Agreed, he have good content, could use some morelove , but also there is benefit for us .. not everything he does skyrockets on price the minute he shows it ;)
Just so you know, the best scarab combination to use for this tree is: (Cartography Scarabs) 1 regular, 1 of Ascension, 1 of Corruption, and 1 influencing scarab of conversion. This is because of how map drops work. Map drops are 3 to 1 on tier. When you are running all 4 void stones, maps drop start at t14. If it primes a t14 map to drop, since only t16 maps can drop, it basically adds a number to a queue. When that number hits 3, it upgrades to the next tier. On the tree it is possible to get +1 to the tier of all maps, which makes it start at t15. So instead of 9 map queues to get a map, it takes 3. Then when you add the scarab of ascension, it adds another native tier to the drop, which makes it drop every time it primes a map to drop. So basically, while duplication gives you 30% increase, and a 2nd cartography scarab gives you a 33% increase, the scarab of ascension gives you a 300% increase. When it decides you are "due" for a t17 map, it starts the queue again, so 3 maps will equal 1 t17 map. Your drops will triple if you change out one scarab.
This is incorrect, but it keeps popping up. Someone out there is spreading misinformation, and they need to be stopped. Adding further tier increases has substantial diminishing returns. Once a map is T16, increasing its tier does nothing. You get +1 tier through Watchstones and +.85 tiers through atlas passives, so the Scarab is already heavily diminished. A breakdown on reddit about this Scarab from a month or so ago showed that it's worth about 17% more T16 maps, not 300%. This not only makes it the weakest Carto Scarab, it's the weakest by a wide margin. It's always a good idea to test things that don't sound right. Claiming that a 1c scarab increases map drops by 300% is wild. Just by doing a couple of maps, you can show that this isn't correct. You won't get 30 T16 maps per map by running this Scarab. If you did, that would put you around 70+ Divines/hour, and although map farming is profitable, it's not there.
Just what i needed, not really to sell maps but id rather take like 30-60mins doing this to get 8mods of my wish rather than spending loads of currency or buying white for 1d/50 and vaaling which is dogpoop. ty for the content
Map duplication scarabs are only good when bosses are a significant factor in your map drops. That's because they are a multiplier - x1.3. In comparison, the first regular 50% more maps is x1.5 multiplier. The second 50% more maps is x1.33 multiplier. So, if you are running Jungle Valley and skipping the boss, you are always better off with x2 cheap scarabs. If you are doing the boss, the duplication becomes slightly better, but it's offset by the scarab price. What you are missing, is the ascension scarab. It's easy to miss it, but it's very good. In general, it is always worth to run it.
It's 50% increased, not 50% more. Ascension Scarab is dramatically weaker than either of the other two, and should never be used in any circumstances when running t16's.
I can tell you 100% this is wrong, I've been running a similar strategy and I've been getting a good number of t17 dupes off regular mobs not just bosses in fact more than once(been doing this for about a day now) I've duped off a regular mob and then the boss on t17 maps in one map. Dupe scarab definitely worth it
I ran this without knowing you even had a video on it. Even ran sewers/dunes for easy boss options. The difference seems to be that I used 1 cart scarabs for 50% more maps, 1 duplicate and 1 40% more magic monsters and 1 corrupt. I found that the alters often had map dup on them and the duplicate scarab in SC is 15c each as of today. In 50 maps, I received a quad tab worth of 8mod maps, 17 t17 maps and 3 random raw div. Even though I have scarabs focused on my atlas with cartography as the 100% increase, I was disappointed it wasn’t even close to keeping up with my spend. But, the t17 maps themselves were double my expenses. The extra 8mods with be my gravy and all of the dunes/toxic sewer that I sustained will keep me running for free at this point. I also learned from this experience that Burning Ground sucks. P.S. The fact that we’re running huge quant maps, I found Harvest to be incredibly profitable as something to just jump into while mapping. There’s been a few times I got 3k yellow without any atlas points or duplication.
Not sure if the 8-mod maps will actually sell, but just did a test run and its actually 15 div an hour if your build can complete maps in under 2 mins!!
They're still selling! Trying at different times of day can help, they tend to sell more quickly during daytime/evening hours in NA, rather than in the dead of night.
is there a discord link somewhere or ? I watching the whole TR PF guide as I am planning to make TR PF my main build going forward but would like some questions answered since I am ver late into the league, should I get the bow helm and lighting coil straight away and lvl with it ? I am legit lvl 2 atm at 5 you can use the bow already so thats why I am wondering ...
I'm using this stra with 8-mods Dunes and cannot get 15d/h even without Singular focus. Mostly I got 7d/hr at max when Zig maps are 0.8d/map on bulk buy TFT. What I have done wrong?
If you're going off of the WealthyExile value, it doesn't correctly estimate the value of 8-mod maps. It just calculates them as white maps, so around 2c each. That probably accounts for the difference, if it's nothing else.
Jungle Valley is valuable due to not needing to kill the boss for exarch/eater influence altars spawning with final boss modifiers. Saves you alot of time when blasting strongboxes, harvest, and etc.
Hey! Really well made video as usual! Maybe I didn't pay attention, but why do we have to ping pong between 2 maps with singular focus? Just because of the boss adjacent map drop? Sorry, also a returning player so some things are unclear still. Thanks!
It's way more common to drop a connected map then the actual map you are running. Some atlas points help there and i think it's even naturally the case. If you are farming maps like this you probably don't need to ping pong but if you are doing something else, it's really recommanded to ping pong if you don't wanna buy maps
Since you've done a few different strats, what do you recommend for someone just getting going in the league? I haven't had much playtime yet do to IRL stuff and I'm just getting to t16
T6 Essences are the best low-end strat for getting up and running, then Harvest once you're comfortable doing t16's, and corrupted 8-mod map farming once you're zooming.
i think jun (betrayal) is also never bad to have. you just need to get safehouses nowadays and do the occasional bossfight and if you get the orb it really can kickstart your league. same with adorned frag from delve boss but you would have to delve for that xd
@@joeanon8568 yea that sucks :S you can get unlucky for sure but its not that many points and i like to do it while completing my atlas (was a jun main before the rework but i hate the "0" skill only lucky state that its in now)
Is there some connection with Toxic Sewer and T17 Ziggurat map drop chance? Why was Toxic Sewer chosen over something like Jungle Valley, Crimson Temple, Cemetery, etc.? Might give this a go. Thank you.
T17 map drops depend on the map you are in when dropping them. Also you run toxic sewer to have a pretty high chance to get dune mals to drop them in since it's a connected map. You could run waste pool, which has a very simular layout,to gre jungle vally maps but both of them have a meh boss compared to toxic sewer/dunes
That's it! Waste Pool and Jungle Valley also both drop Abomination, which at this point is a cheaper map than Fortress (Dunes) or Ziggurat (Toxic Sewer).
can i ask, what did you say at 1 min in the video.. "i dont offer to rag axx for people" could i ask what does that mean, or i just prolly missheard you but i cant figure it out :d thanks
well tbh, never thought i would have fun farming maps .. but it is fun even tho im not selling them cause im not using that hmmm how is it called that DC discord ? TFT ? But having supply 8mod maps for myself is good feeling , thanks mate , could that TR do that extrem expedition ? looking for build for that it looks like insane fun .. extremely hard with those mods.(something even me as casual can affrod XD ). Everyone says this make 20+ 30+50+10000000+ but thats for TFT players :( Im playing for fun , not another work
Well im doing something similar but im doing T17 Ziggurat with BTB & 8mod maps scarabs, getting 20-40maps(67pb) per run and in combination with the uber Fragments I get 2-6div per map (takes like 6-7minutes to run with decent build), I just sell them in bulk after that dunes/jungle valley with rejex can go up to 15c per. You should try it its decent for content i guess if u want ofc gl!
Hi Llarold, thanks for the strategy, watch your first video about farming maps some weeks ago, and happens to suite just perfect the off meta build i was planning to play this league, so spent some of the time, trying to min max it to suite this strat. Currently running 2 maps per minute, full clear (strand btw) help me out to farm mi first mirror. Uploaded a video of the build to my channel if u are interested. Not share the pob yet before solving some of the last issiues or variants of the build for bosses. Anyway, thanks for the content, and the information, help me out with the scarab selection for the strat, cheers!
@@k1ngjam3s67 yeah it's a different craft so as long as it has enough charges to be reused when the effect runs out it'll trigger it again. see a lot of stuff like pathfinders with it with all the charge recovery.
Yea, this one is a bit misleading. I was farming 8 mod maps with my strongboxes and I had like 500 maps in the end. I listed on TFT for 8c each and I did not sell single one. Maybe you have to be lucky to get picked among the other 300 people selling 8 mod maps.
Hate to tell you this but scarabs are used in every strat now. They removed sextants so scarabs are the focus now. If you are doing maps with 4 empty fragment slots you are shooting yourself in the foot
Lol. You're saying that no one wants these maps to someone who has sold literally hundreds this league and thousands across past leagues. Yes, they do.
@@exiledzana1169 I’ve had them priced throughout the week of farming and only had 2 buyers. That’s what is hard about it. And before people get more judgy: Yes, I’ve adjusted the price every time I logged in and yes, I’ve put it in chat. It just moves a lot slower than juice in my experience.
very underrated content creator, you deserve more subs! keep up the incredibly awesome work!
Thank you!
Agreed, he have good content, could use some morelove , but also there is benefit for us .. not everything he does skyrockets on price the minute he shows it ;)
Fantastic video. This is the most chill but rewarding thing I've done in PoE for a not insanely strong build. Thanks
Glad to help!
@@PathofEvening famed 75 divines today with this and was able to craft end game gear for my ea ballista champ. Thanks dude!
Just so you know, the best scarab combination to use for this tree is: (Cartography Scarabs) 1 regular, 1 of Ascension, 1 of Corruption, and 1 influencing scarab of conversion. This is because of how map drops work. Map drops are 3 to 1 on tier. When you are running all 4 void stones, maps drop start at t14. If it primes a t14 map to drop, since only t16 maps can drop, it basically adds a number to a queue. When that number hits 3, it upgrades to the next tier. On the tree it is possible to get +1 to the tier of all maps, which makes it start at t15. So instead of 9 map queues to get a map, it takes 3. Then when you add the scarab of ascension, it adds another native tier to the drop, which makes it drop every time it primes a map to drop. So basically, while duplication gives you 30% increase, and a 2nd cartography scarab gives you a 33% increase, the scarab of ascension gives you a 300% increase. When it decides you are "due" for a t17 map, it starts the queue again, so 3 maps will equal 1 t17 map. Your drops will triple if you change out one scarab.
This is incorrect, but it keeps popping up. Someone out there is spreading misinformation, and they need to be stopped.
Adding further tier increases has substantial diminishing returns. Once a map is T16, increasing its tier does nothing. You get +1 tier through Watchstones and +.85 tiers through atlas passives, so the Scarab is already heavily diminished. A breakdown on reddit about this Scarab from a month or so ago showed that it's worth about 17% more T16 maps, not 300%. This not only makes it the weakest Carto Scarab, it's the weakest by a wide margin.
It's always a good idea to test things that don't sound right. Claiming that a 1c scarab increases map drops by 300% is wild. Just by doing a couple of maps, you can show that this isn't correct. You won't get 30 T16 maps per map by running this Scarab. If you did, that would put you around 70+ Divines/hour, and although map farming is profitable, it's not there.
Just what i needed, not really to sell maps but id rather take like 30-60mins doing this to get 8mods of my wish rather than spending loads of currency or buying white for 1d/50 and vaaling which is dogpoop. ty for the content
Glad to help!
Map duplication scarabs are only good when bosses are a significant factor in your map drops. That's because they are a multiplier - x1.3. In comparison, the first regular 50% more maps is x1.5 multiplier. The second 50% more maps is x1.33 multiplier. So, if you are running Jungle Valley and skipping the boss, you are always better off with x2 cheap scarabs. If you are doing the boss, the duplication becomes slightly better, but it's offset by the scarab price. What you are missing, is the ascension scarab. It's easy to miss it, but it's very good. In general, it is always worth to run it.
It's 50% increased, not 50% more. Ascension Scarab is dramatically weaker than either of the other two, and should never be used in any circumstances when running t16's.
I can tell you 100% this is wrong, I've been running a similar strategy and I've been getting a good number of t17 dupes off regular mobs not just bosses in fact more than once(been doing this for about a day now) I've duped off a regular mob and then the boss on t17 maps in one map. Dupe scarab definitely worth it
I ran this without knowing you even had a video on it. Even ran sewers/dunes for easy boss options.
The difference seems to be that I used 1 cart scarabs for 50% more maps, 1 duplicate and 1 40% more magic monsters and 1 corrupt. I found that the alters often had map dup on them and the duplicate scarab in SC is 15c each as of today.
In 50 maps, I received a quad tab worth of 8mod maps, 17 t17 maps and 3 random raw div.
Even though I have scarabs focused on my atlas with cartography as the 100% increase, I was disappointed it wasn’t even close to keeping up with my spend. But, the t17 maps themselves were double my expenses. The extra 8mods with be my gravy and all of the dunes/toxic sewer that I sustained will keep me running for free at this point.
I also learned from this experience that Burning Ground sucks.
P.S. The fact that we’re running huge quant maps, I found Harvest to be incredibly profitable as something to just jump into while mapping. There’s been a few times I got 3k yellow without any atlas points or duplication.
True, you can slap in a league mechanic of your choice to really juice it with all the map IIQ if you choose not to run B2B!
There are so many people posting on TFT for 8 mod map, had to keep posting to have some sales, just wondering do random maps really sell.
It's a competitive market! Supply is high, but demand: also high!
Not sure if the 8-mod maps will actually sell, but just did a test run and its actually 15 div an hour if your build can complete maps in under 2 mins!!
They're still selling! Trying at different times of day can help, they tend to sell more quickly during daytime/evening hours in NA, rather than in the dead of night.
@@PathofEvening 100% right with the timing thing, its very noticable here in Australia
Can i farm maps on Toxic Sewers hoping to get Dunes, and use the Dunes to do Harvest and get more Toxic Sewers to farm maps again, back and forth ?
Yup!
If you are running the 8 mods corrupted maps that drops with the scarab, you can remove chiseled perfection as they dont have quality on them.
Good call, although some of them will randomly drop with a bit of quality, that's pretty rare, and it's not always 20%.
is there a discord link somewhere or ? I watching the whole TR PF guide as I am planning to make TR PF my main build going forward but would like some questions answered since I am ver late into the league, should I get the bow helm and lighting coil straight away and lvl with it ? I am legit lvl 2 atm at 5 you can use the bow already so thats why I am wondering ...
No discord, no time for managing it. And yeah, leveling with a Quill Rain is great!
I'm using this stra with 8-mods Dunes and cannot get 15d/h even without Singular focus. Mostly I got 7d/hr at max when Zig maps are 0.8d/map on bulk buy TFT. What I have done wrong?
He's clearing his maps in 2min. Are you that quick too?
@@Asymat I'm using Exilecat BV Occult, I think I also cleared entire map in 1m
If you're going off of the WealthyExile value, it doesn't correctly estimate the value of 8-mod maps. It just calculates them as white maps, so around 2c each. That probably accounts for the difference, if it's nothing else.
Noob here following your guides. What maps to you have set as favourites for this? Thanks.
Toxic Sewer & Dunes.
Jungle Valley is valuable due to not needing to kill the boss for exarch/eater influence altars spawning with final boss modifiers. Saves you alot of time when blasting strongboxes, harvest, and etc.
Yup, but not great for actually doing this strategy since killing the boss is a high chance of getting another map or two.
@@PathofEvening so wich map would you recommend
Hey! Really well made video as usual! Maybe I didn't pay attention, but why do we have to ping pong between 2 maps with singular focus? Just because of the boss adjacent map drop? Sorry, also a returning player so some things are unclear still. Thanks!
It's way more common to drop a connected map then the actual map you are running. Some atlas points help there and i think it's even naturally the case.
If you are farming maps like this you probably don't need to ping pong but if you are doing something else, it's really recommanded to ping pong if you don't wanna buy maps
This is it!
Since you've done a few different strats, what do you recommend for someone just getting going in the league? I haven't had much playtime yet do to IRL stuff and I'm just getting to t16
T6 Essences are the best low-end strat for getting up and running, then Harvest once you're comfortable doing t16's, and corrupted 8-mod map farming once you're zooming.
i think jun (betrayal) is also never bad to have. you just need to get safehouses nowadays and do the occasional bossfight and if you get the orb it really can kickstart your league. same with adorned frag from delve boss but you would have to delve for that xd
@@johannes1022 Jun was my opening and it was terrible! Unlocked all my crafts but made ~0 div from lots of safehouse and boss runs.
@@joeanon8568 yea that sucks :S you can get unlucky for sure but its not that many points and i like to do it while completing my atlas (was a jun main before the rework but i hate the "0" skill only lucky state that its in now)
you are right to not spec into torment for this. I don't think the tormented spirits that are lanterned respect the tree.
Great!
Is there some connection with Toxic Sewer and T17 Ziggurat map drop chance? Why was Toxic Sewer chosen over something like Jungle Valley, Crimson Temple, Cemetery, etc.? Might give this a go. Thank you.
T17 drop in specific map , and yes toxic sewer drop ziguray . Crimson and cemetry drop sanctuary
T17 map drops depend on the map you are in when dropping them.
Also you run toxic sewer to have a pretty high chance to get dune mals to drop them in since it's a connected map.
You could run waste pool, which has a very simular layout,to gre jungle vally maps but both of them have a meh boss compared to toxic sewer/dunes
That's it! Waste Pool and Jungle Valley also both drop Abomination, which at this point is a cheaper map than Fortress (Dunes) or Ziggurat (Toxic Sewer).
can i ask, what did you say at 1 min in the video.. "i dont offer to rag axx for people" could i ask what does that mean, or i just prolly missheard you but i cant figure it out :d thanks
regex, some people can't run all mods so they give you a filter to exclude certain maps. generally there's a price premium for doing that
Yup, this site right here: poe.re/#/maps
You can do it, you can usually charge about 50% more if you do, but it's tedious.
is there an update for this tree? my atlas tree is not the same that is showing in this video
This video is from 3 months and a patch ago. For current strategies, see our recent videos.
well tbh, never thought i would have fun farming maps .. but it is fun even tho im not selling them cause im not using that hmmm how is it called that DC discord ? TFT ? But having supply 8mod maps for myself is good feeling , thanks mate , could that TR do that extrem expedition ? looking for build for that it looks like insane fun .. extremely hard with those mods.(something even me as casual can affrod XD ). Everyone says this make 20+ 30+50+10000000+ but thats for TFT players :( Im playing for fun , not another work
Yeah, TFT does play a big role for many players.
So if you want dunes map you run a map connected to it and not dune itself?
Yup.
Well im doing something similar but im doing T17 Ziggurat with BTB & 8mod maps scarabs, getting 20-40maps(67pb) per run and in combination with the uber Fragments I get 2-6div per map (takes like 6-7minutes to run with decent build), I just sell them in bulk after that dunes/jungle valley with rejex can go up to 15c per. You should try it its decent for content i guess if u want ofc gl!
Sounds like a fun strat!
Hi Llarold, thanks for the strategy, watch your first video about farming maps some weeks ago, and happens to suite just perfect the off meta build i was planning to play this league, so spent some of the time, trying to min max it to suite this strat. Currently running 2 maps per minute, full clear (strand btw) help me out to farm mi first mirror. Uploaded a video of the build to my channel if u are interested. Not share the pob yet before solving some of the last issiues or variants of the build for bosses. Anyway, thanks for the content, and the information, help me out with the scarab selection for the strat, cheers!
Glad to help!
Umm, doesn't Back to basics already block the extra stuff like Ritual etc?
It's about blocking their scarabs from dropping.
why do u rec hunter traitor over adversary scarab?
more monsters?
Yes.
If I get singular focus can I still get t17 maps?
Yes
Why are his flask going off constantly in hideout? Keybind ?
enchant at bench "reused at the end of this flask's effect"
So not the same as used when full?
@@k1ngjam3s67 yeah it's a different craft so as long as it has enough charges to be reused when the effect runs out it'll trigger it again. see a lot of stuff like pathfinders with it with all the charge recovery.
Actually hes using "use when charges reach full" and his belt is constantly givin him charges
Ok, the belt makes sense because my flask never does that in hideout.
I would like to see strongboxes expensive and cheap option
Thank you for the suggestion!
but how do sell the 8 mod maps?
On Discord TFT
^ or maxroll
Man is it easy to sell 8 mod? I tried early league on tft and got like 100+ but no one bought, I ended up using it myself for the challenges
No its not. Some ppl with approach u with regex and u might be able to sell like 5% of ur maps
Yea, this one is a bit misleading. I was farming 8 mod maps with my strongboxes and I had like 500 maps in the end. I listed on TFT for 8c each and I did not sell single one. Maybe you have to be lucky to get picked among the other 300 people selling 8 mod maps.
Had no issues.
very nice strat
Thanks!
8 mod hard sell ;( and guardian corrupted map
how to fast sell
There are tools for that
Making a video where you have to use Tft is brave my guy.
Eh, we'll deal with the fallout in the comments. It was right before the Maxroll launch
Why you farm in toxic sewer ?
As said in the video, it drops Ziggurat.
STrong boxes plus 8 mod.
Yeah, that works!
how to do it without tft?
You don't
Maxroll just dropped a bulk sell site and a discord. Fuck tft
@@BGriffith85 can it sell 8mod maps?
Crazy timing this was
TFT? NTY.
Makes things easier
good strat
Thank you!
that just sounds tedious.though better than fucking coffins.
Well, it's a game.
Man, post a strat that doesnt use scarabs plz, i hate trading...
Hate to tell you this but scarabs are used in every strat now. They removed sextants so scarabs are the focus now. If you are doing maps with 4 empty fragment slots you are shooting yourself in the foot
Correct! Asking to not use scarabs in an endgame strategy is like asking to not use ingredients in a cooking recipe. No!
@@PathofEvening so, Unwavering Vision is useless? or ur just too dumb to create a strat that uses it?
It's useless for endgame strategies.
nobody want these 8 mod maps they are no chiselt and have low quant on it
Lol. You're saying that no one wants these maps to someone who has sold literally hundreds this league and thousands across past leagues. Yes, they do.
People buy these maps so fast by the handful of
selling on tft? get the f out of my newsfeed.
How to sound stupid any% speedrun, it's you ghost lololol.
i agree i hate tft how do to withouit it?
@@Josh-lk7viit’s not really. You just convert
@@Josh-lk7vi how it is hard to price your deafening and shrieking essences 1/x div and sell them in bulk?
@@exiledzana1169 I’ve had them priced throughout the week of farming and only had 2 buyers. That’s what is hard about it.
And before people get more judgy: Yes, I’ve adjusted the price every time I logged in and yes, I’ve put it in chat.
It just moves a lot slower than juice in my experience.
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We're first :D