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BIID: a rejection of your own body

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  • Опубліковано 21 лют 2017
  • A documentary about Body Integrity Identity Disorder (BIID): how it's shown in the media and what it's like living with it.
    Made as part of an MA in Broadcast Journalism at City University, London.
    (June 2016)

КОМЕНТАРІ • 46

  • @naomiyesitsme4912
    @naomiyesitsme4912 5 років тому +3

    It sounds to me like it's an obsession thing . dreaming about it , constantly thinking about it , pretending to have no leg . Then when they lose the leg there obsession has been addressed and they are happy

    • @user-lb2oz8ns3j
      @user-lb2oz8ns3j 5 років тому +1

      I don't think so because there's many people who ignore it throughout their life and one day come to learn about BIID and say how they have had it for years sometimes since childhood but they just never acted on it or focused on it too much and that didn't change it

  • @frogsaythat5048
    @frogsaythat5048 2 роки тому +2

    I have a BIID representation. There i s no sexual content, only my brain representation of my body. I feel my right leg and left arm, like alien, not mine, for my entire life. Im 26 from Bulgaria

    • @Oniromanciee
      @Oniromanciee 2 роки тому

      Hey maybe we should get in touch.
      Raph'

  • @medicaldoll5506
    @medicaldoll5506 6 років тому +12

    What if this is a sign of end times. That our past lives are merging with our present lives (reincarnation). So these people who feel they were born in the wrong body were really that in a past life?

    • @michealdavisprince
      @michealdavisprince 6 років тому

      Medical Doll this is actually a really interesting idea! I dont think its true in all cases, but funny enough i know i lost an eye in another life and one of the problem areas in my BIID is my eye.

    • @scratchy1704
      @scratchy1704 3 роки тому

      I was thinking the exact same thing

    • @clairee4939
      @clairee4939 Рік тому

      😮that’s deep. Good idea for a book

  • @kesito777
    @kesito777 5 років тому +4

    I honestly wonder whether BIID sufferers who have severed their bodies, blind themselves, etc. would have done it anyway if they couldn't access any incapacity benefits or financial help as disabled people. I live in a 3rd world country where the government can't help the disabled so they have to work like everyone else (and believe me it's really hard for them to get a job so they and their families are very poor). I understand there might be a physiological cause for BIID but I suspect you're more likely to suffer from it if you live in a rich country where nanny State can help you.

  • @starsofficer11
    @starsofficer11 5 років тому +6

    I wish I was paralyzed from the waist down I never knew why till coming across this does that mean I have this bbid?

    • @xxcooloballxx2466
      @xxcooloballxx2466 4 роки тому

      starsofficer11 Im no IID patient but can you explain why? I mean if you were paralyzed you couldn’t write this comment

    • @AlienVisitor0112
      @AlienVisitor0112 4 роки тому

      It's a possibility, I recommend doing more research into BIID and possibly talking to a therapist about it.

  • @onebourbononescotch
    @onebourbononescotch 5 років тому +8

    I wonder how trans people feel about the fact that people compare them to BIID. I feel like the two things are completely different but that's my gut feeling only.

    • @conscienceaginBlackadder
      @conscienceaginBlackadder 5 років тому

      Lithp variant BIID. A boy with voithe training or even voithe operation, to dethtroy hith S and Z thoundth and have a lthp, that fitth tho perfectly with all year round in micro dretheth, an ugly off-white headband the thame colour ath hith pantth, and bare feet with blingy thow-off ecthpenthive rich girl'th toenail paint.

    • @user-lb2oz8ns3j
      @user-lb2oz8ns3j 5 років тому +1

      I have gender dysphoria and I think there's probably some correlation. Idk how accurate it is or the sample size but I heard of one thing that said that 19% of those with BIID also have gender dysphoria, and it also seems to manifest very similarly in many ways... I just wonder if it's physical or psychological...

    • @winros
      @winros Рік тому

      I respect what you said however, transgenders they take off their breasts they feel as though your brush don't belong to them and vice-versa with the man's penis they want their penis off it doesn't belong to them ✌🏻✌🏻

  • @jaisanatanrashtra7035
    @jaisanatanrashtra7035 3 роки тому +2

    My body my choice 😂
    Lets take it to extreme 😝

  • @clairee4939
    @clairee4939 Рік тому

    “There’s a lot real weirdos who frequent these forums” 😂

  • @azumi-osaki
    @azumi-osaki 3 роки тому +2

    In 2020, everything would be simple and easy if doctors would listen to what clients need and give them what they want, no questions asked. Sometimes we wonder if our lives really belong to us. As for the doctors, everything is neurological (mental illness) because they do not understand. There are always "I think" and "what if"... In order not to get into trouble or not to live with a bad conscience all their life, doctors ask full examination and clients don't stop paying for therapies and being on medication (not to mention being placed in an asylum for evaluations). In the end, it never leads to anything and there are only two choices: kill ourself or go to the butcher in a poor country and pay cash... That is the real world
    2020年には、医師がクライアントのニーズに耳を傾け、彼らが望むものを彼らに提供すれば、質問は一切なく、すべてがシンプルで簡単になります。 時々、私たちの生活は本当に私たちのものなのかと思います。 医者に関しては、彼らが理解していないので、すべてが神経学的(精神疾患)です。 常に「私は思う」と「仮説」があります...トラブルに巻き込まれないように、または生涯良心のないまま生きないようにするために、医師は完全な検査を依頼し、クライアントは治療費の支払いと継続を止めません 薬物療法(評価のために庇護下に置かれることは言うまでもない)。 結局、それは何にもつながりませんし、2つの選択肢しかありません。私たちを殺すか、貧しい国の肉屋に行って現金を支払うことです...それが現実の世界です
    2020 년에는 의사가 고객이 필요로하는 것을 듣고 원하는 것을 제공한다면 모든 것이 간단하고 쉬울 것입니다. 때때로 우리는 우리의 삶이 정말로 우리에게 속해 있는지 궁금합니다. 의사는 이해하지 못하기 때문에 모든 것이 신경 학적 (정신병)입니다. 항상 "내 생각"과 "만약"이 있습니다. 평생 동안 문제가 생기지 않거나 나쁜 양심으로 살지 않기 위해 의사는 전체 검사를 요청하고 고객은 치료 비용을 지불하고 계속되는 것을 중단하지 않습니다. (평가를 위해 망명에 배치되는 것은 말할 것도 없습니다). 결국, 그것은 어떤 것도 가져 오지 않으며, 오직 두 가지 선택 만이 있습니다 : 자살하거나 가난한 나라의 정육점에 가서 현금을 지불하는 것입니다. 그것이 현실 세계입니다.
    En 2020, tout serait simple et facile si les médecins écoutaient ce dont les clients ont besoin et leur donnent ce qu'ils veulent, sans poser de questions. Parfois, nous nous demandons si nos vies nous appartiennent vraiment. Quant aux médecins, tout est neurologique (maladie mentale) car ils ne comprennent pas. Il y a toujours "je pense" et "il arrive quoi si"... Afin de ne pas avoir d'ennuis ou de ne pas vivre avec une mauvaise conscience toute leur vie, les médecins demandent un examen complet et les clients n'arrêtent pas de payer pour les thérapies et d'être sous médication (sans parler d'être placé dans un asile pour évaluation). Au final, cela ne mène jamais à rien et il n'y a que deux choix : se tuer ou aller chez le boucher dans un pays pauvre et payer cash... C'est le monde réel

  • @jasonread5017
    @jasonread5017 Рік тому

    my self and all other people are fucked up

  • @danielkattantorres
    @danielkattantorres 7 років тому +8

    I wish I had no ears 👂.
    I want to hear but with no ears

  • @user-ho1vt8vz2l
    @user-ho1vt8vz2l 5 років тому +1

    Nicola Stockley is pretty.

  • @frogsaythat5048
    @frogsaythat5048 2 роки тому

    Не е правилно казано, усещам нуждата да се махнат крака и ръката ми, но не на всяка цена и дори да не се случи, това няма да повлияе на качеството ми на живот

  • @aspiringmultiplicity
    @aspiringmultiplicity 4 роки тому +3

    My thoughts on and feelings about this condition are complex, very conflicted and ambivalent. As a transsexual woman, I find it exasperating and frustrating that BIID is compared to my condition, although such comparisons are alas inevitable. It's terribly inaccurate and wildly inappropriate to compare the two for more reasons than I can go into detail about in a UA-cam comment, and based on a fundamental misunderstanding of transsexualism and, perhaps, BIID itself as well. I can briefly elaborate if anyone's genuinely curious.
    That said, despite that I feel as if I *should* be horrified by 'BIID', despite the way that it goes against my philosophical/religious beliefs and is anathema to my worldview and ideals for humanity, I honestly...just can't bring myself to hate these people. Or view them with visceral revulsion or even a sort of patronizing, shocked quasi-benevolent pity. I think it's simply how they're so marginalized and express struggling with incongruity and to feel authentic in a world where they "can't win"--i.e., they either feel that they aren't being true to themselves (by not being disabled how they feel they should be) and others see them as inauthentic and warped regardless of their disability status in a myriad of ways no matter what--my brain just conjures some empathy. I think my reaction to this condition and even other deviations in a similar approximate realm--even disability "devotees" who *do* have a fetish whether or not they also feel that they have BIID--is exactly opposite that of most people who don't just offhandedly condemn it all 100%. By which I mean that while on an "intellectual"/rational/analytical level it is upsetting, repulsive and generally registers as "unacceptable" to me, on an emotional, reflexive, out-of-hand level my response to it isn't hostility, disgust or condemnation at all but rather vague empathy, some sympathy and acutely intrigued curiosity. I'm not totally sure why, except that I myself feel very alien(ated)/marginal(ized), misunderstood and just different for reasons that go well beyond my transsexuality. For most people I've observed and imagine it's vice versa: their initial reaction is to strongly reject and vociferously condemn it, but if they really think about it in terms of prevailing modern views of bodily autonomy and morality based almost solely upon harm done to others, would struggle to find valid reasons why it's so wrong. Some genuinely physically disabled people who don't (claim to) suffer from BIID have even said as much. The clinical research on it is extremely nascent at best and there are many unknowns.
    Still, I've done a fair amount of my own research into it (aforementioned curiosity) and I have some views on it I feel fairly certain about and confident in firmly expressing. One is that, as with transsexualism, even *if* BIID actually is some sort of valid neurological condition resulting in a defective internal/mind body integrative/image map, there are a lot of people who identify with the concept to whatever extent for whom that probably isn't their deal. For such a niche tiny community, it's a varied and complex one. There are people for whom it really is really just/primarily sexual (just as there are people who are cis, not transsexual but fetishize cross-gender expression in themselves), people who likely do have 'BIID' (whatever the etiology turns out to be) for whom it isn't sexual in itself but manifests partially that way or is intertwined with their sexualities in various ways, people who simply have identity issues due to personality disorders and other psychological maladies, etc., etc.
    I'm not saying that this reflects on all people who feel BIID applies to them or that it inherently precludes such a condition legitimately existing as a separate issue (not attributable to other factors as mentioned above), but...there are clearly people for whom it simply *isn't* a mind/brain/body mismatch. There's someone in this very comment section who openly admits they just wants to be "disabled", with a range of disabilities appealing to them from paraplegia to blindness to deafness, and this person isn't the only one I've seen online with that approach. With such drastically different disabilities only having in common that they are all disabilities in totally different parts/systems of the body, how does that make sense as a neurological/neurodevelopmental mismatch condition? Obviously it's just a psych issue there. I also once read a blog of a guy who vigorously claimed to have blindness-associated BIID and even used a white cane etc., who later suddenly claimed it completely went away when he started identifying with the concept of "therianthropy" and feeling like he was a wolf. Yikes. It's akin to how some people claim very dubiously to be "genderfluid", some made up gender, a bunch of "genders", and so on when clearly they just have intrapersonal identity issues. Even one of the main people visible in the media raising awareness as a BIID sufferer, lady named Chloe, is also transsexual, claims to be intersex (which has been questioned and is unsubstantiated), has claimed in the past to have suffered from selective mutism and to have a handful of other physical disabilities to boot (it's technically possible for one person to have legitimately all of that at once, but for it all to apply to one woman simultaneously and someone claiming BIID, with a sketchy past, at that it frankly raises red flags and beggars belief). Sorry BIID people, but these folks aren't exactly helping your case. Point is, even if BIID is a legit non-psychological condition in itself, there are going to be those who think and/or say they have it who don't. So I'd caution the medical community and anyone else from at some future stage, if consensus tilts toward its legitimacy and distinctness, sweepingly assuming validity and treating it the way being transsexual/"transgender" is treated now.
    Additionally, again assuming it is what people who claim to have BIID say/think it is, the hyper-libertarian autonomy/self-modification ethos so in vogue aside, I don't think it should ever be medically treated the way transsexualism currently is and should be (as again, they are *fundamentally* essentially different) I have sincere sympathy for sufferers of BIID in the meantime and hope that an effective cure for the brain-body map mismatch can be found on the brain side if that's what it is, but acting on it medically by physically permanently modifying the body to match what the BIID sufferer thinks/feels it should be would be inherently unethical in the vast majority of cases as it does objective harm and intentionally disabling somebody runs contrary to the very core principles/premises of medicine. I do understand the various arguments in favor of such an approach and that some might think me hypocritical, but I think relativizing this, the basis of all medical treatment, too much is perilous and that that wouldn't be the best treatment for BIID individually/short-term or overall/in the long run. There might be some basis for empathy between the two conditions as I feel and some tangential parallels that may be drawn, but at the crux, regardless of the etiology behind BIID, it and transsexualism are not the same thing, and BIID raises far more medical- and socio-ethical quandaries. PhysIcal disability is not an intrinsic and fully-pervasive aspect of one's identity/being/essence as gender is. Physical disability *in itself* is a defect in all circumstances, but being a woman or a man is not (even if one's karyotype and genitals at birth don't reflect that--in that case, that part is the defect, but the gender one's brain tells one that one truly is is not *itself* defective/pathological).

  • @stevenbrown266
    @stevenbrown266 6 років тому +1

    I think i have this myself and I wrote a blog about my thoughts here mydeafnessobsession.blogspot.co.uk/ if you could leave a comment on this for some advice i would be very grateful, thanks

  • @jont39
    @jont39 5 років тому +4

    Transgender I believe is this same said problem

  • @vladw2003
    @vladw2003 7 років тому +3

    do you have biid?

    • @laurenconklincovers7223
      @laurenconklincovers7223 6 років тому

      Re Sume yah

    • @laurenconklincovers7223
      @laurenconklincovers7223 6 років тому

      Tim Whinet what do you means

    • @taliehughes4341
      @taliehughes4341 5 років тому

      I certainly don’t like having my left leg and always have felt like that, however I also realise it’s ‘not normal’ and live with it

    • @user-ho1vt8vz2l
      @user-ho1vt8vz2l 5 років тому

      What's Biid

    • @rosy_chan283
      @rosy_chan283 4 роки тому +1

      @@user-ho1vt8vz2l please watch the whole video before commenting -_-
      (Not trying to be rude)

  • @mb6194
    @mb6194 6 років тому +8

    This is such a first world problem. You won't find this in a third world country where people have actual problems

    • @user-mr6xf8xz2d
      @user-mr6xf8xz2d 6 років тому +7

      Marianna it's an illness.. it's a mental illness, there is something phisically wrong with their brains.

    • @pagandeva2000
      @pagandeva2000 5 років тому +2

      Marianna you are so right

    • @user-ho1vt8vz2l
      @user-ho1vt8vz2l 5 років тому

      Hahah totally true.

    • @VortexVibe634
      @VortexVibe634 2 роки тому +2

      Not really, I’m fluent in Spanish and I’ve met BIID people from Mexico and Colombia

  • @coertdevoogd3684
    @coertdevoogd3684 Рік тому

    Why not give the person wat they want if someone wants a leg amputation and feels better afterwards isn’t that better than to keep them running around from doctor to doctor or if they try to do it themselves

    • @PeterPantheFearless
      @PeterPantheFearless 11 місяців тому

      Because what folks want is not always what they need. This is a mental illness and that needs to be treated first.

  • @xpkareem
    @xpkareem 5 років тому +2

    Dude, if you want to be blind, SHUT YOUR EYES and LEAVE THEM SHUT! You will BE BLIND! Surgery not needed.

  • @aliciascat9433
    @aliciascat9433 7 років тому +10

    BIID people should talk to real disabled people and appreciate their own abled and/or healthy bodies. This BIID may be related to victim culture and/or mental illness. Aka "I wish that I was not able to communicate" or "I wish I was unable to walk ." This BIID may be an avoidant coping style? Interesting.

  • @aerobicsinstructor1743
    @aerobicsinstructor1743 3 роки тому +1

    I’m originally from India. Both of my parents are from New Delhi India. This disorder breaks my heart in so many ways that I cannot even begin to explain.
    India has been voted as the most corrupted country in Asia. There are criminals in India who kidnap poor children from the streets, poor families, and orphanages and use them for begging.
    Sometimes they amputate one of their limbs or blind them so that they can earn more money as disabled or blind beggars. The maimed children are dispersed into different areas during the day and are taken back to the criminals during the evening time. All of the money goes to the gang leaders. The worst part about all this is that the government is not doing anything about the criminals because some of the money used is to bribe the police.
    This is still happening as we speak and the government of India is not doing anything about it. The same thing happens in China 🇨🇳 as well.