to do life together, families with children so they grow knowing who their savior Jesus Christ truly is, youth activities so kids can bond & learn to trust each other and any other kinds of connection. I'm personally meeting with the guys (mostly from church) at a gun range to connect and in two weeks grilling with families from church. That's my family. I have my family, my church family and work family. I, like our church, focus on that connection. That love for one another as commanded. Which is not hard to do when you are filled with The Holy Spirit.
None of this has anything to do with gospel of Jesus Christ. You dont become a christian because you want to or parents want you to... John 1:13 NASBS who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
I've only followed Zelph on the shelf for 2 years now, and seeing Tanner this clean-cut is weird!!! LOL
Loved the interview. Seriously though, if these 2 squeaky clean perfect mormons can leave the church, ANYONE can.
This gives me hope that people will continue to leave. Even the most mormon of the mormons.
+Mark Hansen These two are completely overboard. They should be gone. They have no sense of reality at all.
+Mark Hansen Says the guy that is as weird and gay as the guy in the video.
@@johnlee1352 i was super Mormon and i left.
The internet has been a very helpful tool in getting knowledge in people’s hands. It’s both helping get people out of cults as well as into cults, unfortunately.
You can see that tons of genuine Mormons go out and investigate their doctrine and history. Then they find out it's all bunk, which makes them leave, I can't imagine how difficult it is to leave the LDS when it's all you know. My hat is off to people like Tanner.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 New International Version (NIV)
5 For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even their name is forgotten.
6 Their love, their hate
and their jealousy have long since vanished;
never again will they have a part
in anything that happens under the sun.
My knowldge increased when I was aware of this..my study began..
Why does the LDS church insist that its members not research their history?
+Ashley Gleason Either you are woefully misinformed, or you know the truth and are purposefully asking a misleading question. Either way, the premise of your question is false. The LDS church does not insist that its members not research their history.
+SMHEZ
No, they don't insist they command you don't research anywhere but LDS.ORG propaganda.
John Lee
Take your meds johnny.
John Lee
LOL. Yup I hear you have to come off that crap gradually or go postal.
John Lee
We still love to bird hunt and have two great German Shorthair Pointers to hunt over.
Tanner has much better ex-mo hair now.
I liked his hair long.
Delightful. Watching from Australia. I absolutely love Mormon Stories. Great work John!
I was totally a buzzkill to my MTC group too. I took the commandment of no “loud laughter” too seriously.
“How did you infect Sammantha, and she in turn infect you?” 🤣
I love all the mormon apologists in the comments. Thanks for the laughs.
Xtian C. Lol yup. Not good ones, either. Then again who is? Can't defend the indefensible.
They are just brain washed. Feel sorry for them they are in a cult
Xtian C. ...I totally agree. Their desperate and convoluted apologies are a laugh riot.They know the whole religion is a scam but they are stuck with it. I hope they feel good when they tithe and give their hard earned money to a transparent hoax. lol.
Yo have you guys been in their cult? You don't know what you're talking about but I know your heart seems to be full of hate. Very nice 😊
If you had a prospective guy who you like but says, “whatever you do, don’t google me. There are anti-me on the web, and just don’t believe a single person who says one word bad about me. Even if they have known me for years, and are actually related to me.” That would be a HUGE red flag.
Im 16 almost 17 and ive grown up Mormon. I don't believe in the church anymore for the same reasons he mentioned. I hate that i didn't know about all the history growing up. I feel like it was hidden away from me and that wrong.
*avayamms* If you've "grown up" Mormon, how do you get by and get this far without hearing of it? Are issues never brought up? Glazed over? A different narrative given to you as the truth? Have you not run into "anti" Mormon people that would have called your faith into question...like street preachers, those people who go to Manti to witness? Have you had no access to the internet, because obviously you're on it now. Please explain how *TRUTH* can escape you your entire life, *ESPECIALLY* that you've "grown up" a Mormon. Thx.
How are you doing a year later?
@@Kman. severe whitewashing, deception, gaslighting, and obscurantism. You grow up not hearing about it for years and decades. And if you happen to read about some of these things on a limited scale, they wouldn't faze you much. I read "anti-mormon" material accidentally when I was pre-teen and it didn't mean much to me at the time. I only meaningfully found out the issues with the Church last year 2019 after decades of being in the Church.
Hope you’re doing well now
Awww, tanner is so cute 😂. Just finished their update vid. I’m glad I watch that one first and then travel back in time to see how much change has occurred. These two have grown up into some very impressive adults. Real thinkers..I’m inspired to get smarter 😂🍻
can't believe this was almost 8 years ago, and they are still making great content
This is so friggin true. The rules at byui drove me crazy for my three years of studying there, and I followed the stupid rules all the way up until my last year when they cut my major unannounced. It's a weird unique environment and it really can only be experienced there.
Wow, wow, wow! I love the section titles! This must be the work of Carah. I remember listening to this a long time ago. So nice to go back and see deeply into that mega length interview and be able to find the nuggets I'm looking for. Yah Carah!
OK, that's awesome! It's 7:20 in the morning on a Saturday and the MoSto crew noticed my comment. Do they ever sleep? Cool!
So are you guys going back to section up the entire catalogue? I hope so because it makes me want to go back and re-explore it all.
I wish I could have found out when I was young like you that the church isn't true. I got my shocks in middle age. If the internet had been around when I was young, you can bet I would have left the church.
Same here, had I known would have left during my twenties, instead of forty three. ..
it's amazing what the internet has done for our lives. I think of all the old faithful Mormons that I used to know. If they had lived in this time, the intelligent ones (and I knew many) would have left the Church. Many would have embraced another form of Christianity, but I can understand why some in bitter disillusionment would have abandoned religion.
+Klarity*11 Had my mother been made aware of the historical facts she would never have joined , I was bitterly disillusioned and my spiritual beliefs are in transition at this point not sure on the outcome at this moment in time...
+Klarity*11 Had my mother been made aware of the historical facts she would never have joined , I was bitterly disillusioned and my spiritual beliefs are in transition at this point not sure on the outcome at this moment in time...
I still have a very deep faith in Jesus Christ, but I do not (yet) have a church.
I served at the same time as Tanner and yes it was crazy how many kids got baptized by the elders and me as a sister went after the men. We would get “fame” in the mission for lost baptism and even more “fame” if you baptized a man.
Faith crisis starts at 50:00
Thx
I was at 42:27 and was getting so stressed/almost needed to pause and take a break. Thanks for this!
Tanner looks really familiar. he looks like he could've been one of the "poster boys" on banners throughout campus when I went there. maybe he was???
He looks like 5 guys in my ward lol
I have to say I agree about the whole mission thing. It was about numbers, lessons, baptisms, etc etc. I got zero baptisms and I was happy because i did not guilt people but gave them agency to listen or not. It is totally different.
Been watching John Dehlin's and Zelph on the Shelf's content for the past year after meeting some local Mormons. Love to you all. x
You guys are insightful, thoughtful and super cute. Haha! Also: How much you have evolved since 2015.
My left ear really enjoyed this.
at least one of your ears enjoyed it, I didn't get any sound at all 😏
My mission president was all about numbers as well. Not just for baptisms, but of the missionaries as well. They encouraged us to go out even if we were sick. The day that I found out my grandma had passed, I was in the house crying (p-day) and the assistants called because they had found out and instead of trying to comfort, they told me that my president and God would want me to go out and work anyways. As a convert of only about a year and a half at the time, I remember thinking, “this is all I was that whole time?” It was like peeling back the curtain in the wizard of oz. I never felt less cared about in my life than as a missionary.
John Lee stfu! Like seriously why are you so hateful? Either you are delusional or a big troll. And yes everyone is worth caring for Cos everyone was saved by Jesus Christ and we all deserve to be cared for.
Sad all these kids wasted their college years at BYU
Did they not get an education??
BYU is actually a really good school. You just have to put up with stupid people who attend it...which is true of EVERY school
I think it’s a sanitized education. I have a BA from there and feel it wasn’t enough.
The used to teach that dinosaurs came from another planet! Their science is a bit off. Plus the idea that men get their own planet is also a bit off.
@@tracydoverspike5255 Just a bit. Mostly correct, just a tiny bit off xD
I’m 3 minutes in and Samantha looks so pissed to be there lol!
I was annoyed by the way certain members in leadership roles who had treated new members in the church with contempt and derision. Also, I had started to question the book of Mormon too. Some of the pretentious members presumed that all new members had a sordid disgusting lifetsyle. I had no addictions at all. Except that I enjoyed drinking coffee and a can of Pepsi now and then. They all had this sanctimonious attitude towards single adult members who unemployed or earned a low income too.
That's what I disliked most. At school there was always the mormon table and this insincere love for others. There were great people, but a lot of people don't get it.
Amen! It was like we might have cooties that would taint future children.
WideTubeVision4 oh my gosh Yass and then those snobby asss girls who have grown up in the church and would have their own click at church activities while the newer concert would be excluded
@letsstartadialogueeh7692 yes! The disingenuous mormon kids at school. I was in the same ward as them but I wasn't Molly mormon enough to be included. They were rather rude.
My roommate and I did the math and assuming it takes about 50 seconds per baptism (in and out, fumbling to find hand grips, prayer, dunk) it would take about 159.54 years to baptize 1 billion people assuming you never stopped.
These fresh faced little wonders, it’s incredible to see how far they’ve come on their journeys since this.
I have so many similarities to these two as a missionary and at byui.
Thank you for sharing!
Maybe at the end when I'm bearing my testimony😂😂😂😂
omg I am leavingg
Where you at 2 years later?
Doesn't it feel so much better!
I'm soooooo glad you guys made it out. This video stressed me so much.
You two are free! Remember also, the truth is your friend.
+M Jones What is the superior truth you have found over Mormonism?
Truth over deception.
+M Jones Still haven't answered my question. What is the superior truth you have discovered. If Mormonism is a false cult, what is the correct, superior truth you have found?
Steve Young Do you expect me to attempt to Reason with someone who cant Reason?
+M Jones Try me. I am open to what you have to say.
My experience is that people in the church presented with church history really don't care about it and make excuses about Joseph Smith behavior.
Tanner and Sam look like babies 😍 tanners hair though 😇😂
YESSSSssssssss........1st.
please understand, this is all I have.
looooool.
+John Booker Haha, easy vid though, try getting first on a more competitive video.
EricSmyth14 YEAAAAaaaaaa !!!!! .....thanks man, you've helped me find a goal. I'M OFF
John Booker
LOL... You are so weird dude. (Not in a bad way)
EricSmyth14 your reply was sent at 4:20? really Sir?,really? lol
All religious discussion aside, you're a handsome dude
Can anyone tell me what is happening to Generation Z? Someone on one forum I read says that 1000's are leaving. Is this true?
That's hilarious that no one knew Dan Jones, I love it 😂
I'm a member and I just learned who Dan Jones is. haha
The honor code sounds insane
IDK, I had professor there that gave us a take-home mid-term test with strict rules about timing and breaks etc, who later emailed the entire class that "I know some of you cheated" and that he will tell everyone's bishops. I call that an abuse of an "honor code"
Man, that guy in the blue shirt is so optimistic and happy, wish I could have that.
well, feel free to leave your own cult and denounce its disgusting ways and perhaps you could
I didn't know Norman Bates was a Mormon. I kid. I kid.
Ted Bundy was a Mormon.
he sings so well
Okay, the podcast audio works. So - download the podcast, play in a separate tab, mute the UA-cam video, and try to hit play at exactly the same time.
I really love you guys🖤🖤
You kids and your internet. When I was young and curious, I had to make up my own anti Mormon doctrine. And if you wanted to get excommunicated, there was no namby pamby silliness like with John Dehlin. You had to have unmarried sex, or kill somebody. When I was a Priest, if you stuttered while blessing the sacrament, you started over from the very beginning and not just from the last sentence. I once witnessed a fellow Priest have a nervous breakdown after the sixth time starting over on the prayer. You kids today don't know how good you got it.
+Dan Hildreth Nope We do not baptize dead people it's all lie what gave you that idea? Joseph Smith only has one wife and was sealed to her only! These are all fabrications, your point of Jesus and Satan being brothers is crazy talk we LDS do not teach this nor believe it! That would be anti Christ talk!
Dan when I was a member of the church, they always made the priests start over even if they stuttered.
Maren Jenson Me too, I remember this clearly. We were told it was too important to mess up, as it had to be perfect. And one of the priests had a stuttering problem. For some reason, they thought it was a good idea to have him bless the sacrament often. Then again, there were only a few young men 12-18 in that branch.
I swear, people don't realize that this brand of "attaining perfection" does indeed cause massive mental health problems and actual nervous breakdowns for people. As it's impossible to be perfect, but the bar is so high that for some, it causes very real problems when they can't attain it.
And often it's over ridiculous stuff that shouldn't matter, not actual sins. Other times, it's over things you cannot choose, like with LGBT people. For them, often, leaving the church becomes the only viable option when it comes to mental health. Moreso for trans people than gay, but it still applies nonetheless, as even being celibate, you're an outsider. You're not like everyone else, and constantly struggle with just wanting to live your life.
The struggle is very real, and rarely discussed *within* the culture. It's always "pray and have faith," "follow the commandments," etc but none of that will fix many of these issues. Issues that shouldn't even be issues.
4:45 after watching Zelph on the Shelfs newer more recent content, this part was hard to hear.💔💕
lds church in my hometown lost most of the member
just like me, I listen to hymns, I feel overwhelming!
Aghh I can't stand the sound only coming out of the speaker on my left ear!
Byu Idaho sounds like a nightmare. Who the hell has a curfew when they're in college. That's bullshit. It would be a nightmare to try to date a girl if you are going to that school no thanks.
Bruh it's a private school. That can happen. They want college to be about education.
I had a completely different experience at BYUI. I’m still living in Rexburg and it’s still such a different experience.
Also went to byui. Was not a good place for me mentally.
Saudi Arabia of Mormonism. Lol.
Whoa! Tanner my squeaky clean Mo.
any day now he'll be able to sit on his hair
The stuff he’s saying about missions is true. Priestcraft the max for a church who wrote preach my gospel and wants the Holy Ghost to convert.
Audio balance is unlistenable on headphones.
This reminds me of that zoo pals infomercial
Archaeology does show ancient sophisticated building were made during/ around the times that take place in the book of mormon
And? People lived on earth at that time. Why does this make the Book of Mormon true?
"I'm taller than Tanner... " Lol
audio left channel only is terrible... would be best to recast just balance the two channels mono
BYU sounds just like Islam with clerics issuing fatwas. Not enough people compare the cultures of those religions.
They’re all but babes!! 😭🖤 I’m an atheist, born and raised, but I just love these three 👏🏼🎉
THis kids looks so Mormonish, but sounds like a good person. The girls didn't get much time to talk, did she?
We went to college together and he was an amazing person
I still want that Elmo painting
he is really joyful!
The sound track isn't working.
I'm like 90% sure she was in my ward at the I. Small world
Despite how strong societal beliefs and biases were in olden times God would always have had the eternal knowledge and perspective to know as well as we know now that skin color is about as relevant a personal trait as hair or eye color, so why would white skin have EVER been a requirement to be eligible to attend the Mormon temple or be ordained to the priesthood? (Hint: It NEVER would have been. NOT EVER.)
You need to put the link in the description. Just a thought...
Flagstaff represent!
why is there no sound?? is it just me all the other videos are working
Samantha is funny and cool. And john and tanner.
The stereo isn’t working,
Tanner and I went to college together
this guy look so sweet!
Your audio is mono not stereo
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For an interesting proposed translation of the Caractors document a free copy can be accessed at www.bookofmormoncaractorstranslation.com
When you teach that the Bible is not fully true and cast doubt. What are Mormons to do that leave the true church once they find out it’s false?
A hippie went to Salt Lake and got LSD confused with LDS. He went on a mission instead of a trip!
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the left side guy looks cool!
That is the whitest guy on earth, lol. Joseph Smith married Dan Jones’ wife too.
What is your purpose in baptism. In the Christian tradition that is a serious committment to Christ and there must be descipleship and learning that follows the baptism.
How do you get that far along in being a Mormon w/o having heard about blacks and the priesthood, the polygamy and such with Joseph Smith and other damning issues? I mean, the guy by his own admission was *BATHED* in Mormon teachings his entire upbringing, yet these things didn't come to light till he was in *COLLEGE* ? Especially in the age in which we live w/technology. Do most Mormons take what is spoon fed to them as the sole truth and they never even desire to learn things independently?
It was a lot more hidden in the nineties. When the internet became better and more widespread, the church was forced to open up and make a lot of excuses as all their dirty laundry suddenly caught up. Plus, that's not exactly the kind of thing people like to talk about. In seminary they teach you to seek truth from "divine sources" -- if it's antimormon its untruthful and motivated by SATAN, so he probably didn't feel comfortable looking at outside sources.
It’s a cult, they are super good at hiding things. They tell you if you read, watch, listen to things critical of the church you’re inviting satin into your life.
@@jacksonthedoggy Bbb-uuut, the *INTERNET.*
@@Kman. I know, I know. But if you see something critical about the Church you are taught that if you consume that content you’re inviting Satin into your life. True story, when I was nine I went to a sleep over with some older girls in the neighborhood, they weren’t members of the church and wanted to watch a scary, R rated movie - I knew I shouldn’t but I so wanted to fit in with these older cool kids that I went along with it. A few days later my baby brother, who was 8 months old, got very sick from spinal meningitis & almost died. I spent years thinking that it was my fault for watching the movie. That I had invited Satin & evil into my life and almost got my brother killed. The Church really mess with your head.
@@jacksonthedoggy I don't doubt you for a moment, and those SAME things happen with those leaving OTHER cults/cultish churches that mask themselves as Christian.
Tell us your background, pro-Mormon or ex-Mormon?
Barely on 7:31 and already feel sad.
How does one know and trust that ALL 27 books of the New Testament are God's Written Word, and that no books have been left out the are (out of 200+ early Christian writings) ?
TruthHasSpoken how does one ever believe in a god a mass murders his own children condones human sacrifice and rape of prisoners of War which was a war of aggression to start off with reading Numbers chapter 31 read the Edge of Reason by Thomas Paine find it on sacred texts.....for free......
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what a minute, as far as I know, Flafstaff, AZ is a Mormon town. So, why is this young man saying that they were a minority there?
OK; thanks for the clarification. It is located in northern Arizona and a yellow pages of there, under churches, will reveal that most of the are LDS churches. but, I understand what you mean. Perhaps it is near there that is is so and not in the middle of town itself.
Pedro Rodriguez I don't think Flagstaff is.. wealthier place.. More libs.. Less Mormons. I LOVE Flagstaff. I wish I could afford to live there.!
King Follet did it for me
Mormon Stories? What about Brainwashed Tales.
Thank you...
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Thanks...
All religious nuts are brainwashed.
My testimony part two
I began searching for a Church which taught we are saved by Christ's grace through faith and where saving faith is a verb not a noun nor a one time event. I continued reading and studying my scriptures. In John the Bible proclaims " in the beginning was the word" ; the Bible also testifies " there is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism, " . All of these Christian Churches teaching opposing interpretations could not all be correct nor true. It is a factual impossibility . Christ said " I am the way, the truth , and the life" .
I was 28 and working as a salesman. I visited hundreds of homes biweekly selling food. A few of the families began to stand out to me. They demonstrated the fruits of righteousness, of following Christ. No drinking alcohol, no smoking, purity until marriage, education was stressed ,no cussing nor inappropriate movies , keeping the Lord's day Holy, tithing, strong families built on love and Christ's teachings. Finally, I asked each family ,one after the other what there secret was? Each of them were Mormon families.
Impossible, I thought ! I was taught by Catholics and Baptists the Mormon Church was a cult ! How could a cult demonstrate the fruits of righteousness? It didn't make sense. I like to study religions so asked how I could learn more about there faith and Church? They were excited to say the least. They set me up with a couple of their Missionaries . In our first meeting they taught me about Joseph Smith and his first vision where he saw Jesus Christ standing on the right hand of His Father. Two separate personages . Jesus was in the express image of His Father as Hebrews declares. To my surprise I had no problem with what they were teaching . I felt at peace. After all Stephan ,when he was being stoned ,looked up and saw Jesus standing on the right hand of the power on high. Moses spoke to the Lord face to face as a man speaks to a friend. Jesus said he would be on the right hand of the Father in eternity. The Bible declares God is the same yesterday, today, and forever and God is not the author of confusion. This vision was brought about by Joseph Smith reading in the Bible from James 1 vs 5 " if any of you lack wisdom let him ask of God who giveth to all men liberally and upbraideth not but let him ask in faith and it shall be given him." Ask God directly, having faith in Christ , amazing!
God keeps His promises!! Right!
Then it happened . The Elders said they were glad I was soaking up what they were teaching but I needed to gain a Spirit born testimony . Simply deciding the LDS Church was true was not enough . They showed me in the back of the Book of Mormon a similar promise from God as was-in James. It said to study the Book of Mormon and then ask Heavenly Father , having faith in Christ , with real intent , if the words of the book are true and through the power of the Holy Spirit I would know it was true directly from God. They said I could know the truth of all things through the Holy Spirit. The Bible proclaims this and so does the Book of Mormon. I could know all of the Churches teachings were true using God's system.
I had never been taught in the Catholic nor the Baptist Churches I could take their interpretations directly to God and through the power of the Holy Ghost I would know they were true. In fact I was taught an objective process instead of a subjective process.
I was determined to place my faith directly in Heavenly Father , having faith in Christ. I was about half way through the Book of Mormon when God answered my sincere prayers. I had been fasting and praying with real intent . All of the sudden my soul was filled with the most divine feeling of God's love and God did brand His truth on my heart. God's presence poured down upon me and was within me. As Jeremiah described ,the word of the God was as fire in my bones. I knew the Book of Mormon was true . I knew Joseph Smith was a Prophet . I knew the LDS Church was true. As sure as Moses's experience with the burning bush and the great I AM . I knew and will always know. The Holy Ghost testified to me with power and love.
I have since come across another scripture in the Bible commanding us to go directly to God for our testimonies.
Isaiah 8 vs 19-20
Should not a people go to their God ? For the living to the dead ? To the law and the testimony ?
If they teach not this it is because there is no light in them.
Brothers and sisters I testify to you " the LDS Church is true, the Book of Mormon is God's word as is the Bible; as long as it is interpreted correctly, Joseph Smith was a Prophet called of God and Christ Church is led by a Prophet today, I testify marriage can be forever as families can be forever, procreation can be forever. God did not command you get married and be fruitful and multiply to take this most wonderful blessing from you at death. God hates divorce . Why would He divorce everyone?
I testify Heavenly Father lives and loves you ! Jesus is the Christ! He lives and loves you ! They promise to answer your sincere prayer . "Saved by grace through faith " I leave my testimony with you in the name of Jesus Christ ! Amen
The Wilder family and most of the other x Mormon's simply never had the humility nor faith to gain a Spirit born testimony of the LDS Church nor of the Book of Mormon. They , like many other Mormon's who grow up in the LDS Church ,assume they have a Spirit born testimony without ever fasting and praying and gaining one. They never really understood Christ's atonement and continue not to understand it to this day. "We are saved by Christ's grace through faith" .
We do our best to keep God's commandments all of the time and draw closer to Him through our obedience and Christ saves us all the while as we seek to live after the Spirit and not the flesh. Christ did not suffer so horribly to change God's commandments into mere nice ideas we can pick and choose from. Our relationship with Christ has everything to do with what we do for Him and what He does for us as we walk hand in hand. God's commandments are His plan for our happiness . Fast and pray and you can know this is true through the Spirit of truth. You can know the truth of all things through His Spirit of truth. The Spirit testifies with love and power. You will know , not merely believe. Love y'all !!!
People leave churches all the time. For everyone that leaves, another one joins and the cycles goes on. I doubt it is losing the millennial generation, but it is losing some millennials.
armchairjudge the ones that think for themselves leave.
Mormons - Multiple wives but no beer
I dont have a religion so i can have multiple wives + beer . I won
What I want to know is where you find God after you leave the false doctrine (cult)? There are many fine things about being Mormon... Christian churches don't have the family emphasis, activities, outreach to the needy, political activism, aggressive teaching of the Bible, etc. So how do ex-Mormons fill the void?
Dawn Katz That. is an EXCELLENT question.. I haven't been in the LDS church for years.. And I had MANY friends that weren't Mormon. But some people I know who have left, literally sit at home sad on Sundays missing their culture, even if they don't miss their religion.
There are good Christian churches but you have to find the right church for you. Some are too big and it's harder to connect. Some are too small and you'll find there are some people who don't want to connect and just want to be fed the word then get out. One would have to "shop" churches to find a home where they can find that connection.
I think a person's nature is to be loved and connection is a huge part of that. The LDS church is notorious for that and it is a beautiful thing but as good as that is, a false gospel doesn't get you to God in heaven for eternity.
I've heard some people are never near other people and when they go to church, they get a hug from a brother or sister and that's the only connection they get. It's a sad but true fact. We try our best to focus on groups meeting together to do life together, families with children so they grow knowing who their savior Jesus Christ truly is, youth activities so kids can bond & learn to trust each other and any other kinds of connection. I'm personally meeting with the guys (mostly from church) at a gun range to connect and in two weeks grilling with families from church. That's my family.
I have my family, my church family and work family. I, like our church, focus on that connection. That love for one another as commanded. Which is not hard to do when you are filled with The Holy Spirit.
people are tired of bishops asking personal sex questions and being forced to pay tithes for salvation
stanley maestas this is not true
@@carolhull8803 fine by me if thats what u think
sitting too close together
Hi
None of this has anything to do with gospel of Jesus Christ. You dont become a christian because you want to or parents want you to...
John 1:13 NASBS
who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.