@jcchannel1122 0 seconds ago Hahaha victory? None sense. You can never victory unless you accept Jesus is Lord and Savior. In your blindedness your leader tells the truth but the bible tell us the trurh very clear that Jesus is God.. you cannot change the bible with your often times debate. 🤣😆🤣
Look at when Jesus was baptized. The HS descended out of heaven in the form of a dove and then the Father spoke: "This is my Son in whom I am well-pleased."
The word, Trinity, is not in the Bible but so aren't many other words. Doesn't mean it's non existent. The essence of the Trinity is indeed in the Bible. SRIIM
"CHURCH and BAPTISM and FAITH" Well I'm not a pastor or preacher or a scholar of the bible in which I should be very good at it. We're just an ordinary member of the church we always learn because we're being taught always, and guess what? The Fact that this INC Church always nourishing our soul through teaching in the bible it's not only makes us believe but it's actually strengthen our chance to attain the Life Eternal.
Does Jesus have a God? "Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God." (John 20:17)
do not refer only in one to two verses... read the whole bible so that you will understand the mystery of God and the Trinity...do not just listen to your minister...they did all that to brainwashed people and to stand to their founder belief... Felix Manalo is unbiblical he claim the status of cyrus the great in Isaiah 46:11...and they believed that felix manalo is an angel in the revelation omg.. what a big cult.
Can you explain these verses? In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” -John 1:1-3, 14, 18 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” -John 20:28 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. -Philippians 2:5-8
@@joandelacruz4683 you are the one who must read the whole bible so that you will understand who the only true god,,, and you must also read the word angel in dictionary,,,,
@ vince relax ka lang sa maling pagpaparatang. ang INC ay hindi kulto dahil ito ang katawan ni Cristo sa makatuwid bagay ang Iglesia. walang kulto na nagnanais magtamo ang lahat ng tao ng kaligtasan sa pamamagitan ng pagpapalawig ng aral hindi lamang dito sa bansa maging sa buong mundo. magsuri ka sa INC malaya kang magtanong sa mga doktrina at pamamahayag para malaman mo ang tunay na aral. walang masama sa pagsusuri. may proseso ang paganib sa INC pinakamabilis na ang 6 na buwan. umaasa kami...
Fake News yan brod Basa ka ng Bible Para alam mo ANG TOTOO 😂 Iglesia ni Cristo always used Acts 20:28 Lamsa and Col 1:18 to PROVED that Iglesia Cult is the TRUE CHURCH (The Truth is INC is a CULT) Acts 20:28 and Col 1:18 TUNAY NA SINASABI Sino ba ang TUNAY na KATAWAN? ang INCult o TAO/BELIEVERS? Col 1:18 At siya ang ulo ng KATAWAN, sa makatuwid baga'y ng iglesia; na siya ang pasimula, ang panganay sa mga patay; upang sa lahat ng mga bagay, ay magkaroon siya ng kadakilaan. May mababasa ba na IGLESIA NI CRISTO sa TALATA? WALA! ang mababasa ay ang KATAWAN o "iglesia" SINO ba ang TINUTUKOY dito? SASAGUTIN tayo ng BIBLIYA HINDI PASUGO 1 Cor 6:15 MBB Hindi ba ninyo nalalaman na KAYO'Y mga BAHAGI ng KATAWAN ni CRISTO? 1 Cor 12:27 MBB KAYO ngang LAHAT ang IISANG KATAWAN ni CRISTO at bawat isay BAHAGI NITO. Eph 3:6 Na ang mga Gentil ay mga tagapagmana, at mga KASANGKAP ng KATAWAN, at mga may bahagi sa pangako na kay Cristo Jesus sa pamamagitan ng evangelio, Eph 5:30 MBB TAYOY mga bahagi ng kanyang KATAWAN. Col 1:18 BUKO na ang TAO o BELIEVERS ang KATAWAN ni CRISTO at HINDI IGLESIA NI MANALO SINO ang BINILI? INC o TAO BELIEVERS NGAYON punta naman TAYO sa Acts 20:28 ACTS 20:28 LAMSA - The common noun, "church of Christ":. "Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock ove which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, to feed the church of Christ which he has purchased with his blood." -Acts 20:28 Pahayag 5:9 at BINILI MO sa Dios ng iyong dugo ang MGA TAO sa bawa't angkan, at wika, at bayan, at bansa. 1 Cor 6:20 BINILI niya KAYO sa malaking halaga. Kaya gamitin ninyo ang INYONG KATAWAN upang maparangalan ang Diyos. 1 Corinthians 7:23 BINILI KAYO ng Diyos sa malaking halaga; huwag kayong paalipin sa tao. In English 1 Cor 6:20 AMP YOU were bought with a price [purchased with a preciousness and paid for, made His own]. So then, honor God and bring glory to Him in your body. 1 Cor 7:23 AMP YOU were bought with a price [purchased with a preciousness and paid for by Christ]; then do not yield yourselves up to become [in your own estimation] slaves to men [but consider yourselves slaves to Christ]. Rev 5:9 AMP And [now] they sing a new song, saying, You are worthy to take the scroll and to break the seals that are on it, for You were slain (sacrificed), and with Your blood You PURCHASED MEN unto God from every tribe and language and people and nation. "KAYO" "YOU" means PEOPLE/BELIEVERS at HINDI LITERAL na "iglesia ni Cristo" ang BINILI kundi ang TAO/BELIEVERS THE VERSE SAYS, "For YOU were bought at a price;.." The pronoun YOU refers to the people because only people can glorify God with their body and spirit. Thats why the BIBLE SPEAKOUT that the BODY is the PEOPLE\BELIEVERS OF CHRIST and God\Christ PURCHASED also believers NOT IGLESIA NI CRISTO... At ang ITINAYO na "iglesia" ay BELIEVERS NOT IGLESIA NI CRISTO 1914 dahil sa panahong 1914 ay WALA NA ang HUMAN NATURE ng DIYOS na si Jesus LUPA samakatuwid ay MALI ang BLOGS ng INC 1914 Members :) Like the Bible said... 2 Pedro 1:20 SND Higit sa lahat, dapat ninyong unang malaman na alinmang pahayag sa kasulatan ay HINDI NAGBUHAT sa SARILING PALIWANAG. As you can see the BIBLE DEMOLISHED YOUR SELF INTERPRETATION and YOUR MINISTER INTERPRETATION :)
Katawan ni kristo o kinatawan ni manalo Malinaw nmn c manalo ang nag tayo at nag rehistro NG inc o iglesia ng cash Sa s.e.c 1914 D si kristo ang nagtatag kundi c manalo Malinaw Ginamit ni manalo ang pangalan ni kristo para magkapera
@@rodneyvillamor5439 Paumanhin po. Ano po iyang punch card at bundy clock na sinasabi mo? Sa maraming taon ko na rin po sa loob po ng Iglesia Ni Cristo wala pong ganiyan. Dati po akong katoliko na ngayon ay INC . Hindi rin po nagdodoble lagak kapag absent o hindi nakadalo sa pagsamba. Wala pong namimilit o nagdidikta kung ilan ang ihahandog. Pasya po ng puso. Yun lamang po. Pwede ka naman po magsalita pero wag po sana kasinungalingan o tsismis lang.
@@rodneyvillamor5439 Tama alangan Naman baba pa si Cristo dito SA pilipinas para ipatala Ang kanyang iglesiA Kaya Tama Lang na si ka felix Ang Inutusan ni Cristo Kasi Kung ikaw ... Ang ipatala mo SA pilipinas igesia ni hudas.. kasi pangalan mo ay hudas Kaya sunod SA pangalan mo...
Guys guys guys. Saying the word "Trinity" doesn't show up in the Bible, therefore it's not true, is an extremely poor argument. I believe God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent., and I think you would agree with me. Last time I checked those specific words aren't found in the Bible. In Luke 18, Jesus said "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone." He never said "I'm not good". He just asked a question. He went on to later call Himself the GOOD Shepherd in John 10. Now why would he do that if He truly wasn't God?
Lightning Bolt No one is good but God alone, ALL have sinned and come short of God's glory, there's none righteous but God (Romans 3:23). That's why Jesus is sinless and perfect.
Lightning Bolt, here is why you are still lost and going to Christless eternity, listen carefully and watch how you doomed yourself to hell.You said: "so Jesus Christ is also HOLY...and I guess no arguments about this. But the PROBLEM is your conclusion; God is Holy Jesus is Holy therefore Jesus is God... right??? WRONG ...then you said ..."so if it is ONLY God who is GOOD.... NO ONE will be saved so what is the point of all these? We have to do GOOD to be saved.MY ANSWER to your delusional erroneous belief; you have a wrong understanding of the word "GOOD and HOLY" first good is a title that only God deserved to be called. while holy is a different thing "holy means set apart" when the Lords Jesus said no one is good he means no one is good but God, Paul affirms in Romans 3:10"10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: everyone fall into sin no one is good!!!! Isaiah 64:6 6But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; Titus 3:5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us,You said :..."NO ONE will be saved so what is the point of all these? We have to do GOOD to be saved. MY ANSWER: Ephesian 2:8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:9Not of works, lest any man should boast. no good works can merit righteousness ; it is only through the mercy of God. unless you acknowledge that you are not capable of saving yourself and it's only God who can save you, you can not be saved. Gal 2:16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Law is good deeds and no man can follow the Law everyone fall, James 2:10 says if you break one law you are guilty of all, and no man was able to do. that's why Jesus satisfy the law by fulfilling it. No one is good! but God. this is an indirect revelation of Jesus to the young ruler!!!only God is GOOD!! as I have said the Bible is solid in saying that; Psalms 14:3They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Psalms 53:The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good. a fool think he is good enough before a holy God, but God said you are a fool!!!!! it is very interesting that Lightning Bolt try to appear scholar by using corrupt translation, to proved his erroneous belief. and notice he used different translation to suit his preconceived opinion, that's deceiving and cunning. he is not true to the teaching of the scriptures and theologically erroneous. Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.And Jesus said unto him,.... The same as in Mat_. 19:17, on Matthew 19:17. Why callest thou me good? This is said, not as denying that he was good, or as being angry with him for calling him so, but in order to lead this young man to a true knowledge of him, and his goodness, and even of his proper deity: there is none good, but one, that is, God; some render it, "but one God", as the Vulgate Latin, Syriac, and Arabic versions; and so the words are a proof of the unity of the divine being, and agree with Deuteronomy 6:4, but are not to be understood to the exclusion of the Son and Spirit, who, with the Father, are the one God: nor do these words at all militate against the deity of Christ, or prove that he is not God, as the Jew objects (a); seeing this is not to be understood of the person of the Father, in opposition to the Son and Spirit, who are equally good: nor does Christ, in these words, deny himself to be God, but rather tacitly suggests it; since he is good in the same sense in which God is good: in Matthew it is added, "but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments", Matthew 19:17, this Christ said not as his sense, that the way to eternal life lies in keeping the commandments of the law; but he speaks in the language of the Pharisees, and of this man; and his view is, to bring him to a sense of the impossibility of obtaining eternal life by these things, as the sequel shows: wherefore the above Jew (b) has no reason to confront the followers of Jesus with this passage, as if it was a concession of his, that it is impossible any should be saved without keeping the commands of the law of Moses. enjoy!!! that's the clear teaching from he Holy Scriptures.
Ha! ha! ha! as usual you did not answer my post lightning bolt I have stopped your foul mouth didn't I??? and what else did you do nothing, you didn't even try to touched anything that I've said. surely you can't answer because you don't know anything about the doctrine of salvation. All you know is to stay inside the pointed bldg. of INC and think you are secure of not going to hell. he! he! he! I have bad news for you. trusting your church membership salvation is not found in the Holy Scriptures. he! he! he! and for your information, you are the only one who don't know what religion I belong to!!! so bad luck you don't get to know. although you can know my citizenship heaven!!! I live in unit 3/7th floor halleluiah street post code kJV 1611. HA! HA! HA! I THINK I 'M pretty sure I know where you are residing unit 6/66 Condemnation Avenue fire & Brimstone Hell post code 0000. Regarding your 1 John 5:7 aren't you supposed to say something about it???? Did God made a mistake of putting the verse in the Bible??? you're supposed to disproved the verse and use the Bible comparing scripture to scriptures that the doctrine is not found in the Holy Scriptures!!! but I think you are not capable to dismissed the truthin the verse. bad luck again. my advice go and ask your superior to help you. maybe EVM your IDOL!! ha! ha! ha! you are asking me for answer, when you haven't have a question. how is that possible????come on!! loserrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!! part 2 by the way you didn't thank me for educating you about the real meaning of "GOOD" and " HOLY" he! he! he! he!
Lightning Bolt the Jehovah witness with mask!!! pretending to be INC!!! what did I say to you??? Did God allow error in his Holy Scriptures??? Psalms 12:7; I timothy 3:16 you haven't answered any of these lingering questions. if there is someone need to explain anything it is you!!! the burden is on your side because I don't agree to the notion that God allow mistakes in His words. perhaps the Watchtower translation is full of horrible contradiction, why don't you investigate ??? and for you to used other translation is a pity, because you know 100% that your own Bible the watchtower the new world translation is good for rubbish bin. Ha! ha! ha! ha! and I'm still waiting for your compliment in educating you about the meaning of "Holy" and Good" he! he! he! also don't forget, I debunked your erroneous belief on Salvation!!!! so stopped spreading your lies and erroneous theology. ha! ha! ha! loserrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!! part 2 and false prophet of the 21st century!!!! did your watchtower predicted another second coming????? ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! I am going to follow you and debunked and crash , smash every Satan's doctrines you are spreading in the thread!!!!! Ha! ha! ha! you want to prey on the weak!!!!! sorry!!! I'm your worse nightmare!!!
He! he! he! until you answer the lingering questions!!! then you can probably hear from me about your inquiry!!! until then I'll be following and debunking your erroneous belief!!! I will stop you spreading the watchtower masonry!!! cults!!! you are a cult and I'm going to exposed everything about Jehovah witnesseshorrible belief. So you will know that you are lost and on your way to a Christless eternity. !!!loserrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!part 2
1520 BCE: Moses recognized 1 God-the FATHER (Deut. 32:3-4,6) 1000 BCE: King David recognized 1 God-the FATHER (Psalm 89:26) 460 BCE: The prophet Isaiah recognized 1 God-the FATHER (Is. 63:15 & 64:4-8) 370 BCE: Malachi recognized 1 God-the FATHER (Mal. 2:10) 30 AD: Jesus attested that the FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD (John 17:1-3) 55 AD: Apostle Paul attested that there is ONLY ONE GOD - the FATHER (1 Cor. 8:6A) 60 AD: Apostle Paul attested that there is ONLY ONE GOD - the FATHER (Eph. 4:6) 63 AD: Apostle Peter attested that there is ONLY ONE GOD - the FATHER (1 Peter 1:2-3) 2nd Century : Trinity? ? what happened? ? False prophets will rise and teach false teachings(Acts 20:29-30). “10 The Man of Evil will use every kind of evil to fool those who are lost. THEY ARE LOST BECAUSE THEY REFUSED TO LOVE THE TRUTH AND BE SAVED. 11 SO GOD WILL SEND THEM SOMETHING POWERFUL THAT LEADS THEM AWAY FROM THE TRUTH AND CAUSES THEM TO BELIEVE A LIE. 12 They will all be condemned because they did not believe the truth and because they enjoyed doing evil.” (2 Thes. 2:10-12)
In Acts 10:38, it is written, "how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him." This verse does not imply that Jesus anointed himself. Instead, it highlights that God the Father anointed Jesus with the Holy Spirit and power for his ministry on earth. The anointing with the Holy Spirit was a significant event in Jesus' life, marking the beginning of his public ministry and empowering him to perform miracles, preach the gospel, and fulfill his mission to save humanity.
Everyone are welcome to examine our beliefs and teachings inside the iglesia ni Cristo,. Let us all have an open heart and let the truth of God guide us. Praises be unto God.
None of those biblical texts say God CANNOT be a man, but say that God IS not a man, a major difference: "God IS not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?" Numbers 23:19"And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or have regret, for he IS not a man, that he should have regret." 1 Samuel 15:29"I will not execute my burning anger; I will not again destroy Ephraim; for I am God and not a man, the Holy One in your midst, and I will not come in wrath." Hosea 11:9It is true that during the Old Testament period God hadn’t become a man, but this doesn’t deny that God could choose to later become a man, specifically in the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Hebrew Bible itself supports the view that God can become a man, without ceasing to be God, since there are places where God appeared in human form:God is a Spirit whose residence is in the spiritual realm, But do God stays in the spiritual realm and did not manifest itself in the physical Realm, that is a big falsehood, God do manifest himself in our Physical world and has no limitation to itself unlike what other false religion is saying, in order to justify that Jesus could not be a God, and that God cannot become human. Daniel 7:13 - "I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him.
Juan 15:19 19 Kung kayo'y taga sanglibutan, ay iibigin ng sanglibutan ang kaniyang sarili: nguni't sapagka't kayo'y hindi taga sanglibutan, kundi kayo'y hinirang ko sa sanglibutan, kaya napopoot sa inyo ang sanglibutan.
I was a street child before growing without parents guidance,live in many places and meet different families with different religion.when i'm grew old i'm become a gangster,sexual immoral with gay and woman,robber and specially become an addict..i've been attending mormons church,born again christian,baptist,and many christian churches one of this is IGlesia ni CRISTO.but all i attending church only iglesia ni cristo doctrine is real truth..because of this church i know GOD the father and JESUS our savior..i'm catholic for how many years but i'm empty of this church like other churches i attend thier doctrine is not based on the bible..when i'm become an addict for how many years what i heard and learn the teaching of iglesia ni cristo or church of christ when i'm taking drugs i pray GOD the father asking him why i' grow in unfortunate family very poor and why he let my father died when i'm a child and my sister and brothers are young causing our family suffer in poverty and very poor almost no food to eat..I blame him and mad him why he let my family in that situation causing all suffer and i'm become a street child and become like this a sinner,a very wicked man..EVEN i'm addict I love reading bible cause what i learn of this church of christ and I believe there is GOD and JESUS...for how many years i praying GOD the father one night when i'm taking drugs as my life routine and praying him ,GOD answer me ,by and angel a man wearing robe upper in my right side and he closed my mouth by his right hand and tell me tell them that the end of the world is near,the great day will come the the coming of JESUS the judgement day,,his word will feel in my mind,my soul and i feel peace but i ask him what is the sign,the place will change the sun becomes bigger and hotter and he show the world and everything on it will melt and all wicked human because of too much heat ,i saw it all on this world/earth will useless in that time because it like a lava color red all over the place and no way to run,GOD has no mercy of this time of the wicked,i heard and and saw how things and all on this world will consume of this fire like a lava of volcano..since that I've change i cried and ask forgiveness and ask him give me a chance to help my family and change my life...GOD answer me and loves me and give me a chance..since that i decide to study even i'm old as self financial ,i'm a working student since elementary to college.i strive hard cause i knew GOD is there watching me even i'm a sinner how much more if i'm strive to be a good in his sight,,in GOD bless i finish college 4 years after i graduate i go abroad in small salary but i already give help my family,,.GOD SEND ME ABROAD WITHOUT MONEY I PASSED the middle east advance technician scholarship thats why i go abroad freely..this is my prove why I WILL told everybody that teaching of iglesia ni CRISTO OR CHURCH OF CHRIST doctrine is ONLY ONE GOD the father alone and JESUS our savior no way that GOD is trinity..i burned many idols and graven images and i can never finish the worship if i attend another churches christian church, when saw a miracle the end of the world and the palace in heaven which the angel a man wearing robe show me and told me what the bible said,IGLESIA NI CRISTO IS THE CHURCH alone teach that the father of JESUS is the only GOD and prove it my self this faith have the greatest chance to life in heaven and be save by JESUS in his coming day..this is the only church of CHRIST,and by GOD..
Too bad you are just been shackled by the Devil even more!!!! You are following an illiterate founder of yours!!! who cannot read English much more of the greek text!!! No wonder he was messed up with his doctrines!!! You worship Jesus as Lord how???? ha! ha! ha! ha! do you tell Jesus I'm worshipping you as Lord and not as God??? or do you whisper to the Father " I am worshipping you as God and not as Lord like Jesus???" lol!!!
if you analyze thoroughly why Jesus was baptized. In Christian belief, Jesus' baptism was not about cleansing from sin, as it is for others, but rather it was a public declaration of his ministry and identification with humanity. By being baptized, Jesus was showing his solidarity with human beings, demonstrating his willingness to fulfill all righteousness, and setting an example for his followers. The baptism also marked the beginning of his public ministry, as it was after his baptism that he began his preaching and performing miracles.
Even when the truth is shown to men, they will still reject it - You don't argue with the truth - as long as you argue with the truth it will never be reviewed to you... all you need to do is to ASK and pray because Jesus said ask and it shall be given to you . GENESIS 1:26 is cleared, the TRINITY is speaking ( LET US make man in our own IMAGE ) GENESIS 11:7 creation of languages LET's US go down and confuse their language ( JOHN 10:30) Jesus clearly said that me and my father is ONE GOD the Father God the SON ( WORD ) God the Holy Spirit ( Which live in every believers This 3- are ONE GOD HEAD... no one is greater than.. they are EQUAL GENESIS 1:2 the SPIRIT was moving on the Surface of the water ready to bring things into existence by the WORD of JESUS CHRIST 1 John 5:7 ► King James Version For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. - THE WORD ( JESUS ) GOD THE WORD(JESUS) - Became Flesh and chose to be born, to be called a son , chose to come down and became a slave to Serve men, so through him we can be called SON's of GOD - JOHN 1:1-14 - Iglesia cristo - Mormon Jehova witness - Catholics Are all Occultic, against the truth, thats why they have alot of people floating into iglesia cristo and catholic churchs because they don't know what it means being a christians May the Lord open our MIND
King james version of 3 in one is incorrect translation. Go back and research. Also Roman's 8:34 christ is gods right hand. Also written in at least 8 other passages. Google which versus. Get original translation and see correct 3 in one translation. God bless and jesus christ is still lord. Being the son of god does not take away from his glory but adds to who he was and what he did. Father father... why have thou forsaken me .
It can be noticed that those who agree with the Trinity doctrine can't interpret most of the verses in the Bible regarding who the true God is unless they have a preconception of the Trinity doctrine. They have to have a pre-notion of the Trinity and even with that preconception, it's hard to interpret simple and direct to the point verses like John 17:3 which clearly states (word-for-word) that the Lord Jesus Christ recognizes only one true God, the Father..
John 17:3 can ONLY be INTERPRETED as you claim when its TAKEN out of CONTEXT John 17:5 says that " JESUS asked for the GLORY he shared with the FATHER from BEFORE CREATION" How could HE have HAD GLORY with the FATHER if HE was NOT with HIM Now JESUS is asking for that SAME GLORY Question: Where did that GLORY go ? Sounds like JESUS doesn't have that GLORY now huh? INC is FAMOUS for this just as the Muslims are ISOLATING VERSES RIPPING them OUT of CONTEXT INC MEDIA has a video John 1:1 and 14 WOW What about all the verses in between? ESPECIALLY John 1:3 ALL THINGs were CREATED BY HIM(SON)"
Eric Pennick Yes, that's what I was trying to say -- if you have a pre-notion of the Trinity, a lot of verses in the bible are being said to be "out of context" even if they are already word-for-word statements by Christ and the apostles. And a lot in the Old Testament also. If you just plainly read John 17:1-5, you'll see that Christ was asking the Father to glorify him with the glory that he has with the Father in the beginning. In the beginning he is a word (John 1:1). So if you say that he already exists as he is (not just as a word of God) before creation then why would he be asking God to give him that glory when he should already have that glory by himself? Do you think he prays to God just for the show or are you saying that Christ is a hypocrite? Do you think Christ lied when he said to the Father "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." ? As for me, I believe in Jesus Christ.. I was a Catholic before but I read the bible and Trinity is not there.. If you want to discuss with the INC the whole book of John, I encourage you to approach a minister of the gospel nearest your area.
Ok try again to be fair. Before you quoute that verse again read Hebrews 1 and understand that chapter. Then use the same criteria used on Hebrews 1 and apply ti to John 17:3. The Father called the Son as God too. Dont believe it? Read Hebrews 1 again. IF not satisfied read Revelation chp 1 and chp 22.
"The Truth will set you free". That is true indeed. The thing about the Truth is that not everyone wants to listen to it no matter how obvious the Truth is. Truth can heal your soul, but it can burn like alcohol on an open wound. It'll hurt for sometime, but if you let it do it's job the alcohol will help heal you. If you pour the alcohol on someone who does not want to be healed that person will be hostile towards you. If you listen you will hear the Truth even if it hurts.
Why are you guys fighting? If you're a true Christian you shouldn't be arguing with another. Everyone has their own believes, their own faith. But if you can't accept the truth, stop trying to convince others that it's not the truth. If Jesus was god no humans would have seen him. God is spirit, If Jesus was god, he would never be praying to "himself" the father, how hard is that to understand? it's in the scriptures... If he was god, he would have never died... so just face the truth, God is a spirit, Jesus is our mediator, If you don't believe that then that's your own opinion. No INC members will force you to join, it's your own faith. I hope you guys all know that not ALL INC MEMBERS will be saved, you have to do gods will and obey his commandments, If it was that easy to earn salvation then I don't think the world would be having so much problems. and to be honest, yes at first I attended INC worship because of this one girl, but as i continued to attend bible study I learned the truth. This girl and I have never met and our relationship did not continue. If I did not join by faith I would have already left the church. Even though I love this girl so much, I believed god used her as an instrument to call me into the church. I hope you all understand that it's only God the father who calls people into the church. The only reason you should join is by faith, not because of status,money,fame nor anything. and again i'm telling you all, not all INC Members are true members. To shorten this up if Jesus was God he would have said it himself, Try finding a single verse in the bible that says Jesus is God. I really don't care how further you guys want to debate this, it all matters of opinion and how you take things, Truth hurts, so face it. INC will be growing world wide, it's the work of god. We only invite because it's our duty written in scriptures, the "works". I'm not going to explain how INC Church works, but if you actually join in by faith, you'll understand everything clearly. God Bless You all.
The TRUTH? That's INC to you I guess RIGHT? I am on here to SPREAD the WORD of GOD. INC has many man-made doctrines. Tell me. has INC taught you Gen 1:26 and who the US and OUR are referring to? Did JESUS rebuke Peter when he called him LORD and GOD? Why did Paul call JESUS " GOD manifested in the flesh? Why did both John and Paul say " All things were CREATED by HIM(JESUS) " Why did JESUS says HE was SENT from HEAVEN by the FATHER .. if according to INC. JESUS did not EXIST already? Why would JESUS want the GLORY HE HAD with the FATHER from BEFORE creation if HE did NOT already EXIST? Why does INC only cite the LAMSA bible for one VERSE .. Acts 20;28 and you will NEVER hear that VERSION any other time? Did you know the ORIGINAL Greek for Acts 20;28 says .. church of GOD? Lastly the GROWTH as you claim INC is making has NO relevance as it to being TRUTHFUL to the WORD of GOD. How long have the MORMONS been around? or the Jehovah Witnesses? You think they are the ONE TRUE CHURCH? JESUS was NOT praying to HIMSELF any more than the WORD in John 1:1 means a THOUGHT in God's mind> That's why we don't ISOLATE verses and then we should continue on to John 1:3 and see that the WORD was HIM and ALL things were made by HIM>> JESUS!!
Eric Pennick Eric, You may have thought i'm one of the commentary of INC. I am not just to let you know. As I said again everyone has their own opinion and faith, If you can't understand something so simple.. that's on your own. I'm not trying to start a fight here... We made up doctrines? Well, I guess you better do some more research because all of our doctrines came from the bible. I believe this is a good thing to do. Actually educate your members instead of allowing them to join your church in several days and allowing them to be Baptised. It's easy to say I believe in Jesus, If you really do, go do his works, obey his commands and spread the words. Have you guys done that yet? This is the reason why we are growing, I'm not going any further, I'll just allow you to see it yourself. Truth hurts Eric, You may be smarter than me with the information in the Bible since you probably spent years studying it. If you have so many questions you should ask an INC minister, not me.
Icarus Huynh Your reply to me,, I am sorry to say.. doesn't make any sense. Its NOT OPINION., the Bible has FACTS! Do you see the term LAST MESSENGER in the bible? NO Do you see any prophecy regarding the Phillipines? NO Do you see anywhere that says one has to be in a local a congregation and attend 2 times weekly and be WATER baptized in ONLY that church? NO Do you UNDERSTAND why your congregation ONLY cites LAMSA bible VERSION for one verse? I guess you don't! ALL your DOCTRINES came from the mind of a MAN! To be BAPTIZED doesn't mean to be IMMERSED in WATER in a CEREMONY in a particular congregation.. The ONE BAPTISM that PETER speaks of in the bible is when JESUS WASHED or CLEANSED the souls of those that were of HIS body and HE IMMERSED them in HIS blood and SIN WAS BURIED in HIS BAPTISM. This is just one of NUMEROUS false doctrines. Watch INCMEDIA and on of their INTERNATIONAL shows the moderator says that the phrase CHURCH of CHRIST appears NUMEROUS times. That's a LIE!
Icarus Huynh What TRUTH? There is no CORRELATION to GROWTH and TRUTH!! WORKS don't get one SAVED, READ the bible as to what GOD says as to WORKS.. WORKS we do are seen NEITHER as RIGHTEOUS or JUSTIFIED.. lest any man BOAST! You see you gave the REASON why you're hoodwinked by this FALSE church. You don't check out what they teach you and if it COINCIDES with the bible. Did you know the BIBLE is likened as a "LAMP unto my FEET" ? In order for it to GUIDE you like a LAMP. you must READ it. If its in God's GOOD pleasure HE and ONLY he will Open your SPIRITUAL eyes and ears.
You ask for ONE single verse that says JESUS is GOD? Ok did you know that its a SIN to get a TATOO but the term TATOO is not seen in scripture? Did you know that both PAUL and JOHN both TAUGHT that JESUS is from EVERLASTING past that that HE created the WORLD and all things ? ONE SINGLE Verse? where is LAST MESSENGER in scripture?? Cite me the VERSE? Where does it say that one must be WATER baptized in ONLY your church? Where does it say one MUST be WATER baptized to be SAVED? Once gain iif you don't know >> YOU go ask your minister who the US and OUR is referring to in gen 1:26 AND if they tell you ANGELS ask them if man was created in the IMAGE of ANGELs and did ANGELS aid in the CREATION of MAN
Just saw his debate with James White. Ventilacion really didn't seem to understand James' position, wasn't dialoguing with James' points, he was making awful arguments which were completely removed from the context of the entire text of the Bible. Dear me Ventilation, absolutely full of hot air.
Trinity is NOT taught in the Bible. Why don’t those who believe in the Trinity teaching search the Bible to see if Jesus and his disciples taught a Trinity. As you search, ask yourself the following questions; Can I find any scripture that mentions “Trinity”? Can I find any scripture that says that God is made up of three distinct persons, Father, Son, and holy spirit, but that the three are only one God? Can I find any scripture that says that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom? Search as you may, you will not find one scripture that uses the word Trinity, nor will you find any that says that Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as eternity, power, position, and wisdom. Not even a single scripture says that the Son is equal to the Father in those ways, and if there were such a scripture, it would establish not a Trinity but at most a “duality.” Jesus taught his disciples to pray: “Our Father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.” Our heavenly Father, whose name is Jehovah, is described in the Bible as being superior to his Son. For example, Jehovah is “from everlasting to everlasting.” But the Bible says that Jesus is “the firstborn of every creature.” That Jehovah is greater than Jesus, Jesus himself taught when he said: “My Father is greater than I.” (Matthew 6:9; Psalm 90:1, 2; Colossians 1:15; John 14:28, King James Version) Yet, the Trinity doctrine holds that the Father and the Son are “equally God.” The Father’s superiority over the Son, as well as the fact that the Father is a separate person, is highlighted also in the prayers of Jesus, such as the ones before his execution: “Father, if you wish, remove this cup (that is, an ignominious death) from me. Nevertheless, let, not MY will, but YOURS take place.” (Luke 22:42) If God and Jesus are “one in essence,” how could Jesus’ will, or wish, seem different from that of his Father? (Hebrews 5:7, 8; 9:24) Furthermore, if Jehovah and Jesus were the same, how could one of them be aware of things of which the other was not? Jesus, for instance, said regarding the time of the world’s judgment: “Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven NOR THE SON, but the Father.” (Mark 13:32) In conclusion, the evidence is quite clear; the Trinity is NOT a biblical teaching. That is NOT what Jesus taught and neither should we if we call ourselves Christians!
1. Your first point is to emphasize that the word "TRINITY" is NOT found anywhere in scripture. Based on that faulty reasoning we cant make any conclusion on many bible concepts. TATOO. Do you understand that the word TATOO is not seen in scripture but the concept is ? "Etchings in the skin" is taught by GOD to be forbidden. 2. JESUS being GOD in the flesh is taught by PAUL. If you don't know the verse by now , you are just in denial. Both John and Paul speak to the DEITY of CHRIST: "all things were CREATED by HIM" I am well aware that Jose in his debates will substitute THROUGH for BY But its a moot point Did you listen to when Kellens asked Jose or an example of OTHER than JESUS how something can be made THROUGH someone if they DO NOT exist? Jose NEVER could cite any example as it is IMPOSSIBLE for the world to be made THROUGH JESUS if HE did not exist. 3. Did JESUS claim to be DIVINE and ETERNAL? " I was SENT from HEAVEN by the FATHER" John 17:5 " Father Glorify me with the GLORY I HAD with you from BEFORE creation" How could JESUS ask for the GLORY with the FATHER that HE HAD from BEFORE creation IF as you and INC claim JESUS did NOT EXIST? Where did this GLORY go if JESUS is asking for it back? 3. Did JESUS deny HIS eternal nature or divinity? When Thomas said to JESUS " MY LORD and my GOD" Did JESUS rebuke Thomas for saying that? Show me the scripture where JESUS denied what Thomas was claiming? YOU CANT!!
Maybe you should do a bit more research because the word Tattoo IS in the Bible. Note the following Bible versions of the Scripture read at Leviticus 19:28; NIV (New International Version) Leviticus 19:28: “Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put TATTOO marks on yourselves. I am the Lord.” AMP (Amplified Bible) “You shall not make cuttings in your flesh for the dead nor print or TATTOO any marks upon you; I am the Lord.” CJB (Complete Jewish Bible) “Don’t cut gashes in your flesh when someone dies or TATTOO yourselves; I am Adonai.” ESV (English Standard Version) “You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or TATTOO yourselves: I am the Lord.” TLB (The Living Bible) “You shall not cut yourselves nor put TATTOO marks upon yourselves in connection with funeral rites; I am the Lord.” There are many more Bibles that do in fact have the word Tattoo in it. “Etching of the skin”, “cutting of the skin”, “gashes in the flesh” all mean the same; Tattooing. Now when it comes to the teaching in question the word alone “Trinity” is not found anywhere in the Bible nor can we find any Scripture that says that God is made up of three distinct persons, or that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in ALL ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom. Therefore, to any logical thinking individual the Trinity is not a biblical teaching and even less it is NOT what Jesus taught! According to John 1:14 it states that the Word became flesh which is referring to Jesus whom became flesh, I do not deny that this took place. The doctrine of the Trinity teaches that Christ is the Almighty God in the flesh here on earth, when John 1:18 Jesus himself clearly said “that NO MAN has seen God at any time.” So can you explain that? If Jesus is the One and Almighty God why did he say that NO MAN had seen him, yet he was here on earth in the ‘flesh’? Can you also explain Jesus words in Matthew 26:39: “Going a little farther he (Jesus Christ) fell on his face and prayed; ‘My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.” Was Jesus praying to himself? Who’s will did he want to take place then? Can you explain what John wrote in John 8:17, 18: “In your law it is written that the testimony of two men is true; I bear witness to myself, and the Father who SENT ME bears witness to me.” Those words were said by Jesus to the Jewish Pharisees, so who did he say sent him, he sent himself? If Paul taught or believed in the Trinity then can you explain why he would say this: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the HEAD of CHRIST is GOD.” (1 Corinthians 11:3) Who was he referring to as being His HEAD his own Head himself? Does that make any sense? Or should Christ have said ‘I’m my own head’ or ‘I do not have a head’? But why did he say his ‘head is God?’ Your third point clearly shows evidence that Jesus is NOT God Almighty. Jesus himself said ‘he was sent by the Father.’ He did not say he sent himself but that HIS FATHER sent him that scripture clearly speaks of TWO separate individuals. Jesus did exist in the heavens alongside his Creator, his Father Jehovah prior to being sent here to earth. That is why Jesus could ask his Father to glorify him with the glory he had BEFORE creation, ‘before’ God created the ‘earth’ and ‘human life’. With regards to your last statement: “When Thomas said to Jesus ‘My Lord and my God.’ (John 20:28) Allow me to take you back in time so you can take into account the situation back there so you can get an understanding of what the apostle Thomas meant. Less than two weeks previously Thomas HAD HEARD JESUS PRAY to his HEAVENLY FATHER and say: “This is life eternal, that they might know THEE the ONLY true God, AND Jesus Christ whom THOU hast SENT.” (John 17:3) On the fourth day after that prayer, or on his day of resurrection, Jesus sent a special message to Thomas and the other disciples by means of Mary Magdalene. “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to MY FATHER: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY FATHER, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.” (John 20:17, 18) So from Jesus’ prayer and from this message through Mary Magdalene, Thomas KNEW who his own God was. His God was NOT Jesus Christ, but his God was the God of Jesus Christ. Also his Father was the Father of Jesus Christ. Thomas knew that Jesus had a God whom he worshipped, namely, his heavenly Father. How, then, could Thomas in an ecstasy of joy at seeing the resurrected Jesus for the first time burst out with an exclamation and speak to Jesus himself as being the one and only living, true God, the God whose name is Jehovah? How could Thomas, by what he spoke, mean that Jesus was himself “the only true God” or that Jesus was God in the Second Person of a Trinity? In view of what Thomas had heard from Jesus and had been told by Jesus, how can we read such a meaning into Thomas’ words: “My Lord and my God”? Note Jesus would have reproved Thomas if Jesus had understood that Thomas meant that he, Jesus, was “the only true God” whom Jesus himself had called “my God” and “my Father.” Certainly Jesus would not take a title away from God his Father or take away the unique position from God his Father. Since Jesus did not reprove Thomas as if addressing him in a wrong way, Jesus knew how to understand Thomas’ words, Scripturally. And so did the apostle John. John was there and heard Thomas exclaim: “My Lord and my God.” Did John say that the only thing for us to conclude from Thomas’ words was that Jesus was God, “the only true God” whose name is Jehovah? (Psalm 35:23, 24) Here would have been an excellent place for John to explain John 1:1 and say that Jesus Christ, who was the Word made flesh, was God himself, that he was “God the Son, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity.” But is that the conclusion that John reached? Let’s see the conclusion that John wants us to reach: “Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: but these are written, that ye might believe.” That we might believe what? “That Jesus is the Christ, the SON of GOD; and that believing ye might have life through his name.” (John 20:29-31, AV) Thomas worshiped the same God whom Jesus worshipped, Jehovah God, the Father. So if Thomas addressed Jesus as “my God,” Thomas had to recognize Jesus’ Father as the God of God, hence as a God higher that Jesus Christ, a God whom Jesus himself worshipped! So the question remains, why is it, that for thousands of years, did NONE of God’s prophets teach his people about the Trinity? At the latest, would Jesus not use his ability as the Great Teacher to make the Trinity clear to his followers? Would God inspire hundreds of pages of Scripture and yet not use any of this instruction to teach the Trinity if it were the “central doctrine” of faith? Are Christians would back the formulation of a doctrine that was unknown to his servants for thousands of years, one that is an “inscrutable mystery” “beyond the grasp of human reason,” one that admittedly had a PAGAN background and was “largely a matter of church politics”? The testimony of history is CLEAR: The Trinity teaching is a DEVIATION from the truth, an APOSTATIZING from it! Whether you want to accept this or not Trinity is a totally FALSE teaching!
Strong Heart Are you in INC? I need to know who and what I am debating with. INC does NOT teach that JESUS existed with Jehovah before creation They teach JESUS was a THOUGHT or a PLAN in God's mind. So get your facts straight if you are arguing from an INC perspective The word TATOO did NOT exist in the time of the Original bible. Once again get your facts STRAIGHT and it doesn't exist in the King James bible. The bibles you cited are REWRITES who inserted that word we use today. To be ETERNAL means when JESUS said HE was SENT from HEAVEN to do the WILL of the FATHER To be ETERNAL means when both Paul and John said "All things were created by HIM" He is BEFORE all things" To be ETERNAL means to have HAD GLORY with the FATHER from BEFORE creation. The FATHER sent the SON from HEAVEN to take on the SINS of the world of those who are ELECTED to be of HIS body the SON humbled himself by talking on flesh You can NOT be SENT or have HAD GLORY or CREATE If you are NOT GOD! JESUS was talking to HIS father in heaven as he JESUS was SENT from HEAVEN and RETURNED to the FATHER in heaven Finally when Adam and EVE were hiding from shame when they heard GOD walking in the cool of the day Do you know who that was that they heard?/
Eric Pennick Whether the word ‘tattoo’ existed in the original text or not is irrelevant, especially when the words used mean the exact same thing. Again “etching of the skin”, “cutting of the skin”, “gashes in the flesh”, all mean the same; Tattooing. It is the same as one bible using the word Lord and another version using the word God, different words but same exact meaning! As you mentioned yourself they are “words we use today.” Just as the word “Thou” is not used today instead we use “The” which means the same thing. We should be appreciative of the fact that those kinds of changes were made because it makes our reading of the Scriptures easier to comprehend and can reach our hearts because it is in a language easier for us to grasp and understand. As long as the ‘meaning’ of the text is not altered or changed who cares. Back to the trinity doctrine; Genesis 1:26 contradicts that teaching note what that verse says: “And GOD went on to say: ‘Let US make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness...” I am sure you are a rational thinking individual. So please explain who God was talking to? The verse clearly shows a conversation taking place between TWO beings? How do we know? By the grammar used; God is saying “Let US” and twice he used the word “OUR”. So again, who was God speaking to? Regarding the voice that Adam and Eve heard cited in Genesis 3:8 the Bible does not say that Adam or Eve saw anyone doing the speaking. The voice came from the invisible, the unseen realm, and it was addressing him. It was the voice of the man’s Maker, his Creator! And Adam could answer him in the same kind of speech. He found himself talking with GOD, the Creator of all mankind, who once again is Jehovah!
Strong Heart Ill ask you a SECOND time so I know where you stand and what you have been taught: Are you in INC? Now " Adam and EVE HEARD God WALKING in the cool of the day" Don't paraphrase the bible to make your point seem valid. The FATHER was with the SON from ETERNITY PAST. the FATHER and SON were speaking. The FATHER and SON are ONE in UNITY with the HOLY SPIRIT I am well aware that INC teaches that God the FATHER was speaking to ANGELS BUT ANGELS played no PART in CREATION as they were ministering spirits AND Man was NOT made in the image of ANGELS So you and INC are WRONG on 2 points This all ties in with the words of JESUS: John 1:18 " No man hath seen GOD at any time.. EXCEPT the SON" John 1&: 5 " Father GLORIFY me with the GLORY I HAD with you from BEFORE CREATION" Jesus also said: I was SENT from HEAVEN by the FATHER to do HIS will" All these verses tie in beautifully to the FACTS that JESUS EXISTED from BEFORE creation
- The Father is true God - The Son is true God - The Holy Spirit is true God In bound true relationship eternal one together forever - If you think that a mere man will take all the sins of the whole world, you don't know your bible - Jesus is God because he refers to himself as the truth, the light , the I am , I have the power to give up my life and take it up again - He his God and eternal life dwells in him - Blessed his he that knows this and accept it - The reason why people can't understand this or accept it is because they don't understand the meaning of SIN - They suppress the truth even when they read they still find it at the end of the day they loose their life fighting God - you can't be save if you reject Jesus , you reject the father God bless ou
Beware of false prophets. They ravenous wolves in sheep’s clothing. Jesus - “I am the alpha and the omega. The first and the last. The beginning and the end” ❤️Jesus
2. Jesus Christ became a SAVIOR in accordance and fulfilment of the law. Our Lord Jesus Christ did not become a savior without doing something. That’s why he said “I come to fulfill the law or prophets, not to destroy” (Matt. 5:17). And the law of God on paying sin is “Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; EACH IS TO DIE FOR HIS OWN SIN.” (Deuteronomy 24:16 NIV) God’s law clearly states that “EACH IS TO DIE FOR HIS OWN SIN.” It is against the law of God to put to death the father because of his son’s sin, and to put to death the son because of his father’s sin. One should not be put to death because of other’s sin but one will be put to death because of his own sin. This is the reason why the Lord Jesus Christ said: “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24 NKJV) And the wage of sin is death which is eternal hell (Rom. 6:23; Rev. 20:14). Our Lord Jesus Christ can ONLY SAVED those people who is redeemed under the curse of the Law which is Death by fulfilling the requirements of the Law(Rom. 8:1-4, Gal. 3:13). --And the Scripture says “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” (Rom. 3:23) “And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, AND WITHOUT SHEDDING OF BLOOD THERE IS NO REMISSION OF SINS.” (Heb. 9:22) “For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. “(Matt. 26:28) “Christ was without sin, but for our sake God made him share our sin in order that in union with him we might share the righteousness of God” (II Cor. 5:21, TEV) “Salvation is found in no one else, FOR THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN TO MEN BY WHICH WE MUST BE SAVED. Then know this, you and all the people of Israel: IT IS BY THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead...” (Acts 4:12 and 10 NIV) Even though our Lord Jesus Christ is HOLY and DID NOT SIN(Mark 1:24, Heb. 4:15). God made Jesus to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement (Rom. 3:25). --WHAT JESUS CHRIST DID TO SAVE MAN WITHOUT VIOLATING GOD’S LAW? In order for Jesus to save man without violating God’s law, Jesus built his church. “And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.” (Matthew 16:18 NIV) --WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE CHURCH IN SAVING MANKIND? The church is the body of Christ(Ep. 5:23) and Jesus himself who is in heaven is the head of the church/body(Col. 1:18). “For a husband has authority over his wife just as Christ has authority over the church; and Christ is himself the Savior of the church, his body.” (Ephesians 5:23 TEV) “And he is the head of the body, the church...” (Colossians 1:18 NIV) --Christ is the head and the Church is His body. Thus, in the sight of God Jesus and His Church stand s "one new man”: “By abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. HIS PURPOSE WAS TO CREATE IN HIMSELF ONE NEW MAN OUT OF THE TWO, thus making peace.” (Ephesians 2:15 NIV) Jesus is the head and the Church is His body, thus, Jesus (the head) and the Church (the body) are “one new man.” Take note that what violates God’s law written in Deuteronomy 24:16 is if Christ will die for others because this God’s law states that “each is to die for his own sin.” Thus, the Lord Jesus Christ will NOT die for others, not for all of humanity, but for His Church ONLY as what Ephesians 5:25 clearly states: “Husbands, love your wives just as CHRIST LOVED THE CHURCH AND GAVE HIS LIFE FOR IT.” (Ephesians 5:25 TEV) THE LORD JESUS CHRIST ORDERED US TO ENTER THE BODY/CHURCH OF CHRIST IN ORDER TO BE SAVED If anyone wants to be saved, He must obey what the SAVIOR command. As Jesus said “I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved...” (John 10:9 NKJV) Christ said, “If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved.” Christ is not referring to His physical body, but to the Church (Col. 1:18), which is called Church Of Christ (Romans 16:16, ACTS 20:28, LAMSA). Thus, if we enter the Church Of Christ, we enter Christ’s body and WE BECOME PART OF CHRIST’S BODY because the Bible explicitly states that the Church is Christ’s body. “For just as the HUMAN BODY IS ONE AND YET HAS MANY PARTS, AND ALL ITS PARTS, MANY AS THEY ARE, CONSTITUTE BUT ONE BODY, SO IT IS WITH THE CHURCH OF CHRIST.” (I Corinthians 12:12, NTME) We must enter the Church Of Christ in order to be saved, because if we are outside His body, His Church, the Lord Jesus Christ cannot die for our sins because it will violates God’s law stating “each is to die for his own sin.” This is also the reason why Apostle Paul explicitly stated that God will judge those outside the Church: “What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you.” (I Corinthians 5:12-13 NIV) And of course. If one does not want to lose his salvation. Then he must stay in the body/church of Christ till the end(Mark 13:12) . CONCLUSION: Thus, the Lord Jesus Christ is the Savior, but the one that will save by the Lord Jesus Christ is His BODY/Church NOT MANY or other BODY/CHURCH. Coz that is the requirement of the law(Deut. 24:16): “For a husband has authority over his wife just as Christ has authority over the church; AND CHRIST IS HIMSELF THE SAVIOR OF THE CHURCH, HIS BODY. Husbands, love your wives, JUST AS CHRIST LOVED THE CHURCH AND GAVE HIMSELF UP FOR HER” (Ephesians 5:23&25 TEV) “Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock, over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, to feed THE CHURCH OF CHRIST WHICH HE HAS PURCHASED WITH HIS BLOOD (Acts 20:28 Lamsa).” ---Thus, It is RIGHT AND LAWFUL to call Jesus Christ a SAVIOR.
The Trinity is not 1+1+1=3; It is 1x1x1=1. The Father is in the Son, the Son is in the Father, the Holy Spirit is in the Father and the Son as they are One but are not the same. Why would the Father call the Son, both God and Lord if the Son is not God as well as in Hebrews 1:8-10? Anyone who carefully reads Genesis 1 can see the Father, the Word or the Son and the Holy Spirit right there in the text as creation is being made. An example of plurality in Oneness is found in Genesis 1:26. It states, ''And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.'' Not only are US and OUR clearly plural personal pronouns they are still modifying singular objects which are IMAGE and Likeness; Notice it does not state Image(s) or Likeness(es) to coincide with Us and Our plurality. Similarly, the word Man is identified, and it is a singular noun. Notice it does not state M(e)n or men but MAN; And then goes on to read, let THEM have dominion; Why not insert HIM as Adam was the first human created? But they were including also woman and humans within the singularity of Man.
+Vanilla SniPeZx I believe in the diety of The Lord Jesus Christ. He was coexisting with God before the beginning of the world that's why all things were made by him and through him. He was the word from the beginning, and was then made flesh and dwelt among us. If I don't accept Jesus as God then ill die in my sins because he is the only one who can take away sin. I don't believe in the trinity as in "3 gods" but the same God plays 3 different roles in 3 different offices. E.g 1 am a father to my children, I am also a son to my own father and I am a doctor by profession but my name is Joe Bloggs. All those are my titles but my NAME is Joe Bloggs. That's why we are to baptise in the name of Jesus Christ because father son and holy spirit are all titles of te same God. Yahweh of the Old T is Jesus of the new. The same word who was made flesh to bear the sins of the world. All that was in the father was poured into him, and all that was in him was poured into the church in the form of the holy spirit as was witnessed in the upper room. That's what the bible says. To miss the diety of Christ is to miss everything. God bless you.
THEM is referring to both Adam and Eve. These 2 were created as one until God took the rib out of Adam and used it to make Eve. Before this Eve's female nature was in Adam that's why the Bible says "male AND female created he them" before Eve was on the scene. The Bible continously makes reference to Adam as THEM in Gen 1 but Eve was created in Gen 2, meaning Adam was 2 in 1. That's why it's not rocket science to understand that Jesus and God are 1. I agree with you. 1×1×1. It takes revelation. Let's continue to pray for our brothers who deny the diety of Christ to accept him as God and Savior before its too late.
haaaahaaaaaahaaaaa!!!! I have never laughed at a debate as much and hard as this one. I actually almost felt badly for the Church of God in Christ debater/ Trinitarian. Talk about no logic used here!. The church of Christ debater using logic, sounding reason and explicit scriptures clearly indicated just how confused and mixed-up, and how the Trinny has been so terribly been lead astray.When it comes to common sense reasoning, logic and the ability to read the Bible clearly with no preconceived dogma of the Trinity, the Bible makes sense and most certainly the identity of Jesus and God the Father. Sadly the churches have done a disservice to their sheep by pushing the Trinity as solid scriptural teaching - which it is Not! The debate is a clear example of the mass confusion this absurd doctrine precipitates. Nonetheless , millions will hold onto this asinine dogma with binding loyalty. This Trinitarian debate is pure "classic"
the Trinity cannot be fully grasped with the human mind. the problem with your faith is that you can only believe some things in the Bible that you can personally understand rather than putting faith in the entire Bible. Iglesia ni Cristo is a cult.
+zero9erz remember your comment on the time of judgement day. i fear that you will not be given the chance to be save. just remember your comment here...
Revelation 6:12-17 12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[a] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their[b] wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”
The first part of the INC guy's case showed he had no understanding of the trinity. God is 1 in 3 persons. They are not the same person but the equally share the nature of God. Calling rhe father the ONE true God doesn't eliminate the trinity. Why was this video edited out where the pastors rebuttal is cut out mid way?
There is indeed only ONE TRUE GOD, the Father of Jesus. Jesus is his son as mentioned in the bible. That's what it says simply and simply that's the truth. Anything that is added is not of God. Let no one add or subtract from the bible. Trinitarian is not the true gospel.
Then let's just rip off some of the pages of the Bible that speaks of the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ. Let us twist and butcher the clear teaching of the Bible about Jesus being God. Perhaps use Bible versions whose translator are bias and against the Lordship and deity of the Son of God, like the Arians!!!!. No matter what the antichrist tried to destroy and discredit the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and trample His Holy name, The Bible will not change and still declare that Jesus is God. For those who denied his deity, there is but one warning for you! Jesus said "I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins." NIV;New American Standard Bible "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."for if ye believe not that I am he; the everlasting and unchangeable I am, the true God, God over all, blessed for ever; the eternal Son of God, God manifest in the flesh, really made flesh, and become incarnate; the true Messiah, the only Saviour of sinners, the Head of the church, prophet, priest, and King, and the Judge of quick and dead; as also the light of the world he had declared himself to be.Notice the "He" is in italics, it means it is not in the original text. this title was used in Exodus God said: " Exodus 3:14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Show me a single verse that Jesus himself claims to be God. The word God must be in the verse. And Jesus own words must be used. Show me Jesus claims to be God, not I am but God himself.
If the Father of Jesus is the true God, and Jesus is not a God. Are you saying too, that since your Father is a man by your argument. You are not a MAN, your a RAT? A Monkey? or a Pig? and never ever your a MAN like Jesus who is never a GOD. Am I right?
Trinitarian is not the gospel,? The gospel is the death burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ!!! that is the gospel, Trinity is a teaching that God is one revealed in three personality.
INC is being double-standard here. They say that Jesus did not pre-exist but in their closing remarks say that the universe was created through him (Jesus). How can the universe be created through someone who did not pre-exist? The Word as a mere idea is a Hellenistic philosophy and not Christian theology.
Ralph Victa Jesus Christ is not pre-existed with god in the beginning of creation(NOTE THAT GOD IS ETERNAL, no BEGINNING and ENDING,so god has NO TIME). The term "WORD" JOHN 1:1 -3 is just the plan of god when he created heavens and earth. It was for son of god(Jesus Christ)to inherit all god's creation. So u will notice in 1:1 it says the word was WITH god, the WORD was GOD, because it's still a THOUGHT or PLAN. JOHN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Gio Alvarez WORD is a TITLE for JESUS .. just like LAMB and LIGHT and Prince of PEACE and EMMANUEL You are not taught what the ENTIRE Greek says if you are in INC John 1:1 in the Greek says The WORD was in an ETERNAL ' FACE to FACE " relationship" with the FATHER" the Entire Gospel of John is speaking to the DEITY of CHRIST especially the prologue which is John 1:1 thru John 18 You can NOT take the LITERAL meaning of a word like "WORD": and apply it when that meaning is not LITERAL Yes the LOGOS in Greek means a PLAN or THOUGHT So if JESUS is called the LAMB would we then take the LITERAL meaning and say JESUS was a grazing farm animal..? See how you get caught in FALSE foundations that INC resorts to when it TWISTS the word of GOD?
Eric Pennick Do u know that GOD created everything through WORDS(movement of lips). That's why the word was WITH god(didn't yet happen). The word WAS GOD(It's still a thought in the mind). That's why the title of that verse is "the word BECOME flesh" cause it is now fulfilled through man(flesh) God created birds, beast, and fish and whales through WORD(movement of lips) right? so they are also WORD(thoughts, plan). same as JOHN 1:1-3. That's why everything came from GOD, both good and evil
Ralph Victa Does that make him GOD? It says “The Word of God” (the fulfillment of JOHN 1, the fulfillment of the PROMISE of GOD to the redeemed) not “He is GOD”. Jesus Christ went into this world to be an example to us, to walk on his ways, to take in-charge of mankind. WHY? Because God is tired of mankind, Jesus is the only man who stands between Us and God’s fury. Without Christ, this world already receive it’s punishment a long time ago. Why I don’t believe that Jesus is GOD? Because Jesus only point one god and that is the FATHER. Never point the SON or himself, never INCLUDE himself. Neither the Bible or the Apostles address him as GOD. AS JOHN 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Not even he said that he is equal to the FATHER. JOHN 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. Because if I will believe that Jesus is GOD. It will contradict to his crystal clear saying in JOHN 17:3, 20:17, 14:28. It will also contradict in the misunderstood TRINITY of writings of JOHN 1. Who gave Jesus power? ACTS 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. You see in this verse, Jesus and GOD are both mentioned separated. The uniqueness of GOD is clear in this verse. They don’t address God as FATHER but only “GOD”. Why? To show the uniqueness and oneness of GOD. Is Jesus not gonna surrender himself? As 1 CORINTHIANS 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. So when the JUDGEMENT DAY COME, all the redeemed(CHILDREN OF GOD) with Jesus Christ will surrender to God. So god may be all in authority. God’s policy is always to sent someone(human) to take in charge to his chosen people. Like Israel, He always send Prophets to guide them, but they never listen to the Prophets. How many time did Israel disappoint GOD? So many. That’s why he send Jesus Christ to this world so that if maybe they will listen to him, because he is from GOD, but some still don’t.
The confusion between the debators is that no one is acknowledging that Jesus is the Word made flesh. He was the Word before He was Jesus. The Word was sent amongst men and while amongst men, He was name Jesus. Before that He was the WORD by which all things were created. The role of the Word changed. God created all things through HIS WORD and then sent His WORD into the world to be a Son.
Trinitarians also affirm that Jesus is the heir/firstborn over all things (all creation). But Paul in Colossians 1:15-17 is describing the Son as the direct Creator of all things while distinguished from the Father. The Father is NOT being described as the Creator at all in Colossians 1:15-17, it is the SON.
Brother Jose you mention that bible is the basis of your doctrine of "Only True God" but you are denying the divinity of Christ which is very supported in the bible....I think while you may be educated you don't know the bible as you thing you are. Iglasia ni Kristo is known to taking the bible out of context.
MGA KABABAYAN kong nasa ganitong pananampalataya pa rin --- ( ISAIAS 44 : 9 - 20) 9 Walang kuwentang tao ang mga gumagawa ng rebulto, at walang kabuluhan ang mga diyus-diyosang kanilang pinahahalagahan. Mga bulag at hangal ang sumasamba sa mga ito, kaya sila'y mapapahiya. 10 Walang idudulot na mabuti ang paggawa ng mga rebulto para sambahin. 11 Tandaan ninyo, ang sumasamba sa mga ito ay mapapahiya lamang. Ang mga gumagawa nito'y tao lamang, kaya't magsama-sama man sila at ako'y harapin, sila'y matatakot at mapapahiya rin. 12 Ang panday ay kumukuha ng isang pirasong bakal at inilalagay ito sa apoy. Pagkatapos ay pinupukpok niya ito sa pamamagitan ng kanyang malakas na bisig hanggang sa magkahugis. Sa paggawa nito, siya ay nauuhaw, nagugutom at napapagod. 13 Ang karpintero naman ay kumukuha ng isang pirasong kahoy. Ginuguhitan niya ito ng anyong tao, saka inuukit hanggang sa mayari ang isang magandang imahen. Pagkatapos, ilalagay niya ito sa kanyang bahay. 14 Pumipili siya at pumuputol ng isang matigas na kahoy sa gubat tulad ng sedar, ensina at sipres. Maaari din siyang magtanim ng laurel at ito ay hintaying lumaki habang dinidilig ng ulan. 15 Ang kaputol na kahoy nito ay ginagawang panggatong at ang kaputol naman ay ginagawang diyus-diyosan. Ang isang piraso ay iginagatong para magbigay ng init sa kanya at para igatong sa pagluluto. Ang isang piraso ay ginagawang rebulto para sambahin. 16 Ang ibang piraso ng kahoy ay ginagawang panggatong. Dito siya nag-iihaw ng karne at nasisiyahan siyang kumain nito. Kung nadarama niya ang init ng apoy ay nasasabi niya ang ganito: "Salamat at hindi na ako giniginaw!" 17 Ang natirang kahoy ay ginagawa nga niyang diyos na kanyang niluluhuran at sinasamba. Dumadalangin siya sa rebulto, "Iligtas mo ako sapagkat ikaw ang aking diyos!" 18 Ang mga taong gayon ay mga mangmang at hindi inuunawa ang kanilang ginagawa. Tinakpan nila ang kanilang mga mata at sinarhan ang isipan sa katotohanan. 19 Hindi na nila naisip na ang kaputol ng ginawa nilang rebulto ay ginamit na panggatong sa pagluluto ng tinapay at karneng kanilang kinain. Hindi man lamang nila itinanong sa kanilang sarili kung hindi kaya karumal-dumal ang sumamba sa isang pirasong kahoy. 20 Ang mga gumagawa nito'y parang kumakain ng abo. a Lubusan na siyang nailigaw ng kanyang maling paniniwala at mahirap nang ituwid. At hindi siya papayag na ang rebultong hawak niya ay hindi mga diyos.
PLEASE - can someone find just ONE example of a ministry or individual that denies Jesus is God incarnate who ALSO operates in the anointing of the Spirit to heal the sick and set people free from demons? I'm looking for it but can't find it. So far I see that those who deny His Deity are Cesaarionists (believing miracles have ceased with the last apostle or the assinine teaching that we don't need miracles anymore bc we now have the Bible). This is NOT to say that ALL of doctrine must be biblically accurate if God is to use us in mighty ways - ofherwise NONE of us could be His instruments. But on SOME issues, YES - such as the FULL TRUTH of Jesus' identity and nature. Sound doctrine is paramount by it is the foundation of our faith, and while the Holy Spirit indwells all true believers, He does NOT anoint every believer - whether it is due to tolerating sin or significant false doctrine. This is ALSO not to say that if you find someone anointed like that who denies Jesus is God, it must mean they are right on that issue. First, the enemy can counterfeit genuine miracles and secondly, even if it is truly of God, it doesn't mean He "endorses" that doctrine. Just highly doubt you will find a believer who rejects Christ's Deity who also walks in God's POWER
+Gio Alvarez Tell your ministers to go out and meet people with questions, or, do their evangelical mission outside of your kapilya. Correct me if I am wrong, but, I have yet to see any Iglesia Ni Cristo member sharing what they believe on the streets. You are always doing it inside your "kapilya." Why?
They ask Jesus what do the Father look like, Jesus said how long must I be with you. You seen me you seen the Father, me and the Father are one and the same.😃
@@gutadin5 hindi nyo maintindihan yung nakasulat Ang ibig sabihin nyan Kung papanong ang Ama ay maawain at mapagmahal Ay ganun din ang Anak Kung papanong ang Ama ay nagbibigay ng tawad ay ganun din ang Anak samakatuwid sila ay iisa Hindi yung literal na iisa HAHAH kung gagawin nyong literal ibig sabihin nung namatay ang panginoong Jesus Namatay din ang Ama ? Hahahah ibig sabihin namatay ang Diyos? Hahaha
@@inuyashakagura7349 anu yan INC manalo lng ang may karapatang bumasa at mag preach? Yan kasi turo nila sa inyo hind maintindihan ang biblia, nkasulat n nga iibahin nyo, kaya ayaw kau pagbasahin ng biblia dahil malalaman nyo ang katotohanan, sabihin ng mga ministro nyo cla lng nkakaintindi, kaya kayong members pasugo magazine lng bibabasa nyo, kung magsimba kayo na members ni wala nkahawak ng biblia.
Questions to promote thinking and reason. Q1. Jesus was a Jew, correct? And he agreed with the Jews that there is only ONE true God, which is what the Jews believed then and still do today. And the Jews did not (and still do not) believe in a Trinity. Therefore, where does he specifically preach and teach that he no longer agrees with the Jewish teaching that there is ONE true God? In prayer he says in John 17:3, "this means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom YOU sent, Jesus Christ." Here he is in agreement with Jewish belief in God, and mentions himself separately and apart from 'the only true God'. Q2. The Bible clearly states that Jesus is the "firstborn of all creation" in Col 1:15. The English word "firstborn" is clearly understood to be someone "born". Rev 3:14 says that Jesus is "the beginning of God's creation." Therefore, if you are going to suggest that "firstborn" means something different than created in these two scriptures, while it clearly relates to actually being "born" in the upwards of 30 times used prior to Col 1:15, WHO THEN IS THE ACTUAL FIRSTBORN OF GOD? Think about that? If it isn't Jesus, who then, and why is this person not prominently discussed in scripture since being the "firstborn", especially if God's very own firstborn, is considered important? Q3. Since the Christian congregation was originally started with those who converted from Judaism, and since Jews believed there was only ONE true God (YHWH, Jehovah), why do we not read about the controversy that would have definitely sprung up had Jesus introduced a new concept of Trinity? We read nothing of objections from Jews in this regard, or corrections by Jesus in defense to the teaching. Nothing. So where is the controversy? Q4. Why is the Trinity itself not explained in scripture? Why is it not mentioned, and why do we not find it taught specifically and a focus of the disciples? It would obviously start off with Jesus saying "I and the Father and the Holy Spirit are one God." But it does not. Q5. God is always referred to by singular pronouns which exclude the notion of multiple persons of God. "I" and "he" and "himself", etc. When there is reference to "us", he is clearly communicating with others and not talking to himself. So if God was actually 3 in 1, why is 'He' referred as a singular pronoun? Mark 12:29 "Jesus answered: 'The Lord our God is one Lord." Q6. God is omniscient. Jesus is not omniscient. God (Jehovah) knows all things. Jesus confessed more than once that he does not know all things. Matthew 24:36. Only the Father knows, not the Son, of the time of the end. If Jesus was God, he would also know the end. To imply that human Jesus does not know but spirit Jesus knows would imply a division of MIND, not nature. The Trinity teaches the Jesus has two natures, human and God. Two NATURES (human, God) is not a division of MIND. Therefore, if he was God-Man, while his nature is human, is mind should always be God and therefore all knowing. Clearly this is not the case based on scripture. This is a problem for Trinitarians.
+Great Bread John 20:17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
+Tristan Sim Jesus is eternal as that he will exist forever. This was granted to him following his resurrection. Isaiah 9:6 says "For a child has been born to us, a Son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name WiLL BE called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. In contrast, his Father, Jehovah (YHWH), has always existed and will exist forever. He is known as Almighty God, as opposed to simply 'Mighty' God. Humans were created with everlasting life in view. All they need do is remain obedient to God. Adam and Eve did not obey, but sinned, and thus we lost everlasting life. Our human father failed us. The hope of escaping the bonds of sin (and thus death as a result) rested on being ransomed from the bondage of sin. As a perfect man lost life for all of us, it would require a perfect man (an equivalent payment) to ransom our life. No perfect man existed, however. Thus due to God's love for us, he gave His only-begotten Son as a ransom. Thus his Son, who had been at his side since the beginning of creation in Heaven, was removed from his place and made lower than angels, to be born human, through a human woman Mary. He would be the first perfect human born since Adam and Eve. Apparently our imperfection is passed through the father's side. Now Jesus, as a perfect human (the last Adam), must first live life as a human without sinning in order to be acceptable as an unblemished lamp for sacrifice. To the end, he was sinless and worthy. He was killed, and remained dead for three days as prophesied. Upon resurrection opens the way for eternal life (to be eternal) for all those who exercise faith in this sacrifice of Jesus. He thus, in replacement of Adam, is our Eternal Father. He has the power and authority (and desire) to give obedient humans the prospect of eternal life. So yes, Jesus is eternal. And we too have the hope of being eternal if we are obedient to the word.
it is so painfully obvious that the trinity is not a Biblical teaching - and yet, millions of people cling to this belief as though it was more important then the Bible itself - how sad
To whomever does not understand Oneness, In the book of Psalms chapter 2; 7 King David is referred to by God as His Son, further more His begotten Son. My question for you is this, would you or would your theological doctrine consider this to be considered as "figurative" speech or would this passage to David be considered as a literal value? Would it be safe to say that God whether in flesh "Jesus" or in Spirit uses metapherein speech? Are you aware that the same questions that you have presented here have the literal values that the Jews used to question Jesus? God is referring to the study and discerning "Diakrisis" of His Word through the Holy Spirit when we refer to the scriptures below. He does not mean to Study His Word and discern the meanings through the theory of men or doctrines of demons. The 100% use of literal value is not applicable since the Bible is written with a 'rhetorical trope' for Gods elect to comprehend. "David" God's Begotten Son Psalm 2;7 6"But as for Me, I have installed My King Upon Zion, My holy mountain." 7"I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You. ask of me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance, And the very ends of the earth as Your possession.… Timothy 2;15 14 Remind them of these things, and solemnly charge them in the presence of God not to wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers. 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. 16 But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness,… Ephesians 4:4-6 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Isaiah 8:19-20 19 And when they say to you, “Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter,” should not a people seek their God? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living? 20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Titus 1;1 1 Paul, a bond-servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, 1 for the faith of those chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness,
“And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.” Luke 1:30-31 KJV
@@Plumbersinmurrieta numbers 23:19 God is not a man nor a Son of man. Therefore, if Christ is a man (and He surely is) and a Son of Man (as we all knew) proves his difference to the True God... CHRIST IS NOT GOD BLIND MAN... WHERE DID YOUR FAITH ABOUT CHRIST AS GOD PUT YOU?
@@septemberavenue8344 Christ was a man correct but the spirit in Christ was God!!! “to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.” 2 Corinthians 5:19
Why the Iglesia Ni Cristo worship the Lord Jesus Christ if he is NOT A GOD or Lord God?? Deuteronomy 5:7 states “YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BESIDE ME.” 1. This verse refers to NO OTHER than the Father. AGREE? 2. Deut. 5:7 states “YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BESIDE ME.” 3. The thing is INC1914 does NOT TREAT and WORSHIP Christ as a GOD. INC1914 ACKNOWLEDGED and WORSHIP Jesus as Christ and LORD( made by God) , MEDIATOR and SAVIOR(made by God). NOT as a GOD or Lord God. In short, the INC1914 is NOT VIOLATING Deut. 5:7. Cause we worship the Father as GOD ALONE(John 17:3). And we worship Jesus as Christ and LORD(made by God) , MEDIATOR and SAVIOR(made by God). NOT as GOD. In fact, the Lord Jesus Christ himself attested that God “THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD” (John 17:1 &3), where Christ is already CLOSING THE BELIEF THAT THERE IS ANOTHER GOD BESIDE THE FATHER. And we know very well, even TRINATARIANS attested that Jesus is NOT the FATHER and the FATHER is NOT Jesus. --Then why INC1914 worship Christ if he is NOT a GOD? We worship the Lord Jesus Christ, because it is a COMMANDMENT of God the Father. “That at the NAME OF JESUS every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] “LORD”, TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER. “ (Philippians 2:10-11) We cannot DENY the FACT that God the FATHER commanded us to worship Jesus as a Lord NOT AS A GOD and Christ. And we know very well that Jesus was MADE as a LORD by God the Father (Acts 2:36). THE LORD GOD IS GLORIFIED WHEN WE FOLLOW HIS WILL. --Moreover, we worship the Lord Jesus Christ because not because he is God but because he (who committed no sin) agreed to die for the redemption of humans from their sins and through him (Christ), they were made sons and daughters of God. And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation. 10You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth. (Rev. 5:9-10) On the other hand we worship the Lord God because HE is the creator of all things “You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.”(Rev. 4:11) --Then, Who is VIOLATING Det. 5:7? The OUTSIDERS who believe that “Jesus is God” are the one that VIOLATING Det. 5:7. Because they TREAT AND WORSHIP Jesus as a GOD or Lord God which is CONTRARY to the word of God the Father on Deut. 5:7 “DO NOT WORSHIP OTHER GODS BESIDE ME” --And for one to realize Jesus was made LORD by God(Father) “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, THAT GOD HATH MADE THE SAME JESUS, WHOM YE HAVE CRUCIFIED, BOTH LORD AND CHRIST.”(Acts 2:36) --NOBODY made God a LORD. The LORDSHIP of God is inherent in him (Matt. 11:25, Luke 10:21). On the other hand, Jesus was MADE Lord. God did not make any other man lord like Christ. That’s why the LORDSHIP of Christ is not INHERENT IN HIM, but given to him by God the FATHER (Acts 2:36, Matthew 22:44, Psalm 110:1). Therefore, Jesus Christ CANNOT be GOD. Even the Lord Jesus Christ worships the FATHER. The FATHER is the LORD of heaven and earth, as what our Lord Jesus Christ stated “At that time Jesus said, "I PRAISE YOU, FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH”(Matt. 11:25, Luke 10:21). For our Lord God the FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD(John 17:3), who created the heaven and earth. This statement is recited ever since the day of Abraham. “…Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth. 20And praise be to God Most High, who delivered your enemies into your hand.” (Gen. 14:19-20, 22) “15And Hezekiah prayed to the LORD: “LORD, the God of Israel, enthroned between the cherubim, you alone are God over all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth.” (2 King 19:15) “We are the servants of the God of heaven and earth”(Ezra 5:11) “May you be blessed by the LORD, the Maker of heaven and earth.” (Ps. 115:15, Ps. 121:2) “LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, enthroned between the cherubim, you alone are God over all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth.” (Is. 37:16) “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands” (Acts 17:24) As our Lord Jesus Christ attested that God the FATHER is the LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH”(Matt. 11:25, Luke 10:21).
Didn't the God of the old testament said that too??? all knees shall bow to God?? Isaiah 45:21.........."who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there ,( who is the one LORD GIO? ICOR 8:6 Mark 12:29 hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord.) is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. 22Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. I wonder who this God is?? he said no other Saviour!!! Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.Tell ye, and bring them near, and let them take counsel together,.... Tell them what I say of their ignorance and stupidity; and gather them all together, their gods, their makers, and their worshippers, and let them lay their heads together, and consult what proof they are able to give of their divinities, particularly by foretelling things to come: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? that is, who of all their gods or priests have ever declared this or anyone thing at any distance of time before it came to pass? either this everlasting salvation of my people, or the redemption by Cyrus, which was a type of it, and was spoken of beforehand? have ever any of them foretold anything like this, and it came to pass as predicted? not one of them. Have not I the Lord? he had. Christ, by his Spirit in the prophets, signified before hand his sufferings and his death, and the glory that should follow, 1 Peter 1:11 and when he was here on earth, he foretold his being betrayed to the chief priests; his being delivered to the Gentiles; his scourging and crucifixion, and resurrection from the dead; all which came to pass exactly as he had predicted, Matthew 20:18, and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour: there is "none beside me", Christ is the one God with the Father and Spirit, and there is no other; nor any Saviour of lost sinners, but him; there is salvation in him, and in no other; and he is "just" in things pertaining to God, in satisfying his justice, and fulfilling his law; he was set forth as Mediator to declare his righteousness, and which is displayed in the work of redemption by him; so that God is just, while he is the justifier of him that believes in him, Romans 3:25. Look unto me,.... And not to idols, nor to any creature, nor to the works of your hands; to your own righteousness and doings; to your wounds; to your tears and humiliations; to your own hearts and frames; to your graces and the exercise of them; all must be looked off of, and Christ only looked unto by a direct act of faith, for righteousness, for pardon, for all supplies of grace, and for glory and eternal happiness. He is to be looked unto as the Son of God, whose glory is the glory of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth; as the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world; as the only Mediator between God and man; as the Saviour and Redeemer of lost sinners; and considered in all his offices and relations: under all circumstances he is to be looked to; when in the dark, look to him for light; when dead and lifeless, look to him for life; when weak, look to him for strength; when sick, look to him for healing; when hungry, look to him for food; and when disconsolate, look to him for comfort; for none ever look to him and are ashamed or disappointed, they have what they look for; and as it is profitable, so pleasant to look to Jesus, and he himself is well pleased with it; and therefore here encourages to it, adding, and be ye saved; or, "ye shall be saved" (e): Christ is set up in the Gospel, and the ministration of it to be looked at, that men may be saved by him; and it is the will of God, not only that men should look to him, but that whosoever sees him, and believes in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life: the ministers of the Gospel are appointed to show men the way of salvation by Christ, and to assure them that he that believes in him shall be saved; and saints in all ages have looked unto him, and have been saved by him; and therefore this may be taken for a sure and certain thing, that such that look to Christ, as the Israelites did to the brasen serpent, the type of him, shall be saved, John 3:14, I john 5:12 "he that has the Son hath Life!!
Oh rukia. God is Lord is different from Jesus is Lord. unless u contradict ur trinity doctrine again and say Jesus is the Father and vice versa?? again and again. The Father was the INHERENT LORD GOD of the Bible. (MATT. 11:25, LUKE 10:21) Jesus was made Lord by the FATHER only in the New Testament. (Acts 2:36) A God is NOT MADE Lord The Father rule over Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 11:3) Jesus said “THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I” (John 10:29, John 14:28) The Father was excluded from the LORDSHIP/ authorities and ruling of the Lord Jesus (1 Cor. 15:27) Jesus will surrender or put himself under the rule of the Father after the Day of Judgement.”(1 Cor. 15:28) (1 Cor. 15:24-25) That’s why the question is ---Is the Father included from the LORDSHIP, authority and ruling of the Lord Jesus Christ?? NOOO --That’s why for u to be able to prove that the Lord Jesus Christ is God, where in the Bible that Jesus is excluded from the LORDSHIP, ruling and authority of the FATHER? --Beside, How can Trinitarians promote their God Trinity, if the Holy Spirit is missing from LORDSHIP?? And ---The LORD GOD of Isaiah is the FATHER “Doubtless thou art our FATHER, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our FATHER our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.”(ISAIAH 63:15) “But now, O LORD, thou art our FATHER; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.”(ISAIAH 64:8) The Father does not acknowledged any God beside himself (Isaiah 45:21, Isaiah 46:9, Isaiah 44:8, Isaiah 43:10-11), HE stretched forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth by HIMSELF.”(Isaiah 44:24) That’s why our Lord Jesus Christ attested that the FATHER is the Lord. “At that time Jesus said, "I praise YOU, FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH”,(Matt. 11:25, Luke 10:21) Which is ONE: “Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD”(Mark 11:29 a quotation of Deuteronomy 6:4) Which is also the ONLY TRUE GOD: “After Jesus finished saying this, he looked up to heaven and said, FATHER, the hour has come. Give glory to your Son, so that the Son may give glory to you. And eternal life means to know you(FATHER), the only true God, and to know Jesus Christ, whom you(FATHER) sent.” (John 17:1&3, Good News Translation) As The Lord Jesus Christ stated ”THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD “(John 17:1-3), “THE FATHER IS THE LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH” (Matt. 11:25, Luke 10:21), “'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD”(Mark 11:29) (a quotation of Deuteronomy 6:4), “THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I”(John 14:28, John 10:29) Q: Who is the 1 LORD GOD? A: Jesus said the FATHER Q: Who is the ONLY TRUE GOD? A: Jesus said the FATHER Q: Who is the 1 GOD? A: The OT prophets, the apostles and Jesus said the FATHER Q: Who is 1 LORD? A: The Apostles say JESUS Q: Are 1 LORD and 1 LORD GOD the same??? NOOOO “Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6) The Lord Jesus Christ is the way and the truth and the life, NOT Constantine and ur pagan Fathers who formulated the Jesus-is-God doctrines on the 3rd Century. For the Lord Jesus Christ attested “I am a man telling you the TRUTH which I heard from God” (John 8:40)
That's why -QUESTIONS 1. The Father says worship Jesus as a Lord and Christ, why do u worship Jesus as a God or Lord God? 2. Why do u ignore and add on the commandment of God on Philippians 2:10-11 that Jesus must worship as a Lord and Christ? Where in the Bible that God said worship Jesus as a LORD GOD or as God? ---QUESTIONS 1. How many God do u worship?? 2. Who is the God that u worship?? ---And where is ur God the Holy Spirit?? are u excluding ur God the Holy Spirit again?? Ur pagan fathers wll get mad at u if u exclude ur God the Holy Spirit rukia. lols
Kyrios or kurios (Ancient Greek: κύριος) is a Greek word which is usually translated as "lord" or "master".This Greek word was at first an adjective, mean¬ing "having power or authority." If being called lord (Kyrios) means God, then .Pilate who is called Kyrios means he is also a God??? ““Sir (Kyrios),” they said, “we remember that while he was still alive that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise again.” (Matt. 27:63) .The owners of colt who are called Kyriosmeans they are also Gods??? “As they were untying the colt, its owners (Kyrios),” asked them, “Why are you untying the colt?” (Luke 19:33) .Phillipwho is called Kyrios means he is also a God??? “They came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee, with a request. “Sir(Kyrios),” they said, “we would like to see Jesus.” (John 12:21) .The angel/angels who are called Kyrios mean they are also a God??? “Cornelius stared at him in fear. “What is it, Lord (Kyrios)?” he asked”(Acts 10:4) (Gen. 19:1-2) (Judges 6:12-13) (Zec. 4:5, 4:13, Zec. 6:4) .Paul and Silas who are called Kyrios means they are also Gods??? “29The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs (Kyrios), what must I do to be saved?”(Acts 16:29-30) .King Agrippa who is called Kyrios means he is also a God??? “Of whom I have no certain thing to write unto my lord(Kyrios). Wherefore I have brought him forth before you, and specially before thee, O king Agrippa, that, after examination had, I might have somewhat to write.”(Acts 25:26) .Abraham who is called Kyrios means he is also a God??? “So Sarah laughed to herself as she thought, “After I am worn out and my lord (Kyrios) is old, will I now have this pleasure? (Gen. 18:12) . Esau who is called Kyrios means he is also a God??? “He instructed them: “This is what you are to say to my lord (Kyrios) Esau: ‘Your servant Jacob says, I have been staying with Laban and have remained there till now. (Gen. 32:4)” . Pharaoh who is called Kyrios means he is also a God??? “You have saved our lives,” they said. “May we find favor in the eyes of our lord(Kyrios); we will be in bondage to Pharaoh.” (Gen. 47:25) .Joseph who is called Kyrios means he is also a God??? “So then, it was not you who sent me here, but God. He made me father to Pharaoh, lord (Kyrios) of his entire household and ruler of all Egypt” (Gen. 45:8, Psalm 105:21) .King David who is called Kyrios means he is also a God??? “Then Nathan asked Bathsheba, Solomon’s mother, “Have you not heard that Adonijah, the son of Haggith, has become king, and our lord(Kyrios) David knows nothing about it?(1 Kings 1:11)” .Elijah who is called Kyrios means he is also a God??? “As Obadiah was walking along, Elijah met him. Obadiah recognized him, bowed down to the ground, and said, “Is it really you, my lord(Kyrios) Elijah?” (1 KING 18:7)
John 8:40 - Jesus said “I AM A MAN” Luke. 24:39 - Jesus said “Behold MY HANDS AND MY FEET” Acts 2:22 - Peter said “Jesus is a man” 1 Tim. 2:5 - Paul said “the man, Jesus Christ” Heb. 10:12 - Paul said “Jesus, the man, sitted at the right hand of God” James 5:6 - James said “Jesus is a righteous MAN” 2nd Century - Iganatius said Jesus is God??? What happened???? Apostle John stated “There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was TRULY HUMAN, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: DECEIVER! ANTICHRIST! “(2 John 1:7, MSG) Trinitarians and Jesus-is-God theology are antichrist and deceiver for they deny the Lord Jesus Christ as flesh and blood human being by nature, rather they made the Lord Jesus Christ a God, a SPIRIT by nature, having no flesh and bones(John 4:24, Luke. 24:39)
+Gio Alvarez I must say Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons are better "cult" than Iglesia Ni Cristo because they are always on the streets sharing their "false" beliefs. They beat you on that level. But, they are "apostate" just the same.
Ed Pan, you were just the same as your father the devil. You just can not give up your pride just as the devil. Pride is the reason why the devil is thrown. You just can't defend your faith... as I can see in here that when you can not answer questions you resort to maligning religions. And that is because of your pride just as your father the devil. Tell us what is your religion and who is the founder of your religion? Can't tell us? I am sure you can't coz if you tell us, it will be exposed here. The more you throw curses on us the more you show the devil hidden on you.. Jesus has been attacked many times with those harsh words by the Jews whose father is the devil but He remain humble and true Christians should do likewise. now tell us in here the name of your religion? and who is the founder of your religion??...afraid that it is a cult? what would you do now?.... try to hide and lie about it... just as your father the devil.
+Raeini Yarzo I belong to a bible believing church that share God's Word on the street and not hiding in your "kapilya." Furthermore, I share the gospel of Jesus as the apostles did and exalted Jesus as the Lord and God, and not demoted Him to just a man and created being, but pray to the Father through Him, which made you contradict your teachings and guilty of idolatry. You call your organization Iglesia Ni Cristo, but not exalting Jesus to His proper place. Do you really believe that without joining Iglesia Ni Cristo one cannot get salvation? You were duped into believing that teaching. Read the bible yourself.
+Raeini Yarzo Now, let me ask you the same question. Where is Felix Manalo's name in the bible. Do not tell me that the New Testament is finished written so we cannot see his name there. That is bogus! Do you preach the gospel of Jesus as the believers did in the New Testament? If not, then maybe your teaching ia the the one that came from the god of rhis world!
See, I told you... you will try to hide it and avoid the question I was asking. Again, I am asking you to tell us in here the name of your religion? and who is the founder of your religion??...afraid that it is a cult? You were just like your father the devil
1 Lord 1 faith 1 baptism Jesus is both Christ and Lord devine and human the 1 God of the old testament incarnated :P I know who the son of God is the image of God!!
Bakit masasabi mong lumang tugtugin nayan, yan ang katthanan bakit sasabihin mong lumang tugtugin kayo ang hunghang mismong si Jesus na ang nagsasabing sya ay tao eh sainyo pinag pipilitan ninyong dios sino ba ang paniniwalaan kayo o si Jesus mismo na sya mismo ang may katawan, panay kayo bulaang mangangaral aminin ninyo ang katthanan na mali ang palagay ninyo at huag ninyong lokohin ang mga tao kong hindi kaba naman stupido tatlo naging isa stupido kayo stupido niloloko ninyo ang mga tao para kumita kayo ng pera sa pang loloko sa mga tao mantakin mong kong hindi kaba naman stupido si Jesus nagsasabi syang syay tao, tapos ikaw pinagpipilitan mong dios talagang stupido kayo subra mang loloko kayo ng tao para kumita kayo ng pera mga stupido kayo
And why Trinitarians limits the number of godhead into 3? Godhead is also found on “Now the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an EVIL SPIRIT FROM THE LORD terrorized him. “(1 Samuel 16:14) “And I looked, and behold, in the midst of throne and the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD sent out into all the earth. (Rev. 5:6) --So, why not include the evils spirit of god and the seven spirits of god on the godhead of ur Trinity??
listen carefully the debate and analiyze.Every scriptures that inc debater was coming from the bible all you have to do just open your heart!!!!!! and be open minded!!!!!!
@@joelandrews5489There it is... ordinary members are advised to point to the ministers for answers. If by chance you find a man mortally wounded by a riding in tandem. The man knows that he's going to die and ask you, what is the gospel? " I'm scared to die i hav only a few minutes i'm a criminal and not saved please give me the gospel please." If the answer is attend that 27 or 28 lessons for brainwashing and be baptized that is not the gospel. Typically, Christians present the gospel to anyone willing to listen anytime of the day, not dependent on their elders or pastors because the great commission is given by extension to all the called out ones.
Of course coming from a devoted illiterate too!!! ha! ha! ha! even if you win all the debates in the world yet your soul is still under condemnation!!! it won't do you any good!!!!
+Gio Alvarez Apostle John in 12:37-41 quoted Isaiah 6:1-10. Tell us why did the apostle quoted Isaiah? But, I have to warn you, it needs some thinking or looking at the CONTEXT, which you are having difficulty.😊
It is really hard to understand God, and if you think you know everything about God then you make Jesus a Liar. Matt. 11:27All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son. John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. How can you understand the Father when you haven't heard his voice nor seen his shape!!! God alone is a complicated subject!!! I Cor 2: 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. we believed because we used the eyes of faith.
onepunch rukia MOSES (Old T)___Hear O Israel thee Lord "Our" God is One. JESUS (New T)___Hear O Israel thee Lord "Our" God is One. Jews believes in this most important commandment of God given to Moses...If only you Christians should have believed in this most important commandment of God given to Jesus as well, you will not be confused as you were then, today, and forever. In facts you will be doing more good to your brain than damaging it.
YOU SAID:" MOSES (Old T)___Hear O Israel thee Lord "Our" God is One. JESUS (New T)___Hear O Israel thee Lord "Our" God is One. can you say. that the word God is singular "one"then you need to study harder my friend, everytime the word God used in the Bible are plural in meaning, elohim is a plural in form. Let us make man "!!! let us go down"!!! the angels cannot create they are created being, so God wasn't referring to the angels when God said " let us make man"!!!who shall go for us? that my friend is something you should think about and not just following your minister and believing whatever they whisper to your ears!!! Psam 110:1 The Lord - God the father. Said - Decreed it from eternity, and in due time published this decree, and actually executed it; which he did when he raised up Christ from the dead, and brought him into his heavenly mansion. Unto - Unto his son the Messiah, whom David designedly calls his Lord, to admonish the whole church, that although he was his son according to his human nature, yet he had an higher nature, and was also his Lord, as being God blessed for ever, and consequently Lord of all things. The Hebrew word Adon is one of God's titles, signifying his power and authority over all things, and therefore is most fitly given to the Messiah, to whom God hath delegated all his power Matt 28:18. Sit - Now take thy rest and the possession of that sovereign kingdom and glory, which by right belongeth to thee; do thou rule with me with equal power and majesty, as thou art God;here's another one Ps110The Lord said unto my Lord,.... The Targum is, "the Lord said in his Word.'' Galatinus (q) says the true Targum of Jonathan has it, "the Lord said to his Word;'' and produces an authority for it. These are the words of Jehovah the Father to his Son the Messiah; the "Adon", or Lord, spoken of in Isaiah 6:1, the one Lord Jesus, and only Potentate; the Lord of all, the Lord of David, and of every believer; not by right of creation only, as of all mankind; but by redemption, having bought them
Christ attested that God the Father is the Lord. “At that time Jesus said, "I praise YOU, FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH”,(Matt. 11:25, Luke 10:21) Which is ALSO ONE . “Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD”(Mark 11:29) (a quotation of Deuteronomy 6:4) Which is also the ONLY TRUE GOD “After Jesus finished saying this, he looked up to heaven and said, FATHER, the hour has come. Give glory to your Son, so that the Son may give glory to you. And eternal life means to know you(FATHER), the only true God, and to know Jesus Christ, whom you(FATHER) sent.” (John 17:1&3, Good News Translation)
--Christ was made LORD by God(Father) “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, THAT GOD HATH MADE THE SAME JESUS, WHOM YE HAVE CRUCIFIED, BOTH LORD AND CHRIST.”(Acts 2:36) --NOBODY made God a LORD. The LORDSHIP of God is inherent in him. (Matt. 11:25, Luke 10:21)On the other hand, Jesus was MADE lord. The LORDSHIP of Christ is not INHERENT IN HIM (Acts 2:36). Therefore, Jesus Christ CANNOT be GOD
there is no verse that Jesus said " im the only one true God"...si Jesus mismo kinikilala nya na only (ang Ama lamang) the"FATHER" is only the true God.....ngayon kayo naman kinikilala nyo si Jesus na "God"nagkakasala na kayo nyan dahil di nyo sinusunod utos ng Ama.
Nancy Jackson DO you read the bible or just memorize what INC feeds you ? Why does INC use LAMSA to prove that the CHURCH is INC? You know that LAMSA taught that JESUS is BOTH man and SPIRIT at the same time? Why did JESUS say that HE came DOWN from HEAVEN if HE NEVER existed PRIOR? Why did JESUS say that HE had NOT yet RETURNED to the FATHER if HE NEVER existed BEFORE? IF JESUS is a man ONLY why did he tell the phariseees that they are of this WORLD and HE is NOT?? Why is JESUS called the AUTHOR of LIFE if The FATHER created alone? Gen 1;26 Who is the US and OUR if the FATHER created ALONE?? PLEASE don't tell me ANGELS as ANGELS are NOT mentioned there ANGELS played no part in CREATION!!
nagpapatawa kaba don't be sarcastic sa tanong mo,si jesus tao naman talaga sya tulad mo at ako.pero natatangi sya dahil mediator ,saviour natin sya.may lamang tao sya at may spirit/kaluluwa tulad natin.ako may spirit ako/kaluluwa at kalamnan tulad ng bituka,kamay paa,dugo,binti,hita,daliri etc. kapareha kita kapareaha natin si jesus na tao hindi sya dios.pero ang pagkakaiba natin kay jesus at saviour,mediator natin sya? peace
Nancy Jackson Please reply to me in English as my interpreter is NOT always available. I asked several questions which you NEVER addressed 1. JESUS said I came DOWN from HEAVEN sent by the FATHER 2. JESUS said; I have NOT yet RETURNED to the FATHER 3. JESUS while on the cross " Father RETURN to me the GLORY I HAD with you from BEFORE the world was CREATED: 4. John said in John 1;3 " ALL things were CREATED by HIM (JESUS) 5. Paul says in Colossians That BY JESUS all things were CREATED in HEAVEN and in EARTH 6. INC only cites the LAMSA bible cause it says church of CHRIST where as the ORIGINAL greek says church of GOD Finally Since paul says that JESUS took on FLESH and thereby HUMBLING HIMSELF making HIMSELF lower than the angels That of course as a HUMAN he would have INTESTINES!! That's is SARCASM at its FINEST!!
Jesus himself know that the only true God is the Father.Now if people don't follow Jesus.that the only true God of Jesus is the Father then now there is a problem.because they didn't obey Jesus nor the Father.
Nancy Jackson Are you responding to what I write or are you just repeating the same old ISOLATED verses that INC uses in their false teachings 1. JESUS said in John 17:5 that " RETURN to me the GLORY that I had with YOU the FATHER from BEFORE the world was CREATED" Question: A. IF JESUS had GLORY. where did that GLORY go to that HE now WANTS it to be RETURNED? B. How can JESUS say HE had GLORY from BEFORE creation if according to INC JESUS NEVER existed BEFORE i the womb of MARY? Following JESUS means that one is SAVED or is BAPTIZED through the spilled blood of CHRIST Tha'ts BAPTISM and that is for the ELECT Not some church that started by a FALSE prophet in Manalo
The doctrine of the Trinity teaches that there is one God who exists eternally in three distinct persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. Each person of the Trinity is fully God, yet there is only one God. This concept is based on the revelation of God in the Bible, which portrays God as both threefold in personhood and onefold in essence. Regarding creation, the Bible attributes the act of creation to God (Genesis 1:1), and it also describes the role of the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit in creation. For example, John 1:3 states that all things were made through the Word (Jesus), and Genesis 1:2 describes the Spirit of God hovering over the waters at the beginning of creation. Therefore, while there is one Creator, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all involved in the act of creation, highlighting their unity and distinctiveness within the Trinity.
Does John 1:1 says Jesus is a true God??? NOOO How can ur ASSUMPTION that on the 3RD CLAUSE of John 1:1 “the WORD(Pre Incarnate Jesus in the TRINITARIAN VIEW and Jesus is God theology) is GOD” validate the 1st CLAUSE and 2nd CLAUSE? John 1:1 states 1st CLAUSE: “In the BEGINNING was the Word” God is ETERNAL, NO BEGINNING and ENDING(PSALM 90:2. The WORD/LOGOS has a beginning(John 1:1).In fact, God foreknown Christ before the foundation of the world(1 Pet. 1:20). And Jesus himself has a beginning for he came from the FATHER(John 8:42) and was conceived and born of a woman named Mary through the Holy Spirit (Gal. 4:4; Matt. 1:18, 20) 2ND CLAUSE: “And the WORD was WITH GOD” “And the GOD was WITH GOD” How many GOD existing then, If the WORD is ALSO GOD? It will Result to an absurd conclusion that there would be two Gods which is clearly contradictory to the biblical truth, according to Jesus himself, that: "The Lord our God. THE LORD IS ONE!" (Mark 12:29-30 a quotation of Deuteronomy 6:4), which is the FATHER “At that time Jesus said, "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth”(Matthew 11:25), which is also the ONLY TRUE GOD . “After Jesus finished saying this, he looked up to heaven and said, FATHER, the hour has come. Give glory to your Son, so that the Son may give glory to you. And eternal life means to know you(FATHER), the only true God, and to know Jesus Christ, whom you(FATHER) sent.” (John 17:1&3, Good News Translation) 3RD CLAUSE: “And the WORD WAS GOD” New Testament was ORIGINALLY written on Greek text. NOT on English. The original word of the term "WORD" on John 1:1 and 14 is LOGOS(Λόγος) LOGOS(Λόγος) means CONCEPT, PLAN, SPEECH, WORD.(use google translate). LOGOS(Λόγος) was never referred to an existing entity. Biblical scholars say that the Logos means word, thought., concept, and the expressions thereof (Ryrie Study Bible, p. 1599). Also, the word. Logos means reason or plan (The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Micropaedia, p. 302). Thus Logos means thought, word, or plan of God, not God. And the term "God" on the 3rd clause (And the word was GOD) was functioning as an adjective. That's why on the other translations THE Logos existed in the very beginning, the Logos was with God, the Logos was DIVINE. (John 1:1, James Moffatt New Testament) In the beginning the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was DIVINE. (John 1:1, Goodspeed New Testament) The above translation of John 1:1 is describing the LOGOS(Λόγος) DIVINE. Not Title or Noun. --Even Catholic agreed that the LOGOS is a thought from the FATHER The New American Catholic Edition, Douay Confraternity Bible with comments and footnotes of verses will enable us to see the Catholic Church's understanding of the verse. In the footnote of this Bible for John 1:1 this is what they have stated. "St. John employs the term Word. It is so used only by St. John and designates the Son as a kind of intellectual emanation from the Father." If we would consult a dictionary as to the meanings of intellectual and emanation, the understanding of the verse by Catholic authorities would become much clearer. Intellectual-- "devoted to matters of the mind." Emanation--"to come out from a source." In other words "intellectual emanation from the Father" means a thought coming from the Father. JOHN 1:1 MEANING --John 1:1 signifies the PLAN OF GOD before creation and that is “This was according to the eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord”(Eph. 3:11, NAB)) “according to the plan which he had formed from all eternity in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Eph. 3:11(NJB) Apostle Paul explains that there is an eternal purpose or plan which God has accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord that is hidden for ages or formed from eternity (Eph. 3:9). In the same manner Apostle John was teaching that in the beginning or from eternity or ages ago, God already planned that there would be a Christ. That’s why God(FATHER) announced through his prophets(OT) the coming of the prophesied Messiah: “1Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God - 2 THE GOSPEL HE PROMISED BEFOREHAND THROUGH HIS PROPHETS IN THE HOLY SCRIPTURES 3 REGARDING HIS SON, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David, 4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.”(Rom. 1:1-4) Jesus come to fulfill the prophesy about the Christ/Messiah that is written in the Scriptures(Psalm 49:7, Heb. 10:7), which is fulfilled during Joseph and Mary times. “But when the fullness of the time came, GOD SENT FORTH HIS SON, BORN OF A WOMAN, BORN UNDER THE LAW”(Gal. 4:4) plus --And where is the role of Holy Spirit on John 1:1, so the Holy Spirit is excluded from that verse?? --How can Trinitarians say that the "Logos or Word" is "Christ who pre-existed as God", when the above verse also clearly says that the "Logos or Word" was with God. So, if the "Logos or Word was God", and the "Logos or Word was with God" then, it clearly follows that "God was with God". Resulting to an absurd conclusion that there would be two Gods which is clearly contradictory to the biblical truth, according to Jesus himself, that: "The Lord our God. The Lord is One!" (Mark 12:29-30)? --If we will follow the interpretation of Trinitarians on John 1:1 that Jesus is a GOD (noun, existing entity), then we would come up to conclusion that “THE WORD(JESUS) WAS WITH GOD(JESUS)” and “GOD WAS WITH GOD”. Where in the Bible that there are 2 JESUS’ and 2 GODS? That kind of argument is sooooo unbiblical And where is the role of Holy Spirit and the FATHER on John 1:1, so the Holy Spirit and God the FATHER are excluded from that verse?? lols. I thought accdg. to Trinity doctrine, when the Bible speaks of the term God, it always referred to 3 persons?? See, Trinitarians are being picky here, showing the inconsistencies of their doctrine.
Rev 11: 17Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. Matt 28:19 all power is given unto Jesus!!!!! Romans 9:5 Jesus is the overall God forever bless Amen.so who is this almighty in Rev 11:17???? Titus 2:13 looking for that blessed hope and the appearing of the great God and Saviour Jesus Christ . Rev 11:17 says this almighty is coming , and in Titus 2:13 he is coming and appearing in the sky as the great God.???? I tim 3:16 16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Now he is in heaven GIO!!! and he will be coming soon !!! to judge and to give rewards.!!!Rev 22:12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. who is this almighty giving rewards GIO???? if in doubt go to Rev 11:18 and you will have the answer!!!! ha! ha! ha! ha! loserrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus Christ will surely give rewards to the INC CULT!!!!! judgement!!!!
---Nowhere in the Bible u can read God said “I AM A MAN”. God clearly attested that he is a God and NOT A MAN. “I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I AM GOD, AND NOT MAN; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.”(Hosea 11:9) ---Nowhere in the Bible u can read Jesus said “I AM GOD”. The Lord Jesus Christ clearly attested THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD “After saying all these things, Jesus looked up to heaven and said, “FATHER, the hour has come. Glorify your Son so he can give glory back to you……And this is life eternal, that they might know YOU(FATHER) the ONLY true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you (FATHER) hast sent.”(John 17:1&3) plus, TThe Lord Jesus Christ clearly said he is not a God when he said “I AM A MAN”. “But now you seek to kill me, A MAN who was told you the truth which I heard from God.” (John 8:40). Bcoz the Lord Jesus Christ clearly knows that God is NOT A MAN AND HE NEVER CHANGE. “I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I AM GOD, AND NOT MAN; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.”(Hosea 11:9) “Descendants of Jacob, I am the LORD All-Powerful, and I NEVER CHANGE.” (Malachi 3:6, CEV) Plus, the Lord Jesus clealry attested that “God is a SPIRIT, having no flesh and bones” (John 4:24, Luke. 24:39) That’s why For you to be able that our Lord Jesus Christ is a God, Prove that Jesus is a SPIRIT Co’z God is a SPIRIT having no flesh and bones, no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Also, God never change/transform. That’s why God declared since the beginning that HE is not a human. In short, God is a SPIRIT and remained as a SPIRIT. So, Prove that Jesus is a SPIRIT in nature from beginning to end. In fact, those who deny that Jesus was a HUMAN were called ANTICHRIST (2 John 1:7, MSG)
You are avoiding the verses that crushed your illiterate understanding of the Holy Scriptures. if You noticed Gio I didn't say anything about God being a man!!! don't get out of the topic illiterate!!! when God said I am not a man, when did God said that??? after Jesus was born or before??? you should have asked God after Jesus was born!!!!. you are talking about the old testament!!! God has not manifested in the fleshed yet!!!John 1:14 ha! ha! ha! ha! you are far behind the discussion or you are not informed by your illiterate founder????ha! ha! ha! lol!!!!!!who is the Holy One GIO???Acts 3:4But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; who is the Rock Gio??? peter???2Sam 22:47The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and exalted be the God of the rock of my salvation. I cor 10:4 Christ is the Rock!!! get your theology right!!!! you have too many loop holes!!!!It's irreparable!!! I think!!! loserrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gio why do you want to dictate or revised the written word of God??? you said no where in the Bible u can read God said “I AM A MAN." is that how you interpret the Bible?? you assumed, can I used your rule of interpreting the Bible, Did Jesus said I am not God. Did Jesus said, I am not deity!! ha@! ha! ha! who is the holy one Gio ??? hosea 11:9 is Jesus the Holy One????Acts 3:14, is God the Rock of our salvation??? Is Jesus the Rock??? I cro 10:4 does God never change??? Genesis tell's us that God repented and he destroy the world save Noah and his Family. doesn't that show change repented. Gen 6: 6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 2 Kings 20 :1In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And the prophet Isaiah the son of Amoz came to him, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Set thine house in order; for thou shalt die, and not live. Gio did God change His judgement on Hezekiah???6And I will add unto thy days fifteen years. God did change!!!!! Ha! ha! ha! ha!
I dig...Hades hell and sheol are all the same place..Hell Definition: The word “hell” is found in many Bible translations. In the same verses other translations read “the grave,” “the world of the dead,” and so forth. Other Bibles simply transliterate the original-language words that are sometimes rendered “hell”; that is, they express them with the letters of our alphabet but leave the words untranslated. What are those words? The Hebrew she’ohl′ and its Greek equivalent hai′des, which refer, not to an individual burial place, but to the common grave of dead mankind; also the Greek ge′en·na, which is used as a symbol of eternal destruction. However, both in Christendom and in many non-Christian religions it is taught that hell is a place inhabited by demons and where the wicked, after death, are punished (and some believe that this is with torment).
Just because Jesus became man, does not mean that Jesus was not God. Jesus was God inside of his flesh body. One of the problems many have about Jesus is that all they see is a man that looks like them. But they didn't see his inner man, which is the true man that one will see when he leaves this earth.
I would love to debate him. The Bible begins with a Triune view of God (Genesis 1:26) and ends with one (Rev. 22). And in the pages between, it is FILLED with evidence God is NOT JUST the Father but also the Son and the Spirit--and these THREE are the ONE (there is but ONE) God. In Mark 2:5-12, Jesus proclaims Himself to be God in the flesh, BY not only healing the man, but forgiving his sins... and they said, "Who but GOD can forgive sin?" Notice, Jesus does not refute their comment. WHY?
What does it mean biblically with that praise "GOd is with us". does it mean God is physically present with us? or it mean something figurative when that praise is said.? abrupt conclusion is superficial..dig deeper my friend..
@@leonking9459 dig where? And for what reason? Do I "dig deeper" until we agree? It is not necessary for one to believe in the "Trinity" nor to understand it. A mediator is not a mediator of one. That explains exactly what I need to know. Christ submitted Himself under His Father. That tells me what I need to know. The Most High will never leave me nor forsake me. That means that He is with me. So, I can say Immanual as well. Can I not? It doesn't imply that I am part of the trinity. It does imply that We are one. Yet, it does not make me God. Regardless of the reply, I do hope you are well and still in the faith 8 years later. I apologize for not getting back sooner
The Jews killed Jesus because they didn't like his teachings, good deeds, and the claim that he's the son of God, so divine. Not because Jesus was making himself equal to father ...
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The Lord Jesus Christ will never break the law for anyone. --Our Lord Jesus Christ became a SAVIOR in accordance and fulfilment of the law. He did not become a savior without doing something. That’s why he said “I come to FULFILL the law or prophets, not to destroy” (Matt. 5:17). For the law states”… EACH IS TO DIE FOR HIS OWN SIN.” (Deut. 24:16) and the wage of sin is death (Rom. 6:23; Rev. 20:14) which is eternal hell. Our Lord Jesus pay our sins through his blood(Matt. 26:28, Heb. 9:22). In order for our Lord Jesus Christ to SAVE MANKIND without violating God’s law on Deut. 24:16. He built his church(Matt. 16:18). The church is the BODY of Christ and Jesus is the HEAD of the church(Col. 1:18). Thus, in the sight of God(FATHER), Jesus(HEAD) and the body/church of Christ stands “1 NEW MAN”(Eph. 2:15) in his sight. “By abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.HIS PURPOSE WAS TO CREATE IN HIMSELF ONE NEW MAN OUT OF THE TWO, thus making peace.” (Ephesians 2:15 NIV) That’s why our Lord Jesus Christ commands us to enter to his body/church in order to be saved(John 10:9). Co’z our Lord Jesus Christ CANNOT PAY for our sins if we are outside the body/church of Christ for it is against God’s law”… EACH IS TO DIE FOR HIS OWN SIN.” (Deut. 24:16). That’s why he said to the Jews “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He(Christ), you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24). Co’z our Lord Jesus Christ ONLY DIED for his BODY(CHURCH) Not for many or other churches . “For a husband has authority over his wife just as Christ has authority over the church; AND CHRIST IS HIMSELF THE SAVIOR OF THE CHURCH, HIS BODY.Husbands, love your wives, JUST AS CHRIST LOVED THE CHURCH AND GAVE HIMSELF UP FOR HER” (Ephesians 5:23&25) “Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock, over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, to feed the church of Christ which he has purchased with His blood (Acts 20:28 Lamsa).” --Thus, It is RIGHT and LAWFUL to call our Lord Jesus Christ “SAVIOR”, for the Church was built by the Savior primarily to save man from the punishment for his sins, which is death See link for more info - theiglesianicristo.blogspot.com/2016/11/salvation-and-church-of-christ-gods.html
How good is the blood of Jesus to effectually cleanse our sins and the sin of the whole world. is it because Acts 20:28 is really the blood of God???? if Jesus is just a mere man, what type of blood does Jesus possessed, that can continually cleanse the sin of anyone who comes to him??? is it just a normal type o ab or z??? why can't you just used Felix Manalo's blood!!! since he is the last sugo otot!!! and he is of a better founder than the Lord Jesus Christ, for he(Manalo) resurrected the church that apostate and vanished!!! a new church not the church that was founded in Jerusalem by the Lord Jesus Christ. For your Pasugo clearly state that the church that Felix Manalo registered in Philippines has no connection whatsoever to the church started in Jerusalem!!!!. What a preposterous claimed by the Illiterate Felix Manalo. and you are all been con!!!!.
I would not dare to question my God, Who is Omniscience; Omnipotent; Omnipresence. God is infinite and eternal. He will be waiting for us in the last days. I am saved by the grace of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Grilled na grilled....idol bro.joe 1:44:30 Catholic says there are 3 creator 1:46:16 says bro. Joe reading Isaiah 44 : 24 [24]Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF; (In Tagalog) Ganito ang sabi ng Panginoon, ng iyong Manunubos, at niyang naganyo sa iyo mula sa bahay-bata, Ako ang Panginoon na gumagawa ng lahat na bagay; na naglaladlad, na magisa ng langit; na naglalatag ng lupa; Kayo na po humusga.
+Raeini Yarzo Who is the true Jesus for you: 1.) An archangel that became a god, then became archangel again 2.) A man who became god and a product of god and a goddess 3.) The Word of God who was the creator of all things You answer will determine if you have the true Jesus of the bible. Or, feel free to say who Jesus is to you.😊
mali ang pagkaunawa mo. walang nilabag na aral ang INC sa katunayan si Cristo ang ulo ng kanyang Iglesia. ang ibig mong sabihin ay upang maligtas ang isang tao kailangan ang paglakad sa tamang daan upang sa kanilang ikaliligtas. malinaw na hindi naman sinabi na si Cristo na siya ay tunay na Diyos. natalikod ang unang Iglesia dahilan para mahiwalay ang tao sa tamang relihiyon kaya madaming tao ang nabulag sa mga maling aral. magsuri ka alamin mo ang katangian ng tunay na relihiyon...
saan sumabit don? di naman namin binanggit na may Diyos na naghahayag sa 3 persona, ang galing mo at alam mo ang doxology namin talagang tagumpay ang pagpapalaganap namin ng Aral ng Diyos, attend ka pa ulit, walang masama sa pagsusuri...
15 years akong naging member ng INC(manalo) kaya kabisado ko aral ng PINOY NA SUGO(FELIX MANALO) Kaya gulat ako noon ng umatend ako worship service ng Methodist inawit nila Doxology ng INK kaya taka ako bakit pareho LYRIC at TONO ng Doxology ng Methodist at INK kaya reseach ako; Kopya pala ng INC manalo ang Doxology ng Methodist eto po yun: Ang Ama ay papurihan, Anak, Espiritung , Mahal Ng mga taong nilalalang at ng tanang salangitan, Amen (kaya pinalitan ng INC itong lumang Doxology)
Oh wow, the second speaker is saying that Felix is prophesied by Isaiah? What a shame. They follow a contemporary prophet, just like Jehovah's Witnesses, like Mormons, like Adventists.
Deuteronomio 27:15 15Sumpain ang taong gumagawa ng larawang inanyuan o binubo, bagay na karumaldumal sa Panginoon, na gawa ng mga kamay ng manggagawa, at inilagay sa dakong lihim. At ang buong bayan ay sasagot at magsasabi, Siya nawa.
--1 Tim 2:5 states “For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, THE MAN Christ Jesus”. That’s why if Jesus is ur 1 God, then WHO IS UR 1 MEDIATOR?? How can God mediate for himself if the Bible stated God hated sin(Psalm 5:4) and sins departed humans from God(Is. 59:2)??
Does John 12:41 say Jesus is God??? NOOO. John 12:41 “Isaiah said these things(PLURAL FORM) because he saw his glory and spoke of him. ”is in reference to the 2 PROPHECIES which is John 12:38(a quotation of Is. 53:1) and John 12:40(a quotation of Is. 6:10), that prophesied by the prophet Isaiah NOT on Isaiah 6 ALONE. However, I would say the context of the passage gives it to us clearly: "…When Jesus had said these things, he departed and hid himself from them. Though he had done so many signs before them, they still did not believe in him, so that the word spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: “Lord, who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?" - (John 12:36-38,Is. 53:1) “For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere: He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn-and I would heal them.” - (John 12:29-40, Is. 6:10) "Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory and spoke of him. Nevertheless, many even of the authorities believed in him, but for fear of the Pharisees they did not confess it, so that they would not be put out of the synagogue; for they loved the glory that comes from man more than the glory that comes from God." - (John 12:41-43) The context makes it quite plain that John's purpose in quoting these two verses is to show how the disbelief of the Jews had been prophesied by Isaiah and this prophecy was now being fulfilled. If John 12:41 is in reference to Isaiah 6:10 and verse 3, Then Where does God the Father fit in this picture? Are we to suppose that God the Father (and the Holy Spirit) are just not there? Are we to forget they exist, or suppose they are off somewhere else, and suppose just one single person is sitting on this throne and this person is Jesus? Are we to become temporary Modalists to suit this occasion? The Trinitarian claim does not even make sense on the surface of things. JOHN 12:41: What Isaiah saw??? What Isaiah saw? The GLORY that John the Baptist describe that the prophet Isaiah saw is NOT on Isaiah 6:10 but on 53:1, for Is. 6:10 is in reference to those people who do not believe on the works and preaching of Christ which is the Jews. FULL CONTEXT starts on Is. 52:13 to Is. 53: 12 “The Suffering and Glory of the Servant “ “Behold, my servant shall understand, and be exalted, and GLORIFIED exceedingly. As many shall be amazed at thee, so shall thy face be without GLORY from men, and YOUR GLORY shall not be honoured by the sons of men. Thus shall many nations wonder at him; and kings shall keep their mouths shut: for they to whom no report was brought concerning him, shall see; and they who have not heard, shall consider.. “(Is. 52:13) “1Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? 2He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. 3He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem. 4Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted. 5But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed. 6We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. 8By oppression and judgment he was taken away. Yet who of his generation protested? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was punished.[102] 9He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, THOUGH HE HAD DONE NO VIOLENCE, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT IN HIS MOUTH. 10Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes[103] his life an offering for sin, HE WILL SEE HIS OFFSPRING AND PROLONG HIS DAYS, AND THE WILL OF THE LORD WILL PROSPER IN HIS HAND. 11AFTER HE HAS SUFFERED, HE WILL SEE THE LIGHT OF LIFE[104] AND BE SATISFIED[105]; BY HIS KNOWLEDGE[106] MY RIGHTEOUS SERVANT WILL JUSTIFY MANY, AND HE WILL BEAR THEIR INIQUITIES. 12Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[107] and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[108] because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.” (Is. 53:1-12) John says that Isaiah said these things about Jewish unbelief because he saw the Messiah's glory. Now, how does it make any rational sense to suggest Isaiah spoke about future unbelieving Jews because he saw a pre-existent Jesus sitting on a throne seven centuries before? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It only makes sense that Isaiah saw the future Messiah, his future glory, and the Jewish disbelief in response to that future Messiah. ---Christ existed as a WORD/LOGOS/PLAN in the mind of the FATHER(1 Peter 1:20) before he came to existence or made flesh(John 1:1 & 14). But God's plan to send Him had found fulfillment only when He (Christ) was conceived and born of a woman named Mary through the Holy Spirit (Gal. 4:4; Matt. 1:18, 20).So, Christ was the very first in God's plan of creation though He was not the first to be created by God. That’s why God announced to his prophets the coming of Messiah. For NO WORD from God will ever fail(Luke 1:37), If God spoken it he will make it happen.(Is. 46:11). HIS decisions will not change, If God says he will do something, then he will do it.(Num. 23:19) “1Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God - 2 THE GOSPEL HE PROMISED BEFOREHAND THROUGH HIS PROPHETS IN THE HOLY SCRIPTURES 3 REGARDING HIS SON, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David, 4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.”(Rom. 1:1-4) ---Plus, How can Jesus be a God, if the 1 Lord God of the prophet Isaiah and Lord Jesus is the FATHER. “Doubtless thou art our FATHER, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our FATHER our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.”(ISAIAH 63:15) “But now, O LORD, thou art our FATHER; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.”(ISAIAH 64:8) That’s why the Lord Jesus Christ attested that God the Father is the ONE LORD GOD of the Bible. “At that time Jesus said, "I praise YOU, FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH”,(Matt. 11:25, Luke 10:21) Which is ONE .: “Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD”(Mark 11:29) (a quotation of Deuteronomy 6:4) Which is also the ONLY TRUE GOD: “After Jesus finished saying this, he looked up to heaven and said, FATHER, the hour has come. Give glory to your Son, so that the Son may give glory to you. And eternal life means to know you(FATHER), the only true God, and to know Jesus Christ, whom you(FATHER) sent.” (John 17:1&3, Good News Translation)
+Gio Alvarez 1.)Micah 5:2 refers to ruler from Bethlehem, who is Jesus, whose goings forth have been from of OLD, from EVERLATING. The Hebrew words "from of OLD" is the exact same one used by prophet Habakkuk to refer to God's eternal nature. You missed that point. In addition, what do you mean by the word EVERLASTING? 2.) If you said that Isaiah 9:6 is not referring to Jesus, then why in verse 7 it says "He will rule with fairness and justice from the throne of His ANCESTOR David for all eternity." (NLT) Since when David becomes the ancestor of God the Father? But, in Matthew 1 you can read that David was the ANCESTOR of Jesus in His humanity. Eternal Father means He possess eternal nature or Father of Eternity, not referring to Yahweh. Besides, you ignored it as the prophecy for Israel's Hope in the Messiah. Who is the Messiah? 3.) If Jesus is not God, then why did apostle Peter ASKING ALL CHRISTIANS to WORSHIP JESUS CHRIST as Lord of your life? (1 Peter 3:15; NLT) When the bible is very clear that ONLY GOD IS TO BE WORSHIPPED! Is he teaching all believers to committ idolatry? That is unthinkable! 4.) Jesus is God because, again, He was the Creator of the heavens and earth. (Hebrews 1:10-12; Psalm 102:25-27) JESUS IS ALWAYS THE SAME, WILL LIVE FOREVER! I do not know how you define the words forever or eternal or eternity means, but, eternal or forever means BEYOND OR OUTSIDE OF TIME and only God can do that. With your answers you are just contradicting Scriptures. Jesus is both God and Human (Philippians 2), this is where you are mixed-up or ignore deliberately.😊
+Ed Pan, let me help you with your conclusions to Gio +Gio below is the conclusions of Mr Ed Pan """"" +Gio Alvarez 1.)Micah 5:2 refers to ruler from Bethlehem, who is Jesus, whose goings forth have been from of OLD, from EVERLATING. The Hebrew words "from of OLD" is the exact same one used by prophet Habakkuk to refer to GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT's eternal nature. You missed that point. In addition, what do you mean by the word EVERLASTING? 2.) If you said that Isaiah 9:6 is not referring to Jesus, then why in verse 7 it says "He will rule with fairness and justice from the throne of His ANCESTOR David for all eternity." (NLT) Since when David becomes the ancestor of GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT? But, in Matthew 1 you can read that David was the ANCESTOR of Jesus in His humanity. Eternal Father means He possess eternal nature or Father of Eternity, not referring to Yahweh. Besides, you ignored it as the prophecy for Israel's Hope in the Messiah. Who is the Messiah? 3.) If Jesus is not GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT, then why did apostle Peter ASKING ALL CHRISTIANS to WORSHIP JESUS CHRIST as Lord of your life? (1 Peter 3:15; NLT) When the bible is very clear that ONLY GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT IS TO BE WORSHIPPED! Is he teaching all believers to committ idolatry? That is unthinkable! 4.) Jesus is GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT because, again, He was the Creator of the heavens and earth. (Hebrews 1:10-12; Psalm 102:25-27) JESUS IS ALWAYS THE SAME, WILL LIVE FOREVER! I do not know how you define the words forever or eternal or eternity means, but, eternal or forever means BEYOND OR OUTSIDE OF TIME and only GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT can do that. With your answers you are just contradicting Scriptures. Jesus is both GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT and Human (Philippians 2), this is where you are mixed-up or ignore deliberately """""
Trinitarianism is simply a repackaged version of Rome’s state religion and trinity called the Capitoline Triad. This expanded timeline illustrates the transition from the worship of the Capitoline Triad in Roman religion to the adoption of Christianity as the state religion: Capitoline Triad in Roman Religion before Christianity: 8th century BC: Emergence of early Roman religious practices, though specific reference to the Capitoline Triad might not be prominent. 509 BC: Traditional date for the founding of the Roman Republic, marking an era when religious practices gained importance in the state structure. 4th century BC: The Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus, dedicated to Jupiter, was built on the Capitoline Hill, solidifying the prominence of the Capitoline Triad. 3rd century BC: The temple dedicated to Juno Regina was constructed on the Capitoline Hill, alongside the Temple of Jupiter. 2nd century BC: The Temple of Minerva Capta was built on the Capitoline Hill, completing the physical manifestation of the Capitoline Triad's significance in Rome. 27 BC to 14 AD: The establishment of the Roman Empire under Augustus, during which the worship of the Capitoline Triad continued as a central part of Roman state religion. 1st century AD: The Capitoline Triad, especially the cults of Jupiter, Juno, and Minerva, remained integral to Roman religious life and state ceremonies. Transition to Christianity in the Roman Empire: 4th century AD: Christianity gains prominence under Emperor Constantine; Christianity transitions from a persecuted religion to the state religion of the Roman Empire. Replacing the Capitoline Triad. 325 AD: The Council of Nicaea affirms and formalizes the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, establishing it as a central tenet within Christianity. The Capitoline Triad was a prominent religious concept in ancient Roman religion, consisting of three major deities: Jupiter (Jupiter Optimus Maximus), Juno (Juno Regina), and Minerva. These three gods were worshipped together as a triad and held significant importance in Roman religious beliefs and state ceremonies. The influence of the Capitoline Triad on the adoption of the Christian Trinity in the Roman Empire can be understood in a few ways: 1. Concept of a Divine Triad: The existence and acceptance of a divine triad in Roman religious beliefs may have laid a conceptual foundation or familiarized people with the idea of a threefold divine structure. The worship of three significant gods together could have prepared the Roman populace to accept the Christian concept of a triune God, even though the theological details were different. 2. Association with Power and State Religion: The Capitoline Triad was closely tied to the power structure of the Roman state. As Rome transitioned to Christianity, the Christian Trinity, with its similar structure of three divine figures (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), might have resonated with the existing social and religious order, making it more acceptable to the authorities and the populace. 3. Transition from Polytheism to Monotheism:** The concept of a triad of gods was part of Roman polytheism, where multiple deities were worshipped. The Christian Trinity presented a transition from this polytheistic belief system to a monotheistic one, albeit with a triadic structure. This shift might have been more acceptable to individuals accustomed to acknowledging multiple divine figures within a religious context. 4. Continuity of Worship Practices: The Roman Empire underwent a gradual transition from traditional Roman polytheistic beliefs to Christianity. In this transition, the continuity of religious practices, including the worship of a triadic structure of gods, could have eased the acceptance of the Christian Trinity, which presented a similar yet distinct theological framework. In summary, the Trinity concept in Christianity played a pivotal role in facilitating the acceptance and adoption of the faith among the pagan population of the Roman Empire. Its similarities to the established religious structure of the Capitoline Triad, coupled with its adaptability and strategic incorporation, contributed significantly to the successful transition of Christianity into the state religion. This nuanced assimilation strategy served as a critical tool in the conversion of the pagan majority, contributing to the rapid growth and establishment of Christianity in the Roman Empire.
"keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely that he should be equal to GOD'. - Phil. 2:5,6
To clarify there’s a Spirit Named Christ Jesus who is the Father God” he was before the Man” (body) and he created the Man Christ Jesus and made him Lord and Christ see Acts 2:36, The Spirit Christ Jesus was in the Prophets in the Old Testament see.. 1 Peter 1:10-12, so The Spirit Christ Jesus spoke of The Man Christ Jesus who is the Son that suffered” both are named Christ Jesus and the Son inherited his Father’s name see Hebrews 1:4, The Man Christ Jesus is mediator between us and The spirit Christ Jesus” when you understand Christ Jesus is the Father’s name and title first it makes sense how Jesus Christ is God” not the man Christ Jesus but the Spirit Christ Jesus, See Jude 25 - the savior is called only wise God and Savior” Original King James” Jesus Christ Is God but not God the Son, he’s The Father in Spirit form, before Abraham was I AM he said” so that means before his body he was God The Father as The Holy Spirit, and The Body is The Son Luke 1:35
Every Christian who cannot satisfactorily explain the Trinity has no business mocking the Mormons for ANYTHING they believe! The Trinity construct is so offensive to logic and reason and is so counterintuitive that books are written trying to explain the unexplainable. The very idea of Jesus praying to himself in the Garden and the ventriloquism required at his baptism stretches credulity to its breaking point. How can any Trinitarian mock anything the Mormons or anyone else believes? To swallow the camel of the Trinity while straining on the gnats of Mormonism is the epitome of hypocrisy!
Jeremiah 23:16 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD
The Bible is FILLED with evidence God is NOT JUST the Father but also the Son and the Spirit--and these THREE are the ONE (there is but ONE) God. In Mark 2:5-12, Jesus proclaims Himself to be God in the flesh, BY not only healing the man, but forgiving his sins... and they said, "Who but GOD can forgive sin?" Notice, Jesus does not refute their comment. Then, in John 20, Thomas calls Jesus, "My LORD and my GOD" and Jesus does not rebuke Thomas. WHY? Because Jesus is Immanuel--GOD WITH US>
--What makes u think that Jesus is the inherent LORD GOD of the Bible?? For u to realize, Jesus was made Lord by God(Father) only in the NT “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, THAT GOD HATH MADE THE SAME JESUS, WHOM YE HAVE CRUCIFIED, BOTHLORD AND CHRIST.”(Acts 2:36) NOBODY made God a LORD. The LORDSHIP of God is inherent in him (Matt. 11:25, Luke 10:21). On the other hand, Jesus was MADE Lord. God did not make any other man lord like Christ. That’s why the LORDSHIP of Christ is not INHERENT IN HIM, but given to him the God the FATHER (Acts 2:36, Matthew 22:44, Psalm 110:1). Therefore, Jesus Christ CANNOT beGOD. --Beside, How can Trinitarians promote their God Trinity, if the Holy Spirit is missing from LORDSHIP??? The Yahweh of the Scripture is God the FATHER. Accdg.to the prophet Isaiah, “But now, O LORD, thou art our FATHER; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.”(ISAIAH 64:8) But now, Yahweh, you are our Father; we are the clay, and you our potter; and we all are the work of your hand.”(ISAIAH 64:8, World English Bible) And how can Jesus be the inherent LORD(YAHWEH) of the Bible if he is made Lord (Acts 2:36). So, Yahweh was made Yahweh?? How absurd?? That's why how can Jesus be YAHWEH if he is YESHUA and was made Lord???? Unless u contradict ur trinity doctrine and say Jesus is the Father and vice versa??
I thought it odd how the moderator allowed the second guy to cross examine during his entire opening. But then I heard the moderator call him “Brother so and so” and it all made sense . The second guy would not win against Dr.James White.
James White wiped the floor with Joe Ventilacion lol! INC is either Blind or In denial for not seeing how the arguments of Joe Ventilacion were so weak! He couldn't hold a candle for James White.
@@SUPER_BOUYare you delusional? Have you watched the debate between bro. Joe Ventilacion and james white? If you are truly reasonable enough, you would've seen that james white is very illogical.
@@leonking9459 what is there to search for.. Joe's arguments are there! James White arguments are there both their refutation are there! if an unbiased judge were to preside over who won it's clear Joe Ventilation is unable to answer James White adequately and you see that most of the time Joe is saved by the bell and was just dodging and dragging his answers for his time to expire. Joe is clearly having a hard time defending his stance. There's no point in lying God knows our hearts whatever you say here God can see though our hearts and minds.
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Another victory of the Iglesia Ni Cristo PRAISED BE UNTO GOD
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Hahaha victory? None sense. You can never victory unless you accept Jesus is Lord and Savior. In your blindedness your leader tells the truth but the bible tell us the trurh very clear that Jesus is God.. you cannot change the bible with your often times debate. 🤣😆🤣
Yehey , thank you very much Bro. JOE .
Mabuhay ang IGLESIA NI CRISTO
Inc is garbage lmaoooooooooo 😂
Look at when Jesus was baptized. The HS descended out of heaven in the form of a dove and then the Father spoke: "This is my Son in whom I am well-pleased."
The word, Trinity, is not in the Bible but so aren't many other words. Doesn't mean it's non existent. The essence of the Trinity is indeed in the Bible. SRIIM
Thankfully God said of Jesus Christ: Of old you laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. (Psalms 102:25 ESV)
David is saying that to yahweh not Jesus!
@@artemisfci8237 Hebrews 1:8-12
Mr Collins is knock out tremendously so you must enter in the church of Christ
"CHURCH and BAPTISM and FAITH"
Well I'm not a pastor or preacher or a scholar of the bible in which I should be very good at it. We're just an ordinary member of the church we always learn because we're being taught always, and guess what?
The Fact that this INC Church always nourishing our soul through teaching in the bible it's not only makes us believe but it's actually strengthen our chance to attain the Life Eternal.
Does Jesus have a God?
"Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go
to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and
your God." (John 20:17)
do not refer only in one to two verses... read the whole bible so that you will understand the mystery of God and the Trinity...do not just listen to your minister...they did all that to brainwashed people and to stand to their founder belief...
Felix Manalo is unbiblical he claim the status of cyrus the great in Isaiah 46:11...and they believed that felix manalo is an angel in the revelation omg.. what a big cult.
Trinity is three persons one God. Shamrock has got one stem three leaves
Can you explain these verses? In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
-John 1:1-3, 14, 18
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
-John 20:28
Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
-Philippians 2:5-8
@@joandelacruz4683 you are the one who must read the whole bible so that you will understand who the only true god,,, and you must also read the word angel in dictionary,,,,
@@joandelacruz4683 you are the one who must read the whole bible. There is no trinity written in the bible hehe ur crazy
@ vince relax ka lang sa maling pagpaparatang. ang INC ay hindi kulto dahil ito ang katawan ni Cristo sa makatuwid bagay ang Iglesia. walang kulto na nagnanais magtamo ang lahat ng tao ng kaligtasan sa pamamagitan ng pagpapalawig ng aral hindi lamang dito sa bansa maging sa buong mundo. magsuri ka sa INC malaya kang magtanong sa mga doktrina at pamamahayag para malaman mo ang tunay na aral. walang masama sa pagsusuri. may proseso ang paganib sa INC pinakamabilis na ang 6 na buwan. umaasa kami...
Fake News yan brod Basa ka ng Bible Para alam mo ANG TOTOO 😂
Iglesia ni Cristo always used Acts 20:28 Lamsa and Col 1:18 to PROVED that Iglesia Cult is the TRUE CHURCH (The Truth is INC is a CULT)
Acts 20:28 and Col 1:18 TUNAY NA SINASABI
Sino ba ang TUNAY na KATAWAN?
ang INCult o TAO/BELIEVERS?
Col 1:18
At siya ang ulo ng KATAWAN, sa makatuwid baga'y ng iglesia; na siya ang pasimula, ang panganay
sa mga patay; upang sa lahat ng mga bagay, ay magkaroon siya ng kadakilaan.
May mababasa ba na IGLESIA NI CRISTO sa TALATA?
WALA!
ang mababasa ay ang KATAWAN o "iglesia" SINO ba ang TINUTUKOY dito?
SASAGUTIN tayo ng BIBLIYA HINDI PASUGO
1 Cor 6:15 MBB
Hindi ba ninyo nalalaman na KAYO'Y mga BAHAGI ng KATAWAN ni CRISTO?
1 Cor 12:27 MBB
KAYO ngang LAHAT ang IISANG KATAWAN ni CRISTO at bawat isay BAHAGI NITO.
Eph 3:6
Na ang mga Gentil ay mga tagapagmana, at mga KASANGKAP ng KATAWAN, at mga may bahagi sa pangako na kay Cristo Jesus sa pamamagitan ng evangelio,
Eph 5:30 MBB
TAYOY mga bahagi ng kanyang KATAWAN.
Col 1:18 BUKO na ang TAO o BELIEVERS ang KATAWAN ni CRISTO at HINDI IGLESIA NI MANALO SINO ang BINILI?
INC o TAO BELIEVERS NGAYON punta naman TAYO sa Acts 20:28 ACTS 20:28 LAMSA - The common noun, "church of Christ":.
"Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock ove which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, to feed the church of Christ which he has purchased with his blood." -Acts 20:28
Pahayag 5:9
at BINILI MO sa Dios ng iyong dugo ang MGA TAO sa bawa't angkan, at wika, at bayan, at bansa.
1 Cor 6:20
BINILI niya KAYO sa malaking halaga. Kaya gamitin ninyo ang INYONG KATAWAN upang maparangalan ang Diyos.
1 Corinthians 7:23
BINILI KAYO ng Diyos sa malaking halaga; huwag kayong paalipin sa tao.
In English
1 Cor 6:20 AMP
YOU were bought with a price [purchased with a preciousness and paid for, made His own]. So then, honor God and bring glory to Him in your body.
1 Cor 7:23 AMP
YOU were bought with a price [purchased with a preciousness and paid for by Christ]; then do not yield yourselves up to become [in your own estimation] slaves to men [but consider yourselves slaves to Christ].
Rev 5:9 AMP
And [now] they sing a new song, saying, You are worthy to take the scroll and to break the seals that are on it, for You were slain (sacrificed), and with Your blood You PURCHASED MEN unto God from every tribe and language and people and nation.
"KAYO" "YOU" means PEOPLE/BELIEVERS at HINDI LITERAL na "iglesia ni Cristo" ang BINILI kundi ang TAO/BELIEVERS THE VERSE SAYS, "For YOU were bought at a price;.." The pronoun YOU refers to the people because only people can glorify God with their body and spirit.
Thats why the BIBLE SPEAKOUT that the BODY is the PEOPLE\BELIEVERS OF CHRIST and God\Christ PURCHASED also believers NOT IGLESIA NI CRISTO...
At ang ITINAYO na "iglesia" ay BELIEVERS NOT IGLESIA NI CRISTO 1914 dahil sa panahong 1914 ay WALA NA ang HUMAN NATURE ng DIYOS na si Jesus LUPA samakatuwid ay MALI ang BLOGS ng INC 1914 Members :)
Like the Bible said...
2 Pedro 1:20 SND
Higit sa lahat, dapat ninyong unang malaman na alinmang pahayag sa kasulatan ay HINDI NAGBUHAT sa SARILING PALIWANAG.
As you can see the BIBLE DEMOLISHED YOUR SELF INTERPRETATION and YOUR MINISTER INTERPRETATION :)
Katawan ni kristo o kinatawan ni manalo
Malinaw nmn c manalo ang nag tayo at nag rehistro NG inc o iglesia ng cash
Sa s.e.c 1914
D si kristo ang nagtatag kundi c manalo
Malinaw Ginamit ni manalo ang pangalan ni kristo para magkapera
Ano yang punch card nyo at bundy clock
Pag absent ka Doble ang lagak mo
@@rodneyvillamor5439 Paumanhin po. Ano po iyang punch card at bundy clock na sinasabi mo? Sa maraming taon ko na rin po sa loob po ng Iglesia Ni Cristo wala pong ganiyan. Dati po akong katoliko na ngayon ay INC . Hindi rin po nagdodoble lagak kapag absent o hindi nakadalo sa pagsamba. Wala pong namimilit o nagdidikta kung ilan ang ihahandog. Pasya po ng puso. Yun lamang po. Pwede ka naman po magsalita pero wag po sana kasinungalingan o tsismis lang.
@@rodneyvillamor5439 Tama alangan Naman baba pa si Cristo dito SA pilipinas para ipatala Ang kanyang iglesiA Kaya Tama Lang na si ka felix Ang Inutusan ni Cristo Kasi Kung ikaw ... Ang ipatala mo SA pilipinas igesia ni hudas.. kasi pangalan mo ay hudas Kaya sunod SA pangalan mo...
I call this a victory and has increased our faith for INC
Eugene Ataindum I did when it started👍
Inc is garbage incult brainwashed fanboy zombie loser lmaoooooooooo
Guys guys guys. Saying the word "Trinity" doesn't show up in the Bible, therefore it's not true, is an extremely poor argument. I believe God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent., and I think you would agree with me. Last time I checked those specific words aren't found in the Bible. In Luke 18, Jesus said "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone." He never said "I'm not good". He just asked a question. He went on to later call Himself the GOOD Shepherd in John 10. Now why would he do that if He truly wasn't God?
Lightning Bolt No one is good but God alone, ALL have sinned and come short of God's glory, there's none righteous but God (Romans 3:23). That's why Jesus is sinless and perfect.
Lightning Bolt, here is why you are still lost and going to Christless eternity, listen carefully and watch how you doomed yourself to hell.You said: "so Jesus Christ is also HOLY...and I guess no arguments about this. But the PROBLEM is your conclusion;
God is Holy
Jesus is Holy
therefore Jesus is God... right??? WRONG ...then you said ..."so if it is ONLY God who is GOOD.... NO ONE will be saved so what is the point of all these? We have to do GOOD to be saved.MY ANSWER to your delusional erroneous belief; you have a wrong understanding of the word "GOOD and HOLY" first good is a title that only God deserved to be called. while holy is a different thing "holy means set apart" when the Lords Jesus said no one is good he means no one is good but God, Paul affirms in Romans 3:10"10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: everyone fall into sin no one is good!!!! Isaiah 64:6 6But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; Titus 3:5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to
his mercy he saved us,You said :..."NO ONE will be saved so what is the point of all these? We have to do GOOD to be saved. MY ANSWER: Ephesian 2:8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:9Not of works, lest any man should boast. no good works can merit righteousness ; it is only through the mercy of God. unless you acknowledge that you are not capable of saving yourself and it's only God who can save you, you can not be saved. Gal 2:16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by
the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might
be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the
works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Law is good deeds and no man can follow the Law everyone fall, James 2:10 says if you break one law you are guilty of all, and no man was able to do. that's why Jesus satisfy the law by fulfilling it. No one is good! but God. this is an indirect revelation of Jesus to the young ruler!!!only God is GOOD!! as I have said the Bible is solid in saying that; Psalms 14:3They are all gone aside, they are all together become
filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Psalms 53:The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and
have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good. a fool think he is good enough before a holy God, but God said you are a fool!!!!! it is very interesting that Lightning Bolt try to appear scholar by using corrupt translation, to proved his erroneous belief. and notice he used different translation to suit his preconceived opinion, that's deceiving and cunning. he is not true to the teaching of the scriptures and theologically erroneous. Mark 10:18
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there
is none good but one, that is, God.And Jesus said unto him,....
The same as in Mat_. 19:17, on Matthew 19:17.
Why callest thou me good? This is said, not as denying that he was good, or
as being angry with him for calling him so, but in order to lead this young man
to a true knowledge of him, and his goodness, and even of his proper deity:
there is none good, but one, that is, God; some render it, "but one God", as
the Vulgate Latin, Syriac, and Arabic versions; and so the words are a proof of
the unity of the divine being, and agree with Deuteronomy 6:4, but are
not to be understood to the exclusion of the Son and Spirit, who, with the
Father, are the one God: nor do these words at all militate against the deity of
Christ, or prove that he is not God, as the Jew objects (a); seeing this is not
to be understood of the person of the Father, in opposition to the Son and
Spirit, who are equally good: nor does Christ, in these words, deny himself to
be God, but rather tacitly suggests it; since he is good in the same sense in
which God is good: in Matthew it is added, "but if thou wilt enter into life,
keep the commandments", Matthew 19:17, this Christ
said not as his sense, that the way to eternal life lies in keeping the
commandments of the law; but he speaks in the language of the Pharisees, and of
this man; and his view is, to bring him to a sense of the impossibility of
obtaining eternal life by these things, as the sequel shows: wherefore the above
Jew (b) has no reason to confront the followers of Jesus with this passage, as
if it was a concession of his, that it is impossible any should be saved without
keeping the commands of the law of Moses. enjoy!!! that's the clear teaching from he Holy Scriptures.
Ha! ha! ha! as usual you did not answer my post lightning bolt I have stopped your foul mouth didn't I??? and what else did you do nothing, you didn't even try to touched anything that I've said. surely you can't answer because you don't know anything about the doctrine of salvation. All you know is to stay inside the pointed bldg. of INC and think you are secure of not going to hell. he! he! he! I have bad news for you. trusting your church membership salvation is not found in the Holy Scriptures. he! he! he! and for your information, you are the only one who don't know what religion I belong to!!! so bad luck you don't get to know. although you can know my citizenship heaven!!! I live in unit 3/7th floor halleluiah street post code kJV 1611. HA! HA! HA! I THINK I 'M pretty sure I know where you are residing unit 6/66 Condemnation Avenue fire & Brimstone Hell post code 0000. Regarding your 1 John 5:7 aren't you supposed to say something about it???? Did God made a mistake of putting the verse in the Bible??? you're supposed to disproved the verse and use the Bible comparing scripture to scriptures that the doctrine is not found in the Holy Scriptures!!! but I think you are not capable to dismissed the truthin the verse. bad luck again. my advice go and ask your superior to help you. maybe EVM your IDOL!! ha! ha! ha! you are asking me for answer, when you haven't have a question. how is that possible????come on!! loserrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!! part 2 by the way you didn't thank me for educating you about the real meaning of "GOOD" and " HOLY" he! he! he! he!
Lightning Bolt the Jehovah witness with mask!!! pretending to be INC!!! what did I say to you??? Did God allow error in his Holy Scriptures??? Psalms 12:7; I timothy 3:16 you haven't answered any of these lingering questions. if there is someone need to explain anything it is you!!! the burden is on your side because I don't agree to the notion that God allow mistakes in His words. perhaps the Watchtower translation is full of horrible contradiction, why don't you investigate ??? and for you to used other translation is a pity, because you know 100% that your own Bible the watchtower the new world translation is good for rubbish bin. Ha! ha! ha! ha! and I'm still waiting for your compliment in educating you about the meaning of "Holy" and Good" he! he! he! also don't forget, I debunked your erroneous belief on Salvation!!!! so stopped spreading your lies and erroneous theology. ha! ha! ha! loserrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!! part 2 and false prophet of the 21st century!!!! did your watchtower predicted another second coming????? ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! I am going to follow you and debunked and crash , smash every Satan's doctrines you are spreading in the thread!!!!! Ha! ha! ha! you want to prey on the weak!!!!! sorry!!! I'm your worse nightmare!!!
He! he! he! until you answer the lingering questions!!! then you can probably hear from me about your inquiry!!! until then I'll be following and debunking your erroneous belief!!! I will stop you spreading the watchtower masonry!!! cults!!! you are a cult and I'm going to exposed everything about Jehovah witnesseshorrible belief. So you will know that you are lost and on your way to a Christless eternity. !!!loserrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!part 2
1520 BCE: Moses recognized 1 God-the FATHER (Deut. 32:3-4,6)
1000 BCE: King David recognized 1 God-the FATHER (Psalm 89:26)
460 BCE: The prophet Isaiah recognized 1 God-the FATHER (Is. 63:15 & 64:4-8)
370 BCE: Malachi recognized 1 God-the FATHER (Mal. 2:10)
30 AD: Jesus attested that the FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD (John 17:1-3)
55 AD: Apostle Paul attested that there is ONLY ONE GOD - the FATHER (1 Cor. 8:6A)
60 AD: Apostle Paul attested that there is ONLY ONE GOD - the FATHER (Eph. 4:6)
63 AD: Apostle Peter attested that there is ONLY ONE GOD - the FATHER (1 Peter 1:2-3)
2nd Century : Trinity? ? what happened? ? False prophets will rise and teach false teachings(Acts 20:29-30). “10 The Man of Evil will use every kind of evil to fool those who are lost. THEY ARE LOST BECAUSE THEY REFUSED TO LOVE THE TRUTH AND BE SAVED. 11 SO GOD WILL SEND THEM SOMETHING POWERFUL THAT LEADS THEM AWAY FROM THE TRUTH AND CAUSES THEM TO BELIEVE A LIE. 12 They will all be condemned because they did not believe the truth and because they enjoyed doing evil.” (2 Thes. 2:10-12)
In Acts 10:38, it is written, "how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him."
This verse does not imply that Jesus anointed himself. Instead, it highlights that God the Father anointed Jesus with the Holy Spirit and power for his ministry on earth. The anointing with the Holy Spirit was a significant event in Jesus' life, marking the beginning of his public ministry and empowering him to perform miracles, preach the gospel, and fulfill his mission to save humanity.
trinity.. rosary..purgatory... pure invented doctrine... please tell me saan sa biblia ko mababasa yan mga yan..
E kung mbasa ko?
So felix manalo san mababasa?
@@hongs248 cgeh saan mababasa ang rosaryo
@@princessfulgenciogutierrez4122 kaya namin yang e prove, pero wag kang lumayo sa tanong
@@sergebryanlebii4161 magbasa ka muna bago mo patunayang nasa Biblia. 😂 Basahin mo na nasa Biblia ang purgatoryo, rosaryo,trinity.
Everyone are welcome to examine our beliefs and teachings inside the iglesia ni Cristo,.
Let us all have an open heart and let the truth of God guide us.
Praises be unto God.
NO NO NO, THAT IS ANTI-CRIST.
None of those biblical texts say God CANNOT be a man, but say that God IS not a man, a major difference:
"God IS not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?" Numbers 23:19"And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or have regret, for he IS not a man, that he should have regret." 1 Samuel 15:29"I will not execute my burning anger; I will not again destroy Ephraim; for I am God and not a man, the Holy One in your midst, and I will not come in wrath." Hosea 11:9It is true that during the Old Testament period God hadn’t become a man, but this doesn’t deny that God could choose to later become a man, specifically in the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Hebrew Bible itself supports the view that God can become a man, without ceasing to be God, since there are places where God appeared in human form:God is a Spirit whose residence is in the spiritual realm, But do God stays in the spiritual realm and did not manifest itself in the physical Realm, that is a big falsehood, God do manifest himself in our Physical world and has no limitation to itself unlike what other false religion is saying, in order to justify that Jesus could not be a God, and that God cannot become human. Daniel 7:13 - "I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him.
The mind of the black man was dictated by the evil one, that's why he couldn't understand the truth 😂😂😂
mahusay talaga ang mga kapatid na INC pagdating sa debate. the BEST!
Sabi ni JV, ask them not me?
Pero pag natalo ang INC sa debate ilalabas na yung baril nila kaya nakakatakot mga INC
Pero sunog sya kay james white😅
@@jerickp.1535sunog kay james? nakinig ka ba ng mabuti? 🤣
@@paulchesterbasilio2936sus pang bata banat mo idol 😂
Juan 15:19
19 Kung kayo'y taga sanglibutan, ay iibigin ng sanglibutan ang kaniyang sarili: nguni't sapagka't kayo'y hindi taga sanglibutan, kundi kayo'y hinirang ko sa sanglibutan, kaya napopoot sa inyo ang sanglibutan.
I was a street child before growing without parents guidance,live in many places and meet different families with different religion.when i'm grew old i'm become a gangster,sexual immoral with gay and woman,robber and specially become an addict..i've been attending mormons church,born again christian,baptist,and many christian churches one of this is IGlesia ni CRISTO.but all i attending church only iglesia ni cristo doctrine is real truth..because of this church i know GOD the father and JESUS our savior..i'm catholic for how many years but i'm empty of this church like other churches i attend thier doctrine is not based on the bible..when i'm become an addict for how many years what i heard and learn the teaching of iglesia ni cristo or church of christ when i'm taking drugs i pray GOD the father asking him why i' grow in unfortunate family very poor and why he let my father died when i'm a child and my sister and brothers are young causing our family suffer in poverty and very poor almost no food to eat..I blame him and mad him why he let my family in that situation causing all suffer and i'm become a street child and become like this a sinner,a very wicked man..EVEN i'm addict I love reading bible cause what i learn of this church of christ and I believe there is GOD and JESUS...for how many years i praying GOD the father one night when i'm taking drugs as my life routine and praying him ,GOD answer me ,by and angel a man wearing robe upper in my right side and he closed my mouth by his right hand and tell me tell them that the end of the world is near,the great day will come the the coming of JESUS the judgement day,,his word will feel in my mind,my soul and i feel peace but i ask him what is the sign,the place will change the sun becomes bigger and hotter and he show the world and everything on it will melt and all wicked human because of too much heat ,i saw it all on this world/earth will useless in that time because it like a lava color red all over the place and no way to run,GOD has no mercy of this time of the wicked,i heard and and saw how things and all on this world will consume of this fire like a lava of volcano..since that I've change i cried and ask forgiveness and ask him give me a chance to help my family and change my life...GOD answer me and loves me and give me a chance..since that i decide to study even i'm old as self financial ,i'm a working student since elementary to college.i strive hard cause i knew GOD is there watching me even i'm a sinner how much more if i'm strive to be a good in his sight,,in GOD bless i finish college 4 years after i graduate i go abroad in small salary but i already give help my family,,.GOD SEND ME ABROAD WITHOUT MONEY I PASSED the middle east advance technician scholarship thats why i go abroad freely..this is my prove why I WILL told everybody that teaching of iglesia ni CRISTO OR CHURCH OF CHRIST doctrine is ONLY ONE GOD the father alone and JESUS our savior no way that GOD is trinity..i burned many idols and graven images and i can never finish the worship if i attend another churches christian church, when saw a miracle the end of the world and the palace in heaven which the angel a man wearing robe show me and told me what the bible said,IGLESIA NI CRISTO IS THE CHURCH alone teach that the father of JESUS is the only GOD and prove it my self this faith have the greatest chance to life in heaven and be save by JESUS in his coming day..this is the only church of CHRIST,and by GOD..
Too bad you are just been shackled by the Devil even more!!!! You are following an illiterate founder of yours!!! who cannot read English much more of the greek text!!! No wonder he was messed up with his doctrines!!! You worship Jesus as Lord how???? ha! ha! ha! ha! do you tell Jesus I'm worshipping you as Lord and not as God??? or do you whisper to the Father " I am worshipping you as God and not as Lord like Jesus???" lol!!!
if you analyze thoroughly why Jesus was baptized. In Christian belief, Jesus' baptism was not about cleansing from sin, as it is for others, but rather it was a public declaration of his ministry and identification with humanity. By being baptized, Jesus was showing his solidarity with human beings, demonstrating his willingness to fulfill all righteousness, and setting an example for his followers. The baptism also marked the beginning of his public ministry, as it was after his baptism that he began his preaching and performing miracles.
Even when the truth is shown to men, they will still reject it
- You don't argue with the truth
- as long as you argue with the truth it will never be reviewed to you... all you need to do is to ASK and pray because Jesus said ask and it shall be given to you .
GENESIS 1:26 is cleared, the TRINITY is speaking
( LET US make man in our own IMAGE )
GENESIS 11:7 creation of languages
LET's US go down and confuse their language
( JOHN 10:30)
Jesus clearly said that me and my father is ONE
GOD the Father
God the SON ( WORD )
God the Holy Spirit ( Which live in every believers
This 3- are ONE GOD HEAD... no one is greater than.. they are EQUAL
GENESIS 1:2 the SPIRIT was moving on the Surface of the water ready to bring things into existence by the WORD of JESUS CHRIST
1 John 5:7 ►
King James Version
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
- THE WORD ( JESUS ) GOD
THE WORD(JESUS) - Became Flesh and chose to be born, to be called a son , chose to come down and became a slave to Serve men, so through him we can be called SON's of GOD
- JOHN 1:1-14
- Iglesia cristo
- Mormon
Jehova witness
- Catholics
Are all Occultic, against the truth, thats why they have alot of people floating into iglesia cristo and catholic churchs because they don't know what it means being a christians
May the Lord open our MIND
hahaha. .
you can read but you cant understand. .
King james version of 3 in one is incorrect translation. Go back and research. Also Roman's 8:34 christ is gods right hand. Also written in at least 8 other passages. Google which versus. Get original translation and see correct 3 in one translation. God bless and jesus christ is still lord. Being the son of god does not take away from his glory but adds to who he was and what he did. Father father... why have thou forsaken me .
Yeshua ha Mashiach said , " My father is greater than I..." And again , " My father is greater than all..."
"is one"
You mean ARE ONE?
Balistix Mapping are one
kya bwal ang pgluhod o pgsmba sa larawan.
It can be noticed that those who agree with the Trinity doctrine can't interpret most of the verses in the Bible regarding who the true God is unless they have a preconception of the Trinity doctrine.
They have to have a pre-notion of the Trinity and even with that preconception, it's hard to interpret simple and direct to the point verses like John 17:3 which clearly states (word-for-word) that the Lord Jesus Christ recognizes only one true God, the Father..
John 17:3 can ONLY be INTERPRETED as you claim when its TAKEN out of CONTEXT
John 17:5 says that " JESUS asked for the GLORY he shared with the FATHER from BEFORE CREATION"
How could HE have HAD GLORY with the FATHER if HE was NOT with HIM
Now JESUS is asking for that SAME GLORY
Question: Where did that GLORY go ?
Sounds like JESUS doesn't have that GLORY now huh?
INC is FAMOUS for this just as the Muslims are
ISOLATING VERSES
RIPPING them OUT of CONTEXT
INC MEDIA has a video John 1:1 and 14
WOW
What about all the verses in between?
ESPECIALLY John 1:3
ALL THINGs were CREATED BY HIM(SON)"
Eric Pennick
Yes, that's what I was trying to say -- if you have a pre-notion of the Trinity, a lot of verses in the bible are being said to be "out of context" even if they are already word-for-word statements by Christ and the apostles. And a lot in the Old Testament also.
If you just plainly read John 17:1-5, you'll see that Christ was asking the Father to glorify him with the glory that he has with the Father in the beginning. In the beginning he is a word (John 1:1). So if you say that he already exists as he is (not just as a word of God) before creation then why would he be asking God to give him that glory when he should already have that glory by himself? Do you think he prays to God just for the show or are you saying that Christ is a hypocrite? Do you think Christ lied when he said to the Father "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." ?
As for me, I believe in Jesus Christ.. I was a Catholic before but I read the bible and Trinity is not there.. If you want to discuss with the INC the whole book of John, I encourage you to approach a minister of the gospel nearest your area.
Ok try again to be fair. Before you quoute that verse again read Hebrews 1 and understand that chapter. Then use the same criteria used on Hebrews 1 and apply ti to John 17:3.
The Father called the Son as God too. Dont believe it? Read Hebrews 1 again. IF not satisfied read Revelation chp 1 and chp 22.
"The Truth will set you free". That is true indeed. The thing about the Truth is that not everyone wants to listen to it no matter how obvious the Truth is. Truth can heal your soul, but it can burn like alcohol on an open wound. It'll hurt for sometime, but if you let it do it's job the alcohol will help heal you. If you pour the alcohol on someone who does not want to be healed that person will be hostile towards you. If you listen you will hear the Truth even if it hurts.
Why are you guys fighting? If you're a true Christian you shouldn't be arguing with another. Everyone has their own believes, their own faith. But if you can't accept the truth, stop trying to convince others that it's not the truth. If Jesus was god no humans would have seen him. God is spirit, If Jesus was god, he would never be praying to "himself" the father, how hard is that to understand? it's in the scriptures... If he was god, he would have never died... so just face the truth, God is a spirit, Jesus is our mediator, If you don't believe that then that's your own opinion. No INC members will force you to join, it's your own faith. I hope you guys all know that not ALL INC MEMBERS will be saved, you have to do gods will and obey his commandments, If it was that easy to earn salvation then I don't think the world would be having so much problems. and to be honest, yes at first I attended INC worship because of this one girl, but as i continued to attend bible study I learned the truth. This girl and I have never met and our relationship did not continue. If I did not join by faith I would have already left the church. Even though I love this girl so much, I believed god used her as an instrument to call me into the church. I hope you all understand that it's only God the father who calls people into the church. The only reason you should join is by faith, not because of status,money,fame nor anything. and again i'm telling you all, not all INC Members are true members. To shorten this up if Jesus was God he would have said it himself, Try finding a single verse in the bible that says Jesus is God. I really don't care how further you guys want to debate this, it all matters of opinion and how you take things, Truth hurts, so face it. INC will be growing world wide, it's the work of god. We only invite because it's our duty written in scriptures, the "works". I'm not going to explain how INC Church works, but if you actually join in by faith, you'll understand everything clearly. God Bless You all.
The TRUTH? That's INC to you I guess RIGHT? I am on here to SPREAD the WORD of GOD. INC has many man-made doctrines. Tell me. has INC taught you Gen 1:26 and who the US and OUR are referring to? Did JESUS rebuke Peter when he called him LORD and GOD? Why did Paul call JESUS " GOD manifested in the flesh? Why did both John and Paul say " All things were CREATED by HIM(JESUS) " Why did JESUS says HE was SENT from HEAVEN by the FATHER .. if according to INC. JESUS did not EXIST already? Why would JESUS want the GLORY HE HAD with the FATHER from BEFORE creation if HE did NOT already EXIST? Why does INC only cite the LAMSA bible for one VERSE .. Acts 20;28 and you will NEVER hear that VERSION any other time? Did you know the ORIGINAL Greek for Acts 20;28 says .. church of GOD? Lastly the GROWTH as you claim INC is making has NO relevance as it to being TRUTHFUL to the WORD of GOD. How long have the MORMONS been around? or the Jehovah Witnesses? You think they are the ONE TRUE CHURCH? JESUS was NOT praying to HIMSELF any more than the WORD in John 1:1 means a THOUGHT in God's mind> That's why we don't ISOLATE verses and then we should continue on to John 1:3 and see that the WORD was HIM and ALL things were made by HIM>> JESUS!!
Eric Pennick Eric, You may have thought i'm one of the commentary of INC. I am not just to let you know. As I said again everyone has their own opinion and faith, If you can't understand something so simple.. that's on your own. I'm not trying to start a fight here... We made up doctrines? Well, I guess you better do some more research because all of our doctrines came from the bible. I believe this is a good thing to do. Actually educate your members instead of allowing them to join your church in several days and allowing them to be Baptised. It's easy to say I believe in Jesus, If you really do, go do his works, obey his commands and spread the words. Have you guys done that yet? This is the reason why we are growing, I'm not going any further, I'll just allow you to see it yourself. Truth hurts Eric, You may be smarter than me with the information in the Bible since you probably spent years studying it. If you have so many questions you should ask an INC minister, not me.
Icarus Huynh Your reply to me,, I am sorry to say.. doesn't make any sense. Its NOT OPINION., the Bible has FACTS! Do you see the term LAST MESSENGER in the bible? NO Do you see any prophecy regarding the Phillipines? NO Do you see anywhere that says one has to be in a local
a congregation and attend 2 times weekly and be WATER baptized in ONLY that church? NO Do you UNDERSTAND why your congregation ONLY cites LAMSA bible VERSION for one verse? I guess you don't! ALL your DOCTRINES came from the mind of a MAN! To be BAPTIZED doesn't mean to be IMMERSED in WATER in a CEREMONY in a particular congregation.. The ONE BAPTISM that PETER speaks of in the bible is when JESUS WASHED or CLEANSED the souls of those that were of HIS body and HE IMMERSED them in HIS blood and SIN WAS BURIED in HIS BAPTISM. This is just one of NUMEROUS false doctrines. Watch INCMEDIA and on of their INTERNATIONAL shows the moderator says that the phrase CHURCH of CHRIST appears NUMEROUS times. That's a LIE!
Icarus Huynh What TRUTH? There is no CORRELATION to GROWTH and TRUTH!! WORKS don't get one SAVED, READ the bible as to what GOD says as to WORKS.. WORKS we do are seen NEITHER as RIGHTEOUS or JUSTIFIED.. lest any man BOAST! You see you gave the REASON why you're hoodwinked by this FALSE church. You don't check out what they teach you and if it COINCIDES with the bible. Did you know the BIBLE is likened as a "LAMP unto my FEET" ? In order for it to GUIDE you like a LAMP. you must READ it. If its in God's GOOD pleasure HE and ONLY he will Open your SPIRITUAL eyes and ears.
You ask for ONE single verse that says JESUS is GOD? Ok did you know that its a SIN to get a TATOO but the term TATOO is not seen in scripture? Did you know that both PAUL and JOHN both TAUGHT that JESUS is from EVERLASTING past that that HE created the WORLD and all things ? ONE SINGLE Verse? where is LAST MESSENGER in scripture?? Cite me the VERSE? Where does it say that one must be WATER baptized in ONLY your church? Where does it say one MUST be WATER baptized to be SAVED? Once gain iif you don't know >> YOU go ask your minister who the US and OUR is referring to in gen 1:26 AND if they tell you ANGELS ask them if man was created in the IMAGE of ANGELs and did ANGELS aid in the CREATION of MAN
Just saw his debate with James White.
Ventilacion really didn't seem to understand James' position, wasn't dialoguing with James' points, he was making awful arguments which were completely removed from the context of the entire text of the Bible. Dear me Ventilation, absolutely full of hot air.
True sir.
Amen
When serious debates take place, there should be NO clapping whilst debating is in action as it cuts into the allocated time.
I'm sorry but Dr. James white completely crushed this guy lol. Cristo completely ruins the scriptures and what the apostle write and taught.
Trinity is NOT taught in the Bible. Why don’t those who believe in the Trinity teaching search the Bible to see if Jesus and his disciples taught a Trinity. As you search, ask yourself the following questions; Can I find any scripture that mentions “Trinity”? Can I find any scripture that says that God is made up of three distinct persons, Father, Son, and holy spirit, but that the three are only one God? Can I find any scripture that says that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom?
Search as you may, you will not find one scripture that uses the word Trinity, nor will you find any that says that Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as eternity, power, position, and wisdom. Not even a single scripture says that the Son is equal to the Father in those ways, and if there were such a scripture, it would establish not a Trinity but at most a “duality.”
Jesus taught his disciples to pray: “Our Father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.” Our heavenly Father, whose name is Jehovah, is described in the Bible as being superior to his Son. For example, Jehovah is “from everlasting to everlasting.” But the Bible says that Jesus is “the firstborn of every creature.” That Jehovah is greater than Jesus, Jesus himself taught when he said: “My Father is greater than I.” (Matthew 6:9; Psalm 90:1, 2; Colossians 1:15; John 14:28, King James Version) Yet, the Trinity doctrine holds that the Father and the Son are “equally God.”
The Father’s superiority over the Son, as well as the fact that the Father is a separate person, is highlighted also in the prayers of Jesus, such as the ones before his execution: “Father, if you wish, remove this cup (that is, an ignominious death) from me. Nevertheless, let, not MY will, but YOURS take place.” (Luke 22:42) If God and Jesus are “one in essence,” how could Jesus’ will, or wish, seem different from that of his Father? (Hebrews 5:7, 8; 9:24)
Furthermore, if Jehovah and Jesus were the same, how could one of them be aware of things of which the other was not? Jesus, for instance, said regarding the time of the world’s judgment: “Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven NOR THE SON, but the Father.” (Mark 13:32)
In conclusion, the evidence is quite clear; the Trinity is NOT a biblical teaching. That is NOT what Jesus taught and neither should we if we call ourselves Christians!
1. Your first point is to emphasize that the word "TRINITY" is NOT found anywhere in scripture. Based on that faulty reasoning we cant make any conclusion on many bible concepts.
TATOO. Do you understand that the word TATOO is not seen in scripture but the concept is ? "Etchings in the skin" is taught by GOD to be forbidden.
2. JESUS being GOD in the flesh is taught by PAUL. If you don't know the verse by now , you are just in denial.
Both John and Paul speak to the DEITY of CHRIST:
"all things were CREATED by HIM"
I am well aware that Jose in his debates will substitute THROUGH for BY
But its a moot point
Did you listen to when Kellens asked Jose or an example of OTHER than JESUS how something can be made THROUGH someone if they DO NOT exist?
Jose NEVER could cite any example as it is IMPOSSIBLE
for the world to be made THROUGH JESUS if HE did not exist.
3. Did JESUS claim to be DIVINE and ETERNAL?
" I was SENT from HEAVEN by the FATHER"
John 17:5
" Father Glorify me with the GLORY I HAD with you from BEFORE creation"
How could JESUS ask for the GLORY with the FATHER that HE HAD from BEFORE creation IF as you and INC claim
JESUS did NOT EXIST?
Where did this GLORY go if JESUS is asking for it back?
3. Did JESUS deny HIS eternal nature or divinity?
When Thomas said to JESUS
" MY LORD and my GOD"
Did JESUS rebuke Thomas for saying that?
Show me the scripture where JESUS denied what Thomas was claiming?
YOU CANT!!
Maybe you should do a bit more research because the word Tattoo IS in the Bible. Note the following Bible versions of the Scripture read at Leviticus 19:28;
NIV (New International Version) Leviticus 19:28: “Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put TATTOO marks on yourselves. I am the Lord.”
AMP (Amplified Bible) “You shall not make cuttings in your flesh for the dead nor print or TATTOO any marks upon you; I am the Lord.”
CJB (Complete Jewish Bible) “Don’t cut gashes in your flesh when someone dies or TATTOO yourselves; I am Adonai.”
ESV (English Standard Version) “You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or TATTOO yourselves: I am the Lord.”
TLB (The Living Bible) “You shall not cut yourselves nor put TATTOO marks upon yourselves in connection with funeral rites; I am the Lord.”
There are many more Bibles that do in fact have the word Tattoo in it. “Etching of the skin”, “cutting of the skin”, “gashes in the flesh” all mean the same; Tattooing. Now when it comes to the teaching in question the word alone “Trinity” is not found anywhere in the Bible nor can we find any Scripture that says that God is made up of three distinct persons, or that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in ALL ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom. Therefore, to any logical thinking individual the Trinity is not a biblical teaching and even less it is NOT what Jesus taught!
According to John 1:14 it states that the Word became flesh which is referring to Jesus whom became flesh, I do not deny that this took place. The doctrine of the Trinity teaches that Christ is the Almighty God in the flesh here on earth, when John 1:18 Jesus himself clearly said “that NO MAN has seen God at any time.” So can you explain that? If Jesus is the One and Almighty God why did he say that NO MAN had seen him, yet he was here on earth in the ‘flesh’?
Can you also explain Jesus words in Matthew 26:39: “Going a little farther he (Jesus Christ) fell on his face and prayed; ‘My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.” Was Jesus praying to himself? Who’s will did he want to take place then?
Can you explain what John wrote in John 8:17, 18: “In your law it is written that the testimony of two men is true; I bear witness to myself, and the Father who SENT ME bears witness to me.” Those words were said by Jesus to the Jewish Pharisees, so who did he say sent him, he sent himself?
If Paul taught or believed in the Trinity then can you explain why he would say this: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the HEAD of CHRIST is GOD.” (1 Corinthians 11:3) Who was he referring to as being His HEAD his own Head himself? Does that make any sense? Or should Christ have said ‘I’m my own head’ or ‘I do not have a head’? But why did he say his ‘head is God?’
Your third point clearly shows evidence that Jesus is NOT God Almighty. Jesus himself said ‘he was sent by the Father.’ He did not say he sent himself but that HIS FATHER sent him that scripture clearly speaks of TWO separate individuals.
Jesus did exist in the heavens alongside his Creator, his Father Jehovah prior to being sent here to earth. That is why Jesus could ask his Father to glorify him with the glory he had BEFORE creation, ‘before’ God created the ‘earth’ and ‘human life’.
With regards to your last statement: “When Thomas said to Jesus ‘My Lord and my God.’ (John 20:28) Allow me to take you back in time so you can take into account the situation back there so you can get an understanding of what the apostle Thomas meant.
Less than two weeks previously Thomas HAD HEARD JESUS PRAY to his HEAVENLY FATHER and say: “This is life eternal, that they might know THEE the ONLY true God, AND Jesus Christ whom THOU hast SENT.” (John 17:3) On the fourth day after that prayer, or on his day of resurrection, Jesus sent a special message to Thomas and the other disciples by means of Mary Magdalene. “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to MY FATHER: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY FATHER, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.” (John 20:17, 18) So from Jesus’ prayer and from this message through Mary Magdalene, Thomas KNEW who his own God was. His God was NOT Jesus Christ, but his God was the God of Jesus Christ. Also his Father was the Father of Jesus Christ. Thomas knew that Jesus had a God whom he worshipped, namely, his heavenly Father.
How, then, could Thomas in an ecstasy of joy at seeing the resurrected Jesus for the first time burst out with an exclamation and speak to Jesus himself as being the one and only living, true God, the God whose name is Jehovah? How could Thomas, by what he spoke, mean that Jesus was himself “the only true God” or that Jesus was God in the Second Person of a Trinity? In view of what Thomas had heard from Jesus and had been told by Jesus, how can we read such a meaning into Thomas’ words: “My Lord and my God”?
Note Jesus would have reproved Thomas if Jesus had understood that Thomas meant that he, Jesus, was “the only true God” whom Jesus himself had called “my God” and “my Father.” Certainly Jesus would not take a title away from God his Father or take away the unique position from God his Father. Since Jesus did not reprove Thomas as if addressing him in a wrong way, Jesus knew how to understand Thomas’ words, Scripturally. And so did the apostle John.
John was there and heard Thomas exclaim: “My Lord and my God.” Did John say that the only thing for us to conclude from Thomas’ words was that Jesus was God, “the only true God” whose name is Jehovah? (Psalm 35:23, 24) Here would have been an excellent place for John to explain John 1:1 and say that Jesus Christ, who was the Word made flesh, was God himself, that he was “God the Son, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity.” But is that the conclusion that John reached? Let’s see the conclusion that John wants us to reach: “Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: but these are written, that ye might believe.” That we might believe what? “That Jesus is the Christ, the SON of GOD; and that believing ye might have life through his name.” (John 20:29-31, AV)
Thomas worshiped the same God whom Jesus worshipped, Jehovah God, the Father. So if Thomas addressed Jesus as “my God,” Thomas had to recognize Jesus’ Father as the God of God, hence as a God higher that Jesus Christ, a God whom Jesus himself worshipped!
So the question remains, why is it, that for thousands of years, did NONE of God’s prophets teach his people about the Trinity? At the latest, would Jesus not use his ability as the Great Teacher to make the Trinity clear to his followers? Would God inspire hundreds of pages of Scripture and yet not use any of this instruction to teach the Trinity if it were the “central doctrine” of faith?
Are Christians would back the formulation of a doctrine that was unknown to his servants for thousands of years, one that is an “inscrutable mystery” “beyond the grasp of human reason,” one that admittedly had a PAGAN background and was “largely a matter of church politics”?
The testimony of history is CLEAR: The Trinity teaching is a DEVIATION from the truth, an APOSTATIZING from it! Whether you want to accept this or not Trinity is a totally FALSE teaching!
Strong Heart Are you in INC? I need to know who and what I am debating with.
INC does NOT teach that JESUS existed with Jehovah before creation
They teach JESUS was a THOUGHT or a PLAN in God's mind. So get your facts straight if you are arguing from an INC perspective
The word TATOO did NOT exist in the time of the Original bible. Once again get your facts STRAIGHT and it doesn't exist in the King James bible. The bibles you cited are REWRITES who inserted that word we use today.
To be ETERNAL means when JESUS said HE was SENT from HEAVEN to do the WILL of the FATHER
To be ETERNAL means when both Paul and John said
"All things were created by HIM"
He is BEFORE all things"
To be ETERNAL means to have HAD GLORY with the FATHER
from BEFORE creation.
The FATHER sent the SON from HEAVEN to take on the SINS of the world of those who are ELECTED to be of HIS body
the SON humbled himself by talking on flesh
You can NOT be SENT or have HAD GLORY
or CREATE
If you are NOT GOD!
JESUS was talking to HIS father in heaven
as he JESUS was SENT from HEAVEN
and RETURNED to the FATHER in heaven
Finally
when Adam and EVE were hiding from shame when they
heard GOD walking in the cool of the day
Do you know who that was that they heard?/
Eric Pennick
Whether the word ‘tattoo’ existed in the original text or not is irrelevant, especially when the words used mean the exact same thing. Again “etching of the skin”, “cutting of the skin”, “gashes in the flesh”, all mean the same; Tattooing. It is the same as one bible using the word Lord and another version using the word God, different words but same exact meaning! As you mentioned yourself they are “words we use today.” Just as the word “Thou” is not used today instead we use “The” which means the same thing. We should be appreciative of the fact that those kinds of changes were made because it makes our reading of the Scriptures easier to comprehend and can reach our hearts because it is in a language easier for us to grasp and understand. As long as the ‘meaning’ of the text is not altered or changed who cares.
Back to the trinity doctrine; Genesis 1:26 contradicts that teaching note what that verse says: “And GOD went on to say: ‘Let US make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness...” I am sure you are a rational thinking individual. So please explain who God was talking to? The verse clearly shows a conversation taking place between TWO beings? How do we know? By the grammar used; God is saying “Let US” and twice he used the word “OUR”. So again, who was God speaking to?
Regarding the voice that Adam and Eve heard cited in Genesis 3:8 the Bible does not say that Adam or Eve saw anyone doing the speaking. The voice came from the invisible, the unseen realm, and it was addressing him. It was the voice of the man’s Maker, his Creator! And Adam could answer him in the same kind of speech. He found himself talking with GOD, the Creator of all mankind, who once again is Jehovah!
Strong Heart Ill ask you a SECOND time so I know where you stand and what you have been taught: Are you in INC?
Now " Adam and EVE HEARD God WALKING in the cool of the day" Don't paraphrase the bible to make your point seem valid.
The FATHER was with the SON from ETERNITY PAST. the FATHER and SON were speaking. The FATHER and SON are ONE in UNITY with the HOLY SPIRIT
I am well aware that INC teaches that God the FATHER was speaking to ANGELS
BUT ANGELS played no PART in CREATION as they were ministering spirits AND Man was NOT made in the image of ANGELS So you and INC are WRONG on 2 points
This all ties in with the words of JESUS:
John 1:18 " No man hath seen GOD at any time.. EXCEPT the SON"
John 1&: 5 " Father GLORIFY me with the GLORY I HAD
with you from BEFORE CREATION"
Jesus also said:
I was SENT from HEAVEN by the FATHER to do HIS will"
All these verses tie in beautifully to the FACTS that JESUS
EXISTED from BEFORE creation
- The Father is true God
- The Son is true God
- The Holy Spirit is true God
In bound true relationship eternal one together forever
- If you think that a mere man will take all the sins of the whole world, you don't know your bible
- Jesus is God because he refers to himself as the truth, the light , the I am , I have the power to give up my life and take it up again
- He his God and eternal life dwells in him
- Blessed his he that knows this and accept it
- The reason why people can't understand this or accept it is because they don't understand the meaning of SIN
- They suppress the truth even when they read they still find it at the end of the day they loose their life fighting God
- you can't be save if you reject Jesus , you reject the father
God bless ou
Beware of false prophets. They ravenous wolves in sheep’s clothing.
Jesus - “I am the alpha and the omega. The first and the last. The beginning and the end”
❤️Jesus
2. Jesus Christ became a SAVIOR in accordance and fulfilment of the law.
Our Lord Jesus Christ did not become a savior without doing something. That’s why he said “I come to fulfill the law or prophets, not to destroy” (Matt. 5:17). And the law of God on paying sin is
“Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; EACH IS TO DIE FOR HIS OWN SIN.” (Deuteronomy 24:16 NIV)
God’s law clearly states that “EACH IS TO DIE FOR HIS OWN SIN.” It is against the law of God to put to death the father because of his son’s sin, and to put to death the son because of his father’s sin. One should not be put to death because of other’s sin but one will be put to death because of his own sin. This is the reason why the Lord Jesus Christ said:
“Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24 NKJV)
And the wage of sin is death which is eternal hell (Rom. 6:23; Rev. 20:14). Our Lord Jesus Christ can ONLY SAVED those people who is redeemed under the curse of the Law which is Death by fulfilling the requirements of the Law(Rom. 8:1-4, Gal. 3:13).
--And the Scripture says
“for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” (Rom. 3:23)
“And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, AND WITHOUT SHEDDING OF BLOOD THERE IS NO REMISSION OF SINS.” (Heb. 9:22)
“For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. “(Matt. 26:28)
“Christ was without sin, but for our sake God made him share our sin in order that in union with him we might share the righteousness of God” (II Cor. 5:21, TEV)
“Salvation is found in no one else, FOR THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN TO MEN BY WHICH WE MUST BE SAVED. Then know this, you and all the people of Israel: IT IS BY THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead...” (Acts 4:12 and 10 NIV)
Even though our Lord Jesus Christ is HOLY and DID NOT SIN(Mark 1:24, Heb. 4:15). God made Jesus to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement (Rom. 3:25).
--WHAT JESUS CHRIST DID TO SAVE MAN WITHOUT VIOLATING GOD’S LAW?
In order for Jesus to save man without violating God’s law, Jesus built his church.
“And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.” (Matthew 16:18 NIV)
--WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE CHURCH IN SAVING MANKIND?
The church is the body of Christ(Ep. 5:23) and Jesus himself who is in heaven is the head of the church/body(Col. 1:18).
“For a husband has authority over his wife just as Christ has authority over the church; and Christ is himself the Savior of the church, his body.” (Ephesians 5:23 TEV)
“And he is the head of the body, the church...” (Colossians 1:18 NIV)
--Christ is the head and the Church is His body. Thus, in the sight of God Jesus and His Church stand s "one new man”:
“By abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. HIS PURPOSE WAS TO CREATE IN HIMSELF ONE NEW MAN OUT OF THE TWO, thus making peace.” (Ephesians 2:15 NIV)
Jesus is the head and the Church is His body, thus, Jesus (the head) and the Church (the body) are “one new man.”
Take note that what violates God’s law written in Deuteronomy 24:16 is if Christ will die for others because this God’s law states that “each is to die for his own sin.” Thus, the Lord Jesus Christ will NOT die for others, not for all of humanity, but for His Church ONLY as what Ephesians 5:25 clearly states:
“Husbands, love your wives just as CHRIST LOVED THE CHURCH AND GAVE HIS LIFE FOR IT.” (Ephesians 5:25 TEV)
THE LORD JESUS CHRIST ORDERED US TO ENTER THE BODY/CHURCH OF CHRIST IN ORDER TO BE SAVED
If anyone wants to be saved, He must obey what the SAVIOR command. As Jesus said
“I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved...” (John 10:9 NKJV)
Christ said, “If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved.” Christ is not referring to His physical body, but to the Church (Col. 1:18), which is called Church Of Christ (Romans 16:16, ACTS 20:28, LAMSA). Thus, if we enter the Church Of Christ, we enter Christ’s body and WE BECOME PART OF CHRIST’S BODY because the Bible explicitly states that the Church is Christ’s body.
“For just as the HUMAN BODY IS ONE AND YET HAS MANY PARTS, AND ALL ITS PARTS, MANY AS THEY ARE, CONSTITUTE BUT ONE BODY, SO IT IS WITH THE CHURCH OF CHRIST.” (I Corinthians 12:12, NTME)
We must enter the Church Of Christ in order to be saved, because if we are outside His body, His Church, the Lord Jesus Christ cannot die for our sins because it will violates God’s law stating “each is to die for his own sin.” This is also the reason why Apostle Paul explicitly stated that God will judge those outside the Church:
“What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you.” (I Corinthians 5:12-13 NIV)
And of course. If one does not want to lose his salvation. Then he must stay in the body/church of Christ till the end(Mark 13:12) .
CONCLUSION:
Thus, the Lord Jesus Christ is the Savior, but the one that will save by the Lord Jesus Christ is His BODY/Church NOT MANY or other BODY/CHURCH. Coz that is the requirement of the law(Deut. 24:16):
“For a husband has authority over his wife just as Christ has authority over the church; AND CHRIST IS HIMSELF THE SAVIOR OF THE CHURCH, HIS BODY. Husbands, love your wives, JUST AS CHRIST LOVED THE CHURCH AND GAVE HIMSELF UP FOR HER” (Ephesians 5:23&25 TEV)
“Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock, over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, to feed THE CHURCH OF CHRIST WHICH HE HAS PURCHASED WITH HIS BLOOD (Acts 20:28 Lamsa).”
---Thus, It is RIGHT AND LAWFUL to call Jesus Christ a SAVIOR.
The Trinity is not 1+1+1=3; It is 1x1x1=1. The Father is in the Son, the Son is in the Father, the Holy Spirit is in the Father and the Son as they are One but are not the same. Why would the Father call the Son, both God and Lord if the Son is not God as well as in Hebrews 1:8-10? Anyone who carefully reads Genesis 1 can see the Father, the Word or the Son and the Holy Spirit right there in the text as creation is being made. An example of plurality in Oneness is found in Genesis 1:26. It states, ''And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.'' Not only are US and OUR clearly plural personal pronouns they are still modifying singular objects which are IMAGE and Likeness; Notice it does not state Image(s) or Likeness(es) to coincide with Us and Our plurality. Similarly, the word Man is identified, and it is a singular noun. Notice it does not state M(e)n or men but MAN; And then goes on to read, let THEM have dominion; Why not insert HIM as Adam was the first human created? But they were including also woman and humans within the singularity of Man.
Jesus is a man.
+Vanilla SniPeZx so you pray to a man. That's heretical. God said you shall not bow before man
But Jesus isn't an ordinary man. He is the Begotten Son whom God COMMANDED us to pray to and worship.
+Vanilla SniPeZx I believe in the diety of The Lord Jesus Christ. He was coexisting with God before the beginning of the world that's why all things were made by him and through him. He was the word from the beginning, and was then made flesh and dwelt among us. If I don't accept Jesus as God then ill die in my sins because he is the only one who can take away sin.
I don't believe in the trinity as in "3 gods" but the same God plays 3 different roles in 3 different offices. E.g 1 am a father to my children, I am also a son to my own father and I am a doctor by profession but my name is Joe Bloggs. All those are my titles but my NAME is Joe Bloggs. That's why we are to baptise in the name of Jesus Christ because father son and holy spirit are all titles of te same God. Yahweh of the Old T is Jesus of the new. The same word who was made flesh to bear the sins of the world. All that was in the father was poured into him, and all that was in him was poured into the church in the form of the holy spirit as was witnessed in the upper room. That's what the bible says. To miss the diety of Christ is to miss everything. God bless you.
THEM is referring to both Adam and Eve. These 2 were created as one until God took the rib out of Adam and used it to make Eve. Before this Eve's female nature was in Adam that's why the Bible says "male AND female created he them" before Eve was on the scene. The Bible continously makes reference to Adam as THEM in Gen 1 but Eve was created in Gen 2, meaning Adam was 2 in 1. That's why it's not rocket science to understand that Jesus and God are 1. I agree with you. 1×1×1. It takes revelation. Let's continue to pray for our brothers who deny the diety of Christ to accept him as God and Savior before its too late.
haaaahaaaaaahaaaaa!!!! I have never laughed at a debate as much and hard as this one. I actually almost felt badly for the Church of God in Christ debater/ Trinitarian. Talk about no logic used here!. The church of Christ debater using logic, sounding reason and explicit scriptures clearly indicated just how confused and mixed-up, and how the Trinny has been so terribly been lead astray.When it comes to common sense reasoning, logic and the ability to read the Bible clearly with no preconceived dogma of the Trinity, the Bible makes sense and most certainly the identity of Jesus and God the Father. Sadly the churches have done a disservice to their sheep by pushing the Trinity as solid scriptural teaching - which it is Not! The debate is a clear example of the mass confusion this absurd doctrine precipitates. Nonetheless , millions will hold onto this asinine dogma with binding loyalty. This Trinitarian debate is pure "classic"
the Trinity cannot be fully grasped with the human mind. the problem with your faith is that you can only believe some things in the Bible that you can personally understand rather than putting faith in the entire Bible. Iglesia ni Cristo is a cult.
Walt Jervey he was not a debater he had no business in this debate
It's not that we don't understand it. We simply do not believe in it. The term "Trinity" and is doctrine is nowhere to be found in the Bible.
coz INC is a successful business founded by felix manalo...THE LAST PROFIT..oopps, my bad! last prophet..
+zero9erz remember your comment on the time of judgement day. i fear that you will not be given the chance to be save. just remember your comment here...
Revelation 6:12-17
12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[a] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their[b] wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”
The first part of the INC guy's case showed he had no understanding of the trinity. God is 1 in 3 persons. They are not the same person but the equally share the nature of God. Calling rhe father the ONE true God doesn't eliminate the trinity.
Why was this video edited out where the pastors rebuttal is cut out mid way?
There is indeed only ONE TRUE GOD, the Father of Jesus. Jesus is his son as mentioned in the bible. That's what it says simply and simply that's the truth. Anything that is added is not of God. Let no one add or subtract from the bible. Trinitarian is not the true gospel.
Then let's just rip off some of the pages of the Bible that speaks of the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ. Let us twist and butcher the clear teaching of the Bible about Jesus being God. Perhaps use Bible versions whose translator are bias and against the Lordship and deity of the Son of God, like the Arians!!!!. No matter what the antichrist tried to destroy and discredit the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and trample His Holy name, The Bible will not change and still declare that Jesus is God. For those who denied his deity, there is but one warning for you! Jesus said "I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins." NIV;New American Standard Bible
"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."for if ye believe not that I am he; the everlasting and unchangeable I am, the true God, God over all, blessed for ever; the eternal Son of God, God manifest in the flesh, really made flesh, and become incarnate; the true Messiah, the only Saviour of sinners, the Head of the church, prophet, priest, and King, and the Judge of quick and dead; as also the light of the world he had declared himself to be.Notice the "He" is in italics, it means it is not in the original text. this title was used in Exodus God said: " Exodus 3:14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Show me a single verse that Jesus himself claims to be God. The word God must be in the verse. And Jesus own words must be used. Show me Jesus claims to be God, not I am but God himself.
If the Father of Jesus is the true God, and Jesus is not a God. Are you saying too, that since your Father is a man by your argument. You are not a MAN, your a RAT? A Monkey? or a Pig? and never ever your a MAN like Jesus who is never a GOD. Am I right?
+Wisdom Nice one! +Gio Alvarez, Wisdom is kind enough to give you 3 choices. Choose one. LOL!
Trinitarian is not the gospel,? The gospel is the death burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ!!! that is the gospel, Trinity is a teaching that God is one revealed in three personality.
INC is being double-standard here. They say that Jesus did not pre-exist but in their closing remarks say that the universe was created through him (Jesus). How can the universe be created through someone who did not pre-exist? The Word as a mere idea is a Hellenistic philosophy and not Christian theology.
Ralph Victa Jesus Christ is not pre-existed with god in the beginning of creation(NOTE THAT GOD IS ETERNAL, no BEGINNING and ENDING,so god has NO TIME). The term "WORD" JOHN 1:1 -3 is just the plan of god when he created heavens and earth. It was for son of god(Jesus Christ)to inherit all god's creation. So u will notice in 1:1 it says the word was WITH god, the WORD was GOD, because it's still a THOUGHT or PLAN.
JOHN
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Gio Alvarez WORD is a TITLE for JESUS .. just like LAMB and LIGHT and Prince of PEACE and EMMANUEL
You are not taught what the ENTIRE Greek says if you are in INC
John 1:1 in the Greek says
The WORD was in an ETERNAL ' FACE to FACE " relationship" with the FATHER"
the Entire Gospel of John is speaking to the DEITY of CHRIST
especially the prologue which is John 1:1 thru John 18
You can NOT take the LITERAL meaning of a word like "WORD":
and apply it when that meaning is not LITERAL
Yes the LOGOS in Greek means a PLAN or THOUGHT
So if JESUS is called the LAMB
would we then take the LITERAL meaning and say JESUS was a grazing farm animal..?
See how you get caught in FALSE foundations that INC resorts to when it TWISTS the word of GOD?
Eric Pennick Do u know that GOD created everything through WORDS(movement of lips). That's why the word was WITH god(didn't yet happen). The word WAS GOD(It's still a thought in the mind).
That's why the title of that verse is "the word BECOME flesh" cause it is now fulfilled through man(flesh)
God created birds, beast, and fish and whales through WORD(movement of lips) right? so they are also WORD(thoughts, plan). same as JOHN 1:1-3. That's why everything came from GOD, both good and evil
Gio Alvarez what about Revelation 19:13?: "He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God."
Ralph Victa Does that make him GOD? It says “The Word of God” (the fulfillment of JOHN 1, the fulfillment of the PROMISE of GOD to the redeemed) not “He is GOD”. Jesus Christ went into this world to be an example to us, to walk on his ways, to take in-charge of mankind. WHY? Because God is tired of mankind, Jesus is the only man who stands between Us and God’s fury. Without Christ, this world already receive it’s punishment a long time ago.
Why I don’t believe that Jesus is GOD? Because Jesus only point one god and that is the FATHER. Never point the SON or himself, never INCLUDE himself. Neither the Bible or the Apostles address him as GOD.
AS JOHN
17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Not even he said that he is equal to the FATHER.
JOHN
14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Because if I will believe that Jesus is GOD. It will contradict to his crystal clear saying in JOHN 17:3, 20:17, 14:28. It will also contradict in the misunderstood TRINITY of writings of JOHN 1.
Who gave Jesus power?
ACTS 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
You see in this verse, Jesus and GOD are both mentioned separated. The uniqueness of GOD is clear in this verse. They don’t address God as FATHER but only “GOD”. Why? To show the uniqueness and oneness of GOD.
Is Jesus not gonna surrender himself?
As 1 CORINTHIANS
15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him
15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
So when the JUDGEMENT DAY COME, all the redeemed(CHILDREN OF GOD) with Jesus Christ will surrender to God. So god may be all in authority.
God’s policy is always to sent someone(human) to take in charge to his chosen people. Like Israel, He always send Prophets to guide them, but they never listen to the Prophets. How many time did Israel disappoint GOD? So many. That’s why he send Jesus Christ to this world so that if maybe they will listen to him, because he is from GOD, but some still don’t.
The confusion between the debators is that no one is acknowledging that Jesus is the Word made flesh. He was the Word before He was Jesus. The Word was sent amongst men and while amongst men, He was name Jesus. Before that He was the WORD by which all things were created. The role of the Word changed. God created all things through HIS WORD and then sent His WORD into the world to be a Son.
Trinitarians also affirm that Jesus is the heir/firstborn over all things (all creation). But Paul in Colossians 1:15-17 is describing the Son as the direct Creator of all things while distinguished from the Father. The Father is NOT being described as the Creator at all in Colossians 1:15-17, it is the SON.
Brother Jose you mention that bible is the basis of your doctrine of "Only True God" but you are denying the divinity of Christ which is very supported in the bible....I think while you may be educated you don't know the bible as you thing you are. Iglasia ni Kristo is known to taking the bible out of context.
Amen
MGA KABABAYAN kong nasa ganitong pananampalataya pa rin ---
( ISAIAS 44 : 9 - 20) 9 Walang kuwentang tao ang mga gumagawa ng rebulto, at walang kabuluhan ang mga diyus-diyosang kanilang pinahahalagahan. Mga bulag at hangal ang sumasamba sa mga ito, kaya sila'y mapapahiya. 10 Walang idudulot na mabuti ang paggawa ng mga rebulto para sambahin. 11 Tandaan ninyo, ang sumasamba sa mga ito ay mapapahiya lamang. Ang mga gumagawa nito'y tao lamang, kaya't magsama-sama man sila at ako'y harapin, sila'y matatakot at mapapahiya rin.
12 Ang panday ay kumukuha ng isang pirasong bakal at inilalagay ito sa apoy. Pagkatapos ay pinupukpok niya ito sa pamamagitan ng kanyang malakas na bisig hanggang sa magkahugis. Sa paggawa nito, siya ay nauuhaw, nagugutom at napapagod.
13 Ang karpintero naman ay kumukuha ng isang pirasong kahoy. Ginuguhitan niya ito ng anyong tao, saka inuukit hanggang sa mayari ang isang magandang imahen. Pagkatapos, ilalagay niya ito sa kanyang bahay. 14 Pumipili siya at pumuputol ng isang matigas na kahoy sa gubat tulad ng sedar, ensina at sipres. Maaari din siyang magtanim ng laurel at ito ay hintaying lumaki habang dinidilig ng ulan. 15 Ang kaputol na kahoy nito ay ginagawang panggatong at ang kaputol naman ay ginagawang diyus-diyosan. Ang isang piraso ay iginagatong para magbigay ng init sa kanya at para igatong sa pagluluto. Ang isang piraso ay ginagawang rebulto para sambahin. 16 Ang ibang piraso ng kahoy ay ginagawang panggatong. Dito siya nag-iihaw ng karne at nasisiyahan siyang kumain nito. Kung nadarama niya ang init ng apoy ay nasasabi niya ang ganito: "Salamat at hindi na ako giniginaw!" 17 Ang natirang kahoy ay ginagawa nga niyang diyos na kanyang niluluhuran at sinasamba. Dumadalangin siya sa rebulto, "Iligtas mo ako sapagkat ikaw ang aking diyos!"
18 Ang mga taong gayon ay mga mangmang at hindi inuunawa ang kanilang ginagawa. Tinakpan nila ang kanilang mga mata at sinarhan ang isipan sa katotohanan. 19 Hindi na nila naisip na ang kaputol ng ginawa nilang rebulto ay ginamit na panggatong sa pagluluto ng tinapay at karneng kanilang kinain. Hindi man lamang nila itinanong sa kanilang sarili kung hindi kaya karumal-dumal ang sumamba sa isang pirasong kahoy.
20 Ang mga gumagawa nito'y parang kumakain ng abo. a Lubusan na siyang nailigaw ng kanyang maling paniniwala at mahirap nang ituwid. At hindi siya papayag na ang rebultong hawak niya ay hindi mga diyos.
PLEASE - can someone find just ONE example of a ministry or individual that denies Jesus is God incarnate who ALSO operates in the anointing of the Spirit to heal the sick and set people free from demons? I'm looking for it but can't find it. So far I see that those who deny His Deity are Cesaarionists (believing miracles have ceased with the last apostle or the assinine teaching that we don't need miracles anymore bc we now have the Bible).
This is NOT to say that ALL of doctrine must be biblically accurate if God is to use us in mighty ways - ofherwise NONE of us could be His instruments. But on SOME issues, YES - such as the FULL TRUTH of Jesus' identity and nature. Sound doctrine is paramount by it is the foundation of our faith, and while the Holy Spirit indwells all true believers, He does NOT anoint every believer - whether it is due to tolerating sin or significant false doctrine.
This is ALSO not to say that if you find someone anointed like that who denies Jesus is God, it must mean they are right on that issue. First, the enemy can counterfeit genuine miracles and secondly, even if it is truly of God, it doesn't mean He "endorses" that doctrine.
Just highly doubt you will find a believer who rejects Christ's Deity who also walks in God's POWER
+Gio Alvarez Tell your ministers to go out and meet people with questions, or, do their evangelical mission outside of your kapilya. Correct me if I am wrong, but, I have yet to see any Iglesia Ni Cristo member sharing what they believe on the streets. You are always doing it inside your "kapilya." Why?
They ask Jesus what do the Father look like, Jesus said how long must I be with you. You seen me you seen the Father, me and the Father are one and the same.😃
It is because Jesus is God in flesh. Still, they deny it.
@@tofuman7456 yap, so many verses in the Bible about his deity but they refuse to accept it, INComplete.
@@gutadin5 hindi nyo maintindihan yung nakasulat
Ang ibig sabihin nyan
Kung papanong ang Ama ay maawain at mapagmahal
Ay ganun din ang Anak
Kung papanong ang Ama ay nagbibigay ng tawad ay ganun din ang Anak samakatuwid sila ay iisa
Hindi yung literal na iisa HAHAH
kung gagawin nyong literal ibig sabihin nung namatay ang panginoong Jesus
Namatay din ang Ama ? Hahahah ibig sabihin namatay ang Diyos? Hahaha
@@inuyashakagura7349 anu yan INC manalo lng ang may karapatang bumasa at mag preach? Yan kasi turo nila sa inyo hind maintindihan ang biblia, nkasulat n nga iibahin nyo, kaya ayaw kau pagbasahin ng biblia dahil malalaman nyo ang katotohanan, sabihin ng mga ministro nyo cla lng nkakaintindi, kaya kayong members pasugo magazine lng bibabasa nyo, kung magsimba kayo na members ni wala nkahawak ng biblia.
@@gutadin5 hahahaha ayaw mo lang tanggapin ang katotohanan e 😂
Tawag ka na ng poon mo mag prusisyon nadaw kayo HAHA
Questions to promote thinking and reason.
Q1. Jesus was a Jew, correct? And he agreed with the Jews that there is only ONE true God, which is what the Jews believed then and still do today. And the Jews did not (and still do not) believe in a Trinity. Therefore, where does he specifically preach and teach that he no longer agrees with the Jewish teaching that there is ONE true God?
In prayer he says in John 17:3, "this means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom YOU sent, Jesus Christ."
Here he is in agreement with Jewish belief in God, and mentions himself separately and apart from 'the only true God'.
Q2. The Bible clearly states that Jesus is the "firstborn of all creation" in Col 1:15. The English word "firstborn" is clearly understood to be someone "born". Rev 3:14 says that Jesus is "the beginning of God's creation."
Therefore, if you are going to suggest that "firstborn" means something different than created in these two scriptures, while it clearly relates to actually being "born" in the upwards of 30 times used prior to Col 1:15, WHO THEN IS THE ACTUAL FIRSTBORN OF GOD?
Think about that? If it isn't Jesus, who then, and why is this person not prominently discussed in scripture since being the "firstborn", especially if God's very own firstborn, is considered important?
Q3. Since the Christian congregation was originally started with those who converted from Judaism, and since Jews believed there was only ONE true God (YHWH, Jehovah), why do we not read about the controversy that would have definitely sprung up had Jesus introduced a new concept of Trinity? We read nothing of objections from Jews in this regard, or corrections by Jesus in defense to the teaching. Nothing. So where is the controversy?
Q4. Why is the Trinity itself not explained in scripture? Why is it not mentioned, and why do we not find it taught specifically and a focus of the disciples? It would obviously start off with Jesus saying "I and the Father and the Holy Spirit are one God." But it does not.
Q5. God is always referred to by singular pronouns which exclude the notion of multiple persons of God. "I" and "he" and "himself", etc. When there is reference to "us", he is clearly communicating with others and not talking to himself. So if God was actually 3 in 1, why is 'He' referred as a singular pronoun?
Mark 12:29 "Jesus answered: 'The Lord our God is one Lord."
Q6. God is omniscient. Jesus is not omniscient. God (Jehovah) knows all things. Jesus confessed more than once that he does not know all things. Matthew 24:36. Only the Father knows, not the Son, of the time of the end.
If Jesus was God, he would also know the end. To imply that human Jesus does not know but spirit Jesus knows would imply a division of MIND, not nature. The Trinity teaches the Jesus has two natures, human and God. Two NATURES (human, God) is not a division of MIND. Therefore, if he was God-Man, while his nature is human, is mind should always be God and therefore all knowing. Clearly this is not the case based on scripture. This is a problem for Trinitarians.
+Great Bread John 20:17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
Debate Defence Exactly. Jesus God and our God. Thus, Jesus is not God as he has the same God as we do.
+Great Bread Is Jesus eternal?
+Tristan Sim Jesus is eternal as that he will exist forever. This was granted to him following his resurrection.
Isaiah 9:6 says "For a child has been born to us, a Son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name WiLL BE called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
In contrast, his Father, Jehovah (YHWH), has always existed and will exist forever. He is known as Almighty God, as opposed to simply 'Mighty' God.
Humans were created with everlasting life in view. All they need do is remain obedient to God.
Adam and Eve did not obey, but sinned, and thus we lost everlasting life. Our human father failed us.
The hope of escaping the bonds of sin (and thus death as a result) rested on being ransomed from the bondage of sin.
As a perfect man lost life for all of us, it would require a perfect man (an equivalent payment) to ransom our life.
No perfect man existed, however.
Thus due to God's love for us, he gave His only-begotten Son as a ransom.
Thus his Son, who had been at his side since the beginning of creation in Heaven, was removed from his place and made lower than angels, to be born human, through a human woman Mary. He would be the first perfect human born since Adam and Eve. Apparently our imperfection is passed through the father's side.
Now Jesus, as a perfect human (the last Adam), must first live life as a human without sinning in order to be acceptable as an unblemished lamp for sacrifice. To the end, he was sinless and worthy. He was killed, and remained dead for three days as prophesied.
Upon resurrection opens the way for eternal life (to be eternal) for all those who exercise faith in this sacrifice of Jesus. He thus, in replacement of Adam, is our Eternal Father. He has the power and authority (and desire) to give obedient humans the prospect of eternal life.
So yes, Jesus is eternal. And we too have the hope of being eternal if we are obedient to the word.
Jesus Christ was not pre-existent with the father if that is what you're implying.
it is so painfully obvious that the trinity is not a Biblical teaching - and yet, millions of people cling to this belief as though it was more important then the Bible itself - how sad
To whomever does not understand Oneness, In the book of Psalms chapter 2; 7 King David is referred to by God as His Son, further more His begotten Son. My question for you is this, would you or would your theological doctrine consider this to be considered as "figurative" speech or would this passage to David be considered as a literal value? Would it be safe to say that God whether in flesh "Jesus" or in Spirit uses metapherein speech? Are you aware that the same questions that you have presented here have the literal values that the Jews used to question Jesus? God is referring to the study and discerning "Diakrisis" of His Word through the Holy Spirit when we refer to the scriptures below. He does not mean to Study His Word and discern the meanings through the theory of men or doctrines of demons. The 100% use of literal value is not applicable since the Bible is written with a 'rhetorical trope' for Gods elect to comprehend.
"David" God's Begotten Son
Psalm 2;7
6"But as for Me, I have installed My King Upon Zion, My holy mountain." 7"I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You. ask of me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance, And the very ends of the earth as Your possession.…
Timothy 2;15
14 Remind them of these things, and solemnly charge them in the presence of God not to wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers. 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. 16 But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness,…
Ephesians 4:4-6
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Isaiah 8:19-20
19 And when they say to you, “Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter,” should not a people seek their God? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living? 20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Titus 1;1
1 Paul, a bond-servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, 1 for the faith of those chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness,
Amen Glory to the one true God Jesus Christ
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“And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.”
Luke 1:30-31 KJV
@@Plumbersinmurrieta numbers 23:19
God is not a man nor a Son of man.
Therefore, if Christ is a man (and He surely is) and a Son of Man (as we all knew) proves his difference to the True God...
CHRIST IS NOT GOD BLIND MAN...
WHERE DID YOUR FAITH ABOUT CHRIST AS GOD PUT YOU?
@@septemberavenue8344 Christ was a man correct but the spirit in Christ was God!!!
“to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.”
2 Corinthians 5:19
@@Plumbersinmurrieta if I say that I have also the spirit in which Christ also has? Would that me me God?
Why the Iglesia Ni Cristo worship the Lord Jesus Christ if he is NOT A GOD or Lord God??
Deuteronomy 5:7 states “YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BESIDE ME.”
1. This verse refers to NO OTHER than the Father. AGREE?
2. Deut. 5:7 states “YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BESIDE ME.”
3. The thing is INC1914 does NOT TREAT and WORSHIP Christ as a GOD. INC1914 ACKNOWLEDGED and WORSHIP Jesus as Christ and LORD( made by God) , MEDIATOR and SAVIOR(made by God). NOT as a GOD or Lord God.
In short, the INC1914 is NOT VIOLATING Deut. 5:7. Cause we worship the Father as GOD ALONE(John 17:3). And we worship Jesus as Christ and LORD(made by God) , MEDIATOR and SAVIOR(made by God). NOT as GOD.
In fact, the Lord Jesus Christ himself attested that God “THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD” (John 17:1 &3), where Christ is already CLOSING THE BELIEF THAT THERE IS ANOTHER GOD BESIDE THE FATHER. And we know very well, even TRINATARIANS attested that Jesus is NOT the FATHER and the FATHER is NOT Jesus.
--Then why INC1914 worship Christ if he is NOT a GOD? We worship the Lord Jesus Christ, because it is a COMMANDMENT of God the Father.
“That at the NAME OF JESUS every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] “LORD”, TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER. “ (Philippians 2:10-11)
We cannot DENY the FACT that God the FATHER commanded us to worship Jesus as a Lord NOT AS A GOD and Christ. And we know very well that Jesus was MADE as a LORD by God the Father (Acts 2:36). THE LORD GOD IS GLORIFIED WHEN WE FOLLOW HIS WILL.
--Moreover, we worship the Lord Jesus Christ because not because he is God but because he (who committed no sin) agreed to die for the redemption of humans from their sins and through him (Christ), they were made sons and daughters of God.
And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation. 10You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth. (Rev. 5:9-10)
On the other hand we worship the Lord God because HE is the creator of all things
“You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.”(Rev. 4:11)
--Then, Who is VIOLATING Det. 5:7?
The OUTSIDERS who believe that “Jesus is God” are the one that VIOLATING Det. 5:7. Because they TREAT AND WORSHIP Jesus as a GOD or Lord God which is CONTRARY to the word of God the Father on Deut. 5:7 “DO NOT WORSHIP OTHER GODS BESIDE ME”
--And for one to realize Jesus was made LORD by God(Father)
“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, THAT GOD HATH MADE THE SAME JESUS, WHOM YE HAVE CRUCIFIED, BOTH LORD AND CHRIST.”(Acts 2:36)
--NOBODY made God a LORD. The LORDSHIP of God is inherent in him (Matt. 11:25, Luke 10:21). On the other hand, Jesus was MADE Lord. God did not make any other man lord like Christ. That’s why the LORDSHIP of Christ is not INHERENT IN HIM, but given to him by God the FATHER (Acts 2:36, Matthew 22:44, Psalm 110:1). Therefore, Jesus Christ CANNOT be GOD.
Even the Lord Jesus Christ worships the FATHER. The FATHER is the LORD of heaven and earth, as what our Lord Jesus Christ stated “At that time Jesus said, "I PRAISE YOU, FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH”(Matt. 11:25, Luke 10:21). For our Lord God the FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD(John 17:3), who created the heaven and earth. This statement is recited ever since the day of Abraham.
“…Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth. 20And praise be to God Most High, who delivered your enemies into your hand.” (Gen. 14:19-20, 22)
“15And Hezekiah prayed to the LORD: “LORD, the God of Israel, enthroned between the cherubim, you alone are God over all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth.” (2 King 19:15)
“We are the servants of the God of heaven and earth”(Ezra 5:11)
“May you be blessed by the LORD, the Maker of heaven and earth.” (Ps. 115:15, Ps. 121:2)
“LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, enthroned between the cherubim, you alone are God over all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth.” (Is. 37:16)
“The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands” (Acts 17:24)
As our Lord Jesus Christ attested that God the FATHER is the LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH”(Matt. 11:25, Luke 10:21).
Are you practicing to write a novel??? can you not make it short or stop copy paste business!!
Didn't the God of the old testament said that too??? all knees shall bow to God?? Isaiah 45:21.........."who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there ,( who is the one LORD GIO? ICOR 8:6 Mark 12:29 hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord.)
is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none
beside me.
22Look unto me, and be ye saved, all
the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23I have sworn by myself, the word is
gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me
every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. I wonder who this God is?? he said no other Saviour!!! Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel
together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from
that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside
me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.Tell ye, and
bring them near, and let them take counsel together,.... Tell them what I say of
their ignorance and stupidity; and gather them all together, their gods, their
makers, and their worshippers, and let them lay their heads together, and
consult what proof they are able to give of their divinities, particularly by
foretelling things to come:
who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time?
that is, who of all their gods or priests have ever declared this or anyone
thing at any distance of time before it came to pass? either this everlasting
salvation of my people, or the redemption by Cyrus, which was a type of it, and
was spoken of beforehand? have ever any of them foretold anything like this, and
it came to pass as predicted? not one of them.
Have not I the Lord? he had. Christ, by his Spirit in the prophets, signified
before hand his sufferings and his death, and the glory that should follow, 1 Peter 1:11 and when he was
here on earth, he foretold his being betrayed to the chief priests; his being
delivered to the Gentiles; his scourging and crucifixion, and resurrection from
the dead; all which came to pass exactly as he had predicted, Matthew 20:18,
and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour: there is "none
beside me", Christ is the one God with the Father and Spirit, and there is no
other; nor any Saviour of lost sinners, but him; there is salvation in him, and
in no other; and he is "just" in things pertaining to God, in satisfying his
justice, and fulfilling his law; he was set forth as Mediator to declare his
righteousness, and which is displayed in the work of redemption by him; so that
God is just, while he is the justifier of him that believes in him, Romans 3:25. Look unto me,.... And not to idols, nor to any creature, nor to the works of
your hands; to your own righteousness and doings; to your wounds; to your tears
and humiliations; to your own hearts and frames; to your graces and the exercise
of them; all must be looked off of, and Christ only looked unto by a direct act
of faith, for righteousness, for pardon, for all supplies of grace, and for
glory and eternal happiness. He is to be looked unto as the Son of God, whose
glory is the glory of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth;
as the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world; as the only Mediator
between God and man; as the Saviour and Redeemer of lost sinners; and considered
in all his offices and relations: under all circumstances he is to be looked to;
when in the dark, look to him for light; when dead and lifeless, look to him for
life; when weak, look to him for strength; when sick, look to him for healing;
when hungry, look to him for food; and when disconsolate, look to him for
comfort; for none ever look to him and are ashamed or disappointed, they have
what they look for; and as it is profitable, so pleasant to look to Jesus, and
he himself is well pleased with it; and therefore here encourages to it, adding,
and be ye saved; or, "ye shall be saved" (e): Christ is set up in the Gospel,
and the ministration of it to be looked at, that men may be saved by him; and it
is the will of God, not only that men should look to him, but that whosoever
sees him, and believes in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life: the
ministers of the Gospel are appointed to show men the way of salvation by
Christ, and to assure them that he that believes in him shall be saved; and
saints in all ages have looked unto him, and have been saved by him; and
therefore this may be taken for a sure and certain thing, that such that look to
Christ, as the Israelites did to the brasen serpent, the type of him, shall be
saved, John 3:14, I john 5:12 "he that has the Son hath Life!!
Oh rukia. God is Lord is different from Jesus is Lord. unless u contradict ur trinity doctrine again and say Jesus is the Father and vice versa?? again and again.
The Father was the INHERENT LORD GOD of the Bible. (MATT. 11:25, LUKE 10:21)
Jesus was made Lord by the FATHER only in the New Testament. (Acts 2:36)
A God is NOT MADE Lord
The Father rule over Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 11:3)
Jesus said “THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I” (John 10:29, John 14:28)
The Father was excluded from the LORDSHIP/ authorities and ruling of the Lord Jesus (1 Cor. 15:27)
Jesus will surrender or put himself under the rule of the Father after the Day of Judgement.”(1 Cor. 15:28) (1 Cor. 15:24-25)
That’s why the question is
---Is the Father included from the LORDSHIP, authority and ruling of the Lord Jesus Christ?? NOOO --That’s why for u to be able to prove that the Lord Jesus Christ is God, where in the Bible that Jesus is excluded from the LORDSHIP, ruling and authority of the FATHER?
--Beside, How can Trinitarians promote their God Trinity, if the Holy Spirit is missing from LORDSHIP??
And ---The LORD GOD of Isaiah is the FATHER
“Doubtless thou art our FATHER, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our FATHER our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.”(ISAIAH 63:15)
“But now, O LORD, thou art our FATHER; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.”(ISAIAH 64:8)
The Father does not acknowledged any God beside himself (Isaiah 45:21, Isaiah 46:9, Isaiah 44:8, Isaiah 43:10-11), HE stretched forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth by HIMSELF.”(Isaiah 44:24)
That’s why our Lord Jesus Christ attested that the FATHER is the Lord.
“At that time Jesus said, "I praise YOU, FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH”,(Matt. 11:25, Luke 10:21)
Which is ONE: “Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD”(Mark 11:29 a quotation of Deuteronomy 6:4)
Which is also the ONLY TRUE GOD: “After Jesus finished saying this, he looked up to heaven and said, FATHER, the hour has come. Give glory to your Son, so that the Son may give glory to you. And eternal life means to know you(FATHER), the only true God, and to know Jesus Christ, whom you(FATHER) sent.” (John 17:1&3, Good News Translation)
As The Lord Jesus Christ stated ”THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD “(John 17:1-3), “THE FATHER IS THE LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH” (Matt. 11:25, Luke 10:21), “'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD”(Mark 11:29) (a quotation of Deuteronomy 6:4), “THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I”(John 14:28, John 10:29)
Q: Who is the 1 LORD GOD?
A: Jesus said the FATHER
Q: Who is the ONLY TRUE GOD?
A: Jesus said the FATHER
Q: Who is the 1 GOD?
A: The OT prophets, the apostles and Jesus said the FATHER
Q: Who is 1 LORD?
A: The Apostles say JESUS
Q: Are 1 LORD and 1 LORD GOD the same??? NOOOO
“Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6)
The Lord Jesus Christ is the way and the truth and the life, NOT Constantine and ur pagan Fathers who formulated the Jesus-is-God doctrines on the 3rd Century.
For the Lord Jesus Christ attested “I am a man telling you the TRUTH which I heard from God” (John 8:40)
That's why -QUESTIONS
1. The Father says worship Jesus as a Lord and Christ, why do u worship Jesus as a God or Lord God?
2. Why do u ignore and add on the commandment of God on Philippians 2:10-11 that Jesus must worship as a Lord and Christ? Where in the Bible that God said worship Jesus as a LORD GOD or as God?
---QUESTIONS
1. How many God do u worship??
2. Who is the God that u worship??
---And where is ur God the Holy Spirit?? are u excluding ur God the Holy Spirit again?? Ur pagan fathers wll get mad at u if u exclude ur God the Holy Spirit rukia. lols
Kyrios or kurios (Ancient Greek: κύριος) is a Greek word which is usually translated as "lord" or "master".This Greek word was at first an adjective, mean¬ing "having power or authority."
If being called lord (Kyrios) means God, then
.Pilate who is called Kyrios means he is also a God???
““Sir (Kyrios),” they said, “we remember that while he was still alive that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise again.” (Matt. 27:63)
.The owners of colt who are called Kyriosmeans they are also Gods???
“As they were untying the colt, its owners (Kyrios),” asked them, “Why are you untying the colt?” (Luke 19:33)
.Phillipwho is called Kyrios means he is also a God???
“They came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee, with a request. “Sir(Kyrios),” they said, “we would like to see Jesus.” (John 12:21)
.The angel/angels who are called Kyrios mean they are also a God???
“Cornelius stared at him in fear. “What is it, Lord (Kyrios)?” he asked”(Acts 10:4) (Gen. 19:1-2) (Judges 6:12-13) (Zec. 4:5, 4:13, Zec. 6:4)
.Paul and Silas who are called Kyrios means they are also Gods???
“29The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs (Kyrios), what must I do to be saved?”(Acts 16:29-30)
.King Agrippa who is called Kyrios means he is also a God???
“Of whom I have no certain thing to write unto my lord(Kyrios). Wherefore I have brought him forth before you, and specially before thee, O king Agrippa, that, after examination had, I might have somewhat to write.”(Acts 25:26)
.Abraham who is called Kyrios means he is also a God???
“So Sarah laughed to herself as she thought, “After I am worn out and my lord (Kyrios) is old, will I now have this pleasure? (Gen. 18:12)
. Esau who is called Kyrios means he is also a God???
“He instructed them: “This is what you are to say to my lord (Kyrios) Esau: ‘Your servant Jacob says, I have been staying with Laban and have remained there till now. (Gen. 32:4)”
. Pharaoh who is called Kyrios means he is also a God???
“You have saved our lives,” they said. “May we find favor in the eyes of our lord(Kyrios); we will be in bondage to Pharaoh.” (Gen. 47:25)
.Joseph who is called Kyrios means he is also a God???
“So then, it was not you who sent me here, but God. He made me father to Pharaoh, lord (Kyrios) of his entire household and ruler of all Egypt” (Gen. 45:8, Psalm 105:21)
.King David who is called Kyrios means he is also a God???
“Then Nathan asked Bathsheba, Solomon’s mother, “Have you not heard that Adonijah, the son of Haggith, has become king, and our lord(Kyrios) David knows nothing about it?(1 Kings 1:11)”
.Elijah who is called Kyrios means he is also a God???
“As Obadiah was walking along, Elijah met him. Obadiah recognized him, bowed down to the ground, and said, “Is it really you, my lord(Kyrios) Elijah?” (1 KING 18:7)
John 8:40 - Jesus said “I AM A MAN”
Luke. 24:39 - Jesus said “Behold MY HANDS AND MY FEET”
Acts 2:22 - Peter said “Jesus is a man”
1 Tim. 2:5 - Paul said “the man, Jesus Christ”
Heb. 10:12 - Paul said “Jesus, the man, sitted at the right hand of God”
James 5:6 - James said “Jesus is a righteous MAN”
2nd Century - Iganatius said Jesus is God??? What happened???? Apostle John stated “There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was TRULY HUMAN, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: DECEIVER! ANTICHRIST! “(2 John 1:7, MSG)
Trinitarians and Jesus-is-God theology are antichrist and deceiver for they deny the Lord Jesus Christ as flesh and blood human being by nature, rather they made the Lord Jesus Christ a God, a SPIRIT by nature, having no flesh and bones(John 4:24, Luke. 24:39)
The speaker for Church of God in Christ should quote 1 John 5:7 KJV.
Faulty scripture that wasn't in the manuscripts, Trinitarians added thst to support there doctrine
+Gio Alvarez I must say Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons are better "cult" than Iglesia Ni Cristo because they are always on the streets sharing their "false" beliefs. They beat you on that level. But, they are "apostate" just the same.
Ed Pan, you were just the same as your father the devil. You just can not give up your pride just as the devil. Pride is the reason why the devil is thrown. You just can't defend your faith... as I can see in here that when you can not answer questions you resort to maligning religions. And that is because of your pride just as your father the devil.
Tell us what is your religion and who is the founder of your religion? Can't tell us? I am sure you can't coz if you tell us, it will be exposed here.
The more you throw curses on us the more you show the devil hidden on you.. Jesus has been attacked many times with those harsh words by the Jews whose father is the devil but He remain humble and true Christians should do likewise.
now tell us in here the name of your religion? and who is the founder of your religion??...afraid that it is a cult? what would you do now?.... try to hide and lie about it... just as your father the devil.
+Raeini Yarzo I belong to a bible believing church that share God's Word on the street and not hiding in your "kapilya." Furthermore, I share the gospel of Jesus as the apostles did and exalted Jesus as the Lord and God, and not demoted Him to just a man and created being, but pray to the Father through Him, which made you contradict your teachings and guilty of idolatry. You call your organization Iglesia Ni Cristo, but not exalting Jesus to His proper place. Do you really believe that without joining Iglesia Ni Cristo one cannot get salvation? You were duped into believing that teaching. Read the bible yourself.
+Raeini Yarzo Now, let me ask you the same question. Where is Felix Manalo's name in the bible. Do not tell me that the New Testament is finished written so we cannot see his name there. That is bogus! Do you preach the gospel of Jesus as the believers did in the New Testament? If not, then maybe your teaching ia the the one that came from the god of rhis world!
See, I told you... you will try to hide it and avoid the question I was asking.
Again, I am asking you to tell us in here the name of your religion? and who is the founder of your religion??...afraid that it is a cult? You were just like your father the devil
Saying without evidence is imagination!
1 Lord 1 faith 1 baptism Jesus is both Christ and Lord devine and human the 1 God of the old testament incarnated :P I know who the son of God is the image of God!!
jose . stop using far east that's stereo type. lumang tugtugin na yan you haven't learn from the sda seventh day adventist
Bakit masasabi mong lumang tugtugin nayan, yan ang katthanan bakit sasabihin mong lumang tugtugin kayo ang hunghang mismong si Jesus na ang nagsasabing sya ay tao eh sainyo pinag pipilitan ninyong dios sino ba ang paniniwalaan kayo o si Jesus mismo na sya mismo ang may katawan, panay kayo bulaang mangangaral aminin ninyo ang katthanan na mali ang palagay ninyo at huag ninyong lokohin ang mga tao kong hindi kaba naman stupido tatlo naging isa stupido kayo stupido niloloko ninyo ang mga tao para kumita kayo ng pera sa pang loloko sa mga tao mantakin mong kong hindi kaba naman stupido si Jesus nagsasabi syang syay tao, tapos ikaw pinagpipilitan mong dios talagang stupido kayo subra mang loloko kayo ng tao para kumita kayo ng pera mga stupido kayo
And why Trinitarians limits the number of godhead into 3? Godhead is also found on
“Now the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an EVIL SPIRIT FROM THE LORD terrorized him. “(1 Samuel 16:14)
“And I looked, and behold, in the midst of throne and the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD sent out into all the earth. (Rev. 5:6)
--So, why not include the evils spirit of god and the seven spirits of god on the godhead of ur Trinity??
I had conversations with people from every kind of faith, but to talk to the INC was the worst I ever had.
listen carefully the debate and analiyze.Every scriptures that inc debater was coming from the bible all you have to do just open your heart!!!!!! and be open minded!!!!!!
@joelandrews5489 that goes the same for the INC. I shared many bible verses, but they are in full denial.
Why can't accept the fact that trinity is just illusion and not holy 😪
@@pietroscarpa2384 then dont bring it to me ask the minister.
@@joelandrews5489There it is... ordinary members are advised to point to the ministers for answers. If by chance you find a man mortally wounded by a riding in tandem. The man knows that he's going to die and ask you, what is the gospel? " I'm scared to die i hav only a few minutes i'm a criminal and not saved please give me the gospel please." If the answer is attend that 27 or 28 lessons for brainwashing and be baptized that is not the gospel. Typically, Christians present the gospel to anyone willing to listen anytime of the day, not dependent on their elders or pastors because the great commission is given by extension to all the called out ones.
INC won I conclude
i conclude the your INC manalo too,,peacee
Of course coming from a devoted illiterate too!!! ha! ha! ha! even if you win all the debates in the world yet your soul is still under condemnation!!! it won't do you any good!!!!
@@MrNarrowroad I agree with you
You should remove the thumbnail of Joe reading the Bible , it’s misleading
+Gio Alvarez Apostle John in 12:37-41 quoted Isaiah 6:1-10. Tell us why did the apostle quoted Isaiah? But, I have to warn you, it needs some thinking or looking at the CONTEXT, which you are having difficulty.😊
Yes, one may blindly believe in the Trinity... fact is no thinking Mind can digest it.
It is really hard to understand God, and if you think you know everything about God then you make Jesus a Liar. Matt. 11:27All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son. John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. How can you understand the Father when you haven't heard his voice nor seen his shape!!! God alone is a complicated subject!!! I Cor 2: 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. we believed because we used the eyes of faith.
onepunch rukia
MOSES (Old T)___Hear O Israel thee Lord "Our" God is One.
JESUS (New T)___Hear O Israel thee Lord "Our" God is One.
Jews believes in this most important commandment of God given to Moses...If only you Christians should have believed in this most important commandment of God given to Jesus as well, you will not be confused as you were then, today, and forever. In facts you will be doing more good to your brain than damaging it.
YOU SAID:" MOSES (Old T)___Hear O Israel thee Lord "Our" God is One.
JESUS (New T)___Hear O Israel thee Lord "Our" God is One. can you say. that the word God is singular "one"then you need to study harder my friend, everytime the word God used in the Bible are plural in meaning, elohim is a plural in form. Let us make man "!!! let us go down"!!! the angels cannot create they are created being, so God wasn't referring to the angels when God said " let us make man"!!!who shall go for us? that my friend is something you should think about and not just following your minister and believing whatever they whisper to your ears!!! Psam 110:1 The Lord - God the father. Said - Decreed it from eternity, and in due time published this decree, and actually executed it; which he did when he raised up Christ from the dead, and brought him into his heavenly mansion. Unto - Unto his son the Messiah, whom David designedly calls his Lord, to admonish the whole church, that although he was his son according to his human nature, yet he had an higher nature, and was also his Lord, as being God blessed for ever, and consequently Lord of all things. The Hebrew word Adon is one of God's titles, signifying his power and authority over all things, and therefore is most fitly given to the Messiah, to whom God hath delegated all his power Matt 28:18. Sit - Now take thy rest and the possession of that sovereign kingdom and glory, which by right belongeth to thee; do thou rule with me with equal power and majesty, as thou art God;here's another one Ps110The Lord said unto my Lord,.... The Targum is, "the Lord said in his Word.'' Galatinus (q) says the true Targum of Jonathan has it, "the Lord said to his Word;'' and produces an authority for it. These are the words of Jehovah the Father to his Son the Messiah; the "Adon", or Lord, spoken of in Isaiah 6:1, the one Lord Jesus, and only Potentate; the Lord of all, the Lord of David, and of every believer; not by right of creation only, as of all mankind; but by redemption, having bought them
Christ attested that God the Father is the Lord.
“At that time Jesus said, "I praise YOU, FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH”,(Matt. 11:25, Luke 10:21)
Which is ALSO ONE .
“Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD”(Mark 11:29) (a quotation of Deuteronomy 6:4)
Which is also the ONLY TRUE GOD
“After Jesus finished saying this, he looked up to heaven and said, FATHER, the hour has come. Give glory to your Son, so that the Son may give glory to you. And eternal life means to know you(FATHER), the only true God, and to know Jesus Christ, whom you(FATHER) sent.” (John 17:1&3, Good News Translation)
--Christ was made LORD by God(Father)
“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, THAT GOD HATH MADE THE SAME JESUS, WHOM YE HAVE CRUCIFIED, BOTH LORD AND CHRIST.”(Acts 2:36)
--NOBODY made God a LORD. The LORDSHIP of God is inherent in him. (Matt. 11:25, Luke 10:21)On the other hand, Jesus was MADE lord. The LORDSHIP of Christ is not INHERENT IN HIM (Acts 2:36). Therefore, Jesus Christ CANNOT be GOD
there is no verse that Jesus said " im the only one true God"...si Jesus mismo kinikilala nya na only (ang Ama lamang) the"FATHER" is only the true God.....ngayon kayo naman kinikilala nyo si Jesus na "God"nagkakasala na kayo nyan dahil di nyo sinusunod utos ng Ama.
Nancy Jackson DO you read the bible or just memorize what INC feeds you ?
Why does INC use LAMSA to prove that the CHURCH is INC?
You know that LAMSA taught that JESUS is BOTH man and SPIRIT at the same time?
Why did JESUS say that HE came DOWN from HEAVEN if HE NEVER existed PRIOR?
Why did JESUS say that HE had NOT yet RETURNED to the FATHER if HE NEVER existed BEFORE?
IF JESUS is a man ONLY
why did he tell the phariseees that they are of this WORLD and HE is NOT??
Why is JESUS called the AUTHOR of LIFE if The FATHER created alone?
Gen 1;26
Who is the US and OUR if the FATHER created ALONE??
PLEASE don't tell me ANGELS as ANGELS are NOT mentioned there
ANGELS played no part in CREATION!!
nagpapatawa kaba don't be sarcastic sa tanong mo,si jesus tao naman talaga sya tulad mo at ako.pero natatangi sya dahil mediator ,saviour natin sya.may lamang tao sya at may spirit/kaluluwa tulad natin.ako may spirit ako/kaluluwa at kalamnan tulad ng bituka,kamay paa,dugo,binti,hita,daliri etc. kapareha kita kapareaha natin si jesus na tao hindi sya dios.pero ang pagkakaiba natin kay jesus at saviour,mediator natin sya? peace
Nancy Jackson Please reply to me in English as my interpreter is NOT always available.
I asked several questions which you NEVER addressed
1. JESUS said I came DOWN from HEAVEN sent by the FATHER
2. JESUS said; I have NOT yet RETURNED to the FATHER
3. JESUS while on the cross
" Father RETURN to me the GLORY I HAD with you
from BEFORE the world was CREATED:
4. John said in John 1;3
" ALL things were CREATED by HIM (JESUS)
5. Paul says in Colossians
That BY JESUS all things were CREATED in HEAVEN and in EARTH
6. INC only cites the LAMSA bible cause it says church of CHRIST
where as the ORIGINAL greek says church of GOD
Finally
Since paul says that JESUS took on FLESH and thereby
HUMBLING HIMSELF making HIMSELF lower than the angels
That of course as a HUMAN he would have INTESTINES!!
That's is SARCASM at its FINEST!!
Jesus himself know that the only true God is the Father.Now if people don't follow Jesus.that the only true God of Jesus is the Father then now there is a problem.because they didn't obey Jesus nor the Father.
Nancy Jackson Are you responding to what I write or are you just repeating the same old ISOLATED verses that INC uses in their false teachings
1. JESUS said in John 17:5 that
" RETURN to me the GLORY that I had with YOU the FATHER
from BEFORE the world was CREATED"
Question:
A. IF JESUS had GLORY. where did that GLORY go to that HE now WANTS it to be RETURNED?
B. How can JESUS say HE had GLORY from BEFORE
creation if according to INC
JESUS NEVER existed BEFORE i the womb of MARY?
Following JESUS
means that one is SAVED or is BAPTIZED through the spilled blood
of CHRIST
Tha'ts BAPTISM
and that is for the ELECT
Not some church that started by a FALSE prophet in Manalo
So very clearly, TRINITY is indeed NOT BIBLICAL.
The doctrine of the Trinity teaches that there is one God who exists eternally in three distinct persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. Each person of the Trinity is fully God, yet there is only one God. This concept is based on the revelation of God in the Bible, which portrays God as both threefold in personhood and onefold in essence.
Regarding creation, the Bible attributes the act of creation to God (Genesis 1:1), and it also describes the role of the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit in creation. For example, John 1:3 states that all things were made through the Word (Jesus), and Genesis 1:2 describes the Spirit of God hovering over the waters at the beginning of creation.
Therefore, while there is one Creator, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all involved in the act of creation, highlighting their unity and distinctiveness within the Trinity.
Does John 1:1 says Jesus is a true God??? NOOO
How can ur ASSUMPTION that on the 3RD CLAUSE of John 1:1 “the WORD(Pre Incarnate Jesus in the TRINITARIAN VIEW and Jesus is God theology) is GOD” validate the 1st CLAUSE and 2nd CLAUSE?
John 1:1 states
1st CLAUSE: “In the BEGINNING was the Word”
God is ETERNAL, NO BEGINNING and ENDING(PSALM 90:2. The WORD/LOGOS has a beginning(John 1:1).In fact, God foreknown Christ before the foundation of the world(1 Pet. 1:20). And Jesus himself has a beginning for he came from the FATHER(John 8:42) and was conceived and born of a woman named Mary through the Holy Spirit (Gal. 4:4; Matt. 1:18, 20)
2ND CLAUSE: “And the WORD was WITH GOD”
“And the GOD was WITH GOD” How many GOD existing then, If the WORD is ALSO GOD? It will Result to an absurd conclusion that there would be two Gods which is clearly contradictory to the biblical truth, according to Jesus himself, that: "The Lord our God. THE LORD IS ONE!" (Mark 12:29-30 a quotation of Deuteronomy 6:4), which is the FATHER “At that time Jesus said, "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth”(Matthew 11:25), which is also the ONLY TRUE GOD .
“After Jesus finished saying this, he looked up to heaven and said, FATHER, the hour has come. Give glory to your Son, so that the Son may give glory to you. And eternal life means to know you(FATHER), the only true God, and to know Jesus Christ, whom you(FATHER) sent.” (John 17:1&3, Good News Translation)
3RD CLAUSE: “And the WORD WAS GOD”
New Testament was ORIGINALLY written on Greek text. NOT on English. The original word of the term "WORD" on John 1:1 and 14 is LOGOS(Λόγος)
LOGOS(Λόγος) means CONCEPT, PLAN, SPEECH, WORD.(use google translate). LOGOS(Λόγος) was never referred to an existing entity.
Biblical scholars say that the Logos means word, thought., concept, and the expressions thereof (Ryrie Study Bible, p. 1599). Also, the word. Logos means reason or plan (The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Micropaedia, p. 302). Thus Logos means thought, word, or plan of God, not God.
And the term "God" on the 3rd clause (And the word was GOD) was functioning as an adjective. That's why on the other translations
THE Logos existed in the very beginning, the Logos was with God, the Logos was DIVINE. (John 1:1, James Moffatt New Testament)
In the beginning the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was DIVINE. (John 1:1, Goodspeed New Testament)
The above translation of John 1:1 is describing the LOGOS(Λόγος) DIVINE. Not Title or Noun.
--Even Catholic agreed that the LOGOS is a thought from the FATHER
The New American Catholic Edition, Douay Confraternity Bible with comments and footnotes of verses will enable us to see the Catholic Church's understanding of the verse. In the footnote of this Bible for John 1:1 this is what they have stated.
"St. John employs the term Word. It is so used only by St. John and designates the Son as a kind of intellectual emanation from the Father."
If we would consult a dictionary as to the meanings of intellectual and emanation, the understanding of the verse by Catholic authorities would become much clearer.
Intellectual-- "devoted to matters of the mind." Emanation--"to come out from a source." In other words "intellectual emanation from the Father" means a thought coming from the Father.
JOHN 1:1 MEANING
--John 1:1 signifies the PLAN OF GOD before creation and that is
“This was according to the eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord”(Eph. 3:11, NAB))
“according to the plan which he had formed from all eternity in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Eph. 3:11(NJB)
Apostle Paul explains that there is an eternal purpose or plan which God has accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord that is hidden for ages or formed from eternity (Eph. 3:9).
In the same manner Apostle John was teaching that in the beginning or from eternity or ages ago, God already planned that there would be a Christ.
That’s why God(FATHER) announced through his prophets(OT) the coming of the prophesied Messiah:
“1Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God - 2 THE GOSPEL HE PROMISED BEFOREHAND THROUGH HIS PROPHETS IN THE HOLY SCRIPTURES 3 REGARDING HIS SON, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David, 4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.”(Rom. 1:1-4)
Jesus come to fulfill the prophesy about the Christ/Messiah that is written in the Scriptures(Psalm 49:7, Heb. 10:7), which is fulfilled during Joseph and Mary times.
“But when the fullness of the time came, GOD SENT FORTH HIS SON, BORN OF A WOMAN, BORN UNDER THE LAW”(Gal. 4:4)
plus
--And where is the role of Holy Spirit on John 1:1, so the Holy Spirit is excluded from that verse??
--How can Trinitarians say that the "Logos or Word" is "Christ who pre-existed as God", when the above verse also clearly says that the "Logos or Word" was with God. So, if the "Logos or Word was God", and the "Logos or Word was with God" then, it clearly follows that "God was with God". Resulting to an absurd conclusion that there would be two Gods which is clearly contradictory to the biblical truth, according to Jesus himself, that: "The Lord our God. The Lord is One!" (Mark 12:29-30)?
--If we will follow the interpretation of Trinitarians on John 1:1 that Jesus is a GOD (noun, existing entity), then we would come up to conclusion that “THE WORD(JESUS) WAS WITH GOD(JESUS)” and “GOD WAS WITH GOD”. Where in the Bible that there are 2 JESUS’ and 2 GODS?
That kind of argument is sooooo unbiblical
And where is the role of Holy Spirit and the FATHER on John 1:1, so the Holy Spirit and God the FATHER are excluded from that verse?? lols.
I thought accdg. to Trinity doctrine, when the Bible speaks of the term God, it always referred to 3 persons??
See, Trinitarians are being picky here, showing the inconsistencies of their doctrine.
Rev 11: 17Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and
wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast
reigned. Matt 28:19 all power is given unto Jesus!!!!! Romans 9:5 Jesus is the overall God forever bless Amen.so who is this almighty in Rev 11:17???? Titus 2:13 looking for that blessed hope and the appearing of the great God and Saviour Jesus Christ . Rev 11:17 says this almighty is coming , and in Titus 2:13 he is coming and appearing in the sky as the great God.???? I tim 3:16 16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was
manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto
the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Now he is in heaven GIO!!! and he will be coming soon !!! to judge and to give rewards.!!!Rev 22:12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to
give every man according as his work shall be. who is this almighty giving rewards GIO???? if in doubt go to Rev 11:18 and you will have the answer!!!! ha! ha! ha! ha! loserrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus Christ will surely give rewards to the INC CULT!!!!! judgement!!!!
---Nowhere in the Bible u can read God said “I AM A MAN”. God clearly attested that he is a God and NOT A MAN. “I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I AM GOD, AND NOT MAN; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.”(Hosea 11:9)
---Nowhere in the Bible u can read Jesus said “I AM GOD”. The Lord Jesus Christ clearly attested THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD “After saying all these things, Jesus looked up to heaven and said, “FATHER, the hour has come. Glorify your Son so he can give glory back to you……And this is life eternal, that they might know YOU(FATHER) the ONLY true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you (FATHER) hast sent.”(John 17:1&3)
plus, TThe Lord Jesus Christ clearly said he is not a God when he said “I AM A MAN”.
“But now you seek to kill me, A MAN who was told you the truth which I heard from God.” (John 8:40). Bcoz the Lord Jesus Christ clearly knows that God is NOT A MAN AND HE NEVER CHANGE.
“I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I AM GOD, AND NOT MAN; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.”(Hosea 11:9)
“Descendants of Jacob, I am the LORD All-Powerful, and I NEVER CHANGE.” (Malachi 3:6, CEV)
Plus, the Lord Jesus clealry attested that “God is a SPIRIT, having no flesh and bones” (John 4:24, Luke. 24:39)
That’s why For you to be able that our Lord Jesus Christ is a God, Prove that Jesus is a SPIRIT Co’z God is a SPIRIT having no flesh and bones, no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Also, God never change/transform. That’s why God declared since the beginning that HE is not a human. In short, God is a SPIRIT and remained as a SPIRIT. So, Prove that Jesus is a SPIRIT in nature from beginning to end.
In fact, those who deny that Jesus was a HUMAN were called ANTICHRIST (2 John 1:7, MSG)
You are avoiding the verses that crushed your illiterate understanding of the Holy Scriptures. if You noticed Gio I didn't say anything about God being a man!!! don't get out of the topic illiterate!!! when God said I am not a man, when did God said that??? after Jesus was born or before??? you should have asked God after Jesus was born!!!!. you are talking about the old testament!!! God has not manifested in the fleshed yet!!!John 1:14 ha! ha! ha! ha! you are far behind the discussion or you are not informed by your illiterate founder????ha! ha! ha! lol!!!!!!who is the Holy One GIO???Acts 3:4But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and
desired a murderer to be granted unto you; who is the Rock Gio??? peter???2Sam 22:47The LORD
liveth; and blessed be my rock; and exalted be the God of the rock of my
salvation. I cor 10:4 Christ is the Rock!!! get your theology right!!!! you have too many loop holes!!!!It's irreparable!!! I think!!! loserrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gio why do you want to dictate or revised the written word of God??? you said no where in the Bible u can read God said “I AM A MAN." is that how you interpret the Bible?? you assumed, can I used your rule of interpreting the Bible, Did Jesus said I am not God. Did Jesus said, I am not deity!! ha@! ha! ha! who is the holy one Gio ??? hosea 11:9 is Jesus the Holy One????Acts 3:14, is God the Rock of our salvation??? Is Jesus the Rock??? I cro 10:4 does God never change??? Genesis tell's us that God repented and he destroy the world save Noah and his Family. doesn't that show change repented. Gen 6: 6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it
grieved him at his heart. 7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the
face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of
the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 2 Kings 20 :1In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And the prophet Isaiah
the son of Amoz came to him, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Set thine
house in order; for thou shalt die, and not live. Gio did God change His judgement on Hezekiah???6And I will add unto thy days fifteen years. God did change!!!!! Ha! ha! ha! ha!
I dig...Hades hell and sheol are all the same place..Hell Definition: The word “hell” is found in many Bible translations. In the same verses other translations read “the grave,” “the world of the dead,” and so forth. Other Bibles simply transliterate the original-language words that are sometimes rendered “hell”; that is, they express them with the letters of our alphabet but leave the words untranslated. What are those words? The Hebrew she’ohl′ and its Greek equivalent hai′des, which refer, not to an individual burial place, but to the common grave of dead mankind; also the Greek ge′en·na, which is used as a symbol of eternal destruction. However, both in Christendom and in many non-Christian religions it is taught that hell is a place inhabited by demons and where the wicked, after death, are punished (and some believe that this is with torment).
Just because Jesus became man, does not mean that Jesus was not God. Jesus was God inside of his flesh body. One of the problems many have about Jesus is that all they see is a man that looks like them. But they didn't see his inner man, which is the true man that one will see when he leaves this earth.
the last messenger is UNBIBICAL!!!!!!
I would love to debate him. The Bible begins with a Triune view of God (Genesis 1:26) and ends with one (Rev. 22). And in the pages between, it is FILLED with evidence God is NOT JUST the Father but also the Son and the Spirit--and these THREE are the ONE (there is but ONE) God. In Mark 2:5-12, Jesus proclaims Himself to be God in the flesh, BY not only healing the man, but forgiving his sins... and they said, "Who but GOD can forgive sin?" Notice, Jesus does not refute their comment. WHY?
"GOD is with us" is the meaning of Immanuel. This is a proclamation just as Elijah "The Lord Is My GOD". Elijah's name is also a proclamation.
What does it mean biblically with that praise "GOd is with us". does it mean God is physically present with us? or it mean something figurative when that praise is said.? abrupt conclusion is superficial..dig deeper my friend..
@@leonking9459 dig where? And for what reason? Do I "dig deeper" until we agree? It is not necessary for one to believe in the "Trinity" nor to understand it. A mediator is not a mediator of one. That explains exactly what I need to know. Christ submitted Himself under His Father. That tells me what I need to know. The Most High will never leave me nor forsake me. That means that He is with me. So, I can say Immanual as well. Can I not? It doesn't imply that I am part of the trinity. It does imply that We are one. Yet, it does not make me God. Regardless of the reply, I do hope you are well and still in the faith 8 years later. I apologize for not getting back sooner
The Jews killed Jesus because they didn't like his teachings, good deeds, and the claim that he's the son of God, so divine. Not because Jesus was making himself equal to father ...
Why is the audio so bad in such an important debate?
Sorry it was a personal recording not an actual official one... if you would like to know more about the Church of Christ visit incmedia.org and you can ask questions there....Thank you for watching 😊
mickcar26 .
Thank you.
I am a biblical Unitarian though .
I just love to listen brother joe
The Lord Jesus Christ will never break the law for anyone.
--Our Lord Jesus Christ became a SAVIOR in accordance and fulfilment of the law. He did not become a savior without doing something. That’s why he said “I come to FULFILL the law or prophets, not to destroy” (Matt. 5:17). For the law states”… EACH IS TO DIE FOR HIS OWN SIN.” (Deut. 24:16) and the wage of sin is death (Rom. 6:23; Rev. 20:14) which is eternal hell. Our Lord Jesus pay our sins through his blood(Matt. 26:28, Heb. 9:22).
In order for our Lord Jesus Christ to SAVE MANKIND without violating God’s law on Deut. 24:16. He built his church(Matt. 16:18). The church is the BODY of Christ and Jesus is the HEAD of the church(Col. 1:18). Thus, in the sight of God(FATHER), Jesus(HEAD) and the body/church of Christ stands “1 NEW MAN”(Eph. 2:15) in his sight.
“By abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.HIS PURPOSE WAS TO CREATE IN HIMSELF ONE NEW MAN OUT OF THE TWO, thus making peace.” (Ephesians 2:15 NIV)
That’s why our Lord Jesus Christ commands us to enter to his body/church in order to be saved(John 10:9). Co’z our Lord Jesus Christ CANNOT PAY for our sins if we are outside the body/church of Christ for it is against God’s law”… EACH IS TO DIE FOR HIS OWN SIN.” (Deut. 24:16). That’s why he said to the Jews “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He(Christ), you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24).
Co’z our Lord Jesus Christ ONLY DIED for his BODY(CHURCH) Not for many or other churches .
“For a husband has authority over his wife just as Christ has authority over the church; AND CHRIST IS HIMSELF THE SAVIOR OF THE CHURCH, HIS BODY.Husbands, love your wives, JUST AS CHRIST LOVED THE CHURCH AND GAVE HIMSELF UP FOR HER” (Ephesians 5:23&25)
“Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock, over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, to feed the church of Christ which he has purchased with His blood (Acts 20:28 Lamsa).”
--Thus, It is RIGHT and LAWFUL to call our Lord Jesus Christ “SAVIOR”, for the Church was built by the Savior primarily to save man from the punishment for his sins, which is death
See link for more info - theiglesianicristo.blogspot.com/2016/11/salvation-and-church-of-christ-gods.html
How good is the blood of Jesus to effectually cleanse our sins and the sin of the whole world. is it because Acts 20:28 is really the blood of God???? if Jesus is just a mere man, what type of blood does Jesus possessed, that can continually cleanse the sin of anyone who comes to him??? is it just a normal type o ab or z??? why can't you just used Felix Manalo's blood!!! since he is the last sugo otot!!! and he is of a better founder than the Lord Jesus Christ, for he(Manalo) resurrected the church that apostate and vanished!!! a new church not the church that was founded in Jerusalem by the Lord Jesus Christ. For your Pasugo clearly state that the church that Felix Manalo registered in Philippines has no connection whatsoever to the church started in Jerusalem!!!!. What a preposterous claimed by the Illiterate Felix Manalo. and you are all been con!!!!.
may binanggit ba na Diyos ang anak at espirito santo? wala di ba?
I am very blessed that I belong to true God nation in this last day.
I would not dare to question my God, Who is Omniscience; Omnipotent; Omnipresence. God is infinite and eternal. He will be waiting for us in the last days. I am saved by the grace of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Amen. We are lucky we know the one triune God.
Grilled na grilled....idol bro.joe
1:44:30 Catholic says there are 3 creator
1:46:16 says bro. Joe reading
Isaiah 44 : 24
[24]Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF;
(In Tagalog)
Ganito ang sabi ng Panginoon, ng iyong Manunubos, at niyang naganyo sa iyo mula sa bahay-bata, Ako ang Panginoon na gumagawa ng lahat na bagay; na naglaladlad, na magisa ng langit; na naglalatag ng lupa;
Kayo na po humusga.
How is Jesus connected to the SEED of David if he was born of God??
+Raeini Yarzo Who is the true Jesus for you:
1.) An archangel that became a god, then became archangel again
2.) A man who became god and a product of god and a goddess
3.) The Word of God who was the creator of all things
You answer will determine if you have the true Jesus of the bible.
Or, feel free to say who Jesus is to you.😊
Yes, keep trying, provide all your false conclusions. You are a master of false conclusions
like your father the devil.
tell me the name of your religion and I will answer these questions
Conversing without back-up Scriptures. Concession accepted.
mali ang pagkaunawa mo. walang nilabag na aral ang INC sa katunayan si Cristo ang ulo ng kanyang Iglesia. ang ibig mong sabihin ay upang maligtas ang isang tao kailangan ang paglakad sa tamang daan upang sa kanilang ikaliligtas. malinaw na hindi naman sinabi na si Cristo na siya ay tunay na Diyos. natalikod ang unang Iglesia dahilan para mahiwalay ang tao sa tamang relihiyon kaya madaming tao ang nabulag sa mga maling aral. magsuri ka alamin mo ang katangian ng tunay na relihiyon...
saan sumabit don? di naman namin binanggit na may Diyos na naghahayag sa 3 persona, ang galing mo at alam mo ang doxology namin talagang tagumpay ang pagpapalaganap namin ng Aral ng Diyos, attend ka pa ulit, walang masama sa pagsusuri...
15 years akong naging member ng INC(manalo) kaya kabisado ko aral ng PINOY NA SUGO(FELIX MANALO)
Kaya gulat ako noon ng umatend ako worship service ng Methodist inawit nila Doxology ng INK kaya taka ako bakit pareho LYRIC at TONO ng Doxology ng Methodist at INK kaya reseach ako;
Kopya pala ng INC manalo ang Doxology ng Methodist eto po yun:
Ang Ama ay papurihan,
Anak, Espiritung , Mahal
Ng mga taong nilalalang
at ng tanang salangitan, Amen
(kaya pinalitan ng INC itong lumang Doxology)
Sa 15 years mo Wala ka natotohan kc fake yong pagiging member mo na sinasabi, di ka totoo na naging INC member
Key word"they said" than you say after saying they said that Jesus said he is God, so who really said that Jesus or "they"?
Oh wow, the second speaker is saying that Felix is prophesied by Isaiah? What a shame. They follow a contemporary prophet, just like Jehovah's Witnesses, like Mormons, like Adventists.
yah true
Without faith, we will have too many questions and doubts.
Inc is garbage inc fanboy zombie loser lmaoooooooooo
Deuteronomio 27:15
15Sumpain ang taong gumagawa ng larawang inanyuan o binubo, bagay na karumaldumal sa Panginoon, na gawa ng mga kamay ng manggagawa, at inilagay sa dakong lihim. At ang buong bayan ay sasagot at magsasabi, Siya nawa.
--1 Tim 2:5 states “For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, THE MAN Christ Jesus”. That’s why if Jesus is ur 1 God, then WHO IS UR 1 MEDIATOR??
How can God mediate for himself if the Bible stated God hated sin(Psalm 5:4) and sins departed humans from God(Is. 59:2)??
Does John 12:41 say Jesus is God??? NOOO.
John 12:41 “Isaiah said these things(PLURAL FORM) because he saw his glory and spoke of him. ”is in reference to the 2 PROPHECIES which is John 12:38(a quotation of Is. 53:1) and John 12:40(a quotation of Is. 6:10), that prophesied by the prophet Isaiah NOT on Isaiah 6 ALONE.
However, I would say the context of the passage gives it to us clearly:
"…When Jesus had said these things, he departed and hid himself from them. Though he had done so many signs before them, they still did not believe in him, so that the word spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: “Lord, who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?" - (John 12:36-38,Is. 53:1)
“For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere: He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn-and I would heal them.” - (John 12:29-40, Is. 6:10)
"Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory and spoke of him. Nevertheless, many even of the authorities believed in him, but for fear of the Pharisees they did not confess it, so that they would not be put out of the synagogue; for they loved the glory that comes from man more than the glory that comes from God." - (John 12:41-43)
The context makes it quite plain that John's purpose in quoting these two verses is to show how the disbelief of the Jews had been prophesied by Isaiah and this prophecy was now being fulfilled.
If John 12:41 is in reference to Isaiah 6:10 and verse 3, Then
Where does God the Father fit in this picture? Are we to suppose that God the Father (and the Holy Spirit) are just not there? Are we to forget they exist, or suppose they are off somewhere else, and suppose just one single person is sitting on this throne and this person is Jesus? Are we to become temporary Modalists to suit this occasion? The Trinitarian claim does not even make sense on the surface of things.
JOHN 12:41: What Isaiah saw???
What Isaiah saw? The GLORY that John the Baptist describe that the prophet Isaiah saw is NOT on Isaiah 6:10 but on 53:1, for Is. 6:10 is in reference to those people who do not believe on the works and preaching of Christ which is the Jews.
FULL CONTEXT starts on Is. 52:13 to Is. 53: 12 “The Suffering and Glory of the Servant “
“Behold, my servant shall understand, and be exalted, and GLORIFIED exceedingly. As many shall be amazed at thee, so shall thy face be without GLORY from men, and YOUR GLORY shall not be honoured by the sons of men. Thus shall many nations wonder at him; and kings shall keep their mouths shut: for they to whom no report was brought concerning him, shall see; and they who have not heard, shall consider.. “(Is. 52:13)
“1Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? 2He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. 3He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem. 4Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted. 5But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed. 6We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. 8By oppression and judgment he was taken away. Yet who of his generation protested? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was punished.[102] 9He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, THOUGH HE HAD DONE NO VIOLENCE, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT IN HIS MOUTH. 10Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes[103] his life an offering for sin, HE WILL SEE HIS OFFSPRING AND PROLONG HIS DAYS, AND THE WILL OF THE LORD WILL PROSPER IN HIS HAND. 11AFTER HE HAS SUFFERED, HE WILL SEE THE LIGHT OF LIFE[104] AND BE SATISFIED[105]; BY HIS KNOWLEDGE[106] MY RIGHTEOUS SERVANT WILL JUSTIFY MANY, AND HE WILL BEAR THEIR INIQUITIES. 12Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[107] and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[108] because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.” (Is. 53:1-12)
John says that Isaiah said these things about Jewish unbelief because he saw the Messiah's glory. Now, how does it make any rational sense to suggest Isaiah spoke about future unbelieving Jews because he saw a pre-existent Jesus sitting on a throne seven centuries before? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It only makes sense that Isaiah saw the future Messiah, his future glory, and the Jewish disbelief in response to that future Messiah.
---Christ existed as a WORD/LOGOS/PLAN in the mind of the FATHER(1 Peter 1:20) before he came to existence or made flesh(John 1:1 & 14). But God's plan to send Him had found fulfillment only when He (Christ) was conceived and born of a woman named Mary through the Holy Spirit (Gal. 4:4; Matt. 1:18, 20).So, Christ was the very first in God's plan of creation though He was not the first to be created by God.
That’s why God announced to his prophets the coming of Messiah. For NO WORD from God will ever fail(Luke 1:37), If God spoken it he will make it happen.(Is. 46:11). HIS decisions will not change, If God says he will do something, then he will do it.(Num. 23:19)
“1Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God - 2 THE GOSPEL HE PROMISED BEFOREHAND THROUGH HIS PROPHETS IN THE HOLY SCRIPTURES 3 REGARDING HIS SON, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David, 4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.”(Rom. 1:1-4)
---Plus, How can Jesus be a God, if the 1 Lord God of the prophet Isaiah and Lord Jesus is the FATHER.
“Doubtless thou art our FATHER, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our FATHER our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.”(ISAIAH 63:15)
“But now, O LORD, thou art our FATHER; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.”(ISAIAH 64:8)
That’s why the Lord Jesus Christ attested that God the Father is the ONE LORD GOD of the Bible.
“At that time Jesus said, "I praise YOU, FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH”,(Matt. 11:25, Luke 10:21)
Which is ONE .: “Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD”(Mark 11:29) (a quotation of Deuteronomy 6:4)
Which is also the ONLY TRUE GOD: “After Jesus finished saying this, he looked up to heaven and said, FATHER, the hour has come. Give glory to your Son, so that the Son may give glory to you. And eternal life means to know you(FATHER), the only true God, and to know Jesus Christ, whom you(FATHER) sent.” (John 17:1&3, Good News Translation)
+Gio Alvarez
1.)Micah 5:2 refers to ruler from Bethlehem, who is Jesus, whose goings forth have been from of OLD, from EVERLATING. The Hebrew words "from of OLD" is the exact same one used by prophet Habakkuk to refer to God's eternal nature. You missed that point. In addition, what do you mean by the word EVERLASTING?
2.) If you said that Isaiah 9:6 is not referring to Jesus, then why in verse 7 it says "He will rule with fairness and justice from the throne of His ANCESTOR David for all eternity." (NLT) Since when David becomes the ancestor of God the Father? But, in Matthew 1 you can read that David was the ANCESTOR of Jesus in His humanity. Eternal Father means He possess eternal nature or Father of Eternity, not referring to Yahweh. Besides, you ignored it as the prophecy for Israel's Hope in the Messiah. Who is the Messiah?
3.) If Jesus is not God, then why did apostle Peter ASKING ALL CHRISTIANS to WORSHIP JESUS CHRIST as Lord of your life? (1 Peter 3:15; NLT) When the bible is very clear that ONLY GOD IS TO BE WORSHIPPED! Is he teaching all believers to committ idolatry? That is unthinkable!
4.) Jesus is God because, again, He was the Creator of the heavens and earth. (Hebrews 1:10-12; Psalm 102:25-27) JESUS IS ALWAYS THE SAME, WILL LIVE FOREVER! I do not know how you define the words forever or eternal or eternity means, but, eternal or forever means BEYOND OR OUTSIDE OF TIME and only God can do that. With your answers you are just contradicting Scriptures. Jesus is both God and Human (Philippians 2), this is where you are mixed-up or ignore deliberately.😊
+Ed Pan, let me help you with your conclusions to Gio
+Gio below is the conclusions of Mr Ed Pan
""""" +Gio Alvarez
1.)Micah 5:2 refers to ruler from Bethlehem, who is Jesus, whose goings forth have been from of OLD, from EVERLATING. The Hebrew words "from of OLD" is the exact same one used by prophet Habakkuk to refer to GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT's eternal nature. You missed that point. In addition, what do you mean by the word EVERLASTING?
2.) If you said that Isaiah 9:6 is not referring to Jesus, then why in verse 7 it says "He will rule with fairness and justice from the throne of His ANCESTOR David for all eternity." (NLT) Since when David becomes the ancestor of GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT? But, in Matthew 1 you can read that David was the ANCESTOR of Jesus in His humanity. Eternal Father means He possess eternal nature or Father of Eternity, not referring to Yahweh. Besides, you ignored it as the prophecy for Israel's Hope in the Messiah. Who is the Messiah?
3.) If Jesus is not GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT, then why did apostle Peter ASKING ALL CHRISTIANS to WORSHIP JESUS CHRIST as Lord of your life? (1 Peter 3:15; NLT) When the bible is very clear that ONLY GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT IS TO BE WORSHIPPED! Is he teaching all believers to committ idolatry? That is unthinkable!
4.) Jesus is GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT because, again, He was the Creator of the heavens and earth. (Hebrews 1:10-12; Psalm 102:25-27) JESUS IS ALWAYS THE SAME, WILL LIVE FOREVER! I do not know how you define the words forever or eternal or eternity means, but, eternal or forever means BEYOND OR OUTSIDE OF TIME and only GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT can do that. With your answers you are just contradicting Scriptures. Jesus is both GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT and Human (Philippians 2), this is where you are mixed-up or ignore deliberately """""
Trinitarianism is simply a repackaged version of Rome’s state religion and trinity called the Capitoline Triad.
This expanded timeline illustrates the transition from the worship of the Capitoline Triad in Roman religion to the adoption of Christianity as the state religion:
Capitoline Triad in Roman Religion before Christianity:
8th century BC: Emergence of early Roman religious practices, though specific reference to the Capitoline Triad might not be prominent.
509 BC: Traditional date for the founding of the Roman Republic, marking an era when religious practices gained importance in the state structure.
4th century BC: The Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus, dedicated to Jupiter, was built on the Capitoline Hill, solidifying the prominence of the Capitoline Triad.
3rd century BC: The temple dedicated to Juno Regina was constructed on the Capitoline Hill, alongside the Temple of Jupiter.
2nd century BC: The Temple of Minerva Capta was built on the Capitoline Hill, completing the physical manifestation of the Capitoline Triad's significance in Rome.
27 BC to 14 AD: The establishment of the Roman Empire under Augustus, during which the worship of the Capitoline Triad continued as a central part of Roman state religion.
1st century AD: The Capitoline Triad, especially the cults of Jupiter, Juno, and Minerva, remained integral to Roman religious life and state ceremonies.
Transition to Christianity in the Roman Empire:
4th century AD: Christianity gains prominence under Emperor Constantine; Christianity transitions from a persecuted religion to the state religion of the Roman Empire. Replacing the Capitoline Triad.
325 AD: The Council of Nicaea affirms and formalizes the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, establishing it as a central tenet within Christianity.
The Capitoline Triad was a prominent religious concept in ancient Roman religion, consisting of three major deities: Jupiter (Jupiter Optimus Maximus), Juno (Juno Regina), and Minerva. These three gods were worshipped together as a triad and held significant importance in Roman religious beliefs and state ceremonies.
The influence of the Capitoline Triad on the adoption of the Christian Trinity in the Roman Empire can be understood in a few ways:
1. Concept of a Divine Triad: The existence and acceptance of a divine triad in Roman religious beliefs may have laid a conceptual foundation or familiarized people with the idea of a threefold divine structure. The worship of three significant gods together could have prepared the Roman populace to accept the Christian concept of a triune God, even though the theological details were different.
2. Association with Power and State Religion: The Capitoline Triad was closely tied to the power structure of the Roman state. As Rome transitioned to Christianity, the Christian Trinity, with its similar structure of three divine figures (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), might have resonated with the existing social and religious order, making it more acceptable to the authorities and the populace.
3. Transition from Polytheism to Monotheism:** The concept of a triad of gods was part of Roman polytheism, where multiple deities were worshipped. The Christian Trinity presented a transition from this polytheistic belief system to a monotheistic one, albeit with a triadic structure. This shift might have been more acceptable to individuals accustomed to acknowledging multiple divine figures within a religious context.
4. Continuity of Worship Practices: The Roman Empire underwent a gradual transition from traditional Roman polytheistic beliefs to Christianity. In this transition, the continuity of religious practices, including the worship of a triadic structure of gods, could have eased the acceptance of the Christian Trinity, which presented a similar yet distinct theological framework.
In summary, the Trinity concept in Christianity played a pivotal role in facilitating the acceptance and adoption of the faith among the pagan population of the Roman Empire. Its similarities to the established religious structure of the Capitoline Triad, coupled with its adaptability and strategic incorporation, contributed significantly to the successful transition of Christianity into the state religion. This nuanced assimilation strategy served as a critical tool in the conversion of the pagan majority, contributing to the rapid growth and establishment of Christianity in the Roman Empire.
The audio STINKS...
Let us make man in our image that's plural in the old testament
Amen
"keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely that he should be equal to GOD'. - Phil. 2:5,6
To clarify there’s a Spirit Named Christ Jesus who is the Father God” he was before the Man” (body) and he created the Man Christ Jesus and made him Lord and Christ see Acts 2:36, The Spirit Christ Jesus was in the Prophets in the Old Testament see.. 1 Peter 1:10-12, so The Spirit Christ Jesus spoke of The Man Christ Jesus who is the Son that suffered” both are named Christ Jesus and the Son inherited his Father’s name see Hebrews 1:4, The Man Christ Jesus is mediator between us and The spirit Christ Jesus” when you understand Christ Jesus is the Father’s name and title first it makes sense how Jesus Christ is God” not the man Christ Jesus but the Spirit Christ Jesus, See Jude 25 - the savior is called only wise God and Savior” Original King James” Jesus Christ Is God but not God the Son, he’s The Father in Spirit form, before Abraham was I AM he said” so that means before his body he was God The Father as The Holy Spirit, and The Body is The Son Luke 1:35
What would you do if someone worshiped you? You would reject that, just like me.
Jesus NEVER did.
I repeat.
Jesus NEVER rejected worship of himself.
Every Christian who cannot satisfactorily explain the Trinity has no business mocking the Mormons for ANYTHING they believe! The Trinity construct is so offensive to logic and reason and is so counterintuitive that books are written trying to explain the unexplainable. The very idea of Jesus praying to himself in the Garden and the ventriloquism required at his baptism stretches credulity to its breaking point. How can any Trinitarian mock anything the Mormons or anyone else believes? To swallow the camel of the Trinity while straining on the gnats of Mormonism is the epitome of hypocrisy!
Matt 28:19 read for your satisfaction!!!
Jeremiah 23:16
This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD
The Bible is FILLED with evidence God is NOT JUST the Father but also the Son and the Spirit--and these THREE are the ONE (there is but ONE) God. In Mark 2:5-12, Jesus proclaims Himself to be God in the flesh, BY not only healing the man, but forgiving his sins... and they said, "Who but GOD can forgive sin?" Notice, Jesus does not refute their comment. Then, in John 20, Thomas calls Jesus, "My LORD and my GOD" and Jesus does not rebuke Thomas. WHY? Because Jesus is Immanuel--GOD WITH US>
+Gio Alvarez Jesus is Yahweh in the fulfillment of Isaiah 40:3. Who came after John the Baptist? Was is the Father or Jesus?
--What makes u think that Jesus is the inherent LORD GOD of the Bible?? For u to realize, Jesus was made Lord by God(Father) only in the NT
“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, THAT GOD HATH MADE THE SAME JESUS, WHOM YE HAVE CRUCIFIED, BOTHLORD AND CHRIST.”(Acts 2:36)
NOBODY made God a LORD. The LORDSHIP of God is inherent in him (Matt. 11:25, Luke 10:21). On the other hand, Jesus was MADE Lord. God did not make any other man lord like Christ. That’s why the LORDSHIP of Christ is not INHERENT IN HIM, but given to him the God the FATHER (Acts 2:36, Matthew 22:44, Psalm 110:1). Therefore, Jesus Christ CANNOT beGOD.
--Beside, How can Trinitarians promote their God Trinity, if the Holy Spirit is missing from LORDSHIP???
The Yahweh of the Scripture is God the FATHER. Accdg.to the prophet Isaiah,
“But now, O LORD, thou art our FATHER; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.”(ISAIAH 64:8)
But now, Yahweh, you are our Father; we are the clay, and you our potter; and we all are the work of your hand.”(ISAIAH 64:8, World English Bible)
And how can Jesus be the inherent LORD(YAHWEH) of the Bible if he is made Lord (Acts 2:36). So, Yahweh was made Yahweh?? How absurd??
That's why how can Jesus be YAHWEH if he is YESHUA and was made Lord???? Unless u contradict ur trinity doctrine and say Jesus is the Father and vice versa??
I thought it odd how the moderator allowed the second guy to cross examine during his entire opening. But then I heard the moderator call him “Brother so and so” and it all made sense . The second guy would not win against Dr.James White.
James White wiped the floor with Joe Ventilacion lol! INC is either Blind or In denial for not seeing how the arguments of Joe Ventilacion were so weak! He couldn't hold a candle for James White.
@@SUPER_BOUY Better search for more, dig deeper, it seems your knowledge about the truth is superficial,
@@SUPER_BOUY ur are idiot....trinity was not found in the bible...in short fake doctrine...
@@SUPER_BOUYare you delusional? Have you watched the debate between bro. Joe Ventilacion and james white? If you are truly reasonable enough, you would've seen that james white is very illogical.
@@leonking9459 what is there to search for.. Joe's arguments are there! James White arguments are there both their refutation are there! if an unbiased judge were to preside over who won it's clear Joe Ventilation is unable to answer James White adequately and you see that most of the time Joe is saved by the bell and was just dodging and dragging his answers for his time to expire. Joe is clearly having a hard time defending his stance. There's no point in lying God knows our hearts whatever you say here God can see though our hearts and minds.