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Trimless Doors and Flush Base
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2020
- Modern trim details can be tricky, but in this video I'll show you how a Canadian Carpenter is using a few secret steps to make this tough install pretty straightforward. Today's BUILD SHOW brought to you by the guys at Siga, Innotech Windows, and QuadLock ICF's!
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Definitely need to see what it looks like finished.
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@@brianroth5872 It won't look like the link video
Got you man! photos.app.goo.gl/ghMK4W4xByW58G7e8
We were doing this in the 90's..we used steel J bead or Cap bead ...It's a pain in the ass...After a couple years; you get a hair line crack where the mud ends...
@@terrellsprecher16 looks pretty slick actually!
I worked in a home that had this detail, it looks amazing when finished. Wish I could post a picture for the people inquiring. We did a 3/8 reveal all the way around, base and casings.
I agree with others... I need to see the after affect. Also was quite confused in what I was seeing.
Yeah, agreed. I was confused as to what they’re trying to achieve with final result, especially regarding the jambs.
I have been doing stuff like this with Pit-con since the 80s and trim tex forever. It burns up a lot of time, very few people are willing to pay for it
What does it look like finished?
I'd like to see it finished as well
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Here you go: photos.app.goo.gl/ghMK4W4xByW58G7e8
@@terrellsprecher16 Thanks!
@@terrellsprecher16 That looks amazing. What do they do two layers of drywall?
Been waiting for this video for a while. Awesome, I would love to see more in-depth reglet installs.
I just finished remodeling an office build that did not have any wood trim around the doors. When I first looked at the job I thought it was full metal commercial door jams that we had used in tilt up concrete buildings BUT It had stud width (3 1/2 in") door jams. the narrow face of the door jams had a grove cut using a router with the slotting blade, a mini saw blade in the center. The doors were hung before drywall.. one side of the corner bead was the normal perforated flange and the other side was a finished edge long enough to fit into the slot. The drywaller mudd ed over his side then the painter calked the metal to wood seam. You just have to coordinate the door installation before drywall an have the set back of the drywall at the doors.
yes, far easier than the detail shown.
Am I the only one who had no idea what was about?
It's a modern edge detail, eliminates the casing/base/molding elements by creating a shadow line. When done properly it can be nice..... But even in this video it's not my favorite product or install method. Google shadow reveal beads and you will see finished pictures. Best when lit up with LED or side lit fiber optic.
Solves a problem that never existed
$200 per door just for the little corner pieces. Madness...
When you get to the top tier you never have an opinion you just put in as specified. Once you see houses with good shadow details you understand. Only thing going into my personal homes now on. LED with motion sensors is another thing people don't understand.
Well I can trim your 30 doors with fj 2.25 casing for 100/ea so 3000 or do this reglet aluminum for 250/ea, so 7500...You pick :) Either way; I'm happy...I hate putting finished millwork ANYWHERE near drywall finishers...
Boiled down...instead of a traditional baseboard over drywall, the board is attached directly to the studs. A strip is inserted between board and drywall to allow for movement so you won’t see much gap after mudding. It provides a modern look.
clear as mud.
Thanks Matt.
Flush door and window details using Frye reglet are very elegant. You can look up photos elsewhere if curious....Dwell Magazine, Fine Homebuilding, etc. If the modern aesthetic isn't your thing, then dont bother.
would love to see the finished look!!!
photos.app.goo.gl/ghMK4W4xByW58G7e8
@@terrellsprecher16 thank you
Call me silly but I like the look of trim better.
Carpenters hide their mistakes. Doctors bury theirs.
Don't really follow what you are showing us Matt...reading the comments, I'm not the only one who is confused. I think you should show us the Finished Profile completed in some other home and then tell us how to achieve that look...
What would be nice - although you're already asking a lot of Sean, is a cutaway of the door jam. I think you did a nice job explaining but a cutaway is crystalizes everything. Regardless, thanks for bringing us these nicely refined details. It really shows what is possible with a little (!!) more work & time.
Agreed! Or maybe more close-up shots as Matt's pointing at things - it's sometimes difficult to see details when the shot is from 3 feet away. No one really cares about the two people talking - we just want to see what they're talking about.
The title is bit of a misnomer. It’s not a trimless door. It is a flush trim door with reveal.
need an elevation on it to help too - standing back and pointing and showing no cross section or finished product is very hard to follow
@@krmass24 www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2F600x315%2Fac%2F69%2Fee%2Fac69eeb1b291f6ba21a52d717e284150.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.es%2Fpin%2F54887689185887821%2F&tbnid=hqcP-CVuYE3NfM&vet=12ahUKEwiS8tTa98TnAhUT8awKHfw_Bz0QMygAegUIARDcAQ..i&docid=tdT57W_Zu-CZAM&w=500&h=259&itg=1&q=flush%20trim%20base%20door%20details&ved=2ahUKEwiS8tTa98TnAhUT8awKHfw_Bz0QMygAegUIARDcAQ photos.app.goo.gl/ghMK4W4xByW58G7e8 www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F02%2Fe4%2Ffc%2F02e4fc00d6712d459cf183018404c4f6.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2F342836590377641803%2F&tbnid=SNoYpzGxu_3bMM&vet=12ahUKEwiQ_oX198TnAhUPMa0KHUnEDDEQMygCegUIARDhAQ..i&docid=jn0uTmuBrc1nfM&w=500&h=467&q=flush%20trim%20door%20details%20drawing&ved=2ahUKEwiQ_oX198TnAhUPMa0KHUnEDDEQMygCegUIARDhAQ
I am very interested to see the end result, with maybe a breakdown/reminder of the various parts at that time.
At least show us how the end product looks like😅😅
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I know kinda pointless video
It's THAT bad... 😂
@@brianroth5872 yaaa I gotta say I prefer door moldings
@@khaledacar3814 Same. A lot of time and money for something that looks worse.
Great video! Thanks for sharing❗❗❗ 🙂🙂🙂 👍👍👍
Good stuff, thank you.
*I love the high end trimless finished product.*
Matt glad that you're covering various real estate price points.
What an expensive nightmare. In NZ we just use one of the Gib folded steel or foil profiles, cheap, easy and quick- also a LOT thinner
Was really disappointed by the camera work, with the shot angles used the explanations fell short.
I wonder how this will hold up to the abuse of three kids that constantly beat every surface of the home with toys?
You would use Trim- tex with The Trim tex spray on glue
It wouldn't. Best to use square stock trim that is easy to repair and try to keep your kids tied up. They ruin everything. Its never in the brochure for having kids. Something like having to constantly lug supplies and tools is not in the brochure for carpentry.
Hey @Matt Risinger with all this CanCon you've been doing, have you learned what a toque is yet? :) It's nice that you're exploring this frozen north construction.
I call it a toque too, from California. But I hung out with a BC surfer for years and that mya be the cause.
I like being confused. Thanks for topping me up.
Hi Matt, have you checked out the Canadian builder BoneStructure yet? That will blow your mind. They do things completely different.
omg Matt that's twice you've not shown the finished flush doors lol!
What crazy idea spent $$ alumion when you gonna cover with plaster did this guys know about trim-tex.. at least is affordable regular glue and staples just adding more cost to the project to share more $$$ to the contractor....
Lol I literally had this discussion with a builder in Dallas today. (Build techniques are atrocious out here. Product knowledge is even worse.) But yeah at least with proper trim-tex you can keep the walls airtight and save a fortune. Lack of product knowledge is the only reason.
Just bend sheet metal and you'll be fine lol, Fry Reglet is expensive stuff.
Come to Ontario please!
One day not too far off, you'll all be doing it this way. House trim changing like new car design does.
I dont get that at all, i was hoping for more content, ive never seen that done, and have no clue what look he is going for. Im in Florida, not something ive seen done here before.
The door molding will be flush with the drywall for a cleaner look. It's not my thing but people always want something that looks unique and more modern.
Google search "negative detail" and click "images".
I would like to see the finished product…
I seen a video of yours in my 6 hr ce course in boerne...
People keep asking Matt about it. Commenters want a detailed how to. There is not a lot of videos on this detail but there are some. Also there is more than one way to skin a cat. Doing it on my renovation now. If I can figure it out any idiot can.
Tough to justify that cost for the look. Being 4 corners per side and 2 sides, its 200 Canadian per door Just for corners. Seems incredibly labor intensive too.
Boils down to taste. I agree, to me it looks cheap, like an unfinished office or commercial building where they didn't bother spending the money trimming the doors. Definitely doesn't look like a home. I guess it depends on the materials -- it could potentially look interesting and contemporary. As for cost though, obviously that doesn't matter. Some people have money to spend and want what they want.
A carpenter is gonna charge you just as much if not more to put mdf trim, patch the holes from the gun and than prime and paint seamless joints.
Hmmmm. Why is the casing not flush with the jamb? I guess because they are putting that little piece of trim on. Why are they putting that piece of trim on? I guess to hide the hinge screws which would be on the outside of the reglet.
Negative detail... you can get those in PVC details or paper face metal trims from Trim Tex
Not as straight and don't hold up to use as well. I'm using trim tex on a job now. Trim tex is what you can afford on your own house, that heavy reglet is other people's money only
This is called P50 in Aus, and stapled on before plastering up.
Sleek look. A frame showing sectional drawing(s) would be helpful.
Per code, this detail would not be possible on any wall that has the garage on the other side. It does not meet standard for one-hour fire rating. But it works beautifully on non-rated assemblies.
Matt! I love your content but this one falls a bit short. Six+ minutes is an eternity in on-line content. A video that is clear and concise, showing the process start to finish is what viewers want. Trim the fat, highlight the process, post the links!
Thanks for sharing your projects. I really enjoy them.
I wanr to know more about the installation of fry reglet
I’m having trouble visualizing the half inch gap between the wall and the hardwood floor. Can anyone point me to an image of what this would look like?
it can be a nightmare it the floor isn't flat and it will be a dirt magnet
Is it a 7 foot tall door or did Matt shrink?
Dem big Canadian doors so dee moose don't hit their heads, eh.
Why is this necessary ? It is a waste. What is the end result? I would not install this anywhere.
"Let's cut the video and head upstairs."
*fast forewards.
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Wish you would have shown a finished door. I've never heard of that type trimming.
I had no idea what trimless doors and windows were. Thank heavens for google. That being said, I know I'm old and not hip. I cringe when I see painted wood and brick. It's just wrong. I like trim.
Thinking flush base only works for Canadians, they think they r cool dude as and flush base is kind of a bohemian thing I guess. Too posh for most Americans, especially wouldn’t go over in Texarkana. Any call for it in Midwest like Ohio or Illinois? Like to here it in comments on how this flies in other neck of the woods. Designers just want money.
I want to see how the baseboard meets the door trim
Somebody please tell me how to get a build show hat! I’m not looking for a handout, I just can’t find where to buy one.
How much extra is the taper charging for that crap.
Yea, yeaaa .. yea, mhmmm , yeah that's right ...
this is the second video this guy has on trimless doors without showing the finished product... these videos are driving me nuts
I think all the associated labor and material costs likely adds 15k to 3000 SF house ya? Why cant they use a Plastic based Z Bead to accomplish the same detail?
Everything Matt does is "kinda" expensive.
Trim less doors? Ok, what does it look like when finished? What is the purpose?
Quality over quantity is always a good strategy. Maybe showing people the finished look first would be better. This also sounds super expensive too so it begs the question why do it this way?
That is why trim is used instead.
I have no idea what this is about.
Yup, I didn't get it either, having never used it, assumes we're all professional builders...
It's a modern edge detail, eliminates the casing/base/molding elements by creating a shadow line. When done properly it can be nice..... But even in this video it's not my favorite product or install method. Google shadow reveal beads and you will see finished pictures. Best when lit up with LED or side lit fiber optic.
Want to see finished product.
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@@brianroth5872 Thx I'll pull up tonight
1 thumbs down came from an independent trim carpenter
This should be standard code - end look is finally decent as opposed to those old-style trims that always look like grandma's father chose them.
How many videos do u make that don’t show a finished product!?!?
If I did something like that, they would lock me up. What a waste of money for nothing. I think the classic Victorian style is the best.
Not sure what problem that is trying to solve. Maybe the " I have too much money" problem. That is the only one i can think of.
why not just use tare away bead? its alot cheaper with the same effect
It still baffles me why you can't just get fully complete door, frame and detail packages for this cheaply. So much for automation right? I think what people miss here is that it only works to automate high volume and if cheap quality hits the mark thats all that gets automated.
I believe it is coming when this look goes mass market.
Very good idea but there is no finished product
I hope trim is on the way out. I hate it.
What is the product name and web site? Matt' named the product but it sounded mumbled. EDIT: I searched trimless doors and found fryreglet.com/product-systems/minimalist-door-frames-2/
This seems like a lot of work and extra expense for a look that is less desirable. Why would I want to do this instead of just normally trimming the base and door?
Senseless and expesive
Good work but looks like a lot of work for the finish look
Lots lots more negative detail pls
Bruh, these videos never show finished product. Youre killing me Smalls.
Has anyone used these? They come primed and are cheaper than the Fry reglet. It doesn't look like they have those inside corners though. I've used a Trim Tex before, but they seem a little flexible and make it difficult to keep perfectly straight.
capdrywalltrims.com/aluminum-trim-reglets/z-shadow-bead/aluminum-drywall-trim-z-shadow-bead-3-8-x-5-8-primed-for-painting-8-0-lengths/
why are u putting stuff inbtwn the door frame and the 2x4 frame? how do u take out the door when people swap out a door and frame,and glue again how do u remove that to take it apart? remember build it to take it apart nothing is forever and repairs will always be..!
Guessing that was some sort of air seal / insulation and not glue/foam etc.
MY opinion . What a waste of money- unless you have it to blow. I built for decades. This is off the wall
Huh?
It don't make sense there In Canada Wood is Abundant Mud corners And window seals are in places like where there's deserts Plus it's just uglyAnd you know the ship's gonna crack and And gap
glue, epoxy, spit nothing works on aluminum. aluminum oxide is the problem put those screws back in. you need need chemicals to make it work that only commercial airplane manufactures can get that's going to fail i promise you
$25 for a tiny piece of metal
I dont see it. Sounds like cutting some trim would be way easier and cheaper
It's just more modern. .... Kind of. And there are cheaper ways to do it and imo better. This way sacrifices the airtightness of the wall so I can't support someone installing with this product or method.
Not everyone wants cheap and easy. Some people want attractive and high quality. People who are paying for custom homes want custom details. They certainly aren't looking for someone to slap some bone stock standard trim up against their $1000 doors. What Matt is trying to show you is how everyone can achieve that look with a little practice and a tiny bit of extra money.
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Overall this is an excellent channel, but this is probably one of the worst videos I've seen on the channel. It was all: this goes like this and that goes like that, but no good examples. They really needed a before - during - after, or a couple bench mock ups.
Pointless video as there is no actual finish of product....just some fafing around and that's it.
That's majority of Matt's videos lol
Yeah honestly there's no close up to even tell what they're actually doing
@@13fullnelson make a guess and use your imagination lol
Seems like an absolute waste of time and money with an objectively UGLY finish anyway
Looks great when it Is done right but it can get expensive if you start doing inlays , only high end customers will pay for this, same with the bullnose corners
Rich people don't care,
They just want " what's trending"
minimalistic "look" probably Buddhist people like it. Such people probably also want no baseboard trim
Yikes, looks really weird. Not at all attractive.
Personally I think it's a time and money wasted. What's the point ? I guess there is lots of people who have a crazy idea about values because in few years it will all be worth nothing but a pile of....
Uff americans..
Matt good job figuring out the UA-cam algo but your videos are not very good. please try harder its doing us a disservice to not see it finished and to have this uncomfortable personality. just cut to the chase dont flirt with the guy for christs sake
"The corner is $25.....$25 Canadian....yes...." In Canada, everything we buy in Canada, we pay in our currency, Canadian. I'm sure in the US, you pay for everything in...wait for it...US currency!!!
ewwww square canadurpian screws!!!
lotta shop talk... not at all useful for consumers that MAY consider.