Replicant-Nier and Shadowlord-Nier were not different. The both did everything they could to save their sister. But only one brother could win in the end. But at least in death the original brother and Yonah are together again.
Except it was a temporary victory. Yonah is still doomed to die in every Nier ending regardless of what the protagonist does. Yoko Taro himself stated she still wasn’t gonna recover from the black scrawl
Ironically, Gestalt Nier got the happy ending since he ended up in the afterlife, like all Shades aka former humans. Can't say the same for all the Replicants, who were just shells without souls and just acted like copies of their actual "owners". Heck, if you've played Automata, it's confirmed that things ended badly. The shades/actual humans lucked out.
It's just the game twisting the knife and reminding you that you killed all of them for absolutely no good reason, or at the very least no reason that actually *matters* in the scheme of things.
@@bloonface wherever they are, the bosses are there too, even Hanzel, Gretel and P-33 because they showed that they are able to express complex emotions such as love and care for their friends and family, that cannot be replicated by a computer or a machine, but they are machines so in other words they developed a soul of their own, that is why they cannot truly die, even Devola and Popola who claimed to have no soul are there too so they were obviously wrong, maybe a lie told by Grimoire Noir since he was the true evil.
Okey i got the ending e now and with that i can say this is most likely the place where the world records are stored in the divine tree, that is why we also see the lizard shade Hook i believe despite being as shithead as it was, this is surely no heaven but at least it is a place where the shadows can make peace with themselves and come together, you can tell this is a happy ending for them too because they wanted to live forever along with their friends and most of them got just that so congratulations i guess? Also the lizard got fcked over again so it is a plus though it might be still there but he will have to live as a fcking loser xd and i got my character back! now i'll go for nier autamata once i get all the achievements.
What’s so brilliant about this ending is how A makes you believe you’re a genuine hero and you honestly feel satisfied with bringing down Shadowlord. But, as you go through the second playthrough, you begin to realize how wrong your actions truly were and that Shadowlord is more noble and full of heart than replicant Nier. I honestly find Nier Replicant my favorite over Automata, as the theme of war and morality hits hard and doesn’t paint one side as a clear villain. Viewing the second ending is the equivalent of Alec Guinness’s final line in The Bridge on the River Kwai: “What have I done?”
@@rayminishi689 why villian? He have self consious just like real humans. And not only him but all the replicants. So whats wrong with all this? He just wanted to get "his" sister back. He was just a shell at begening , like the rest of them. But eventualy they all became "humans". It is a classic story about machines becomong humans. I only beat a and b endings, but i doubt that something is gonna change my mind. I mean yes, the REAL humanity has lost, but you can consider this as their evolution.
@@Vadim_Slastihin Nier didn't care that he killed humans and he didn't even save his sister or the Replicants in the end. They can't be born again without a Gestalt and with the original Gestalt dead all remaining Shadows will relapse and all Replicants will get the black scrawl.
The only game where I didn't mind seeing the credits five times. Every ending was beautiful. Though this one has to be my favorite. I'm always amazed by games that can make me shed tears.
I really love Brother Nier for his exploration into the morality of a typical JRPG protagonist and acts as a compelling deconstruction of the underlying faults of these sorts of characters when it comes to a situation that isn't so black and white, and how such a perspectives can ultimate lead to more harm than good. Ultimately Nier "technically" gets his younger sister back, but it's the cost of many innocent people's eventually painful death along with her eventual painful death, even before now he did shrug off Emil's killing of everyone at the Aerie which was directly caused by Nier's entire journey to save his sister. He generally has a darker side with a lot of contempt that the game likes to show with his resentment for the shades, and how he feeds into that resentment. In particular, the Jump Heap arc acts as a great nod to his faults, in relation to seeing the tragedy Gideon faces as an excuse to push forwards in his goal, he indirectly yet knowingly pushes Gideon into a more toxic mentally for what Nier wants. This clashed with his general attitude just does a phenomenal job of displaying how one perspective isn't absolute and in the end, how his underlying sense of duty and his simplification of things and that drive to do what he needs to do to get his sister at any cost is a toxic mentality. God I love him so much
The whole ending I kept telling myself "Hold it, hold it, hold it", but as soon you hear Yonah's hey and Ashes of dreams starts playing that was it, I couldn't hold it anymore, everything I tried to keep from the whole route was finally shed in this scene.
I usually don"t comment like this, but this ending really broke me. I knew Gestalt before the remaster was even announced, so I knew the story with the father. I didn't remember ending B when going through 1.22 with brother Nier, so I kinda had the surprise effect. I have a brother who's 7 years older than me, I'm the little sister, and he has always been taking care of me. We grew up with absent parents and bad financial situation, but he was always there to help me, not matter what I needed help with. He is the person I care about the most, so when Yonah said "Thanks for always being there for me" I burst into tears and kept crying until Ashes of Dreams ended, I couldn't stop myself. The whole game is very touching, which is why it is my favorite game of all time. And I know many people will find ending C or D sadder or more memorable or even ending E, but ending B is it for me.
Of all that happend in this Game, NieR, both Versions of him didn't deserve this at all, he had in this more than 1300 years more pain to carry that I think of he would handle, even if Gestalt Yonah and Gestalt NieR are back together, they don't deserve this tragedy at all. They are too innocent and pure for whatever happened at this fateful Days 2053. And I don't even want to start to talk about the rest of the cast.... all of them suffered in there own way too much
Brilliant! This fanatical overcommitment to an otherwise very noble goal totally expresses a saying we have "L'enfer est pavé de bonnes intentions" (Hell is paved of good wills). And perfectly tosses harshly in the face the ugly inconvenient truths that were a bit hinted at in route A, like how the protagonist already expresses some radical statements, and the "sour victories" against the pacifist shades of Emil's mansion library, and the village hill that makes you feel like "dafuk am i doing? this is not a warrior's job, there i feel more like being an executioner"
While I really enjoyed the lore implications of the later endings like E, ending B definitely hit the hardest. To find out that the Shadowlord and Nier have the same goals to save their sister. The music starting when the camera pans to Yonah was also perfect.
The absolute irony in Replicant Nier defeating Gestalt Nier is that the latter actually ended up in the afterlife with a happy ending. The same probably happened to all Shades aka humans with souls. Can't say the same for the Replicants. Heck, if you've played Automata, you already know that Replicant Nier doomed his civilization. Man.
@@lilflax0396 Sorry, couldn't see him - he was the same color as Louise in the back left, so I thought you were referring to Louise instead. But yeah, fuck Hook. Thank goodness Kaine gets to ORA ORA ORA him in Ending E.
Hook is legit the only shade that deserved to die, it was conscious and decided to kill and cause havoc, shows how human the gestalts are that as well as benevolent sentient shades you also get psychopathic murderous ones too
Love how, the first time, the Shadowlord's theme sounds like average epic final boss music. Then you take a deep dive into the lore, and you realize it's supposed to be the theme of the saviour of humanity. A heroic, messianic theme.
Crazy to think the entire game's plot is literally just a misunderstanding. I've seen so many people claim we play as the villain but I still feel like "our" Nier is justified same with Gestalt Nier. Just sucks that can never coexist together. I orginally didn't think this game was story was better than Automata's (1st time playing Replicant) but with context & understanding yeah it's better imo. Automata's route A is a better experience to end on if you don't do other playthroughs. What I'm trying to say is that Replicant's story is straight foward and simple until you do other playthroughs. You basically need to do other playthroughs to understand wtf is going on in the last part of the game lol. Automata can end after each route because they have closure while Replcant feels incomplete without other routes.
People saying that we are the Villain do not understand the meaning of the game. Neither of us are the bad guy. Both sides are fighting for their survival, and in hte case of Bnier and Gnier we both are doing the things we do for YONAH! That is the whole point of the game, to show that both sides have points.
Necroposting but I believe replicant has the better ending A, since nier automata’s ending A definitely feels like there’s more compared to Replicants which feels full
I love both stories from Replicant and Automata but I personally like Automata's routes so far. I'm barely on Ending C of replicant, maybe it will change my mind
1:54 when u gotta face going back to school on a Monday morning at 6AM. It’s something u dread and you’re tired of, but u know it’s also something u have to overcome 😭
i just couldn't hold it when i finished Route B...i thought Route A is sad as it is...but Route B Comes....and it Broke me more that i had a breakdown and cried every boss shades i killed...All i have is Pain and Sadness after i finish Route B...i need a breaktime to continue to route C..cause this game is breaking me
Reality of the game is you play as the villian as the shadowlord is the original you trying to save humanity. Basically also the selfishness of our villian character caused Nier Automata to happen. When a shade returns to their original body they get immunity to the disease (helps them more) killing everyone. So because this replicant of Nier killed the orginial Nier, no antibodies were made so everyone including this Nier and his sister died off from the disease that eventally got to them so yeah. Replicant Nier is an idiot.
Plus Shadow Lord doesn't care about humanity other than Yonah, Replicants are just shells, pigs to him, If he cares about Humanity, he would have stopped shades attacking places who might have important people's replicant like doctors, scientists, engineers who would help the reborn humanity to progress faster but no he doesn't.
@@invalid4042 yeah nobody can truly claim to be right, the shades good as they were, at least most of them, were used by Grimoire Noir to bring a world of darkness, where no beauty could ever exists, he used the pain and anger of everyone to bring more destruction into the world, it didn't matter if they were good guys in the great scheme. The protagonist was fighting for what he believed in and helped and saved people along the way, he can't be called a villain, he was just unknowing of what he was doing like everyone else.
@@Swordyplayrebel the protagonist didn't understand the full impact of his actions but the clues were everywhere with the shades and he deliberately chose to ignore them. Just like how he mentioned he never thought to consider kaine and emils situation when they were kicked out, he's basically doing the same to the shades that the towns people fear and direct hostility towards, even if they weren't attacking anyone but minding their own business. Neither niers really hold a moral high ground and there are just so many Grey areas to everyone's actions. I myself tbh like gestalt nier more because while both had the same goal of protecting their sister, gestalt nier has been to hell and back, fighting for yonah for hundreds of years just to be able to be with her, only for it to be futile. Like even tho replicant niers sister was still sick, they weren't in a bad environment and situation and they actually had people surrounding them supporting them, unlike the original who was isolated. I feel like after all he's been through, he deserved the right to be happy but never got it.
the reason why kaine starts punching nier (you) is because nier is responsible for all of the deaths of the main shades and emil... which all have noble wishes. Kaine understood what the shades were saying before they died. Nier (you) was being selfish, and helping the wrong people and at the same time being responsible for the death of the good ones. Strongest scene in the whole game. yoko taro is brilliant
There is more to it too, Kaine is possessed by Tyrann. She wants to be able to grieve for emil and the other shades but if she allows a moment of weakness Tyrann will take over once again and thats not gonna help anyone, so she is forced to keep fighting. She knows shes just as selfish as the MC because she KNOWS whats going on with the shades but chooses to still fight because thats the only choice she has to survive
@@windy0563 this, plus she is probably out-of-tune with the feelings of grief and sadness due to living majority of her life hated and isolated, so it could also be her trying to express grief in the only way she knows: violence
Sorry sunshine...but I'd rather go full Caim/Angelus on Kainé and Nier. She understood their words, yet you spared none, not even Kalil and Beepy (although I don't judge her fof the Heap, I didn't like the Gestalts from there nor the ones under Gretel). And the Shadowlord was Nier himself...yet the replicant treated him like any other mindless Shade. The hypocrisy... Let the world... buuuuuurn ! Let the aliens, the machines and whatever androids that are created in this timeline have the our legacy. Our protagonists made humanity worthless by being its champions, like the ones in "Drakengard".
3 playthroughs are needed. After your 3rd and getting ending C, save on a seperate savefile and reload pre final dungeons and go for ending D. Route C has also some differences which are instantly noticeable, so skip through it until you see something you dont remember.
The ending will not be on the savefile, but unless you are a supercompletionist who wants perfect files it doesnt serve a purpose. All trophies can be gotten without it, Ending E too.
No he isn't, the emil from automata is the clone that provides supplies and got it's head placed in a machine while looking for supplies. Emil after ending e gets a new body.
Somebody please explain to me why i should feel sorry for shadow lord? We only see him in prolouge. After that we played as replicant, not him . He has his own replicant sister to take care. I mean they not so diffrent from real humans. So whats the point? I dont care about "real humanity" if this replicants so alive and emotional. To hell with them. You can consider this as evolution. Maybe iam just a sociopath , i dont know.
The thing about Replicants and Gestalts is that they are two sides of the same coin. They have the same weight to a human, as the body and the soul respectively. Their failure to come together with one another fundamentally is what caused this tragedy to unfold. Like others mentioned, Replicants cannot reproduce on their own. They need Gestalts to continue the fate of humanity, and the death of the Shadowlord (The original Gestalt) irreversibly dooms the possibility as all shades will go haywire without his control. The Replicants will soon die out from the Black scrawl, which was caused by the systematic error of the project Gestalt at the first place. You are right that Replicants have their own sentience and are the same with the Gestalts in existence at one place. But that doesn't mean you are superior because you have a human body. (Or if you want a more close to real life example, think of your nationality, your skin colour, religion and the like) The irony of this game is that both you and the enemies you are fighting are the same, will some very noble wishes, and both attempted to accomplished those ends in very selfish ways. (Remember the genocide at Aerie? There are Replicants there too, you know) The theme of the story is that every person, you and me, can become a monster as long as we think that we are doing the right thing, and will turn a blind eye to all the awful things we may have done in achieving that. Just like in real life, really. We can say, think, and do all kinds of terrible things to other human beings just because we believe we are in the right. People feel bad about the Shadowlord not only because how he is literally you, the protagonist, with the same kind of wish that is by no means inferior to yours, but also because of the irony in thinking you are just while destroying the only hope to save Yonah. Without her gestalt, Yonah will eventually die of the Black Scrawl, in a slow and painful way within a few years. You, by trying to save the one person you love, have destroyed the last ounce of hope to actually do something to help. This game was beautiful in its story, because it was simply put, human, all too human.
"Thanks for always being there for me." Is where I start to feel like crying.
For me it’s the simple “Hey.” And the music kicking in after
Just simply seeing Shadowlord approach Yonah in the grocery store was enough for me
@@RJMakdaddy same when the music came in I broke down.
Me too
Me too
Replicant-Nier and Shadowlord-Nier were not different. The both did everything they could to save their sister. But only one brother could win in the end. But at least in death the original brother and Yonah are together again.
Except it was a temporary victory. Yonah is still doomed to die in every Nier ending regardless of what the protagonist does. Yoko Taro himself stated she still wasn’t gonna recover from the black scrawl
@@brianwishon7322 Just when I thought there was a somewhat happy ending, it gets even more sad 😞
@@axelk.8275 unfortunately you can never trust Yoko Taro for happy endings😔
Ironically, Gestalt Nier got the happy ending since he ended up in the afterlife, like all Shades aka former humans. Can't say the same for all the Replicants, who were just shells without souls and just acted like copies of their actual "owners". Heck, if you've played Automata, it's confirmed that things ended badly. The shades/actual humans lucked out.
Tragic!! But beautiful though…..
Can't really put my finger on why, but the part where all the other shades you slayed show up next to the Shadowlord is especially haunting.
It's just the game twisting the knife and reminding you that you killed all of them for absolutely no good reason, or at the very least no reason that actually *matters* in the scheme of things.
@@bloonface wherever they are, the bosses are there too, even Hanzel, Gretel and P-33 because they showed that they are able to express complex emotions such as love and care for their friends and family, that cannot be replicated by a computer or a machine, but they are machines so in other words they developed a soul of their own, that is why they cannot truly die, even Devola and Popola who claimed to have no soul are there too so they were obviously wrong, maybe a lie told by Grimoire Noir since he was the true evil.
Okey i got the ending e now and with that i can say this is most likely the place where the world records are stored in the divine tree, that is why we also see the lizard shade Hook i believe despite being as shithead as it was, this is surely no heaven but at least it is a place where the shadows can make peace with themselves and come together, you can tell this is a happy ending for them too because they wanted to live forever along with their friends and most of them got just that so congratulations i guess? Also the lizard got fcked over again so it is a plus though it might be still there but he will have to live as a fcking loser xd and i got my character back! now i'll go for nier autamata once i get all the achievements.
@@Swordyplayrebel ironic since the P-33 was the only 1 who actually survives
reminds me of the end of Pluto arc from Astroboy
What’s so brilliant about this ending is how A makes you believe you’re a genuine hero and you honestly feel satisfied with bringing down Shadowlord. But, as you go through the second playthrough, you begin to realize how wrong your actions truly were and that Shadowlord is more noble and full of heart than replicant Nier. I honestly find Nier Replicant my favorite over Automata, as the theme of war and morality hits hard and doesn’t paint one side as a clear villain. Viewing the second ending is the equivalent of Alec Guinness’s final line in The Bridge on the River Kwai: “What have I done?”
"You don't have to be insane to kill somebody, you just need to think you are right"- Yoko Taro
Why feel pity for the gestalts who are literally mortal enemies of replicants?
Shadowlord might honestly be my favourite videogame villain of all time
Bruh, we literally played the villian in all this.
@@rayminishi689 Yeah you're right, antagonist would have been a better word to use
@@rayminishi689 why villian? He have self consious just like real humans. And not only him but all the replicants. So whats wrong with all this? He just wanted to get "his" sister back. He was just a shell at begening , like the rest of them. But eventualy they all became "humans". It is a classic story about machines becomong humans. I only beat a and b endings, but i doubt that something is gonna change my mind. I mean yes, the REAL humanity has lost, but you can consider this as their evolution.
he's not a villain, the protag is the villain of the story
@@Vadim_Slastihin Nier didn't care that he killed humans and he didn't even save his sister or the Replicants in the end. They can't be born again without a Gestalt and with the original Gestalt dead all remaining Shadows will relapse and all Replicants will get the black scrawl.
All I could think about when I saw this ending was just how unfair it was for everyone. Especially the Shadowlord.
The only game where I didn't mind seeing the credits five times. Every ending was beautiful. Though this one has to be my favorite. I'm always amazed by games that can make me shed tears.
I really love Brother Nier for his exploration into the morality of a typical JRPG protagonist and acts as a compelling deconstruction of the underlying faults of these sorts of characters when it comes to a situation that isn't so black and white, and how such a perspectives can ultimate lead to more harm than good. Ultimately Nier "technically" gets his younger sister back, but it's the cost of many innocent people's eventually painful death along with her eventual painful death, even before now he did shrug off Emil's killing of everyone at the Aerie which was directly caused by Nier's entire journey to save his sister.
He generally has a darker side with a lot of contempt that the game likes to show with his resentment for the shades, and how he feeds into that resentment. In particular, the Jump Heap arc acts as a great nod to his faults, in relation to seeing the tragedy Gideon faces as an excuse to push forwards in his goal, he indirectly yet knowingly pushes Gideon into a more toxic mentally for what Nier wants. This clashed with his general attitude just does a phenomenal job of displaying how one perspective isn't absolute and in the end, how his underlying sense of duty and his simplification of things and that drive to do what he needs to do to get his sister at any cost is a toxic mentality.
God I love him so much
The whole ending I kept telling myself "Hold it, hold it, hold it", but as soon you hear Yonah's hey and Ashes of dreams starts playing that was it, I couldn't hold it anymore, everything I tried to keep from the whole route was finally shed in this scene.
There's no room for compassion in war, and Yonah was too compassionate to be a pawn in war.
Just got this and cried my eyes out
I usually don"t comment like this, but this ending really broke me. I knew Gestalt before the remaster was even announced, so I knew the story with the father. I didn't remember ending B when going through 1.22 with brother Nier, so I kinda had the surprise effect. I have a brother who's 7 years older than me, I'm the little sister, and he has always been taking care of me. We grew up with absent parents and bad financial situation, but he was always there to help me, not matter what I needed help with. He is the person I care about the most, so when Yonah said "Thanks for always being there for me" I burst into tears and kept crying until Ashes of Dreams ended, I couldn't stop myself. The whole game is very touching, which is why it is my favorite game of all time. And I know many people will find ending C or D sadder or more memorable or even ending E, but ending B is it for me.
Of all that happend in this Game, NieR, both Versions of him didn't deserve this at all, he had in this more than 1300 years more pain to carry that I think of he would handle, even if Gestalt Yonah and Gestalt NieR are back together, they don't deserve this tragedy at all. They are too innocent and pure for whatever happened at this fateful Days 2053. And I don't even want to start to talk about the rest of the cast.... all of them suffered in there own way too much
Brilliant! This fanatical overcommitment to an otherwise very noble goal totally expresses a saying we have "L'enfer est pavé de bonnes intentions" (Hell is paved of good wills).
And perfectly tosses harshly in the face the ugly inconvenient truths that were a bit hinted at in route A, like how the protagonist already expresses some radical statements, and the "sour victories" against the pacifist shades of Emil's mansion library, and the village hill that makes you feel like "dafuk am i doing? this is not a warrior's job, there i feel more like being an executioner"
While I really enjoyed the lore implications of the later endings like E, ending B definitely hit the hardest. To find out that the Shadowlord and Nier have the same goals to save their sister.
The music starting when the camera pans to Yonah was also perfect.
The absolute irony in Replicant Nier defeating Gestalt Nier is that the latter actually ended up in the afterlife with a happy ending. The same probably happened to all Shades aka humans with souls. Can't say the same for the Replicants. Heck, if you've played Automata, you already know that Replicant Nier doomed his civilization. Man.
18:04 I felt bad for all of those bosses. Except the shade on the far left. Fuck that shade.
@Lilflax03 How come?
@@TheIntratec9 The shade on the far left, Hook was his name, terrorized Kainé and took pleasure in her suffering. He also killed Kainé's grandma.
@@lilflax0396 Sorry, couldn't see him - he was the same color as Louise in the back left, so I thought you were referring to Louise instead.
But yeah, fuck Hook. Thank goodness Kaine gets to ORA ORA ORA him in Ending E.
@@TheIntratec9 Now that I look back at it, he would look a lot like Louise if I hadn't seen the eyes
Hook is legit the only shade that deserved to die, it was conscious and decided to kill and cause havoc, shows how human the gestalts are that as well as benevolent sentient shades you also get psychopathic murderous ones too
EMIL!!!! MY BOY LIVES!!!
Of course
Love how, the first time, the Shadowlord's theme sounds like average epic final boss music.
Then you take a deep dive into the lore, and you realize it's supposed to be the theme of the saviour of humanity. A heroic, messianic theme.
Crazy to think the entire game's plot is literally just a misunderstanding. I've seen so many people claim we play as the villain but I still feel like "our" Nier is justified same with Gestalt Nier. Just sucks that can never coexist together.
I orginally didn't think this game was story was better than Automata's (1st time playing Replicant) but with context & understanding yeah it's better imo. Automata's route A is a better experience to end on if you don't do other playthroughs. What I'm trying to say is that Replicant's story is straight foward and simple until you do other playthroughs. You basically need to do other playthroughs to understand wtf is going on in the last part of the game lol. Automata can end after each route because they have closure while Replcant feels incomplete without other routes.
People saying that we are the Villain do not understand the meaning of the game. Neither of us are the bad guy. Both sides are fighting for their survival, and in hte case of Bnier and Gnier we both are doing the things we do for YONAH! That is the whole point of the game, to show that both sides have points.
Necroposting but I believe replicant has the better ending A, since nier automata’s ending A definitely feels like there’s more compared to Replicants which feels full
I love both stories from Replicant and Automata but I personally like Automata's routes so far. I'm barely on Ending C of replicant, maybe it will change my mind
1:54 when u gotta face going back to school on a Monday morning at 6AM. It’s something u dread and you’re tired of, but u know it’s also something u have to overcome 😭
Man i know this probably is just the desert in facade, but it kinda looks more like it did in automata
Look up the original ending B they changed the desert background for this game to match Automatas.
Makes sense since automata desert is the same desert.
This is like the one game that would actually make me shed a tear
Just finished B, this game is just amazing !!!!
i just couldn't hold it when i finished Route B...i thought Route A is sad as it is...but Route B Comes....and it Broke me more that i had a breakdown and cried every boss shades i killed...All i have is Pain and Sadness after i finish Route B...i need a breaktime to continue to route C..cause this game is breaking me
Reality of the game is you play as the villian as the shadowlord is the original you trying to save humanity. Basically also the selfishness of our villian character caused Nier Automata to happen. When a shade returns to their original body they get immunity to the disease (helps them more) killing everyone. So because this replicant of Nier killed the orginial Nier, no antibodies were made so everyone including this Nier and his sister died off from the disease that eventally got to them so yeah. Replicant Nier is an idiot.
Plus Shadow Lord doesn't care about humanity other than Yonah, Replicants are just shells, pigs to him, If he cares about Humanity, he would have stopped shades attacking places who might have important people's replicant like doctors, scientists, engineers who would help the reborn humanity to progress faster but no he doesn't.
@@invalid4042 yeah nobody can truly claim to be right, the shades good as they were, at least most of them, were used by Grimoire Noir to bring a world of darkness, where no beauty could ever exists, he used the pain and anger of everyone to bring more destruction into the world, it didn't matter if they were good guys in the great scheme. The protagonist was fighting for what he believed in and helped and saved people along the way, he can't be called a villain, he was just unknowing of what he was doing like everyone else.
@@Swordyplayrebel the protagonist didn't understand the full impact of his actions but the clues were everywhere with the shades and he deliberately chose to ignore them. Just like how he mentioned he never thought to consider kaine and emils situation when they were kicked out, he's basically doing the same to the shades that the towns people fear and direct hostility towards, even if they weren't attacking anyone but minding their own business. Neither niers really hold a moral high ground and there are just so many Grey areas to everyone's actions. I myself tbh like gestalt nier more because while both had the same goal of protecting their sister, gestalt nier has been to hell and back, fighting for yonah for hundreds of years just to be able to be with her, only for it to be futile. Like even tho replicant niers sister was still sick, they weren't in a bad environment and situation and they actually had people surrounding them supporting them, unlike the original who was isolated. I feel like after all he's been through, he deserved the right to be happy but never got it.
:( still get tear up everytime i hear that melody 18:18
the reason why kaine starts punching nier (you) is because nier is responsible for all of the deaths of the main shades and emil... which all have noble wishes. Kaine understood what the shades were saying before they died. Nier (you) was being selfish, and helping the wrong people and at the same time being responsible for the death of the good ones. Strongest scene in the whole game. yoko taro is brilliant
There is more to it too, Kaine is possessed by Tyrann. She wants to be able to grieve for emil and the other shades but if she allows a moment of weakness Tyrann will take over once again and thats not gonna help anyone, so she is forced to keep fighting. She knows shes just as selfish as the MC because she KNOWS whats going on with the shades but chooses to still fight because thats the only choice she has to survive
I completely disagree. Why exactly do you think Nier is selfish and that those he kill are the good ones?
@@windy0563 this, plus she is probably out-of-tune with the feelings of grief and sadness due to living majority of her life hated and isolated, so it could also be her trying to express grief in the only way she knows: violence
This ending ruined me so bad. I legit felt like my heart is shred to pieces
i feel bad for the shadowlord
The feeling trip intensifies
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@@shogun2212 yes it seems
Ending B shatters my cold heart every time :'(
I'm literally bawling
Just finished this ending a few mins ago. Now gonna start on ending c
18:12 is where the tears started to fall
Damnit, my game audio bugged during 17:06 and it still kept playing “Snow In Summer” all the way towards the end of Emil cutscene 😥
Thanks for this.
When tyran asks Kaine if she’s “doing this for HIM” is he talking about nier?
What do you think? 😉
15:37 this is so badass and sad at the same time
that almost made me cry
Don’t know why hook is there with the rest of the shades. He was a *genuine* asshole and actually liked causing pain and misery unlike the others
Sorry sunshine...but I'd rather go full Caim/Angelus on Kainé and Nier.
She understood their words, yet you spared none, not even Kalil and Beepy (although I don't judge her fof the Heap, I didn't like the Gestalts from there nor the ones under Gretel).
And the Shadowlord was Nier himself...yet the replicant treated him like any other mindless Shade. The hypocrisy...
Let the world... buuuuuurn ! Let the aliens, the machines and whatever androids that are created in this timeline have the our legacy. Our protagonists made humanity worthless by being its champions, like the ones in "Drakengard".
Been so long since I played the og nier I forgot that the nier you play as at the start and yohna are from project gestalt
Спасибо за концовку.
I got the 33 weapons before ending B, so I have to play the game for third time? Im confused cuz i started a like the 2 playtrhoughout
3 playthroughs are needed. After your 3rd and getting ending C, save on a seperate savefile and reload pre final dungeons and go for ending D.
Route C has also some differences which are instantly noticeable, so skip through it until you see something you dont remember.
@@JakTheRipperX do i have to do that? wouldn’t it cause the ending to not be on the save file
The ending will not be on the savefile, but unless you are a supercompletionist who wants perfect files it doesnt serve a purpose. All trophies can be gotten without it, Ending E too.
@@JakTheRipperX i have just finished ending E and neither ending d or e are on my save file
@@gamingforlife2232 yes correct. You can only have ABC (usually without C unless you did a 4th playthrough that has no extra content)
This game is too sad.
So Emil in automatic might have been real one not copy
He is the real emil
No he isn't, the emil from automata is the clone that provides supplies and got it's head placed in a machine while looking for supplies. Emil after ending e gets a new body.
Also Yoko Taro, claims the original Emil is still alive somewhere, while the one we see dies later on.
Somebody please explain to me why i should feel sorry for shadow lord? We only see him in prolouge. After that we played as replicant, not him . He has his own replicant sister to take care. I mean they not so diffrent from real humans. So whats the point? I dont care about "real humanity" if this replicants so alive and emotional. To hell with them. You can consider this as evolution. Maybe iam just a sociopath , i dont know.
They can't reproduce edgelord
Replicunt can reproduce. And humanity went extinc.
The thing about Replicants and Gestalts is that they are two sides of the same coin. They have the same weight to a human, as the body and the soul respectively. Their failure to come together with one another fundamentally is what caused this tragedy to unfold.
Like others mentioned, Replicants cannot reproduce on their own. They need Gestalts to continue the fate of humanity, and the death of the Shadowlord (The original Gestalt) irreversibly dooms the possibility as all shades will go haywire without his control. The Replicants will soon die out from the Black scrawl, which was caused by the systematic error of the project Gestalt at the first place.
You are right that Replicants have their own sentience and are the same with the Gestalts in existence at one place. But that doesn't mean you are superior because you have a human body. (Or if you want a more close to real life example, think of your nationality, your skin colour, religion and the like) The irony of this game is that both you and the enemies you are fighting are the same, will some very noble wishes, and both attempted to accomplished those ends in very selfish ways. (Remember the genocide at Aerie? There are Replicants there too, you know)
The theme of the story is that every person, you and me, can become a monster as long as we think that we are doing the right thing, and will turn a blind eye to all the awful things we may have done in achieving that. Just like in real life, really. We can say, think, and do all kinds of terrible things to other human beings just because we believe we are in the right.
People feel bad about the Shadowlord not only because how he is literally you, the protagonist, with the same kind of wish that is by no means inferior to yours, but also because of the irony in thinking you are just while destroying the only hope to save Yonah. Without her gestalt, Yonah will eventually die of the Black Scrawl, in a slow and painful way within a few years. You, by trying to save the one person you love, have destroyed the last ounce of hope to actually do something to help.
This game was beautiful in its story, because it was simply put, human, all too human.
@@xdxdlol6934 Thx for the beautiful analysis
@@xdxdlol6934 thanks for explanation!
Who the f thought that making the beginning of the ending about reading a text wall? Seriously thinking about skipping this.
I truly despise you for poisoning something so beautiful with your stupid SUBSCRIBE!!! popups, as if you own anything for clicking "record" on OBS