How EA Killed The Sims Franchise... honest reaction
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2023
- Did EA kill the Sims franchise? I react to a video essay discussing these points in detail.
Original video • How EA Killed the Sims...
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I'm 1 million percent honest when I say I will absolutely not be getting TS5. I don't care how amazing or 💩 it is, I'm done supporting EA.
Same ill be sticking to paralives and lby
@@tarekbouwmeesterthose are much worse tho, I'd say stick to what you have of sims 4 and then get sims 5 3 years post launch so you have all the updates and a bundle on sale.
@@GameoftheYear-fx4mq I don't think they are worse, I mean they do not have EA cash so they are not going to be as pretty but, in the case of LBY, It is made with passion from a past developer of the Sims. It is going to have SO many features and I think be more grown up. Of course I would NEVER tell anyone what they should play or try but I think it is probably going to be well worth a look at least and is looking to ship with so much content that are expansions in Sims4. I totally get the graphic thing because I love pretty games, but LBY and paralives look in depth and TBH some healthy competition would do EA the world of good!
@@GameoftheYear-fx4mqSims 4 already more than 10 years old and they didn't get any better, so i don't think Sims 5 Will be in 3 years. I don't know about you, but nothing worse than investing $1000 for a 10 years old empty game
Nah I definitely will
Not only did EA kill the sims franchise, but there’s a good chunk of sims players that have helped. On a video reviewing the horse “expansion” someone posted a comment about unicorns not being included (amongst SO many other things that could’ve been done & were included in previous games) & another person commented, saying “at least they gave us the option to dress them up as unicorns”. There are players that are completely satisfied with the dumbed down, watered down, lacking content.
It makes me think that those commenters are the ones who have only ever played S4 and none of the earlier games which did include so many of S4’s missing features
That is the problem. We can complain about EA as much as we want. The players bear a great deal of the blame for the situation because they allow themselves to be milked so shamelessly by EA.
100% agree, and sadly, it's not just commenters. Over the last few days I've been getting so many videos and shorts titled "We just got an AWESOME FREE UPDATE" like duh, of course it's free, it's a base game update, and it's... a door and a couple bags?!? I completely understand struggling with that balance when video making is your livelihood, but like.. don't be dishonest. I'm forever grateful for honest reviews that don't hold back lol.
It's low expectations. I played since TS1 and I know it's OBVIOUS how much of a sht game TS4 is.
And I wasn't expecting to see unicorns in the horse ranch pack. Let's be honest. They would've screwed it up anyway. We would have gotten aliens in unicorn form. A completely useless occult there for aesthetics only. I rather they not play with us and I'm fine with simple clothing. It could've been much worse.
YES
The fact that the MAJORITY of players don't play without mods or cheating speaks volumes on the quality of the game and content they have given us. The game barely even works half the time. We are still dealing with the same errors and broken content they release and never fix! The loyal player base are the ones developing mods to fix their damn game.
exactly i cant get no satisfaction playing if i even go play but by mods i like to build its to the point dont even wanna go do that anymore they ruined it
Now I know how Bethesda fans feel.
I find it ridiculous that burglars were in every single game until the Sims 4 and now if you want to even see a police officer you have to purchase the get to work DLC. Not to mention police cars don't even exist, and fire trucks don't exist, and firefighters were not even out of the game until after Sims 4 was released
I feel like they have kidnapped my favorite game and now they are prostituting it until they are ruining it.
😂
You are spot on
Making it a $2 304💀
Thanks for putting my feelings into words
accurate
The High School Pack was when I finally had enough. When I saw my sims just sit and look at the teacher at the classroom I could not believe that someone would design that and that people playing it would think that was good. It opened my eyes and now I see every pack and content for what they are.
Yeah i experienced the same thing in Growing together like you teaching your kid to ride a bike just by looking and reacting to them was just disappointing
The last pack I got was Growing Together. I haven’t played it fully yet. I believe I am done buying and just actually trying to play with my game.
I haven’t even played through a lot of packs so I’m trying to catch up.
I just can’t wait for MORE simulation games. I am ready for Paralives & LBY.
I absolutely loved playing ACNH!
This is why I 🏴☠️
Me too honestly I have the Game Pass and there's a free Sims 3 starter pack + and free Get to Work but I'm to lazy to download those
The last thing I bought was snowy escape I will never buy another thing for the sims for just not worth it all the newer packs just use old recycled content from older packs
With regards to the build mode, all I'll say is that Sims 4 just got editable ceilings in 2023, something that was already available since the Sims 2. It's inconceivable that this game is sometimes referred to as the most advanced, when it is, in fact, a complete regression.
I don't remember ceiling paint in Sims 2, it's was a feature from a specific pack ?
@@augusto7681they came with apartment life and the pack that come after but I’m not sure if it’s available with just an update
@@augusto7681 It's a base game feature in both 2 and 3. You just need to angle the camera to see the ceiling and paint it the same way you would the floor.
@@augusto7681 yes it came with Apartment Life. I play Super Collection on Mac and the feature isn’t there because it excludes AL
@@kenzaplenty I think thats the only expansion I didn't bought back then.
The most insane thing to me is the price of expansion. 40 usd is almost a whole new big title game.
Remove all features that is base game and just imagine playing lets say ONLY horse ranch. You wouldn’t have any careers, not enough clothes for each category for all life stages (so naked sims). And in fact.. no sims either, just a horse you cant control. Would you pay 40usd for that new game title.
Maybe if you’re buying it instead of paying for proper childcare and activities to keep your kids away from you all summer? $40 is cheap for four or five days of that. Or if you were trained on the massive prices of tiny Lego sets as a child? I feel like a lot of the ways we buy things for children is teaching too much tolerance for exploitative pricing. Like a lot of young people I speak with don’t even agree it is possible to exploit consumers because they can just not buy things. This attitude is the road to hell
@@joyfulgirl91honestly Lego has better replayability than Sims 4
@@joyfulgirl91Bruh no one said anything about kids?
@@joyfulgirl91like did you accidentally reply to the wrong comment or do you just not know how to read
@@alybot2.059 no I am offering shopping for kids as an explanation for why the game is so anti consumer, since EA has focused a lot on being child friendly and marketing to kids
All I have to say is I honestly can't play the Sims 4 without mods
Yes I played with mods and that made for ex restaurants work for me
Guys do you know how I can have mods while having pirated the DLC’S?? 😭 They’re too damn expensive so I got them for free, but I’m afraid I’ll break the game if I download mods
@@danielliammellywood3139you won't break it. I torrented the game nd all the packs and I use mods with no issues
@@danielliammellywood3139 I play with pirated DLCs and mods and it works fine for me. I have lots of CC as well as script mods like MCCC. It might depend on what you used to pirate the DLCs, it you used the Anadius method then you should be fine. Your mods should show up in both the cracked game and the legit game along with all of your other totally legally obtained content.
@danielliammellywood3139 You can download the mods, and they work fine even on pirated DLCs. Don't worry 😊
Sorry for the long comment ahead, but I think EA is masking how popular The Sims 4 is. They don't disclose sales figures, so it's hard to gauge, but here are some things that make me think that TS4 isn't doing as well as they portray:
- Journey to Batuu media play, remember the "glitch" where the pack was said to be necessary for Cats and dogs to work in the origins/ea app? Its release removed the game from UA-cam's trending page, making it harder for them to reach new people. Their next release didn't trend either.
- They released the base game for free. EA did it because they weren't selling it anymore and needed a large influx of new players for their shareholders (The Sims 3 isn't free, and their DLCs rarely go on sale). That is why, at the last fiscal report, they only mentioned player network increase for The Sims 4 and not net bookings (total revenue - physical and digital)
- TS4's increasing sales of new/recent DLCs are probably to recoup losses in their projected sales. It might mean that the new player influx with the BG going free didn't work as well as they intended. Just a few became real consumers who look to buy more content. They did the same with My First Pet's stuff.
- EA started to pay for ads to promote the pack. With several celebrities like Millie Bobby Brown, kpop-idols, etc. When has EA needed to do that to that extent for their established franchise?
Why are they doing that? They were in a kind of race with blizzard for Microsoft, but they lost. They have had a rough couple of years. The lack of FIFA money, loot boxes being prohibited/restricted in several countries, Battlefield 2042 bad release, anthem's failure, loss of Star War money, several lay-offs timed just right for the fiscal reports to project growth due to cut costs, and now their EA app is alienating every player base they have.
All of that is bad publicity, increasing their lack of good reputation and hurting their brand trust, which makes shareholders scared and want to jump ship and sell while the price is still high. Not that I think they aren't a lucrative company, but they certainly haven't a big growth perspective for the near future for anyone paying attention. And they need to salvage that till their next cycle of game releases, which seems to be around 2025.
Oh that is so good. Like this analysis you made is SO GOOD AND INTERESTING
Wow thank you for this comment it really is an insight on the business side of things 🤔
I would also want to jump ship tbh
Also: the refusal to have sims 2 available for purchase and keeping sims 3 nearly ALWAYS at full price. They’re trying to force people into playing the sims 4 because it’s a free base game and there’s almost always a sale going on.
something i learned over the years: you can't trust anything digital to ever be "yours", cause at the end of the day some random suits (who you'd probably hate as people if you ever met them) own everything and can ruin it in one second. sometimes they do it to satisfy shareholders, sometimes there's political goals, depends. but the point is don't get attached to anything digital. except old games, those are gold.
The ”success” of sims 4 is skewed cause it was also the most accessible version. Sims 3 you largely had to buy in stores, while sims has always been ”online” focused and targeting the casual PC (though it still runs shit on bad PCs)
I played the sims 3 on Xbox 360. We rented it at a movie store, and I became obsessed. Got sims 4 on console (it was fun, but meh). Now I have both on desktop. Sims 4 is definitely superior in looks, but sims 3 is superior in everything else.
Sims 3 console is iconic! I just hate the build/buy limit. But I agree it is superior in almost every way
Sims 3 on Xbox was so good ngl. And we didn’t have DLC, it was two separate games: The Sims 3 and The Sims 3 Pets. Both were brilliant and I played them for hours on end, to the point where every time I broke a disk I’d go out and buy another one!
@rinkagamine1621 yes! Sims 3 pets was just something else. To actually have horses, dogs cats and others in one pack. Aww, the good old days
I don’t even think Sims 4 is that superior to 3 in much. Maybe CAS and a few build/buy features. But the actual world of Sims 3 and gameplay is way better. It’s harder because of some of the tools being a tad different, but you can build as good a house in Sims 3 as you can in Sims 4. And the personalities of Sims are way more dynamic in 3. The Sims just aren’t as cute 😂. But I’ll take interesting over cute any day.
Hate to burst your bubble ... but TS3 is an EA creation. Maxis stepped down from producing Sims games and EA officially took over starting with TS3. And the outrage was loud! People were guaranteeing that TS3 would be a flop. And it wasn't.
This is why I am worried about Sims 5. Its not enough to make the game look pretty, it has to keep people interested too. Sims 4 sims are the most boring of all the sims in the franchise, but boy do they look good!(with cc and mods of course)
we couldn't play with all the sims 3 packs, we had to pick which ones to play.
I agree, and I wouldn’t play without mods. Mods are the only things that make Sims 4 worthwhile.
His absolutely unhinged laughter gets me every time. 😂
I know right aHAhAhAhHHA
It's so random, but needed 😂😂
I'm only here for his laughter 😂
Sadly we ol' time simmers will have to let this franchise go because EA has no plans in changing for the better. The Sims franchise has turned into a cash cow and Sims 5 will make the situation worse. I'm optimistic to see other game companies develop new and better life simulations that can create competition, because at the moment EA holds a nasty monopoly. I'm ready to embrace a new life simulation game.
I have high hopes for life by you
You are spot on about the cultish thing. I've seen many times where people try to shut up people who complain about lackluster packs or give the game deserved criticism. Many who criticize the game have played at least TS3 and so know what EA is capable of. Yet, they're constantly shut down by the EA worshippers. I can't see the game getting any better with this attitude in the community continuing.
Remember the old launch screen that grayed out the packs you didn't own? So many people said they purchased packs just to fill in those grayed out pack symbols. That is very cult like. Literally just press play! And they disappear!! I never understood that mentality.
Or Sims 2, with all the packs (that were actually worth the money). In high School I'd spend hours of my entire weekend just playing the Sims 2. It had that much gameplay and exploring etc... now I play Sims 4, every few months if I have spare time. I don't feel a connection to my saves on the same level as before. I love them, don't get me wrong but its definitely not the same feel. Also I have Sims 4 on PC and Console, so it's not for a lack of trying 🤦🏽♀️
People do this with Pokémon too. The last game literally had people falling through the map and the game running so badly it looked like a slideshow, yet you’d get CRUCIFIED if you said anything critical about it when those games came out. People are so weird for worshipping corporations that hate them.
Sims 2 is currently experiencing somewhat of a resurgence, I feel like. I've seen so many people who started with TS4 and are now trying TS2 and actually like it MORE than 4. So it's not just nostalgia. From a developer's point of view, that should be embarrassing.
Sims 2 is amazing. I'm an old timer and when the Sims 4 came out I wondered if the game was bad or if maybe I was just too old to enjoy the Sims anymore. Well, let's just say I spent the entire weekend playing the Sims 2 and only stopped because I'm an adult and I need to work. The Sims 4 stinks 100%
Whwre can i get the sims 2?!?! I miss It sooo much
@@amirasanchez2272there are tutorials online
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@@amirasanchez2272 oldgames website
I’m 41 and have been a die hard simmer for 20 years! I have been playing since the beginning. I remember requesting off of work when seasons and generations for sims 3 came out because I needed a full, uninterrupted day to play and explore. The sims 4 has been so disappointing, but it’s weird, I still buy every single pack even though I know it’s going to be mediocre! It’s like a sickness. There were some really good points made in this video, I still feel on the fence about life by you and paralives. I can’t imagine any other game replacing my love for the sims! Very curious about TS5. I feel like I need a support group 😂
same. 😢
Yep!
I think the sickness you're talking about is 'hope.'
- That we hope that one day TS4 will be the successor that TS3 deserved. But it won't happen. TS4 is a dead empty shell compared to the rest of the franchise. Even TS Medieval has more gameplay and TS spirit than TS4 will ever have.
I played TS1 back when it came out, and I've loved the franchise ever since, but TS4 is not a real Sims game. It's like an impostor wearing a Sims mask.
It has NO Sims feel to it; there's none of that spark, that weird intangible fluff and spirit, and it definitely does NOT have the trademark dark humour and absurdity that the entire franchise was based upon. It has nothing. It's like a really bad adaptation of a beloved book.
You could've done a lot with the grand you wasted on TS4 😅
I love that you took off work for Sims releases... someone say Girlboss 👀
I don't like how The Sims 3 used to go on sale on Steam a lot and was pretty cheap, but EA raised the price & never put it on sale again; probably after they realized a small resurgence of dissatisfied Sims 4 players discovering & moving to Sims 3. Basically milking players to the max.
I'm too lazy to do the math, but it'd be funny if full-priced Sims 3 with all DLCs ended up being cheaper than Sims 4 with all DLCs.
It's clearly already the case. Even if you buy the game full price on Steam (and you can have it for less on other platforms like Instant Gaming), you'll only pay $400 for the game and all the DLCs with is 40% of the price of the Sims 4.
also said why they wont sell the sims 2, they put it for free for 2 weeks luckily thats when I got it. than ditched it some people said they lost the sims 2 but if they did who owns it now? and if thats the case why wouldnt they want to sell it for money that they would get
Sims 3 does still go on sale on steam! Was too on the last spring sale, EPs and stuff packs included! I bought the whole game with everything included for 70€ around last year.. I suggest to keep an eye on it though, steam is really great for that, sims 4 is a money grabber💀
@@Ilivepuppyssims 2 is now abandonware.. means that they don’t sell it anymore but they do still have the copyright.
But to make it more simple they simply don’t care about sims 2 any longer to keep selling it, they simply don’t want to be bothered. They know they wouldn’t make as much profit as 4 because as much as it’s loved, it’s a 2004 game. They want to boost their beloved sims 4💀
People can still get the sims 2 game and all its contents by reselling or “illicitly”, but no one actually cares how you get the game, there’s no legal repercussions since it’s really considered as abandoned.
@@stocazzo9605 just weird like sims 2 could be bought and made money as most people would rather buy it than risk viruses with getting free versions. It's not like having it on their site cost money...does it? I hope they dont do the same with sims 3 its the only sims game I play and I am sure its still ranking in money (not as much as sims 4 though)
I switched back to the sims 3. I couldn’t deal with the lag anymore with the sims 4. I’m having so much fun!
It's funny because it was Sims 3 that used to be known as the laggy Sims game. However EA have introduced so many bugs in Sims 4 that causes it to lag. Sometimes exiting build mode brings my frame rate to literally single-digits. Sometimes a certain interaction will cause some kind of chain-reaction that turns everything into a slideshow. E.g. one of my sims leveled up Logic and suddenly the game ran at like 10 fps. Sometimes entering the Options menu and then returning to the game fixes it, but sometimes you have to restart the entire game. I have an 8-core Ryzen 3800X, 32 GB of RAM and an RTX 3060 TI, not high-end by today's standards but there's no reason it should struggle with a 9 year old game.
I downloaded the mods that fix some issues with TS3 and it ran almost perfectly.
Sims 3 is still laggy let's be honest here. The only way you can ran it decent is if you don't install island paradise.
@@stanmarsh4566 I don’t have that expansion pack so mine runs so smooth compared to my sims 4.
@@Seawitch555 That's probably why runs better for you, the only reason I have Island paradise is because of mermaids. Other than that I can live without it.
Rachel’s excitement when she said ✨dishwashers✨ will forever live in my memory
sims 3 is such a good game and the aesthetics can be overcome if you add in mods (which is easy to do and the sims 4 requires mods to be fun anyways). there’s so many active moders still and if you download a new skin and some alpha cc and even the lazyduchess smooth patch then the game becomes almost completely updated for 2023
Ts3 was always SO INCREDIBLY LAGGY even when i had only the base game installed on a high end computer. On top of that the sims are so ridiculously pudding face i just couldnt do it.
I remember when I was in middle school I’d go to CD store every single day after classes to look if another sims 1 dlc came out yet. It was like a part of a routine. There was no internet back then. And every morning on our way to art school me and my mate would discuss every single thing we discover in the game. She would make stuff up and I believed it, trying to make it happen in my game 😂 but it was so much fun, the game was so mysterious, it felt like anything could happen there. I remember my excitement when my dad agreed to buy me TS2. God, I was so addicted. I’d play day and night nonstop. When TS3 came out I stopped myself from playing. Otherwise, I knew I wouldn’t get anything done in my life. Oh, how times have changed.
Edit: finished the video. I think for many people it’s nostalgia. Yes, it’s not perfect or not even good now, but it still the sims. We know the spirit of TS1 is not there anymore, but until it has “sims” name on it people would play it.
But u never regret a minute of those time u spent ❤
I think sometimes players who have only ever played 4 or even 3 and 4 don't really get how mind-blowing and revolutionary the game really was when it first came out, or especially when Sims 2 came out, because there were SO many new features. I absolutely loved TS1 (and I had NO expansions, years later I got the vacation one but that was it) but I remember when I finally got TS2 and I'd just sit there and watch my Sims lol. I played on speed 1 exclusively because there was *so much* to watch. All their little interactions and how many possibilities there were really made it feel like there were infinite possibilities.
And I agree with you, most of it really is nostalgia. Oh how I wish they'd make TS1 and 2 available to play again😭😭
I miss that "mysterious" feeling so much. In older Sims games especially 1 and 2, it felt like there's more yet to explore and parts to discover.
I remember thinking about what's beyond the lot in Sims 1 Hollywood, or what I could do next time in Sims 1 Vacation, or trying to raised my Sims' cooking skill so that I could get an invite for the cooking secret society in Sims 2 and later join cooking competition there.
Or even discovering tombs & exclusive items that can only be bought in Sims 3 World Adventures: like shower in a can, wine making machine, and fortune cookie machine.
What choice do you have if you want to play a sandbox life sim game? Like, what real choice, because a game like animal crossing is really not similar in any way. Competition is what is needed
@@joyfulgirl91 good point, I agree. There is nothing like it yet
Seeing how Baldur’s Gate 3 came out, this whole situation with EA and The Sims feels even worse.
Absolutely. I have Baldurs Gate, and I'm like 4 updates each fixing 1000 bugs a piece and visuals!? The 5th update broke the game and OVERNIGHT they fixed everything then took another day to fix their update which fixed another 1000 bugs. The now are on the "first big update."
When I say I'm genuinely SAD Sims could never, I mean that. What... We get a "bug fix" each month only tackling 15-20 bugs and often those fixes don't fix anything.
Makes you want to cry!
I started to play sims 16 years ago. And started with sims 2, was witness to the release of sims 3 (which was mind-blowing back then) and have been playing sims 4 since 2014. And the game clearly lacks the typical sims euphoria or character. It is even nearly after 10 years still plain in comparison to the past sims generations. 😢 But I've got high hopes for paralives.
Check out life by you too if you’re looking for other life sims
I’m betting on life by you
Rob Humble save us
@@sabinajoh I feel like they need to revamp the style A LOT for it to make it. It currently looks like a game from 2010 trying to utilize good graphics and it just doesn't work. I feel like down tuning the "realistic" look like Paralives is doing is the best for processing and allows for more focus on actual game play.
@@thecreatedvoid117 While I think the kind of "hand-drawn graphic novel" look of Paralives is lovely, I am actually hoping LBY keeps a more realistic look - I'm one of those apparently few who really loved the way the Sims 3 worlds looked (and yes, the Sims too, if you took the time to really fine tune them) and always felt the Sims 4 cartoon aesthetic was like a punch in the stomach. I just hope that LBY can keep the realism but loose the stiffness, especially when it comes to facial expressions. Right now they look less like game characters and more like marionettes, but I think improving the animations could make them great. :)
@@Ikwigsjoyful hey and that’s cool! I mean there are plenty of people that like a style similar to alpha CC. I just know that style, overall, is much harder to get run and allow for PCs to run well due to lighting, shadows, etc.
I’m not a huge fan of the over cartoonish style either, but also not the opposition to it end. Somewhere in the middle I guess?
If we could somehow get an art style like (I know this is a weird comparison) DAI, that would be pretty dope ngl
I loved Sims 2 as a kid and played it again recently. The amount of soul put into this game honestly shocked me... You can tell the game is truly the creative expression of those who worked on it. Not sure what's up with that and why Sims 4 doesn't feel the same 😢
I remember EA having this tagline that says "challenge everything". They certainly aren't anymore.
Also TS4 removed the autoroof feature, so they don't exactly have advanced building features when they remove one feature that's from the previous games.
I genuinely miss the sims 3 so much. I miss the original lots, going to the park and socializing, taking my pregnant sims to the spa, getting robbed and freaking out, going shopping and cooking. I used to have an alarm to stop playing cause I could literally spend 12 hours sitting there🤭😭I think I'm going back
I've been playing the sims since the beginning. The sims 3 is the best. Yes the graphics are not as pretty as TS4.
Yeah... I played the TS3 "World adventures" for the first time recently, I already had sooo much fun and it's been hours of gameplay, with only one DLC.
@Ludimie that one was one of my favorites.
PS: you don't have to wait for sales with the Sims 3... There's plenty of ways to get it if you have a VPN 🙃
Can u get the store content aswell?
ooh if so that i might just do thattt 😏😏@@Catherine99376
I have Sims3 that my daughter "found" for me but it now appears in my Steam Account and crashes whenever I try to play. I wondered if it was registering as not from EA and was being sabotaged any ideas?xxx
I actually bought the whole collection from Steam with only £40, granted, I already had the base game at that point so it wasn't the best bargain, but I would stick around steams and check them out from time to time if you couldn't bother with working around fake websites and risking malware, sim 4 on the other hand--worth every pirating, too bad the site I used got shut down☠
@@Catherine99376yes, but i remember it was pretty complicated and buggy, but that's probably a given
I honestly haven't bought anything Since 4 related since the Werewolves pack. I was so disappointed in the small world. I decided then that unless EA/Maxis steps up their quality over quantity and lazy implementation policies, and no more primarily set dressing worlds, etc., I wouldn't buy anything else. I have stood by that decision. For a short while I was going to wait for the Sims 5, but then I thought, "Why would I give EA/Maxis any more of my hard earned money. There is some real competition coming (LBY, Paralives, etc.) and I have decided to wait for those (viewing gameplay videos on UA-cam prior to purchasing of course). Thanks for another awesome and honest critique of the game!
i looked at my Werewolf world yesterday, there are zero sims living there now. Such a small world, and no townies want to live there. Almost as bad as Realm Of Magic world, it was so pathetic.
There’s 3 types of sims 4 players
1. EA defenders
2. Hates EA but still supports them by buying every pack
3. Legitimately hates EA and refuses to support
I fall into camp 3. The last pack I bought was Growing Together because honestly the infants were boring without milestones and the features and animations around infants is great in that pack. But it should have never been a pack. It should have been a base game update.
So now I just refuse to buy anything else from EA. I got 6 more months til LBY releases so I'm waiting on that.
@@Theescapist_87 the last pack I bought was werewolves (many packs before that were not bought by me), but now…..🏴☠️
Also camp 3 I quit a long time ago tho, around seasons release if I remember correctly now I stick to the Sims 2 and 3
I only ever bought the base game of the sims 3 and the sims 4 then learned how to pirate the DLCs lmao (been doing that since 2012)
As a console player, the reason why I buy all the packs is because basegame is SO SHIT that I feel I need to buy more content in order to keep it interesting. I had The Sims 3 on console and also played The Sims 3 on my friend’s computer. Both were entirely different games, but even with my plain old Sims 3 on the console (which was only semi open world by the way) I would still play it for HOURS. 😢 Same with my friend’s PC version. The Sims 3 basegame was so good that the expansions were bonus content.
Honestly I guarantee it’s gonna be mostly console players that contribute to those DLC sales because we feel like the game is shit without it. Cause I tell you now if I had a computer and could play on there all I’d have is CC and mods because let’s face it the modding community is better than EA itself at this point. But without the ability to download mods console players have to settle for the shit EA are putting out there.
You do see the irony, though? The game is more expensive than a pc that can run LBY.
And wait for ts5. It will make you nostalgic about what a bargain ts4 has been.
You know you could just get and play Sims 3. You don’t have to play Sims 4 or buy the DLC. You prob could have had all of Sims 3 on Steam at this point.
At this point if Paralives or some other life sim adds support for .package files I’m SPRINTING over to that one and converting all my cc
sadly .package is a sims 4 file type for only sims 4 and is owned by ea so they cant
LBY is going to have their own tools and you can pretty much change everything anyway. I am sure there will be a way to mod paralives. But I don’t like to think about modding til I see and play with the game as is.
But Sims things don’t even transfer between game generations, let alone to a whole new game. It will be a fresh start when the new games land.
I was one of the ones who had only played sims 4, i started to get into video games right as the sims 4 came out, so for 7.5 years all i knew was the sims 4.
a year and a half ago I downloaded the sims 3, and while I haven't ventured into any of the earlier games, I have now fallen for the sims 3 and bought every expansion LOL. I can't even remember the last time I launched the sims 4.
Sims 4 may be the prettiest, but compared to the (at least the sims 3) earlier games its got like half the gameplay and entertainment, if not even less. PLEASE sims 4 players, try to see past the graphics for a minute and try out an earlier game, I promise once you get into it you don't even notice the graphics.
I also don’t think many people talk about this when this kind of convo comes up, but a lot of the base game items, those disgusting cheapo counters for example, are just downright ugly? i feel like EA will purposely make base game build mode/CAS items ugly so that you’re incentivized into buying packs. Along with that, locking occult sims behind packs is a cheap way of making people who are more creative or experimental with their gameplay have to pay to play how they want.
I have been with the Sims since day one. Thanks to Will Wright and the awesome team at Maxis it's been fun. But after EA bought Maxis things have been slowly going downhill with the Sims. It's turned into a cash-and-grab and leaving the players to fix the game themselves with second-party Mods. The sad thing is we continue to buy these untested packs and EA is laughing all the way to the bank leaving players stranded.
I did saw there is a silver light in the cloud. The sims fanbase is starting to make their own games inspired by the sims.
I’d say this is sorta not true, regarding Ea buying maxis. EA bought maxis in 1997, even before the first sims game released. The developers would eventually change and the direction changed with that.
I would say that EA just know how to go with the flow and with the latest decades-long trend of "graphics bad = game bad", which is absolutely no excuse. But, until the competition steps up, EA will get away with all this bs, sadly
LBY and Paralives are going to appeal to longtime players, especially those of us who have played all generations. Currently I believe that TS5 will be completely stripped and any quality furnishings will be behind paywalls (including some very important items like a fire alarm). I will most likely download it but I will be damned if I pay more than $50 total for things that should be base game. Unless the gameplay itself is amazing, I don't intend to spend a cent.
And well, my game play is amazing in TS4 only because I do have all the packs (excluding Batuu) and a very good imagination. But I post TS2 videos as well as TS4 videos and it's funny how people who've never played TS2 are asking where they can find it.
I have base game of TS4 and a few mods. And no packs. I am thinking about maybe growing together and parenthood. But I am enjoying the game just fine without them tbh. I want Eco lifestyle. But I don’t feel like I need the packs let alone all of them to play the game. It might help that I had no interest in the game at launch and so haven’t been playing it through the bad early years. None of the features of any of the packs seem like they will change gameplay that much tbh. Except maybe the Supernatural/Occult ones and I play a realistic family style so not sure I want those yet. I might later. Maybe Seasons would make a big game changing difference. But otherwise all they seem to add is new worlds and a few new toys for the most part, so I just can’t care when there are better toys in TS3 and TS2 to play with. And I will play those as well.
@@TheDawnofVanlife I was late to the TS4 party. I skipped TS3 almost completely. I got the game the day it was released and never was able to enjoy it (was willing to overlook how it looked) because it wouldn't play on my rig that was very beefy when I bought it for TS2. I just got a new gaming rig and it won't even load, though it is installed (same with Sims Medieval), but TS4 and TS2 will both play.
When TS4 was first announced, I looked into it and knowing everything it wasn't being released with (pools, hot tubs, TODDLERS) was enough to make me not even a little interested. I tried in 2017 during a 48 hour free trial, but the computer I had at the time wasn't adequate. I finally dove in in October 2021. I do have a base game only save that I do enjoy, but I don't feel the base game is as well fleshed out as TS2 and TS3 base games.
Growing Together is overrated. I like what it brings to the table, but most aspects of it should be base game. The relationship benefit it gives makes it about equal to (not really) relationships in TS2 and TS1 (post HotDate).
Most of the reason for me to have all packs is more building tools and more clothes, but I do love Get Together and Tiny Living most for what they bring to the table. With these 2 packs, your Sims become Skilling machines. Bundle those with Parenthood (more important for family gameplay, IMO) and you have the best bundle available. I have a video about this on my channel.
@@TheDawnofVanlife PS Just took a look at your channel (your channel name definitely piqued my interest). Totally inspired by your journey!
I used to love watching that beginning animation of the house being put together. I wanted a house that looked just like that. Also the sims 1 is a memory of an easier time with a lot less stress.
@@blueghost4769yess I miss the newspaper
I’ve played the sims since the beginning. I own every pack of every version (my son is impressed, but I don’t want to sit and add up the numbers, lol) I really love the game, but the bugs are getting more and more annoying to the point where I’ve started downloading mods to fix the game (isn’t that ironic?!) And yes, the fact that we need to buy so many DLCs to add features to the game is getting annoying too, to the point where I’m not even looking forward to project Rene, which kind of saddens me. I was always happy and excited to buy the new Sims game but not anymore, because I’m thinking there’s a limit to where they’ll be allowed to offer a defective expensive game. I still play the sims 4, but probably will not engage in their next money grabbing game, and will explore Life by You and Paralives instead to see what they have to offer.
EA complains about mods and yet that is what kept this game limping along as long as it has. Hire the modders to do it since EA cannot be bothered to fix the game.
Satch looking out the window on repeat at the hot builder is a mood 🤣
I literally choked on my soup when he said that 🤣
So I remember a few years back when EA got called out for their horrible sales figures and people were posting the charts on their channels to show and then EA just stopped reporting it or something like that so there is no legitimate way to see how well they are doing with the Sims so no one in their right mind should be believing the fact that anything they sell now is their “bestselling “ .
i've played the sims 1 to 4. my favourites are still 2 and 3 (let's not forget about MEDIEVAL - absolute gem, personally).
sims 4 looks pretty, sure. but you can't do much. you notice this even more if you've played the previous sims games.
i've got thousands of hours in sims 2 and 3.... and 20 hours in the sims 4 (and i think that's generous) 😥
not too optimistic about the sims 5 but fingers crossed!
I'll be honest I overly use the premade rooms😭I know if I'll actually put effort into the builds I'll spend too much time in build mode, so I just play my ideas in ugly af builds that are just premade rooms with weird roofing slapped on top of them, and if I like playing that save maybe I'll fix it later lmao
When I compare sims 1 community lots with sims 4 early ones, I feel betrayed🥺
I started with sims 2, then with sims 3, but when sims 4 was released I didn't want it, because I thought it was ugly and boring and no open world. I got it years after release, when it was a little bit less worst. And I got it for Christmas, I haven't bought it myself. Now that I think about it, I haven't spent a single penny on that game. Everything was given to me by family and friends. Love them for that.
Fun fact: First game that ever had DLC was Total Annihilation from 1997 it was a PC game.
I noticed that the sims in a relationship don’t snuggle while sleeping in the sims 4. It’s a small detail I miss but they should bring it back
don’t worry there’s a mod for that. modders fixed it as always. unless you’re on console :/
Sims 4 is the only game I’m not ashamed to “pirate”. EA just doesn’t deserve to be supported. Never bout anything official from them and never will.
Aww, the mention of rollercoaster tycoon made me smile! Since I’ve fallen out of love with the sims I’ve revisited RCT/RCT2, happy to say there’s still a thriving community and I’m having so much fun building gorgeous parks and crazy rides once again. Still is and always will be a near perfect game in my eyes.
I loved roller coaster tycoon! Do you know where I can buy it? My coworker and I were talking about it the other day
@@bshenc4026 it’s on steam! You can get the whole RCT2 collection for super cheap. The game does tend to crash a bunch at launch since it’s meant to be run on much older systems, but I think it’s totally worth it.
I remember when Sims 1 and Sims 2 were out I could start playing in the morning and play all the way until night time and literally would have to make myself stop and go to bed because it was so easy to get immersed into this world! I would make a machinima movies. There was this community of directors who made amazing movies and when Sims 4 came around they killed The Sims directors and made movies so hard to do in Sims 4. It's just not the same.
For sims 3, steam has sales on it's packs in almost every major sale. They can go down to a minimum of $5.00.
(This is just a metaphor but) It's like EA/Maxis is like," We will sell you a tv with a remote), but the remote comes with just a few buttons. And to get the full usage or playability out of it is to purchase the additional buttons."
The price is even worse for canadians, it's 59,99$ the expansion, 39,99$ the game pack, 14,99$ the stuff pack and 6,99$ the kit. It's SO much.
I'm in a cycle where the only thing bringing me joy on the sims is my not so berry challenge, I go in wanting to make something new and then it's like damn why start over when I'm already one calendar year into a save file.
You described exactly my toxic relationship with the game; get excited, spend time in cas and building, and when I finaly get to play it's boring, slow, tasteless... and then again I stop playing for weeks. I played sims 1 and 2 with no expansions and I had a blast, I played from friday to sunday and waited again for the weekend to keep playing. Now I think about it 1000times before even turning the pc on, since I know it will take a while for the ea app to run (if so), I will probably have to download another actualización or whatever and another million years for each loading screen
Funny thing, I discovered Bull Technology only yesterday for some reason. And here you are, linking to them. His recent video comparing Sims4 to Paralives and Life by You made me think. Later that night watching my sim's arm poking through another sim like some bizarre fatality move, I found myself thinking: "Imagine the outcry if this happens in Life By You, but here we have been fine with it for 9 years."
I am experiencing the Mandela effect. I swear I watched That guy's video before. But it was not in August. So either he made a new one Or I'm going crazy.
Aside from that I am really sad about The Sims as well I don't have high hopes for Sims 5 but....
I’ve played sims 2-4 . Ya 4 does suck compared to 2 or 3. I wish they’d sell 2 and Katy Perry Sweet Treats. I raged quit caz they had no toddlers. Sims 4 is hard to build for me. Sims 3 I was a master I’d make houses under water and all sorts of wild stuff.
Tbh I think part of the reason why Simers buy broken packs is that they hope someone will make a mod to fix them, like I've heard of people who have made mods and found tricks that fixed the absolutely horrific lag from Sims 3 Island Paradise (I think the trick was to delete all npc houseboats) and speaking from experience, that pack had a horrific lag, I used to fight for hours to play half a sims day
I never played sims 1 but even the sims 2 having DLC blew my mind after switching from sims 2 console back in the day
the sims 3 being ugly is extremly easily solved by an NRAAS mod (maybe master controller) to increase amount of sliders and installing custom sliders, having a couple of default replacement skins eyes and hairs, and some cc hairs to improve the look of the game, for the rest of the game you need no cc as there is create a style and you can make anything
Seeing the total cost actually makes me cry to think I’ve spent almost that much, I usually wait for the sales but even then it’s not worth it 😢
The only thing the Sims 4 is good for is Wicked Whims. I play for 5 min, do what needs to be done & exit💋
I would love to switch back to The Sims 3 but my computer didn’t handle it well the last time I tried. I go back to The Sims 2 quite a bit though.
Great video, Satch. I appreciate your honesty. I also saw Bull Technology's video too. You both raise great points. I personally have a love/hate relationship with the Sims4. Sometimes I love it and sometimes I hate it due to the glitches. However, because I use mods it does add the dimension and depth that would be sorely lacking without the mods.
All i want to do in sims 4 is have my family own the exact same burger restaurant in every world like chain restaurants but they dont make any money unless you are in the restaurant and it kills me.
Why doesn't anyone talk about sims bustin out? That was the first sims I ever played. I loved it so much that I went on a hunt for it in 2019 to play again.
Omg I love bustin out soooo much ! I haven’t played it since I was a teen, but it was def one of my faves in the sims series. I remember being obsessed with Bella & Mortimer and the ghosts in their house lol
I still have all the original sims game disks and game guides for each expansion. I will always love and play the sims.
The Sims 5 could be a rerelease of TS3 with upgraded graphics and gallery, and I would not be mad at all. Maybe more up-to date CAS.
I feel like builders who donmt really play with the sims themselves and just enjoy shareing they builds will stick to the next sims game cause they probably will have the pretiest looking game and the most advanced build mode, but other regulars players will definatelly move on to other options
I wonder what features moved from basegame to DLC and what content division we gonna see in the sims 5 lmao
like we're gonna have a dogs expension pack and a cats expension pack lmao
Will you ever review the Urbz? Absolute fav from the sims!
I’m only 25 and I’ve played the sims 2, 3 and 4. and 3 was definitely my favorite. The vacation expansion was soo good.
I’m a pretty loyal fan of the Sims. I’ve purchased every single expansion to the Sims, Sims 2 and Sims 3. I have most of the Sims 4 packs, but I refused, REFUSED to purchased Star Wars and My Wedding Stories.
the mysims series will forever be replayed by me
Sims isn't a life simulator anymore, its a doll-house simulator.
As someone who has played sims 1, 2, 3, & 4 throughout my life it saddens me to know that some ppl will never truly know how BAD the sims 4 sucks in comparison to the previous games.
Old lady here... Expansion packs absolutely existed before the Sims. The first one that came to my mind was Rollercoaster Tycoon, but I'm sure other games had them as well.
I loved Into The Future for The Sims 3, it provided some really inventive and fun gameplay that hasn’t been done before by The Sims. It had all these jokes and puns built into characters names and descriptions of things.
Two things that have really disappointed me about the whole life sim genre is Medieval and Into The Future. The idea of playing a Sims game in an alternate time period is such a good one and the direction I wish the franchise had gone. I want Medieval Sims and
Steampunk Sims and Space Sims and Future Sims. I want different time periods and I want gameplay based on those time periods. I want something that nobody is trying to make and probably never will.
Literally this, Into the Future was one of my favorite packs but I feel like so many simmers hate on it because it’s different from what we’ve gotten in past or there are some people who say it doesn’t fit with the life sim aspect although it’s really no weirder then the occult packs. Seriously it was one of the most unique packs we’ve ever gotten my only gripe with it was that the dystopian future wasn’t actually dystopian it was just dirty lol but that’s really not a big deal compared to the pack overall.
the number 1 thing that keeps me unable to play ts4 for more than a few minutes is definitely the lack of open world. if i wanted the extremely outdated system of ts2, i'd play ts2, cause that still has better gameplay. but hey at least lots of 9 year old girls with the lowest end virus infested walmart laptops can now buy lots and lots of DLC!
Hosently, if they want to make good money out of the sims, they should just give us (sims 3 gamemode) and (sims 4 buildmode) and (sims 2 for storylines)
I usually got between 10-20 hours of gameplay from each pack but, usually, that was me stretching for the sake of trying to stretch it. Often, I lost interest well before that. I have the boon that I love building, that's what made most packs kinda still "worth while", but that feels incredibly crummy and backwards. It's a life simulator. The gameplay should be able to carry it.
14:56 that’s exactly why i ONLY build there IS NO GOOD GAMEPLAY. it’s absolutely insane. i use to watch the sims 3 when i was younger since i could never play it and i knew that ts4 was terrible when it first came out and i’m realizing that it’s STILL terrible 😭🤦🏽♀️ i have only bought the packs when their on sale (50%)
i remember like 2015-18 i would go on and on nonstop complaining to my cousin about just how horrid the sims 4 actually is. my favorite pastime is to see this company get scrutinized for their horrible decisions. it’s amazing 🤩
When I was little, my mom bought me the Sims 3 on the DS and pc and world adventures and showtime . I only got started with the Sims, because a friend of mine gave me the sims 2 double deluxe with their parents bought them the sims 3. As a 26-year-old I’m surprised at how expensive even the Sims three was back then . I paid 5 dollars to a seller on esty for all the sims 3 store content and dlc . I’ve stopped playing the sims 4 cause I get bored even. With mods
I’m about to be 26 and I have a similar experience with owning the Sims 2 double deluxe cause a friend lol. I haven’t gotten bored of ts4 yet tbh, but my game and save file is slowly becoming more corrupted. I’ve been somehow able to fix every problem that’s happened, but I’m just waiting for the day I can’t fix an issue and then I’ll move onto probably ts2. Maybe ts3 if have a new pc at that point.
Also the rant at 13:35 onwards? The building in CAS, building a lot, having a plan? Yep. Around a couple hours in (so, including the time spent in CAS)? I stop playing and then it’ll be months before I pick up the game again. Not sure why its so difficult to stay interested in this game. Yet in other games, I can pick them up and get back into them much sooner.
The cycle you noted about craving to play with a good idea, then getting bored within 10 min, then rinse and repeat is so accurate. I did realize that downloading free custom content online was the most efficient way to go about it. Honestly at this point NSFW mods are the only reason i use Sims 4. It is really good for that though
I remember satch previously mentioning about sims 4 was meant to be an online game and it was scraped it last minute. I think it might not be the sims 5 but a rebrand/reboot foucing more on it being an online game than the classic sims games
I can not confirm that ts3 is expensive.
Last year there was a sale. I got the basegame for 20€, and for less than 70€ I got the ts3 collection, like every pack except Kate Perry
The best thing about the sale was that it was on steam, which means that I can play the game offline and without the ea app involved.
The game is absolutely amazing, certainly the pinnacle of the franchise.
The reason why I still play ts4 are the mods. Yes, there still are mods for ts3, and they keep on releasing new ones, but they just can't compete with the stuff the ts4 modders churn out. Look, for example, at the animations available for Kinky World and compare them to those for Wicked Whims. So.
When you started to sum the cost of the packs I felt attacked
In order for me to actually sit and play for a while, I have to start with a save file. It’s sad because the previous games seems like they are a already an awesome save file loading in if that makes sense.
For me...I don't know. I'm done with sims 4 for now and have been playing 2 and 3 more (mostly 2, my fave) but I don't like the thought of giving up on it entirely cause of how much I've invested in it, same for buying a new game, but I HATE that the EA app can't be fully offline that's a big thing for me. I doubt I'll pay much attention to sims 5, mostly cause it'll no doubt be fully online and (mostly) multi-player. If either I might try Paralives the other looks too complicated to me
I built my dream house in the Sims 4(not IRL dream house) but when I tried to place it I got an error and can place any other house except for the one I made and it's base game. I haven't played since
EA is a plague. They're killing BioWare as well, who make my favourite video games. They just forced them to fire like 50 people including people who have been writing for BioWare for 20 years. It's wild. The one thing I'll say about sims 4 is that it depends on your playstyle. Like for me, I really really enjoy building, and I find it really fun and relaxing, so in THAT way, sims 4 is great for me. But the gameplay is so much more shallow than previous games and I get bored of live mode fairly quickly, which I didn't with previous games. (I've played every sims game since sims 1 came out when I was 9 🤣)
sims 3 goes on sale on steam sometimes. got the base with all packs for like 30$
I wonder what Will Wright thinks of the turn the game took 😢😢
I've just checked my budget expenses (app) - from Sept 2021 to July 2023, i have spent a worth of $450 on base game/expansion packs/stuff packs/kits except for journey to batuu, horse ranch, men's fashion, greenhouse haven & library kit. 😅 right now, I'm still enjoying building & playing the game but it's getting repetitive. I think, for the moment - I'm just gonna play the game without buying anymore kits/etc since I've got access to CC mods after upgrading my gaming laptop! As for whether sims 5 is coming out/not, depends whether my love for the sims still remains. I use to play for fun when i was in my teens but nowadays, it's just to relieve my stress & play as therapy. The medieval challenge really helped! The zombie apocalypse was too scary & gory 😨
I boughed Sims 3 with all expansions packs and spent 45$ that is literally almost as much as one Expansion pack costs in the Sims 4
Here’s the thing.I started with the sims 4 and then out of curiosity tried the sims 3 as everyone seemed to be saying it was so much better! But… I didn’t find that to be the case. Graphics aside, I found that the same kind of rules applied and people kept saying to me things like “oh but you really need seasons and generations and pets etc” and I just thought to myself “nope, I’m not doing this again”. The sims 3 has packs that make the game unplayable and I’m not even going to go there with the in game shop. I think sims 3 is great for those who have played it for years and got it running how they want and have invested in the packs they want etc and if I had played the sims 3 first I would have probably looked at the sims 4 and gone “nope!”. Just trying to put a different perspective on things which is The sims has always been like this it seems.
I don’t mind the sims 4. I did relate to a lot of the things you said though 😂🤣 I will not be getting the sims 5. Full stop end of story. If they are insisting on in game purchases though, I really hope that they do it a little like Minecraft bedrock does in that CC creators will be able to sell their stuff through it, meaning that they will get compensated and also console players will be able to use it. I very, very much doubt that will ever happen though.