I think you can't even run all m.2 and pcie slots at the same time at full speeds so you can't even if you wanted too. Kinda sucks but I think it is the case for several of the 870e boards
@@dekko4crux442 According to ASRock's website, it looks like you can actually populate all four m.2 slots with no trade-offs. The only thing I'm seeing is the two x16 slots sharing lanes if both are populated.
@@dekko4crux442 bummer, i keep looking for a board i can use for a NAS with 4 PCIE x16 slots where all gen 4 (or heck gen 3) lanes are usable and can be bifurcated -AND that has USB4 🙂
Experiments for future creator boards. (1.) At what point is the extra 8pin power connector needed? Example: Is it needed for 2x 4070s? Or is it needed when you go over 2x 4080s? What is the threashold? (2.) PCIe lanes; How much of stability issues will creators have filling up all the slots with GPUs and drives? Can we avoid spending twice as much on threadripper builds with the new x870e advancements? (3.) Can we run 128 gigs of ram now with the new architecture at lower speeds with stability. AE artists need that. Thank you!
Great review! I ordered the X870E Nova this morning for my Linux workstation. I'll be running down to Microcenter this weekend to pickip a 9950X to pair with it.
Please let me know how how the Nova is, Everyone online is saying it's the best motherboard for this generation but yet I cannot find a single youtube video about it in english
@@EthanHernandez-r8m So far I'm happy with it. It dropped right in place of my 13700K setup, transplanted my NVMEs and 64 gigs of DDR5 6000 RAM and booted right up. No complains from me.
@rkalla Arch, Zen kernel. Works flawless. I did need to install the Realtek NIC driver for the new 5-gig NIC chip, but that took 30 seconds since there's already a package for it in the AUR.
I love my B650E Taichi Lite. Fantastic concept, excellent execution. It looks like supplies have been dwindling though as this X870E version has been rolling out, and it's going to be super sad if they stop making the ~$250 B650E Lite and try to drive everyone to the $400 X870E Lite, thereby completely missing the point.
I have a 7800x3d on an Asrock x670e tai chi that I previously ran ddr5 6000mhz across all 4 dims without a problem and no tuning I just installed them and that's just my personal experience so I'll take it I won the silicon and board lottery.
ASRock has become my go-to motherboard. I have a Z690 Taichi, a B460 Pro4, and an inbound Z690 PG Velocita. I didn't wait for X870 to build my 7800X3D machine; it's going on a B650E Taichi Lite. (I got my 7800X3D before the recent shortage and price increase.) Given how well things are going with these builds, I'll be using ASRock boards until I have a good reason to change.
5:40 I understand the desire for quick release, by people who frequently change hardware, for testing etc. But I would much rather have everything screwed down (including case panels). Done and dusted, very simple, no risk.
@5:43 I honestly think they add this for the tech reviewers who actually do utilize it faaaaaaar more often than the average user that puts in a hard drive and forgets about it till the next pc build.
@@PowellCat745 40ish lanes seems like a solid move imb. Enough to use all them extra M.2 and other PCIe slots for most and even those doing more than the typical user, while not touching on what real heavy workstation users needs. Case in point: the 64 lanes on my X399 motherboard have me in a pinch 😂 I've always said it. The i/r 9 need that feature. Drop it a. R9 and it can utilize all 40ish lanes. R7 amd under only has what they get now. They already sorta do it in reverse when they release their laptop chips to desktop, plus these boards are crazy expensive. This would actually justify that price (even though I'm pretty sure PCIe itself IS the expensive thing here)
The Ez-release GPU bracket is kind of a big deal with how completely sandwiched the retention clip is on modern boards. It's no longer just a matter of removing a CPU heat sink for some boards, you now have to also disassemble the top M.2 slot just to reach the clip. I'm willing to pay an additional $50 for that plus the pretty large backplate the normal Taichi has over the Lite. As far as fan tuning goes...it's nice that there's something useful with this board, but I'll just stick with "Fan Control".
Keeping the kits on the same channel works better even on DDR4, on a spare parts am4 machine I was using a basically e-waste 2x8 kit and 2x8 3200 cl14, infinitely more stable with one kit per channel, it runs at 3200 with only slightly looser timings than the better sticks, but split across both channels it would crash once or twice every 24 hours and only boot consistently at 2666 with really loose timings. Both kits ran at their advertised speed and timings or better individually on the same motherboard.
I love the fact that there are so many fan headers and three temperature sensors to attach anywhere. By strategically placing the sensors (e.g., on to a CPU tower cooler) one can get great but smooth cooling performance (avoiding short CPU temp spikes, for instance). I hope the ASRock Bios fantastic fan speed ramping feature works. My Asus Z270F nominally had the feature (to increase/decrease fan speed within a given time period, e.g., 2s), but it just did not work in practice.
If your constrained you should be on threadeipper. People forget these are boards for gaming not workstations. Like buying a sports car then being mad that it dosent seat 6
Why there’s not even a single x1 pcie slot routed from the chipset, it’s kinda insane looking for an upgrade from x570 and having no good options if you have anything besides the gpu
I've been a fan of ASRock for a few years now, particularly their Taichi line (main is a 5800X3D Taichi X570 with a Taichi 7900XTX, that replaced the Taichi 6800 XT still running in another box). What I liked the most about ASRock was the general sense that they not only had good quality and features at a reasonable price, but the also weren't shy about trying new things/going a bit off the beaten path. Ever since PCIe Gen5 though, everything is stagnant and stupid, and it's not just ASRock. What exactly is the point of Gen5 when however many lanes/card slots/DIMM slots are on the board you can only ever use half of them to actually get the full speed? The "5090" is just now the first Gen5 GPU to be showing up, and the consumer M2 market isn't exactly brimming with Gen5 choices either. So not only are there few possibilities anyway, Gen5 board manufacturers might as well drop everything larger than M-ITX anyhow because one slot and two DIMMs is the apparent limit regardless. I'm not a board engineer, maybe I'm the stupid one and just don't understand how any of this works, fine. But I still think that if anyone would figure out a way to make a board with ONE Gen5 GPU slot and ONE Gen5 M2 slot, and populate the rest of it with an actual functional common sense/common use slot & lane arrangement (2-3 PCIe Gen4 x16 slots, maybe 1-2 Gen4 M2, a few front/a few back USB 3-4's, a half dozen SATA ports etc.)...... That manufacturer would likely crush the market. C'mon ASRock, you you can do it, save me from shopping on Alibaba 😁
I agree. ASROCK was the leader in I/O flexibility for a long time and I was waiting for them to release something. Imagine my surprise when ASUS actually stepped up with the PRIME X670-P WIFI. Meets most of your specs and why I bought one. Probably the last of a dying breed.
I would honestly kill for a board that has one PCIe Gen5 x16, one M.2 Gen5 x4, and like three PCIe x16 at Gen4 or even Gen3. I just need slots and lanes... Unfortunately, the lane count is hard to increase economically. I'm pretty sure it's much cheaper to upgrade the design of a port from Gen4 x4 to Gen5 x4 than to upgrade from Gen4 x4 to Gen4 x8. Widening a link requires more physical transceivers on the silicon, more solder pads on the chip, more traces on the board, maybe even more layers on the board. The only other way to "add lanes" is to use a PCIe bridge chip, but Broadcom has a price-gouging strangle-hold on that market and has been holding back widespread PCIe adoption for years.
wasnt that tech yes city talking about ring buffer, that is ultra fast but cos its not big enough fills fast with data and there are so many devices that send data to it and it bottlenecks today computer performance. computers today have same problem like 1gbit ethernet with jumbo packets. its fast as long you send a lot of data in big packets, like downloading 10GB file, but when you play game and send 4KB packets to 30 people it will suffocate your 10GB file download, far worse than 100mbit ethernet
Frankly I prefer it. On several occasions I’ve had a flaky M.2 drive only to find upon removing the cover, that the latch has unhooked itself. Put it back down and the drive magically works again. That’s never been an issue with screw-in slots. How often are “gamers” or whatever the target audience for this nonsense is switching out their drives that a quick-release latch is worth bothering with??
I am loving Ryzen 9000. My 9700x is running 6400MT/s on the memory with 2133mhz on FCLK and of course IMC is 1 to 1 with memory frequency. I tuned down the timings and I have a 58ns latency. I could maybe get it down to 56-57ns. At that point if I can I will be as low latency as my 5600x but with double the memory bandwidth. Epic stuff. I am loving using AVX512 in handbrake for x265 encodes. 1080p fast preset is on par with Vega 64's hardware encoder in terms of performance while crushing it in terms of quality. I am happy I went with Zen 5 tbh.
I will wait till the prices come down to a reasonable level. Pricing in my country (india) is very bad. I originally wanted to upgrade to zen 5 and I was on zen+, seeing the prices, I bought myself a 5700G and I am already happy. My PC already feels new. May be in 2 years I might upgrade to zen 7 or 8
I am undecided. Price is not important The best features and performance I want. ASROCK X870E Taichi and ASUS ROG STRIX X870E-E Gaming WiFi? Which one do you think your comment is valuable to me.
@@mddunlap03 It's not just the lack of pcie slots, but also the fact that the second slot shares bandwidth with the main one if you ever dare to use it. Sure, it's fine if what you want to do is run two GPUS, but what if you want to add a much lower bandwidth card like a network card, a video capture card or even a sound card? Then you are compromising the performance of the GPU on the main slot for a pitance of bandwidth actually required to run the second device on the second slot. It would be nice to have an extra pcie x1/x2/x4 slot for those cases, or some kind of solution that allows the second slot to run at an even lower bandwidth without affecting the first slot.
I don't understand why mother board manufacturers are all obsessed with using all their lanes for all M.2. I love the steel legend x670e. It's the ONLY bother board with dedicated CPU lanes for both PCIE slots. Also, they were smart enough to position the 2nd PCIE slots at the lowest slot height, and the upper slot at the very top. Taichui, and others don't seem to have realized that big HPUs are like 3"+ thick.. and if you have a NIC or a capture card in the bottom slot it's going to suffocate your GPU. But all they seem to care about is "MOAR M.2".
A board that offer full fat features without the fluff of RGB etc. About time. All meat, no filler. A slab of tech that fits my plate perfectly. The price? Well...
@@concinnus yeah, apparently so on this generation of boards, only the MSI Godlike have 10 Gbit.. Seems like I'll get an Asrock or Gigabyte board this time around and put in a 10 Gbit NIC.. Won't fork out money for partial functionality tbh.. Might even get a previous gen board, if I can find one that supports ECC fully.. This is ridiculous..
Aye, gonna suck having to gimp your GPU just to add a proper NIC. Hell, skip one of the USB4 ports, one is enough as I'd probably never even use one during this boards lifetime. Skip some of the USB3.2 and 3.1 as well and there should be enough for a proper Gen4 X4 and even X8 slots.
Just ordered the X870E Taichi and the only reason for me to get it over the lite is ... the GPU easy release. I don't know why that piece of plastic is not on the lite. Seriously, ASRock? -.-
@@arthur_pd Unfortunately that's very relative ... The Taichi Ultimate was the MOST expensive X470 board from ASRock at 250,- Euros. The Pro RS is the LEAST expensive X870 board from ASRock at 250,- Euros. And my X870E Taichi is now almost 500,- Euros.
@@jedimaster1541 Comparing specs that actually looks like a solid idea. I might do that, I haven't opened the Taichi yet and can send it back. Thanks for the recommendation. :)
Is 5G LAN and Wi-Fi 7 chipset works fine under linux? What is the NIC on this board? I saw MSI heavily advertising support for 320Mhz channel for WiFi 7 **unlike** their competitors, but they are using Qualcomm chip and the stability of that one under linux is still questionable.
you talk about driver stability as code or device, cos as wifi is never stable, as device. my galaxy s7 that has broadcom one of the best and realtek that make wifi chipsets, when phone hungs its always when i click icon to turn on wifi. same is experience with broadcom on pc and laptop, when there is no inferference, no other networks on channel it could reach whole 300mbit, but same channel and it dropped down to 5mbit. recently i had to rename 2G and 5G virgin SSID from same name to _2G and _5G, cos someone next to me has 80% power same channel wifi and i could not connect my s7 and other tenant his laptop to wifi. cos it always tries 2G first. now i connect only to 5G and problem gone, still peformance that was 850mbit as ac network now its 300mbit
on my two threadripper systems.... Microsoft Storage Spaces works quite well as long as you custom configure it to have the correct number of drive striping via creation on powershell. I used 4x 2TB nvme on one of those riser cards with bifurcation enabled. If only AM5 had enough lanes to have 2x 16x slots
Firstly ~ thank you Wendell. That's excellent. After watching, I get the feeling the new X870 is an excellent board, but I’m not sure it’s 50% better again than the B650 one. Check the price difference, but I’m still leaning toward the B650. Sounds like there are use cases (like the very latest revisions of the DDR5 standard) where the newer one is slightly better, at least for overclocking, or at least for 192 GB 4x DIMM or 8 DIMM kits in Threadrippers type things, error corrected RAM ~ If that’s not what you’re doing, then I don’t know that the new board is any better than the B650 version. There are improvements, but they don’t seem to relate to anything I do as a Linux desktop neckbeard.
Nice to know my 4 sticks cl16 3600Mhz DDR4 on my 570 board with 5800X3D is flawless, never seen any problem running four sticks on it! The cookie was good! ;)
AsRock has disqualified itself with that motherboard design cutting away the third PCIe slot, even if it only could have had chipset PCIe there. The ASUS ProArt X870E offers a third, electrically x4 PCIe slot.
This is serious problem with x600 and 800 boards, literally no choice except the very expensive ASUS ProArt when you just need x16 GPU + NIC that needs x4 (or forbid you need anything more, then totally screwed). GPU-s are fat so the second PCIe needs to be 5 slots down and that eliminates almost all boards from choice. Waiting for Taichi x570 successor but have not found anything as all AM5 boards are nerfed. Could hack something together with riser cables if completely desperate.
The problem with that one is it is missing an extra 8 pin power connector for if you are running 2 GPUs. You might be better off with the x870e Hero, but that one doesn't have 10 gig (sorta solved with adapter). One hand giveth and the other taketh away. I wish someone like our main man Wendel would talk about that. Does it matter for lets say running 2x 4070s or is it only and issue for running lets say 2x 4090s? What is the threshold needed for the extra 8 pin power plug?
Thanks for the early review. Currently, I can do pretty fast RAM speeds on my Gene, but I don’t see any real benefit with zen 4 over 6000C28. Guess I’ll wait until zen 6.
Lower latency larger dims at faster speeds. Basicly the same stuff you get with every uplift per gen. Again if your not looking for bleeding edge performance no high end board will ever be a must have
14:52 I am looking to buy the Taichi X870E with the 9950X. I would like 64 GB of RAM at the fastest speed possible for maximum stability. What configuration of RAM sticks should I get? Even an exact model would be great! Thank you!
For one blazing second, ASRock had me with a top end board with zero RGB. Identical in everyway, to the top board, except the RGB stuff. Then they went and spoilt it. Cheaping out on backplates and other penny pinching options. A 55 difference in my local metric shekel between these two boards.
*ASRock just rock ! They make the BEST motherboards !* And their costumer service is PERFECT ! ( At least in the Netherlands/Holland ) I build around 50 systems a year, and since 2 years, I ONLY buy/use ASRock ! Just stay away from MSI, Gigabyte, and certainly ASUS !!!
I wish more motherboards still came with some USB 2.0 ports. I always hate burning a whole USB 3.1 port on a keyboard that'd work just as well over USB 1.0
you realize even if you get the 16 core cpu,that only gives you 32 lanes. be hard pressed to have more than 1gb nic and a single slow m.2. you need to be looking at threadripper/workstation boards if you actually need to run 3 pcie slots.
Congratulations on getting 2 kits to work at DDR5 5200, I honestly didn't think it could be done. I wonder if anyone will make a 4 stick CU-DIMM kit (6400 hint, hint, wink)?
The X470 Taichi boards had an appealing aesthetic (and price, and function) at a time when boards tended to all look alike. The x570 got ugly, the x670 a bit better. This set look great and are feature-packed. Overkill for my use, but pretty cool.
I really wish these board vendors would put a x16 physical/x4 electrical pci-e slot connected to the chipset on these. Even if it’s only gen 3 that still allows things like dual 10gig nic, a nice capture card, a sas hba, etc. It would be so much more useful than a 3rd m.2 slot, and if you wanted m.2 a riser is dirt cheap.
Frankly I think three M.2 is kind of the minimum. Let the last one share lanes with a slot for both people still running multiple GPUs in a consumer platform, but on AM5 three M.2 plus one x16 PCIe slot means you can use the entire processor. Love my B650I Aorus Ultra for this reason. ITX boards that don’t just throw half the lanes away are few and far between.
Would love to see you take a closer look at the ASROCK X870E NOVA, which I would say is the not so obvious choice for a Linux user (I say this as a NixOS, GPU pass through looking glass, running both win11 vm and osx-kvm, user).
kinda wish they included the ez latch for the graphics card in the lite variant, especially with this trend of manufacturers including beefier heatsinks on them it is pretty much a requirement for anyone without noodle hands.
After the last taichi being a bit boring, this one looks like a "back to the basics" approach. I love all the small features, for example the thermal probes, quick-release, the rear IO selection, less RGB... very nice.
I would love to see a comparison between the Asrock X670E and X870E motherboards to see if you really can improve your computer for gaming or transcoding.
Question: What is max no. displays (4K @ 60Hz) which can be connected to this board, to be driven from iGPU using 9900X CPU? I understand this board has 1x HDMI and 2x USB 4 (supporting DP over USB). In principle, each USB 4 port could output to two 4K displays @ 60Hz (using an MST USB-C to dual DP adaptor). So I wonder whether it might be possible to drive FOUR, or even FIVE 4K @ 60Hz displays from the iGPU? (of course, another limitation is max no 4K @ 60Hz displays supported by 9900X iGPU itself, I heard this might be a max of FOUR, but unconfirmed?) I am planning new build using Ryzen 9900X and X870/X870E Mobo. Will not be used for gaming, for productivity only. I won’t install a discrete graphics card, will rely only on integrated graphics.
4 sticks of ram at 5600. "Nothing is more annoying than a computer that is slightly unstable" Haha yep that has been my past 2 weeks trying to do whatever I can to get my 4 sticks running. Oh well I have found stability at 4800 and that's good enough
I have my 3950x running 128gb at 3600 and 4 2TB m.2's with dual 6800xt's. all liquid cooled even the m.2's. Incredibly fast system. all on an x570 motherboard.
Man why does all of gigabytes 870, 870e boards have the Debug led and gpu release button, but on Gigabytes 670 boards only the expensive ones {400plus} have the led Debug and gpu button. i Bought a open box Aorus Master X670e Pro x white motherboard for 200 but it retails at 299,no led Debug,🙁or gpu button release button. Msi is getting with the program and its doing the same as gigabyte with more features than Asus and Asrock on cheaper models.
Does USB4 work during boot? That is, if you connect a USB4 or Thunderbolt 3 dock to it, does the monitor work at boot, and do USB devices such as a keyboard and mouse work at boot? My last experience with Asrock and Thunderbolt was a disaster: the X570 ITX/TB3, where the BIOS doesn't even bother reserving resources to allow any Thunderbolt devices to actually work, even once the OS booted. I'm wary that these boards might be similarly useless at it.
ThX for your work. Have 2 questions. Are there still the high voltages restriction for DDR5? Could not boot with olders Taichi above 1.4300V for VDD. Sec question, which eCLK steps are possible? 1.0 or 0.5 steps? I mean not the normal BCLK. Greetz 😊
What temps were you getting using the T705 and motherboard heatsink? I'm receiving the X870E Taichi soon and thought about getting the 4TB T705 as the main SSD.
Hello Wendell which one do you recommend the MSI 970E Carbon Wifi in a seperate review you did or the AsRock Taichi 870E Lite. I have Only a AMD RX 7800XT Graphics card and a Mellanox X3 card with a AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Processor.
Maybe I do not understand something, but I've got an X670E mobo and the default RAM voltage at 4800 is 1.1 V as well. What is new with X870E? Your CPU-Z screenshot indicates you need 1.35V at 6000, so again: the same as x670E.
Looking for the micro-atx refresh love... also are all the VMIO grouping issues a thing of the past? since 9000 (mostly) all have igpu's that unicorn gpu passing back and forth between linux host and win guest hopefully will be more attainable.
It's wonderful how AsRock has gone from "ew" to not only being prefered over Grand daddy Asus, but boards like the Taichi's are hard sought after now. Think when I picked up my X79 Professional back then, they were on that edge. I couldn't tell though. Still running solid and never any issues here.
Thats all nice but 480 $ in Eu is not what i was expecting .. To pricy .. any other advice for 7950x3d , something maybe less priced????? .... Then i will go lite b650e for 280 $ and forget about usb 4.... or steel legend 870 same price..
Here in Canada, the lite edition is $570+ 12% taxes, which is also too rich for me. I have built systems for myself friends and family since the 1990s and sorry to say that after the tech episodes of 2024, my heart is not into building a new system.
@@GregM i think i will go with b650E taichi lite with 26 virtual phases and forget about 870.. or some 670e will see now.. Gaming difference is none, so 500$ for 1 more usb 4 is no go for me.....
I love what ASrock is doing with these "lite" releases. I hate paying for the RGB garbage
Same here! great models.
yes. We don't need useless rgb
I still love RGB garbage 🤣🤣
I love RGB and that's why it's great they gave us a choice
@@oOooooooooyeah1 Huh? You have had the RGB choice since the plague arrived, clean board availability was the problem choice.
"Two m.2 is all you need"
Who is this man?! And where is the real Wendell!!!!!
I think you can't even run all m.2 and pcie slots at the same time at full speeds so you can't even if you wanted too. Kinda sucks but I think it is the case for several of the 870e boards
Would trade m.2 slots for pcie slots…
@@dekko4crux442 According to ASRock's website, it looks like you can actually populate all four m.2 slots with no trade-offs. The only thing I'm seeing is the two x16 slots sharing lanes if both are populated.
@@dekko4crux442 bummer, i keep looking for a board i can use for a NAS with 4 PCIE x16 slots where all gen 4 (or heck gen 3) lanes are usable and can be bifurcated -AND that has USB4 🙂
And what's in his Steam library?
Experiments for future creator boards.
(1.) At what point is the extra 8pin power connector needed? Example: Is it needed for 2x 4070s? Or is it needed when you go over 2x 4080s? What is the threashold?
(2.) PCIe lanes; How much of stability issues will creators have filling up all the slots with GPUs and drives? Can we avoid spending twice as much on threadripper builds with the new x870e advancements?
(3.) Can we run 128 gigs of ram now with the new architecture at lower speeds with stability. AE artists need that. Thank you!
Something about that backplate is rather appealing.
I'd pay the extra $60 for that and the better GPU release.
Asrock used to be C tier, now it's easily A tier.
It is certainly an affordable X870E motherboard that also has a lot of bang for the buck.
Didn't they permanently blacklist Hardware unboxed
@@canaconn2388what happened? 😂
@@canaconn2388 Cannot blame them for that, there are many trashier youtube channels, but they are still in that area.
somehow peformance doesnt show that
Great review! I ordered the X870E Nova this morning for my Linux workstation. I'll be running down to Microcenter this weekend to pickip a 9950X to pair with it.
Please let me know how how the Nova is, Everyone online is saying it's the best motherboard for this generation but yet I cannot find a single youtube video about it in english
@@EthanHernandez-r8m So far I'm happy with it. It dropped right in place of my 13700K setup, transplanted my NVMEs and 64 gigs of DDR5 6000 RAM and booted right up. No complains from me.
Which distro and kernel version? Everything work ok?
@rkalla Arch, Zen kernel. Works flawless. I did need to install the Realtek NIC driver for the new 5-gig NIC chip, but that took 30 seconds since there's already a package for it in the AUR.
I love what ASrock has done with the Taichi Lite. Now I need them to do the same thing but in an mITX board for my desired Fractal Era 2 build.
OMG, that EZ-Release is a godsend! I'd buy this damn board just for that alone :O
I love my B650E Taichi Lite. Fantastic concept, excellent execution. It looks like supplies have been dwindling though as this X870E version has been rolling out, and it's going to be super sad if they stop making the ~$250 B650E Lite and try to drive everyone to the $400 X870E Lite, thereby completely missing the point.
I have a 7800x3d on an Asrock x670e tai chi that I previously ran ddr5 6000mhz across all 4 dims without a problem and no tuning I just installed them and that's just my personal experience so I'll take it I won the silicon and board lottery.
ASRock has become my go-to motherboard. I have a Z690 Taichi, a B460 Pro4, and an inbound Z690 PG Velocita. I didn't wait for X870 to build my 7800X3D machine; it's going on a B650E Taichi Lite. (I got my 7800X3D before the recent shortage and price increase.) Given how well things are going with these builds, I'll be using ASRock boards until I have a good reason to change.
5:40 I understand the desire for quick release, by people who frequently change hardware, for testing etc. But I would much rather have everything screwed down (including case panels). Done and dusted, very simple, no risk.
@5:43 I honestly think they add this for the tech reviewers who actually do utilize it faaaaaaar more often than the average user that puts in a hard drive and forgets about it till the next pc build.
we need more pci express lanes, that is all we've ever really needed.
The problem is companies want to sell workstation motherboards. Giving you more PCIe lanes defeats that purpose.
@@PowellCat745 do they really? If they wanted there would’ve been a choice and not 2 mb for a $1000 :(
@@PowellCat745 40ish lanes seems like a solid move imb.
Enough to use all them extra M.2 and other PCIe slots for most and even those doing more than the typical user, while not touching on what real heavy workstation users needs.
Case in point: the 64 lanes on my X399 motherboard have me in a pinch 😂
I've always said it. The i/r 9 need that feature. Drop it a. R9 and it can utilize all 40ish lanes. R7 amd under only has what they get now.
They already sorta do it in reverse when they release their laptop chips to desktop, plus these boards are crazy expensive. This would actually justify that price (even though I'm pretty sure PCIe itself IS the expensive thing here)
The Ez-release GPU bracket is kind of a big deal with how completely sandwiched the retention clip is on modern boards. It's no longer just a matter of removing a CPU heat sink for some boards, you now have to also disassemble the top M.2 slot just to reach the clip. I'm willing to pay an additional $50 for that plus the pretty large backplate the normal Taichi has over the Lite.
As far as fan tuning goes...it's nice that there's something useful with this board, but I'll just stick with "Fan Control".
low to no rgb builds are back! I love me some UFO builds, but more understated, classy builds are great too and definitely deserve the love
Keeping the kits on the same channel works better even on DDR4, on a spare parts am4 machine I was using a basically e-waste 2x8 kit and 2x8 3200 cl14, infinitely more stable with one kit per channel, it runs at 3200 with only slightly looser timings than the better sticks, but split across both channels it would crash once or twice every 24 hours and only boot consistently at 2666 with really loose timings. Both kits ran at their advertised speed and timings or better individually on the same motherboard.
I’ll have a Lite, please! Excellent review, as always, Wendell. Thank you.
Ty Sir! Greatly enjoy and appreciate your time and channel! All the best to you and your family.
I run 2 x DDR5-6400 48GB on a 650 chipset with a 7950X3D. Glad to see the AM5 supports 4 dimms in certain configs and matching kits as you suggested.
Looked up the price of the Taichi Lite, and... $400 is a huge ask for a motherboard, and I thought $190 for my X570 was a stretch in 2020.
especially huge for something with "Lite" in the title.. I guess its all relative but I can't imagine these boards will be flying off the shelves.
"Ask" is a verb, not a noun.
@@feakhelek1 Of all of the terrible grammar throughout this video's comments, you nitpick an accepted common-usage noun application of the word "ask"?
I love the fact that there are so many fan headers and three temperature sensors to attach anywhere. By strategically placing the sensors (e.g., on to a CPU tower cooler) one can get great but smooth cooling performance (avoiding short CPU temp spikes, for instance). I hope the ASRock Bios fantastic fan speed ramping feature works. My Asus Z270F nominally had the feature (to increase/decrease fan speed within a given time period, e.g., 2s), but it just did not work in practice.
You got me at NO RGB!!! Thanks, I would love to buy that, I despise RGB garbage.
The Taichi X879E Linux is the way to go, great video Wendell!. I hope you can get a MoBo with CAMM2 DDR5 RAM and share all the craziness with us!
I love this boards, way beyond my budget, even the cheaper version, lol! Thank you, as always, for the amazing content!
I don't care about anything until they give us more lanes, 4 channel memory is also kind of needed at the raw CPU powers we're talking about.
If your constrained you should be on threadeipper. People forget these are boards for gaming not workstations. Like buying a sports car then being mad that it dosent seat 6
@@mddunlap03 Threadripper is a terrible platform, neglected by board partners and AMD
@@mddunlap03 My AM2+ has 40+4 lanes. (The +4 handle most of the USB and such) and they didn't even have NVMe needing lanes back then.
I got the last gen Taichi Lite, absolutely solid ass board. Totally worth paying the extra $
Why there’s not even a single x1 pcie slot routed from the chipset, it’s kinda insane looking for an upgrade from x570 and having no good options if you have anything besides the gpu
That is why I am not moving up - I have a number of PCIe cards (Sound, SATA, & external PCIe)
x670E steel legend isnt bad for pcie slots onboard audio is ight too
When I watch your videos the only thing I can say is just (like Tina Turner's sang) you're simply the best.
I've been a fan of ASRock for a few years now, particularly their Taichi line (main is a 5800X3D Taichi X570 with a Taichi 7900XTX, that replaced the Taichi 6800 XT still running in another box). What I liked the most about ASRock was the general sense that they not only had good quality and features at a reasonable price, but the also weren't shy about trying new things/going a bit off the beaten path. Ever since PCIe Gen5 though, everything is stagnant and stupid, and it's not just ASRock. What exactly is the point of Gen5 when however many lanes/card slots/DIMM slots are on the board you can only ever use half of them to actually get the full speed? The "5090" is just now the first Gen5 GPU to be showing up, and the consumer M2 market isn't exactly brimming with Gen5 choices either. So not only are there few possibilities anyway, Gen5 board manufacturers might as well drop everything larger than M-ITX anyhow because one slot and two DIMMs is the apparent limit regardless.
I'm not a board engineer, maybe I'm the stupid one and just don't understand how any of this works, fine. But I still think that if anyone would figure out a way to make a board with ONE Gen5 GPU slot and ONE Gen5 M2 slot, and populate the rest of it with an actual functional common sense/common use slot & lane arrangement (2-3 PCIe Gen4 x16 slots, maybe 1-2 Gen4 M2, a few front/a few back USB 3-4's, a half dozen SATA ports etc.)...... That manufacturer would likely crush the market.
C'mon ASRock, you you can do it, save me from shopping on Alibaba 😁
You got it so right, man!
I agree. ASROCK was the leader in I/O flexibility for a long time and I was waiting for them to release something. Imagine my surprise when ASUS actually stepped up with the PRIME X670-P WIFI. Meets most of your specs and why I bought one. Probably the last of a
dying breed.
A board like that is exactly what I want. Can't really say anything more than what you said.
I would honestly kill for a board that has one PCIe Gen5 x16, one M.2 Gen5 x4, and like three PCIe x16 at Gen4 or even Gen3. I just need slots and lanes...
Unfortunately, the lane count is hard to increase economically. I'm pretty sure it's much cheaper to upgrade the design of a port from Gen4 x4 to Gen5 x4 than to upgrade from Gen4 x4 to Gen4 x8. Widening a link requires more physical transceivers on the silicon, more solder pads on the chip, more traces on the board, maybe even more layers on the board. The only other way to "add lanes" is to use a PCIe bridge chip, but Broadcom has a price-gouging strangle-hold on that market and has been holding back widespread PCIe adoption for years.
wasnt that tech yes city talking about ring buffer, that is ultra fast but cos its not big enough fills fast with data and there are so many devices that send data to it and it bottlenecks today computer performance. computers today have same problem like 1gbit ethernet with jumbo packets. its fast as long you send a lot of data in big packets, like downloading 10GB file, but when you play game and send 4KB packets to 30 people it will suffocate your 10GB file download, far worse than 100mbit ethernet
Did you try ECC RAM?
Just bought one. KSM56E46BD8KM-32HA is detected by ras-mc-ctl and seems to work.
Wendellman! With a fresh dose of *Taichi!* My favorite! 🤗
ASRock FTW, baby! 💯
I can't say I've ever been in such a hurry that unscrewing the single M.2 screw was a deal breaker.
Frankly I prefer it. On several occasions I’ve had a flaky M.2 drive only to find upon removing the cover, that the latch has unhooked itself. Put it back down and the drive magically works again. That’s never been an issue with screw-in slots.
How often are “gamers” or whatever the target audience for this nonsense is switching out their drives that a quick-release latch is worth bothering with??
I am loving Ryzen 9000. My 9700x is running 6400MT/s on the memory with 2133mhz on FCLK and of course IMC is 1 to 1 with memory frequency. I tuned down the timings and I have a 58ns latency. I could maybe get it down to 56-57ns. At that point if I can I will be as low latency as my 5600x but with double the memory bandwidth. Epic stuff. I am loving using AVX512 in handbrake for x265 encodes. 1080p fast preset is on par with Vega 64's hardware encoder in terms of performance while crushing it in terms of quality. I am happy I went with Zen 5 tbh.
I will wait till the prices come down to a reasonable level. Pricing in my country (india) is very bad. I originally wanted to upgrade to zen 5 and I was on zen+, seeing the prices, I bought myself a 5700G and I am already happy. My PC already feels new. May be in 2 years I might upgrade to zen 7 or 8
I am undecided. Price is not important The best features and performance I want. ASROCK X870E Taichi and ASUS ROG STRIX X870E-E Gaming WiFi? Which one do you think your comment is valuable to me.
It's hard to justify these prices with mediocre PCIe lane configurations and no proper speed 4 dimm support
Applies to 9000 series CPUs too, this whole generation is a pass all around.
Still better than anything intell offers.
@jmazoso if you need that much pcie your already on threadripper
@@mddunlap03 It's not just the lack of pcie slots, but also the fact that the second slot shares bandwidth with the main one if you ever dare to use it. Sure, it's fine if what you want to do is run two GPUS, but what if you want to add a much lower bandwidth card like a network card, a video capture card or even a sound card? Then you are compromising the performance of the GPU on the main slot for a pitance of bandwidth actually required to run the second device on the second slot. It would be nice to have an extra pcie x1/x2/x4 slot for those cases, or some kind of solution that allows the second slot to run at an even lower bandwidth without affecting the first slot.
I don't understand why mother board manufacturers are all obsessed with using all their lanes for all M.2.
I love the steel legend x670e. It's the ONLY bother board with dedicated CPU lanes for both PCIE slots.
Also, they were smart enough to position the 2nd PCIE slots at the lowest slot height, and the upper slot at the very top.
Taichui, and others don't seem to have realized that big HPUs are like 3"+ thick.. and if you have a NIC or a capture card in the bottom slot it's going to suffocate your GPU.
But all they seem to care about is "MOAR M.2".
If AsRock want to have an ambassador I believe you should be the one
Yay, for a variant without the RGB christmas tree lighting effects!
Again, very impressed with your knowledge of it all. Keep em coming Wendell!
A board that offer full fat features without the fluff of RGB etc. About time.
All meat, no filler.
A slab of tech that fits my plate perfectly.
The price? Well...
I wasn't sure that this board would be the one for me until I heard that Asrock subscribed to a philosophy of infinite potential
Really like them, but skip the wifi and give me 10Gbit NIC instead.
Yes! I'm not getting these boards only because of that... So moronic when all other vendors have 10 Gbit..
@@W0ND3RB0Y1 The other boards I've seen have gone to 5GbE, not 10.
@@concinnus yeah, apparently so on this generation of boards, only the MSI Godlike have 10 Gbit.. Seems like I'll get an Asrock or Gigabyte board this time around and put in a 10 Gbit NIC.. Won't fork out money for partial functionality tbh.. Might even get a previous gen board, if I can find one that supports ECC fully.. This is ridiculous..
I wouldn't mind if they gave me a slot to put a nic in
Aye, gonna suck having to gimp your GPU just to add a proper NIC. Hell, skip one of the USB4 ports, one is enough as I'd probably never even use one during this boards lifetime. Skip some of the USB3.2 and 3.1 as well and there should be enough for a proper Gen4 X4 and even X8 slots.
22:22 I have to pre-cache, too. You're not alone.
ASRock X870E Tai Chi big selling point is all the RGB and quick release gpu
Just ordered the X870E Taichi and the only reason for me to get it over the lite is ... the GPU easy release. I don't know why that piece of plastic is not on the lite. Seriously, ASRock? -.-
nice choice, i preodered the x870e nova wifi for my new personal setup, really like asrock as have top quality with lower prices vs other brands
@@arthur_pd Unfortunately that's very relative ...
The Taichi Ultimate was the MOST expensive X470 board from ASRock at 250,- Euros.
The Pro RS is the LEAST expensive X870 board from ASRock at 250,- Euros.
And my X870E Taichi is now almost 500,- Euros.
@@noenken that true if only speaking of 1 product, but if compare to another brands flagship, then it is one of the cheapest with matching features
You should have gotten the ASRock Nova.x870e
@@jedimaster1541 Comparing specs that actually looks like a solid idea. I might do that, I haven't opened the Taichi yet and can send it back. Thanks for the recommendation. :)
Is 5G LAN and Wi-Fi 7 chipset works fine under linux? What is the NIC on this board? I saw MSI heavily advertising support for 320Mhz channel for WiFi 7 **unlike** their competitors, but they are using Qualcomm chip and the stability of that one under linux is still questionable.
yes, really want to know which wifi module those board have. I can't find anything on the spec sheet or the manual
you talk about driver stability as code or device, cos as wifi is never stable, as device. my galaxy s7 that has broadcom one of the best and realtek that make wifi chipsets, when phone hungs its always when i click icon to turn on wifi. same is experience with broadcom on pc and laptop, when there is no inferference, no other networks on channel it could reach whole 300mbit, but same channel and it dropped down to 5mbit. recently i had to rename 2G and 5G virgin SSID from same name to _2G and _5G, cos someone next to me has 80% power same channel wifi and i could not connect my s7 and other tenant his laptop to wifi. cos it always tries 2G first. now i connect only to 5G and problem gone, still peformance that was 850mbit as ac network now its 300mbit
I expect the 9000 series and the x870 will be considered AMDs "lost generation"
on my two threadripper systems.... Microsoft Storage Spaces works quite well as long as you custom configure it to have the correct number of drive striping via creation on powershell.
I used 4x 2TB nvme on one of those riser cards with bifurcation enabled.
If only AM5 had enough lanes to have 2x 16x slots
Taichi never failed me, might get one from this generation, too.
Firstly ~ thank you Wendell. That's excellent.
After watching, I get the feeling the new X870 is an excellent board, but I’m not sure it’s 50% better again than the B650 one. Check the price difference, but I’m still leaning toward the B650.
Sounds like there are use cases (like the very latest revisions of the DDR5 standard) where the newer one is slightly better, at least for overclocking, or at least for 192 GB 4x DIMM or 8 DIMM kits in Threadrippers type things, error corrected RAM ~ If that’s not what you’re doing, then I don’t know that the new board is any better than the B650 version. There are improvements, but they don’t seem to relate to anything I do as a Linux desktop neckbeard.
Nice to know my 4 sticks cl16 3600Mhz DDR4 on my 570 board with 5800X3D is flawless, never seen any problem running four sticks on it! The cookie was good! ;)
Thank you, Wendellman! 🙏🏼👍🏼⭐
thank you! you always save the day from misleading information :D
AsRock has disqualified itself with that motherboard design cutting away the third PCIe slot, even if it only could have had chipset PCIe there. The ASUS ProArt X870E offers a third, electrically x4 PCIe slot.
This is serious problem with x600 and 800 boards, literally no choice except the very expensive ASUS ProArt when you just need x16 GPU + NIC that needs x4 (or forbid you need anything more, then totally screwed). GPU-s are fat so the second PCIe needs to be 5 slots down and that eliminates almost all boards from choice. Waiting for Taichi x570 successor but have not found anything as all AM5 boards are nerfed.
Could hack something together with riser cables if completely desperate.
The problem with that one is it is missing an extra 8 pin power connector for if you are running 2 GPUs. You might be better off with the x870e Hero, but that one doesn't have 10 gig (sorta solved with adapter). One hand giveth and the other taketh away. I wish someone like our main man Wendel would talk about that. Does it matter for lets say running 2x 4070s or is it only and issue for running lets say 2x 4090s? What is the threshold needed for the extra 8 pin power plug?
19:28 ....... *Hmmm ....... Would you recommend an SSD cooler with an (probably noisy) fan, Like an "GrauGear G-M2HP04-F" ?*
Was the 8200 actually VT3 and memtest stable?
probably not... its a 2dpc mobo... and also its still quite a bit slower compared to my 6400 C30 1:1 on x670 proart with 7950x
If I'm running a 7800x3d paired with this board what ram do you recommend?
Enjoyed every minute of this one!
Thanks for the early review. Currently, I can do pretty fast RAM speeds on my Gene, but I don’t see any real benefit with zen 4 over 6000C28. Guess I’ll wait until zen 6.
Lower latency larger dims at faster speeds. Basicly the same stuff you get with every uplift per gen. Again if your not looking for bleeding edge performance no high end board will ever be a must have
The only 800 series boards with 6 sata ports, which I need.
14:52 I am looking to buy the Taichi X870E with the 9950X. I would like 64 GB of RAM at the fastest speed possible for maximum stability. What configuration of RAM sticks should I get? Even an exact model would be great! Thank you!
lmao, 10:59 is so true, Im here to hear about the lite, not the non-lite.
For one blazing second, ASRock had me with a top end board with zero RGB. Identical in everyway, to the top board, except the RGB stuff. Then they went and spoilt it. Cheaping out on backplates and other penny pinching options. A 55 difference in my local metric shekel between these two boards.
*ASRock just rock ! They make the BEST motherboards !* And their costumer service is PERFECT ! ( At least in the Netherlands/Holland )
I build around 50 systems a year, and since 2 years, I ONLY buy/use ASRock ! Just stay away from MSI, Gigabyte, and certainly ASUS !!!
I wish more motherboards still came with some USB 2.0 ports. I always hate burning a whole USB 3.1 port on a keyboard that'd work just as well over USB 1.0
It’s here, finally!
Can't wait to see which motherboard maker will be the first to make an X870 board with 3 pci-e 5.0 8x capable slots!
Womp womp
you realize even if you get the 16 core cpu,that only gives you 32 lanes. be hard pressed to have more than 1gb nic and a single slow m.2.
you need to be looking at threadripper/workstation boards if you actually need to run 3 pcie slots.
Congratulations on getting 2 kits to work at DDR5 5200, I honestly didn't think it could be done. I wonder if anyone will make a 4 stick CU-DIMM kit (6400 hint, hint, wink)?
The X470 Taichi boards had an appealing aesthetic (and price, and function) at a time when boards tended to all look alike. The x570 got ugly, the x670 a bit better. This set look great and are feature-packed. Overkill for my use, but pretty cool.
I really wish these board vendors would put a x16 physical/x4 electrical pci-e slot connected to the chipset on these. Even if it’s only gen 3 that still allows things like dual 10gig nic, a nice capture card, a sas hba, etc. It would be so much more useful than a 3rd m.2 slot, and if you wanted m.2 a riser is dirt cheap.
Frankly I think three M.2 is kind of the minimum. Let the last one share lanes with a slot for both people still running multiple GPUs in a consumer platform, but on AM5 three M.2 plus one x16 PCIe slot means you can use the entire processor.
Love my B650I Aorus Ultra for this reason. ITX boards that don’t just throw half the lanes away are few and far between.
how does the thermals compare? does that backplate make any difference looking to grab the lite for my 9800X3D first time AMD build :D
Would love to see you take a closer look at the ASROCK X870E NOVA, which I would say is the not so obvious choice for a Linux user (I say this as a NixOS, GPU pass through looking glass, running both win11 vm and osx-kvm, user).
kinda wish they included the ez latch for the graphics card in the lite variant, especially with this trend of manufacturers including beefier heatsinks on them it is pretty much a requirement for anyone without noodle hands.
After the last taichi being a bit boring, this one looks like a "back to the basics" approach. I love all the small features, for example the thermal probes, quick-release, the rear IO selection, less RGB... very nice.
I would love to see a comparison between the Asrock X670E and X870E motherboards to see if you really can improve your computer for gaming or transcoding.
Question: What is max no. displays (4K @ 60Hz) which can be connected to this board, to be driven from iGPU using 9900X CPU?
I understand this board has 1x HDMI and 2x USB 4 (supporting DP over USB). In principle, each USB 4 port could output to two 4K displays @ 60Hz (using an MST USB-C to dual DP adaptor). So I wonder whether it might be possible to drive FOUR, or even FIVE 4K @ 60Hz displays from the iGPU?
(of course, another limitation is max no 4K @ 60Hz displays supported by 9900X iGPU itself, I heard this might be a max of FOUR, but unconfirmed?)
I am planning new build using Ryzen 9900X and X870/X870E Mobo. Will not be used for gaming, for productivity only. I won’t install a discrete graphics card, will rely only on integrated graphics.
4 sticks of ram at 5600. "Nothing is more annoying than a computer that is slightly unstable" Haha yep that has been my past 2 weeks trying to do whatever I can to get my 4 sticks running. Oh well I have found stability at 4800 and that's good enough
I have my 3950x running 128gb at 3600 and 4 2TB m.2's with dual 6800xt's. all liquid cooled even the m.2's. Incredibly fast system. all on an x570 motherboard.
Man why does all of gigabytes 870, 870e boards have the Debug led and gpu release button, but on Gigabytes 670 boards only the expensive ones {400plus} have the led Debug and gpu button. i Bought a open box Aorus Master X670e Pro x white motherboard for 200 but it retails at 299,no led Debug,🙁or gpu button release button. Msi is getting with the program and its doing the same as gigabyte with more features than Asus and Asrock on cheaper models.
Does USB4 work during boot? That is, if you connect a USB4 or Thunderbolt 3 dock to it, does the monitor work at boot, and do USB devices such as a keyboard and mouse work at boot?
My last experience with Asrock and Thunderbolt was a disaster: the X570 ITX/TB3, where the BIOS doesn't even bother reserving resources to allow any Thunderbolt devices to actually work, even once the OS booted. I'm wary that these boards might be similarly useless at it.
ThX for your work. Have 2 questions. Are there still the high voltages restriction for DDR5? Could not boot with olders Taichi above 1.4300V for VDD. Sec question, which eCLK steps are possible? 1.0 or 0.5 steps? I mean not the normal BCLK. Greetz 😊
Hi, would you mind showing them powered up, just subbed but would be interested in seeing the products under power as well
I liked asrock the most of the pc hyenas, but now I'm a fan. Fk'n hate unicorn vomit, this is awesome !
Love Wendell reviews!
This is nice. This is what I would go for; if I didn't want mATX.
What temps were you getting using the T705 and motherboard heatsink? I'm receiving the X870E Taichi soon and thought about getting the 4TB T705 as the main SSD.
I will never understand why high-end motherboards nowadays not include PCIE switch like old high end motherboard used to
Hello Wendell which one do you recommend the MSI 970E Carbon Wifi in a seperate review you did or the AsRock Taichi 870E Lite. I have Only a AMD RX 7800XT Graphics card and a Mellanox X3 card with a AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Processor.
Maybe I do not understand something, but I've got an X670E mobo and the default RAM voltage at 4800 is 1.1 V as well. What is new with X870E? Your CPU-Z screenshot indicates you need 1.35V at 6000, so again: the same as x670E.
"Lite" for no lights.. i love the irony :D
Looking for the micro-atx refresh love... also are all the VMIO grouping issues a thing of the past? since 9000 (mostly) all have igpu's that unicorn gpu passing back and forth between linux host and win guest hopefully will be more attainable.
It's wonderful how AsRock has gone from "ew" to not only being prefered over Grand daddy Asus, but boards like the Taichi's are hard sought after now.
Think when I picked up my X79 Professional back then, they were on that edge. I couldn't tell though. Still running solid and never any issues here.
can we use new noctua's with these boards or will the m.2 heatsink get in the way?
Are there any E-ATX X870 boards? At these prices they should be at the forefront.
you forgot about the quick release for the PCIe, which are nice!.
Slots...I want slots. I need to put my lovely Optane drives in a slot!!!
Thats all nice but 480 $ in Eu is not what i was expecting .. To pricy .. any other advice for 7950x3d , something maybe less priced?????
.... Then i will go lite b650e for 280 $ and forget about usb 4.... or steel legend 870 same price..
Been on x670e steel legend and it's come way down from launch prices just watch for sales
@@mddunlap03 yes but waited for mb for month .. cant wait anymore lol
Here in Canada, the lite edition is $570+ 12% taxes, which is also too rich for me. I have built systems for myself friends and family since the 1990s and sorry to say that after the tech episodes of 2024, my heart is not into building a new system.
@@GregM i think i will go with b650E taichi lite with 26 virtual phases and forget about 870.. or some 670e will see now.. Gaming difference is none, so 500$ for 1 more usb 4 is no go for me.....
Yeah I'm waiting till after Xmas...see whats going on then.
My MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK is also without RGB :)