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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- Owners of townhomes in Plattsmouth were shocked to learn that for about the last five years, they've been paying to mow lots belonging to the developer.
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They will never return that money until your lawyer MAKES them.
The “board” are committing fraud and racketeering here. They are not an HOA.
And those homeowners will pay the lawyer fees. It's probably in the documents.
Rich sucking you dry. Problly not owned by Americas. SUPRISE
Just another reason I will never belong to an HOA.
Need a Federal Law that Bans All HOAs in USA. They are Not Needed
LMAO
I dislike HOAs as much as the next person, but where in the constitution does the federal government get jurisdiction over these cretins? This is a state issue.
HOA's are a private agreement between homeowners. You're basically saying the government should have the authority to prevent people from entering into contracts with each other. That's like saying lets ban auctions, or private sales outside of stores. You don't HAVE to buy in an HOA. Plus, many of these HOA's exist because they all own assets jointly. Can imagine if you all owned a pool and every time you cleaned it you had to go knocking on each neighbor's house saying "that will be $5 please or we can't clean the pool"? And most of these problems pop up because the homeowner's themselves delegate (or should I say RELEGATE) power to a management company whose incentives are the squeeze the most that they can out of the homeowners. If they ran it themselves, with their own rights in mind, that wouldn't happen.
Not exactly. Federal law will just make thing worse. But HOAs should be required by STATE law to give full and complete financial report to all the home owners twice a year. It's too easy for this (and embezzlement) to occur.
@@dennisd9554 -- As I mentioned earlier, the authority to regulate an HOA does not rest with the feds, but the state does have jurisdiction, just as the state can regulate any other type of business.
In my opinion, HOAs take on a quasi-governmental role. As such, they should be required to obey and respect the constitution.
In many cases, btw, a developer buys up empty land. At some point during the process, they create the HOA, and they legally bind the properties to it. They appoint the "board" (their own employees or agents, of course), and only then do they start selling the lots. As the majority property owner, they continue to control the whole thing. Until the developer is out of the picture, the individual residents don't have enough power to change the setup.
This is what you get for living within an HOA.
No. In this case, it obviously a fraud.
@@TheSiriusEnigmaIn every case
It's becoming more difficult to buy a home not in an HOA. My advice is to become involved in your HOA to neuter the hoa
@TheSiriusEnigma Negative… in all cases it’s fraud!
The Hoa is supposed to be managed by the people living in the neighborhood this is an illegal Hoa.
The home owner needs to put a lien on that builder’s lot so they get paid before he can sell or build on those lot.
It’s not the builders fault. He said he had no knowledge of anyone mowing his lots. The HOA was mowing his property without his knowledge or permission and using the residents money to pay it. It’s the HOA and only the HOA who are at fault here.
@@sitcheyr9352doubtful most developers are willing to take all from anyone ! Business owners/ developers tend to be greedy and corrupt, when the people have to reach out to public news stations
I’m gonna send painters to paint your house then sue you to pay me for it. Sounds stupid as this claim.
@@sitcheyr9352They need to look closer at who's been mowing it and do they have any other ties with the builder. Dig deeper and then if nothing is there it's on the HOA or management company. There's the possibility that someone in the HOA is friends or even family that is getting paid. If that's the case they're the one that they need to be approaching. Not the builder and certainly not the company that provides the service. If proven and no authorization from the builder to perform the service, to me that's short of embezzlement funneling monies to them that hasn't been approved.
@akbychoice pretty sure that is actually legal. If you knowingly let someone do work on your property, then they can charge you for the service. But if you tell them you don't want the work done or call the police, they're out of luck.
Yes, yes I would like that across from my home. Far better than another house.
Glad I'm not the only one thinking this. :)
It's OK until the tall grass becomes home to various unwanted critters, like spiders and snakes. If I lived there, I would ask for criminal fraud charges.
That's why I live in rural America.
@@spqdallas -- I've lived in such places. The snakes where I live tell you they are there, and they are infrequent, and spiders are everywhere anyway, and they eat mosquitoes, so they don't really bother me.
Also the fire risk. Don’t get me wrong. I think a grassy field is way better than another home, but if I’m paying $125 every single month plus I’m getting fine if my grass isn’t cut the standard then I’d be pissed for sure.
I like the high grass. You probably have some critters and birds you wouldn’t have otherwise.
One time a field grew across from my house and the mice moved out of my basement into the field.
Seems like they like their natural habitat better than someone's house.
I agree. I have a small rural property. I keep about an acre surrounding my house mowed. About 4 acres is left as a natural buffer/barrier from my one neighbor and the county road.
I moved to the country to be in the country, not acres of manicured lawn.
If I was a resident I would start checking my mortgage agreement. If they haven't turned over the homeowner association to the homeowners I'm wondering if the homeowners are even homeowners?.
You want to see something worse. Go audit your local water authority. You haven't seen corruption until you begin inspecting their accounts.
Depends on where you live. While most people in my city get "city water" which is managed by a large water company, I live in a neighborhood with its own well, and that services about 30 homes. Our rates are cheaper than normal city water folk. By state law, the water is tested regularly by an independent lab, and it always passes. (Most recent test sample was taken at my house, so I know the sampling is legit -- I watched him do it.) Anyway, I haven't checked "their accounts" but that wouldn't matter to me. The rate is correct, so I don't care if they buy too many office supplies or pay for something they aren't obligated to pay for.
Oh, and I don't live in an HOA. Wouldn't want to.
So the home owners dropped the ball for years and never inquired about this or the lack of meetings
That what happens when you don’t go pass the HOA bylaws.
They probably can't find out who to talk to. Most likely the HOA board only exists on paper since no meetings were ever held. Seems like FL lawmakers have to launch a criminal investigation into the deveoper and management company.
DON'T MOVE INTO AN HOA. BAD MISTAKE!!
They are right. But, I love the way the long grass looks blowing in the wind!
They have been warned for years to stay away from HOA! Yet, they still buy houses in HOA! What part of don’t buy in HOA do they not understand!
Never ever lives with an HOA
Another case made against HOAs.
Read your covenants that YOU signed when you bought your property. I’m sure they say something like the developer is the sole HOA authority until X amount of lots are sold. Very common in developments. Know what you buy before you buy it. Own your mistakes.
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I imagine that the management company doesn't have to turn the HOA over to the residents until a certain percentage of the neighborhood is finished. They may be leaving it undeveloped on purpose.
Yep, this is common and here in idaho a law has been written to stop developers from doing this. Personally, hoa's need to go away completely.
Did it pass though?
You join an HOA you deserve the HOA
They knew what they were doing but thought they wouldn’t get caught.
Why would you be in an HOA anyway?? They're too bossy and tell you what to do with your own property!!!
When we were looking at homes several years ago, we were shown a lovely place at a good price. However, when we asked about an HOA and found out the area had one, I said "I don't want to buy here."
HOA's and particularly their boards draw narcissists like flies to a garbage pile. They are like a middle school clique where they want to rule everyone else. Never buy in an HOA community. BTW: The land that your house is on is not yours. In these communities each owner owns a non-divisible share of the community. Example: say that there are 100 homes in a community, each home owner owns 1/100th share of the community. It is about like owning shares of stock in a corporation.
We all understand that an HOA is just an unregulated private government with no accountability right?
You do understand that the majority of people in this country see themselves as royalty and believe that’s their right as Americans, right? 😂
@@HiDefHDMusic That meant nothing and you said nothing.
@@HiDefHDMusic both of those are true statements
You do understand that it's the development company, and not an HOA per se, that is the source of malfeasance here, right?
I have absolutely no sympathy for anyone that lives in an HOA. Nothing but tattle tells and snitches want to live there
100%
...and pin-brain wannabe control freaks.
It doesn’t matter if the homeowners are in fixed income or so much income. They got scammed . Home builders do this all the time.
Where I live, 99% of new houses are in HOA's. And the houses that aren't (both old and the 1% of new homes) are much more expensive as they tend to be on larger lots. My first house was a newer townhouse with an HOA. Never again. As soon as we could afford it, we bought a 50 year old house NOT in an HOA. It was much more expensive and is a lot more upkeep but totally worth it. Will never voluntarily live in an HOA again!
I would NEVER live in an HOA.
I never buy a house with any hoa.
Pretty sure HOA used to start out as just a bunch of home owners getting together, chipping in a fund and making their neighbourhood better taken care of. Then one day, someone decides that the association has gotten large enough they can make a full time job out of managing it and paying themselves with the fund. Then the developers saw this and decided they want in on the idea, selling new homes already set up in a HOA they created and run by a management company they made so after the home buyers bought their home from the developers they get to continue paying them or their friend's management company. They can set whatever fees and contract the work to more of their friends for special higher than normal rates, give themselves salaries and bonuses and make rules and come up with fines for them, and if you don't pay the fees they can take back your house.
Nope, HOAs started as a legal way to prevent black people from owning houses in white neighborhoods.
Wouldn't bother me if that was across the street from me.
It’s not the unmowed grass that’s the issue, it’s that they were getting robbed by the board.
@@JaelinBezel No, the one guy stated, how would you like that across from you. They want it mowed, just not with their money. Let it grow back natural.
I live in the country with overgrown fields all around me. I wouldn't care what it looks like, and if I Purchase a townhome, or house, it's mine. No one can tell me what color I have to paint it, how tall the grass has to be, what I can and cannot do in my driveway. If someone wants to dictate what happens at that address, then they can buy it. Otherwise, they can F**k Off.
If you look close, the HOA board is most likely owned by the developer.
I owned a lawn care business for almost 20 years before health issues forced me to retire. One of my customers was a development that had a HOA. All the years I did it,10-12 years, there never seemed to any issues with money being available for common ground maintenance of any source, mulch around the homes or tree work and the such. The same time I retired they went from self governed where you had to live there to be on the board, to management company. I had made several friends over the years living there and I told them then they were going to regret it. Suddenly the same dues that had always been efficient enough to cover the above needs were no longer there. The management company apparently was bleeding them dry and left nothing for expenditures they had always financed. I do know a couple of my friends actually moved and I lost contact with the others. I hope they were able to get away from the situation that they had found themselves in.
Thank God my parents live in an area with an optional association. It's optional and $50 a year. It goes to pay for landscaping and electricity. No one is paid. 30 years ago, the cost went from $25 to $50. In 30 years, only one house was threatened with a lien because it had fallen into disrepair to the tune of $500k.
Looks better not mowed.
That large of a gathering and those portable chairs are a violation of the HOA guidelines. 12000 dollar fine!
This is why i would never buy in a HOA.
What is south of the Metro? Are you in Bangladesh, Philippines, South Pole??? No where do you list where this newscast is located. Please put the city and state for your location in your opening screen, so people from foreign countries and even from the United States will know where you're at.
Floria law says when you mòve in a hoa community you can opt out of the hoa
Could you please quote the references. I'd like to know the statute.
Read what has been filed for deed restrictions BEFORE you move into a new neighborhood. Clearly these people didn’t.
I'm just guessing that the developer is the HOA. They will turn over the HOA to the homeowners (to the extent that this ever truly happens) after they sell 51% of the lots, with the vacant lots ensuring that they never surpass 49%
Check how much is in petty cash. If it’s more than 500.00 then they are stealing your money. You should get an itemized report of where money is going.
They are right, but personally, i like long grass.
Is there a way to remove an HOA altogether? Do we have to get our deed modified by a judgement?
Imagine putting your money together and purchasing a riding mower and ya'll take turns to mow the grass.
Sorry lady, it wasn't an error. It's a HOA.
welcome to HOA's!!
We had a large field behind our home and we were not in an hoa but our homes near that field had an issue with mice spiders small snakes and other insects that were coming from the field until they mowed it down and turned it into a sports field for the YMCA. The whole problem lasted for 5-7 years
Oh no! A sports field is worse than the vacant field. Noise, noise,... and more noise! My formerly peaceful Sunday afternoons -- and my privacy -- would be ruined!
So you never personally did anything, complained, and then say its because you DIDNT have an HOA. you sound lazy
As a canadian, we look on in horror that the land of the free submits to horrible HOAs that overstep and take the joy OUT of homeownership
These so called smart homeowners in HOA's need to read the fine print in the contract.
The contract states.............
HOAs just say no
All that money goes in to the scammer in the HOA and they sit back and laugh while we suffer
HOA devalues your house why would anyone want a mini dicatorship running around putting stupidly high fines over curtains being wrong or grass half an inch to high? It's so stupid to live in an HOA.
Thats what you get buying into a HOA
You do not have to join a HOA. You buy the house, it's yours.
Already went against a HOA and won.
That may be true is some states but others you can not buy the home without joining the HOA. Having said that I think they are BS and would never even consider living anywhere that was under an HOA, even cities are bad enough, I moved to an unincorporated part of a county in 2015 and will never live within a city limits again. There are no building codes or zoning laws where I live, the freedom is great, you should not have to ask for permission to do something on or with your own property!
@@phillhuddleston9445You NEVER have to join an HOA. That is a lie and bad
Is the HOA still under declarint control?
Bunch of whiners. Don't buy in an HOA and if you want something done, do it yourself.
Should be easy. Put a lien on the lots. Those lots are probably worth more than $12k a piece.
A lien would be THEFT!! The lot owner never had a contract with the HOA to cut his grass!! In fact, the HOA trespassed on the property to cut the grass.
Services were rendered to the developer. Out of the home owner funds.
If you're a developer. You know what is going on.
All the home developer has to do is pay back for services rendered. The point the is the home owners are NOT Responsible for mowing another one's property.
How are you, so sure, there was not a contract?? Can you prove it?
@@trueamerican2023 .. A contract would have been produced if there were one. "Services rendered" is NOT true if the "services" weren't requested! Hey, when you're on vacation, I'll show up and I'll paint your house... whether you ask for it or not. Then I'll give you a bill for... "Services rendered!!" BTW... Cutting the grass was TRESPASSING!!
@@jsivco3sivco785 so you're saying the the home owners are stuck with paying someone else's property maintenance???
@trueamerican2023 youre the one assuming there was a contract after they have been caught lying multiple times
Are there any links between the developer and the management company ? The amount and duration of the "error" has the odor of conflict of interests.
"you wouldn't want that across your street", actually I wouldn't mind a field of tall grass. It looked rather nice. These people haven't seen ugly vacant lots full trash and abandoned homeless camp debris.
OMG $125 a month? I pay $125 a year to my HOA. We have HOA elections every January and know all the board members.
gotta keep the minorities out
The geezers at the HOA prohibited driveway caucus were always complaining about the tall grass. Now they find out they paid for the mowing. I hope these elder Karens and Darens never get reimbursed for the mowing costs. It just grass people!
That is what you get for moving into an HOA
you keep your HOA and i will think about you every time i am out in my pool or when i go out back and pulla part off that old jeep or when i just dont feel like mowing my yard today, how about when i leave my trash can by the road all week.
The developer would have been the only entity that could have hired the management company. The developer is the board at this point. Not sure how they can claim they aren't responsible. It's not like there are elves hiding in the tall grass that formed an HOA board and hired the management company.
If that’s what they’re doin, you’re legally allowed to STOP paying dues. And there’s NOTHING they can do about it.
Never buy in an hoa
I love these people who buy a home in an HOA and don't bother to read the documentation that they're given prior to buying the home. They weren't charged any special assessment or any additional fees. This came out of their dues that they pay monthly. Homeowners associations can be great as long as you pay attention to what you're doing and go to the HOA monthly meetings so you know what's going on. This stuff is all spelled out. It's not a mystery. It's not rocket science. It doesn't take a college education. It's just a straightforward document that you need to sit down and read.
Does it spell out that their dues will pay for the developer's maintenance on unsold lots? If not, then who does pay. How do you find out when all the management stuff is secret?
@@TheRealScooterGuyWell being secret with the money is a felony since that they had to sign a contract
Simple.. make a federal law that lets any home owner opt out of an HOA.
In no way was it an accident. It was intentional, they knew exactly who they were paying and where they were getting the money. The developer should be paying dues of $125/month on each of their lots like everyone else. Never live under an HOA.
If there is no board, then why does the HOA.
LOL, this is why HOA is a huge mistake, first they want rules where none is needed because "it increases the house price" as if they were planning on selling it or something, then many of them tend to try to get people to join said association either by tricking or harassing (my aunt was almost tricked into it but luckily my cousin saw the papers they had given her to sign) then even if you aren't a member they sent threats if they see something they don't like not to mention their financial management tends to be very shady at times.
See what happens if any of these home owners let their grass get high like that. HOA would be all over that.
Well, somebody has to "be in charge", right...???
Our HOA was originally run by the neighborhood residents for 10 years until the developer who, right when he started building a new phase in the neighborhood, discovered that the HOA had $100,000 in savings. The developer promptly took over the HOA and the money had to be turned over to the management company he hired. Then the developer started saying that he was going to build a second neighborhood pool. I brought up at the next meeting that he’d better not be planning to use any HOA money to build that pool as it was not an HOA expense but a development expense. Guess what? No second pool. Our HOA was great when it was resident run. But now that it’s run by the developer it’s horrible.
Should have asked those questions before you moved into an HOA
Its an HOA, what did you think would happen.🙄
Local governments love HOAs. It relieves them of the responsibility and costs to maintain the commn areas, look for code violations, street maintenance (in gated HOAs) and other services provided by the city but still collect taxes that pays for these services.
What’s wrong with that beautiful patch of grass? Is it the wildlife?
let me let you in on a little secret, they ain't gonna put the money back because you are the board.. you would be putting the money back, so it would be a double dip.
you would have to hold the board members responsible personally. they are the ones that miss used funds. They're the ones that need to replace the funds not the HOA because that is you.
Sure, they have nicked the money but for crying out loud stop mowing the grass it's pointless! I can see it on the clip and it looks great. Here in the UK councils are leaving verges and other grassy areas uncut to give wildflowers and native plants chance to flower, to help out the bees and butterflies that are dieing out due to excess glyphosate use . We have "no mow may" a national plan to support our pollinators. Short grass is stressed grass and needs much more water.
Other than the lost money, an unmowed field isnt a big deal. Many people happily live near unmowed fields where I live. The farmer comes round once in a while to get some hay and local creatures have a habitat of sorts.
You’re not owed a dime! That’s exactly what your hoa is supposed to do! Don’t move into a hoa neighborhood they owe you no money and no explanation and you do not deserve any representation of any kind!
"You wouldn't want a big open field with natural plants infront of your house. You would want more houses that look exactly like yours"- typical suburbanite
Fun Fact: All residents in a HOA can have a meeting to dissolve the HOA and then file the appropriate paperwork with the state.
An HOA should be managed by the homeowners not a 3rd party
DON’T MOVE INTO AN HOA!!!!!!!!!
I though that the board had to be made up of homeowners in the HOA. HOMEOWNERS are the first two letters in the HOA.
This is a great example of why making an HOA outside of the residents who live there is what makes for the most egregious issues with how they operate. How is it a "homeowners association" if you can't name anyone affiliated with it as owning a home in your community?
Like trade unions this is something that feels like it works only when it's grassroots and localized.
The real issue here is who has been paying and who really should have been paying for a job that wasn’t being done in the first place. As for the scenery, the view of natural grass land isn’t a problem. Might even attract some song birds. It’s just natural land. Looks like home where I come from
Yikes. Need to watch that bank statement a little closer, folks. This wouldn't have slipped by me for a single month. I'd be right there at my credit union saying "this is fraud. block it."
They need to hire a lawyer and dig into the HOA Finances.
Stop paying ur dues and see how fast they react.
The HOA will put a lien on your house if you don't pay your dues. Genius
@@garryquiggins8183 sounds like grand theft to me. Get together with ur neighbors and vote them out and get a lawyer. Find out where the fines and dues r being spent.
HOA should be abolished, and deemed illegal.
They joined the hoa they asked for crap like this. Never move to a place run by hoa.
First mistake was buying into an HOA.
Second mistake was not meeting anyone on the board of the HOA.
Third mistake was not being able to go to HOA board meetings to understand what is going on in the HOA.
That developer probably is the board for the HOA. Using the members money to pay his bills.
They complain because it’s in their view. Would they still complain and send mowers to vacant lots along a highway?
You want the grass cut, YOU have to pay for it. The developers don’t care what THEIR lots look like, I’m sure they are not part of the HOA.
They (the developer) probably created the HOA in the first place, and likely aren't paying any dues, or just nominal dues. One of the reasons developers do this is to protect their property values as they finish the development -- they don't want people painting houses pink with blue polk-dots or letting weeds grow where there should be lawns. They really don't care about the undeveloped property as it doesn't bring down property values. Once created, these things can take on a life of their own, with busybodies creating one new rule after another, all in an attempt to "preserve property values" but really just giving them points of control over their neighbors.
My initial take is that the developer IS the HOA, and that these vacant lots prevent them from surpassing the agreed upon percentage of sold properties at which they will transfer control to the honeowners.
Typically, owners don't get control of HOA until 75% of lots are sold. Developer has 3 votes per vacant lot vs 1 vote per developed lot.
The Developer "IS" the management company board😂
While HOAs suck, whats wrong with letting those empty lots return to nature? Its a good thing for everyone
And if they don't have the money put into their accounts, the HOA fees should be canceled for a period