NEI tripped me out for the longest time. It can be demonstrated pretty clearly like this: put a bunch of conditional trigs on a track (track 1). copy the trigs onto the next track (2), but now change all of the conditions to NEI. Whenever one of the conditional trigs happens on track 1 it will also happen on 2. Vice versa for ~NEI (track 2 gets out of the way of track 1).
My understanding is that NEI isn't saying don't play when the neighbour ISN'T playing, its saying don't play when the neighbour WASN'T JUST playing - its analysing the trig before not the trig it's on.
I’m so glad you made this one. Other than the deterministic and probabilistic I could not wrap my head around it. This kind of opens up a whole new world. Thanks very much.
yes! should have mentioned that in the video; trigless locks(dim green)/trigless trigs (bright green, which retrigger fx envelopes and lfos) can have trigger conditions on them as well. incredibly useful
thanks for another fun video ... re NEI... NEI is true, when the last trig condition on the neighbour was true.... the caveat is... if there are no trig conditions on the neighbour track, then it will always be false (since no cond trig fired on that track)
@@alienanxiety pretty much same as you use PRE for, so most commonly ^NEI is used to thin out a track , when the other has introduced new elements. Also, let’s remember TC are great for all trig types eg I often use conditional trigless trigs to send to verb or delay , so then use ^NEI to duck a neighbour track ( again for space)
Cool vid! Question: if you only use one page (16 steps) of the pattern, and your highest ratio is "X of 4", couldn't that be achieved by programming 64 steps instead? Actually, I guess the 3:3 condition throws a wrench into my thoughts, but yeah, I would think they greater power is in x of 6 or x of 7, etc.
of course! but when you consider that you can have the x of 4 on each page of that four bar pattern, it just gets exponentially more powerful, no? my point near the end was that you can take what i did for the kick drum, and slightly modify that across four pages, and you’d have a really interesting, evolving pattern from very little work at the outset. i hope that makes sense-appreciate you engaging with the techniques critically, that’s how we learn and get better
How do you reset the p locks to default after tweaking I can’t get it to play default trigs on default preset patterns so sounds all jumbled when I move cross fader I assume it’s all the trigs playing at once and I can’t reset it
NEI tripped me out for the longest time. It can be demonstrated pretty clearly like this: put a bunch of conditional trigs on a track (track 1). copy the trigs onto the next track (2), but now change all of the conditions to NEI. Whenever one of the conditional trigs happens on track 1 it will also happen on 2. Vice versa for ~NEI (track 2 gets out of the way of track 1).
Thank you!!!
The cool thing about the 1st trig condition is that you can re-arm it by pressing record and something else (I forgot what exactly)
this tutorial is so concise and clear. thank you man, you've saved me so much time
1:30 - I don’t crack the manual open either. And please don’t call me Shirley.
My understanding is that NEI isn't saying don't play when the neighbour ISN'T playing, its saying don't play when the neighbour WASN'T JUST playing - its analysing the trig before not the trig it's on.
1:31 Don't call me Shirley! ; P Good stuff as usual Dan - keep it coming.
I’m so glad you made this one. Other than the deterministic and probabilistic I could not wrap my head around it. This kind of opens up a whole new world. Thanks very much.
Also. Does this apply to trigless locks/or trigs? Unsure which is which but…
yes! should have mentioned that in the video; trigless locks(dim green)/trigless trigs (bright green, which retrigger fx envelopes and lfos) can have trigger conditions on them as well. incredibly useful
thanks for another fun video ... re NEI...
NEI is true, when the last trig condition on the neighbour was true....
the caveat is... if there are no trig conditions on the neighbour track, then it will always be false (since no cond trig fired on that track)
Wachoo talkin' 'bout, Willis? I know that makes sense, but it's dementing me. Can you site a practical use for it?
@@alienanxiety pretty much same as you use PRE for, so most commonly ^NEI is used to thin out a track , when the other has introduced new elements.
Also, let’s remember TC are great for all trig types eg I often use conditional trigless trigs to send to verb or delay , so then use ^NEI to duck a neighbour track ( again for space)
octadad makes my toes sweat
I dont have an octatrack, but wouldn’t negative neighbor only play when the neighbor *is* playing?
Excellent.
Hi ! Thanks for this superclear tutorial. Do conditions work with triggless trigs too?
that intro jam was the shit!
Dude, you'r funny. Good stuff.
This may be too basic but a rundown on the filters would be great. They’re a little hard to use.
thanks for the awesome vids Octadad! What kind of mic/interface are you using? Do you like it? annnd please keep the awesome vids coming!!
Love the Dan house! Gimme more
nice drum loop !
Great overview - thanks! What was in side the bag behind your left shoulder? It kept moving and I kept waiting for something to jump out.
Thank you! :)
Cool vid! Question: if you only use one page (16 steps) of the pattern, and your highest ratio is "X of 4", couldn't that be achieved by programming 64 steps instead? Actually, I guess the 3:3 condition throws a wrench into my thoughts, but yeah, I would think they greater power is in x of 6 or x of 7, etc.
"X of 4" could also be useful if your pattern is already 64 steps.
of course! but when you consider that you can have the x of 4 on each page of that four bar pattern, it just gets exponentially more powerful, no? my point near the end was that you can take what i did for the kick drum, and slightly modify that across four pages, and you’d have a really interesting, evolving pattern from very little work at the outset. i hope that makes sense-appreciate you engaging with the techniques critically, that’s how we learn and get better
How do you reset the p locks to default after tweaking I can’t get it to play default trigs on default preset patterns so sounds all jumbled when I move cross fader I assume it’s all the trigs playing at once and I can’t reset it
Click on encoder
I'm a wanna be octachad.