Predicting the Comic Market in 20 Years!
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- What will the comic book market look like in 20 years?!?!?! Find out reasons to be optimistic, but also concerned in this new series.
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hulk 181 is a lot more common than most people realize
100%. That goes for a lot of books
@@wahoocomics the print runs of popular bronze age books were huge. Even if only 10% survived we're into the 10's of thousands of copys.
@@Whalewraith Exactly. Even though I love many of those books, they are not rare.
I can agree there I’ve sold 37 copies in the last year . But it definitely brings great cash . I find that book fairly often .
New Mutants 98, even more so.
I think Classic Cars, Comics, Cards, Vinyls, houses, land, guitars, and most of everything will drop. I keep telling people to just enjoy the hobby. I recommend everyone have the hobby funded by the hobby rather than using their 9-5 job. I started with a baseline of $10k collection and basically over the years tripled the worth of my collection with Bigger Golden Age books and some silver age keys,
I totally agree that much more than comics are set to drop. I also agree with getting the hobby to fund itself...that way, even if everything goes to zero, you haven't really put yourself in a terrible financial situation.
@@wahoocomicsbuying what you actually like rather than for speculation at least gives you a collection that's of value to yourself.
Possibly. Land though?
@@Whalewraith 100%. Monetary value is only one type of value. There are certainly other types of value, such as joy, that this hobby can bring.
@@RobinApplewood Good question. I don't think land is going down anytime soon, but even land will have more available inventory once boomers start to pass, so I do think there will be a housing correction at some point. On the flip side, I could be wrong, because land is one thing that we are not making more of! (unless Elon gets us to Mars, lol)
If you’re buying comics as an investment good luck. If you’re buying just because they mean more to you than $$$ then you’re fine.
Good point. I think one of the great things about comics is that they can bring a lot of emotional value while still holding at least some financial value. But, if $$$ is the only factor, then there are certainly much safer options like index funds. Thanks for watching and commenting!
This video is so on point, great video!
Thank you! I really appreciate the encouraging comment!
Here's another fact..... THOUSANDS of comics (if not hundreds of thousands) of comics are lost EVERY year due to natural disasters, fires, or plain human error. Therefore, there will always be fewer books of those originally printed year after year.
Great point! These are the types of ideas that I'd like to explore in future installments of this series.
There's also a lot that gets thrown in the trash. I threw Hulk # 181 and Spider Man # 129 in the trash.
@drmidnight680-kz2le Oof! That hurts, haha. Great point and thanks for sharing. That is certainly a relevant factor that needs to be considered
@@drmidnight680-kz2le that is awful!!! My mom threatened to throw out my books back in my teens....she said I was too old for comics. She never did. However, I lost quite a few books to a flood.
When i was a kid my mum saw a program on tv about comics being Satans gateway drug and my Ghost Rider's suddenly were nowhere to be found.@@speccollector9740
I love the idea of this new series. There is so much to explore and detail. Great video and darn you for making me think even deeper about comics 😂👍
Thanks man! Getting people to think more deeply about comics really motivates me, so it is both encouraging and helpful to hear that this one did that for you.
I don’t have any kids. And I also don’t want an ASM 300. Score!
Boom! Now you have all the disposable income you could ask for, haha. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Very good point !!! Good video man 👍👍
Thanks man! I appreciate the encouragement!
In 20 years, AI will most likely take over CGC, all the gradings will be done by robots. There will be minimal mishandling of the books and the grading will eliminate all human errors. We will finally get to see which books are truly 9.9 and the "let's just give them a 9.8 cause 9.9 is rare" mentality will be a thing in the past.
I think that is very likely, and I'll be happy when it happens. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@wahoocomics I presume you mean scanning and grading rather than feeding a book into a machine and it pops out graded and encapsulated out the other.
@@Whalewraith Yep, that's what I'm talking about.
The worst thing is that kids aren't coming into the hobby. I think pop culture milestones will hold value as out of context collectables (1st Spidey that kind of things) but 99% of stuff will just have reading value.
Yep, kids not coming into the hobby is a huge issue (that I hope to talk more about in future installments of this series). And, I agree that the true cultural milestones will hold value for the foreseeable future. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Very interesting way to analyze the future market.
Thanks! I'm glad you found it interesting, and I appreciate you watching and commenting!
so basically what you’re telling me is that if i don’t have any kids i’ll be able to have as many comics as i want. Sounds like a plan! thanks!
That's one way of looking at it 🤣
Thanks, this was great information, I was born in 65 and have a nice collection of 8000 books that I collected through the 70, 80, and early 90s. I'm finally cataloging them and have been asking myself this same question of if I should save or sell. Love you to talk about digital comics and if you think this would accelerate this trend or not
Thank you! I think a lot of us are going to be asking that question in the coming years. That's great that you have been cataloging your comics, because I think that will help you enjoy them more if you save them, or make it easier to sell if you go in that direction. And, I am definitely planning to talk about digital comics in a future installment of this series. Stay tuned and thanks for watching and commenting!
I seem to notice the opposite being true.
Most of the people with the least amount of money are the ones that keep having kids, and wasting every dime on "fun stuff".
Of course, it varies.
There are certainly many families that fit that description. Like you said, it varies. In my anecdotal experience, I've observed that large families tend to be on the extreme ends of the spectrum...either really good with money, or really bad with it...not a whole lot of them in between, haha. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great video buddy 👍 Let's go 😎 👍
Thank you! I appreciate it and glad you enjoyed the video!
Okay you got me when you mentioned me. Definitely got a laugh out of me. Are you doing your job? Haha
I was hoping you'd get a kick out of that! Lol
Weather we like it or not. Comics are going digital. Marvel is already selling the same books they release on Wednesday’s as digital NFTs that same day online. They are selling a ton. Now i dont think physical comics will ever totally go away. But as the digital stuff becomes more main stream. They will start printing less and less of the physical books. Which will cause a price increase of any physical books in the future.
Yep, I agree and am hoping to do another installment in this series on the impact that the increasing number of digital comics will have on the market. Thanks for watching and commenting!
yeah I have been planning that. So started to get some graded and have about 30 slabs to sell.
I think that's great!
Well done sir! 👏🏼
Thank you! I appreciate it
People if they are collecting for profit need to think about all this, it's a fun topic, some of which you can look at past history. Forgetting quantity of humans in the future since I think there will be plenty and I think the collecting base continues to expand to throw that worry out, we have the fact that what we collect today will change in the future. I have been through boom and bust in antiques and collectibles, been through stamps, coins, paperweights, cast iron, tin toys, now we are in plastic/paper boom. What one thing has held true in all these markets? The very rarest will always be in demand, always go up even when a market contracts or dies off those really rare pieces will sell. If you want to have something worth more in the future, buy the best highest grade of a character or key issue that you know will last through time like Batman or Spiderman and buy something most people don't already have. Most Golden Age, some Silver will hold its own regardless but the rare ones will go way up, every time I think that's nuts, top tier rare collectibles go higher.
The popular items today that are not popular in the future will go down, the average might stay average but be very hard to sell. in 20/30 years TONS of us will be older and when we try to sell or our kids do there will be less buyers that like these same collectables. BUT wait a minute something new has happened...and maybe just maybe many will keep part of the inherited books as many were successfully pulled into our love, and this is something completely new! I did not want to collect what my father or grandfather collected, like coins, stamps, or my mothers cut glass, papperweights, or hummels.. Nope I went mostly for cards/comics. And something else new, more people than ever before collect, and it's growing! In the past actually my parents didn't actively collect anything. This is very new and could continue to grow to the point most people collect something.
But in the end the only thing that is 100% FACT is buy what you love! I did, and somethings went up over the last 40 years and some went down, but I still love it all! I guess if I could go back I would save up and buy a few very high grade key books I felt were too high instead of buying a bunch of cheaper average books, thats if I wanted the $$.
Lots of great points here, and I especially appreciate the ones contrasting comics to other antiques and collectibles. I hope to touch on some of these in future installments of this series. Thanks for the well thought out comment!
Mystery Graph? I thought it was Dolly Parton on her back. How did I end up in Wahoo Comics health class? You have a sound argument but what you're saying is comic book collecting is no longer a kid's game but has shifted to adults with disposable income. That may be the case but kind of sad considering kids are the original demographics that comics were designed for. Good thing that you're passing your love of comic books to your kids! My Daughters love Marvel movie series, but don't give a hoot about comics. Fun video, brother- thanks for sharing and Good Collecting 👍👍💗💗
LOL! Another comment of the year contender from the Commenting Collector! And, yes, comic collecting (at least on the secondary market) has become more of a thing for adults...but, hopefully, cartoons, etc. can bring the kids into the hobby one day. Thanks as always for watching and supporting!
I agree with the broad strokes of the demographic analysis but think the impact on values is still hard to predict. It would take only 50 "whales" from the art market to switch to comic collecting to keep values moving up. The amount people are willing to spend is inherently elastic.
Good point! There are certainly other market forces at play, and I hope to talk about more of them in future installments of this series. I think the "whales" will especially be likely to keep the values of major grails (Action Comics 1, etc.) moving up. Thanks for watching and adding to the conversation!
Great video. Sorry for getting to this so late. Interesting thoughts. I really think comics will go up in value down the road even non-keys because I can see them going almost all digital and ditch physical. Always enjoying your take on things and unique content. Thanks for sharing. Have a great weekend. Be well. -Dave 🤙
Thanks man! Yeah, I definitely agree that things going digital will have a big impact on the market. In fact, I hope to talk more about that in an upcoming installment of this series! Thanks for watching and supporting!
@@wahoocomics Looking forward to hearing what you have to say about that topic. 👍👍🤙
iIteresting take. Can you explain how it will cause books to increase in value? Seems like there will be more supply and less demand for physical copies
@@RobinApplewood Probably wouldn’t be right away but perhaps over years as hardcore collectors, new collectors and speculators may want to snatch up physical copies. If all goes digital maybe a bunch of stores go out of business. Who knows how many would have the means to keep all their inventory a lot may get trashed. Family of those who pass on may not want to keep books and trash them as well. Of course maybe the stores will do big fire sales to move inventory and cause a spec bubble to burst like in the 90s. 🤷🏼♂️. Could be totally wrong as well lol.
Interesting theory. Thanks man
Thanks! I'm glad you found it interesting! I appreciate you watching and commenting!
VeVe licensed digital comics will save comics
Digital comics are going to have a huge impact for sure. I hope to discuss that in a future installment in this series. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Awesome video! I'm 58 years old, two sons in their early 30's, and I've found it to be a very lonely hobby. I don't really have time to go to conventions, I don't have a good high-end LCS nearby, and I don't have any friends that collect the books I like, the way I like, and in the grades I like. I still treasure my comic collection of about 5,000 books, with the big "stars" being key Marvel books from the 1980-1985 era. I've sent off the keys to CGC, and I have about 400 slabs. But I don't know, no one seems to appreciate the thousands of hours I've spent curating my collection.
Anyway, I love your videos, as well as those from Regie Collects Comics. Thanks for being a new influencer -- I know creating this content takes a lot of time.
Thank you so much for the kind and encouraging words! I really appreciate them. Because I have so many kids, I also don't have time to go to conventions or even an LCS regularly, so the hobby has also been a lonely one for me for most of my collecting journey. UA-cam has really helped, because now I can connect with other collectors after the kids go to bed (this is also why most of my buying is done online). That's awesome that you have been able to put together such a nice collection. I have a soft spot for Marvel keys in the 80s, because those were the first comics I read as a kid. Thanks again for watching and commenting!
Great video, lots of things to think about. I'm a Boomer with a big collection and only one of my grandsons is interested in it, but at least I have one that is. The white board is fine. Karl Rove uses it effectively also. I subscribed. Hope you get to 1000 soon!
Thanks, and I appreciate you subscribing and giving me feedback on the white board! That's cool that you do you have a grandson interested in your collection. I'm sure he'll appreciate any comics you leave behind to him!
I'm already seeing what you described at my local swap meets. I once in awhile see young adults in their 20's trying to sell their late Uncle's old comic book collection and other stuff they inherited... selling them at bargain prices.
I often see owners from the LCS come by and buy the entire collections for cheap. I myself sometimes find good deals at these things.
These sellers are aware that they can look up the prices on-line and maybe get more.... but their goal is to get rid of all of their late Uncle's "junks" asap because it takes up too much space in their homes. They are not out to make a lot of money from this and are not interested in collecting/keeping these things they got stuck with. Their idea is if they offer the items at bargain prices... they can pack up and leave early for the day because they sold/got rid of everything. Now they have more space in their homes freed up... as well as some money to maybe go out for dinner.
I'm thinking that will be what happens to all of our collections in the future.
Exactly! As you describe, selling comics takes a lot of time and space, so most people who inherit a large collection will just be looking to get what they can for it before moving on, especially since they don't have the emotional connection to our collection that we do. If I don't end up selling my collection in my lifetime, I plan to have a box or two labeled as higher value comics that my children will know would probably be worth their time to sell on ebay or something similar, but will just expect them to dump the rest for what they can get at an lcs (unless one of them develops a love for the hobby themselves, of course). Thanks for watching and sharing about how you've already been seeing this in action!
Great video. Never linked the two before. That’s my struggle right now. I have over 15 k books and only 80 graded. Do I grade them to make it easier when I’m gone?
My kids love mostly stray dogs, siktc, and they just read feral. But I will say that they watched new X-men cartoon and now want to read my X-men 97 I just picked up
If you can't bother to sell them while you're living, imagine what a burden it will be for your kids who don't care about them, graded or not. You risk them being tossed or at best given away for pennies on the dollar. Sell them and leave them a good amount of money from them, rather than little or nothing.
Thanks! And, great question. Personally, I've got my collection in 3 sections: slabs for the most valuable, a few short boxes of $25ish and up keys and then boxes of everything below that. If I live long enough, then I'll plan to sell all but my most valuable/sentimental comics, but then leave those few (top 100ish?) behind to the kids. If I pass more quickly than I expect (accident, sudden sickness, etc.), then I'm teaching my family how to sell on ebay, so that they can sell the more valuable books there (which would be worth their time). Then, I've told them that they can just take the rest of the boxes to the local lcs and get what they can (unless one of them enjoys reselling and would be willing to take the time to sell them on ebay to maximize their profit).
That's cool that your kids love the comics you mentioned plus the X-Men cartoon. I've been working through the original cartoon with my kids and will eventually watch the new one once we're done with that one.
Thanks for watching!
Definitely want to avoid our comics being a burden on our kids.
The population is nosediving which means there will be less collectors globally. Less people existing means less people vying for a copy of say Hulk 181.
Exactly! Maybe one day we'll all have a copy of that Hulk 181! Thanks for watching and commenting!
What happens to comics in wildfires, flooding, and earthquakes? The total supply only decreases, it never increases, while increasing temperatures cause increase oxidation and deterioration. It is easy to look at a single variable but there are so many more to consider...
The US population is growing and will continue to driven by immigration. The question is, will the newcomers take to this hobby as well.
@@joshuawyatt4381 For sure! I am planning to discuss other variables in future installments of this series. One thing I'll mention, though, is that even if total supply of copies in existence decreases as you rightly point out, total supply on the actual market can still increase.
@@usbekl7you Definitely! I hope to talk about immigration in a future installment in this series.
Another factor to consider regarding disposable income is the future cost of sending one's kids to college. Tuition was exponentially higher when my daughter went compared to me so just imagine how much higher they will be. I paid off my mortgage in 2008 but had to wait until 2012 when my daughter graduated from college to get disposable income.
Great point! This would make a good topic to discuss in a future installment of this series. There are so many factors that impact the market. Thanks for watching and adding to the conversation!
Now graph total population over the same time.
100 years ago: 2B world population.
Current population: 8.1B world wide.
True...but the question is what will the population be going forward? Pretty much all economies that are currently strong enough to support the collectibles market are not reproducing at replacement level. Those economies will only be able to continue to grow through immigration. Will immigrants come into the collectibles market? TBD. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@wahoocomicsI would imagine that people from different cultures buy comic books. They have gone mainstream since hitting the big screen also, so there's world wide appeal. If you go to a comic con you would see that there is a lot diversity there. Look up the NYCC youtube videos of the walk throughs and look who is in the crowd.
@@DaveTHouse Great points! This is from a few years ago, so I'm curious whether or not demographics are shifting, but I found this interesting article from a NYCC in 2017: icv2.com/articles/news/view/38709/nycc-insider-sessions-powered-icv2-a-demographic-snapshot-comics-buyers
I am hoping to talk about different market forces, such as immigration, in future installments of this series.
Doesn't matter what the current amount is. If all 8 billion have no kids then...*pretending to be an American doing math* ... There's a lot less people dur dur dur!
I like to gauge the pop culture collectibles by how the Cons are doing across the country, people spend thousands there each, and seeing how busy each one is helps tell you the healthiness of these Hobby's. I may be wrong but this is my opinion.
I think the hobby itself will last, but the number of buyers is going to shrink. Same thing with classic cars, cards, vinyl records, pulps, homes, land, and basically anything related to the older generation.
Comics have become a smaller part of cons though.
@@DanSchawbel I know, but I mean collectibles and the IP's are all in people's minds, and that fact drives people to go
@@stephens4175difference between in their minds and spending hundreds or thousands on a comic book.
Yeah, cons can certainly be one of many metrics that we use to determine the healthiness of the hobby (including examining what percentage of a con is dedicated to comics as @DanSchabel mentions). Great thought, and thanks for sharing!
Besides having a kid, buying ASM 300 was your second mistake
Ok Doomer
I've bookmarked this video to come and check on it in 20 years. lol Sorry this shop is closed for kids. Three was enough for us. lol All three of of children have interest in a number of comic book characters, but none are collectors of comic books.
Hey, man, you're above replacement level, so you've done your part! lol. That's great that you're able to share your love of comic characters with your kids even if they aren't collecting the actual comic books. And, I look forward to seeing you comment on this video again in 20, haha.
@@wahoocomics lol
Great Video Man!! I have started labeling my books with title, issue number, Volume, year, the significance of the book and what grade I believe it to be. The goal with this is if something was to happen to me those books can easily be sorted. Also, which ever family member has a better idea of what may have value. My oldest has zero cares about comics. My middle seems to be growing into the nintendo or transformer comics. Something I am not well versed in but glad he is adventuring into something. My third isn't of grade school age yet. However, Wonder Woman is already her favorite character and she enjoys books in general. So, she's really my last hope LOL. Also, she actually sat and watched a X-Men movie with me the other evening. Blew my mind cause she doesn't sit still LOL
Thanks man! And, that's great that you've started to think through how to make it easier on your family to handle your books if something were to happen to you. It's always so funny/fascinating how kids growing up in the same house can have such a wide range of interests, haha. That's cool how your youngest enjoys Wonder Woman and X-Men! Maybe she'll fully take the torch from you one day, lol.
Great video. Except for the part where you showed fertility rate rising cause of "optimism" after world war 2, yeah you are right but not totally true, it was due to US owning the whole damn world market after the war and boosted their economy. Hence the follow up, in order to have a 2nd boomer generation you have to have a 2nd economic boom. Since Bretton Woods ended FED is progressively printing more money.
You got a nice point there. The problem is even if we magically find more people to sell (demand), system is already eating itself from inside. Central banks are not creating value the people are. They are trivializing the labor and suddenly people started noticing why the newer generations can't afford house or start a family or have a comic book collection even.
Few days ago Matteo Scalera and Eric Canete was talking about comic creators being paid poorly by the publishers. Everything is connected, masses are getting poorer each day while prices are going up.
Anyway, brilliant video.
Thank you! You add a lot of great points to the conversation, and I hope to touch on some of them in future installments of this series as I agree that everything is connected. You are so right in how things like the FED progressively printing more money is leading to the masses getting poorer each day while prices are going up. Thanks for watching and the well thought out comment!
While this is definitely possible, I stopped relying on this kind of thought process after I saw 90s comics heat up and continue to heat up after they were considered trash for many years. I never thought I’d see 90s book heat up because they were so mass produced but there’s even a market for X-Men #1. I think there will be a lot more serious issues if the population drops so low so comics could go extinct if that were the case. Anyone see the film Children of Men, that movie discusses what kind of future that could look like with low population/birth rates. Good video! Really enjoyed this discussion!
Great points about the 90s books. And, yep, there are going to be a lot more serious issues with declining birth rates. Several countries have started to provide financial incentives for people to have children, because they see this is a real concern for their future. I'll have to check out Children of Men. Glad you enjoyed the video and discussion, and I appreciate your thoughtful response!
@@wahoocomics just subscribed looking forward to listening to more of your comic book content!
@@UNCANNYGEORGE Thanks man! I appreciate the sub and look forward to hearing more of your thoughts!
@@wahoocomics I’d like to Oni your thoughts on slabbing books or not slabbing books.
If you already have a video discussing this, let me know and I’ll check it out!
@@UNCANNYGEORGE Here's one where I talk about reasons people might consider slabbing *some* of their books: ua-cam.com/video/-xXcxZxjH4w/v-deo.html If you get the chance to watch, I'd love to hear your thoughts!
I read my 2 1/2yr old X-Men 4bedtime stories ... Of course, I read her also other bedtime books... Either I love you to the moon and back, or the big red barn are her go2's that she always picks out... But only a matter of time b4 WonderWoman, or storm from X-Men, or any other cool female strong characters become her fav! Thanks 4sharing and making this! Pretty insightful and interesting way or looking at things! ✌️
Awesome! Reading to our children is one of the best things we can do for them. And, it is so special just to sit with them at night while we all wind down. Keep up the good dad work! And, thanks for watching and commenting...I'm glad you found the video interesting!
Luckily I don't care whether my comics are worth anything or not because I'll never sell them. TBH I'd be happy if the value of comics goes down because it means I'll be able to get the keys I'm missing for less money.
For sure! My guess is that the market will become an increasingly favorable one to buyers. Good luck getting the keys you are missing at a good price! Thanks for watching and commenting!
in 2024 most comics are not in the hands of boomers and the ones that are will likely never see market . these books are getting harder and harder to find and in 20 years will be worth a whole lot more !
My guess is that there are a lot of boomers who've had books sitting in their basements that will one day come to market (even if it's after they've passed). Time will tell! Thanks for watching and commenting!
This is an interesting angle, but it doesn't account for market manipulation; there's a monopoly on fair market values--controlled by the biggest auction houses out there. They won't allow one of their largest money-making schemes to collapse; they'll continue "purchasing" large key issues from one another to maintain sales averages on GPA and Go Collect.
Good point. There are certainly several forces exerting pressures on the comic market, and I hope to cover others (such as market manipulation) in future installments of this series. Thanks for watching and commenting!
When Hulk 181 came out, no candy store had it!
Now it's in the thousands?!
All the bronze age comics are in fort Knox
Gotta protect those valuable comics somehow!
Not sure the fertility rate will have as much impact as you anticipate given we have offset this by massive immigration, massive increases in natural disasters which decrease total supply, and the global demand/popularity that is tied to America's place as the dominant global power. Regardless this market has so many variables that make it very enjoyable to approximate but you have to expect the unexpected...and I did not see any mention of wildfires and flooding which are comic kryptonite!
Great points! There are certainly several forces exerting pressures on the comic market, and I hope to cover others (such as immigration and natural disasters) in future installments of this series. And, there will definitely be Black Swans (i.e. unexpected events) that take the market in ways that we would never anticipate! Just look at the effect Covid had on the market! Thanks for watching and commenting!
I dont care about politics but just from comic prices I wonder if all the immigrants coming in will increase demand for american comic collectables
Not if they're writing in English
That's a great question! I hope to talk about that in a future installment in this series.
I tried to go to a Comicon last weekend without my kids (because they mess up my ability to pick through $1 bins) and my 6yr old son would have none of it. Made me take him and was “mostly” patient for a couple of hours. So don’t know I’d that exactly answers your question but that’s the real world. 😂
Nice! *Mostly* patient is always a win in my book, haha. I'm sure you'll both have great memories looking back on times like that one day.
Well, while I'm guilty of originally believing the old falsehood my books would never be worth less than at least cover price / what I paid, I was never foolish enough to believe they would be worth more, or substantially more. I never bought books for any conceit or believe they'd become valuable and only ever bought because I wanted and liked them. Any potential profit was always just a bonus. Sure ive speculated on some things for profit, and I'm happy many of my books have become "valuable" but by and large im only in it for the enjoyment. so whatever happens happens.
I think that's the best attitude to have when collecting. Obviously, we all want our books to increase in value, but if we *expect* them to, then we could be setting ourselves up for big disappointment. We should try to enjoy the ride wherever it takes us (while, of course, still trying to make wise decisions).
Hit or miss if comics will maintain/increase/decrease in value. The only reason why comics are up/popular atm is because of what disney/marvel have been doing and because of covid.
I think the comic hobbie will continue to decrease from all era's. I see less kids at cons and playing video games or sports
Great point about how kids' interests are changing (and not only when it comes to comics). This will certainly have an impact on the future comic book market, and I hope to talk more about that in an upcoming installment of this series. Thanks for watching and commenting!
They are lots of options.
For sure! Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@wahoocomics your welcome. 😀👍
Look to see what happened to stamp collecting 1 generation ago
Good point...any collectible is just one generation away from crashing. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I had a large comic Collection and my kids showed only interest in going to the MCU movies. Now that those movies have fallen off a cliff...it's just old Dad looking at Comics. I'm also a School Teacher and sadly the Elementary kids dont even know what a Comic Book is. They know Graphic novels and Manga and get entertained in a Digital Universe.
Thanks for sharing your experience of what you are seeing as a teacher working with the next generation. That is very helpful to hear as we consider the future of the comic market. The rise of manga and digital media (along with a decline of interest in the MCU) are certainly going to have a sizeable impact on this market, and I hope to explore those topics in future installments of this series. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Hey I don't exist because of low birthrate!
Hey me too!
Wait how are we talking...
*Void*
🤣🤣🤣 Paradox City, haha
Comparing comics to Star Wars - Many feel that the early Star Wars films were the best and they've gone mostly downhill since. Yet the Star Wars collectibles market is still huge, almost 50 years after the first 1977 film. Now for over 20 years the US, and in fact the world, has been bombarded with Marvel films which permeate our culture, arguably even more than Star Wars ever did. Kids born well after the Marvel boom started now love the characters and movies. Even if the MCU never regains its former popularity, I think Marvel collectibles will be popular among all age groups for at least decades to come.
100% agree that Marvel collectibles will still be popular for decades because of the MCU. One of the questions, though, is are there going to be enough people around to keep the demand high enough for the current (and future) supply to maintain their value. I hope to look at other market forces in upcoming installments of this series. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Thankfully I got my ASM 300 before my kids needed braces.😂 I did my part. I have 5 kids. My sons take an interest in the Marvel movies and shows. One thinks it is cool to own their first appearance in comics. Not sure if he will pick up collecting like me. My sons have collected Pokemon cards but have moved onto other things ultimately. I do wonder when they come into having disposable income what would they spend it on. 2 are already grown and into the work force. One is about investing and the other is into having nice things. 🤷♂️
That's awesome that you have 5 kids! And, it's cool that you are able to share your interest in Marvel with your sons whether or not they end up collecting comics themselves. I also wonder what my kids will do when they have disposable income. My oldest is about to turn 17, and my guess is that he'll also be into investing like your one grown child.
It’s a good thing I don’t have a Johnny or sally or peppermint paddy lol
You should have plenty of disposable income for comics then! Haha
That I do. Sorry Linus but the great pumpkin has been good to me hah
im sharing Milk & Cheese, and Scud with the next generation
Lol...at least they won't go hungry!
Interesting take... but faulty logic... if the fertility rate is directly connected to the economy like you say, then since the fertility rate is at an all time low, then so is our economy... therefore, we will not have disposable income
I'm glad you found the video interesting and thanks for bringing up a counterpoint. My response to that would be that I feel like it take times for the economy to catch up to the fertility rate. In other words, 0-18 year olds are not currently contributing much of anything to the economy, so if they are missing, then it is not a big deal for the economy. But, 20 years from now, if there are 20-38 year olds missing from the workforce because of the declining fertility rate, then there will be an tangible effect on the economy. In the meantime, current 20-38 year olds do have a lot of disposable income, because they do not have 0-18 year olds that they have to provide for as they would have had in the past. Hope that makes sense. And, of course, the fertility rate is only one factor of the economy, but I hope to highlight more in future installments of this series. Thanks again for watching, and I appreciate the comment!
The only comics that will retain any value will be the classics. 60's 70's and before.modern stuff is all movie hype and that is already starting to fade.
You might be right. Time will tell! Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@wahoocomics cool didn't know they made reprints of those issues thanks
You forget the most obvious thing... the dentist of all them kids is buying ASM 300 or Hulk 181 all day long.
Good point! I'm guess I'm just transferring all my disposable income to him, haha
A very good topic. But man oh man, it sure divides the optimists from the pessimists. With 7 kids, you're obviously in the former camp! I have three kids in their twenties, and I think they're going to need all their income just to be able to afford a decent place to live (shelter is very expensive all across Canada), so I can't quite see the optimistic view on spending over the next 20 years. I do agree, however, that the market will flood as the Boomers disappear and that there won't be enough buyers. But given the reality of climate change and of increasing global tensions, comics might be the last thing on anyone's mind even in the short term. Who knows? By the way, I like the white board. And my kids have zero interest in comics, though my youngest and I loved reading the Carl Barks stuff together.
So your youngest is into comics
@@Blacksheepcomics No. Only when he was a kid. As far as I know, he's never bought a comic. He actually encouraged me to sell my childhood collection from the 70s during the boom.
Thanks, and I'm glad that you liked the white board! And, yes, I am mostly optimistic about the future lol...though, I will say that housing is the one thing that also concerns me in regards to my kids (housing costs have pretty much doubled in the US since Covid). And, you're right...who really knows what the future holds...of course, no one predicted Covid yet it's had a massive impact on our economy. What big events will there be like that 20 years from now? Thanks for watching and the thoughtful comment!
@@TT-fq7plhe was smart
I got a dog... Does that count?
Maybe he/she will continue building on your Jeff the Landshark collection, haha
@@wahoocomics we can hope
No. Comics won't be worth the paper they're printed on in twenty years. Our generation will be retiring, and generations past "X" live as minimalists with minimum expendable income. They also tend to favor life experiences over personal possessions, so even with expendable income, they most likely won't be buying comic books. If you plan on selling, sell now.
I tend to agree that this will be the case for the majority of comics. If we are right, it'll be interesting to see when the tipping point comes and they begin a consistent trajectory downwards.
@@wahoocomics I think we already are. Comic book movies make less and less money with each release, which in turn is derailing the hype train, and uptick of sales. The reason we're not seeing an influx of these books on markets is because the people who "invested" in those key books aren't yet willing to accept it was a bad investment. But, that's kind of what you get (and deserve) if you're in it for the quick gain, and not the love of the book itself.
@thetoyboxthetoybox8305 good points and you could be right.
Your children most likely won't connect with your comics like you do. Sell them
Yep, I think that's a great point.
These kids today can;t even read. That's why my comics get burned with me.
Screw them kids, haha. If enough collectors decide not to pass on their comics, this would certainly also have an impact on the market in the future. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@wahoocomics But eventually no one will want to buy them. That's the issue long term. All us READERS and gonna be gone.
@@dhyde9780 That's a very real possibility with the rise of digital entertainment, and I hope to talk about that in a future installment in this series.
Kids have not been reading comics for OVER 25 years. No one reads the crap from Marvel with the "artists" who think comics = cartoons.
Great point. I'm hoping to do another installment in this series on readership demographics.