False. Study hum@n tr@fficking. These women are forced to sin daily. They are forced to steal people's identities. They are even forced to open up credit cards under those identities. Misty said herself, "I did whatever he wanted." She was severely psychologically and emotionally abused. She needs trauma therapy and our prayers, not judgement.
False. Please study hum@n tr@fficking. She said, "I did whatever he wanted." Misty has been severely psychologically and emotionally abused. She needs our prayers, not judgment.
@@joanntaylor4675Yet ME knew they existed and saw them. She looked them in their face and was deceptive. She not only was fornicating, but she lied continuously, and interjected herself into a marriage to cause pain to another woman and children. She became a tool for Satan just like MB was.
As a backslider who was restored many years ago and then had some major trips until God gave me the victory-and He always will-I get it. I get loving God with all of my heart only to fall into temptation because you haven't yet learned the wiles of the enemy, the power of sin, how we can rationalize things....and how to live in power over that sin. I get it! It's easy to show mercy when I have received so much. Blessed are the poor in spirit, and He is very near to us when our sin breaks the hard hearted pride so present in us-until we see who we really are apart from God. But our journey is towards His image in us and that we must pursue.
Right on spot.. 💯🎯 Beautifully said.. 🥰 In the middle of your mess, when you fail to withstand in temptation.. When there's only explanation but no excuse.. And only Yeshua is the one who says, "Come.. come to me and confess.. your willingness to be honest in front of me is the first step in the right direction.. Approach me with a humble heart, even broken because of what you committed.. I will not send you away from my presence.. you can stay close to me.. I'm not surprised.. I knew what would happen beforehand.. I've prepared forgiveness beforehand.. ever to be available for you.. so don't run from me after failure.. bring it to me in exchange for my mercy.. if you want to receive this, come before my throne and bow with a repentent heart whilst you hand over your transgressions to me.. accept and receive my forgiveness willingly.. there's nothing else you can do about it.. I have the authority to perform this exchange because I paid the highest price ever being paid.. I did this because you matter to me.." That's my King.. 👑 Grace is His thing.. ❤️🩹
False. They're all victims. Study hum@n tr@fficking. Misty said herself, "I did whatever he wanted." She was severely psychologically and emotionally abused. She needs trauma therapy and our prayers, not judgement.
@@PeacefulWarrior000 also his wife is still supprting him, she literally got up and preached his messege directly after he was told not to speak to the congregation. The wife is a victim but much more willing and needs to be held accountable.
@@Syx33sylph Are you talking about Mike Bickle's wife? I know his sister preached, but Diane rarely speaks, so I don't know that it was her. I'm not sure who you're referring to though.
The temptation on either extreme will be to look for this everywhere in the Church or nowhere... May God grant wisdom and grace and healing and holiness and balance.
What happened? I was just looking up a song that I haven't heard in a while and I'm finding this?? What in the world has gone on?? Now I'm fighting about drugs and illicit affairs? The Lord said he would expose everything, but now this?? Incredible. Absolutely incredible.
If true, this is one of the more grotesque things we have ever heard in Christian circles. Bickle - oh my gosh, we are almost certainly just touching the iceberg on this, too. Gotta be loads more of these stories.
@@RapturesDelightit has to be Mike. The way Julie is talking about this secret person in this video, and says “protecting Mike Legacy”.. how could he not have done the same thing to her? She came out swinging in defense of him.
I’m not touching anything! You shouldn’t either. Whenever we spend more time on social media commenting more than we’ve gone before the Lord in intercession, we become part of the problem in the Kingdom. The joke is on any of you who have commented but have not gone into the prayer closet to intercede. If you have not, you have picked up an idol and the problem with idols is that they belong to Satan and he can collect on them anytime he wants. Come out of agreement, repent and intercede for this situation.
Oh yes, the age old adultries, never seen before by the children of God and taking us all by shock surprise, ehh... Who remembers king David? The lady bathing on the roof? Ring any bells??? David committed adultry, and murder to hide the lie. King of Isreal. Mighty man of Valor. And a "MAN AFTER GODS OWN HEART" HOW MANY OF YOU LOOK UP TO KING DAVID AND STILL LOVE QUOTEING HIS PSALMS AND REMENICING OF HIS CORAGE IN LEADING GODS PEOPLE??? SO I GUESS KING DAVID IS NO MORE THEN A LIEING MURDEROUS ADULTERER. MISTY WITH ALL HER SINS MISTAKES AND SHORT COMINGS IS A WOMAN AFTER GODS OWN HEART. LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE... If yall gonna discount MISTY for this then discount KING DAVID too. Kick MISTY out the church and rip King David's story out the Bible. We didn't think of her quite as noble as King David, but I guess now we can ehh? I love King David. And Misty too.
So how is she a victim? I am so confused. she's a grown woman and had affairs so how is she a victim? Please can someone explain? She knew she was sinning.
She's not. That's the world's mentality creeping in. If she stood before God, do we really think God would excuse what she did? None of us are exempt. Even young teenagers are accountable for their sins.
Study hum@n tr@fficking. Misty said herself, "I did whatever he wanted." She was severely psychologically and emotionally abused. She needs trauma therapy and our prayers, not judgement.
@@PeacefulWarrior000 I'm not judging I am trying understand what happened. Who is He? Mike Or Kevin? She wash't human trafficked. she wasn't stolen from her family and drugged. Stop making excuses for her sin.
@@JamesStonley She was absolutely stolen from her family through coercion. Again, STUDY hum@n tr@fficking. The majority are not stolen from their homes. They are not drugged until after they are in it. Study it and you will see allll of the similarities... it's not black and white and stop saying you aren't judging when you end it with "Stop making excuses for her sin." You are judging that she sinned. This is horrific abuse and that's why even she can't see it. It's called Stockholm Syndrome.
@@JamesStonley Really, it's none of our business. But the "he" is her reference to Kevin. And as I said, study hum@n tr@fficking and you will see that the majority are not stolen from their families and drugged. They are most often coerced and manipulated in almost the exact way that this man manipulated and coerced Misty. As I said, she has been severely psychologically and emotionally abused. Pray for her instead of assuming that you understand her and pass judgment for what you're calling "sin." That is passing judgment when you don't have the facts regarding her entire situation. Pray for her.
WHOAH .....I'm all for taking IHOPKC down...but your title for this video is horribly wrong. She was talking about Prosch here. Please, wrong information is really damaging.
Or 'prophetic' of what is about to come out... Why isn't anyone thinking the obvious: Mike Bickle is the secret Edwards is so desperately trying to keep hidden. The implication for going to such extremes to keep a secret points to a man in a prominent position....the nature of a father wound with Misty and older men is apparent. Misty is the victim, Mike Bickle groomed her and she's protecting him as did his others.
@@JenniferFitzgerald-ng7zm we have all met the enemy and the enemy is me. Way too many people are focusing way too much on this for to long. Focus on Jesus and bear fruit!✝️🕊🙏
I know of a guy that had a crush on Misty while all of this was going on, they were quick to alienate him and make it hard for him to live there because of it. She's a big girl and she knew what she was doing, she wanted to be in a spotlight and make money singing, she's not a victim, she's an enabler of this abuse that spread to other women. She knew what she was doing. That's why she was telling this reporter she's not a victim. sick, that's one of the many different reasons I can't trust the church body anymore. There are Christ followers that I do trust, but churches in the states are highly likely to be corrupt in one fashion or another.
I always felt a block when it came to IHOP, especially Misty's worship, I could never listen to it.. I understand that it was the Holy Spirit. I had that with some others who have been exposed. Totally agree on the condition of churches at the moment with everything - cross-dressing (I wonder about the dreadlock long hair for pastors, a few seem to have it), mega-church trend, female pastors and the worship with dark rooms and laser lights. I am struggling to find a Bible-obeying church. Blessings from Australia.
@@vigil4Jesus dread locks? That’s the religious spirit in you. That’s the invitation from Christ where he can teach you outside of the law and be in love with Him who fulfilled the law and know that a person with dress can still be in right relationship with Jesus. John the Baptist was that exact same person you’re describing but in Jesus’ day. His hair was wild, he dressed crazy and ate locusts and honey. That religious spirit will find people shocked when we all stand before Him. The joke is on any of you who have commented but have not gone into the prayer closet to intercede. If you have not, you have picked up an idol and the problem with idols is that they belong to Satan and he can collect on them anytime he wants. Come out of agreement, repent and intercede for this situation.
Excusing Misty's horrible, long term sinful actions while still in the ministry as being a "victim" is wrong. She lied to the people for many years, being a false worship leader. The Bible says "all liars" will go to the lake of fire," unless they completely repent: “HE WHO OVERCOMES SHALL INHERIT all things, and I will be his God and he shall BE MY SON. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers,SEXUALLY IMMORAL, sorcerers, idolaters, and *ALL LIARS* shall have their part in the LAKE WHICH BURNS WITH FIRE and brimstone, which is the second death.” - Revelation 21:7-8
And the Lake of Fire is ‘Theion’…God Himself WHO IS THE CONSUMING FIRE that purifies & removes the dross to reveal the gold. THIS is God’s Justice system of RESTORATION not punitive or retributive like the fallen mindset.
@@jcismyall Jesus' words prove hell is eternal: • “everlasting fire” • “everlasting punishment” • “eternal condemnation” • “the fire that shall never be quenched” • “their worm does not die” • “unquenchable fire” Matthew 5:22 Matthew 5:29-30 Matthew 7:13,19 Matthew 8:12 Matthew 10:28 Matthew 13:30 Matthew 13:40 Matthew 13:42 Matthew 13:49-50 Matthew 18:8 Matthew 18:9 Matthew 22:13 Matthew 24:51 Matthew 25:30 Matthew 25:41 Matthew 25:46 Mark 3:29 Mark 9:43-48 Luke 3:17 Luke 12:5 Luke 12:46-48 John 5:29 John 15:6 Revelation 21:7-8 Additionally: Revelation 14:9-14 Revelation 20:10-15
Study hum@n tr@fficking. Misty said herself, "I did whatever he wanted." She was severely psychologically and emotionally abused. She needs trauma therapy and our prayers, not judgement.
@@PeacefulWarrior000 She knew she was sinning, and knows she's still sinning by not fully repenting and telling the truth. She's accountable for her own sin, and so is Mike who will get a more severe judgment if he doesn't fully repent and reconcile too. She hasn't repented yet. To excuse her sin isn't what God is doing and neither should we.
@@jefffenske1958 She was coerced. Like I said, study hum@n tr@fficking and you will see more clearly. It's Stockholm Syndrome. You have no idea what she's been through and you should be the one repenting for your judgmental words.
The concept of hierarchy slips into the Church so subtly. Now it is one abuse victim being less deserving of abuse than another. It is not a competition Julie Roys. ALL ABUSE IS SIN (James 2).
The tears in Julie’s eyes, and that comment hit me differently, “least of all her”.. she is saying that Misty was a victim of someone else. That Misty is defending Mikes legacy, but won’t admit she was a victim. My bet is the affair was with Mike. From a young age. That’s just my take..
This is why we don't put people on pedestals and call them "worship leaders". That title isn't even in the Bible. It should be a corporate group all singing as one voice to God. That way no one is the "star".
What a blessing the advocate she has in you for you as her friend. You're a real friend. Thank you for being her voice that she can't find right now. Disassociate identity disorder is almost insurmountable without good friends and divine intervention. Shalom and may ABBA bless you immensely. In JESUS'S MIGHTY name. AMEN 🕊
I dont know the whole story but, if your an adult and you choose to have a sexual relationship with another adult who is married, how are you a victim in that? I'm not trying to judge that I'm just not sure i understand.
With KP, she isn't a victim. But with MB, she's a victim. I don't think she's guiltless in the KP saga. She claimed celibacy, but broke the vow, sinned, then covered up both relationships. No. She isn't innocent. She needs repentance and healing.
Life isn’t as black and white as, “she was an adult…”. It’s more nuanced and complicated. Misty definitely shares some culpability in the KP saga for taking up with a married man. But if the reporting of KP’s blackmail tactics are true, then Misty was victimized. There are several knock on effects to abuse. Youngsters who are abused grow up to be adults who abuse drugs and alcohol. Or act out in different ways. Misty, like the original Jane Doe joined IHOPKC at 19. I wonder what happened to her earlier in life that may have influenced her self-destructive patterns later in life. That said, this stuff about being celibate and given over to Jesus is just wrong. Bad things happen when people try to “sacrifice” to Jesus something He didn’t ask for.
@@JhutaNabi Blackmailing doesn't happen in vacuum. How someone can be blackmailed is because of dirt. No. She is blackmailed because of her sin. In this case, both ME and KP are at fault. ME has a good upbringing. Her "self destructive pattern" can be traced back to MB and KP. Both are old enough to be her dad. She's a victim in this regard. No. She's responsible for abusing drugs and alcohol. But her pattern of behavior is definitely influenced by the two p*dos.
@@JhutaNabi Blackmailing doesn't happen in vacuum. How someone can be blackmailed is because of dirt. No. She is blackmailed because of her sin. In this case, both ME and KP are at fault. ME has a good upbringing. Her "self destructive pattern" can be traced back to MB and KP. Both are old enough to be her dad. She's a victim in this regard. No. She's responsible for abusing drugs and alcohol. But her pattern of behavior is definitely influenced by the two.
love to see all you judgmental Christians so loving and without sin who walk so righteously it is truly time for todays churches to quit entertaining and start actually loving others I still love you misty
Calling out sin is not judgment, we are told to watch out for false teachers. These people all made conscience choices to publicly minister while being shady behind the scenes. They knew exactly what they were doing while declaring God. This moral tragedy has effected hundreds of people's lives. It needs to be discussed because of everything that can be gleaned from it. It was corrupt from the head (Bickle) so everything under it was destined to fall. Churches need to see that corrupt leadership will tear down the biggest ministries.
@@bruthamann5697 yeah true however we all sin pick yours you don’t need to call out someone else’s God will do that plus we go by what we here and we are not in the shoes of others to judge them truthfully there is not a church these days that God or the Holy Spirit leads God has been kicked out of church it’s run by corrupt man look we all fall short that Misty shouted for the Lord but no not perfect but neither are you or me hell man has even corrupted the word of God and turned Gods grace His sacrifice into works just like the Pharisees in the Bible which is todays prideful church it is time for God to show back up and that’s gonna take turning back to him we are so so far away from God it’s not funny yet we all think he is here NO! This is a very sinful nation and it’s by design no accident and just as the Bible says when you turn away from God your Nations will be ruled by babes and will be ruled by women um look around the church needs to unite and stop all this judgement on each other because really we all have got it wrong face it and own it cause it’s true However this is what our savior came to do you perfect people who don’t exist GET OVER YOURSELF your no better than the next when people realize that then maybe things will unite until then Satan runs this country and guess what we let him so chew on that a bit
I pray for Misty to be healed, by the blood of Jesus . breaks my heart as her worship songs are some of the best , Beautiful mind !!! love the way it opens your heart and mind , so pure .....so sorry for what the devil has stolen, I speak restoration 1:21 by the authority of Mighty King Jesus
As I have understood this girl was just 14 when Bickle was with her. That's a victim. When Prosh, Bickles brother in law came later, she had went into a typical "protective- mode" because noone been abused handles being a victim, and desperately try convince themselves they're in control, but they're not, and never was. She was 14! If she couldn't put up a bariere then, she couldn't later either. Most probably she even has been taken advantage of as a kid. Because predators are experts finding these. AND they're there to kill the worship fire.
Satan attacks those who are having an impact. Often uses the church to do his dirty work. Know thine enemy. There is no condemnation for those in Christ, so let's stop blaming mortals for being human and start going after the one who really is to blame.
We are all adults with responsibility. We have to understand that the devil has o mercy and we ate all targets. Those with more authority are bigger targets. Face the facts repent and move on. Noone is sin free. We were born into it. We battle till the day the lord takes us home
Study hum@n tr@fficking. Get educated. She has been severely psychologically and emotionally abused for years. She was clear, "I did whatever he wanted." She needs trauma therapy and our prayers, not judgement.
False. Please study hum@n tr@fficking. She said, "I did whatever he wanted." Misty has been severely psychologically and emotionally abused. She needs our prayers, not judgment.
And you’re worthy of accusing? We’re no better. It’s why we need Jesus. “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”. You’re throwing stones and the only one who is sinless and NOT stoning her is Christ. He said “neither do I condemn you go and sin no more”. You’re in no position to condemn and when you do you’re being used by Satan to utter curses because condemnation only comes from him. You should intercede for her. Your heart would be better off if it bled for her in your prayer closet than speaking curses and judgement that you have no business pronouncing. Take this correction with a contrite heart and pray for her by starting it out with repentance to God for speaking ill of one of His children. Only He was able to open the seals. Never forget that. If you do you will be guilt free before the Lord but if you don’t you will be held accountable to your judgement.
Let me tell you MB and his teaching transformed my life for over 20 years. Whether you believe it or not God has used that man powerfully throughout the Earth to speak his truth have some respect
**Remember the movie “A Few Good Men?” The defense counsel for the marines used for carrying out the “code red” on Santiago was, “They were following orders” and couldn’t be held responsible. Do you think there’s any pressure for marines and others in various situations who fail to speak up? How many years did this go on with Edwards’ “song bird” fame and blossoming career where she didn’t speak up. Edwards benefited financially and she moved around freely. She has a following…her own following. She is culpable unless some extraordinary information comes out. No amount of journalists or ihoper fans can slap a ‘coercive control’ sticker on her without (a.)knowing all the facts that can be known and (b.) expert status in behavior (TRR had a Baylor PhD offer an opinion and he’s never met Edwards-very unusual and inappropriate) If she wants to mitigate her involvement…stop protecting the abuser and herself.
I wonder if people think that it she stood before God at this moment without repenting, that God would say "you are a victim so you are excused from sins committed." No way! Are people crazy? If it started at 19, she was still old enough to read the Bible and see that it says do not fornicate and do not lie. It's unfortunate she let a man coerce her to sin, but Misty was accountable to God as well. And because she was involved in a church and sang in sessions, she really had the truth of God exposed to her every time. No excuse. We don't even excuse younger teenagers from having sex or lying. That's why youth ministry exists to teach right and wrong in Christ. Her lying made it VERY clear she KNEW it was wrong from the beginning. And I say this as someone who got mixed up sexually in church due to my brokenness and my vulnerability being played on. Yes, I'm a victim of what the enemy did but I was still very much guilty.
The joke is on any of you who have commented but have not gone into the prayer closet to intercede. If you have not, you have picked up an idol and the problem with idols is that they belong to Satan and he can collect on them anytime he wants. Come out of agreement, repent and intercede for this situation.
I think if Julie is referring to Mike Bickle and Misty, this would have occured in the early days of IHOP when Misty was 19. One of the orginal victims of Mike happened before he started IHOP and was pastoring in St Louis, she was his babysitter and only 14. There were others (plural) who this had also allegedly also happened with who were some of the first at IHOP's start. Kevin Prosch did come in the picture much later, he was married to Mikes sister when the alledged affair started, but later divorcer. Kevin Prosch in the late 90's he publicly admitted to acts of adultery (way before Misty's time).
This woman is sad. This is all about her and this is not about Misty or the issues I feel like this is a false humility and it's just like everyone else you know that has a podcast that wants to put their two cents into the pot. Just stop! Just stop
The thing about high control groups like IHOPKC is that people are coerced and manipulated, which makes them a victim, however, very often, they are taught to then perpetrate the abuse that was done to them on others because God wants that or whatever excuse they would use. it’s easy to see how Misty feels a lot of shame because she is guilty of something, however, if she had potentially two affairs, and one of them was potentially her leader, then the power dynamic and the age difference was an abuse of his authority, which is abuse. I do not envy her elevated position in the church, because she probably felt like she had to hide every little sin, and I tend to trust Julie’s judgment on whether she was victimized.
There is a rule among narcissists, like Bickle, that there is a hell of dealing with the narcissist daily, but a much greater hell of the wrath of the narcissist after you expose them!
Julie you are an amazing reporter who the Body of Christ needs but please take a step back and think because misty might well be manipulating too she had a good teacher and she had a choice just please prayerfully think about it without a doubt misty needs help but not necessarily way you think truly said in love and thank you again xx
What has happened to her? When she chose to have sex with multiple married men? Gross to act like she’s so victimized. A heart for the Lord? Come on. We as a church need to have standards- people can fall and make mistakes.
Study hum@n tr@fficking. Misty said herself, "I did whatever he wanted." She was severely psychologically and emotionally abused. She needs trauma therapy and our prayers, not judgement.
Not good, Julie! I appreciate the spirit you have of trying to be understanding of a person's life and situation. But this Celebrity Failureism is out of control and needs to be smacked right in the face for what it is!
What if, she’s well aware and knows that she’s not a victim‽ how beautiful would that be to see a woman not follow the ways of the world and just be honest about their own sexual deviants.
The joke is on any of you who have commented but have not gone into the prayer closet to intercede. If you have not, you have picked up an idol and the problem with idols is that they belong to Satan and he can collect on them anytime he wants. Come out of agreement, repent and intercede for this situation.
This lady from the video ,she needs help .How someone can make time to do a video like this .Jesus anyone from her family can take her to the doctor please
Julie to say that to Misty when she says she was not abused and with your clout arnt you using your position to shame her and defame her infront of a lot of people. If you want to say that to her in private to see if she reacts is one thing but in front of thousands is completely wrong.😢
One thing is that it was never Mike Bickle’s legacy. It’s not about him. It’s about God, and how God used him which had truly good impact I believe in the kingdom of God. But Mike made terrible and public personal decisions it seems, and since he’s a public figure, it seems to go down harder on him than the rest of us when we make mistakes. But that’s Mike’s human fault and we should love and pray for him as well as victims. But we should not be attaching legacies to people anymore. It’s God. God who worked in David. God who worked in Noah. Moses.
So the not reported thing was...??? The headline for this video implies something - but it is not clear from the video itself - unless it was reported elsewhere. So is this saying what I think it says?
@@ruthmayforth5933 I get that, but implying and reporting are different things. And implying “abuse” can mean 100 different things. If we want truth, it needs to be on both sides. Enough fabrication or exaggeration. We’ve had enough of that.
I disagree with making Misty out to be a "victim." While she may have been manipulated and blackmailed she played a part in the sin she chose to take part in and participate in. She was getting drunk doing drugs laying down with a married man. So lets not play the "victim" card like Misty was all innocent and all. Its not like she was forced against her will to have sex with a married man or raped that we know of. She made those choices. The only way you can own up to the sin you have committed and repent is not by minimizing what it is. I just hate the victim card mentality that is so prevalent these days that minimizes sin. Ohh lets feel sorry for them because they are a "victim" that takes the personal blame off them so they can feel better about themselves.
I understand what you're saying but as someone else said in their comment, I believe Misty is BOTH a victim here, and also responsible for her part in all this. I don't believe anyone is giving her a free pass BUT they are giving an explanation as to the motivation for her behaviors. To explain it isn't to dismiss it. It simply sheds light on it, which exposes it for what it is. And as someone who was sexually victimized at a young age, I can tell you that it negatively affects you in many different ways. It causes you to perceive things in a different light, to behave in ways that people don't understand. And then as a result, you end up being misunderstood...a lot. You do things YOU don't even understand because there's a root to the fruit that you don't know is there and it was put there because someone else sinned against you, deeply wounded you, and cared more about their evil desires than they did about harming you. And then to add even more pain to the gaping wound that you already have, people have no problem judging you from the outside when they can't discern your heart or God's heart in the matter (or simply don't want to). Only God, in His grace and infinite wisdom knows what it is, how it got there, and how to remove it. And that's my prayer for all of them - Complete restoration and healing back to the Father, to Jesus, to Holy Spirit, not to ministry or 'work' but to God's Heart.
I'm going to find out what you got you're talking about I wish you would've been a little more clear but if you want to tell me, I mean Misty I send her music to everyone. I know she is my heart and soul. She is a pure pure woman and I love her music. I listen to it almost all day long every day, if you want, how can we communicate? I hope you have my email I
blame blame. You have sinned by blaming too. SO as Jesus said . Ladies are good at blaming because that is what Serpent started with in Eden. So either Mike and you both end up forsaken by God or both be saved and forgiven. Can't have one without the other. If one of you forgive then that's up to God to judge. . However dont ever think you will go to heaven by blaming anyone. I dont know any of you but I have an aunt in USA. I have problems with my mother too. Blame blame blame = Ladies. I am still seeking God about this.
Romans 8:9 King James Version 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Revelation 21:8 King James Version 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
So what is a victim? A target for temptation? So then, Eve was a victim? She chose her lot. For 7 long years, all the while being in the Presence of a convicting Spirit (if she wasn't grieved, she wasn't in His Presence). It appears she chose celebrity.
That entire establishment sounds sickening. What is going on there is NOT THE TRUE GOSPEL MESSAGE OF JESUS CHRIST! That is not a church of the real JESUS CHRIST and HOLY SPIRIT of GOD. That place is a cesspool of another spirit not of the LORD full of false prophets and devil deceivers! The kind that JESUS speaks of in Matthew 7:21-23 (ESV) 22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? ' 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness. Nothing they do is true representation of who GOD & JESUS.
How about praying for his VICTIMS!? He's NOT a true Christian! He has NOT REPENTED for any of the sexual & spiritual harm & damage he has done to 14, 15, 17 & 19 year old GIRLS!! You & Rick Joyner can pray for Mike and the rest of us will pray for the onslaught of VICTIMS Mike Bickle has destroyed....Geeze Louise. 🙄
"And behold, one of the people of Israel came and brought a Midianite woman to his family, in the sight of Moses and in the sight of the whole congregation of the people of Israel, while they were weeping in the entrance of the tent of meeting. When Phinehas the son of Eleazar, son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose and left the congregation and took a spear in his hand and went after the man of Israel into the chamber and pierced both of them, the man of Israel and the woman through her belly. Thus the plague on the people of Israel was stopped. Nevertheless, those who died by the plague were twenty-four thousand. And the Lord said to Moses, “Phinehas the son of Eleazar, son of Aaron the priest, has turned back my wrath from the people of Israel, in that he was jealous with my jealousy among them, so that I did not consume the people of Israel in my jealousy. Therefore say, ‘Behold, I give to him my covenant of peace, and it shall be to him and to his descendants after him the covenant of a perpetual priesthood, because he was jealous for his God and made atonement for the people of Israel.’” - Numbers 25:6-13
Why is the man to blame? They are both at fault. Here we go again with victimization. Grow up! Admit you sinned and repent. Maybe God in his Mercy will forgive you. But for the love of God quit the victimhood mentality.
No one forces you to sin. It starts in the heart then conceived.
Repentance for everyone is needed
False. Study hum@n tr@fficking. These women are forced to sin daily. They are forced to steal people's identities. They are even forced to open up credit cards under those identities. Misty said herself, "I did whatever he wanted." She was severely psychologically and emotionally abused. She needs trauma therapy and our prayers, not judgement.
False. Please study hum@n tr@fficking. She said, "I did whatever he wanted." Misty has been severely psychologically and emotionally abused. She needs our prayers, not judgment.
Interesting how no one seems to consider the wife and children of the married man she had an affair with fir 7 years to be victims.
They should be and it was MB who took vows and made promises to his wife and not ME.
Good point.
Yeah….lol. Bias
@@joanntaylor4675Yet ME knew they existed and saw them. She looked them in their face and was deceptive. She not only was fornicating, but she lied continuously, and interjected herself into a marriage to cause pain to another woman and children. She became a tool for Satan just like MB was.
They are absolutely victims and I'm sure they have suffered incredible trauma.
As a backslider who was restored many years ago and then had some major trips until God gave me the victory-and He always will-I get it. I get loving God with all of my heart only to fall into temptation because you haven't yet learned the wiles of the enemy, the power of sin, how we can rationalize things....and how to live in power over that sin. I get it! It's easy to show mercy when I have received so much. Blessed are the poor in spirit, and He is very near to us when our sin breaks the hard hearted pride so present in us-until we see who we really are apart from God. But our journey is towards His image in us and that we must pursue.
Yes but Jesus also said, "Go and sin no more!" But many leaders continued with affairs.
Right on spot.. 💯🎯
Beautifully said.. 🥰
In the middle of your mess, when you fail to withstand in temptation..
When there's only explanation but no excuse..
And only Yeshua is the one who says, "Come.. come to me and confess.. your willingness to be honest in front of me is the first step in the right direction.. Approach me with a humble heart, even broken because of what you committed.. I will not send you away from my presence.. you can stay close to me.. I'm not surprised.. I knew what would happen beforehand.. I've prepared forgiveness beforehand.. ever to be available for you.. so don't run from me after failure.. bring it to me in exchange for my mercy.. if you want to receive this, come before my throne and bow with a repentent heart whilst you hand over your transgressions to me.. accept and receive my forgiveness willingly.. there's nothing else you can do about it.. I have the authority to perform this exchange because I paid the highest price ever being paid.. I did this because you matter to me.."
That's my King.. 👑
Grace is His thing.. ❤️🩹
It sounds like you aren't holding Misty accountable for her actions while the men in this situation are held accountable
The true victims in this is NOT Misty, it is the wives and children. Open your eyes.
False. They're all victims. Study hum@n tr@fficking. Misty said herself, "I did whatever he wanted." She was severely psychologically and emotionally abused. She needs trauma therapy and our prayers, not judgement.
@@PeacefulWarrior000 also his wife is still supprting him, she literally got up and preached his messege directly after he was told not to speak to the congregation. The wife is a victim but much more willing and needs to be held accountable.
@@Syx33sylph Are you talking about Mike Bickle's wife? I know his sister preached, but Diane rarely speaks, so I don't know that it was her. I'm not sure who you're referring to though.
@@PeacefulWarrior000 I know she doesn’t speak often, go look it up she literally gave a sermon and it’s cringe.
@@PeacefulWarrior000 also maybe I was mistaken, it’s been a while since I was in that community, it could have been his sister lol
The temptation on either extreme will be to look for this everywhere in the Church or nowhere... May God grant wisdom and grace and healing and holiness and balance.
What happened? I was just looking up a song that I haven't heard in a while and I'm finding this?? What in the world has gone on?? Now I'm fighting about drugs and illicit affairs? The Lord said he would expose everything, but now this?? Incredible. Absolutely incredible.
Misty Edwards is a victim of her own hubris and pride. Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a great fall
If true, this is one of the more grotesque things we have ever heard in Christian circles. Bickle - oh my gosh, we are almost certainly just touching the iceberg on this, too. Gotta be loads more of these stories.
Many more stories but they are all the same. This is a story as old as man. Its always the same. Man sacrifices all because he can't control himself.
Inside sources told me the "secret" with the mystery man was 10 years.
@@RapturesDelightit has to be Mike. The way Julie is talking about this secret person in this video, and says “protecting Mike Legacy”.. how could he not have done the same thing to her? She came out swinging in defense of him.
I’m not touching anything! You shouldn’t either. Whenever we spend more time on social media commenting more than we’ve gone before the Lord in intercession, we become part of the problem in the Kingdom. The joke is on any of you who have commented but have not gone into the prayer closet to intercede. If you have not, you have picked up an idol and the problem with idols is that they belong to Satan and he can collect on them anytime he wants. Come out of agreement, repent and intercede for this situation.
Oh yes, the age old adultries, never seen before by the children of God and taking us all by shock surprise, ehh...
Who remembers king David? The lady bathing on the roof? Ring any bells???
David committed adultry, and murder to hide the lie. King of Isreal. Mighty man of Valor. And a "MAN AFTER GODS OWN HEART"
HOW MANY OF YOU LOOK UP TO KING DAVID AND STILL LOVE QUOTEING HIS PSALMS AND REMENICING OF HIS CORAGE IN LEADING GODS PEOPLE???
SO I GUESS KING DAVID IS NO MORE THEN A LIEING MURDEROUS ADULTERER.
MISTY WITH ALL HER SINS MISTAKES AND SHORT COMINGS IS A WOMAN AFTER GODS OWN HEART.
LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE...
If yall gonna discount MISTY for this then discount KING DAVID too. Kick MISTY out the church and rip King David's story out the Bible. We didn't think of her quite as noble as King David, but I guess now we can ehh?
I love King David. And Misty too.
Oh this breaks my heart. Praying for Misty.
So how is she a victim? I am so confused. she's a grown woman and had affairs so how is she a victim? Please can someone explain? She knew she was sinning.
She's not. That's the world's mentality creeping in. If she stood before God, do we really think God would excuse what she did? None of us are exempt. Even young teenagers are accountable for their sins.
Study hum@n tr@fficking. Misty said herself, "I did whatever he wanted." She was severely psychologically and emotionally abused. She needs trauma therapy and our prayers, not judgement.
@@PeacefulWarrior000 I'm not judging I am trying understand what happened. Who is He? Mike Or Kevin? She wash't human trafficked. she wasn't stolen from her family and drugged. Stop making excuses for her sin.
@@JamesStonley She was absolutely stolen from her family through coercion. Again, STUDY hum@n tr@fficking. The majority are not stolen from their homes. They are not drugged until after they are in it. Study it and you will see allll of the similarities... it's not black and white and stop saying you aren't judging when you end it with "Stop making excuses for her sin." You are judging that she sinned. This is horrific abuse and that's why even she can't see it. It's called Stockholm Syndrome.
@@JamesStonley Really, it's none of our business. But the "he" is her reference to Kevin. And as I said, study hum@n tr@fficking and you will see that the majority are not stolen from their families and drugged. They are most often coerced and manipulated in almost the exact way that this man manipulated and coerced Misty. As I said, she has been severely psychologically and emotionally abused. Pray for her instead of assuming that you understand her and pass judgment for what you're calling "sin." That is passing judgment when you don't have the facts regarding her entire situation. Pray for her.
Healing for Misty.
Repentance first.
Healing for Mikes wife!
Jail time for Misty.
@@agarber1932 What for exactly? Because you say so?
WHOAH .....I'm all for taking IHOPKC down...but your title for this video is horribly wrong. She was talking about Prosch here. Please, wrong information is really damaging.
Thankyou Yvonne, you are right
Or 'prophetic' of what is about to come out... Why isn't anyone thinking the obvious: Mike Bickle is the secret Edwards is so desperately trying to keep hidden. The implication for going to such extremes to keep a secret points to a man in a prominent position....the nature of a father wound with Misty and older men is apparent. Misty is the victim, Mike Bickle groomed her and she's protecting him as did his others.
@@JenniferFitzgerald-ng7zm we have all met the enemy and the enemy is me. Way too many people are focusing way too much on this for to long. Focus on Jesus and bear fruit!✝️🕊🙏
@@williambrion2011Aaaaaaamen!
I know of a guy that had a crush on Misty while all of this was going on, they were quick to alienate him and make it hard for him to live there because of it. She's a big girl and she knew what she was doing, she wanted to be in a spotlight and make money singing, she's not a victim, she's an enabler of this abuse that spread to other women. She knew what she was doing. That's why she was telling this reporter she's not a victim. sick, that's one of the many different reasons I can't trust the church body anymore. There are Christ followers that I do trust, but churches in the states are highly likely to be corrupt in one fashion or another.
I always felt a block when it came to IHOP, especially Misty's worship, I could never listen to it.. I understand that it was the Holy Spirit. I had that with some others who have been exposed.
Totally agree on the condition of churches at the moment with everything - cross-dressing (I wonder about the dreadlock long hair for pastors, a few seem to have it), mega-church trend, female pastors and the worship with dark rooms and laser lights. I am struggling to find a Bible-obeying church. Blessings from Australia.
@@vigil4Jesus dread locks? That’s the religious spirit in you. That’s the invitation from Christ where he can teach you outside of the law and be in love with Him who fulfilled the law and know that a person with dress can still be in right relationship with Jesus. John the Baptist was that exact same person you’re describing but in Jesus’ day. His hair was wild, he dressed crazy and ate locusts and honey. That religious spirit will find people shocked when we all stand before Him. The joke is on any of you who have commented but have not gone into the prayer closet to intercede. If you have not, you have picked up an idol and the problem with idols is that they belong to Satan and he can collect on them anytime he wants. Come out of agreement, repent and intercede for this situation.
YES ! YES ! YES !
I’m with Julie. Bout makes me want to cry.
Excusing Misty's horrible, long term sinful actions while still in the ministry as being a "victim" is wrong. She lied to the people for many years, being a false worship leader.
The Bible says "all liars" will go to the lake of fire," unless they completely repent:
“HE WHO OVERCOMES SHALL INHERIT all things, and I will be his God and he shall BE MY SON. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers,SEXUALLY IMMORAL, sorcerers, idolaters, and *ALL LIARS* shall have their part in the LAKE WHICH BURNS WITH FIRE and brimstone, which is the second death.” - Revelation 21:7-8
And the Lake of Fire is ‘Theion’…God Himself WHO IS THE CONSUMING FIRE that purifies & removes the dross to reveal the gold. THIS is God’s Justice system of RESTORATION not punitive or retributive like the fallen mindset.
@@jcismyall Jesus' words prove hell is eternal:
• “everlasting fire”
• “everlasting punishment”
• “eternal condemnation”
• “the fire that shall never be quenched”
• “their worm does not die”
• “unquenchable fire”
Matthew 5:22
Matthew 5:29-30
Matthew 7:13,19
Matthew 8:12
Matthew 10:28
Matthew 13:30
Matthew 13:40
Matthew 13:42
Matthew 13:49-50
Matthew 18:8
Matthew 18:9
Matthew 22:13
Matthew 24:51
Matthew 25:30
Matthew 25:41
Matthew 25:46
Mark 3:29
Mark 9:43-48
Luke 3:17
Luke 12:5
Luke 12:46-48
John 5:29
John 15:6
Revelation 21:7-8
Additionally:
Revelation 14:9-14
Revelation 20:10-15
Study hum@n tr@fficking. Misty said herself, "I did whatever he wanted." She was severely psychologically and emotionally abused. She needs trauma therapy and our prayers, not judgement.
@@PeacefulWarrior000 She knew she was sinning, and knows she's still sinning by not fully repenting and telling the truth. She's accountable for her own sin, and so is Mike who will get a more severe judgment if he doesn't fully repent and reconcile too. She hasn't repented yet. To excuse her sin isn't what God is doing and neither should we.
@@jefffenske1958 She was coerced. Like I said, study hum@n tr@fficking and you will see more clearly. It's Stockholm Syndrome. You have no idea what she's been through and you should be the one repenting for your judgmental words.
I loved listening to her music but I never understood her allegiance to IHOP. I hope she finds hope beyond IHOP.
The concept of hierarchy slips into the Church so subtly. Now it is one abuse victim being less deserving of abuse than another. It is not a competition Julie Roys. ALL ABUSE IS SIN (James 2).
“Least of all her” also caught my attention.
Glad to hear that someone else noticed :)@@bordendonna
ridiculous...painting an adulteress as a victim. Typical satanic feminism.
The tears in Julie’s eyes, and that comment hit me differently, “least of all her”.. she is saying that Misty was a victim of someone else. That Misty is defending Mikes legacy, but won’t admit she was a victim. My bet is the affair was with Mike. From a young age.
That’s just my take..
As in “Least of all” a 18/19 year old who was discovered by Bickle and groomed like the rest!
This is why we don't put people on pedestals and call them "worship leaders". That title isn't even in the Bible. It should be a corporate group all singing as one voice to God. That way no one is the "star".
What a blessing the advocate she has in you for you as her friend. You're a real friend. Thank you for being her voice that she can't find right now. Disassociate identity disorder is almost insurmountable without good friends and divine intervention. Shalom and may ABBA bless you immensely. In JESUS'S MIGHTY name. AMEN 🕊
I dont know the whole story but, if your an adult and you choose to have a sexual relationship with another adult who is married, how are you a victim in that? I'm not trying to judge that I'm just not sure i understand.
With KP, she isn't a victim. But with MB, she's a victim.
I don't think she's guiltless in the KP saga. She claimed celibacy, but broke the vow, sinned, then covered up both relationships. No. She isn't innocent. She needs repentance and healing.
Life isn’t as black and white as, “she was an adult…”. It’s more nuanced and complicated. Misty definitely shares some culpability in the KP saga for taking up with a married man. But if the reporting of KP’s blackmail tactics are true, then Misty was victimized.
There are several knock on effects to abuse. Youngsters who are abused grow up to be adults who abuse drugs and alcohol. Or act out in different ways. Misty, like the original Jane Doe joined IHOPKC at 19. I wonder what happened to her earlier in life that may have influenced her self-destructive patterns later in life.
That said, this stuff about being celibate and given over to Jesus is just wrong. Bad things happen when people try to “sacrifice” to Jesus something He didn’t ask for.
@@JhutaNabi Blackmailing doesn't happen in vacuum. How someone can be blackmailed is because of dirt. No. She is blackmailed because of her sin. In this case, both ME and KP are at fault.
ME has a good upbringing. Her "self destructive pattern" can be traced back to MB and KP. Both are old enough to be her dad. She's a victim in this regard.
No. She's responsible for abusing drugs and alcohol. But her pattern of behavior is definitely influenced by the two p*dos.
@@JhutaNabi Read the Bible. There are people wanting to keep celibacy for the sake of kingdom of God. It's not wrong. It's biblical. Matt 19:12
@@JhutaNabi Blackmailing doesn't happen in vacuum. How someone can be blackmailed is because of dirt. No. She is blackmailed because of her sin. In this case, both ME and KP are at fault.
ME has a good upbringing. Her "self destructive pattern" can be traced back to MB and KP. Both are old enough to be her dad. She's a victim in this regard.
No. She's responsible for abusing drugs and alcohol. But her pattern of behavior is definitely influenced by the two.
love to see all you judgmental Christians so loving and without sin who walk so righteously it is truly time for todays churches to quit entertaining and start actually loving others I still love you misty
Calling out sin is not judgment, we are told to watch out for false teachers. These people all made conscience choices to publicly minister while being shady behind the scenes. They knew exactly what they were doing while declaring God. This moral tragedy has effected hundreds of people's lives. It needs to be discussed because of everything that can be gleaned from it. It was corrupt from the head (Bickle) so everything under it was destined to fall. Churches need to see that corrupt leadership will tear down the biggest ministries.
@@bruthamann5697 yeah true however we all sin pick yours you don’t need to call out someone else’s God will do that plus we go by what we here and we are not in the shoes of others to judge them truthfully there is not a church these days that God or the Holy Spirit leads God has been kicked out of church it’s run by corrupt man look we all fall short that Misty shouted for the Lord but no not perfect but neither are you or me hell man has even corrupted the word of God and turned Gods grace His sacrifice into works just like the Pharisees in the Bible which is todays prideful church it is time for God to show back up and that’s gonna take turning back to him we are so so far away from God it’s not funny yet we all think he is here NO! This is a very sinful nation and it’s by design no accident and just as the Bible says when you turn away from God your Nations will be ruled by babes and will be ruled by women um look around the church needs to unite and stop all this judgement on each other because really we all have got it wrong face it and own it cause it’s true However this is what our savior came to do you perfect people who don’t exist GET OVER YOURSELF your no better than the next when people realize that then maybe things will unite until then Satan runs this country and guess what we let him so chew on that a bit
@@bruthamann5697 and yes Bickle is a predator for sure
Jesus always called out religious frauds. Unbelievers are a different story.
I still love Misty, too.
I pray for Misty to be healed, by the blood of Jesus . breaks my heart as her worship songs are some of the best , Beautiful mind !!! love the way it opens your heart and mind , so pure .....so sorry for what the devil has stolen, I speak restoration 1:21 by the authority of Mighty King Jesus
If she says shes not a victim, listen to her, Julie!
Your narrative isnt more important than the truth.
As I have understood this girl was just 14 when Bickle was with her. That's a victim. When Prosh, Bickles brother in law came later, she had went into a typical "protective- mode" because noone been abused handles being a victim, and desperately try convince themselves they're in control, but they're not, and never was. She was 14! If she couldn't put up a bariere then, she couldn't later either. Most probably she even has been taken advantage of as a kid. Because predators are experts finding these. AND they're there to kill the worship fire.
Satan attacks those who are having an impact. Often uses the church to do his dirty work. Know thine enemy. There is no condemnation for those in Christ, so let's stop blaming mortals for being human and start going after the one who really is to blame.
Groomed from an innocent child by a narcissist , Only the Truth sets us free and allows a new start. Misty deserves that and more,
We are all adults with responsibility. We have to understand that the devil has o mercy and we ate all targets. Those with more authority are bigger targets. Face the facts repent and move on. Noone is sin free. We were born into it. We battle till the day the lord takes us home
Misty is no victim. She is a hypocrite who made sinful decisions.
Study hum@n tr@fficking. Get educated. She has been severely psychologically and emotionally abused for years. She was clear, "I did whatever he wanted." She needs trauma therapy and our prayers, not judgement.
False. Please study hum@n tr@fficking. She said, "I did whatever he wanted." Misty has been severely psychologically and emotionally abused. She needs our prayers, not judgment.
And you’re worthy of accusing? We’re no better. It’s why we need Jesus. “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”. You’re throwing stones and the only one who is sinless and NOT stoning her is Christ. He said “neither do I condemn you go and sin no more”. You’re in no position to condemn and when you do you’re being used by Satan to utter curses because condemnation only comes from him. You should intercede for her. Your heart would be better off if it bled for her in your prayer closet than speaking curses and judgement that you have no business pronouncing. Take this correction with a contrite heart and pray for her by starting it out with repentance to God for speaking ill of one of His children. Only He was able to open the seals. Never forget that. If you do you will be guilt free before the Lord but if you don’t you will be held accountable to your judgement.
Misty is a victim of spiritual abuse…..you have no idea what you are talking about. Pure IGNORANCE 😡
Let me tell you MB and his teaching transformed my life for over 20 years. Whether you believe it or not God has used that man powerfully throughout the Earth to speak his truth have some respect
Certainly, Misty is one of Mike's victims. However, unless her conscience was seared, she is still accountable to God for her actions with men.
**Remember the movie “A Few Good Men?” The defense counsel for the marines used for carrying out the “code red” on Santiago was, “They were following orders” and couldn’t be held responsible. Do you think there’s any pressure for marines and others in various situations who fail to speak up? How many years did this go on with Edwards’ “song bird” fame and blossoming career where she didn’t speak up. Edwards benefited financially and she moved around freely. She has a following…her own following. She is culpable unless some extraordinary information comes out. No amount of journalists or ihoper fans can slap a ‘coercive control’ sticker on her without (a.)knowing all the facts that can be known and (b.) expert status in behavior (TRR had a Baylor PhD offer an opinion and he’s never met Edwards-very unusual and inappropriate) If she wants to mitigate her involvement…stop protecting the abuser and herself.
Horrifyingly woke victim-mentality. Misty Edwards' adulterous relationship was with Kevin Prosch, no?
I wonder if people think that it she stood before God at this moment without repenting, that God would say "you are a victim so you are excused from sins committed." No way! Are people crazy? If it started at 19, she was still old enough to read the Bible and see that it says do not fornicate and do not lie. It's unfortunate she let a man coerce her to sin, but Misty was accountable to God as well. And because she was involved in a church and sang in sessions, she really had the truth of God exposed to her every time. No excuse. We don't even excuse younger teenagers from having sex or lying. That's why youth ministry exists to teach right and wrong in Christ. Her lying made it VERY clear she KNEW it was wrong from the beginning. And I say this as someone who got mixed up sexually in church due to my brokenness and my vulnerability being played on. Yes, I'm a victim of what the enemy did but I was still very much guilty.
We're all guilty. Only God knows her heart. If she's repented to Him for the sin she did commit, she's innocent bc of Jesus.
The joke is on any of you who have commented but have not gone into the prayer closet to intercede. If you have not, you have picked up an idol and the problem with idols is that they belong to Satan and he can collect on them anytime he wants. Come out of agreement, repent and intercede for this situation.
@@irod1971 This. Amen.
I think if Julie is referring to Mike Bickle and Misty, this would have occured in the early days of IHOP when Misty was 19. One of the orginal victims of Mike happened before he started IHOP and was pastoring in St Louis, she was his babysitter and only 14. There were others (plural) who this had also allegedly also happened with who were some of the first at IHOP's start. Kevin Prosch did come in the picture much later, he was married to Mikes sister when the alledged affair started, but later divorcer. Kevin Prosch in the late 90's he publicly admitted to acts of adultery (way before Misty's time).
This woman is sad. This is all about her and this is not about Misty or the issues I feel like this is a false humility and it's just like everyone else you know that has a podcast that wants to put their two cents into the pot. Just stop! Just stop
She had afffairs years long with 2 leaders. Years of lying. Her music is so dark. I could never tolerate it. Just listen and tune into your heart.
What a delusional person. "I come from the Vineyard movement" says it all.
The thing about high control groups like IHOPKC is that people are coerced and manipulated, which makes them a victim, however, very often, they are taught to then perpetrate the abuse that was done to them on others because God wants that or whatever excuse they would use. it’s easy to see how Misty feels a lot of shame because she is guilty of something, however, if she had potentially two affairs, and one of them was potentially her leader, then the power dynamic and the age difference was an abuse of his authority, which is abuse. I do not envy her elevated position in the church, because she probably felt like she had to hide every little sin, and I tend to trust Julie’s judgment on whether she was victimized.
There is a rule among narcissists, like Bickle, that there is a hell of dealing with the narcissist daily, but a much greater hell of the wrath of the narcissist after you expose them!
What is going on??? 3 different investigation teams...a board that is not actually the IHOP board... and referring to MB as a "brand". This is insane.
How do you get your eye brows to be so wiggly
Julie you are an amazing reporter who the Body of Christ needs but please take a step back and think because misty might well be manipulating too she had a good teacher and she had a choice just please prayerfully think about it without a doubt misty needs help but not necessarily way you think truly said in love and thank you again xx
Victim?? Is this woman mad??
I agree 100%.
The whole thing very sad for all concerned.
Translation: My favorite worship singer who committed adultery for years is a "victim." Just stop!
The Great God will judge everyone
Yes we dont have to. Thankyou Lolly, someone who knows Jesus
What has happened to her? When she chose to have sex with multiple married men? Gross to act like she’s so victimized. A heart for the Lord? Come on. We as a church need to have standards- people can fall and make mistakes.
Study hum@n tr@fficking. Misty said herself, "I did whatever he wanted." She was severely psychologically and emotionally abused. She needs trauma therapy and our prayers, not judgement.
Not good, Julie! I appreciate the spirit you have of trying to be understanding of a person's life and situation. But this Celebrity Failureism is out of control and needs to be smacked right in the face for what it is!
What a crock! Mike Bickle wasn’t a victim but Misty was! Double standard
What if, she’s well aware and knows that she’s not a victim‽ how beautiful would that be to see a woman not follow the ways of the world and just be honest about their own sexual deviants.
The joke is on any of you who have commented but have not gone into the prayer closet to intercede. If you have not, you have picked up an idol and the problem with idols is that they belong to Satan and he can collect on them anytime he wants. Come out of agreement, repent and intercede for this situation.
Don't turn Edwards into a victim. She was an adult. And a drunken one at that.
I hope Misty receives healing what happened to her should have never occurred. Mike Bickle needs to go to jail
Short and to the point. Yes, Misty was a victim of narcissists.
Most proberly
And All these “Christian journalists “ can stop obsessing over it and spreading the slander and gossip.
She had a consensual affair and she’s a victim? Am I understanding this correctly?
This proves what has been claimed .. that certain individuals approached women and insisted they were victims.
Interesting
This lady from the video ,she needs help .How someone can make time to do a video like this .Jesus anyone from her family can take her to the doctor please
Julie to say that to Misty when she says she was not abused and with your clout arnt you using your position to shame her and defame her infront of a lot of people. If you want to say that to her in private to see if she reacts is one thing but in front of thousands is completely wrong.😢
so, is It just a given at this point that the 'secret' was that Misty and Mike had an affair? Or that she was one of his victims?
One thing is that it was never Mike Bickle’s legacy. It’s not about him. It’s about God, and how God used him which had truly good impact I believe in the kingdom of God. But Mike made terrible and public personal decisions it seems, and since he’s a public figure, it seems to go down harder on him than the rest of us when we make mistakes. But that’s Mike’s human fault and we should love and pray for him as well as victims. But we should not be attaching legacies to people anymore. It’s God. God who worked in David. God who worked in Noah. Moses.
Wait. Misty Edwards did what?
What is Mike doing now, is he in the hiding?
So the not reported thing was...??? The headline for this video implies something - but it is not clear from the video itself - unless it was reported elsewhere. So is this saying what I think it says?
This is out of context. Watch the whole thing....she was actually referring to Prosch here. :(
@@yvonneparksThe headline is misleading.
@@fruitbat36 💯
Julie didn’t outright say it, but she did seem to imply here that Misty was a victim of MB.
@@ruthmayforth5933 I get that, but implying and reporting are different things. And implying “abuse” can mean 100 different things. If we want truth, it needs to be on both sides. Enough fabrication or exaggeration. We’ve had enough of that.
I disagree with making Misty out to be a "victim." While she may have been manipulated and blackmailed she played a part in the sin she chose to take part in and participate in. She was getting drunk doing drugs laying down with a married man. So lets not play the "victim" card like Misty was all innocent and all. Its not like she was forced against her will to have sex with a married man or raped that we know of. She made those choices. The only way you can own up to the sin you have committed and repent is not by minimizing what it is. I just hate the victim card mentality that is so prevalent these days that minimizes sin. Ohh lets feel sorry for them because they are a "victim" that takes the personal blame off them so they can feel better about themselves.
God definitely doesn't say "Omg, you're a victim. Your sin doesn't matter."
I understand what you're saying but as someone else said in their comment, I believe Misty is BOTH a victim here, and also responsible for her part in all this. I don't believe anyone is giving her a free pass BUT they are giving an explanation as to the motivation for her behaviors. To explain it isn't to dismiss it. It simply sheds light on it, which exposes it for what it is.
And as someone who was sexually victimized at a young age, I can tell you that it negatively affects you in many different ways. It causes you to perceive things in a different light, to behave in ways that people don't understand. And then as a result, you end up being misunderstood...a lot. You do things YOU don't even understand because there's a root to the fruit that you don't know is there and it was put there because someone else sinned against you, deeply wounded you, and cared more about their evil desires than they did about harming you. And then to add even more pain to the gaping wound that you already have, people have no problem judging you from the outside when they can't discern your heart or God's heart in the matter (or simply don't want to). Only God, in His grace and infinite wisdom knows what it is, how it got there, and how to remove it. And that's my prayer for all of them - Complete restoration and healing back to the Father, to Jesus, to Holy Spirit, not to ministry or 'work' but to God's Heart.
I'm going to find out what you got you're talking about I wish you would've been a little more clear but if you want to tell me, I mean Misty I send her music to everyone. I know she is my heart and soul. She is a pure pure woman and I love her music. I listen to it almost all day long every day, if you want, how can we communicate? I hope you have my email I
blame blame. You have sinned by blaming too. SO as Jesus said . Ladies are good at blaming because that is what Serpent started with in Eden. So either Mike and you both end up forsaken by God or both be saved and forgiven. Can't have one without the other. If one of you forgive then that's up to God to judge. . However dont ever think you will go to heaven by blaming anyone.
I dont know any of you but I have an aunt in USA. I have problems with my mother too. Blame blame blame = Ladies. I am still seeking God about this.
Romans 8:9
King James Version
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Revelation 21:8
King James Version
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Do you people even know Jesus? You're so obsessed with Mike
We want the truth to come out so people can be set free. If you care about Mike Bickle, pray he confesses.
I agree with you, kind of like the tabloids
So what is a victim? A target for temptation? So then, Eve was a victim? She chose her lot. For 7 long years, all the while being in the Presence of a convicting Spirit (if she wasn't grieved, she wasn't in His Presence). It appears she chose celebrity.
What’s wrong with your eyebrows ?!
I think God may have a much different opinion as to Mike's legacy than yours lady.
That entire establishment sounds sickening. What is going on there is NOT THE TRUE GOSPEL MESSAGE OF JESUS CHRIST! That is not a church of the real JESUS CHRIST and HOLY SPIRIT of GOD. That place is a cesspool of another spirit not of the LORD full of false prophets and devil deceivers! The kind that JESUS speaks of in Matthew 7:21-23 (ESV)
22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? ' 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness. Nothing they do is true representation of who GOD & JESUS.
Yep! So sad! Praying for his soul and true repentance!
How about praying for his VICTIMS!? He's NOT a true Christian! He has NOT REPENTED for any of the sexual & spiritual harm & damage he has done to 14, 15, 17 & 19 year old GIRLS!!
You & Rick Joyner can pray for Mike and the rest of us will pray for the onslaught of VICTIMS Mike Bickle has destroyed....Geeze Louise. 🙄
HIS?
@paulbarnett736 Hallelujah!!! AMEN TO THAT PRAYER 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🎯💯🎯💯🎯💯🎯💯
@paulbarnett736 Amen to that. I just read the story of Phineas in Numbers 25 yesterday and I couldn't help but see the parallels.
"And behold, one of the people of Israel came and brought a Midianite woman to his family, in the sight of Moses and in the sight of the whole congregation of the people of Israel, while they were weeping in the entrance of the tent of meeting. When Phinehas the son of Eleazar, son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose and left the congregation and took a spear in his hand and went after the man of Israel into the chamber and pierced both of them, the man of Israel and the woman through her belly. Thus the plague on the people of Israel was stopped. Nevertheless, those who died by the plague were twenty-four thousand.
And the Lord said to Moses, “Phinehas the son of Eleazar, son of Aaron the priest, has turned back my wrath from the people of Israel, in that he was jealous with my jealousy among them, so that I did not consume the people of Israel in my jealousy. Therefore say, ‘Behold, I give to him my covenant of peace, and it shall be to him and to his descendants after him the covenant of a perpetual priesthood, because he was jealous for his God and made atonement for the people of Israel.’” - Numbers 25:6-13
Why is the man to blame? They are both at fault. Here we go again with victimization. Grow up! Admit you sinned and repent. Maybe God in his Mercy will forgive you. But for the love of God quit the victimhood mentality.
I'm sorry, you have a very biased view on everything. No one should give u as much credit as you receive. Your articles are very deceiving.
This woman is a terrible actress.
Bickle will come back ! Look at Swaggart, Baker, Hinn and etc ! How is it that Edwards is a 'victim'?
I have never loved a girl worshipper tell I met Misty. I do not believe she did that either.