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This man love his sport cause he puttin his life on the line spittin all these facts
No he's not
You must not understand what corrupt people will do to sustain that constant stream of money. Ive met some grimey people in my life. I wouldnt wish this on anyonr but just to send a messagr i wouldn't put it past people
@@niksterfer6sir I'm just saying he's saying the same shit people have said for decades nothing new so why would anyone kill him? I'm with you on exposing corruption takes guts and can be dangerous but in this situation he said common knowledge and didn't name names so it was harmless
Unfortunately you are right his life is on the line.
ozz if this was what everyone else is saying then it would change. He’s definitely putting his livelihood aka life on the line saying this.
Teddy descibed the GGG vs Canelo fight perfectly when he said it was a robbery without leaving any fingerprints...PERFECT!!!
Byron Harris 100% correct
Except almost every top boxer said Canelo won. I'll take their word.
Frank Pizano maybe the first fight?
Frank Pizano That's not a fact
@@Guanjyn first fight for sure, 2nd was close
the biggest racket today in boxing is the 'decision robbery rematch.' they rob the guy who obviously won, he gets to save face by saying he was robbed, and they charge fans double for a fight that shouldve been settled. After Paquiao Bradley 1 I was done.
Literally cateral and taylor hahaha and Catterall won the rematch right after the initial robbery
Amazing! I saw Teddy Atlas on ESPN online and he said outright that it was corrupt because Alvarez was the money fighter, not Golovkin. I respect him now more than any dude in the boxing, I will listen to anything he says!
I was a Cannelo fan befor he was busted for peds. So I was rooting for him in the first fight with GGG. TripG was robbed in that first fight. and second should have been draw maybe . Or win for tripG
Qss qss
Teddy is the man. Always straight forward, no bullshit. I used to enjoy watching Friday Night Fights all of the time just based on his commentary, even if the fights weren't stellar.
Guy sounds like a gangster from Scorsese's movie
Yeah
he is! he put a gun i mike tysons face and pulled the trigger
@@PrintableCD1997 He pointed the away when he shot though.
Tyson jokingly said that Atlas was from Staten Island and everyone from Staten Island thinks theyre a gangster.
Atlas was a thug though. He was born to a rich Jewish family but ended up going to prison because he was fucking crazy. If he had been born 50 years earlier, he’d been running with Meyer Lansky and the Jewish Mob.
xept he didnt pull any trigger
Tyson fury sent me here.
Its like telling us Santa is real and when you ask him are you serious?
Hes like you are stupid.
One of the biggest heists ever in boxing prime example why is the UFC only answer.
Apparently one judge said Wilder won that fight 7rds to 5
@@freshfruitz7460 that judge doesnt know shit. It was 10rds to 2. Even if the 2rds were 10/8 fury won that
G 💯 I too blame trump. There needs to be a wall
Ironic how Fury decided to take out of the Judge's hands this time. Smart move, he completely humiliated, dominated, and exposed Wilder for the untalented boxer he is.
Teddy is such an OG . Last of a dying breed
Always tells it how it is. Gotta love em
Chris Santana English grammar has been dying for years.
That's why he's off the shows. I would love it if they brought him back. Tessatore and kellerman. Hell, the whole espn crew, it's just bad.
@@constantine7382 I concur
@@unclejune4843 i dont like tardiness
In the 6 score cards in the two GGG Canello fights, he only won in 1 card. One of the cards had Canello winning 10 rounds. Need I say more?
No so shut that fuck up
G-runner, has no case. Even G said the fighy was close and that he needed to win the 12th. Are you saying G dominated the fight?
jo mana score it when u watch it without listening or thinking of the final score, people all have it different. I personally had it 7-5 for ggg but I could see a draw
8 round to 4 Canelo Alvarez win
David Oh yeah you need to say how canelo whooped his azz in the second fight and it should have been 10/4
The Pacquiao v Bradley (1st fight) decision was the one that was so blatantly corrupt, that from that moment I couldn't take boxing in Vegas seriously. Most corruption in Boxing happens there.
Looks at the scorecard from the first GGG vs Canelo fight. One judge had it 118-110 Canelo? Golden Boy pays the judges
De La Hoya for sure paid off the judges in that Canelo vs Lara fight. Me and a few people watching it were all Canelo fans back then, but we all knew he lost that fight.
Yeah Pac-Man clearly beat Bradley twice just like Triple G clearly beat Canelo twice... and speaking of CANELO he is the one in boxing getting the MOST CORRUPTION behind him.....example
LARA beat him yet he got a gift decision by pay judges...
Austin Trout beat him or gave him a draw yet he got the decision from corrupt paid judges....
even in the Mayweather fight where Mayweather dominated all 12 rounds, Clenelo still got a draw on one card from Paid corrupt judges.
Clenelo and his promoter Oscar Dela Hoya of Golden Boy promotions are bad for boxing
@@angusbeefballfro how? All Lara did was run from Canelo, once chicken running Lara actually stood in the middle of the ring and fought he was fucking destroyed by hurd. CANELO beat Lara easy even if he had to chase his ass all night long
3rd fight JMM vs Pac was also a robbery, Teddy Atlas said JMM was robbed.
Dude just explained how Mayweather was 49-0.
🤣
clown
And how Adelaide Byrd scored all those fights. Things that make you go hmmmm?
@@meetch4 which fight did be lose?
@@seen3804 I’m not talking about Mayweather. I’m talking about Adelaide Byrd and her whack ass scorecards over the years.
This legendary boxing commentator and reporter who’s honesty is brilliant hats off to teddy atlas this video clip needs to go viral, great guest 👍👌
J C he’s first n foremost one of the top boxing coaches before a commentator or reporter.
Fury is robbed of his heavyweight title.
FUCK OUTTA HERE HE CHEATED IN BOTH FIGHTS. HOPEFULLY A YEAR FROM NOW YOU'VE GROWN A BRAIN AND SOME EYES
@@jakespaceman2135 Wilder is too stupid to ever beat fury
Jake spaceman can u explain how he cheated
Tristan de Niet go check out YOUNG PHARAOH video about how he cheated he covers it all (no homo)
@@chuyelmascabron5481 young pharaoh is a fool
Teddy has BIG balls
Part of the reason people ignore corruption in boxing...is because boxing has a long history of being corrupt...it has never been clean.
ChicagoTRS I don’t watch boxing I’ve chosen to ignore boxing not the corruption I watch MMA only
Its allowed too many inner city blacks
Jackie Moon lol mma worse than boxing? GTFOH
@@ColtonGrundy I'd say most mma fights are hard to dispute, submissions, with small gloves more knockouts ect but aint NO doubt the scoring is 100% bias. 9/10 the cash cow wins a decision. Alexander vs jon jones for example.
Tbh I even see it in the amateurs when I compete never happened to me but have seen it happen to and for people and it’s not even a money thing it’s just preferences in order to create a select outcome within a tournament, even at the ABA’s!
This has been happening for years and years
Who dominate most sports? Just saying
@@derpyy4577 what
it still unbelievable for me that Canelo's side got to organize the second fight again and GGG's side just went with it. it was the same with Andre Ward and Sergey Kovalev. especially with Kovalev who cried about referees being American, fight happening in America with American fighter and that's what cost him. and what his team does next? completely the same thing. okay, Kovalev lost with no chance, but GGG's situation is just ridiculous.
If you want to know who REALLY won that fight, watch right after the fight ended. canelo KNEW he lost. A fighter always knows. Then look at de la hoya. Laughing, joking, high fiving. He knew the fix was in. No worries!
Had to watch this again after the Fury/Wilder decision just to regain sanity
I need therapy after that😯
@@cheyennejohnson7107 The therapy came in the form of an even worse ass beating. Praise the Gypsy King
Yeah fury cheated in both fights anyway
brodey slagle LOOOOOOOOL shut the fuck up, all the “cheating” allegations have been debunked already go do some research dude.
brodey slagle Just man up and accept defeat and move on. Jesus, I’m not even a Fury fan, but you Wilder fangirls are the most delusional morons I’ve seen in boxing. It’s embarrassing honestly.
Teddy Atlas drops truth bombs. Young cats listen carefully and “between the lines”.......thank me later.
Truth tellers are dying, literally and figuratively.....the algorithm will bury this so like if you know/love/agree/disagree or saw ☝🏻 truth. It matters.
Nobody tells the truth like President Trump and they are out to destroy him
He is letting people know what is going on about corruption fine but he puts up an act like he isn't part of that corruption. If you in boxing as a trainer, boxer, promoter, manager, judge, you are that so thanks for clearing that up. This person seems to be speaking out against it yet he is part of it. Now that's character or hypocrisy. Anyway thanks for reminding everyone how shit is ran in the pros I feel sorry for all the athletes getting the shaft by all these mf trainers, managers, promoters.
CarlosBernardo10 people change, and it DOES take character to one day make the proverbial u turn and draw a line in the sand. I used to work for a company for years that as I rose through ranks I saw how gross people were atop of the $4 Billion ladder. It caused me to literally re-think my life, walk away from a lot of money and start a new career.
So while I think your sentiment and heart is in the right place, I don't think we should judge people in a guilt by association 30 years ago. All his fighters love him, that's not an accident. Also I agree entirely that prize-fighters, especially in MMA and lower tiers of boxing (at least here in the states) are grossly underpaid.
My point was that he's telling the truth now, not a judge of past character.
You're all going to the guillotine in 2025. As a Mason I advise you to get ready.
1.) Trump boasted the largest inauguration crowd ever. Period
2.) Trump will release his tax returns as soon as the supposed “routine audit” into his finances is complete.
3.) Trump isn’t for cutting taxes for the rich
4.) We are going to repeal and replace Obamacare “quickly,” easily, on “day one.”LOL.
5.) eliminate ISIS
6.) Build a wall.. Mexico will pay....
lots of truth there...
I grew up listening to Teddy commentate on fight's and always just thought, this man knows and loves this sport
Teddy Atlas is a real one.
Someone needs to make another boxing organization and start from the bottom up. Like how Dana white built the ufc. Don't let fighters fight for any other organizations belts.
Hohepa Whaitiri well I would but we need all four belts but I control it and if they don’t like it they can fuck off
The wbc belts all are held by ali and tyson and so on... Those belts have history. We just need to redesign the system
“Money Talks”
Alexander Xiong Indeed, but "all money is Gold anything else is currency" ;)
Right or wrong, Teddy is straight up, and always speaks with conviction. He's absolutely spot on about all of this. I remember first seeing his ranting on this when Canelo fought Lara lol
I watched the live stream and was a very good watch indeed, also very emotional at times on Teddy's behalf. Boy did he love he's father.
Thats why fights take place in Vegas. Its all about money and Corruption
The thing I always hated about fighting sports like boxing and MMA is the competitors have a choice who they fight way to often. Whatever organization you're contacted or fighting for should be who determines who fights who. Look at Sugar Ray Leonard wouldn't fight Marvin Hagler until he was older and slower same with Mayweather and Pacquiao should have fought at least 7 or 8 years earlier. Roger Federer doesn't say he won't play Raphael Nadal, the Yankees don't say they won't play the Mets in a world series if that's the two teams in the world series, the Knicks won't say they won't play the Celtics. If you're a mechanic for Ford you don't tell your boss you won't work on a mustangs or a Chevy mechanic says they won't work on a Camaro. So fighters shouldn't have the choice who they fight the organization should tell the fighters who they fight.
Ufc is bad in their own ways aswell the fighters are getting pimped. Certain fighters can fail tests and still fight its all a money grab.
Rousey was definitely banged by Dana and pimped out to the elites.
Rob Faget 😦🤯 dude no. Wasn’t Ronda like married when she first fought in the UFC? Also man Dana white has been married for years so real talk ya can’t just go around banging your female employees(fighters)... but shit yo things can be covered up with a bit of money but Dana doesn’t look like the type of guy whom can pull that shit and get away with it.
One of the best interviews I’ve seen. SI Boys the best!
Respect teddy atlas. didnt cross any lines, that havent already been crossed. good to hear the 2 passionate gurus of fighting commentary. every JR guest that ive watched has" opened the bag" on some form of corruption. and they havent perished suspiciously>>>>>
I've been around boxing for 35 years and this is how it works, BOXING IS FIXED! Promoters with big money push their top crowd gathering fighters into the fights they want and know will draw crowds and money, they pick and choose their opponents, they pick and choose their judges, they bribe commissioners and this goes on for as long as the boxer brings in the 💰..when someone like Tyson for example starts to get stoned,drunk,asking for more money and basically starts causing problems for his managers and promoters they let their fighter slide,let him indulge in sex,drugs & booze all the while convincing him they got this next fight in their pocket..the fighter steps into the ring out if shape,out of focus,and fucked up from excessive living and loses the fight and all his belts..meanwhile your same promoters and handlers bet against you and made millions.
Boxing 🥊 is an incredible sport and self defense system to learn and that will never change
That's why you gotta get the K.O
Honest men and women are often extremely brave human beings. Such attributes make them World ChampionS in their own right. Mr Atlas is one such human being. He cannot and will not succumb to the whims and wants of mere people. God bless and keep this legend safe and well always.
Prichard Colon suffered more than any fighter i have ever seen!
Whether you love or hate Teddy, you have to respect him for his straightforwardness and honesty.
Im a fan of what Fury did, but those of you that said he was robbed are not being honest, he got Floored 2x, he definitely was owning Wilder, making him look stupid, but the Gypsy king got cocky and got caught, and if he didn't fall a 2nd time, he would be the champ...but he got caught, a draw was a decent call. GGG vs Canelo 1 was a terrible result....2nd fight GGG didn't learn much from the first fight, he shoulda known if he don't at least knock Canelo down he's gonna lose....but boxing robbery has gone on forever, Holmes Spinx 1, Sugar Ray vs Hagler.....I could go on...and Teddy was in the game at those times.
Joe "I know what you're saying " Rogan
i felt disgusted watching Delfine persoon vs Katie Taylor absolutely disgusted.
Stop being sexist , females are allowed to box to ,
There is no way in hell that it’s a coincidence Teddy from Bob’s Burgers sounds exactly like Teddy Atlas.
This was the guy I heard on the Dan Le Batard show! Nice
Teddy Atlas is my favourite boxing personality.
The LAST Boxing match i ever watched was several years ago, a middle weight championship belt- the loser won - got knocked down repeatedly and took a beating the ENTIRE FIGHT !
Teddy was there and confronted the Judges + Commission on Live T.V. and said " This is Everything That Is Wrong With Boxing " etc...
He has BALL'S! Like him alot- but DONE with boxing.
Any sport could be the WWE when money is involved
That's why former fighters should judge. Not freaking so called "judges" that know how to "judge" a fight.
Would be great if the community where Teddy grew up would all put together and have some sort of statue/memorial of Teddy's Dad built. It would mean soooooo much to Teddy.
Boxing is the reason I got into watching MMA. I still love boxing but MMA is the superior sport by far.
Wow.
He should prolly uber for the next 20 yrs.
Mayweather also paid the judges in the Castillo fight.
Both times huh? GTFOHWTBS!
@Ptah Hotep stfu if you watched the fight them score cards are straight ass and second fight he was running hard to win a fight that almost a track meet when you training to man handle em, ggg and canelo was brawl but it was a draw I think that was fair
Now go to the video where he talks about Tyson and see how these comments flip.
Teddy explained in detail how the fix is made!
I'd rather watch WWE than boxing. At least in WWE there's occasionally an unknown outcome and any "corruption" is just part of the storyline
I could listen to Teddy all day.
Teddy is the Man. Unbiased Fans think just like him. I’m a Diehard Boxing fan and they keep Fukn the Sport up for us Fans paying the Money to watch the Greed and Politics shoved right in our Face.
Golden Boy runs the Fukn Show. The reason GGG didn’t want the Rematch. He knew he couldn’t win a Decision.
Sick and Tired of this Fukn BS. A fighter loses 1 fight and their done. MMA fighters have 3-5 loses and still get to fight for a Championship Fight and Headline !
*Quake*
Volcano
I understand why people can't get into boxing. It's so nakedly corrupt. Seeing the viewership numbers dwindle breaks my heart because I love boxing. Always have. Grew up watching old fights on ESPN Classic. Friday Night Fights was always a favorite of mine when I was in high school since it would start my weekend.
But I understand. Teddy Atlas spiting truth like this makes me feel a bit better, but it also hurts to know that even though these are open secrets, precisely nothing will change. And you'd think the alphabet organizations would change because their lunch is getting eaten by MMA. But they won't.
It happens so often too. I've been a boxing fan for like 30 years and you just have to laugh sometimes at the scorecards. I mean seriously delusion scores and then the avg dopes watching it will actually agree lol. I've actually laughed at least a dozen times after fights when the scores were read.
@Josh Compton I don't think it's the corruption ruining it - I think it's the lack of accesability for the average person who may actually enjoy it. The average sports watching guy who may enjoy boxing casually like a bunch of other sports isn't going to go out his way to pay the absurd prices - especially when he can probably see a lower quality replay on youtube later.
Honestly I like MMA, but boxing tends to be more entertaining on a more consistent level. It still should be bigger but it's never seen by the average person because it's made too inaccesable.
Teddy is amazing in his insights wow..
Just a reminder a judge scored the first canelo vs ggg fight 110-118. Boxing is so fucking corrupt specially in Vegas.
Boxing is corrupt until your favorite fighter uses the corruption.
You need to take away the need for promoters.
Do the UFC model in boxing.
Teddy Atlas - u are the best. I love your passion, honesty & integrity. Get rid of Adalaide Byrd- she is the most offensive, corrupt judge. She does so much injustice to such a great sport.
Boxing has been around for well over 150 years. When you have any institution that has been around that long not just in boxing but in any avenue of life you have expect they run there business a certain way. What we do know about boxing is it is well established, it’s not going anywhere and it works.
I just will love to see something done about judges in boxing. Maybe having a computer deciding who won the fight, then we probably will have a fair decision in each fight. Is not fair after all the sacrifice and training a boxer have to go through to just sweep' m away like that. Dishonesty is hurting boxing a lot.
Anybody else notice how when teddy is talking or telling a story he literally looks down at the table or whatever the whole time. I watched another one of the segments and he was telling joe about mike Tyson and for like 15 minutes while he was telling the stories he never looked up at joe or even just look up period. He just continually looked down at the table for the entire 15 or 20 minutes. Like he is afraid to make eye contact or something. A lot of times people with low self esteem won’t make eye contact when they talk but teddy doesn’t strike me as a guy with low self esteem. Lol so I don’t really know why he does that. You really can’t help but to notice it tho when he talks for 15 minutes straight and never looks from staring at the table not once.
Stand in front of Teddy ready to fight, then see if he breaks eye contact. I've seen him take shots from guys that normally drop with one punch. Two or three punches later when he's still standing in front of them they show their true faces, bullies are cowards. I can't explain why he looks down on camera, but you'll never see that face to face.
I can explain it, he’s streaming his thoughts and it’s a lot easier when you are telling a story to not get on all the semantics of eye to eye conversation (which there’s a ton). Try it, it helps to focus and tell a better story.
So the promoters pay the judges? That is beyond fucked up.
Jake Lamotta had to throw a fight to even get a shot at the title back in the day.
Id rather see a boxer outskilled and out pointed, than to see a knockout. There's no sense in ruining a man's career just to hush judges up.
Getting KO'd is sometimes comes as a result of being outskilled
they are getting dirty over a dinner and a glass of wine???this is heavy,real heavy
it’s entirely possible that boxers will start to box only in “friendly” countries, where they perceive judges as more impartial and the refs jumping in to stop dirty boxing. That could really hurt the media carriers hard
Boxing is an international sport. Even if there was a national boxing commission, it would have no authority over say South America, Asia, etc. I agree the people who make the profit from boxing should not calling the shots.
Tell me one system in this world that isn’t corrupt?
Chess
Golf
Madliberation
if theyre not judge by judges, they're not corrupt - swimming, running, archery. american football
+Fernery Tele 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Soooo many more ways a fight can end in mma compared to boxing and that's why it's more entertaining facts
I just can't see how it's going to change. And that frustrates the hell outta me because I really enjoy boxing.
I just wish he would out Oscar De La Hoya for his influence on the GGG-Canelo fights. If you think Oscar didn't have a hand in that decision, you're crazy.
Look at him right after the fight. canelo looked defeated. His corner looked defeated. Then look at a laughing and joking de la hoya. Fixed from the outset. All canelo had to do was stay standing.
@@constantine7382 and once Canelo didn't need Oscar anymore to sway the judging for his fights, he peaced out.
@@meetch4 Absolutely.
I stopped paying to watch boxing when Leonard obviously lost to Hagler but won the decision. Later I saw a heavyweight fight where the favorite who was taking a fight as a warm up received a bad cut above his left eye and could not see the underdog never threw another right to the head for the rest of the fight. The announcers were even saying "He would never see an overhand right coming he could end this if he would let one go" Boxing is like pro-wrestling I am glad I never bet on either.
Fury
Pacquiao
Golovkin
Groves
The list goes on...
I have no confidence that the judges will choose the correct winner ever... I get so tired of seeing the winner getting cheated... Makes me completely uninvested.
“PHWROWBLEM, PHWROWBLEM, PHWROWBLEM, PHWROWBLEM, “
“It’s okay to have a dictator sometimes” so dam true
I have a thought for Alexis Vastine. A boxer who got robbed twice at the olympic games. The last time was particularly insane. RIP Alexis.
I remember that, Fernando Vargas was robbed for the gold medal also.
The influence of Cus. No wonder he was so upset over their breakup.
Why the government hasn't done anything is amazing.
I love boxing. Hate the corruption if it wasn't want for Teddy Atlas truth saying I would have given up on the sport.
2 cents: Any chance of getting good oversight is zero for 2 reasons:
Geography & Frequency. Even with hometown boy, the fan base is still worldwide. Regardless, how often one guy fights is Very limited, and likely not to be local.
I thought I was congested... until I heard Teddy Atlas
The Tyson fury robbery brought me all the way here😂😂😂
yep
Thats one of the many reasons mma is overtaking boxing.
But mma will get just as corrupt in time
Best way to say it never thought of it like this
Could listen to these two alldayv
Teddy Atlas could make a cameo as an old school gangster
Fantastic interview
I love boxing but as Teddy said "problem, problem, problem, big problem!!!
Listen to the O.G... Teddy speaks the truth...
Mayweather anyone? Avoided fighting all the best at their best... but makes huge money because his record stayed Pretty perfect.
Just like all the other sports, they need to have a round by round live scoreboard for everyone to see.
So much for the credibility of the MLB.
Teddy Atlas for Boxing Commissioner
This is how we got a draw with ggg and cinnamon
MMA judges are slowely turning to boxing judges.. And The commissions...
Some of the boxing judges also judge MMA🙈💀
getting some good podcasts on lately Joe