I disagree with you on the over abundance of content being the problem. I think that it’s just the lack of quality. If they destroy what we invested in why would thy think that they are going to keep are interest.
It's both. Just look at Call of Duty, the same shit every year, it ain't special anymore. Star wasn't wasn't meant to be bled dry. Even if at an acceptable quality, we'd get burn out like with the cape shit.
I agree, but it's hard to produce both quality and quantity. The argument that Disney has enough money to do both doesnt quite cut it either, it's not just budgets but people. You can't stretch Dave Filoni too far and there arent many directors/producers that have the same calibre in regards to Star Wars. It's obvious that Disney are trying to replicate their success with Marvel by have an abundance fo media to consume all in the same universe but I genuinely think they need to slow dowm, at least in the film/tv mediums.
Yeah, they botched the mainline movies. No amount of shows, spin-offs or side content is going to undo that damage. The flagship series was a huge disappointment
@@MALICEM12 It’s the same problem with all three franchises though; No one got “burnt out on cape shit,” Marvel just made too many terrible products in a row, same with COD and Star Wars. Have you ever heard anyone ever say “Man, I’m so burnt out on this franchise that just keeps making good movies. I hate all this amazingly well written content I’m getting!!!!” No. Because that doesn’t happen. People don’t get bored of good things, they get tired of terrible things, but the medium or franchise gets blamed when it’s the writing of said franchise that’s the actual culprit.
I didn't outright hate BOBF the same way some did, but it was really such a missed opportunity. It is three shows in one. It is a story of Boba's survival and post ROTJ pre Mandalorian journey. It is (trying to be) a crime epic. And it is the Mandalorian season 2.5. I especially would've liked to see one whole season of Boba vs. Cad Bane. It could be intercut with flashbacks of their training together and the last time they confronted each other, leading up to a Western style finale. It could have been done.
Totally agree. Not using Cad Bane early was a huge missed opportunity. Boba spent so much time in the bacta tank and we didn't see a single flashback to his duel with Cad Bane. I suppose they did it to keep the late season reveal a surprise but seeing him earlier would have given the season more stakes. Wiping out the sand people and replacing them with thinly characterized Mods was a huge mistake too.
@@njebei I think something in the middle could have been done. If Cad Bane hadn't died at the end of season 1 (They might bring him back which would be annoying) or better, if he'd just been a last-minute reveal at the end of the season, (Which wouldn't change very much at all if you think about it) the next season could've had shorter flashbacks strategically placed throughout the season of their training and their last fight. (Keep it the same as the discarded CW episode except Boba never gets a shot off and Cad Bane walks away thinking Boba is dead) Boba running his hand over that dent in his helmet intercut with that would be really cool. We have a ton of encounters, and then finally, we get something along the lines of the season 1 finale. (But better written and directed) Killing him after his VERY MINOR ROLE in 2 episodes was a mistake and honestly disrespectful to the original character.
I just didn’t like what they did in Book of Boba. I wish the last scene of the show would have been him taking Jabba’s throne. And the rest of the show showing his whole journey, childhood with his father, his time making a name for himself as a teenage bounty Hunter, how he became an amoral ruthless killer that worked for the Empire, and then his fall and how he found himself again in the desert. Then when he finally takes Jabba’s throne, it would be up to the audience to interpret if he would stick to his new found morality or resort back to his old self.
Oh yeah, the Boba/Cad Bane relationship really needed to be fleshed out way more that it was if they were going to use him as the show’s final villain. Too much left up to implication and suggested offscreen history.
Cad Bane was a late addition....He was never supposed to be in it! Boba Fett was at its best in the flashbacks with the Tuskens - The Mandalorian episodes were stolen from Mando Season 3 and added in because the people in charge didn't like the original ending and wanted it changed! No idea if the original ending was going to be good or not BUT Rodriguez, with those ridiculous mopeds, had destroyed any faith the fanbase had in this show!
Idk if the Star wars burnout was necessary for me to feel the way I did about Andor, but it singlehandedly raised the bar for star wars and also saved the reputation of the franchise. I hope that word of mouth carries it high
Really hoping they don’t read it the wrong way and double down on more shows like kenobi since it made more money. I mean these are the same people saying solo flopped cause Han wasn’t cgi Harrison ford
I love the OG starwars, even the prequels aside episode 1, but the only thing i like about the New starwars is rogue one... it kinda died for me, at least the recent stuff.
I was looking forward to Andor, but I do not understand at all why people love it so much. I think the “every character is important” idea is just bogus. For the first time, I cared so little about nearly every character except Mothma, Andor, and boot strap bill turner. The prison sequence was great but nothing else exited me whatsoever. It was just so generic and bland imo
I’m a huge star wars fan, but I still haven’t watched Andor. But everyone has told me it’s dull and kind of boring, but I’m pretty sure my love of Star Wars could help me get pass that. Because it helped me watch boba fett till the end 😅
Personally, I want quality over quantity. I want to have a show that I eventually might rewatch. Not either never watch it again or set it down halfway through. Andor is one of those shows I will eventually rewatch I think.
I love how the “spin-off of the guy from Rogue One” ended up being one of the best pieces of Star Wars media, period. The whole Disney era has been a mixed bag, but Andor… Andor was something truly special.
For real. I was one of those underwhelmed by Rogue One then, and one of my main grips was the amount of characters which were "fine on concept" but severly underutilized. So imagine my surprise when a TV Show about a randon character i didn't care about much ends up being one of the highlights in all of Star Wars stories!
@@nicolasriveros943 yeah. I fully agree. I mean, except for being underwhelmed with Rogue One. I absolutely loved Rogue One, and it’s definitely the best of the movies Disney put out at least.
Too bad I wont even pirate because Disney behavior has killed my interest. They feel need to embroil themselves in every controversy possible vs fans. Currently i just watch clone wars/prequels/og while playing old games and EA ones since i got them from the free game periods. Way I see it is even if Andor is good it will just lead to a Boba Fett/Obi-Wan moment. Every win turns into a self own with Disney Star Wars.
@@D4C_Gaming i know it's kinda of a "hot take" to say that about Rogué One lol. Don't get me Wrong , i think it's a fine movie and i like to watch it now and then, but i don't find it the masterpiece as many say it Is.
Personally, I don’t think the amount of content is the problem, but more the quality of said content. With Kenobi and Boba Fett being shows that were mostly mediocre with a few, small, standout moments and the Bad Batch was a good show with a relatively underwhelming finale and a little too much filler, I was kind of beginning to care much less. Andor showed me that Star Wars can have shows that are written well and actually really good additions to Star Wars, and knowing that Mando 3, Bad Batch 2, and Ahsoka are all coming out next year fills me with hope that it can get better and be great. I have faith in Dave Filoni and even Favreau and I truly believe that it’s all up from here.
He made the point that trying to make lots of stuff at the same time will decrease it’s quality. So the amount of content is probably correlated with its quality.
@@Alex-02 no, he made the point that having the same special thing over and over again diminishes how special it is. The issue is that Disney Star Wars wasn’t special to begin with, their first moves were to cancel Clone Wars, cancel a bunch of upcoming games like Star Wars 1313, and decanonize everything, after that they released the Sloppily written Aftermath trilogy of books, then TFA which seemed solely reliant on nostalgia pandering (South Park later coining the term “Member berries” to refer to this, which I still see used quite a bit), and the rest of the sequel trilogy played out like a child in a divorce case being tugged in two different directions by adoptive parents (JJ and Rian) who both seemingly only wanted to use the child to spite the other parent.
you can make a ton of content but the problem is there is no care for story telling or the story period. so it doesnt matter if disney does more or less. they do not care if they make good or bad starwars they just want to sell their politics. clearly if storytelling and finance made an impact we have had better movies comics and story from day one and the eu would not have been been called legends...
You are very forgiving of the level of quality in the plot and character development that Disney is putting out in these shows and movies. More power to you, but Its hard for me to watch these projects without a lingering feeling of dissappointment at what could have been.
As a lifelong Star Wars fan in my 40's, it's actually very reassuring to hear that younger fans feel the same way. The last few minutes of this essay really nails the essence of what being a SW fan is.. at least for me. I've always cherished this Galaxy, while at the same time, CONSTRUCTIVELY CRITIQUED the shows and movies that were lacking. Andor is something special and has raised the bar. I truly hope that Andor won't end up being alone in that category. Great video man! I decided to subscribe and will look for more content from you in the future. 🙏
Incredible video bro, you pretty much perfectly summed up the timeline of the early Canon days to now. I felt exactly the same for almost all of the these events as you did😂😂 The hype pre-TLJ was absolutely monstrous, primarily fuelled by snoke theories and Rey's parents theories haha. I hope we can get back there one day... Mando got close for a small amount of time
I say 1 live action show, 1 animated show, and 1 movie a year. Take the time, make them good. The video game related releases are less of a concern because people consume them at a different pace and much less accessible. As you said, new characters and stories that aren’t reliant on The Things We Know and put writing a great story over spectacle.
But on the video games Force EA to make single player games fallen order only existed to get back into our good books they cannot be relied to make more when skinner boxes are available
@@ShredderPeek it’s just my personal recommendation 🤷🏻♂️ So many of these projects have come across feeling rushed (especially when you read about what the SFX houses are dealing with) and the series (animated and live action) could maybe be more than 6-8 episodes with a more cogent story rather than just a repurposed/lengthened movie concept. 12 regular episodes on a weekly release is 3 months of content. 24 episodes (animated) is 6 months. Shit, we used to get one movie every few years and be super excited and happy about it. It’s not like people will forget about Star Wars if they have to wait a few months
@@jmurray1110 I’m not as familiar with the logistics of the game production and release, but that seems reasonable to me 🤷🏻♂️. I’d be interested in them doing an MMORPG again at some point (as long as it’s good of course)
@@deanthemachine8879 EA like other game studios actively refuse to make single player games anymore because they can’t as easily force in gambling mechanics and a technique of putting new players in with P2P players with cosmetics to make they look more appealing and as such increases the likelihood of the player buying them Yeah I’m OK with a MMORPG but given KOTOR is still getting updated I doubt they will make a new one soon (also if it’s EA that’s not happening they would release a “live service” game with a $70 entry fee and additional purchases that would make the, more money in the short term)
The wildest thing about the sequel movies in my opinion is that episodes 8 and 9 were clear letdowns for many fans, but episode 7 was at least carried by the theories and promises of mysteries to be solved. When 8 and 9 came out, they somehow managed to not only be bad themselves, but also ruin a movie that had already come out.
I feel like the concept of "franchise fatigue" is a myth. I don't think the frequency of projects has anything to do with how they are received. Since early in Disney Star Wars people have been people complaining about getting a couple of hours Star Wars content a year, saying that it's too much, and it makes no sense to me because at the same time people were eating up about 5 times as much content in hours of Game of Thrones per year without ever complaining that there was too much of it. And when Game of Thrones did fall in its final season, it wasn't because people were tired of the show, it was because the last season was just bad. With any myth there is a potential for there to be a kernel of truth to it, and with franchise fatigue that kernel is that if there is a lot of content, there is just more of a chance for there to be bad content and that bad content has a chance of turning people off from future content. But that said, I don't think the relationship between content frequency and bad content is causal, it's just correlational. As with many great TV shows like Game of Thrones (minus final season), Breaking Bad, or even old great shows with 20+ episodes per season like Buffy or TNG, or even as the MCU has shown us for the majority of its existence, people are perfectly capable of enjoying copious amounts content from a single franchise in a single year. The real problem with Disney Star Wars is the same problem the DCEU had: they went into it wanting what the MCU had without wanting to putting in the work to build up to it the way the MCU did it. As you pointed out, they announced several projects like how Marvel does, but many of those announcements were paper facades with no actual projects fleshed out behind them. The problem is a lack of planning and communication behind the scenes.
It's not a myth bcz a franchise needs to hit a high and then end. If they keep pumping out sub par products, bcz those releases won't be able to reach that high, that's when the fatigue sets in. That's what happened to the mcu.
On one hand, I see that Disney is trying to fill in the gaps and connect all the characters within certain time periods that have been covered already. On the other hand, why can’t we just see how the First Order rose to power again, since that part hasn’t been covered at all
I agree with you on that, I think why they aren’t covering that portion is because they’re scared of pushing out any other sequel content because of how that trilogy was received by audiences, so they’re trying to win them back with nostalgia and cameos
Well, Mandalorian and BOBF (and Ahsoka if I'm not mistaken) are set in the sequel era, so we could get info from Mando Season 3 and future seasons of Boba and Ahsoka about the First Order's level of status
@@higuysitseli I doubt it. The sequels actually did get pretty good reviews, not to mention huge box offices. They already have done a few sequel stuff such as the resistance show, and some Lego specials. I do wish we had some more though
This oversaturation of Star Wars content currently I think is because of Disney. As the same patterns are seen in marvel and it’s content. Disney are going for quantity rather than quality with their two largest IPs. This is coming at the cost of the fans. There is no time to sit and think and discuss shows because Disney needs to keep you subscribed to Disney +, by flooding you with content from your favourite brands all the time. And I fear this is going to have a massive impact on these fandoms in the future as they will just get burnt out with so much all the time that they just leave.
I don't buy this exaustion BS, people are never tired of GOOD CONTENT. The same anime can keep going for decades and their fanbases are always there, If the content is good you can do It as much as you want with minimal consequences.
People always get tired of good content. It actually HAPPENS ALOT. I haven’t seen many people Who don’t get exhausted of the same content from a franchise no matter how good it really is. I don’t know how you’re not buying this when it’s a very common occurrence, but whatever.
I mean. People can get sick of anything, especially things they love, and ESPECIALLY if they’re met with disappointment from franchises they love. I’ll binge shows or games, but at some point I need a break.
I have some small disagreements about Bad Batch. Like sure, it didn't focus on Echo and Tech, but upon a couple rewatches I forgave it. We get a lot of mileage out of the characters we see. Spoilers for season 2: it opens with some Tech/Echo centric episodes. Very much adapting to critiques on the first season. Echo comes across as the grumpy guy he was made out to be in an interview with DBB. Both are still the same character, but I got more out of it
No, Disney is not making too much Star Wars content. They are actually making way too little Star Wars content. They are making a lot of garbage, but not much actual Star Wars content!
lol last jedi left no room for speculation every single mystery force awakens set up was intentionally given a rushed, unsatisfying answer, and it didn't leave any path forward for a sequel. is it any wonder rise of skywalker turned out the way it did?
While I agree with your point about mando s2 being somewhat reliant on fan service, you have to admit how effective some of its story beats were. I still flinch seeing the razor crest destroyed and din saying goodbye to grogu was the first scene to ever make me cry.
You encapsulated most of my thoughts in to this essay! i really liked it! And i do agree with most of your points, it really was heartbreaking for me, when Book of Boba Fett a show that in my opinion was doing something new and refreshing with the character suddenly became this fan service fiesta because Lucasfilm/disney was probably afraid of backlash they would received from the fans if they tried making something slightly out of expectations. This is what made Andor so friking great! It wasn't afraid to take risks and tell us a story about new characters without any fanservice! I hope they continue this route.
I was born in 1986, and I would say that the best time to be a SW fan throughout my lifetime was between the release of Episode 2 and Episode 3. The hype was UNREAL. It felt like the whole world was on edge waiting to see Anakin finally becoming Darth Vader. It's interesting actually how LITTLE the poor reception to Episode 1 and 2 did to kill the hype for Episode 3. That's one big difference between the prequel and sequel trilogy. With the sequels, peoples disapointment in the first two movies (aspecially the second one) pretty much killed the hype for the final movie of the trilogy. But with the sequels, even though most people agreed that the first two movies were kinda bad (just HOW bad was a point of contention) people STILL were hyped as fuck for episode 3. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that in the late 90's/early 00's (in fact all the way up to Disney buying SW) SW had this aura of being something more than just movies. New SW movies was as if new chapters of an actuall mythology was being revelaed. And even in cases where the chapter kinda sucked, it was still part of that mythology. SW had an aura of significance to it that is hard to put into words. And then of course, regarding the hype for Ep 3, there is no denying that a lot of it had to do with the fact that we essentially KNEW what was going to happen; we were gonna see Anakin become Vader. Even people with a mere passing interest in SW was hyped for that shit. Even talkshow hosts and other people in media who didn't seem like especially "nerdy" guys seemed to talk about the upcoming final episode of SW with GENUINE excitement, not the kind of phony exceitement that they always have to show towards new products. Personally, I had a teacher who was in his 60's at that point who didn't seem like a nerd of any stretch but who in he weeks leading up to the shows premiere talked with us students about how he coudln't wait to see Anakins transition to Vader. And among those of us that actually WERE nerds... oh God, the hype cannot be put into words. It just cannot. We spent so much of our lives discussing that upcoming movie in the years between that and Ep 2. I remember one thread on a forum that asked the genuine question "What will you spend your time with once the movie is out and over?", as in, what the hell will we do to fill the void left when we know that there are no more upcoming Star Wars movies to speculate about? Indeed, I don't want to sound like an old "Kids these days could never understand" guy but... At the very least I can say that as hyped as people were for that very first Disney SW movie, it pails in comparasion to the Ep 3 hype, as well as the Ep 1 and 2 hype. Someone older than me will have to tell me how the prequel era hype stakcs up to the OT hype.
I have to say that my love for this franchise never stopped existing. Since forever it has excellent works and some works that are terrible. I lived to see Rise of Skywalker in a almost empty theater on opening week. Like it's STAR WARS, and no one was talking about it besides how bad it was. But nowadays we are so pumped to see Andor season 2, or Mando season 3 and, of course, Jedi Survivor. Star Wars isn't just a product and a movie series, it's the universe, the characters we love, that exist in film, television, books, games, comics, etc and those may or may not be good.
The loss of fan trust was the biggest problem. I know I'm not the only one who doesn't want Disney to touch characters we love after what happened in the sequels.
You managed to sum up the past years pretty well! On the one hand, I'm happy that Kenobi & tBoBF didn't manage to ruin my enjoyment of Star Wars as a whole but on the other hand, it's spooky how much I don't care about these... Congrats on such a great first video Essay!
@@AustinSWE3 Kennedyfilm PR desperately trying to explain why people will watch 4 Marvel movies in a year but Star Wars lost half its audience with each movie.
Having a 10 year exclusive EA game deal was one of the worst decisions they ever made obi wan not being a high budget movie with an actual passionate writer was another dumb decision solo would’ve been better as a tv show and book of boba not making boba a mysterious badass was a horrendous decision so glad Kathy K is finally leaving and that we still have Dave dropping consistent bangers
Star Wars hype... I was born in November of 76' and my parents took me to see A New Hope at 6 moths old! I have literally lived off this franchise and you'd be quite surprised at the level of info my 73 year old mom knows! Plus I have 9 Star Wars tattoos. This video was a great way to sum up my view on the franchise. I'd disagree with a few statements about the sequel trilogy, but we're all open to our opinions, and what you said certainly makes s valid point. Also this was the most accurate criticism on BoBF ever.
I think that the hype of mandalorian would have been fine if the obi wan series was a movie. Meaning they could buy much more time to make after the book of boba fett. At that point it would have been probably a year when the book of boba would have released (minimum 6 months after the obi movie) and so the basically mandalorian episodes would still pay off because we would have waited for more time. Since Andor is notas heavy star wars as both boba and obi wan it could have been released at the same time, and then it would lead to the Ashoka and Mando series to be released in 2023, the other series should be release in 2024, otherwise it's really too much starwars to actually enjoy
When I was younger, I used to love Star Wars, but tbh Disney truly killed it for me. I've stopped watching the shows, and I just can't bring myself to accept some of the changes they've made to the franchise. It's a damn shame too because with proper direction and the resources Disney has, Star Wars should be better than ever. It just seems like the higher-ups/designers are afraid of taking risks or straying too far from established material (unless ofc it's Legends in which case they just threw out decades of established material because why not)
I made my previous comment before finishing the video (my point still stands there, Bad Batch is great). However, I didn't realize how few subs you have. You have very interesting takes and opinions I'd love to see expanded upon. I look forward to seeing where you go in the future, I'll be sticking around for that. Especially with the quality presented here. May the force be with you.
Gave you a thumbs up for being articulate and thoughtful in your commentary. I was born in 1975 and grew up with the original theatrical releases, owned all the SW toys I could convince my parents to buy for me (and I've even kept a few for nostalgia purposes), devoured many of the SW novels and gladly introduced my son to the SW franchise back in 2018. Shows like SW inspired me to become a writer (the first book of my first trilogy begins releasing in March 2023). As such, I can't look at shows without that critical writer's eye anymore. I appreciate that people have different tastes and I'm actually jealous that you were able to enjoy TLJ, Solo and RoS. I left TLJ thinking it was okay, but as I digested it more, I came to understand better why I didn't like it, why I found Solo boring and why RoS was absolutely forgettable for me. I'm not here to rehash those reasons since there are a bajillion channels out there who've done it. The Mandalorian came along and I felt for the first time that I was truly watching SW again. It wasn't perfect, but I could finally root for the heroes again. I was eager to see more. Unfortunately, when Disney went down the dark path and fired Gina Carano, it killed my hope for the franchise and put a sour taste in my mouth for anything associated with the Disney brand. I hear nothing but good things about Andor, but Disney's misbehavior and mismanagement of its IPs has lost me as a customer. I look at it all now and think, "What a wasted opportunity."
Edit: TL;DR: Hype gone, big sad. It's so sad that having been a Star Wars fan for most of my life, someone who loved the originals, the Prequels (maybe not Attack of the Clones so much, but at least it had the magnificent Christopher Lee,) and even the Force Awakens, to feel such utter apathy nowadays toward a series I once loved. In the days leading up to the release of The Force Awakens, I couldn't sleep, could barely sit still. And when I did manage to sleep, I _dreamed_ about going to see that movie. I strategically planned how I would get tickets, where I would get tickets, and when I would get tickets. I brought out my old lightsabers for fights with my little brother. I binged all of the movies back to back several times. I played through the KOTOR games again (still the best pieces of Star Wars media ever created, fight me.) My friends were excited. My _teachers_ were excited. My mom, my uncles, my aunts, my cousins were excited. Star Wars fever was off the friggin' scale. And then the movie came out... and I _loved_ it. I thought the characters were interesting. I dug the fun, frantic energy of the action set pieces and dialogue. And of course the movie was a sight to behold on the big screen. I walked out of that theater feeling like I was on top of the world. And for a good while, most of my acquaintances seemed to feel more or less the same. Even those who didn't care for the movie or found it too derivative of the original trilogy agreed that the vibe of the movie and everything surrounding it reinvigorated their love for Star Wars. And when Rogue One hit the next year, even those people were completely on board. Rogue One is an objective masterpiece that blends everything great about Star Wars into a single film, and yet was like nothing the film series had even approached before. I was sick the night I went to go see it theaters, but I kid you not, the minute Darth Vader appeared at the end of that hallway, illuminated by the ominous red glow of his lightsaber, my cold was like "okay, I'm out!" Rogue One, for one last, glorious moment, seemed to unite the entire fanbase and convinced me that Star Wars was back and here to stay. But nothing could have prepared me for what happened next. My family and I narrowly squeeze into the last few seats available in our local cinema, surrounded by hundreds of warm bodies; I swear I could smell the sweat. Half of our town had turned up for The Last Jedi, it seemed, and the other half were probably packed in just as tightly at our other theater. And so, we watch The Last Jedi. And... nothing. There is no energy. There is no excitement. There's not even disgust, at least not yet. Everybody just sits there and watches, then leaves. I leave too. I lay there in my bed that night thinking, " I just saw the newest Star Wars movie. So why do I feel so... indifferent? No, I must have just missed something. I missed the part where the magic clicks. I just missed that." So I go and watch it again with my friends the next week, thinking, "okay. This time I'll really digest it and the excitement will be there for sure!" So I watch it again. And once again, something is just off. My friends and I head to Sonic afterward and discuss the film, at which point it dawns on me that I just didn't like it. I didn't think it was terrible, I just didn't care for the movie's whole flavor. But I was like, you know what? That's fine. Not everybody has to like every single installment in a series. So I get on the internet the next morning and everybody's still kinda trying to figure out how to feel about this movie. Some love it, some hate it, others are just indifferent. Opinions are all over the place. Practically the next day, the conversation shifts, and everybody absolutely _hates_ this movie. If I didn't know any better, I'd say this movie had committed some sort of crime. People were acting like it broke into their house in the middle of the night and killed their dog! I didn't like it either, but I was completely shocked by the reception it was garnering. And after this, things were just never the same. Solo came out. Got ignored. Episode IX came and went. Most people hated it, some people were fine with it (me). But the general feeling was "whatever." Gone was that ethereal sense of wonder and childlike fancy that enraptured us all at the beginning. And while some have been able to recapture that through stuff like The Mandalorian and Andor, I just haven't. I loved The Clone Wars season 7, but I mean come on, it was The Clone Wars. How was I not supposed to get excited about that? I also liked the Bad Batch, but that's also just more Clone Wars. It's comfy. It's safe. It's a relic of the time before. Before the dark times. The Last Jedi wasn't the worst movie ever made, but it was a movie I could care less about. And that is far worse. Because I could care less about everything else now, too.
as a new star wars fan who has consumed most but not all of its visual content, this was incredibly cool to see. it's so interesting to see fan dialogue around the release of modern SW. unfortunately i hadn't seen rogue one and this video spoiled the ending for me, but it's absolutely my fault for watching something like this to begin with. anyway, this was engaging from start to finish and i loved it
I read something that said: when we form these theories and they don’t end up coming true, it can also shift our views/opinions about for example: the last Jedi.
TLJ is still the best star wars movie. God forbid anybody ever try to inject beautiful character work and interesting themes to move the franchise forward in one of these again. Everybody who revolted is responsible for the rise of Skywalker and the state of the ip now. I don't hold strong opinions about the people who just disliked the movie and moved on, but for the people who bullied the cast, whined about how it killed their childhood, etc, Disney clamped down on episode IX because of you
The fatigue isn't too much Star Wars, it's consistently bad Star Wars. The average person doesn't resonate with Dave Filoni's headcanon; they resonate with a good story. The reason it's become exciting again is because Andor has genuinely good writing and can stand on its own, whereas the other shows rely on MCU-style tie-ins, spectacle, and digital canvasing to maintain seasonal releases. Even for people like me who were completely burnt with Disney garbage years ago, a quality show like Andor is enough to get excited again. You're not suddenly getting thousands of views because people are burnt out on Star Wars, but because this is the first production since 2016 that appeals to a wider audience.
It's understandable that you have a lot to say in your first video essay, and it's great that you're passionate about the topic. However, I suggest renaming the video to "Star Wars since Rise of Skywalker" as it focuses more on that specific aspect than the overall hype. While your in-depth analysis of certain series is interesting, it may be better to separate those discussions into their own videos, such as your thoughts on the Mandalorian and fan service. I did notice a shift in your tone when discussing the dropped series, and it's clear that Star Wars holds a special place in your heart. It's important to remember that decisions in the franchise are often financially-driven, and as fans, we can only hope for the best. Overall, keep up the great work and continue to bring a unique perspective to your presentations.
This cameo mania is WHY Marvel Comics was close to bankruptcy before the MCU took off imho. You wouldn't have strong individual stories for each superhero but rather an endless chain of pointless crossovers. Ms Marvel would have a meandering issue and then at the end, Spider-Man shows up. Big whole page spread of just Spider-Man showing up. And you don't CARE because over in his own comic it is also, meandering plot and then Iron-Man shows up. Substituting good stories for rememberries. Not to mention, whatever plot's left becomes even more difficult to follow because you need to keep buying like 3 different comics to keep up and no non-diehard will do that.
I went into the last Jedi wanting to love it. I was beyond excited for 2 years. In the theater I just kept feeling weird like certain things felt off. Leaving the theater I just was so torn because I wanted to love it and I just didn’t. I was turned off Star Wars for 2 years even after I enjoyed solo. I really didn’t care about anything Star Wars related till a while after mando came out and my family had all wanted to watch it together.
This was a very well put together essay. There are some points where I disagree with you though. Mainly, the fact that it's thought fatigue for the franchise is to blame is not entirely correct in my opinion. If you take the early MCU in 2008 with Iron Man and every release since, you could say that we'd get franchise fatigue at some point but people loved it so much that they didn't realize 10 years passed since. If the story was convoluted, forced and overall bad like in modern movies and TV, people would have walked out from the MCU too. The only way to prevent franchise fatigue is good storytelling.
On the day I saw ‘Solo’ my family went home that night and a horrible fight ensued, and that unrelated incident has tarnished Solo for me, since then I haven’t been able to watch it.
I think if Disney had gone with Colin Trevorrow's sequel it would have elevated the Last Jedi. Instead of building on Episode VIII, though, Disney panicked and spent half of Rise of Skywalker "course correcting." Regardless, I have enjoyed all the Star Wars movies. I'm hoping we get a new movie eventually.
I think what makes Andor different is that it has the similar production positivities of The Mandalorian. There is an actual plan to complete the story and allowing different episodes to be present for multiple seasons. From what I see in the pattern for TBOBF and Kenobi, there is nothing in that series that allow people to breathe in what is going on. Instead, there is a rushed story people have to pay attention to. TBOBF was more frustrating to me because they had potential in exploring Boba's reign in Tatooine, but instead by the end of the show, it's like those experiences meant nothing to Boba or Fennec. All Boba did was sit around, demand credits, and get pushed around. That's not respectful bruh
Andor had more time to write its story, Mando S1 was just a contrived, convoluted mess that’s writing was all over the place, lacking any consistency. Mando S2 was just the same accept it tried to hide its failures with Cameo after Cameo. The Luke scene solidified it.
I feel like the main issue with Disney lucasfilm is the lack of direction and vision. Personally I can’t wait for Kathleen Kennedy to be gone and Jon favreau, Dave filoni and Ron Howard all sound like excellent candidates. Edit: I’ve always found the people who like the last Jedi really toxic. I’ve met people who like it and aren’t but this is the first video and I just need to say how I appreciate you encouraging actual conversation.
I feel like on of the big problems is nothing is Stand Alone. The Mandalorian makes sense if you haven't seen any other Star Wars stuff. The Book of Boba Fett doesn't.
I don't know why people insist that the force awakens was a good film or even an okay film. It didn't reunite Luke, Han, Leia. The storytelling is x10 worst than the legends version of events. On top of all that they tried to remake a new hope with the "starkiller" base. It was lazy and contrived from day 1 and it will never be anything close to the original 6 movies or any EU content even the bad ones like Palpatine coming back the dead in Dark Empire.
17:30 - "Oh no way is that really Luke?" 17:40 - "Oh... No way... IS that really Luke?" (Like seriously I was 100% on board for Luke appearing in The Mandalorian, and I still am, but when I saw it I wasn't sure if it was a botched de-aging of Mark Hamill or if they'd cast someone else entirely.)
I got really burned out by Star Wars AND Marvel. Many of the projects felt really mediocre, especially Marvel post-Infinity War. But unlike a lot of comments here, Andor didn't revive me. It didn't live up to the expectations the internet set. I think the characters were great and the story had a lot of potential, but the ORDER of the plotting was really poorly done. I could probably write an essay as to why I think the plotting in Andor weakened the story, but the long short of it is that it's meant to explore the themes of the difficulties in rebellion as well as why a rebellion starts in the first place, which is meant to be shown through Cassian's perspective. But because he goes to Aldhani first, we never actually see his growth towards the rebellion in the way the themes want to present. Instead, it feels like a major back and forth where the ending is Cassian's regret and wish for death instead of a motivation to join the rebellion for good. Basically, all the arcs are fine, they are just out of order. With a bit of plot rehashing, it should have been: Harassed by Guards > Prison > Home with hints of rebellion and the Empire occupying > Luthen and Aldhani > Home again with even more occupation > Escape.
Just the mention of many of these shows/movies reminds me of the hole in me where my love for SW once was, I hope I can one day feel "hyped" for new SW again.
I think this is less content overload and more just not having quality content. There was a massive myth a few years ago where people would say that Star wars fans always hate new Star wars content no matter what, like the prequels, clone wars, sequels but it turns out all those people were proven wrong when the mandalorian came out it turns out that everyone complaining about Star wars fans was wrong turns out the ones who weren't sycophantic fanboys hated things that were poor quality just like any other person.
I felt betrayed and lied to when Tales of the Jedi was revealed to not be about the fight of the light side and the dark side on the context of the old republic, starting 5000 years before the movies…
Let’s be real as a die hard star wars fan, these are stories about people in a galaxy far far away who zip around space instantly and fight each other with laser swords, blasters and space magic. Some of the star wars stories aren’t as good or well developed as others but at the end of the day if you look at them like the whimsical adventures they are meant to be it helps you keep the love
I think Last Jedi changed things because that was the moment we all realized there isn’t a plan. This isn’t parts of a whole, it’s filling in blanks without looking at what’s ahead. At least Marvel has a plan, probably…I assume…hope.
Disney when some star wars products aren't doing well: Alright we need to cut back on the star wars stuff Disney when one star wars show or movie is well received (Mandolorian/Andor) : Alright star wars star wars star wars let's start pushing out products And thus the cycle begins anew
Not really. The newer films objectively mock the hero journey motif that was the basis of the plot in the first sequal series (iV, V and VI). Hollywood has forgotten how to tell a story. These films are a poor attempt to preserve the culture, which is the point of these films. New producers and writers look like they are actively trying to replace the "old" with something "new" and failing miserably.
The Last Jedi showed me just how layered, thematically rich, and amazing Star Wars could be. Then came Mando S2. I thought it was awful and that's when I checked out. I'm so glad I came back for Andor. It really renewed my faith in this franchise. Also shout out to Star Wars Visions for being the best animated SW thing to date. Can't wait for Visions 2.
The worst thing about Disney's total market saturation is that they're aware they're doing it. They're not some new inexperienced studio that's just too excited about their smash hit series, Disney is probably the best example of scarcity increasing demand in media with the Disney Vault. They're just intentionally bleeding these classic IPs dry until it's just another part of the surface level noise that people make art to get away from. The best possible spin of this is that DIsney is just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks, and it's pretty unanimous that smaller stories with new, complex characters are what people get excited about in Star Wars, so hopefully they'll take that and run with it. My fondest memories of the property are the books, comics, and games of the late '90s and early '00s, so maybe we'll get another "extended universe" renaissance. Not holding my breath though!
I miss those time's when Star wars came back from 2015 up until 2016 and coming up with my own theories,But watching Solo and Rise Of Skywalker killed the love and excitement of Star Wars for me....Even with the Mandalorian and The Clone Wars season 7 the hype for Star Wars is dead for most of the fandom and will probably stay dead,It's like what Kilo Ren said"let the past die kill it if you have to,And Disney certainly did that
It personally took me four years after the release of Rise of Skywalker to get back into Star Wars. I did watch the first season of Mando, but it was nowhere near enough for me, the burnout was intense. It wasn't until Andor that I finally got back into the star wars groove
Personally, when Star Wars content brings back pre-existing characters in a new show/movie, the main criteria that I have is "Does it make sense for this character to appear here?" With characters like Bo-Katan, Ahsoka, Boba Fett, and Luke in Mando Season 2 I think it does. They tie into the overarching story/goal of the season which is to find Mandalorians and Jedi which makes sense as to why Mando would seek out/cross paths with them, and it makes sense for Bo-Katan to point Mando in the direction of Ahsoka considering their past. I'd even argue that Cad Bane's appearance in Book of Boba Fett also makes sense due to the history between the two (although it wasn't handled nearly as well as it should have been).
I can agree with this! Especially bc thinking about it, a lot of the ones I don’t like don’t really make sense to the story, like Luke and Ahsoka being in a Boba Fett series
Exactly. The fan service in mando season 2 is in my opinion make sense. mando and grogu want to find more mandos and jedis so it make sense for them to came across those characters. No way home is another work where the fanservice make perfect sense in my opinion. The original characters returning not just for the sake of fanservice but also to enhance Tom story as spiderman. Ashoka and Luke appearing in book of boba fett make no sense and a very blatant and shameless fanservice cause their stories are not tied to boba fett journey in ANY way.
@@johans3164 Yeah. Book of Boba Fett's Luke and Ahsoka appearances are an interesting case for me, because on one hand it makes sense for Mando to encounter them again since he's specifically seeking out Grogu, but it in no way ties into the main Boba storyline and instead hijacks the show for an episode.
The Mandalore Season 3 trailer just dropped, everything built in Andor was immedietly dropped to the floor. It's all nostalgia, it's all "WOW LOOK AT THAT THING I KNOW!". The comments on that video are overwhelmingly positive. It gives me really bad feelings that Andor was simply a black sheep and Lucasfilm is going back to what pumps out money rather than what gives good content.
im a super casual star wars fan. i think the plot trilogy should have centered more around rey and finn, with finn actually being force sensitive just like rey, maybe not as good in the beginning, but power creeps in the later episodes… then they have a kid and that kid becomes 1 of the best force users in the galaxy
Regarding the cliffhanger claim--The Empire Strikes Back ended with Han in carbonite, Luke just finding out Vader was his father, the rebels almost defeated. My cousin told me how it was to wait three years to find out what happened. It wasn't nearly on the scale of The Force Awakens' ending.
I dunno, growing up with Star Wars prequel following Star Wars content feels…nature, like breathing. Ever since the Mando miniverse launched it’s somehow stressful just to keep up. Til the point I dropped the series as a whole entirely. It’s unthinkable to my teen-self that I will one day give up on Star Wars, but it did happened. It’s just too much for me right now
The Palpatine laugh in the Rise of Skywalker trailer... honestly, it was my last straw. I didn't get excited when I heard it, instead I saw through the facade; I saw it for what it was: backpedaling. I saw, in that moment, that Disney was scared, frantic, and trying really hard to course correct because of The Last Jedi. It told me, in that moment, that they did not know what they were doing. And I started crying, because, in my mind and in my heart, for me, that was the day Star Wars died.
8:30 (Solo would have done better if it weren't released only 5 months after Last Jedi) That sounds like making excuses to me. 5 months is a decent chunk of time, and while "Last Jedi" and "Solo" are part of the same overall storyline they're not very closely connected. The only character in both stories is Chewbacca. It's analogous to "Ant Man" coming out 2 months after "Age of Ultron". The difference, if we're looking at this in terms of context relative to the preceding films is "Age of Ultron" was generally well-received, "The Last Jedi" less so. I kind of look at this whole Star Wars situation a little differently, personally: I don't think it's good necessarily that a lot of the recent Star Wars productions have felt a bit shoddy or poorly thought out... But I do think it's good that the style of production they're pursuing allows for shows that maybe aren't going to do so well. Because they're (seemingly) not operating under an expectation or demand that *every* new work they produce be a fan-favorite, unmitigated critical and commercial success, they have latitude to try different things. They can experiment, they can throw things at the wall and see what sticks. That results in a lot of forgettable schlock but it is that process that yields them the occasional gem, the "Mandalorian"s, the "Andor"s. The original Star Wars was kind of an experiment, too. A mostly played-straight, morally unambiguous space opera, a new take on Buck Rodgers in a period where cinematic sci-fi was (I think) still largely defined by 2001: A Space Odyssey and later films like Silent Running or Logan's Run. There's a lot of potential to tell different stories in the framework of "Star Wars", and in terms of the movies they haven't really explored that potential all that much. The kind of relationship and expectations a lot of us developed around Star Wars, like the expectation that each new iteration was going to be a beloved gem like the way we think about the ones we saw when we were kids... It's not the most realistic or healthy set of expectations. Developing a less-elevated set of expectations is good for us and for the franchise as a whole.
I'm only an extremely casual Star Wars fan but I literally almost cried at the beginning of this video remembering how the Force Awakens hype felt and how much hope and excitement and potential exuded from that film. It's so unspeakably disappointing that it all went to such a waste.
Loved this video but wayyyy too manyyyy ads. I work in a place where I can listen to music and YT videos but cant touch my phone a lot, so that’s my only issue with this. Other than that, great content. Hate the ads 😖
While I agree to some extent that excessive content can wear some fans out, I think the main problem with Star Wars is the quality of its content. The sequels, Obi-Wan Kenobi, TBoBF, and even parts of The Bad Batch were extremely lackluster to say the least. I feel like a lot of fans don’t feel like they have a lot of goodwill left. Which is a bummer because I really enjoyed Andor, but I didn’t tune in until several months after its release.
I get what you mean for sure, and definitely agree. It is just that for me personally, I feel like their biggest issues have been rushing things out. The sequels just HAD to be 2 years apart, even after Episode IX had major issues, they still stuck to that. They didn't come up with a plan cause they just wanted them out there. TBOBF, another project that was worked on for a year. Same with Kenobi, despite a nearly 6 year pre-production. Andor was the only project recently that took over a year to do post-production, and boom, its great. They just never seem to have the time to perfect everything like that, which is why I feel the quantity is a bigger issue than quality, because one effects the other.
I disagree with you on the over abundance of content being the problem. I think that it’s just the lack of quality. If they destroy what we invested in why would thy think that they are going to keep are interest.
It's both. Just look at Call of Duty, the same shit every year, it ain't special anymore. Star wasn't wasn't meant to be bled dry. Even if at an acceptable quality, we'd get burn out like with the cape shit.
I agree, but it's hard to produce both quality and quantity. The argument that Disney has enough money to do both doesnt quite cut it either, it's not just budgets but people. You can't stretch Dave Filoni too far and there arent many directors/producers that have the same calibre in regards to Star Wars. It's obvious that Disney are trying to replicate their success with Marvel by have an abundance fo media to consume all in the same universe but I genuinely think they need to slow dowm, at least in the film/tv mediums.
Yeah, they botched the mainline movies. No amount of shows, spin-offs or side content is going to undo that damage. The flagship series was a huge disappointment
@@aran998 indeed. They cute down there big old oak tree, and then wonder why their shrubs don’t provide enough shade.
@@MALICEM12 It’s the same problem with all three franchises though;
No one got “burnt out on cape shit,” Marvel just made too many terrible products in a row, same with COD and Star Wars.
Have you ever heard anyone ever say “Man, I’m so burnt out on this franchise that just keeps making good movies. I hate all this amazingly well written content I’m getting!!!!”
No. Because that doesn’t happen.
People don’t get bored of good things, they get tired of terrible things, but the medium or franchise gets blamed when it’s the writing of said franchise that’s the actual culprit.
I didn't outright hate BOBF the same way some did, but it was really such a missed opportunity. It is three shows in one. It is a story of Boba's survival and post ROTJ pre Mandalorian journey. It is (trying to be) a crime epic. And it is the Mandalorian season 2.5. I especially would've liked to see one whole season of Boba vs. Cad Bane. It could be intercut with flashbacks of their training together and the last time they confronted each other, leading up to a Western style finale. It could have been done.
Totally agree. Not using Cad Bane early was a huge missed opportunity. Boba spent so much time in the bacta tank and we didn't see a single flashback to his duel with Cad Bane. I suppose they did it to keep the late season reveal a surprise but seeing him earlier would have given the season more stakes. Wiping out the sand people and replacing them with thinly characterized Mods was a huge mistake too.
@@njebei I think something in the middle could have been done. If Cad Bane hadn't died at the end of season 1 (They might bring him back which would be annoying) or better, if he'd just been a last-minute reveal at the end of the season, (Which wouldn't change very much at all if you think about it) the next season could've had shorter flashbacks strategically placed throughout the season of their training and their last fight. (Keep it the same as the discarded CW episode except Boba never gets a shot off and Cad Bane walks away thinking Boba is dead) Boba running his hand over that dent in his helmet intercut with that would be really cool. We have a ton of encounters, and then finally, we get something along the lines of the season 1 finale. (But better written and directed) Killing him after his VERY MINOR ROLE in 2 episodes was a mistake and honestly disrespectful to the original character.
I just didn’t like what they did in Book of Boba. I wish the last scene of the show would have been him taking Jabba’s throne. And the rest of the show showing his whole journey, childhood with his father, his time making a name for himself as a teenage bounty Hunter, how he became an amoral ruthless killer that worked for the Empire, and then his fall and how he found himself again in the desert. Then when he finally takes Jabba’s throne, it would be up to the audience to interpret if he would stick to his new found morality or resort back to his old self.
Oh yeah, the Boba/Cad Bane relationship really needed to be fleshed out way more that it was if they were going to use him as the show’s final villain. Too much left up to implication and suggested offscreen history.
Cad Bane was a late addition....He was never supposed to be in it!
Boba Fett was at its best in the flashbacks with the Tuskens - The Mandalorian episodes were stolen from Mando Season 3 and added in because the people in charge didn't like the original ending and wanted it changed!
No idea if the original ending was going to be good or not BUT Rodriguez, with those ridiculous mopeds, had destroyed any faith the fanbase had in this show!
Idk if the Star wars burnout was necessary for me to feel the way I did about Andor, but it singlehandedly raised the bar for star wars and also saved the reputation of the franchise. I hope that word of mouth carries it high
agreed, Andor was just brilliant!
Really hoping they don’t read it the wrong way and double down on more shows like kenobi since it made more money. I mean these are the same people saying solo flopped cause Han wasn’t cgi Harrison ford
I love the OG starwars, even the prequels aside episode 1, but the only thing i like about the New starwars is rogue one... it kinda died for me, at least the recent stuff.
I was looking forward to Andor, but I do not understand at all why people love it so much. I think the “every character is important” idea is just bogus. For the first time, I cared so little about nearly every character except Mothma, Andor, and boot strap bill turner. The prison sequence was great but nothing else exited me whatsoever. It was just so generic and bland imo
I’m a huge star wars fan, but I still haven’t watched Andor. But everyone has told me it’s dull and kind of boring, but I’m pretty sure my love of Star Wars could help me get pass that. Because it helped me watch boba fett till the end 😅
Personally, I want quality over quantity. I want to have a show that I eventually might rewatch. Not either never watch it again or set it down halfway through. Andor is one of those shows I will eventually rewatch I think.
totally agreed! the content will be much better too if they slow down
Just finished Andor and I want to rewatch it. Can't say that for anything Star Wars since Rogue One.
I love how the “spin-off of the guy from Rogue One” ended up being one of the best pieces of Star Wars media, period. The whole Disney era has been a mixed bag, but Andor… Andor was something truly special.
For real. I was one of those underwhelmed by Rogue One then, and one of my main grips was the amount of characters which were "fine on concept" but severly underutilized. So imagine my surprise when a TV Show about a randon character i didn't care about much ends up being one of the highlights in all of Star Wars stories!
@@nicolasriveros943 yeah. I fully agree. I mean, except for being underwhelmed with Rogue One. I absolutely loved Rogue One, and it’s definitely the best of the movies Disney put out at least.
Too bad I wont even pirate because Disney behavior has killed my interest. They feel need to embroil themselves in every controversy possible vs fans. Currently i just watch clone wars/prequels/og while playing old games and EA ones since i got them from the free game periods. Way I see it is even if Andor is good it will just lead to a Boba Fett/Obi-Wan moment. Every win turns into a self own with Disney Star Wars.
@@D4C_Gaming i know it's kinda of a "hot take" to say that about Rogué One lol. Don't get me Wrong , i think it's a fine movie and i like to watch it now and then, but i don't find it the masterpiece as many say it Is.
Andor was boring as hell, I am simply not attached to any of these characters
Personally, I don’t think the amount of content is the problem, but more the quality of said content. With Kenobi and Boba Fett being shows that were mostly mediocre with a few, small, standout moments and the Bad Batch was a good show with a relatively underwhelming finale and a little too much filler, I was kind of beginning to care much less. Andor showed me that Star Wars can have shows that are written well and actually really good additions to Star Wars, and knowing that Mando 3, Bad Batch 2, and Ahsoka are all coming out next year fills me with hope that it can get better and be great. I have faith in Dave Filoni and even Favreau and I truly believe that it’s all up from here.
He made the point that trying to make lots of stuff at the same time will decrease it’s quality. So the amount of content is probably correlated with its quality.
@@Alex-02 no, he made the point that having the same special thing over and over again diminishes how special it is. The issue is that Disney Star Wars wasn’t special to begin with, their first moves were to cancel Clone Wars, cancel a bunch of upcoming games like Star Wars 1313, and decanonize everything, after that they released the Sloppily written Aftermath trilogy of books, then TFA which seemed solely reliant on nostalgia pandering (South Park later coining the term “Member berries” to refer to this, which I still see used quite a bit), and the rest of the sequel trilogy played out like a child in a divorce case being tugged in two different directions by adoptive parents (JJ and Rian) who both seemingly only wanted to use the child to spite the other parent.
Disney picked quantity over quality
respectfully i made both of these points. you just didn’t watch the full thing before commenting about the full thing
you can make a ton of content but the problem is there is no care for story telling or the story period. so it doesnt matter if disney does more or less. they do not care if they make good or bad starwars they just want to sell their politics. clearly if storytelling and finance made an impact we have had better movies comics and story from day one and the eu would not have been been called legends...
You are very forgiving of the level of quality in the plot and character development that Disney is putting out in these shows and movies. More power to you, but Its hard for me to watch these projects without a lingering feeling of dissappointment at what could have been.
Honestly I'd rather only get a trilogy once every decade, but then make it good dammit.
Not the "Mickey's Once Upon A Christmas" comparison 😂 Great video my friend!
As a lifelong Star Wars fan in my 40's, it's actually very reassuring to hear that younger fans feel the same way.
The last few minutes of this essay really nails the essence of what being a SW fan is.. at least for me. I've always cherished this Galaxy, while at the same time, CONSTRUCTIVELY CRITIQUED the shows and movies that were lacking.
Andor is something special and has raised the bar. I truly hope that Andor won't end up being alone in that category.
Great video man! I decided to subscribe and will look for more content from you in the future. 🙏
Incredible video bro, you pretty much perfectly summed up the timeline of the early Canon days to now. I felt exactly the same for almost all of the these events as you did😂😂 The hype pre-TLJ was absolutely monstrous, primarily fuelled by snoke theories and Rey's parents theories haha. I hope we can get back there one day... Mando got close for a small amount of time
I say 1 live action show, 1 animated show, and 1 movie a year. Take the time, make them good. The video game related releases are less of a concern because people consume them at a different pace and much less accessible. As you said, new characters and stories that aren’t reliant on The Things We Know and put writing a great story over spectacle.
But on the video games
Force EA to make single player games fallen order only existed to get back into our good books they cannot be relied to make more when skinner boxes are available
>Take the time
>1 live action show, 1 animated show and 1 movie a *year*
Come on now.
@@ShredderPeek it’s just my personal recommendation 🤷🏻♂️ So many of these projects have come across feeling rushed (especially when you read about what the SFX houses are dealing with) and the series (animated and live action) could maybe be more than 6-8 episodes with a more cogent story rather than just a repurposed/lengthened movie concept. 12 regular episodes on a weekly release is 3 months of content. 24 episodes (animated) is 6 months. Shit, we used to get one movie every few years and be super excited and happy about it. It’s not like people will forget about Star Wars if they have to wait a few months
@@jmurray1110 I’m not as familiar with the logistics of the game production and release, but that seems reasonable to me 🤷🏻♂️. I’d be interested in them doing an MMORPG again at some point (as long as it’s good of course)
@@deanthemachine8879 EA like other game studios actively refuse to make single player games anymore because they can’t as easily force in gambling mechanics and a technique of putting new players in with P2P players with cosmetics to make they look more appealing and as such increases the likelihood of the player buying them
Yeah I’m OK with a MMORPG but given KOTOR is still getting updated I doubt they will make a new one soon (also if it’s EA that’s not happening they would release a “live service” game with a $70 entry fee and additional purchases that would make the, more money in the short term)
The wildest thing about the sequel movies in my opinion is that episodes 8 and 9 were clear letdowns for many fans, but episode 7 was at least carried by the theories and promises of mysteries to be solved. When 8 and 9 came out, they somehow managed to not only be bad themselves, but also ruin a movie that had already come out.
You have to be the most wholesome and kind star wars fan out there. You see something positive in absolutely everything
thank you!! i appreciate that so much. I may not like everything, but I do always try to be as positive as I can about everything!
@@AustinSWE3 That's important, and why I love this channel.
I feel like the concept of "franchise fatigue" is a myth. I don't think the frequency of projects has anything to do with how they are received. Since early in Disney Star Wars people have been people complaining about getting a couple of hours Star Wars content a year, saying that it's too much, and it makes no sense to me because at the same time people were eating up about 5 times as much content in hours of Game of Thrones per year without ever complaining that there was too much of it. And when Game of Thrones did fall in its final season, it wasn't because people were tired of the show, it was because the last season was just bad.
With any myth there is a potential for there to be a kernel of truth to it, and with franchise fatigue that kernel is that if there is a lot of content, there is just more of a chance for there to be bad content and that bad content has a chance of turning people off from future content. But that said, I don't think the relationship between content frequency and bad content is causal, it's just correlational. As with many great TV shows like Game of Thrones (minus final season), Breaking Bad, or even old great shows with 20+ episodes per season like Buffy or TNG, or even as the MCU has shown us for the majority of its existence, people are perfectly capable of enjoying copious amounts content from a single franchise in a single year.
The real problem with Disney Star Wars is the same problem the DCEU had: they went into it wanting what the MCU had without wanting to putting in the work to build up to it the way the MCU did it. As you pointed out, they announced several projects like how Marvel does, but many of those announcements were paper facades with no actual projects fleshed out behind them. The problem is a lack of planning and communication behind the scenes.
I don't think you can compare releasing a season of a TV show a year to multiple movies and TV shows a year
It's not a myth bcz a franchise needs to hit a high and then end. If they keep pumping out sub par products, bcz those releases won't be able to reach that high, that's when the fatigue sets in. That's what happened to the mcu.
2:29 despite how good Rogue One was, almost everyone could agree that this isn’t true. Nobody really cares about the characters
Maybe, but I think there's some promise in a few, even if they're not as compelling as others.
On one hand, I see that Disney is trying to fill in the gaps and connect all the characters within certain time periods that have been covered already. On the other hand, why can’t we just see how the First Order rose to power again, since that part hasn’t been covered at all
I agree with you on that, I think why they aren’t covering that portion is because they’re scared of pushing out any other sequel content because of how that trilogy was received by audiences, so they’re trying to win them back with nostalgia and cameos
This is a good point, but my take is that the sequel trilogy is something of a poisoned chalice. A great idea stemming from a divisive set of movies
Well, Mandalorian and BOBF (and Ahsoka if I'm not mistaken) are set in the sequel era, so we could get info from Mando Season 3 and future seasons of Boba and Ahsoka about the First Order's level of status
Who cares about the first oder an Disney's shit wars?
@@higuysitseli I doubt it. The sequels actually did get pretty good reviews, not to mention huge box offices. They already have done a few sequel stuff such as the resistance show, and some Lego specials. I do wish we had some more though
This oversaturation of Star Wars content currently I think is because of Disney. As the same patterns are seen in marvel and it’s content. Disney are going for quantity rather than quality with their two largest IPs. This is coming at the cost of the fans. There is no time to sit and think and discuss shows because Disney needs to keep you subscribed to Disney +, by flooding you with content from your favourite brands all the time. And I fear this is going to have a massive impact on these fandoms in the future as they will just get burnt out with so much all the time that they just leave.
Enjoyed this video. For me I enjoyed most of these projects. Trying to stay positive. Super hyped for AHSOKA
I don't buy this exaustion BS, people are never tired of GOOD CONTENT. The same anime can keep going for decades and their fanbases are always there, If the content is good you can do It as much as you want with minimal consequences.
People always get tired of good content. It actually HAPPENS ALOT. I haven’t seen many people Who don’t get exhausted of the same content from a franchise no matter how good it really is. I don’t know how you’re not buying this when it’s a very common occurrence, but whatever.
I mean. People can get sick of anything, especially things they love, and ESPECIALLY if they’re met with disappointment from franchises they love.
I’ll binge shows or games, but at some point I need a break.
I have some small disagreements about Bad Batch. Like sure, it didn't focus on Echo and Tech, but upon a couple rewatches I forgave it. We get a lot of mileage out of the characters we see. Spoilers for season 2: it opens with some Tech/Echo centric episodes. Very much adapting to critiques on the first season. Echo comes across as the grumpy guy he was made out to be in an interview with DBB. Both are still the same character, but I got more out of it
No, Disney is not making too much Star Wars content. They are actually making way too little Star Wars content.
They are making a lot of garbage, but not much actual Star Wars content!
I love clicking on a star wars video and the first words being about Mickey's Once Upon A Christmas I'm laughing so hard rn
The second that you brought up the Mickey Mouse Christmas Special, I knew exactly where you were going with it. Such a clever connection to make.
Great video! Another factor of Solo failing was that geek cinema was riding high off the back of Infinity War and Deadpool 2. We were tired
lol last jedi left no room for speculation
every single mystery force awakens set up was intentionally given a rushed, unsatisfying answer, and it didn't leave any path forward for a sequel.
is it any wonder rise of skywalker turned out the way it did?
this was so well put together, thank you 🫶🏼😚
Thank you so much!!
While I agree with your point about mando s2 being somewhat reliant on fan service, you have to admit how effective some of its story beats were. I still flinch seeing the razor crest destroyed and din saying goodbye to grogu was the first scene to ever make me cry.
You encapsulated most of my thoughts in to this essay! i really liked it!
And i do agree with most of your points, it really was heartbreaking for me, when Book of Boba Fett a show that in my opinion was doing something new and refreshing with the character suddenly became this fan service fiesta because Lucasfilm/disney was probably afraid of backlash they would received from the fans if they tried making something slightly out of expectations.
This is what made Andor so friking great! It wasn't afraid to take risks and tell us a story about new characters without any fanservice!
I hope they continue this route.
I was born in 1986, and I would say that the best time to be a SW fan throughout my lifetime was between the release of Episode 2 and Episode 3. The hype was UNREAL. It felt like the whole world was on edge waiting to see Anakin finally becoming Darth Vader. It's interesting actually how LITTLE the poor reception to Episode 1 and 2 did to kill the hype for Episode 3. That's one big difference between the prequel and sequel trilogy. With the sequels, peoples disapointment in the first two movies (aspecially the second one) pretty much killed the hype for the final movie of the trilogy. But with the sequels, even though most people agreed that the first two movies were kinda bad (just HOW bad was a point of contention) people STILL were hyped as fuck for episode 3. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that in the late 90's/early 00's (in fact all the way up to Disney buying SW) SW had this aura of being something more than just movies. New SW movies was as if new chapters of an actuall mythology was being revelaed. And even in cases where the chapter kinda sucked, it was still part of that mythology. SW had an aura of significance to it that is hard to put into words. And then of course, regarding the hype for Ep 3, there is no denying that a lot of it had to do with the fact that we essentially KNEW what was going to happen; we were gonna see Anakin become Vader. Even people with a mere passing interest in SW was hyped for that shit. Even talkshow hosts and other people in media who didn't seem like especially "nerdy" guys seemed to talk about the upcoming final episode of SW with GENUINE excitement, not the kind of phony exceitement that they always have to show towards new products. Personally, I had a teacher who was in his 60's at that point who didn't seem like a nerd of any stretch but who in he weeks leading up to the shows premiere talked with us students about how he coudln't wait to see Anakins transition to Vader. And among those of us that actually WERE nerds... oh God, the hype cannot be put into words. It just cannot. We spent so much of our lives discussing that upcoming movie in the years between that and Ep 2. I remember one thread on a forum that asked the genuine question "What will you spend your time with once the movie is out and over?", as in, what the hell will we do to fill the void left when we know that there are no more upcoming Star Wars movies to speculate about?
Indeed, I don't want to sound like an old "Kids these days could never understand" guy but... At the very least I can say that as hyped as people were for that very first Disney SW movie, it pails in comparasion to the Ep 3 hype, as well as the Ep 1 and 2 hype. Someone older than me will have to tell me how the prequel era hype stakcs up to the OT hype.
I have to say that my love for this franchise never stopped existing. Since forever it has excellent works and some works that are terrible. I lived to see Rise of Skywalker in a almost empty theater on opening week. Like it's STAR WARS, and no one was talking about it besides how bad it was. But nowadays we are so pumped to see Andor season 2, or Mando season 3 and, of course, Jedi Survivor. Star Wars isn't just a product and a movie series, it's the universe, the characters we love, that exist in film, television, books, games, comics, etc and those may or may not be good.
The loss of fan trust was the biggest problem. I know I'm not the only one who doesn't want Disney to touch characters we love after what happened in the sequels.
You managed to sum up the past years pretty well!
On the one hand, I'm happy that Kenobi & tBoBF didn't manage to ruin my enjoyment of Star Wars as a whole but on the other hand, it's spooky how much I don't care about these...
Congrats on such a great first video Essay!
It was marketing hype, TFA was absolute shite. It was a derivative reskin of ANewHope.
“now i am someone who genuinely likes the last jdei”
me: *exits video*
“opinion rejected”
oh no you rejected my opinion!! what ever will i do knowing i don't have tannerhardwick3131's approval!!!!! i am DOOMED
Lost me at I'm someone who genuinely loved The Last Jedi
Don't worry fans.. It's not the shit quality of this franchise.. it's just "fatigue".…
now tell us why i said there’s fatigue 💀
@@AustinSWE3 Kennedyfilm PR desperately trying to explain why people will watch 4 Marvel movies in a year but Star Wars lost half its audience with each movie.
Having a 10 year exclusive EA game deal was one of the worst decisions they ever made obi wan not being a high budget movie with an actual passionate writer was another dumb decision solo would’ve been better as a tv show and book of boba not making boba a mysterious badass was a horrendous decision so glad Kathy K is finally leaving and that we still have Dave dropping consistent bangers
Brilliant video! Love your way of structuring topics
Glad you liked it!
Star Wars hype... I was born in November of 76' and my parents took me to see A New Hope at 6 moths old! I have literally lived off this franchise and you'd be quite surprised at the level of info my 73 year old mom knows! Plus I have 9 Star Wars tattoos.
This video was a great way to sum up my view on the franchise. I'd disagree with a few statements about the sequel trilogy, but we're all open to our opinions, and what you said certainly makes s valid point.
Also this was the most accurate criticism on BoBF ever.
The Second Movie was even worse, and TLJ was even worse still. Disney turned a billion dollar franchise into worthless garbage.
I think that the hype of mandalorian would have been fine if the obi wan series was a movie. Meaning they could buy much more time to make after the book of boba fett. At that point it would have been probably a year when the book of boba would have released (minimum 6 months after the obi movie) and so the basically mandalorian episodes would still pay off because we would have waited for more time. Since Andor is notas heavy star wars as both boba and obi wan it could have been released at the same time, and then it would lead to the Ashoka and Mando series to be released in 2023, the other series should be release in 2024, otherwise it's really too much starwars to actually enjoy
Try as you might, the sequels were varying degrees of bad. The force awakens being the least bad, and the rise of Skywalker, being the absolute worst.
When I was younger, I used to love Star Wars, but tbh Disney truly killed it for me. I've stopped watching the shows, and I just can't bring myself to accept some of the changes they've made to the franchise. It's a damn shame too because with proper direction and the resources Disney has, Star Wars should be better than ever. It just seems like the higher-ups/designers are afraid of taking risks or straying too far from established material (unless ofc it's Legends in which case they just threw out decades of established material because why not)
I made my previous comment before finishing the video (my point still stands there, Bad Batch is great). However, I didn't realize how few subs you have. You have very interesting takes and opinions I'd love to see expanded upon. I look forward to seeing where you go in the future, I'll be sticking around for that. Especially with the quality presented here. May the force be with you.
Gave you a thumbs up for being articulate and thoughtful in your commentary. I was born in 1975 and grew up with the original theatrical releases, owned all the SW toys I could convince my parents to buy for me (and I've even kept a few for nostalgia purposes), devoured many of the SW novels and gladly introduced my son to the SW franchise back in 2018. Shows like SW inspired me to become a writer (the first book of my first trilogy begins releasing in March 2023). As such, I can't look at shows without that critical writer's eye anymore. I appreciate that people have different tastes and I'm actually jealous that you were able to enjoy TLJ, Solo and RoS. I left TLJ thinking it was okay, but as I digested it more, I came to understand better why I didn't like it, why I found Solo boring and why RoS was absolutely forgettable for me. I'm not here to rehash those reasons since there are a bajillion channels out there who've done it. The Mandalorian came along and I felt for the first time that I was truly watching SW again. It wasn't perfect, but I could finally root for the heroes again. I was eager to see more. Unfortunately, when Disney went down the dark path and fired Gina Carano, it killed my hope for the franchise and put a sour taste in my mouth for anything associated with the Disney brand. I hear nothing but good things about Andor, but Disney's misbehavior and mismanagement of its IPs has lost me as a customer. I look at it all now and think, "What a wasted opportunity."
Edit: TL;DR: Hype gone, big sad.
It's so sad that having been a Star Wars fan for most of my life, someone who loved the originals, the Prequels (maybe not Attack of the Clones so much, but at least it had the magnificent Christopher Lee,) and even the Force Awakens, to feel such utter apathy nowadays toward a series I once loved. In the days leading up to the release of The Force Awakens, I couldn't sleep, could barely sit still. And when I did manage to sleep, I _dreamed_ about going to see that movie. I strategically planned how I would get tickets, where I would get tickets, and when I would get tickets. I brought out my old lightsabers for fights with my little brother. I binged all of the movies back to back several times. I played through the KOTOR games again (still the best pieces of Star Wars media ever created, fight me.) My friends were excited. My _teachers_ were excited. My mom, my uncles, my aunts, my cousins were excited. Star Wars fever was off the friggin' scale.
And then the movie came out... and I _loved_ it. I thought the characters were interesting. I dug the fun, frantic energy of the action set pieces and dialogue. And of course the movie was a sight to behold on the big screen. I walked out of that theater feeling like I was on top of the world. And for a good while, most of my acquaintances seemed to feel more or less the same. Even those who didn't care for the movie or found it too derivative of the original trilogy agreed that the vibe of the movie and everything surrounding it reinvigorated their love for Star Wars.
And when Rogue One hit the next year, even those people were completely on board. Rogue One is an objective masterpiece that blends everything great about Star Wars into a single film, and yet was like nothing the film series had even approached before. I was sick the night I went to go see it theaters, but I kid you not, the minute Darth Vader appeared at the end of that hallway, illuminated by the ominous red glow of his lightsaber, my cold was like "okay, I'm out!" Rogue One, for one last, glorious moment, seemed to unite the entire fanbase and convinced me that Star Wars was back and here to stay.
But nothing could have prepared me for what happened next.
My family and I narrowly squeeze into the last few seats available in our local cinema, surrounded by hundreds of warm bodies; I swear I could smell the sweat. Half of our town had turned up for The Last Jedi, it seemed, and the other half were probably packed in just as tightly at our other theater. And so, we watch The Last Jedi.
And... nothing.
There is no energy. There is no excitement. There's not even disgust, at least not yet. Everybody just sits there and watches, then leaves.
I leave too. I lay there in my bed that night thinking, " I just saw the newest Star Wars movie. So why do I feel so... indifferent? No, I must have just missed something. I missed the part where the magic clicks. I just missed that." So I go and watch it again with my friends the next week, thinking, "okay. This time I'll really digest it and the excitement will be there for sure!" So I watch it again. And once again, something is just off. My friends and I head to Sonic afterward and discuss the film, at which point it dawns on me that I just didn't like it. I didn't think it was terrible, I just didn't care for the movie's whole flavor. But I was like, you know what? That's fine. Not everybody has to like every single installment in a series.
So I get on the internet the next morning and everybody's still kinda trying to figure out how to feel about this movie. Some love it, some hate it, others are just indifferent. Opinions are all over the place.
Practically the next day, the conversation shifts, and everybody absolutely _hates_ this movie. If I didn't know any better, I'd say this movie had committed some sort of crime. People were acting like it broke into their house in the middle of the night and killed their dog! I didn't like it either, but I was completely shocked by the reception it was garnering.
And after this, things were just never the same. Solo came out. Got ignored. Episode IX came and went. Most people hated it, some people were fine with it (me). But the general feeling was "whatever." Gone was that ethereal sense of wonder and childlike fancy that enraptured us all at the beginning. And while some have been able to recapture that through stuff like The Mandalorian and Andor, I just haven't. I loved The Clone Wars season 7, but I mean come on, it was The Clone Wars. How was I not supposed to get excited about that? I also liked the Bad Batch, but that's also just more Clone Wars. It's comfy. It's safe. It's a relic of the time before. Before the dark times.
The Last Jedi wasn't the worst movie ever made, but it was a movie I could care less about. And that is far worse. Because I could care less about everything else now, too.
as a new star wars fan who has consumed most but not all of its visual content, this was incredibly cool to see. it's so interesting to see fan dialogue around the release of modern SW. unfortunately i hadn't seen rogue one and this video spoiled the ending for me, but it's absolutely my fault for watching something like this to begin with. anyway, this was engaging from start to finish and i loved it
I read something that said: when we form these theories and they don’t end up coming true, it can also shift our views/opinions about for example: the last Jedi.
This video was put together very well. You should have more subs
TLJ is still the best star wars movie. God forbid anybody ever try to inject beautiful character work and interesting themes to move the franchise forward in one of these again. Everybody who revolted is responsible for the rise of Skywalker and the state of the ip now. I don't hold strong opinions about the people who just disliked the movie and moved on, but for the people who bullied the cast, whined about how it killed their childhood, etc, Disney clamped down on episode IX because of you
The fatigue isn't too much Star Wars, it's consistently bad Star Wars. The average person doesn't resonate with Dave Filoni's headcanon; they resonate with a good story.
The reason it's become exciting again is because Andor has genuinely good writing and can stand on its own, whereas the other shows rely on MCU-style tie-ins, spectacle, and digital canvasing to maintain seasonal releases.
Even for people like me who were completely burnt with Disney garbage years ago, a quality show like Andor is enough to get excited again.
You're not suddenly getting thousands of views because people are burnt out on Star Wars, but because this is the first production since 2016 that appeals to a wider audience.
Very good video man really liked it :)
It's understandable that you have a lot to say in your first video essay, and it's great that you're passionate about the topic. However, I suggest renaming the video to "Star Wars since Rise of Skywalker" as it focuses more on that specific aspect than the overall hype. While your in-depth analysis of certain series is interesting, it may be better to separate those discussions into their own videos, such as your thoughts on the Mandalorian and fan service. I did notice a shift in your tone when discussing the dropped series, and it's clear that Star Wars holds a special place in your heart. It's important to remember that decisions in the franchise are often financially-driven, and as fans, we can only hope for the best. Overall, keep up the great work and continue to bring a unique perspective to your presentations.
finaly...someone who made a good Star Wars Essay. i am so tired of people crying and crying and crying over the sequels. and yeah. I LOVE THEM ALSO!
This cameo mania is WHY Marvel Comics was close to bankruptcy before the MCU took off imho. You wouldn't have strong individual stories for each superhero but rather an endless chain of pointless crossovers. Ms Marvel would have a meandering issue and then at the end, Spider-Man shows up. Big whole page spread of just Spider-Man showing up. And you don't CARE because over in his own comic it is also, meandering plot and then Iron-Man shows up. Substituting good stories for rememberries. Not to mention, whatever plot's left becomes even more difficult to follow because you need to keep buying like 3 different comics to keep up and no non-diehard will do that.
I went into the last Jedi wanting to love it. I was beyond excited for 2 years. In the theater I just kept feeling weird like certain things felt off. Leaving the theater I just was so torn because I wanted to love it and I just didn’t. I was turned off Star Wars for 2 years even after I enjoyed solo. I really didn’t care about anything Star Wars related till a while after mando came out and my family had all wanted to watch it together.
This was a very well put together essay. There are some points where I disagree with you though.
Mainly, the fact that it's thought fatigue for the franchise is to blame is not entirely correct in my opinion.
If you take the early MCU in 2008 with Iron Man and every release since, you could say that we'd get franchise fatigue at some point but people loved it so much that they didn't realize 10 years passed since.
If the story was convoluted, forced and overall bad like in modern movies and TV, people would have walked out from the MCU too.
The only way to prevent franchise fatigue is good storytelling.
On the day I saw ‘Solo’ my family went home that night and a horrible fight ensued, and that unrelated incident has tarnished Solo for me, since then I haven’t been able to watch it.
We should have more games than shows in my opinion
i miss getting more games!
I think if Disney had gone with Colin Trevorrow's sequel it would have elevated the Last Jedi. Instead of building on Episode VIII, though, Disney panicked and spent half of Rise of Skywalker "course correcting."
Regardless, I have enjoyed all the Star Wars movies. I'm hoping we get a new movie eventually.
I don't think Colin's script necessarily built on The Last Jedi, it was it's own thing like Rogue One
U: "Thank you for listening to my first video essay"
Me and other ppl who like well thought out more sirious content: "This is the way"
I think what makes Andor different is that it has the similar production positivities of The Mandalorian. There is an actual plan to complete the story and allowing different episodes to be present for multiple seasons. From what I see in the pattern for TBOBF and Kenobi, there is nothing in that series that allow people to breathe in what is going on. Instead, there is a rushed story people have to pay attention to. TBOBF was more frustrating to me because they had potential in exploring Boba's reign in Tatooine, but instead by the end of the show, it's like those experiences meant nothing to Boba or Fennec. All Boba did was sit around, demand credits, and get pushed around. That's not respectful bruh
What do you think the end of the Mandalorian looks like? I never felt there was a story. Just side quests, nostalgia and filler
Andor had more time to write its story, Mando S1 was just a contrived, convoluted mess that’s writing was all over the place, lacking any consistency. Mando S2 was just the same accept it tried to hide its failures with Cameo after Cameo. The Luke scene solidified it.
I feel like the main issue with Disney lucasfilm is the lack of direction and vision. Personally I can’t wait for Kathleen Kennedy to be gone and Jon favreau, Dave filoni and Ron Howard all sound like excellent candidates.
Edit: I’ve always found the people who like the last Jedi really toxic. I’ve met people who like it and aren’t but this is the first video and I just need to say how I appreciate you encouraging actual conversation.
I feel like on of the big problems is nothing is Stand Alone. The Mandalorian makes sense if you haven't seen any other Star Wars stuff. The Book of Boba Fett doesn't.
I don't know why people insist that the force awakens was a good film or even an okay film. It didn't reunite Luke, Han, Leia. The storytelling is x10 worst than the legends version of events. On top of all that they tried to remake a new hope with the "starkiller" base. It was lazy and contrived from day 1 and it will never be anything close to the original 6 movies or any EU content even the bad ones like Palpatine coming back the dead in Dark Empire.
17:30 - "Oh no way is that really Luke?"
17:40 - "Oh... No way... IS that really Luke?"
(Like seriously I was 100% on board for Luke appearing in The Mandalorian, and I still am, but when I saw it I wasn't sure if it was a botched de-aging of Mark Hamill or if they'd cast someone else entirely.)
I know right!? Glad they got it fixed though now it makes me wonder how much more exciting that scene would be if the effect was on BOBF level?
i’ll never forget that force awakens cliffhanger 😭
yeah literally a cliffhanger 🤣
You know how cool it would be, if the Ashoka show covered thrawn bringing together the imperial remnant and birthing the first order
That would be interesting but with how Disney Star Wars has handled such concepts, it’ll be probably be some shite.
I got really burned out by Star Wars AND Marvel. Many of the projects felt really mediocre, especially Marvel post-Infinity War. But unlike a lot of comments here, Andor didn't revive me. It didn't live up to the expectations the internet set. I think the characters were great and the story had a lot of potential, but the ORDER of the plotting was really poorly done. I could probably write an essay as to why I think the plotting in Andor weakened the story, but the long short of it is that it's meant to explore the themes of the difficulties in rebellion as well as why a rebellion starts in the first place, which is meant to be shown through Cassian's perspective. But because he goes to Aldhani first, we never actually see his growth towards the rebellion in the way the themes want to present. Instead, it feels like a major back and forth where the ending is Cassian's regret and wish for death instead of a motivation to join the rebellion for good. Basically, all the arcs are fine, they are just out of order. With a bit of plot rehashing, it should have been: Harassed by Guards > Prison > Home with hints of rebellion and the Empire occupying > Luthen and Aldhani > Home again with even more occupation > Escape.
Just the mention of many of these shows/movies reminds me of the hole in me where my love for SW once was, I hope I can one day feel "hyped" for new SW again.
Your video certainly reminded me that the 2014-early 2017 era of SW fandom remains unmatched.
I think this is less content overload and more just not having quality content.
There was a massive myth a few years ago where people would say that Star wars fans always hate new Star wars content no matter what, like the prequels, clone wars, sequels but it turns out all those people were proven wrong when the mandalorian came out it turns out that everyone complaining about Star wars fans was wrong turns out the ones who weren't sycophantic fanboys hated things that were poor quality just like any other person.
Star Wars burnout wouldn't be a thing if the movies were good
Yes it would still be a thing if the movies were good. Stop making up stuff.
I felt betrayed and lied to when Tales of the Jedi was revealed to not be about the fight of the light side and the dark side on the context of the old republic, starting 5000 years before the movies…
Let’s be real as a die hard star wars fan, these are stories about people in a galaxy far far away who zip around space instantly and fight each other with laser swords, blasters and space magic. Some of the star wars stories aren’t as good or well developed as others but at the end of the day if you look at them like the whimsical adventures they are meant to be it helps you keep the love
I think Last Jedi changed things because that was the moment we all realized there isn’t a plan. This isn’t parts of a whole, it’s filling in blanks without looking at what’s ahead. At least Marvel has a plan, probably…I assume…hope.
0:40 Sounds like the plot of the movie "Groundhog day", with Bill Murray
The biggest problem with star wars is that so much of it is lacklustre. And that lacklustre performance hurts the good stuff, like Andor.
All the new trilogy wastes the talents of the new actors. They can all act but they were given shit
Disney when some star wars products aren't doing well: Alright we need to cut back on the star wars stuff
Disney when one star wars show or movie is well received (Mandolorian/Andor) : Alright star wars star wars star wars let's start pushing out products
And thus the cycle begins anew
Rogue One and Solo were great. I really didn't like the sequels, that's what killed all the hype for Star Wars for me.
Not really. The newer films objectively mock the hero journey motif that was the basis of the plot in the first sequal series (iV, V and VI). Hollywood has forgotten how to tell a story. These films are a poor attempt to preserve the culture, which is the point of these films. New producers and writers look like they are actively trying to replace the "old" with something "new" and failing miserably.
The Last Jedi showed me just how layered, thematically rich, and amazing Star Wars could be. Then came Mando S2. I thought it was awful and that's when I checked out. I'm so glad I came back for Andor. It really renewed my faith in this franchise. Also shout out to Star Wars Visions for being the best animated SW thing to date. Can't wait for Visions 2.
How do you interpret Rian Johnson's recent statement that he wanted The Last Jedi to serve as a "viking funeral" for the franchise?
Excellent video essay!
The worst thing about Disney's total market saturation is that they're aware they're doing it. They're not some new inexperienced studio that's just too excited about their smash hit series, Disney is probably the best example of scarcity increasing demand in media with the Disney Vault. They're just intentionally bleeding these classic IPs dry until it's just another part of the surface level noise that people make art to get away from.
The best possible spin of this is that DIsney is just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks, and it's pretty unanimous that smaller stories with new, complex characters are what people get excited about in Star Wars, so hopefully they'll take that and run with it. My fondest memories of the property are the books, comics, and games of the late '90s and early '00s, so maybe we'll get another "extended universe" renaissance. Not holding my breath though!
one thing i really don't like is the overlapping. this will lead a lot of people to fatigue or missing good shows
I miss those time's when Star wars came back from 2015 up until 2016 and coming up with my own theories,But watching Solo and Rise Of Skywalker killed the love and excitement of Star Wars for me....Even with the Mandalorian and The Clone Wars season 7 the hype for Star Wars is dead for most of the fandom and will probably stay dead,It's like what Kilo Ren said"let the past die kill it if you have to,And Disney certainly did that
It personally took me four years after the release of Rise of Skywalker to get back into Star Wars. I did watch the first season of Mando, but it was nowhere near enough for me, the burnout was intense. It wasn't until Andor that I finally got back into the star wars groove
Rise of Skywalker came out just over 3 years ago...
Personally, when Star Wars content brings back pre-existing characters in a new show/movie, the main criteria that I have is "Does it make sense for this character to appear here?" With characters like Bo-Katan, Ahsoka, Boba Fett, and Luke in Mando Season 2 I think it does. They tie into the overarching story/goal of the season which is to find Mandalorians and Jedi which makes sense as to why Mando would seek out/cross paths with them, and it makes sense for Bo-Katan to point Mando in the direction of Ahsoka considering their past. I'd even argue that Cad Bane's appearance in Book of Boba Fett also makes sense due to the history between the two (although it wasn't handled nearly as well as it should have been).
I can agree with this! Especially bc thinking about it, a lot of the ones I don’t like don’t really make sense to the story, like Luke and Ahsoka being in a Boba Fett series
Exactly. The fan service in mando season 2 is in my opinion make sense. mando and grogu want to find more mandos and jedis so it make sense for them to came across those characters.
No way home is another work where the fanservice make perfect sense in my opinion. The original characters returning not just for the sake of fanservice but also to enhance Tom story as spiderman.
Ashoka and Luke appearing in book of boba fett make no sense and a very blatant and shameless fanservice cause their stories are not tied to boba fett journey in ANY way.
@@johans3164 Yeah. Book of Boba Fett's Luke and Ahsoka appearances are an interesting case for me, because on one hand it makes sense for Mando to encounter them again since he's specifically seeking out Grogu, but it in no way ties into the main Boba storyline and instead hijacks the show for an episode.
The Mandalore Season 3 trailer just dropped, everything built in Andor was immedietly dropped to the floor. It's all nostalgia, it's all "WOW LOOK AT THAT THING I KNOW!". The comments on that video are overwhelmingly positive. It gives me really bad feelings that Andor was simply a black sheep and Lucasfilm is going back to what pumps out money rather than what gives good content.
im a super casual star wars fan. i think the plot trilogy should have centered more around rey and finn, with finn actually being force sensitive just like rey, maybe not as good in the beginning, but power creeps in the later episodes… then they have a kid and that kid becomes 1 of the best force users in the galaxy
Regarding the cliffhanger claim--The Empire Strikes Back ended with Han in carbonite, Luke just finding out Vader was his father, the rebels almost defeated. My cousin told me how it was to wait three years to find out what happened. It wasn't nearly on the scale of The Force Awakens' ending.
I loved mickeys once upon a Christmas as a kid (and the Heuwy Dewey snd Louie short was my favorite short) so I enjoyed that opening illustration! 👍
I dunno, growing up with Star Wars prequel following Star Wars content feels…nature, like breathing. Ever since the Mando miniverse launched it’s somehow stressful just to keep up. Til the point I dropped the series as a whole entirely. It’s unthinkable to my teen-self that I will one day give up on Star Wars, but it did happened. It’s just too much for me right now
The Palpatine laugh in the Rise of Skywalker trailer... honestly, it was my last straw. I didn't get excited when I heard it, instead I saw through the facade; I saw it for what it was: backpedaling. I saw, in that moment, that Disney was scared, frantic, and trying really hard to course correct because of The Last Jedi. It told me, in that moment, that they did not know what they were doing. And I started crying, because, in my mind and in my heart, for me, that was the day Star Wars died.
8:30 (Solo would have done better if it weren't released only 5 months after Last Jedi)
That sounds like making excuses to me. 5 months is a decent chunk of time, and while "Last Jedi" and "Solo" are part of the same overall storyline they're not very closely connected. The only character in both stories is Chewbacca. It's analogous to "Ant Man" coming out 2 months after "Age of Ultron". The difference, if we're looking at this in terms of context relative to the preceding films is "Age of Ultron" was generally well-received, "The Last Jedi" less so.
I kind of look at this whole Star Wars situation a little differently, personally: I don't think it's good necessarily that a lot of the recent Star Wars productions have felt a bit shoddy or poorly thought out... But I do think it's good that the style of production they're pursuing allows for shows that maybe aren't going to do so well. Because they're (seemingly) not operating under an expectation or demand that *every* new work they produce be a fan-favorite, unmitigated critical and commercial success, they have latitude to try different things. They can experiment, they can throw things at the wall and see what sticks. That results in a lot of forgettable schlock but it is that process that yields them the occasional gem, the "Mandalorian"s, the "Andor"s. The original Star Wars was kind of an experiment, too. A mostly played-straight, morally unambiguous space opera, a new take on Buck Rodgers in a period where cinematic sci-fi was (I think) still largely defined by 2001: A Space Odyssey and later films like Silent Running or Logan's Run.
There's a lot of potential to tell different stories in the framework of "Star Wars", and in terms of the movies they haven't really explored that potential all that much. The kind of relationship and expectations a lot of us developed around Star Wars, like the expectation that each new iteration was going to be a beloved gem like the way we think about the ones we saw when we were kids... It's not the most realistic or healthy set of expectations. Developing a less-elevated set of expectations is good for us and for the franchise as a whole.
I'm only an extremely casual Star Wars fan but I literally almost cried at the beginning of this video remembering how the Force Awakens hype felt and how much hope and excitement and potential exuded from that film. It's so unspeakably disappointing that it all went to such a waste.
Loved this video but wayyyy too manyyyy ads. I work in a place where I can listen to music and YT videos but cant touch my phone a lot, so that’s my only issue with this. Other than that, great content. Hate the ads 😖
While I agree to some extent that excessive content can wear some fans out, I think the main problem with Star Wars is the quality of its content. The sequels, Obi-Wan Kenobi, TBoBF, and even parts of The Bad Batch were extremely lackluster to say the least. I feel like a lot of fans don’t feel like they have a lot of goodwill left. Which is a bummer because I really enjoyed Andor, but I didn’t tune in until several months after its release.
I get what you mean for sure, and definitely agree. It is just that for me personally, I feel like their biggest issues have been rushing things out. The sequels just HAD to be 2 years apart, even after Episode IX had major issues, they still stuck to that. They didn't come up with a plan cause they just wanted them out there. TBOBF, another project that was worked on for a year. Same with Kenobi, despite a nearly 6 year pre-production. Andor was the only project recently that took over a year to do post-production, and boom, its great. They just never seem to have the time to perfect everything like that, which is why I feel the quantity is a bigger issue than quality, because one effects the other.
The myth of scarcity equaling quality.
If the Star Wars content was good nobody would care about having too much or any of this.
Even if the content was good people would still complain about having too much of this.