@@hbsupermage Don't take me wrong but the fact you repeat the word much on bikes that are not that different, knowing the Versys suspension can't be adjusted as the KTM can, less torque and more weight kinda leads me to think your opinion is biased and/or you are not doing the same kind of off road I am doing. I mean, I understand some ppl will prefer one over the other, no issue with that, ppl like and value different things but saying one is much much better on basically everything I just don't think it is true. Now on the reliability part, I agree with you there!! 😅 I got stuck on same rocky situations, alone and with a loaded bike, I already had to burn some clutch to get out, I can imagine how worse would it be with what? 2/3 of the torque?
I love this bike for exactly what it is not. Obviously a bike with a 19" front wheel and less than 7" suspension travel is not intended to be an "Off Road" bike. It is intended to be a back road, gravel/dirt road travel bike, and for that it works absolutely awesome, especially given the features and price point. As a senior (almost 62) and having ridden all my life, including competing in countless enduros, I speak from experience. I have hardly ridden my 1090R since getting the 390. Lot's of people like the DR650 as a light adventure bike. The only thing this bike gives up to that is suspension travel and ground clearance. The 390 is faster than a DR, has well over 200 mile range with stock tank, and unlike the DR the stock suspension is quite good. Oh, and it's fuel injected, has off road ABS, a power port, wind screen, and is comfortable and will cruise all day long at 70. My only significant complaint is that traction control cannot be defaulted to off. Other than that, I think the gearing might work better with one tooth less on the front since it's sometimes difficult to get the back to break loose and slide, so I intend to try that when the time comes. This bike is in a category of it's own, and I like that.
@@lappi_wojak sounds to me like he has what he wants and as a motorcycle rider and enduro racer for many years I'm sure he has tested many bikes before settling on the 390.
Hey, thanks for the long comment! (And for taking interest in my video :) ) The ktm390 has lots of nice things that will please a lot of people... But here in Portugal we have limitless offroad trails of all kind, and i didnt like the way the 390 handles on some of them. On easy stuff is good enough, sure, but any bike kinda is.. but when things get slightly gnarlier it just behaves like a dishwasher with a handlebar... Its my opinion, its worth what it is worth.. :p In my defense, there is a video of Chris Birch riding the 390, and you can clearly see that he is struggling... The guy that flies with grace and apparent ease on a 1290 or a 890 then is huffing and puffing to ride the 390 on the same kind of trails.. and you can clearly he is basically braking the bike in half trying to ride it fast.
Totally correct. I look at mine as a 390 Duke “GT” and through that lens, it’s a blinder! Mostly road, longer range tank, more comfortable, adjustable suspension, standard 12V output… and remember, if you bugger off in a direction, on somewhere you’ve never been, it’s still a bloody adventure😁 people get hung up on the “adventure” tag… people crap on and say …”It’s only an adventure bike if it can do off road as well” Mate. You have a Dual Sport😂 if anyone has seen C90 Adventures, I dare anyone to say he didn’t turn a C90 into an “adventure” bike😉
I think he summed it up nicely. The only thing this bike is meant to be is another way to milk adventure riders by selling them a product you already have with as little costly modifications as possible. But if you enjoy it, then its the right bike for you :)
As a KTM 390 ADV owner, I completely agree with this review. I am from Kentucky originally and grew up riding 2 cycle dirt bikes, mopeds, scooters, etc. I'm 49 now and owning a road bike was on my bucket list. I am 6'5 and 240lb. I live about 10 miles from Cleveland, OH for the last 25 years. I consider myself a novice and got my temporary license in October 2022. It's at least 1-2 hours before I can reach a public unimproved/dirt road. I wish cruise was an option! As a tall rider, this bike fits me extremely well and only changed the seat, footpegs, windshield and mirrors to improve the ergonomics for my stature. I like the speed shift mostly for downshifting as it is rough 1st to 2nd gear unless you're into the throttle hard. I get 70 mpg average; I'm older now and not going as fast as I used to:) This bike also has a two year 18,000 mile warranty >I've not seen that mentioned around the interwebs. The buld quality/materials on this bike are of poor quality. Brake levers and mirror adjustment hardware are cheap metal that strip easily. Aftermarket parts are readily available both domestic and international. I have found the bike easy to work on/accessorize as the farings come off easily (added Oxford heated grips >$88 on Amazon). I bought a radiator and headlight protector on ebay for $65. Hepco and Becker Alumrack pannier and rear rack for $235 shipped. Hepco and becker refurbished 30L junior panniers for $235 shipped. For under $1000 I rigged the bike quite well and significantly improved the ergonomics. The KTM dealer network is robust in the area>break in service at 1000k/660 miles was $267! In all I do feel this is a good bike for a beginner. I can definitely see an experienced rider taking this bike off road and identifying many shortcomings, however, as a newer rider I felt this bike matched my situation well >80% road 20% off road>just like the Continental tires that come on the bike from the factory. I hope I can one day ride in Portugal!!!
I think this might be the best review so far. Glad to see your review very balanced from fellow dual sport soul. I just compared the 390ADV to the Freewind 650. We know which is better ;)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse sincere and on point. We must always remember how much our confirmation bias affects us. I suggest a take on your do it all unicorn 🦄 PR7, CRF300L or 500 EXC? 😉
@@KunalMukherjee3701 Absolutely great. All the reviews on UA-cam helped a lot, it is exactly what I was expecting it to be. $3200 used and I'll put new tires on it and a few accessories to bring it back to fresh OEM spec. I think it's a good overall value proposition. Not to mention it handles the highway better than I expected. 80mph not a problem.
Your complaint about the quick shifter doesn't make sense to me. The point of a quick shifter is to be able to shift while accelerating hard and not have to lift off the throttle to maximize acceleration. Not for putting around at slow speed in low revs. If you don't want to ever clutch, buy a scooter Edit: you should also be comparing this bike more to other smaller displacement adventure bikes like the Versys 300X, BMW 310 or the CBX500 rather than the smaller offroad focused dual sports when looking at the travel. Its an adv bike, not a dual sport. In this category, the travel it has makes more sense. If you were expecting this to be a dual sport then I understand your disappointment here, but it being an adventure bike should have been obvious
I have the 890 S model and want a second bike that is more capable of highway miles to get to the trails, than my KLX300 dual sport. I think you've shown me that the DR 650 is probably the way to go as I've been thinking about the DR for quite some time now. Well done.
Gr8 Video man! So funny to see the Hayabusa doing it's off road trek day! :) This has inspired me to think about getting a wee Honda cb300r and taking it across the Scottish Highlands, and perhaps even the Himalayas
Well the Grom would shave 30 kilos so it could well be a candidate but maybe not for the highway. After seeing that Hayabusa I could compromise by riding a Ninja 400 over some Scottish Mountain goat tracks :) @@OFFroadOFFcourse
I think that the cast aluminum wheels, the tires (19-17), and obviously the suspension travel (17-17.7) don't help at all and it's difficult to understand why KTM took this decision. My ideal ADV bike should be around 500cc, weight around 150kg, suspension travel front/rear around 25cm, tires front/rear 21/18, spoked wheels. Then I don't know whether or not it exists. I struggled with a BMW 1150 GS ADV that weighed 270kg! With my offroad skill (none), I found myself almost always in trouble. Anyway I saw someone using that bike like a normal light dirt bike... OK, he is Superman and I am Goofy, so no chance. Thank you Diogo for your nice and funny videos!
You just described the perfect bike... 500cc/150kg/21"-18"... but unfortunately we dont have that yet. Whell, there is the 500EXC, but thats a "performance dual-sport", 80% Enduro bike, 20% dual sport. What we need is a lightweight twin-cilinder 500cc... and I would be happy with ~175kg. I think asking for 150kg is too greedy (but it would be perfect of course :P)
I love your honesty in this video, it’s very refreshing. So I’m thinking about buying a KTM 390, but with this video in mind, I am wondering what bike would you recommend that this one it trying to be in the same sort of size and price range. As tested, I want this for all, including commuting, city riding and of course off road/green laning.
Hey David... this is a great bike that "can do it all" as long as your focus is not the off-road bits. It will still let you go places, greenlaning, etc etc... but it will do it rather poorly, and you have to sort of nurse her through the rough bits. I really enjoyed the CRF300L (also a great commuter, but way worse "tourer" than the KTM) and the Fantic Caballero Rally (way better off-road and sort of the same on-road as the KTM390)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Thank for the reply. I had a Beta XTrainer 300 2 stroke last time and it did more than I ever could. I’m just wondering if the KTM will leave me wanting. I am actually also currently looking at the CRF300L you mentioned, but they are pretty scarce in the UK right now. There are also no demo bikes available, but I’m thinking it will definitely be closer to the Beta. The Beta however was definitely not commute friendly. 😂
I payed the full price of this bike today and waiting for shipment, 2022 version. I’ve been using honda forza 250 for 3 years and thinking this will be proper step up and introduction to off road. I’m bummed that you didn’t liked it
Hey, a lot of people disagree with me on this one, and i am not surprised since the expectations for an adventure bike are very different. I REALLY like offroad, so when i choose an adv bike i really need it to perform, i cant be a street bike that survives a bit of offroad here and there... What i mean to say is: the ktm390 isnt bad, it just isnt for me :) It will be way better than the forza 250 though :p
It's such a shame, but I suspect the engineers knew exactly what they were doing... Avoiding canabilising the sales of the 890 ADV with a lighter bike that has similar capabilities. Any idea if the Colove 450 Rally is coming your direction? I'd love to see your thoughts on it! I know it's being released in the US and UK under the GPX marquee, not sure which other countries it's headed.
hey man, thanks for the comment! I really think the fear of canabilising their sales of the bigger bikes is their greatest fear :o I am still in doubt if the colove will be a purely competition oriented bike or something that the "common rider" can use a his adventure workhorse :D
@@OFFroadOFFcourse It's a real pity, the small ADV bike market is severely lacking... With any luck the 490 Adventure comes along from KTM soon and isn't priced ridiculously or with "pay to unlock" features. The specs of the engine (currently in the CFMoto 450 SR) are quite promising. There have been 3 variants of the Colove 450 Rally annouced by GPX, ranging from competition only through standard to standard lowered. So there's hope that they're aiming at more average riders alongside competition. Projected to be landing in the UK and US early next year... Something to keep an eye on :-) Thanks for the reply 🙌
Definitely an entry level little adventure for someone that feeds itself more from the love to it's bike than it's capabilities, like most of us Jaja.., it still a good bike for it's intended purpose, Thanks for the good review Cheers
No, it's a road bike disguised. At the first dirt road with rocks anywhere you'll explode the engine. The cast wheels won't make eight days in any fast bumpy dirt road destroyed by the trucks. Yoy'll cry in mud. It's a very bad bike for entry level adventure as you'll be fed up in two days after breaking everything and you won't learn anything about off road driving.
I agree...its a fun little bike, but not "enough" for the offroad oriented person. If you want to ride on the road and then from time to time explore a simple trail, than its perfect! why not? But if you have a group of friends that often go offroad, if you watch channels like mine, if you want to improve offroad riding skills etc etc, then I think this is not a good option. Its too limiting. Its like trying to eat rice with chopsticks. Definitely possible and very well documented...but why would you do it? xD
Very interesting review! I'm looking for a bike for everyday use (commuter), including city riding, that's light (maximum 180kg), with reasonable power (at least 40hp) and some light off-road capability. From my research, the KTM 390 Adventure and Triumph Scrambler 400 X stand out. Then there are others like the Honda CB/NX 500, the CD Moto MT 450 or the new RE Himalayan, which are heavier but fulfil the other requirements. What do you think would be the best option? Cheers
If off-road is just a "side note", than I see no problem on the KTM390, really. Specially the 2020+ models :) All the bikes you mentioned are very interesing (i never tested the Scrambler 400, the MT450 or the NX500), so all could be good choices depending on the type of rider you are. The twin cilinders (mt450, nx500) will feel heavier but definitely be better for long range touring...the other ones will be better around town, some offroad, etc etc. You have to try them yourself at this point :)
At least the Hima has the "Indiana Jones"-factor while the 390 seem to lack any sort of charisma. Here in the deserts and mountains of the Southern Andes we need capable and light dual sport bikes to make an adventure. Great and honest review like always.
There are tons of adventure bikes that pass the offroad test. They are heavy, big, most riders won't be able to use them offroad, but THEY COULD: Africa twin 1100/1000, ktm 890/990/1090/1190/1290, T7, T7+, GS1200/1250, Triumph Tiger, Norden, etc etc... So, adventure bikes are supposed to be good ENOUGH offroad. This 390adv is a lightweight Adv bike, should be very very easy offroad, and its not. When an "adventure bike" only offers the illusion, not the real thing, then I call it Meh. Its not a terrible bike this 390... its simply way to "meh" offroad for KTM to proudly call it an ADV. They know how to make adv bikes... this one is not one of those.
I think your interpretation of Adventure is skewed. Adventure could mean a lot of different things to different people, and it doesn't mean enduro type riding. For it's price it's very good, but never meant to compete with full enduro type machines. Adventure also doesn't have to be the really rough stuff, and for your information, my wife spend 10,000 ks riding most of the terrain I did on my KTM 790 Adventure R, this with no issues. This included rocky mountain passes, long dirt roads, and some sand. Hope your readers take whatever you said with a pinch of salt🤔
First of all, great review as usual. Thanks! In my opinion the new design of the KTMs is dam ugly (but maybe that’s just me) The 790/890 Engines are made in China and the 390 are completely made in India or Philippines. Don’t get me wrong, that is totally ok. But not as long they claim to be a European brand with the European price tag on the bikes.
From my perspective, price tag for 390 is quite reasonable. At least where I live, 390 duke is probably the best value-for-money you can get in the new bikes market. ADV version could've cost $300-500 less, but I still cannot say it's overpriced.
I agree! Its good bang for the buck nevertheless!... not if you actually want a good offroad bike. But for a "all rounder" that can ride a dirt road from time to time, yeah, good bang for the buck definitely!
Tried the bike some time ago and felt quite the same, especially regarding the stiffness. So my overall impression wasn't that positive, but as always, it depends on taste. Great review!
I completely agree also ryan F9 made a similar review. I wanted so much to like this bike because I love the big 790R and 890R but it’s not a smaller version of that. It’s actually the bigger version of a duke and that just doesn’t do it for me. For this bike to be really off-roadble you have to add bar raisers, spoke wheels, new pegs and a little bit shorter gearing by the time you are done upgrading you realize you could buy a used T7 for that price and that’s what I did. Do I miss the 30kg difference? Not really I already dropped the T7 a couple times and was relatively easy to pick up.
There was too much hype anticipating the 390... KTM could build a dual sport around that engine but they won't, cause it would cannibalize sales of more expensive bikes.
That is exactly what i think, and thats why i was so harsh on the 390adventure. Its not a bad bike..but its not the bike we wanted :/ I will make a video this weekend explaining exactly that ;)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse I do not think it was harsh. Sometimes facts can come across as hard. And this hard truth you speak is what I like about your channel. Cheers!
Maybe one day some manufacturer will make a bike to replace my DR 650 but I doubt it, not in the days of emission control and hi tech. A simple easy bike to work on, lightish weight, practical and reliable, and most importantly, cheap. I thought my T7 would be the answer but it is heavy and a simple thing like changing spark plugs is a time consuming nightmare.
You kinda gave it away at 'Meh', but I watched anyway. Meh! Can't wait for the mythical ktm 490 Adv; on paper it could be the perfect ADV bike (Are you listening Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suzuki and Honda). PS: Diogo, I recently updated my suspension and used your vids to check and set sag. Brilliant, thanks!
Hey Lou, thanks for watching (again) and commenting :D I am glad my videos make sense to you and that you can find them useful! I am also very curious for the 490.... I've always wanted to see a lightweight twin cilinder... lets hope its really lighweight. If its more than 180kg wet, I will consider it a fail (or at least just another bike, special like all the others xD)
I will say I agree with you on a lot of what you touched on. I feel like they could have done better. Don't get me wrong I still enjoy it but even for this being my first bike I'm already interested in finding something better.
@@OFFroadOFFcourse it will Cruise dirt roads just fine and it does perfectly fine with what it's intended to be used for. I think a little more suspension travel would have done this bike well.
Okay, you made me laugh and got my thumbs up. "Coming from a huge bike this one feels nimble maybe" part. :) Also great suspension comparison. I am thinking about the DRS400SM (put some dirt tires on it as is, or swap rims with dirt tires if wanted) and you see the DRZ400 is at the top of your chart. Telling!
Just read thoughts of the 62 younger rider who had an Enduro background. My off road was varied but loved his opinion. My thought is as it wears parts are high buck. For that reason a hard pass but a decent effort KTM.
Yeah, i saw the video.. but i dont really understand your point :o Even Chris struggled with this bike...only a VERY good rider could do what he did with the 390...and he (and the bike) are clearly struggling... Poor bike...there is a scene where he jumps over a rock, i thought the bikr would break in 2. it hurts just to look at :D ...and, in the end of the day, we cant forget he has been sponsored by ktm for like 10years. He couldnt just say "this is a stupid bike for offroad, dont buy it!" :P ...maybe thats why he didnt even do a proper review, just a small test drive with no comments... cause he didnt want to lie and didnt have a anything too great to say :o
@@OFFroadOFFcourse I ride with CRF250L , CRF300L, CB500X, RE Himalayan those bikes can not keep up with the KTM 390 Adventures, The KTM is faster on gravel, sand and single tracks. Because it has way better suspension, brakes and power than the bikes mentioned above, and it is so much more fun to ride. Only complains I have is that it should have had spoked wheels, one piece seat and a better skid plate. But that is all remedied with aftermarket parts. PS the Honda riders here are selling their bikes and get 390'salso.
@@DigiMannen i am sorry man, but i dont believe for a second the ktm390 is faster than a 300L on any serious offroad trail. On a flat gravel road sure...on a sandy (not too deep) road, maybe, sure... But thats basically unpaved road, not "offroad"..with rocks, and holes and ruts, etc... I dont want to call you a liar, but i dont think we are talking about the same kind of "offroads". And im not talking just out of my ass... I have tried all the bikes you mentioned, and seen them ride quite often (my friends have/had them).
@@OFFroadOFFcourse If you are a mediocre rider the Honda CRF300L might be easier in slow speeds, but the suspension sucks big time, and the engine is very anemic on power, half than the KTM 390, the KTM ABS offroad mode is way better than on the Honda, the slipper clutch have better set up on the KTM also. If you can not ride faster on the KTM than the Honda CRF then you are a mediocre rider.
Até compreendo as tuas críticas à mota, mas quanto ao quickshifter não fazem muito sentido, dado que esse dispositivo é consabidamente eficaz apenas em rotações mais elevadas, basta perceber um pouco de mecânica para entender que assim é, logo usá-lo em baixas não faz sentido
Epa pois, entao é uma beca "meh" xD Ou me posso esquecer da embraiagem ou nao posso...nao podem haver "às vezes sim às vezes nao". Na duke ou numa R de 150 cavalos ate podia aceitar q o quickshift so funcionasse em altas...mas numa motinha de cidade e mini aventura, que sentido faz? Metade da vida é em baixas rotaçoes e nas voltinhas.. Nao disse que era uma m*rda, disse que era meh :D Obrigado por veres o video e pelo comentário ;)
@Get não eh bem assim, tive um QS em uma F800R e era mesmo excelente para trocar em baixas quando estava a passear pela cidade.... se for bem implementado, funciona em qualquer situação.
KTM...meh . Quanto as ajudas eletrônicas eu resumo : se aprendeste a andar antes delas aparecerem estás safo, caso contrário não te metas a conduzir uma R1 das antigas ou coisa do gênero 😄
Opa, em certas motos fazem sentido, e em certas motos/marcas elas realmente funcionam bem! Estas da 390 são mesmo uma treta... até na estrada sao chatas (se a estrada for como as ruas de m**** da minha cidade xD)
Enjoyed the review, it’s nice to hear differing opinions. Knox Armour and ADV Matt have pretty great reviews for this bike and really put it through its paces. It’s well worth the money in my opinion with everything it comes with and the list is long. I have one in the US and use it to mostly ride OHV mountain trails in Colorado. It’s a fantastic bike that can comfortably get you to an off-road trail, ride the trail, and then get you home. I don’t think there’s another adventure bike that comes from the factory at this price point with this much capability and amount of features.
Thanks a lot for the comment! Even without agreeing, you respected my opinion, which is uncommon nowadays :D It has a lot of features, i agree...and its not very expensive... My real complaint is that its not different enough from the duke to really deserve the "adventure" label (especially considering its a ktm, with such a legacy of capable adv bikes) name. In other words If it was called "KTM 390 Adventure-Duke" or something like that my review would have been completely different :D
There are a lot of factors that make a motorcycle fit for an individual. One, you have to be completely realistic about what you're going to do with the bike. In actuality, people often don't make the correct choices for what they actually need, just what they want or what they imagine the bike will do. I've made this mistake myself. Most have. ADV Pulse has a great review of this bike as do ADV Matt and Knox. Most people don't need more bike, I likely don't need my R1200GS due to the reality I don't have the time or money to go on epic ADV rides out West. A 390 would likely do well for me and most people. The general trend is heading to smaller mid range bike. The ,market has big bore price, fatigue, people are just not interested in pay the prices anymore. This bike has been tested and recommended for general off road use. It's built at a price point and likely the most feature rich bike in that range. Spec sheet wise nothing else offers what this bike has.It's not going to be perfect for a specific task, but good enough for a broad range of them. People that are going to really do dual sport are going to get a bike specific to the task.
@@ijaxon6675 I agree with almost everything! :D From my perspective, even with lower tech, the CRF300L (or the Rally) is a better bang for the buck option for the adventurer that really wants some offroad freedom. Tke 390 is a street bike that can withstand a bit of offroad, the crf300 is a "soft dirt bike" that will whithstand the road for how long as you need (especially the raly version...thats quite a comfortable bike!) Have you tried it?
Objection! At this price point and category, I'd rather take the Versys-X 300. It just seems like a way better accomplished product than the dukeventure. Plus, once ready to go, they weight about the same, so why bother with a buzzy single cylinder when you can get a smooth long-lasting parallel twin? It's only plus is that it has electronics. Which seems to be the only good/bad point in all of KTM bike range. So if you like electronic assists, keep your KTM, if not then better get a Versys.
@@Davmm96 the 390ADV is on the ok side of buzzy single. Less buzz than a 690 Enduro, zippy around town but a bit gutless at higher speed. The CRF300L is less buzzy but also slower. But the weight makes up for it. Also less Buzzy is a DR650. The sporttouring footpegs on the 390ADV and awful wind buffeting is my main complaint. A stroked 390 to 490cc and make it a naked enduro version we might have a one bike unicorn 🦄
I have a 2022 KTM 390 Adventure and love it! It is everything I wanted in a small ADV. . With a few mods this little thing can and will surprise most the ADV riders out there. Its light nimble and so much fun on and off road. I am so impressed with this bike, cant wait to hit the trails again. Have fun and be safe.
Have a 23 Versys 650, fantastic bike for highways back roads and smooth dirt roads , but a 17 inch front wheel and steering geometry , suspension set up , limits its off road capabilities …but its biggest issue is the 210kg wet weight , which is a lot lighter than so called mid sized adventure bikes. If you can’t pick up a bike if you drop it miles from anywhere in the dirt , and you are riding solo, what you gonna do? So I get anxious when a smooth dirt road , gets muddy , just in case I drop it with the nervous 17 inch front tyre. I fitted Pirelli Trail max 2…it makes a big difference , but still not an off road bike , an off road bike needs a 21 inch front wheel and should be less than 160 kg wet.
Hey Diogo, I thought we were going to have to send the search party out to come and look for you, but I'm please to see you're OK. Great review, very honest. I like the 390 Adventure, A. Because its a KTM and I bleed orange blood. B. Because the 390 Adventure makes sense on paper. But you're review highlights all its failings which you wouldn't know about until you'd bought one. I think my modified XT660R is safe for quite some time yet 👍
Hey Nick! Yeah keep the XT!...the more I test modern bikes the more I appreciate my own :D I will mmake a few videos shortly on this subject ^^ Ah, and thank you for considering getting the search party! ahaha
Excellent & honest review. I own a 2020 390 AdV, Tiger 800 & KTM 690 and the 390 is my bike of choice for Adv off-road biking. Firstly my 390 hardly resembles what I bought: added spoke wheels, hand guards, seat concept, wider straight foot pegs, akrapovic exhaust & Rekluse clutch. Bike has an incredible engine which comes alive with high revs. It has a very low Centre of gravity which makes it an absolute blast in off-road conditions. Just came back from an extreme off-road trail in Lesotho which is as a 500km trip.
Wow, i woudl like to know more about that! Why woudln't you use the 690 for that sort of extreme off road stuff? It sounds like the right tool for the job :o And how come you still like my review? :P
I cannot really refute anything you said, especially the wind protection, but you can have a ton of fun with this bike off-road. I do and my legs are too short to paddle walk it so that's not the reason 🤣 - Frank
Of course you can have fun... Its not a bad bike! I think in the end I just felt disapointed with KTM :o They know how to make proper adventure bikes with true offroad capacity... :(
I put KAPPA710DTK windscreen on my 390 (I think it's a bit taller and wider then the one you tested), and for me it was enough to get decent wind protection. But I'm 176 cm tall, and for somebody taller when 180 it won't be enough. I also geared it up a bit, and it was enough to cut number of gear switches needed while city comuting in half. It also made long-range cruising a bit more fuel efficient. When I'm not trying to get somewhere fast and just cruising (85-90 km/h) I can get less when 3 litres per 100 km, which I think is impressive by itself, and provides 400+ km range. Unfortunately, when I start riding highway speeds (130+) - fuel consumption almost doubles : ( . For off-road part, I completely agree with you. In fact, my modifications made it even less off-roady, but for me - it's fine, I'm only using it for light off-roading anyway. Still, it would be nice to have a bit more ground clearance, for me the bike is quite high, but the only benefit I'm getting from this height is good situation awareness in traffic. Also, if you're going to ride with the passenger - passenger seat should be replaced, stock seat is just horrible. Comfort seat from KTM works fine, maybe where are other cheaper options in the aftermarket. That being said, rider seat is completely fine for me, I can easily spend several hours in the saddle without any significant discomfort.
Some of this review makes no sense. I can respect your views on the ride quality and wind deflection but It's a small/entry adventure bike and you didn't compare the suspension travel (or really anything) to its competition: 310 GS, Versys 300, CB500x, KLR650 (You did mention the Himalayan at least) but you compared it to some serious dual sports the T7, really? the most capable off road bike in the class is the KLR650 which only has 0.5"(13mm) more ground clearance/ 1"(25mm) more front wheel travel/ 0.3"(8mm) more rear wheel travel, but is also a dinosaur as far as tech. I think you made the 390ADV look like the worst option in a different class instead probably the best overall option in its intended class.
Hey man, thanks for the long comment. I see your point, but hear me out :) As i stated throughout the whole first minute and a half of the review, i had high expectations from a motorcycle KTM labels as "adventure". Comparing it to a versys300, cb500x etc should be an insult to the 390 and an unfair comparison to the others...but like you said, it is not, they are very comparable. From my point of view that means KTM failed being KTM. Whatever size, displacement or segment, ktm usually excels in terms of performance, and when they say its "adventure", or "enduro" or wahtever, they mean it... Not i this case though. So, its not a bad bike at all, but i cant help feeling it fell short of the expectations. Nevertheless, the channel is called offroad offcourse, so it kinda gives me the right to be a bit mean sometimes to bikes that fail my offroad standarts :p Sorry to disappoint you though :/ sucks
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Hello, Can you clarify what did you mean by comparing it to the versys x300 is an insult. I am having a hard time deciding between the x300 and the 390 adv, can you help with a recommendation? thank you
@@FS-kw2yj i never tried the x300 so i cant really comment on that :( it also depends a lot on what you want to do with the bike... I find the x300 very interesting for being a twin cylinder, but i really dont know how a 300cc twin feels like. Regarding the insult, dont take it too seriously. What i meant is that ktm is usually a brand that tries his best to excel in performance, and comparing it to the versys should be unfair to the versys cause it was a bike developed to be "ok". The fact that you can actually compared both so equally means that somehow KTM failed to make his bike special. Thats what i meant :) (maybe i have too many expectations for ktm)
Great review! Luv to finally watch a review that has well-researched and factual opinion and is grounded in experience. Best line: ‘it’s a Duke that spent too much time with the guys in the marketing dept” lol!
This is so great, love the comic vibes as always. Could you do Honda cb 500x and/or macbor montana xr5, if you can. Would really apreciate your opinion on their offroad capabilities compared to this ktm
I wanted to love this bike. On paper its perfect and seeing it in person its a gorgous bike. I had an opportunity to swap bikes with a friend for about an hour. I first sat on it and thought the ergonomics are perfect but the seat is pretty firm. Start the bike up and it sounds awesome, most impressive instrument cluster I have ever seen and clear even it sunlight, click into gear.. very nice, first gear nice pull, second gear .. what the hell this thing has no suspension, oh its adjustable, crank both adjusters to soft. slightly better but even my TW200 soaks up the road better. We rode some twisty roads, highway and gravel/dirt roads. The owner has never fiddled with the ride modes etc so I didn't bother either. I assume the default is rain mode or something like that because I seemed to be bouncing it off the rev limiter quite a bit and it certainly did not feel like 43 horsepower however I will say I like the engine and it was smooth enough that I would be able to ride it all day. Positives: looks, ergenomics, instrument cluster, engine. Negatives: terrible suspension (ok I said it), hard seat, KTM questionable reliability and very expensive parts. Just my opinion.
On an off road ride with a friend who had one of these, resetting traction control was a right pain for him every time we stopped. Fellow blogger Fortnine was also not impressed with the bike.
I love fortnine but him and this reviewer ride the bike for about a bloddy day and then put their preduces into the review. Check out some of the owner reviews, people who have actually ridden this bike for some time on and off road.
You have a point man. Sometimes 1 day isnt enough, and many times I change my opinions along the tests (god knows how many times I re-edited my script for the Himalayan)... but actually I had this bike in my garaage for 2 months, and used it for ~800km. Not a lot, but not exactly a 10min test ride. The difference between MOST reviewers and MOST users, is that reviewers have a lot of experience and knowledge under their belts, and it doesnt take much for them to identify key factors that determine a bike's true colors. On the other hand, users sometimes have 1 or 2 bikes in their curriculums, and even after years on the road/offroad, they're skills and knowledge are very limited... so when they say the bike is great, sometimes they are only comparing it to the other 2 bikes they know, and from their perspective and riding style. For instance... most 450cc enduro bikes feel EXTREMELLY bad for offroad until you actually ride them fast and throw them against big enough obstacles....if you try to ride them slowly in cruise mode like a dual-sport, they will feel like a wooden horse strapped on to a rocket :P
I have 3 KTMs & like your opinion! Yes you are correct way better than Jimmy L 🙃😄 he just seems like a sales agent 😜💩 but he's trying to be good. Anyways your video is good!
There's nothing wrong with this bike! Any punk can do a review on what the bike is not. At the price point there is no contest. Dr 650 , Klx 300 , same price as Ktm with way less features. And I don't even own the KTM!!
Hey man, thanks for commenting! Before you call me a punk though (:p), let me say that i find the 390adv a great bike (lots of bike for not a lot of money) IF you are looking for a commuter with some of travel capacity and a nod to off road readiness... but its far from reaching the same offroad standarts KTM has set for all "adventure" bikes before the 390. Thats my only beef with this bike... They drcided to call it "adventure" and thats why i reviewed it on the channel... As the name emplies, here we care more about off road than other things xD So yeah, great bike, but MEH from my personal perspective ;)
I must say this review has very poor throttle control for off-road. It was not the bikes fault the way he was riding.. Not sure putting on motocross clothes makes him an expert. Very novice rider alert ⚠️ 📢! He could prove more he is a professional. Right now I hardly believe anything he says.
first of all, thank you for commenting! But I'n curious of course... Because some "negative comments" make sense, and people have a point... however yours (especially on this video) dont seem to make any sense. Where/when did you detect such lack of throttle control? Ps: dont forget the bike has traction control that resets itself, so half the times i was riding with it ON. Maybe you just saw the TC doing what it does best: being a nuisance offroad
This guy has rode all the top bikes in the world. Beginners should disregard his review because he's obviously biased towards more high end ones. It's like asking someone who drives a Ferrari what he thinks about a Toyota Corolla
I see your point... but consider this: I am an instructor, and I know perfectly well the difference between a bike that makes your life easier, and a bikes that just gives you the illusion of that. Thats why I recommend the CRF300L to my pupils (a much lower-end bike thant the 390) and not the 390. I am not running around prescribing high-end bikes like KTMs 690, Husqs 701, PR7s and 890s :P 8 out 10 times I really recommend the humble little CRF. I do recommend the 390 sometimes though...to those who are looking for a nice commuter and a simple low-displacement tourer that can do a little bit of off-road.
Awful review it seems to be you have forgotten to stress out this ktm is an adventure not dual sport neither off road type of motorcycle. The moment you mentioned the panel is ok...i mean ok...well is a superb panel bro. Yes the travel suspension is far from being ideal and is the engine of the 390 duke....same happens with the kawasaki 300x adventure has the same engine of the ninja 300, not torque and works at high revs Comparing the390 to other dual sports bikes in terms of travel suspension it made u look bad...nah very bad Iam not a ktm 390 adv fan boy but if u are one that loves electronics and safety gadgets devices this bike is perfect for u.
Hello! Thank you for watching and commenting! The channel is called offroad offcourse, here i evaluate bike's from the offroad perspective, and "adventure" means there is an offroad part to this bike... And i found that part to be underwhelming. From my prespective, and from an offroad lover perspective, this bike simply isnt enough. Its too much like the Duke, it doesnt really bring anything new (or relevant) to the table in my opinion. As for dual-sport vs adventure...there isnt a single bike on the market with the label "dual sport". Not a single sticker saying "dual sport" on any bike. Adventure, trail, dual-sport, maxi-trail, adventure-sports, rally-touring, rally-raid, pro, etc etc... All those names mean what people want to believe they mean... And thats one of the big problems of the market right now. Brands use any name they want, and its up to us to buy the bikes and later figure out what they are good for. The 390 adv... Great bike, no doubt, but not for serious offroad. So not good from my perspective. BUT, i realized today while riding the bike some more that there are good things about this bike that i forgot to mention and I will make a short video this week about that... Following your observation, i will try to talk about the panel a bit more. Thank you for the idea ;)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Thank you for being mature enough to digest any type of ''hard'' non-favorable opinion about your upload. Indeed the KTM 390 adventure is exactly that a capable motorcycle to go the 3 different paths (as you mention in your video) in a acceptable way, with out having to be brilliant in any of those. I have noticed you havent mentioned anything regarding its price (correct me if I am wrong), which is another valuable fact to consider. I do not know how much a brand new ktm cost in the country you live, but I can tell you where I live it does cost a 0 km model 2020 6k usd. At that price, this ktm becomes a bit more as an adventure, haha Their prime competitors in its category are 1) Kawasaky Versys 300x 2) BMW 310 s 3) HRE 400cc adventure style. Amongst the most branded motorcycles Any other type of motorcycle such as a honda crf 300 l or kawasaki klx 300 s both dual sport CAN NOT BE COMPARED with any of the 3 mentioned above as they are REAL Light DUAL SPORT (the HRE may be the closest but its far too heavy!!!!). Their prices (where I live in SE Asia) go around the 4.5 plus to 6.5 k The Honda cbx 500 in my opinion could be added in the group of the 3 mentioned above but its far more expensive almost 8k usd. Final thoughts: to expect the KTM 390 adv to go for tough off road paths will be a mistake, even if one will set a pair of knobies as you did (not light enough, not enough torque but feeling good at high revs, not enough suspension travel, not enough ground clearance, not spoke wheels, not a low compression ratio). Last detail: The KTM 390 adv is produced entirely in INDIA not Austria, by Bajaj. Bajaj has never ever produced a motorcycle for off road. Cheers! Note: the clip where you showed 3 motorcycles being carrying away on the mud by riders by their feet , 2 were naked/sport bikes and the 3rd one an HRE 400CC ADVENTURE (really????)....some bikes can do wonders depends on the rider not their technology and/or off road parts others can look as unsuitable for the terrain if the rider is a newbie.
@@bullsharkdb i agree with what you say. Let me try this weekend to talk about the 390 from a different angle ;) As for the last clip on my video with the "street" bikes going on mud..that was exactly my point! Any bike can do some offroad if you do it carefully enough. Thats why i dont look at the 390 and say "look, it does offroad, so its a good offroad bike". Any bike does a little bit of offroad.. the 390 does a little bit more...but like you said, its far from being "a dual sport". But what is a dual sport? Technically there are no dual sports...the crf300l its no called "crf300l dual sport", the ktm690 is "enduro R", not dual sport...the Tenere 700 doesnt even have "a title", etc etc. There is no official definition to any of these names, and thats a problem :o (A subject for another video xD)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Sure looking forward to your new upload. Regarding the clip my point was even with a capable off road motorcycle as the HRE some riders will struggle, not the opposite 😁😁
Ah yes, but the RE is a bad example of a capable motorcycle. Its about as capable as the 390 :( Did you ever tried a real offroad worthy motorcycle that makes offroad easy, like a CRF300L, a DR350/400/650, a KTM350/450/500/690, a KLX650, etc? Those bikes make offroad easy :D
Well the question is, if you want to do mixed riding involving alot of road, what is your option? I ride my 390 on difficult terrain with guys on T7s and the big difference is when we get in trouble the 390 is alot easier to manhandle. The other difference is £4.5k! The CRF is a dog on road. The himalayan is a tractor, the CBX is even more road oriented than the ktm... and er, that's about all your options unless you spend £9.5k. What do you suggest as an affordable option that has some capability across the field?
"The CRF is a dog on the road. The himalayan is a tractor" - ahahaha :D Loved it man! Well, I don't know what to tell you... the KTM390 is kind of a "70-30" (Onroad-offroad), and the CRF300L is a "30-70". So in their own way, they are both dual-sports/adv bikes, but you have to make a choice. You either have fun "here", or "there". Usually there are no perfect choices...there are no 100-100 bikes, or even 80-80...not yet at least :) I found the 390 too limited offroad for my taste, and thats why I didnt like it. Of course if things go very bad and you have to "manhandle" your bike, its better to push a short 170kg bike (390) than a big 210kg (T7), but 99.5% of time, when you are riding (not pushing/stuck :P) the T7 will outperform the 390 in every way. You can go faster, safer, further, etc etc.... but especially faster :P The 390 can't handle high-speed mistakes (my opinion).
I love the Duke 390. But the Adventure? As you say - more onroad-oriented. Still popular over here, a crowning achievement of KTM's marketing. Not the bike is imperfect, but you ;-) I prefer both Honda CRF 300s and would rather opt for a CF Moto 450 MT. All the best, Günter/Nürnberg
I put 8000km on it, road, off road, commuting, i think the only real problem of this bike are the vibrations. I'm totally satisfied with the rest. I put spoke wheels, some mod to the suspension, protections and it's just fine. If you want more you have to spend a lot more for much heavier bikes ✌️
Hey there! Thanks for watching and for the input! On the road the bike is good, especially considering its a 400cc, not that expensive, etc... But offroad (where it matters to me) the bike felt inadequate. It can do offroad, but its not its environment. It survives it, but it doesnt thrive. Wouldnt you agree? Do you have experience with other bikes offroad?
@@OFFroadOFFcourse the fact is just that, you are an excellent 'off-roader' and of course you appreciate bikes that have greater capabilities than this, but for someone who does not have great demands (like me), does not want to spend a lot, and have a bike that does a bit of everything, I think this 390 is the best the market has to offer. A greeting
I respect all youtubers opinions if their are honest from the test drive they made. I disagree but i respect. Also, you did a great job to inform your public your thoughts. I made the test drive on this bike, and for me is a great bike. But is for me , not for everyone! Abraço!!
I like the review, as my first on road bike, I am awaiting delivery of my new 390 adventure. I was second guessing my choice. I was drawn to the 390 as my starter platform, I like the upright stance, the price was a definite factor. The easy modifications, and it's a KTM. I realistically know I won't be jumping any time soon, and by the time my skills are there I will know what direction to go for an upgrade. Thanks for the review, new subscriber.
Its not a bad bike! Especially not considering the price...it just doesnt take the offroad part of adventure as seriously as i wish it did. Its a 400cc that ends up having little to no advantage over a bigger bike :)
I own this bike (only for another few days....selling it) and I agree and disagree. The onroad comfort is fantastic, even on bad roads....BUT NOT ON TKC80! Who uses rockhard stiff tires designed for extra heavy allroads (gs adventure 1200) on a light bike? That doesn't work. You need flex in your tires and these are for 250kg and up. Wind protection with the high screen is shit (I have the same screen), the original low screen is way better, even if your in the wind there is no turbulence. Quick shifters are designed for racebikes , so work best like this : keep full throttle open and shift through all the gears at redline. Why is it on an adventure bike? Marketing and fun. Why do I sell the bike? Quality, it feels like a cheap piece of garbage. The whole windscreen is attached with one 6mm hex bolt....thats it. Mirrors vibrate off the bike, brakes are incredibly bad, it all feels very cheap.
Hello! Thanks for your input! I am actually preparing a new view (simple one, smaller) to explain a few things a bit better, cause indeed i was a bit too harsh on the bike. Your input on the windscreen will be useful! As for the tires, not all TKCs are the same, there are different weight indexes, and lowering the pressure helps a lot (but in all honesty i didnt check which weight index these ones had). The bike is not bad..but i always look at bikes from the offroad lover perspective, and this one didnt make the cut in my opinion. Its a nice street bike that can go offroad, and i always have a hard time taking that aproach seriously (but thats unfair, and thats why i want to make a 2nd video "apologising" :D) Anyway, thanks for watching and commenting!
I am 66 years old, been riding all my life, member of the iron butt association. for me at my stage of life, I like my 2023 390 adventure. put 400 miles on it yesterday, had a good time.
Hell yeah.. I miss this heheheheeh Why do you apologize for the sand storms, are you God?🤣 Is a nice desert touch to the video. About the review buddy, as usual you are just amazing brutal honest, and that is priceless. I do agree with the expensive fancy electric gadgets being a waste of money and just not allowing to explore the maximum of this machines. Good for unconfident riders 😂 Cheers from hell bro. 🤘
in us i put 12k miles in 2 years I knew it was a duke with some mods for dirt It rocks on tight twisty roads The best bike on that type of roads that i have ridden in to date Dirt roads it solid but not the best like to have 21 front but good On easy single track okay I feel it is a great little cheap bike with great mpg and solid on back road bike I raced KTM 300EX No comparison But for me i like it much better than my KLR 650 ALL bikes have pros and con For the type of roads and trails i feel its good at Im very happy and recommend
I have one. It’s pretty good for what it is and if you ride it within its capabilities. I commute with mine and do gravel/dirt roads. It does great for that kind of riding. The traction control is stupid, there’s no reason to have it, if you pull out of a driveway or whatever quickly the traction control with kick in and tell you no because it’s lean angle sensitive. That’s really my only complaint. Just don’t think it’s a dirtbike and it’ll do well I think
I am not against the traction control existing (because it saves lives on the road, right?), I am against forcing me to turn it off every 5minutes when I take my adventure bike offroad. As a matter of fact KTM actually changed this "forced" MTC and ABS on the new 2022 model. Same for the Norden 901, 890, etc... When you go offroad you usually dont go for 1Km...you go half a day, or a full day, or a full weekend. If every single time you turn off the bike (which is literally every 10min if you are in a group) you have to spend 10 seconds minding the computer, it sucks!...even worse, if you forget to turn off the MTC, you will end up crashing on a turn (which was EXACTLY what happened to the owner of this give...he gave me the bike for 2 months cause he broke both wrists thanks to the MTC)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse I’ve done100km stretches of tarmac at 110kph on the EXC 450F and it’s surprisingly acceptable (if you ignore the horrid wear on your favourite off road tyres and mousses )
Lots of gadgets for a small bike. All those riding aids are highly annoying and by law they have to reset when the ignition comes on. How did you get it running with the headlight off? Or maybe it just looked off in the video… I’ll stick to my XTZ for now. 65k kms and runs like new.
I am so glad I watched your review…. 2 years after I got the my 390 Adventure, that is, maybe is not the bike, it is your size, I replaced the stock windshield with the 790 one, and I am happy with the wind protection on the Highway at 140 mph. I do live at the end of a 1 mile narrow and bad maintained dirt road where I used my previous 390 Duke, no comparison on suspension and grind clearance, of course I am not competing on the way to my home,and not young also. so it is a much better bike for me.
SOOO TRUUUEEEE! Against all the fake reviews in YTΙ ve tested once...the engine was awaking at 5000rpm! the suspensions were stiff! So much electronics... i really didnt like it at all. And a blind man can see its low ground clearance and its low travel suspensions.. Alloy, wheels...no dirt at all...
It is what it is, 80%on 20%off, I enjoy riding it up twisty roads and taking some gravel roads to the top of the mountain. You won’t judge a R1 by its off road capabilities or a EXC by its on track capabilities… It’s all a trade, you put on longer and softer suspensions you won’t enjoy as much the road. And cmon man… no bike besides a gold wing has a shield higher than your head… I thing you’re judging it as a “bad” bike based on things that are built just the way ktm wanted it to be, you not liking them doesn’t mean they’re wrong.
I agree with you 100%. My main complaint is actually clearance. As for the rest of its flaws, they are all due to the fact that this is a road bike modified for some off-road. This is the problem of the 390. It does drive nice though winding pavement road, mainly because it is a road bike.
And one day he was back! And he brought back with him his dotation of "meh", now accompanied by "rraaarghgrarghbb". Thank you for the silly laughs, and the (as expected) brutally honest review, and the education on electronic aides for caveman-mechanics inclined people like me. Hey, quick question: what is that number under your channel's name?
Welcome back Cambag! :D To he honest, i think i was a bit too harsh on the bike...this weekend i will say a few more words, looking at the bike from a slightly less negative perspective :D 10k subs! Cant believe it... Its unbelievable i actually got this far, when i didnt know the first thing about youtube 2 years ago :o Thank you for being here ^^
Well, when someone markets a motorcycle as "adventure" but then puts the exhaust and engine case as the lowst part of the bike, you basically know what you are buying. If you plan to take this on an adventure you better get a pack of JB-Weld... or 25...
I've been looking at this as my first adventure bike. after seeing your review, I have to ask, is there any other bike in this class and purpose that does what this bike should do better?
The 390 is a very nice bike but not a very good "offroad tool". Its like a small city SUV, sure it offers a bit more off road capacity than a 100% dedicated city bike, but it wont be an easy bike or a fast motorcycle if you try to use it in anything more complicated than a simple forest trail ☺️ A lot of people in a lot of countries dont need anything more than this, and there is nothing wrong with that :p Anyway, if on the other hand your goal is to use it offroad a lot, and if you aspire to be "one of those guys", then a better tool would be a dual sport, like a CRF300L, or the 300Rally, or the Voge 300, or perhaps something older like a DRZ400, dr350se, ttr250, KLX650C, DR650, KLR650, etc. I hope i helped :)
“But as we say in Portugal, ‘It’s enough of hitting the little blind man.’” LOL! Great review and truly Brutally honest. You earned a sub…partially because I’m loving the virtual tour I get of your beautiful country with your reviews…and mostly because of really Good production. 👍👍
I own the husqvarna 401 (same engn¡ine and suspension) and yeah, the bike is crazy stiff, only with low tire pressures and a passenger does it feel kinda nice, it´s too good for its own sake. I would preffer worse suspension like 41mm forks, however, I have bent the spoked tires many times so the cast wheels actually make sense
Ahaha, thanks! This weekend i will release a smaller video kind of explaining things a bit better. I dont regret anything i said, but i was a bit unfair in the way i said it..maybe. this weekend i make some amends :D
What is always interesting to me is that by comparison to the larger 890 and 1290 adv bikes, people much more often point out the cast rims on this bike as being an issue whereas the much larger and heavier bikes also come with the same rims.
Hello! Thanks for watching and commenting, but I think you are mistaken! The "adv/offroad" versions of the 890/1290 come with normal spoked rims. But regarding this topic, I didnt really feel that the cast rims on the 390 were the real problem...you have to ride the bike "carefully" anyway, so no problem having slightly less resistant/flexible wheels. To be honest it never crossed my mind while riding it that the wheels were not the usual spoked type =)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Yup. I was more so referring to the S version of the bigger brother bikes. But yeah if you're not doing anything crazy the rims aren't an issue. Maybe there will eventually be an R version that addresses some of the offroading issues!
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It is still probably the only adv bike that I can pick up from the ground while riding alone fully packed... And this is a big plus!
versys 300x
@@takjaknigdy they don't even sell those where I live. 😁 I would avoid it anyway, the KTM lacks on some points but the versys300 is so "meh..."
@@PumpkinOnWheels the versys is much smoother, reliable and comfortable, also much much better offroad.
@@hbsupermage Don't take me wrong but the fact you repeat the word much on bikes that are not that different, knowing the Versys suspension can't be adjusted as the KTM can, less torque and more weight kinda leads me to think your opinion is biased and/or you are not doing the same kind of off road I am doing. I mean, I understand some ppl will prefer one over the other, no issue with that, ppl like and value different things but saying one is much much better on basically everything I just don't think it is true. Now on the reliability part, I agree with you there!! 😅 I got stuck on same rocky situations, alone and with a loaded bike, I already had to burn some clutch to get out, I can imagine how worse would it be with what? 2/3 of the torque?
I love this bike for exactly what it is not. Obviously a bike with a 19" front wheel and less than 7" suspension travel is not intended to be an "Off Road" bike. It is intended to be a back road, gravel/dirt road travel bike, and for that it works absolutely awesome, especially given the features and price point. As a senior (almost 62) and having ridden all my life, including competing in countless enduros, I speak from experience. I have hardly ridden my 1090R since getting the 390. Lot's of people like the DR650 as a light adventure bike. The only thing this bike gives up to that is suspension travel and ground clearance. The 390 is faster than a DR, has well over 200 mile range with stock tank, and unlike the DR the stock suspension is quite good. Oh, and it's fuel injected, has off road ABS, a power port, wind screen, and is comfortable and will cruise all day long at 70. My only significant complaint is that traction control cannot be defaulted to off. Other than that, I think the gearing might work better with one tooth less on the front since it's sometimes difficult to get the back to break loose and slide, so I intend to try that when the time comes. This bike is in a category of it's own, and I like that.
@@lappi_wojak sounds to me like he has what he wants and as a motorcycle rider and enduro racer for many years I'm sure he has tested many bikes before settling on the 390.
Hey, thanks for the long comment! (And for taking interest in my video :) )
The ktm390 has lots of nice things that will please a lot of people... But here in Portugal we have limitless offroad trails of all kind, and i didnt like the way the 390 handles on some of them. On easy stuff is good enough, sure, but any bike kinda is.. but when things get slightly gnarlier it just behaves like a dishwasher with a handlebar... Its my opinion, its worth what it is worth.. :p
In my defense, there is a video of Chris Birch riding the 390, and you can clearly see that he is struggling... The guy that flies with grace and apparent ease on a 1290 or a 890 then is huffing and puffing to ride the 390 on the same kind of trails.. and you can clearly he is basically braking the bike in half trying to ride it fast.
I'm 62 and have the Duke 390 2021 model and I can't believe how good it is. It's a joy to ride.
Totally correct. I look at mine as a 390 Duke “GT” and through that lens, it’s a blinder! Mostly road, longer range tank, more comfortable, adjustable suspension, standard 12V output… and remember, if you bugger off in a direction, on somewhere you’ve never been, it’s still a bloody adventure😁 people get hung up on the “adventure” tag… people crap on and say …”It’s only an adventure bike if it can do off road as well” Mate. You have a Dual Sport😂 if anyone has seen C90 Adventures, I dare anyone to say he didn’t turn a C90 into an “adventure” bike😉
I think he summed it up nicely. The only thing this bike is meant to be is another way to milk adventure riders by selling them a product you already have with as little costly modifications as possible.
But if you enjoy it, then its the right bike for you :)
As a KTM 390 ADV owner, I completely agree with this review. I am from Kentucky originally and grew up riding 2 cycle dirt bikes, mopeds, scooters, etc. I'm 49 now and owning a road bike was on my bucket list. I am 6'5 and 240lb. I live about 10 miles from Cleveland, OH for the last 25 years. I consider myself a novice and got my temporary license in October 2022. It's at least 1-2 hours before I can reach a public unimproved/dirt road. I wish cruise was an option! As a tall rider, this bike fits me extremely well and only changed the seat, footpegs, windshield and mirrors to improve the ergonomics for my stature. I like the speed shift mostly for downshifting as it is rough 1st to 2nd gear unless you're into the throttle hard. I get 70 mpg average; I'm older now and not going as fast as I used to:) This bike also has a two year 18,000 mile warranty >I've not seen that mentioned around the interwebs. The buld quality/materials on this bike are of poor quality. Brake levers and mirror adjustment hardware are cheap metal that strip easily. Aftermarket parts are readily available both domestic and international. I have found the bike easy to work on/accessorize as the farings come off easily (added Oxford heated grips >$88 on Amazon). I bought a radiator and headlight protector on ebay for $65. Hepco and Becker Alumrack pannier and rear rack for $235 shipped. Hepco and becker refurbished 30L junior panniers for $235 shipped. For under $1000 I rigged the bike quite well and significantly improved the ergonomics. The KTM dealer network is robust in the area>break in service at 1000k/660 miles was $267! In all I do feel this is a good bike for a beginner. I can definitely see an experienced rider taking this bike off road and identifying many shortcomings, however, as a newer rider I felt this bike matched my situation well >80% road 20% off road>just like the Continental tires that come on the bike from the factory. I hope I can one day ride in Portugal!!!
Glad to see u back here. Cannot appreciate more a review when it is honest as it is the only review worth of its name. 👍🏻🙂
I think this might be the best review so far. Glad to see your review very balanced from fellow dual sport soul. I just compared the 390ADV to the Freewind 650. We know which is better ;)
Thank you Johannes! I know a lot of people dont agree, but i am sincere. Maybe wrong, who knows?... But sincere 😃
@@OFFroadOFFcourse sincere and on point. We must always remember how much our confirmation bias affects us.
I suggest a take on your do it all unicorn 🦄 PR7, CRF300L or 500 EXC? 😉
Just bought a used CB500F, thank you for validating my purchase as I compared it heavily with the 390 Duke/Adventure lineup :)
How is it man
@@KunalMukherjee3701 Absolutely great. All the reviews on UA-cam helped a lot, it is exactly what I was expecting it to be. $3200 used and I'll put new tires on it and a few accessories to bring it back to fresh OEM spec. I think it's a good overall value proposition.
Not to mention it handles the highway better than I expected. 80mph not a problem.
@@drewmorg. got a good deal for $3200
Heeey, you are welcome, hehe :p
Thanks for watching!
Your complaint about the quick shifter doesn't make sense to me. The point of a quick shifter is to be able to shift while accelerating hard and not have to lift off the throttle to maximize acceleration. Not for putting around at slow speed in low revs. If you don't want to ever clutch, buy a scooter
Edit: you should also be comparing this bike more to other smaller displacement adventure bikes like the Versys 300X, BMW 310 or the CBX500 rather than the smaller offroad focused dual sports when looking at the travel. Its an adv bike, not a dual sport. In this category, the travel it has makes more sense. If you were expecting this to be a dual sport then I understand your disappointment here, but it being an adventure bike should have been obvious
I have the 890 S model and want a second bike that is more capable of highway miles to get to the trails, than my KLX300 dual sport. I think you've shown me that the DR 650 is probably the way to go as I've been thinking about the DR for quite some time now.
Well done.
Gr8 Video man! So funny to see the Hayabusa doing it's off road trek day! :) This has inspired me to think about getting a wee Honda cb300r and taking it across the Scottish Highlands, and perhaps even the Himalayas
ahaha, thank you man! Consider the honda Grom :D
Well the Grom would shave 30 kilos so it could well be a candidate but maybe not for the highway. After seeing that Hayabusa I could compromise by riding a Ninja 400 over some Scottish Mountain goat tracks :) @@OFFroadOFFcourse
@@vincentjohnston8789 ahaha, brilliant xD
I think that the cast aluminum wheels, the tires (19-17), and obviously the suspension travel (17-17.7) don't help at all and it's difficult to understand why KTM took this decision. My ideal ADV bike should be around 500cc, weight around 150kg, suspension travel front/rear around 25cm, tires front/rear 21/18, spoked wheels. Then I don't know whether or not it exists. I struggled with a BMW 1150 GS ADV that weighed 270kg! With my offroad skill (none), I found myself almost always in trouble. Anyway I saw someone using that bike like a normal light dirt bike... OK, he is Superman and I am Goofy, so no chance. Thank you Diogo for your nice and funny videos!
You just described the perfect bike... 500cc/150kg/21"-18"... but unfortunately we dont have that yet.
Whell, there is the 500EXC, but thats a "performance dual-sport", 80% Enduro bike, 20% dual sport.
What we need is a lightweight twin-cilinder 500cc... and I would be happy with ~175kg. I think asking for 150kg is too greedy (but it would be perfect of course :P)
The AJP PR7 although an 650cc. Some reviews have called it an Unicorn
You described a CRF450 Rally, if Honda will ever make one. But for now, one would need to make do with CRF300 Rally
Thanks for the honest review! And congrats on the 10k subs!!!
Thank you for this review, it helped me decide and go for the CB500X. I'm a beginner rider semi retired looking tonride in Namibia next winter.
Probably a better choice honestly :o
Way more comfortable on the road at least :)
Quite the opposite of my crf250l. Yesterday I was riding dirt roads on farm land its squishy suspension was just swallowing every bump at 70km/h.
That was made for that...
Get a new shock then
I love your honesty in this video, it’s very refreshing. So I’m thinking about buying a KTM 390, but with this video in mind, I am wondering what bike would you recommend that this one it trying to be in the same sort of size and price range. As tested, I want this for all, including commuting, city riding and of course off road/green laning.
Hey David... this is a great bike that "can do it all" as long as your focus is not the off-road bits.
It will still let you go places, greenlaning, etc etc... but it will do it rather poorly, and you have to sort of nurse her through the rough bits.
I really enjoyed the CRF300L (also a great commuter, but way worse "tourer" than the KTM) and the Fantic Caballero Rally (way better off-road and sort of the same on-road as the KTM390)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Thank for the reply. I had a Beta XTrainer 300 2 stroke last time and it did more than I ever could. I’m just wondering if the KTM will leave me wanting. I am actually also currently looking at the CRF300L you mentioned, but they are pretty scarce in the UK right now. There are also no demo bikes available, but I’m thinking it will definitely be closer to the Beta. The Beta however was definitely not commute friendly. 😂
I payed the full price of this bike today and waiting for shipment, 2022 version. I’ve been using honda forza 250 for 3 years and thinking this will be proper step up and introduction to off road. I’m bummed that you didn’t liked it
Hey, a lot of people disagree with me on this one, and i am not surprised since the expectations for an adventure bike are very different. I REALLY like offroad, so when i choose an adv bike i really need it to perform, i cant be a street bike that survives a bit of offroad here and there...
What i mean to say is: the ktm390 isnt bad, it just isnt for me :)
It will be way better than the forza 250 though :p
It's such a shame, but I suspect the engineers knew exactly what they were doing... Avoiding canabilising the sales of the 890 ADV with a lighter bike that has similar capabilities.
Any idea if the Colove 450 Rally is coming your direction? I'd love to see your thoughts on it!
I know it's being released in the US and UK under the GPX marquee, not sure which other countries it's headed.
No need to pull a BMW
hey man, thanks for the comment! I really think the fear of canabilising their sales of the bigger bikes is their greatest fear :o
I am still in doubt if the colove will be a purely competition oriented bike or something that the "common rider" can use a his adventure workhorse :D
@@OFFroadOFFcourse It's a real pity, the small ADV bike market is severely lacking... With any luck the 490 Adventure comes along from KTM soon and isn't priced ridiculously or with "pay to unlock" features. The specs of the engine (currently in the CFMoto 450 SR) are quite promising.
There have been 3 variants of the Colove 450 Rally annouced by GPX, ranging from competition only through standard to standard lowered. So there's hope that they're aiming at more average riders alongside competition. Projected to be landing in the UK and US early next year... Something to keep an eye on :-)
Thanks for the reply 🙌
I was really hoping to like this bike. Too bad, but thankfully we have your great reviews to steer us clear of the bad eggs! Thanks!
Hehe...but its not a bad egg, its just not an offroad worthy adventure egg :D
Its a fine bike overall ;)
Definitely an entry level little adventure for someone that feeds itself more from the love to it's bike than it's capabilities, like most of us Jaja.., it still a good bike for it's intended purpose,
Thanks for the good review
Cheers
No, it's a road bike disguised.
At the first dirt road with rocks anywhere you'll explode the engine. The cast wheels won't make eight days in any fast bumpy dirt road destroyed by the trucks. Yoy'll cry in mud. It's a very bad bike for entry level adventure as you'll be fed up in two days after breaking everything and you won't learn anything about off road driving.
I agree...its a fun little bike, but not "enough" for the offroad oriented person.
If you want to ride on the road and then from time to time explore a simple trail, than its perfect! why not?
But if you have a group of friends that often go offroad, if you watch channels like mine, if you want to improve offroad riding skills etc etc, then I think this is not a good option. Its too limiting.
Its like trying to eat rice with chopsticks. Definitely possible and very well documented...but why would you do it? xD
Very interesting review! I'm looking for a bike for everyday use (commuter), including city riding, that's light (maximum 180kg), with reasonable power (at least 40hp) and some light off-road capability. From my research, the KTM 390 Adventure and Triumph Scrambler 400 X stand out. Then there are others like the Honda CB/NX 500, the CD Moto MT 450 or the new RE Himalayan, which are heavier but fulfil the other requirements. What do you think would be the best option? Cheers
If off-road is just a "side note", than I see no problem on the KTM390, really. Specially the 2020+ models :)
All the bikes you mentioned are very interesing (i never tested the Scrambler 400, the MT450 or the NX500), so all could be good choices depending on the type of rider you are. The twin cilinders (mt450, nx500) will feel heavier but definitely be better for long range touring...the other ones will be better around town, some offroad, etc etc. You have to try them yourself at this point :)
At least the Hima has the "Indiana Jones"-factor while the 390 seem to lack any sort of charisma. Here in the deserts and mountains of the Southern Andes we need capable and light dual sport bikes to make an adventure.
Great and honest review like always.
exactly light DUAL SPORTS bikes...the ktm is not a dual sport hence awful review..its an adventure bike
There are tons of adventure bikes that pass the offroad test. They are heavy, big, most riders won't be able to use them offroad, but THEY COULD:
Africa twin 1100/1000, ktm 890/990/1090/1190/1290, T7, T7+, GS1200/1250, Triumph Tiger, Norden, etc etc...
So, adventure bikes are supposed to be good ENOUGH offroad. This 390adv is a lightweight Adv bike, should be very very easy offroad, and its not. When an "adventure bike" only offers the illusion, not the real thing, then I call it Meh.
Its not a terrible bike this 390... its simply way to "meh" offroad for KTM to proudly call it an ADV. They know how to make adv bikes... this one is not one of those.
i agree with the Indiana Jones thing, Urs :D
I think your interpretation of Adventure is skewed. Adventure could mean a lot of different things to different people, and it doesn't mean enduro type riding. For it's price it's very good, but never meant to compete with full enduro type machines. Adventure also doesn't have to be the really rough stuff, and for your information, my wife spend 10,000 ks riding most of the terrain I did on my KTM 790 Adventure R, this with no issues. This included rocky mountain passes, long dirt roads, and some sand.
Hope your readers take whatever you said with a pinch of salt🤔
First of all, great review as usual. Thanks! In my opinion the new design of the KTMs is dam ugly (but maybe that’s just me) The 790/890 Engines are made in China and the 390 are completely made in India or Philippines. Don’t get me wrong, that is totally ok. But not as long they claim to be a European brand with the European price tag on the bikes.
From my perspective, price tag for 390 is quite reasonable. At least where I live, 390 duke is probably the best value-for-money you can get in the new bikes market. ADV version could've cost $300-500 less, but I still cannot say it's overpriced.
The 890 engine isn't made in China yet. Though they had plans too it hasn't happened yet. Still built in Austria.
@@Mightycaptain Every bloody thing is made in China, what's the problem if it works and has the backing and warranty of KTM?
@@mookyzook i was correcting the original poster who said the 890 engine was made in China. Not whether that mattered.
I agree! Its good bang for the buck nevertheless!... not if you actually want a good offroad bike. But for a "all rounder" that can ride a dirt road from time to time, yeah, good bang for the buck definitely!
Tried the bike some time ago and felt quite the same, especially regarding the stiffness. So my overall impression wasn't that positive, but as always, it depends on taste. Great review!
Same thing here after testing it a few days ago. Looking for something lighter then the gs1200...
@@pk19000 Maybe try out the Aprilia Tuareg 660 :)
I completely agree also ryan F9 made a similar review. I wanted so much to like this bike because I love the big 790R and 890R but it’s not a smaller version of that. It’s actually the bigger version of a duke and that just doesn’t do it for me. For this bike to be really off-roadble you have to add bar raisers, spoke wheels, new pegs and a little bit shorter gearing by the time you are done upgrading you realize you could buy a used T7 for that price and that’s what I did. Do I miss the 30kg difference? Not really I already dropped the T7 a couple times and was relatively easy to pick up.
The new 2024 390 duke is a big improvement and so will the corresponding 390 adventure be, but we have to wait until 2025 for it 😢
I am eager to try it!
do you have a review on the honda cb500x?
Hey there! No, I am sorry :(
Not yet... I didnt even try one yet :o
There was too much hype anticipating the 390... KTM could build a dual sport around that engine but they won't, cause it would cannibalize sales of more expensive bikes.
That is exactly what i think, and thats why i was so harsh on the 390adventure. Its not a bad bike..but its not the bike we wanted :/
I will make a video this weekend explaining exactly that ;)
Well said. Enjoyed the review. Cheers!
A bit too harsh...poor bike :D
This weekend i will explain a few things a bit better, the bike deserves it
@@OFFroadOFFcourse I do not think it was harsh. Sometimes facts can come across as hard. And this hard truth you speak is what I like about your channel. Cheers!
Maybe one day some manufacturer will make a bike to replace my DR 650 but I doubt it, not in the days of emission control and hi tech.
A simple easy bike to work on, lightish weight, practical and reliable, and most importantly, cheap.
I thought my T7 would be the answer but it is heavy and a simple thing like changing spark plugs is a time consuming nightmare.
You are like Jeremy Clarkson from top gear, thank you, great job.
Eh Pah!!!! Nice videos!
You kinda gave it away at 'Meh', but I watched anyway. Meh! Can't wait for the mythical ktm 490 Adv; on paper it could be the perfect ADV bike (Are you listening Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suzuki and Honda).
PS: Diogo, I recently updated my suspension and used your vids to check and set sag. Brilliant, thanks!
Hey Lou, thanks for watching (again) and commenting :D
I am glad my videos make sense to you and that you can find them useful! I am also very curious for the 490.... I've always wanted to see a lightweight twin cilinder... lets hope its really lighweight. If its more than 180kg wet, I will consider it a fail (or at least just another bike, special like all the others xD)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Yeah! If it's true they're shifting production to China....well....it's gonna be made out of ...LEAD!
Let’s hope for an R version. Spy shots have shown it, hopefully it’s not a dead end like the 490 line.
I've been seeing those spy shots for at least 2 years.... Honestly, I am not holding my breath any more :/
I will say I agree with you on a lot of what you touched on. I feel like they could have done better. Don't get me wrong I still enjoy it but even for this being my first bike I'm already interested in finding something better.
Thanks for commenting (and agreeing!).
Its not a bad bike indeed, but something a bit better was expected, especially on the offroad department :o
@@OFFroadOFFcourse it will Cruise dirt roads just fine and it does perfectly fine with what it's intended to be used for. I think a little more suspension travel would have done this bike well.
@@turbolag5107 agree 200%. Only a couple extra cm, to really set it apart from the duke :)
Okay, you made me laugh and got my thumbs up. "Coming from a huge bike this one feels nimble maybe" part. :)
Also great suspension comparison. I am thinking about the DRS400SM (put some dirt tires on it as is, or swap rims with dirt tires if wanted) and you see the DRZ400 is at the top of your chart. Telling!
Awesome review. Had me laughing hard
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Just read thoughts of the 62 younger rider who had an Enduro background. My off road was varied but loved his opinion. My thought is as it wears parts are high buck. For that reason a hard pass but a decent effort KTM.
you arre right! indian bike for indian market. standing position? sucks right?
Actually I was expecting worse! The standing position is not THAT bad... How tall are you? 1.80m here
Lol. You are complaining about the suspension as you're going over cobblestone.
Yeah... that was the first sign they would be terrible on offroad, if they can't even handle cobblestone in an acceptable manner... :/
Look up Chris Birch on the 390 Adventure, he is an able rider, not mediocre..
Yeah, i saw the video.. but i dont really understand your point :o
Even Chris struggled with this bike...only a VERY good rider could do what he did with the 390...and he (and the bike) are clearly struggling...
Poor bike...there is a scene where he jumps over a rock, i thought the bikr would break in 2. it hurts just to look at :D
...and, in the end of the day, we cant forget he has been sponsored by ktm for like 10years. He couldnt just say "this is a stupid bike for offroad, dont buy it!" :P
...maybe thats why he didnt even do a proper review, just a small test drive with no comments... cause he didnt want to lie and didnt have a anything too great to say :o
@@OFFroadOFFcourse I ride with CRF250L , CRF300L, CB500X, RE Himalayan those bikes can not keep up with the KTM 390 Adventures, The KTM is faster on gravel, sand and single tracks.
Because it has way better suspension, brakes and power than the bikes mentioned above, and it is so much more fun to ride.
Only complains I have is that it should have had spoked wheels, one piece seat and a better skid plate.
But that is all remedied with aftermarket parts.
PS
the Honda riders here are selling their bikes and get 390'salso.
@@DigiMannen i am sorry man, but i dont believe for a second the ktm390 is faster than a 300L on any serious offroad trail. On a flat gravel road sure...on a sandy (not too deep) road, maybe, sure... But thats basically unpaved road, not "offroad"..with rocks, and holes and ruts, etc...
I dont want to call you a liar, but i dont think we are talking about the same kind of "offroads".
And im not talking just out of my ass... I have tried all the bikes you mentioned, and seen them ride quite often (my friends have/had them).
@@OFFroadOFFcourse If you are a mediocre rider the Honda CRF300L might be easier in slow speeds, but the suspension sucks big time, and the engine is very anemic on power, half than the KTM 390, the KTM ABS offroad mode is way better than on the Honda, the slipper clutch have better set up on the KTM also.
If you can not ride faster on the KTM than the Honda CRF then you are a mediocre rider.
@@DigiMannen i guess i am a mediocre rider then. I wont argue with that.
Anyway, thanks for watching and commenting!
Até compreendo as tuas críticas à mota, mas quanto ao quickshifter não fazem muito sentido, dado que esse dispositivo é consabidamente eficaz apenas em rotações mais elevadas, basta perceber um pouco de mecânica para entender que assim é, logo usá-lo em baixas não faz sentido
Epa pois, entao é uma beca "meh" xD
Ou me posso esquecer da embraiagem ou nao posso...nao podem haver "às vezes sim às vezes nao".
Na duke ou numa R de 150 cavalos ate podia aceitar q o quickshift so funcionasse em altas...mas numa motinha de cidade e mini aventura, que sentido faz? Metade da vida é em baixas rotaçoes e nas voltinhas..
Nao disse que era uma m*rda, disse que era meh :D
Obrigado por veres o video e pelo comentário ;)
@Get não eh bem assim, tive um QS em uma F800R e era mesmo excelente para trocar em baixas quando estava a passear pela cidade.... se for bem implementado, funciona em qualquer situação.
Phenomenal review. Also you’re friggin hilarious. MEHH 😆
Ahah, thanks man! Itl try xD
So, in conclusion: "MEH" XD... When are you doing an Aprilia Tuareg review?
I'd love to, but there aren't many around yet :o
Excelente
Are you serious???? Did you use TC in offroad? 😂😂😂😂 No no you can't be real, it is specifically explicated that in offroad you must off it and abs
an honest review ....
I try :p
Thanks for watching!
Meh
KTM...meh . Quanto as ajudas eletrônicas eu resumo : se aprendeste a andar antes delas aparecerem estás safo, caso contrário não te metas a conduzir uma R1 das antigas ou coisa do gênero 😄
Opa, em certas motos fazem sentido, e em certas motos/marcas elas realmente funcionam bem!
Estas da 390 são mesmo uma treta... até na estrada sao chatas (se a estrada for como as ruas de m**** da minha cidade xD)
I will be sticking to my Himalayan - thanks for the MEH!
Overall i found the himalayan a more reasonable bike. But maybe mostly because i had such big expectations towards ktm :(
@@OFFroadOFFcourse yes I am continually underwhelmed by my Himalayan :-)
Enjoyed the review, it’s nice to hear differing opinions. Knox Armour and ADV Matt have pretty great reviews for this bike and really put it through its paces. It’s well worth the money in my opinion with everything it comes with and the list is long. I have one in the US and use it to mostly ride OHV mountain trails in Colorado. It’s a fantastic bike that can comfortably get you to an off-road trail, ride the trail, and then get you home. I don’t think there’s another adventure bike that comes from the factory at this price point with this much capability and amount of features.
Thanks a lot for the comment!
Even without agreeing, you respected my opinion, which is uncommon nowadays :D
It has a lot of features, i agree...and its not very expensive... My real complaint is that its not different enough from the duke to really deserve the "adventure" label (especially considering its a ktm, with such a legacy of capable adv bikes) name. In other words If it was called "KTM 390 Adventure-Duke" or something like that my review would have been completely different :D
There are a lot of factors that make a motorcycle fit for an individual. One, you have to be completely realistic about what you're going to do with the bike. In actuality, people often don't make the correct choices for what they actually need, just what they want or what they imagine the bike will do. I've made this mistake myself. Most have.
ADV Pulse has a great review of this bike as do ADV Matt and Knox. Most people don't need more bike, I likely don't need my R1200GS due to the reality I don't have the time or money to go on epic ADV rides out West. A 390 would likely do well for me and most people. The general trend is heading to smaller mid range bike. The ,market has big bore price, fatigue, people are just not interested in pay the prices anymore.
This bike has been tested and recommended for general off road use. It's built at a price point and likely the most feature rich bike in that range. Spec sheet wise nothing else offers what this bike has.It's not going to be perfect for a specific task, but good enough for a broad range of them. People that are going to really do dual sport are going to get a bike specific to the task.
@@ijaxon6675 I agree with almost everything! :D
From my perspective, even with lower tech, the CRF300L (or the Rally) is a better bang for the buck option for the adventurer that really wants some offroad freedom.
Tke 390 is a street bike that can withstand a bit of offroad, the crf300 is a "soft dirt bike" that will whithstand the road for how long as you need (especially the raly version...thats quite a comfortable bike!) Have you tried it?
Objection! At this price point and category, I'd rather take the Versys-X 300. It just seems like a way better accomplished product than the dukeventure. Plus, once ready to go, they weight about the same, so why bother with a buzzy single cylinder when you can get a smooth long-lasting parallel twin? It's only plus is that it has electronics. Which seems to be the only good/bad point in all of KTM bike range. So if you like electronic assists, keep your KTM, if not then better get a Versys.
@@Davmm96 the 390ADV is on the ok side of buzzy single. Less buzz than a 690 Enduro, zippy around town but a bit gutless at higher speed. The CRF300L is less buzzy but also slower. But the weight makes up for it. Also less Buzzy is a DR650.
The sporttouring footpegs on the 390ADV and awful wind buffeting is my main complaint.
A stroked 390 to 490cc and make it a naked enduro version we might have a one bike unicorn 🦄
I have a 2022 KTM 390 Adventure and love it! It is everything I wanted in a small ADV. . With a few mods this little thing can and will surprise most the ADV riders out there. Its light nimble and so much fun on and off road. I am so impressed with this bike, cant wait to hit the trails again. Have fun and be safe.
Have a 23 Versys 650, fantastic bike for highways back roads and smooth dirt roads , but a 17 inch front wheel and steering geometry , suspension set up , limits its off road capabilities …but its biggest issue is the 210kg wet weight , which is a lot lighter than so called mid sized adventure bikes.
If you can’t pick up a bike if you drop it miles from anywhere in the dirt , and you are riding solo, what you gonna do?
So I get anxious when a smooth dirt road , gets muddy , just in case I drop it with the nervous 17 inch front tyre.
I fitted Pirelli Trail max 2…it makes a big difference , but still not an off road bike , an off road bike needs a 21 inch front wheel and should be less than 160 kg wet.
Hey Diogo, I thought we were going to have to send the search party out to come and look for you, but I'm please to see you're OK.
Great review, very honest.
I like the 390 Adventure,
A. Because its a KTM and I bleed orange blood.
B. Because the 390 Adventure makes sense on paper.
But you're review highlights all its failings which you wouldn't know about until you'd bought one.
I think my modified XT660R is safe for quite some time yet 👍
Hey Nick! Yeah keep the XT!...the more I test modern bikes the more I appreciate my own :D
I will mmake a few videos shortly on this subject ^^
Ah, and thank you for considering getting the search party! ahaha
"It's as tall as my neeeples!" is my new catch-phrase.
Excellent & honest review. I own a 2020 390 AdV, Tiger 800 & KTM 690 and the 390 is my bike of choice for Adv off-road biking. Firstly my 390 hardly resembles what I bought: added spoke wheels, hand guards, seat concept, wider straight foot pegs, akrapovic exhaust & Rekluse clutch. Bike has an incredible engine which comes alive with high revs. It has a very low Centre of gravity which makes it an absolute blast in off-road conditions. Just came back from an extreme off-road trail in Lesotho which is as a 500km trip.
Wow, i woudl like to know more about that! Why woudln't you use the 690 for that sort of extreme off road stuff? It sounds like the right tool for the job :o And how come you still like my review? :P
I cannot really refute anything you said, especially the wind protection, but you can have a ton of fun with this bike off-road. I do and my legs are too short to paddle walk it so that's not the reason 🤣 - Frank
Of course you can have fun... Its not a bad bike! I think in the end I just felt disapointed with KTM :o They know how to make proper adventure bikes with true offroad capacity... :(
I put KAPPA710DTK windscreen on my 390 (I think it's a bit taller and wider then the one you tested), and for me it was enough to get decent wind protection. But I'm 176 cm tall, and for somebody taller when 180 it won't be enough.
I also geared it up a bit, and it was enough to cut number of gear switches needed while city comuting in half. It also made long-range cruising a bit more fuel efficient. When I'm not trying to get somewhere fast and just cruising (85-90 km/h) I can get less when 3 litres per 100 km, which I think is impressive by itself, and provides 400+ km range. Unfortunately, when I start riding highway speeds (130+) - fuel consumption almost doubles : ( .
For off-road part, I completely agree with you. In fact, my modifications made it even less off-roady, but for me - it's fine, I'm only using it for light off-roading anyway.
Still, it would be nice to have a bit more ground clearance, for me the bike is quite high, but the only benefit I'm getting from this height is good situation awareness in traffic.
Also, if you're going to ride with the passenger - passenger seat should be replaced, stock seat is just horrible. Comfort seat from KTM works fine, maybe where are other cheaper options in the aftermarket. That being said, rider seat is completely fine for me, I can easily spend several hours in the saddle without any significant discomfort.
Some of this review makes no sense. I can respect your views on the ride quality and wind deflection but It's a small/entry adventure bike and you didn't compare the suspension travel (or really anything) to its competition: 310 GS, Versys 300, CB500x, KLR650 (You did mention the Himalayan at least) but you compared it to some serious dual sports the T7, really? the most capable off road bike in the class is the KLR650 which only has 0.5"(13mm) more ground clearance/ 1"(25mm) more front wheel travel/ 0.3"(8mm) more rear wheel travel, but is also a dinosaur as far as tech. I think you made the 390ADV look like the worst option in a different class instead probably the best overall option in its intended class.
Hey man, thanks for the long comment. I see your point, but hear me out :)
As i stated throughout the whole first minute and a half of the review, i had high expectations from a motorcycle KTM labels as "adventure". Comparing it to a versys300, cb500x etc should be an insult to the 390 and an unfair comparison to the others...but like you said, it is not, they are very comparable. From my point of view that means KTM failed being KTM. Whatever size, displacement or segment, ktm usually excels in terms of performance, and when they say its "adventure", or "enduro" or wahtever, they mean it... Not i this case though.
So, its not a bad bike at all, but i cant help feeling it fell short of the expectations.
Nevertheless, the channel is called offroad offcourse, so it kinda gives me the right to be a bit mean sometimes to bikes that fail my offroad standarts :p
Sorry to disappoint you though :/ sucks
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Hello, Can you clarify what did you mean by comparing it to the versys x300 is an insult. I am having a hard time deciding between the x300 and the 390 adv, can you help with a recommendation? thank you
@@FS-kw2yj i never tried the x300 so i cant really comment on that :( it also depends a lot on what you want to do with the bike...
I find the x300 very interesting for being a twin cylinder, but i really dont know how a 300cc twin feels like.
Regarding the insult, dont take it too seriously. What i meant is that ktm is usually a brand that tries his best to excel in performance, and comparing it to the versys should be unfair to the versys cause it was a bike developed to be "ok". The fact that you can actually compared both so equally means that somehow KTM failed to make his bike special. Thats what i meant :) (maybe i have too many expectations for ktm)
Great review! Luv to finally watch a review that has well-researched and factual opinion and is grounded in experience. Best line: ‘it’s a Duke that spent too much time with the guys in the marketing dept” lol!
Thanks man! Sometimes i might be wrong, but i always say what i feel :D
Do you have this bike? I do and don't need confirmation from some UA-camr to tell me if a bike is good or not.
It's basically the same what Ryan at FortNine said about the 390 Adventure.
This is so great, love the comic vibes as always.
Could you do Honda cb 500x and/or macbor montana xr5, if you can. Would really apreciate your opinion on their offroad capabilities compared to this ktm
I will try at least the cb500x one of these days :)
Next on the line is the Fantic Caballero Rally 500 and the Voge 300
That headlight is fugly!
I wanted to love this bike. On paper its perfect and seeing it in person its a gorgous bike. I had an opportunity to swap bikes with a friend for about an hour. I first sat on it and thought the ergonomics are perfect but the seat is pretty firm. Start the bike up and it sounds awesome, most impressive instrument cluster I have ever seen and clear even it sunlight, click into gear.. very nice, first gear nice pull, second gear .. what the hell this thing has no suspension, oh its adjustable, crank both adjusters to soft. slightly better but even my TW200 soaks up the road better. We rode some twisty roads, highway and gravel/dirt roads. The owner has never fiddled with the ride modes etc so I didn't bother either. I assume the default is rain mode or something like that because I seemed to be bouncing it off the rev limiter quite a bit and it certainly did not feel like 43 horsepower however I will say I like the engine and it was smooth enough that I would be able to ride it all day. Positives: looks, ergenomics, instrument cluster, engine. Negatives: terrible suspension (ok I said it), hard seat, KTM questionable reliability and very expensive parts. Just my opinion.
Thats basically the same thing i felt. The bike as great potential, but its basically a street bike with mild off-road tires
It’s a comfortable Duke that you can take on forest service roads. When I get tired of that, I’ll buy a Duke.
I agree. Its not at all a bad bike...its just not what a "adventure bike" from KTM js supposed to be :/
On an off road ride with a friend who had one of these, resetting traction control was a right pain for him every time we stopped. Fellow blogger Fortnine was also not impressed with the bike.
The new model I believe remedies this with the new off-road mode
I love fortnine but him and this reviewer ride the bike for about a bloddy day and then put their preduces into the review. Check out some of the owner reviews, people who have actually ridden this bike for some time on and off road.
The fortnine video is bs. It's a fun and very well produced video but as a review it's crap.
You have a point man. Sometimes 1 day isnt enough, and many times I change my opinions along the tests (god knows how many times I re-edited my script for the Himalayan)... but actually I had this bike in my garaage for 2 months, and used it for ~800km. Not a lot, but not exactly a 10min test ride.
The difference between MOST reviewers and MOST users, is that reviewers have a lot of experience and knowledge under their belts, and it doesnt take much for them to identify key factors that determine a bike's true colors. On the other hand, users sometimes have 1 or 2 bikes in their curriculums, and even after years on the road/offroad, they're skills and knowledge are very limited... so when they say the bike is great, sometimes they are only comparing it to the other 2 bikes they know, and from their perspective and riding style.
For instance... most 450cc enduro bikes feel EXTREMELLY bad for offroad until you actually ride them fast and throw them against big enough obstacles....if you try to ride them slowly in cruise mode like a dual-sport, they will feel like a wooden horse strapped on to a rocket :P
I have 3 KTMs & like your opinion! Yes you are correct way better than Jimmy L 🙃😄 he just seems like a sales agent 😜💩 but he's trying to be good. Anyways your video is good!
Thanks man! it means a lot :D
Thanks for the honest review!
There's nothing wrong with this bike! Any punk can do a review on what the bike is not. At the price point there is no contest. Dr 650 , Klx 300 , same price as Ktm with way less features. And I don't even own the KTM!!
Hey man, thanks for commenting!
Before you call me a punk though (:p), let me say that i find the 390adv a great bike (lots of bike for not a lot of money) IF you are looking for a commuter with some of travel capacity and a nod to off road readiness... but its far from reaching the same offroad standarts KTM has set for all "adventure" bikes before the 390.
Thats my only beef with this bike...
They drcided to call it "adventure" and thats why i reviewed it on the channel...
As the name emplies, here we care more about off road than other things xD
So yeah, great bike, but MEH from my personal perspective ;)
The first honest journo. All others whenever they review a bike it's all good all the time. This is the first meh journo. Good job
ahaha, thank you!
I must say this review has very poor throttle control for off-road. It was not the bikes fault the way he was riding.. Not sure putting on motocross clothes makes him an expert. Very novice rider alert ⚠️ 📢! He could prove more he is a professional. Right now I hardly believe anything he says.
first of all, thank you for commenting!
But I'n curious of course... Because some "negative comments" make sense, and people have a point... however yours (especially on this video) dont seem to make any sense.
Where/when did you detect such lack of throttle control?
Ps: dont forget the bike has traction control that resets itself, so half the times i was riding with it ON. Maybe you just saw the TC doing what it does best: being a nuisance offroad
This guy has rode all the top bikes in the world. Beginners should disregard his review because he's obviously biased towards more high end ones. It's like asking someone who drives a Ferrari what he thinks about a Toyota Corolla
I see your point... but consider this:
I am an instructor, and I know perfectly well the difference between a bike that makes your life easier, and a bikes that just gives you the illusion of that. Thats why I recommend the CRF300L to my pupils (a much lower-end bike thant the 390) and not the 390.
I am not running around prescribing high-end bikes like KTMs 690, Husqs 701, PR7s and 890s :P 8 out 10 times I really recommend the humble little CRF.
I do recommend the 390 sometimes though...to those who are looking for a nice commuter and a simple low-displacement tourer that can do a little bit of off-road.
I really appreciate these honest reviews, because it allows me to make a safe purchase on the bike I want. Thank you!
Awful review it seems to be you have forgotten to stress out this ktm is an adventure not dual sport neither off road type of motorcycle.
The moment you mentioned the panel is ok...i mean ok...well is a superb panel bro.
Yes the travel suspension is far from being ideal and is the engine of the 390 duke....same happens with the kawasaki 300x adventure has the same engine of the ninja 300, not torque and works at high revs
Comparing the390 to other dual sports bikes in terms of travel suspension it made u look bad...nah very bad
Iam not a ktm 390 adv fan boy but if u are one that loves electronics and safety gadgets devices this bike is perfect for u.
Hello! Thank you for watching and commenting!
The channel is called offroad offcourse, here i evaluate bike's from the offroad perspective, and "adventure" means there is an offroad part to this bike... And i found that part to be underwhelming.
From my prespective, and from an offroad lover perspective, this bike simply isnt enough.
Its too much like the Duke, it doesnt really bring anything new (or relevant) to the table in my opinion.
As for dual-sport vs adventure...there isnt a single bike on the market with the label "dual sport". Not a single sticker saying "dual sport" on any bike.
Adventure, trail, dual-sport, maxi-trail, adventure-sports, rally-touring, rally-raid, pro, etc etc... All those names mean what people want to believe they mean... And thats one of the big problems of the market right now.
Brands use any name they want, and its up to us to buy the bikes and later figure out what they are good for.
The 390 adv... Great bike, no doubt, but not for serious offroad. So not good from my perspective.
BUT, i realized today while riding the bike some more that there are good things about this bike that i forgot to mention and I will make a short video this week about that... Following your observation, i will try to talk about the panel a bit more. Thank you for the idea ;)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Thank you for being mature enough to digest any type of ''hard'' non-favorable opinion about your upload.
Indeed the KTM 390 adventure is exactly that a capable motorcycle to go the 3 different paths (as you mention in your video) in a acceptable way, with out having to be brilliant in any of those.
I have noticed you havent mentioned anything regarding its price (correct me if I am wrong), which is another valuable fact to consider. I do not know how much a brand new ktm cost in the country you live, but I can tell you where I live it does cost a 0 km model 2020 6k usd.
At that price, this ktm becomes a bit more as an adventure, haha
Their prime competitors in its category are 1) Kawasaky Versys 300x 2) BMW 310 s 3) HRE 400cc adventure style.
Amongst the most branded motorcycles
Any other type of motorcycle such as a honda crf 300 l or kawasaki klx 300 s both dual sport CAN NOT BE COMPARED with any of the 3 mentioned above as they are REAL Light DUAL SPORT (the HRE may be the closest but its far too heavy!!!!).
Their prices (where I live in SE Asia) go around the 4.5 plus to 6.5 k
The Honda cbx 500 in my opinion could be added in the group of the 3 mentioned above but its far more expensive almost 8k usd.
Final thoughts: to expect the KTM 390 adv to go for tough off road paths will be a mistake, even if one will set a pair of knobies as you did (not light enough, not enough torque but feeling good at high revs, not enough suspension travel, not enough ground clearance, not spoke wheels, not a low compression ratio).
Last detail: The KTM 390 adv is produced entirely in INDIA not Austria, by Bajaj.
Bajaj has never ever produced a motorcycle for off road.
Cheers!
Note: the clip where you showed 3 motorcycles being carrying away on the mud by riders by their feet , 2 were naked/sport bikes and the 3rd one an HRE 400CC ADVENTURE (really????)....some bikes can do wonders depends on the rider not their technology and/or off road parts others can look as unsuitable for the terrain if the rider is a newbie.
@@bullsharkdb i agree with what you say. Let me try this weekend to talk about the 390 from a different angle ;)
As for the last clip on my video with the "street" bikes going on mud..that was exactly my point! Any bike can do some offroad if you do it carefully enough. Thats why i dont look at the 390 and say "look, it does offroad, so its a good offroad bike".
Any bike does a little bit of offroad.. the 390 does a little bit more...but like you said, its far from being "a dual sport".
But what is a dual sport? Technically there are no dual sports...the crf300l its no called "crf300l dual sport", the ktm690 is "enduro R", not dual sport...the Tenere 700 doesnt even have "a title", etc etc.
There is no official definition to any of these names, and thats a problem :o
(A subject for another video xD)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Sure looking forward to your new upload.
Regarding the clip my point was even with a capable off road motorcycle as the HRE some riders will struggle, not the opposite 😁😁
Ah yes, but the RE is a bad example of a capable motorcycle. Its about as capable as the 390 :(
Did you ever tried a real offroad worthy motorcycle that makes offroad easy, like a CRF300L, a DR350/400/650, a KTM350/450/500/690, a KLX650, etc? Those bikes make offroad easy :D
Well the question is, if you want to do mixed riding involving alot of road, what is your option? I ride my 390 on difficult terrain with guys on T7s and the big difference is when we get in trouble the 390 is alot easier to manhandle. The other difference is £4.5k!
The CRF is a dog on road. The himalayan is a tractor, the CBX is even more road oriented than the ktm... and er, that's about all your options unless you spend £9.5k.
What do you suggest as an affordable option that has some capability across the field?
"The CRF is a dog on the road. The himalayan is a tractor" - ahahaha :D Loved it man!
Well, I don't know what to tell you... the KTM390 is kind of a "70-30" (Onroad-offroad), and the CRF300L is a "30-70". So in their own way, they are both dual-sports/adv bikes, but you have to make a choice. You either have fun "here", or "there".
Usually there are no perfect choices...there are no 100-100 bikes, or even 80-80...not yet at least :)
I found the 390 too limited offroad for my taste, and thats why I didnt like it. Of course if things go very bad and you have to "manhandle" your bike, its better to push a short 170kg bike (390) than a big 210kg (T7), but 99.5% of time, when you are riding (not pushing/stuck :P) the T7 will outperform the 390 in every way. You can go faster, safer, further, etc etc.... but especially faster :P The 390 can't handle high-speed mistakes (my opinion).
I love the Duke 390. But the Adventure? As you say - more onroad-oriented. Still popular over here, a crowning achievement of KTM's marketing. Not the bike is imperfect, but you ;-) I prefer both Honda CRF 300s and would rather opt for a CF Moto 450 MT. All the best, Günter/Nürnberg
I put 8000km on it, road, off road, commuting, i think the only real problem of this bike are the vibrations. I'm totally satisfied with the rest. I put spoke wheels, some mod to the suspension, protections and it's just fine. If you want more you have to spend a lot more for much heavier bikes ✌️
Hey there! Thanks for watching and for the input! On the road the bike is good, especially considering its a 400cc, not that expensive, etc... But offroad (where it matters to me) the bike felt inadequate. It can do offroad, but its not its environment. It survives it, but it doesnt thrive.
Wouldnt you agree? Do you have experience with other bikes offroad?
@@OFFroadOFFcourse the fact is just that, you are an excellent 'off-roader' and of course you appreciate bikes that have greater capabilities than this, but for someone who does not have great demands (like me), does not want to spend a lot, and have a bike that does a bit of everything, I think this 390 is the best the market has to offer.
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I like it and I bought it! Im a happy owner! For me, its a value for money all around bike! Nice video! Another subscriber here!
wow, its not easy to get a subscriber from someone who didn't even agree that much with my evaluation! :D
Thank you for that, man ^^
I respect all youtubers opinions if their are honest from the test drive they made. I disagree but i respect. Also, you did a great job to inform your public your thoughts.
I made the test drive on this bike, and for me is a great bike. But is for me , not for everyone! Abraço!!
I like the review, as my first on road bike, I am awaiting delivery of my new 390 adventure. I was second guessing my choice.
I was drawn to the 390 as my starter platform, I like the upright stance, the price was a definite factor. The easy modifications, and it's a KTM. I realistically know I won't be jumping any time soon, and by the time my skills are there I will know what direction to go for an upgrade.
Thanks for the review, new subscriber.
Its not a bad bike! Especially not considering the price...it just doesnt take the offroad part of adventure as seriously as i wish it did. Its a 400cc that ends up having little to no advantage over a bigger bike :)
I own this bike (only for another few days....selling it) and I agree and disagree. The onroad comfort is fantastic, even on bad roads....BUT NOT ON TKC80! Who uses rockhard stiff tires designed for extra heavy allroads (gs adventure 1200) on a light bike? That doesn't work. You need flex in your tires and these are for 250kg and up. Wind protection with the high screen is shit (I have the same screen), the original low screen is way better, even if your in the wind there is no turbulence. Quick shifters are designed for racebikes , so work best like this : keep full throttle open and shift through all the gears at redline. Why is it on an adventure bike? Marketing and fun. Why do I sell the bike? Quality, it feels like a cheap piece of garbage. The whole windscreen is attached with one 6mm hex bolt....thats it. Mirrors vibrate off the bike, brakes are incredibly bad, it all feels very cheap.
Hello! Thanks for your input!
I am actually preparing a new view (simple one, smaller) to explain a few things a bit better, cause indeed i was a bit too harsh on the bike.
Your input on the windscreen will be useful!
As for the tires, not all TKCs are the same, there are different weight indexes, and lowering the pressure helps a lot (but in all honesty i didnt check which weight index these ones had).
The bike is not bad..but i always look at bikes from the offroad lover perspective, and this one didnt make the cut in my opinion. Its a nice street bike that can go offroad, and i always have a hard time taking that aproach seriously (but thats unfair, and thats why i want to make a 2nd video "apologising" :D)
Anyway, thanks for watching and commenting!
'does it do off road?' 10mph on a wide open path- 'sure, look at me i'm doing off road!' 😂
Ahaha, and totally spoken from the heart :P
thanks for watching and commenting ;)
I am 66 years old, been riding all my life, member of the iron butt association. for me at my stage of life, I like my 2023 390 adventure. put 400 miles on it yesterday, had a good time.
Hell yeah..
I miss this heheheheeh
Why do you apologize for the sand storms, are you God?🤣
Is a nice desert touch to the video.
About the review buddy, as usual you are just amazing brutal honest, and that is priceless.
I do agree with the expensive fancy electric gadgets being a waste of money and just not allowing to explore the maximum of this machines.
Good for unconfident riders 😂
Cheers from hell bro.
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thanks for always watching my stuff and commenting :D You are the best ^^
in us i put 12k miles in 2 years I knew it was a duke with some mods for dirt It rocks on tight twisty roads The best bike on that type of roads that i have ridden in to date Dirt roads it solid but not the best like to have 21 front but good On easy single track okay I feel it is a great little cheap bike with great mpg and solid on back road bike I raced KTM 300EX No comparison But for me i like it much better than my KLR 650 ALL bikes have pros and con For the type of roads and trails i feel its good at Im very happy and recommend
I have one. It’s pretty good for what it is and if you ride it within its capabilities. I commute with mine and do gravel/dirt roads. It does great for that kind of riding. The traction control is stupid, there’s no reason to have it, if you pull out of a driveway or whatever quickly the traction control with kick in and tell you no because it’s lean angle sensitive. That’s really my only complaint. Just don’t think it’s a dirtbike and it’ll do well I think
Try getting cut up on a crazy corner and you'll see the benefit of the traction control. It certainly saved me.
I am not against the traction control existing (because it saves lives on the road, right?), I am against forcing me to turn it off every 5minutes when I take my adventure bike offroad.
As a matter of fact KTM actually changed this "forced" MTC and ABS on the new 2022 model. Same for the Norden 901, 890, etc...
When you go offroad you usually dont go for 1Km...you go half a day, or a full day, or a full weekend. If every single time you turn off the bike (which is literally every 10min if you are in a group) you have to spend 10 seconds minding the computer, it sucks!...even worse, if you forget to turn off the MTC, you will end up crashing on a turn (which was EXACTLY what happened to the owner of this give...he gave me the bike for 2 months cause he broke both wrists thanks to the MTC)
The crappy Himalayan has more travel .. wow !! 😂 That validates your comments sir ..
Its a shame...i really wantes to like the bike, but my offroad bias wont let me 😅
@@OFFroadOFFcourse I really need an EXC450-F but with a slender rear subframe to enable me to carry overnight camp gear!
@@OFFroadOFFcourse I’ve done100km stretches of tarmac at 110kph on the EXC 450F and it’s surprisingly acceptable (if you ignore the horrid wear on your favourite off road tyres and mousses )
Lots of gadgets for a small bike. All those riding aids are highly annoying and by law they have to reset when the ignition comes on. How did you get it running with the headlight off? Or maybe it just looked off in the video… I’ll stick to my XTZ for now. 65k kms and runs like new.
apparently the law changed or.... idont know! because the Norden 901 now lets you turn everything off and keeps it off :O
I am so glad I watched your review…. 2 years after I got the my 390 Adventure, that is, maybe is not the bike, it is your size, I replaced the stock windshield with the 790 one, and I am happy with the wind protection on the Highway at 140 mph. I do live at the end of a 1 mile narrow and bad maintained dirt road where I used my previous 390 Duke, no comparison on suspension and grind clearance, of course I am not competing on the way to my home,and not young also. so it is a much better bike for me.
SOOO TRUUUEEEE! Against all the fake reviews in YTΙ ve tested once...the engine was awaking at 5000rpm! the suspensions were stiff! So much electronics... i really didnt like it at all. And a blind man can see its low ground clearance and its low travel suspensions.. Alloy, wheels...no dirt at all...
It is what it is, 80%on 20%off, I enjoy riding it up twisty roads and taking some gravel roads to the top of the mountain. You won’t judge a R1 by its off road capabilities or a EXC by its on track capabilities… It’s all a trade, you put on longer and softer suspensions you won’t enjoy as much the road. And cmon man… no bike besides a gold wing has a shield higher than your head… I thing you’re judging it as a “bad” bike based on things that are built just the way ktm wanted it to be, you not liking them doesn’t mean they’re wrong.
I agree with you 100%. My main complaint is actually clearance. As for the rest of its flaws, they are all due to the fact that this is a road bike modified for some off-road. This is the problem of the 390. It does drive nice though winding pavement road, mainly because it is a road bike.
And one day he was back! And he brought back with him his dotation of "meh", now accompanied by "rraaarghgrarghbb". Thank you for the silly laughs, and the (as expected) brutally honest review, and the education on electronic aides for caveman-mechanics inclined people like me.
Hey, quick question: what is that number under your channel's name?
Welcome back Cambag! :D
To he honest, i think i was a bit too harsh on the bike...this weekend i will say a few more words, looking at the bike from a slightly less negative perspective :D
10k subs! Cant believe it... Its unbelievable i actually got this far, when i didnt know the first thing about youtube 2 years ago :o
Thank you for being here ^^
Well, when someone markets a motorcycle as "adventure" but then puts the exhaust and engine case as the lowst part of the bike, you basically know what you are buying.
If you plan to take this on an adventure you better get a pack of JB-Weld... or 25...
I've been looking at this as my first adventure bike. after seeing your review, I have to ask, is there any other bike in this class and purpose that does what this bike should do better?
The 390 is a very nice bike but not a very good "offroad tool". Its like a small city SUV, sure it offers a bit more off road capacity than a 100% dedicated city bike, but it wont be an easy bike or a fast motorcycle if you try to use it in anything more complicated than a simple forest trail ☺️
A lot of people in a lot of countries dont need anything more than this, and there is nothing wrong with that :p
Anyway, if on the other hand your goal is to use it offroad a lot, and if you aspire to be "one of those guys", then a better tool would be a dual sport, like a CRF300L, or the 300Rally, or the Voge 300, or perhaps something older like a DRZ400, dr350se, ttr250, KLX650C, DR650, KLR650, etc.
I hope i helped :)
“But as we say in Portugal, ‘It’s enough of hitting the little blind man.’”
LOL!
Great review and truly Brutally honest. You earned a sub…partially because I’m loving the virtual tour I get of your beautiful country with your reviews…and mostly because of really
Good production.
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Thank you so much man! Sorry to reply 4 months too late xD
So its more scrambler like the real old time scrambler , here in Thailand everybody rides scooters or 125 bikes . my last bike 650 BMW in U.S.
I own the husqvarna 401 (same engn¡ine and suspension) and yeah, the bike is crazy stiff, only with low tire pressures and a passenger does it feel kinda nice, it´s too good for its own sake. I would preffer worse suspension like 41mm forks, however, I have bent the spoked tires many times so the cast wheels actually make sense
This is the first review iˋve seen that calls itˋs offroad capabilites crap.. hehe.. You got a new subscriber :-)
Ahaha, thanks! This weekend i will release a smaller video kind of explaining things a bit better. I dont regret anything i said, but i was a bit unfair in the way i said it..maybe. this weekend i make some amends :D
What is always interesting to me is that by comparison to the larger 890 and 1290 adv bikes, people much more often point out the cast rims on this bike as being an issue whereas the much larger and heavier bikes also come with the same rims.
Hello! Thanks for watching and commenting, but I think you are mistaken! The "adv/offroad" versions of the 890/1290 come with normal spoked rims.
But regarding this topic, I didnt really feel that the cast rims on the 390 were the real problem...you have to ride the bike "carefully" anyway, so no problem having slightly less resistant/flexible wheels. To be honest it never crossed my mind while riding it that the wheels were not the usual spoked type =)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Yup. I was more so referring to the S version of the bigger brother bikes. But yeah if you're not doing anything crazy the rims aren't an issue.
Maybe there will eventually be an R version that addresses some of the offroading issues!
I call it the adventure duke haha. I don't rock super technical trails but it does well enough on Backcountry Discovery Routes.
Its not a bad bike at all... i just got frustrated cause I know KTM can do so much better :(
I wanted to like this bike, seriously :P
Conclusion:
Meh, 6000$ bike???
Meh
Buy one with 20000$
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