Currently own a 1989 Moto Guzzi Mille GT 1000 cc that I have had for 20 years. Once took me 120 miles on one cylinder at highway speed when one spark plug wire crapped out on a Sunday morning with no shops open. At almost 70 years old it has gotten too heavy to maneuver in and out of situations. Purchased a 2013 Moto Guzzi V7 Stone at more than 100 pounds less wet weight. Absolutely love it. Will stay with Moto Guzzi for the rest of my riding life. I have owned BMW, Laverda, Ducati, Moto Morini, Triumph, BSA, Zundapp, Indian, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Cagiva and loved them all for different reasons, but the fact that I can physically handle the weight of a bike that will cruise (illegally) at 85-90 mph for as long as I need, looks good, is reliable and affordable and unique, why shop anywhere else?- -Mike Battle
Well you're sure not scared to ride it, that's for sure.....loved that little scrape on the left turn in the beginning. Good review, love seeing someone, as we say in the states, "ride it like you stole it". Other reviewers pussyfoot around with it and never wring it's neck like you....Bravo!
Seems like you don't have much experience on the 90's and 00's Italian bikes, but still... a detailed, honest and complete review man! I liked the fact that you went beyond what's stated in the press release and beyond the obvious, referring to important details like riding with a passenger or how stable it is on the highway (should you want to ride it at higher speed). Well done!
I bought my V7 Stone in exact that color last week. Had a few rides now and love it. I agree with most of what you say. Only thing I see a bit different is the suspensions. I come from a Honda Rebel 500 and the Guzzi is a huge upgrade for me when it comes to suspension. Bumps that scared my on the Rebel, especially in turns, seem not even to exist for the Guzzi. Could be something different if you come from another bike like a GS1250 or something like that, but for me the Guzzi is an extremly comfy and stable bike. The problem with the gear indicator is a bit annoying, but you get used to it. It calculates the gear from speed and revs, so sometimes it needs a second or two, to get it right. Not a big deal.
Thank you for your unbiased comments. I just bought one earlier today for delivery in October. The one I test rode was ‘agricultural’ but I loved it. It was full of character but definitely not perfect . Can’t wait to take delivery!! ( my regular bike is a Speed twin which is brilliant 😀)
It looks like a low slung bike that may scrape easily in corners. Love those twin pots and the shaft drive. Nice that you don't have to worry about a chain to oil and adjust. I'd buy one for that reason alone. Colour scheme is a bit of a spare parts jumble. Red with that gold eagle like they had on the V50 and 850 would be preferable in my opinion.
The time you most need a gear indicator is when you're stopped at the lights. It would be good to be sure you're in first, but unfortunately the gear position indicator doesn't work with the clutch disengaged. Go figure.
Good honest review. I can't make up my mind between the V7 (shaft drive, six gears) or the Street Twin (better fueling, more dealerships). If you could only have one, which would you pick? Thank you.
@@alanbriggs7177 both. Speed Twin (the 1200) and the v7. Refined smooth twin power vs rough grumbly character twin that only smooths out when being flogged.
Salut! Crezi ca e o motocicleta buna pentru un incepator? Eu am 1,90m e oare ok? Super review, mi-ar placea daca ai face un test si cu noul Triump Street Twin. Intre aceste doua motociclete oscilez.
In niciun caz Street Twin la 1,90m! Eu am 1,93 si am condus ultimii 30.000km un Triumph Scrambler din 2013, de care sunt f. multumit, iar azi am stat pe un V7 Special 2021 si ma gandesc serios daca sa-l aleg la anul in locul lui Kawa W800 2022, pe care pana azi eram aproape convins ca-l iau. Dar Street Twin nu ti-l recomand deloc, la inaltimea ta. Daca vrei neaparat Triumph, cred ca stai mai bine pe un Bonnie decat pe Street Twin.
i haven't ridden it yet but I have heard other people say the throttle kinda feels _snatchy_ I am thinking this could be fixed by messing with the MAP. I think it may be dumping extra fuel when you touch the throttle. Some cars do the same thing to make you feel like you have more "Get up and go" but it's really just annoying..
Classic Guzzi design, but things like the fuelling issues and general poor quality is unacceptable these days, and that's a shame because it's a "want" bike. Great video again .
I test rode one of these bikes a week ago and I have to say that the clutch felt fine to me and I didn't feel that the fuelling/throttle was at all 'snatchy'.
Which general poor quality? I have a V7III since 3 years and had no quality issue so far. Do you maybe talk about Guzzi quality from more than 20 years ago or do you have quality issues with a new Guzzi or do you have no experience with Guzzi and only in your mind they must have quality issues becuause it is a Guzzi?
@@Vincent79Vega I bought one yesterday. The bike is very well built and stands upto close scrutiny. It’s lovely. Thrashing it (in the video) isn’t really what this bike is meant for, it’s not a sports bike and doesn’t even pretend to be.
0:24 Don't get me wrong, I love R&V and am a subscriber, but why do reviewers (not just R&V) feel the need to thrash the nuts off of every bike they ride? This is not a sports bike.
"snatchy" or "responsive". Depends on spin/bias. Well he summed it up nicely, "I don't like it". Maybe after another shot of vodka he'd be gushing. If you're interested in a proper review without the slurring, check out Antonio Maeso's videos of the v7 2021. It's in Spanish but close caption in english works.
@@predibhoy2242 I test rode one of these bikes a week ago and I have to say that the clutch felt fine to me and I didn't feel that the fuelling/throttle was at all 'snatchy'. Regarding the gear indicator, yes the clutch has to be fully engaged to get a reading, but it never actually gave me a false reading. Oh, and BTW, finding neutral when stationary with the engine off can be tricky on many bikes. He did eventually think to rock the bike jently back and forth in the end though. :D Best advice would be don't let this review put you off, just go and test ride one for yourself.
Low power output out of large displacement typically means high torque. And that is the magic difference. So I'd always choose the high torque engine for a cruiser bike.
@@I-come-from-the-Future And what is high torque for you? 80Nm? of a 1200cc WATERCOOLED engine? Triumph T120 puts out only 7Nm more, and that for nearly extra 400cc. I get it its lower down the rev range, nowhere near anything to justify the extra 4k price tax. By comparison, V7 puts out 73Nm out of a real aircooled pushrod engine that delivers the power through a shaft drive. Objectively speaking v7 is the better bike. shaft drive, air cooled, bigger tang(higher range), better electronics, cheaper/easier to maintain, arguably better build quality, 4k cheaper and is made in Italy.
@@ampm9771 You need to compare the same build versions: 2021: T120 105 Nm at 3,100 Min-1 vs. V7 73 Nm at 5,000 Min-1. Pre 2021 versions: T120 80 NM vs V7 60 Nm. I rode the older V7 and it sucked. I actually own the older Street Twin with 80 Nm and that's a world apart.
@@I-come-from-the-Future I hear what you say. Still, I stand by what I say. V7 was 750 engine which was based on the older design which only delivered what was expected. 2021 V7 is based on the newer design 850cc engine with titanium valves. Before everything, we have to understand that 73Nm out of an aircooled engine at 5000rpm (which around 90% is already available at 300rpm) is an excellent job and is already beating any other bike in class in terms of power/torque for the money and other excellent features it offers. Don't forget that the figures of the 2021 V7 could have been higher since it's the same engine as V85tt. 2021 T120 on the other hand is a total disappointment, especially considering its 15k price tag and lower power figures.
@@vinjofin1972 Yeah thats probably why 1967 mustangs are selling for more then their modern versions. Honestly if you are to dense to grasp what character means, please do not comment, you will make yourself look like a fool. And by the way i would take a 1967 mustang over a modern anytime, even with its shortcomings.
@@davids3282 People who think their machines have character are the fools. They romantesize their machines. Its just a bunch of metall and wires. And they are willing to pay a lot for it. So who are the fools.
@@vinjofin1972 do you ride bikes at all? Cause they don't make any sense to ride it except possibly for commuting to work in the city, but scooters are better at that. You have to romanticize motorcycles to ride them because strictly objectively they're stupid and useless.
they were founded in Genoa? I thought they were founded in Mandello del Lario? Theyve been making the bikes there since they started in 1921. In the words of Joe Biden C'mon man! Great looking bike however! Would love to own one!
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻Finalmente un tester che non perde tempo in inutili chiacchiere portando a spasso la moto a 50km/h. Ho visto troppe recensioni rigorosamente a velocità codice, mortificanti. Non dico che bisogna portare la moto in pista ogni volta, ma nemmeno fare la tartaruga perfettina come tanti tuoi colleghi, che. "bla, bla, bla...", e manetta poca.
Currently own a 1989 Moto Guzzi Mille GT 1000 cc that I have had for 20 years. Once took me 120 miles on one cylinder at highway speed when one spark plug wire crapped out on a Sunday morning with no shops open. At almost 70 years old it has gotten too heavy to maneuver in and out of situations. Purchased a 2013 Moto Guzzi V7 Stone at more than 100 pounds less wet weight. Absolutely love it. Will stay with Moto Guzzi for the rest of my riding life. I have owned BMW, Laverda, Ducati, Moto Morini, Triumph, BSA, Zundapp, Indian, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Cagiva and loved them all for different reasons, but the fact that I can physically handle the weight of a bike that will cruise (illegally) at 85-90 mph for as long as I need, looks good, is reliable and affordable and unique, why shop anywhere else?- -Mike Battle
RIP Christian - your work and passion for motorcycles will always be appreciated.
You will be missed Cristian, rest in peace :(
Rest in Peace Christian, thanks for the great videos, Jim (Guzzi V7 silver / green Centenario)
Por que descanse en paz???.... Que le sucedio????????
He died in a motorcycle accident last summer.
@@vinjofin1972 ooohhh, que lastima
Well you're sure not scared to ride it, that's for sure.....loved that little scrape on the left turn in the beginning. Good review, love seeing someone, as we say in the states, "ride it like you stole it". Other reviewers pussyfoot around with it and never wring it's neck like you....Bravo!
This is the best 2021 V7 review on UA-cam. 👍
So my bike isn’t the only one needing x10 attempts to find N. I love it.
Seems like you don't have much experience on the 90's and 00's Italian bikes, but still... a detailed, honest and complete review man! I liked the fact that you went beyond what's stated in the press release and beyond the obvious, referring to important details like riding with a passenger or how stable it is on the highway (should you want to ride it at higher speed). Well done!
I bought my V7 Stone in exact that color last week. Had a few rides now and love it. I agree with most of what you say. Only thing I see a bit different is the suspensions. I come from a Honda Rebel 500 and the Guzzi is a huge upgrade for me when it comes to suspension. Bumps that scared my on the Rebel, especially in turns, seem not even to exist for the Guzzi. Could be something different if you come from another bike like a GS1250 or something like that, but for me the Guzzi is an extremly comfy and stable bike. The problem with the gear indicator is a bit annoying, but you get used to it. It calculates the gear from speed and revs, so sometimes it needs a second or two, to get it right. Not a big deal.
I have an RnineT but I think I agree with you, this Guzzi is the most genuine retro 🇬🇧🏍
It's not retro. It's genuinely old. Think Europe's Harley Davidson.
@@davidbesant lol yeah. Underpowered cult machine. More about image than anything.
Very good review. I just got exactly this model and I love it. You're right about 100% of the things
What a lovely machine! I like it so much!
At 6:22: "There is no gear indicator." 6:42: Shows the gear indicator to proof, that it sometimes shows the wrong gear.
Thank you for your unbiased comments. I just bought one earlier today for delivery in October. The one I test rode was ‘agricultural’ but I loved it. It was full of character but definitely not perfect . Can’t wait to take delivery!! ( my regular bike is a Speed twin which is brilliant 😀)
I agree with you 100 💯.
I bought one recently and it rides like a plush tractor. I absolutely love it.
Damn u! U made me buy my V85TT after your review... Now i will have to get one more Guzzi :(
Same engine as our v85 but 20 hp less?
@@marcjohnson7734 yep
Very good review! And nice line filtering in the infamous Bucharest traffic 😂 great job!
It looks like a low slung bike that may scrape easily in corners. Love those twin pots and the shaft drive. Nice that you don't have to worry about a chain to oil and adjust. I'd buy one for that reason alone. Colour scheme is a bit of a spare parts jumble. Red with that gold eagle like they had on the V50 and 850 would be preferable in my opinion.
The time you most need a gear indicator is when you're stopped at the lights. It would be good to be sure you're in first, but unfortunately the gear position indicator doesn't work with the clutch disengaged. Go figure.
It works as a calculation based on motor and wheel speed. So yeah, not perfect.
Good honest review. I can't make up my mind between the V7 (shaft drive, six gears) or the Street Twin (better fueling, more dealerships). If you could only have one, which would you pick? Thank you.
Same dilemma. Can’t choose.
@@denisg4288 did you make up your mind?
@@alanbriggs7177 Hi - T120 Bonnie and Triumph 900 Scramber! Totally different.
@@alanbriggs7177 both. Speed Twin (the 1200) and the v7. Refined smooth twin power vs rough grumbly character twin that only smooths out when being flogged.
How tall are you? I am 190cm (6,2 foot), wondering if it would fit me.
Lovely looking motorbike. Looks proper.
Shows 4th in 6th? Genuine Italian engineering. I love it, but it needs better pipes to sound perfect.
Agostini slip on's with no baffles sounds awesome.
I love it 🥰
It’s a very beautiful motorcycle 😍😍😍
Great honest review my friend!
Salut! Crezi ca e o motocicleta buna pentru un incepator? Eu am 1,90m e oare ok? Super review, mi-ar placea daca ai face un test si cu noul Triump Street Twin. Intre aceste doua motociclete oscilez.
Salutare. Da, e ok pentru incepator daca esti in zona retro. Din cate stiu, Street Twin nu e disponibil la test.
In niciun caz Street Twin la 1,90m! Eu am 1,93 si am condus ultimii 30.000km un Triumph Scrambler din 2013, de care sunt f. multumit, iar azi am stat pe un V7 Special 2021 si ma gandesc serios daca sa-l aleg la anul in locul lui Kawa W800 2022, pe care pana azi eram aproape convins ca-l iau. Dar Street Twin nu ti-l recomand deloc, la inaltimea ta. Daca vrei neaparat Triumph, cred ca stai mai bine pe un Bonnie decat pe Street Twin.
@@razvanfeier2800 Multumesc de sugestii. O sa ma duc la showroom sa le incerc ca intre timp mi-am luat permisul.
Honest review thanks man👍👍
It's a pretty bike - a work of art. And so is the price - as for a work of art 😕
Very nice ! Speed is in Miles or KM ?
You can switch between them.
Good review ! each time I watch this I realize I don’t want one.
Nice bike though!
Cheers
USA
6:25 no gear indicator? I guess mine is special, because you do have a gear indicator, and a gear change warning.
i haven't ridden it yet but I have heard other people say the throttle kinda feels _snatchy_
I am thinking this could be fixed by messing with the MAP. I think it may be dumping extra fuel when you touch the throttle. Some cars do the same thing to make you feel like you have more "Get up and go" but it's really just annoying..
Guzzi has a new factory map now, fixed a lot of the problems. Check with your dealer.
Classic Guzzi design, but things like the fuelling issues and general poor quality is unacceptable these days, and that's a shame because it's a "want" bike. Great video again .
I test rode one of these bikes a week ago and I have to say that the clutch felt fine to me and I didn't feel that the fuelling/throttle was at all 'snatchy'.
Which general poor quality? I have a V7III since 3 years and had no quality issue so far. Do you maybe talk about Guzzi quality from more than 20 years ago or do you have quality issues with a new Guzzi or do you have no experience with Guzzi and only in your mind they must have quality issues becuause it is a Guzzi?
@@Vincent79Vega I bought one yesterday. The bike is very well built and stands upto close scrutiny. It’s lovely. Thrashing it (in the video) isn’t really what this bike is meant for, it’s not a sports bike and doesn’t even pretend to be.
I used to ride Guzzi's in the 70s and 80s, loved them but no appeal since except maybe the new V85TT.
Put a booster plug on my v85tt sorts the fueling out instantly
0:24 Don't get me wrong, I love R&V and am a subscriber, but why do reviewers (not just R&V) feel the need to thrash the nuts off of every bike they ride? This is not a sports bike.
I agree, but gotta admit that engine sounds impeccable doing those higher rpm flybys though.
"snatchy" or "responsive". Depends on spin/bias. Well he summed it up nicely, "I don't like it". Maybe after another shot of vodka he'd be gushing. If you're interested in a proper review without the slurring, check out Antonio Maeso's videos of the v7 2021. It's in Spanish but close caption in english works.
@@predibhoy2242 I test rode one of these bikes a week ago and I have to say that the clutch felt fine to me and I didn't feel that the fuelling/throttle was at all 'snatchy'.
Regarding the gear indicator, yes the clutch has to be fully engaged to get a reading, but it never actually gave me a false reading.
Oh, and BTW, finding neutral when stationary with the engine off can be tricky on many bikes. He did eventually think to rock the bike jently back and forth in the end though. :D
Best advice would be don't let this review put you off, just go and test ride one for yourself.
how is this bike w/ a pinion?
Off topic, but what is the piano music? I like it
Man the liquid cooled 1200cc Boneville puts out only 60hp, that's a joke! This air cooled 850cc puts out 65hp, that's magic.
Low power output out of large displacement typically means high torque.
And that is the magic difference.
So I'd always choose the high torque engine for a cruiser bike.
@@I-come-from-the-Future And what is high torque for you? 80Nm? of a 1200cc WATERCOOLED engine? Triumph T120 puts out only 7Nm more, and that for nearly extra 400cc. I get it its lower down the rev range, nowhere near anything to justify the extra 4k price tax.
By comparison, V7 puts out 73Nm out of a real aircooled pushrod engine that delivers the power through a shaft drive.
Objectively speaking v7 is the better bike. shaft drive, air cooled, bigger tang(higher range), better electronics, cheaper/easier to maintain, arguably better build quality, 4k cheaper and is made in Italy.
@@ampm9771 You need to compare the same build versions:
2021: T120 105 Nm at 3,100 Min-1 vs. V7 73 Nm at 5,000 Min-1.
Pre 2021 versions: T120 80 NM vs V7 60 Nm.
I rode the older V7 and it sucked. I actually own the older Street Twin with 80 Nm and that's a world apart.
@@I-come-from-the-Future I hear what you say. Still, I stand by what I say. V7 was 750 engine which was based on the older design which only delivered what was expected. 2021 V7 is based on the newer design 850cc engine with titanium valves. Before everything, we have to understand that 73Nm out of an aircooled engine at 5000rpm (which around 90% is already available at 300rpm) is an excellent job and is already beating any other bike in class in terms of power/torque for the money and other excellent features it offers. Don't forget that the figures of the 2021 V7 could have been higher since it's the same engine as V85tt.
2021 T120 on the other hand is a total disappointment, especially considering its 15k price tag and lower power figures.
1200HT bonneville is 87hp. 1200HP is 98 hp. Both torquey AF. Don't know what are you talking about.
Thumbs up for the intro 🤣
Great bike except the digital dash...
Character, man - it's called character. Also, not a "retro", it's the same damn bike since forever with grudgingly Italian updates...!
Character is just an excuse for people to sweettalk the shortcoming of a bike. Its not a living thing so it cannot have a character. Rubishtalk.
@@vinjofin1972 Yeah thats probably why 1967 mustangs are selling for more then their modern versions. Honestly if you are to dense to grasp what character means, please do not comment, you will make yourself look like a fool. And by the way i would take a 1967 mustang over a modern anytime, even with its shortcomings.
@@davids3282 People who think their machines have character are the fools. They romantesize their machines. Its just a bunch of metall and wires. And they are willing to pay a lot for it. So who are the fools.
@@vinjofin1972 Found this book you might find interesting.
Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance.
You might enjoy it. 🤔
@@vinjofin1972 do you ride bikes at all? Cause they don't make any sense to ride it except possibly for commuting to work in the city, but scooters are better at that. You have to romanticize motorcycles to ride them because strictly objectively they're stupid and useless.
they were founded in Genoa? I thought they were founded in Mandello del Lario? Theyve been making the bikes there since they started in 1921. In the words of Joe Biden C'mon man! Great looking bike however! Would love to own one!
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻Finalmente un tester che non perde tempo in inutili chiacchiere portando a spasso la moto a 50km/h.
Ho visto troppe recensioni rigorosamente a velocità codice, mortificanti. Non dico che bisogna portare la moto in pista ogni volta, ma nemmeno fare la tartaruga perfettina come tanti tuoi colleghi, che. "bla, bla, bla...", e manetta poca.
Tempted, but I got trust issues …
Good job you didn’t ride bike’s in the 70s.
You should have said it was junk at the start of the video..
First view 👌
Hello from France. Except the engine, this byke look like an horrible old triumph !