Noting the high cost in this campaign, I look forward to a 'should you back it' value analysis (if you're doing one). My instinct tells me a base pledge + apocalypse would be more than enough (and pretty expensive still!)
@@callum5257 from the released information there looks like there are 8 new monsters being added, 5 in base game and 3 stretch goals. With add on monster pack 1 giving you 3 extra, no doubt there will be an add on monster pack 2 during the campaign, but monster variety does seem to be one of the main complaints.
I really do want this game but I feel like I will never have time to play it and I am worried about space when all my other games get to my house. I am in the process of learning middara and that could take me a year to complete the game. When I have nova aetas, stormsunder, hel the last saga, darkest dungeon, iss vanguard and a ton of others come in the mail when will I ever have time to play this game? I only skimmed this video but do you guys think I should pick up the core and the new expansion or skip it?
I kind of agree with you. Setting up Drunagor and having to set up again in the middle of the mission is very hard solo. I am saving it for a group. I find midarra set up mission to mission much faster. When using the Forteller free app to read the story to me while I set up the next mission
Honestly I find it the opposite haha, I Love drunagor solo and I don't really find set up that bothersome, I just have space on the table for all of the pieces in piles so I can get them all easily and quickly
Game still looks nice but the entry point is just too high. Core + SG is obligatory, so 115 $, then you'd want the new stuff with Apocalypse, so + 95 $ = 210 $. Then I hate mixing minis and standees and they said the horsemen will be in at least half the scenarios, and unfortunally they decided to make them stupidly big and pricey, so another 89 $ it is, bringing it up to 299 $. And these 299 $ are just the "bare minimum", from what you hear you'd really want a few expansions for the core game since the monster variety is so lacking. And the hero trays seem like a must-have, too. so add on at least another 50 $ for monster pack #1 and the trays, making it 349 $. Probably it is already worth it to just take the reprint-all-in, too, bringing this bad boy up to ~523,99 $. Not even yet including the inevitible add-ons for the Apocalypse add-on and not getting any cosmetic add-ons, just gameplay. Oh, and on top of that comes shipping, with a package like this and at this time probably another 70 - 80 $ easily. And for me, being EU-based, on this ~600 $ price tag comes another up to 20 % VAT, making it about 720 $ for the gameplay all-in without any yet to come add-ons and cosmetics, like the dice. If you go the "small route" without the base all-in, "just" Core, Apoc, Horsemen, Trays, Monster Pack #1, which is what I'd want at least, that would still be 429 $ + 20 % = ~ 515 $. Suddenly, Stormsunder and Arena/ Tanares seem really cheap in comparison :D So yeah, hard pass on this one. Sure, not really their fault and the game itself looks great (minus the terrain trays, I think they are gimmicky and break immersion more than anything). It's just the unfortunate reality atm that at least for EU-based backers crowd-funding becomes increasingly hard to justify. Covid-prices and VAT-changes may have "cured" my KS-addiction finally. :D
I mean... Getting the horsemen minis isn't necessary at all. You can still play all the bosses, you just have standees instead of minatures. I will definitely not be getting them, since I don't paint minatures so having huge minatures just doesn't interest me at all. And that hero pack definitely wouldn't be necessary either, with just the base game and stretch goals you already have 20+ characters you could play and that's a ton of variability
@@WolfanTerror Well, as I said, I'd really hate having the end bosses of a game I'd have to shell out a few hunded bucks for anyways being standess, especially if everything else is minis. If there was an all standee version for an appropriate price, I'd probably take that, but mixing, especially at this price point and in this genre, really is a no-go for me, so for me the horsemen are mandatory if I get Apoc. But yeah, sure, you can skip that. You'd still be paying ~ 408 $ (115 base, 95 Apoc, 25 monster pack 1, 25 trays, 80 shipping, 20% VAT). And now you got a game where the bosses are standees. For 400 bucks. Without most add-ons. Cool. I mistyped with "hero pack #1", meant "monster pack #1". Though being clear from context anyways, I corrected that, thanks!
@@Tharukan idk, being so obsessed with having minatures for everything seems like a you problem, but eh I'm perfectly happy just getting the expansion without any huge minis I'll only use a few times :P Hope you find another game that's better for you!
@@WolfanTerror Well, like I said, I'd actually be fine with all standees, so you can't really call it "being obsessed with having miniatures for everything", can you? I'd call it "not being fine with spending 400 bucks for an entry level pledge that is a compromise not only in quantity but also in quality". If you are fine with that, you do you. But please don't be so smug about it. Like I said, if you are really fine with card board bosses, that's alright too, reduces the entry point to "just" 400 bucks. My broad point stands, that's way to high of an entry point. Any so called "obsession" with minis has nothing to do with that.
I have the same opinion you do. If I get this game I have to have the 4 horsemen in miniature form. If I go the bare minimum and only get core and apocalypse wit horsemen minis that is still 300 dollars. Then ill be missing the other expansion content and also all the new heros. Im kind of torn on this one because It looks really cool and a ton of fun but I need to keep my spending in check. While it pains me im going to have to pass on this game unless they have the pledge manager open for a long time.
What if you got either ISS Vanguard or Chronicles of Drunagor (the updated Apocalpse version) and were going to get only one game. Which one would you get.
You see the new olympics stretch goals? A poll every day and we get an extra stretch goal of enough people vote! Plus all All-in (every version of an all-in pledge counts) gets entered into a chance to win a mini made of you, you added to the story or you name in the story. That’ll make an extra push for those all-ins and really engages the community, motivating us to come to the page daily!
Is, Darkness, not already spawning, in some scenario of the base game, from the strongest hero? I've the game from the first printing, done 9 to 10 scenarios, and I'm sure this mechanic is already implemented... or maybe I missed something 😅 As far as I remember, there are also spawning rules from specific enemies, like Shadow Cultist... It's not always from the printing marks on the tiles
I have seen comments that the AI of the enemies were very simple in the first version. And that sometimes you could not feel much difference between different enemies. How is that on regular enemies now? And how is the AI on bosses?
@@BoardGameCo cool. Amount of stuff doesn’t bother me since I can leave it setup. I just love dungeon crawlers and this one seems like it could be one of the best.
This is a bit late, but how are you sticking with Stormsunder? The game - if we’re super lucky - won’t even be out till mid to late 2023, snd i would not be shocked to see it slip into 2024
I don't know if I have more time on my hands, but for me personally I never have a set up problem. I always personally set up the game were going to play before everyone shows up. We choose which game were going to play a week in advance. Then the next time we play its all ready. Also when its something like this were it keeps going, we never take it down until its finished or until people tired of it, so I never have trouble of tearing it down inbetween.
Quack says if you don’t like the original this isn’t going to fix it. But he irrationally hopes Nemesis Lockdown will fix what he doesn’t like in Nemesis. Spoiler alert it doesn’t.
With Gloomhaven only about 25% complete, Jaws of the Lion barely touched, Frosthaven backed and arriving in the next few months, Mansions of Madness surface barely scratched and several other games on the shelf begging for table time I'm just not sure if there's time in the day for CoD:A ...I like the idea but I think we need to finish a few of the campaign style games we have already. Unless BoardGameCo can point me to a campaign which adds another 8 hours to a day :)
Woot. This is a really nice story. When this hame out the first time it got very little coverage and board game co did one of the only long videos on it. Now that it was released it’s getting so much press. Great story. Another midarra type success story
I'm absolutly getting this. I really hope the base game gets that story upgrade. Unfortunately I'll prob pass on the minis for the horseman. Which sucks because they look amazing
Very much on the fence but this video has helped to sell me. If they do go back and implement the things from apocalypse back into the core It may very well make me go all in. Passed first time around but those additions would be a huge boon to fix the things I had issue with.
Hahaha!!!! You guys are funny! I Really enjoy how the game was presented by you guys. How you guys complement each other regarding the mechanics. 👊👊👊👏👏👏
I think I'm going to be able to skip this one, but it does look good. One weird thing that turns me off is the 40mm scale minis. Hard to use them side by side with my 28-30mm scale minis in my D&D games. If more board games go to that scale (like Oathbound did), it'll make that much easier for me to save money.
Same big time even more so when you compare it to other games such as WIld Assent, that has more plastic, paper, cardboard also takes into account of those issues. I would love to jump on this since I have had my eye on it for many months now, it just doesnt seem worth it. See this alot with American based campaigns, EU based ones have alot of issues sorted out and addressed but not so much with American ones.
@@yagsipcc287 to be fair to american publishers a fair few of them do take it into account. For example middara, stormsunder wave 1 is vat free so I'm going to all in first wave onwards, wild assent reprint is vat free, many of the smaller games with smaller budgets are also vat free like ludwik labyrinth and so on. Most of the big box games and others I've backed have been vat free. Cmon and drunagor are the main devs from what I can remember in this genre charging vat and not only that the full value of vat.
@@markomarko753 lazy squire games (does Stormsunder and wild assent) they are based in Poland I believe. They are within the EU anyway. Their head guy is an American though. I also have them both backed as well. But yes the two or three bigger American companies seem to not sort things out before rushing to get campaigns out, all while tiny companies do well beforehand in most cases. Funny isn't it 🤣
I wish I was in college/HS and could afford the time to play this. Sadly I probably wouldn’t have been able to afford it. CoD looks great but I don’t think it would ever get time at the game table (nor any other DC) as my group is committed to DnD for the foreseeable future. I wish more DC’s offered cross play with DnD.
I want know and pay attention to the abilities of the enemy and hero in this game, this will be whether I will back the game. I don’t like abilities that are just +/- X movement, damage, evasion, or dice, etc. These abilities are like more CMON games, and they are not sincere in game design. I like ability to have specific performance, similar to middara or even Kdm.
4 Scenarios with branching paths (as an add-on) isn't enough for me with the base game being linear. If they completely re-do the base game with multiple endings, then it might be interesting.
@@buddhawasright Because it isn't very good. Perhaps watch some gameplay or some other reviewers (like Quackalope above who said it is a 3.5 out of 5). Alex (BoardGameCo) has it at 4 out of 5, but with several issues. From all of the gameplay and reviews that I have watched, Chronicles of Drunagor has the following issues: 1) The base game has a 100% linear story with no branching (as discussed, they are trying to fix this in the new expansion). Currently, there is no reason to replay the base unless you want to do the same exact thing with different heroes. 2) The setup time is killer. Alex said you basically need to have somewhere to leave it setup since it isn't worth getting it out for just one play. 3) The base game has very few common enemies and you have to fight the same ones over and over again. 4) The darkness mechanic is very fiddly and time consuming (IMO, it totally sucks). 5) As Alex said, there are too many tokens and the insert sucks (he said they plan to address it), so he just grabs any token to represent whatever has happened. 6) While opening the door cards is a cute idea, you have to halt play to read and do more setup mid-game. 7) To get everything is going to cost over $500 bucks. There are many other games I would rather spend that money on like Stormsunder (already backed), KDM Gambler's Chest (already backed), Sankokushin: Five Sacrifices, Harakiri: Blades of Honor, Agemonia, or Arydia: The Paths We Dare Tread. The one thing that everyone agrees on is that the heroes have a lot of options to upgrade them and the level up process is very fun. Note: I did back CoD for several days in the first KS and eventually cancelled (and my opinion hasn't changed). Frankly, I am not crazy about many of the new sculpts either (like 4 heads, 4 breasts, abs for days lady as one example).
Crap dodged this the first time though, don't think I will this time, just when me and my wallet were starting to have an understanding I am about to give it a sucker punch lol
Knowing very little about the game, the immediate aspect that puts me off is why the elevations? It just looks like a such a gimmick and not a fan of the aesthetics at all.
As someone that has played the game, I love the elevations. It adds a level of strategy because it gives you advanatage to your rolls if you're on a higher elevation that the monster you're attacking, and also it just makes it feel so much cooler imo. It feels more 3D than just flat tiles and I love that, and I love the aesthetics personally
I had intended to go all in on this, I've put the money aside but VAT plus the base price increase makes the value terrible when compared to other games, did I want this? yes totally, but not $800++ level of want.. Its just not worth two all in pledges of other games.
I would be very interested to see one of your back or not to back videos on this, reviews are emotional things, but that is based more on facts that you can't argue with. Obviously in isolation value is less of a concern but when placed inside the market compared to other games it looks a terrible back. That's not to say it won't hold value, I don't see it being a poor back in terms of getting your money back out but as a example I could go all in on Stormsunder, all in on ISS Vanguard and have money left over for the price of this game... Is it going to provide me more content and more gameplay than that? Not a chance.
Yes I read this in the update not to long ago and I am now leaning towards getting it when before I wasnt since I am in Europe. This might help alot without taking a massive hit outright.
@@MarquisDeSang 20-25% on top of everything and normal taxes but only for non EU stuff. It is a joke... the EU is a joke, they are nothing but power hungry authoritarians. People have no voice, we have no way to address our issues, we have no way to recall anything, the EU in theory can enforce laws that effect one country even if everyone in said country voted against it within their own voting system. Yes I am not a happy lad with these creatures ha
Noting the high cost in this campaign, I look forward to a 'should you back it' value analysis (if you're doing one). My instinct tells me a base pledge + apocalypse would be more than enough (and pretty expensive still!)
Agree with everything!
I've heard the monster add on pack is almost essential as their arent enough in the base boxes, but im going to get both cores myself.
@@TableTopWolf1984 I wonder if that holds true with the addition of Apocalypse and the stretch goals
@@callum5257 from the released information there looks like there are 8 new monsters being added, 5 in base game and 3 stretch goals. With add on monster pack 1 giving you 3 extra, no doubt there will be an add on monster pack 2 during the campaign, but monster variety does seem to be one of the main complaints.
TableTop Wolf really?
I feel like they become more like brothers as every video is recorded. :-D
I really do want this game but I feel like I will never have time to play it and I am worried about space when all my other games get to my house. I am in the process of learning middara and that could take me a year to complete the game. When I have nova aetas, stormsunder, hel the last saga, darkest dungeon, iss vanguard and a ton of others come in the mail when will I ever have time to play this game? I only skimmed this video but do you guys think I should pick up the core and the new expansion or skip it?
If you're worried about that, I'd play it safe and skip it. Great game, harder to table.
I kind of agree with you. Setting up Drunagor and having to set up again in the middle of the mission is very hard solo.
I am saving it for a group.
I find midarra set up mission to mission much faster. When using the Forteller free app to read the story to me while I set up the next mission
Ooh, that's good to know on Middara :)
Honestly I find it the opposite haha, I Love drunagor solo and I don't really find set up that bothersome, I just have space on the table for all of the pieces in piles so I can get them all easily and quickly
Game still looks nice but the entry point is just too high.
Core + SG is obligatory, so 115 $, then you'd want the new stuff with Apocalypse, so + 95 $ = 210 $. Then I hate mixing minis and standees and they said the horsemen will be in at least half the scenarios, and unfortunally they decided to make them stupidly big and pricey, so another 89 $ it is, bringing it up to 299 $.
And these 299 $ are just the "bare minimum", from what you hear you'd really want a few expansions for the core game since the monster variety is so lacking. And the hero trays seem like a must-have, too. so add on at least another 50 $ for monster pack #1 and the trays, making it 349 $.
Probably it is already worth it to just take the reprint-all-in, too, bringing this bad boy up to ~523,99 $. Not even yet including the inevitible add-ons for the Apocalypse add-on and not getting any cosmetic add-ons, just gameplay.
Oh, and on top of that comes shipping, with a package like this and at this time probably another 70 - 80 $ easily. And for me, being EU-based, on this ~600 $ price tag comes another up to 20 % VAT, making it about 720 $ for the gameplay all-in without any yet to come add-ons and cosmetics, like the dice.
If you go the "small route" without the base all-in, "just" Core, Apoc, Horsemen, Trays, Monster Pack #1, which is what I'd want at least, that would still be 429 $ + 20 % = ~ 515 $.
Suddenly, Stormsunder and Arena/ Tanares seem really cheap in comparison :D
So yeah, hard pass on this one. Sure, not really their fault and the game itself looks great (minus the terrain trays, I think they are gimmicky and break immersion more than anything). It's just the unfortunate reality atm that at least for EU-based backers crowd-funding becomes increasingly hard to justify. Covid-prices and VAT-changes may have "cured" my KS-addiction finally. :D
I mean... Getting the horsemen minis isn't necessary at all. You can still play all the bosses, you just have standees instead of minatures. I will definitely not be getting them, since I don't paint minatures so having huge minatures just doesn't interest me at all.
And that hero pack definitely wouldn't be necessary either, with just the base game and stretch goals you already have 20+ characters you could play and that's a ton of variability
@@WolfanTerror Well, as I said, I'd really hate having the end bosses of a game I'd have to shell out a few hunded bucks for anyways being standess, especially if everything else is minis. If there was an all standee version for an appropriate price, I'd probably take that, but mixing, especially at this price point and in this genre, really is a no-go for me, so for me the horsemen are mandatory if I get Apoc.
But yeah, sure, you can skip that. You'd still be paying ~ 408 $ (115 base, 95 Apoc, 25 monster pack 1, 25 trays, 80 shipping, 20% VAT). And now you got a game where the bosses are standees. For 400 bucks. Without most add-ons. Cool.
I mistyped with "hero pack #1", meant "monster pack #1". Though being clear from context anyways, I corrected that, thanks!
@@Tharukan idk, being so obsessed with having minatures for everything seems like a you problem, but eh
I'm perfectly happy just getting the expansion without any huge minis I'll only use a few times :P
Hope you find another game that's better for you!
@@WolfanTerror Well, like I said, I'd actually be fine with all standees, so you can't really call it "being obsessed with having miniatures for everything", can you?
I'd call it "not being fine with spending 400 bucks for an entry level pledge that is a compromise not only in quantity but also in quality". If you are fine with that, you do you. But please don't be so smug about it.
Like I said, if you are really fine with card board bosses, that's alright too, reduces the entry point to "just" 400 bucks. My broad point stands, that's way to high of an entry point. Any so called "obsession" with minis has nothing to do with that.
I have the same opinion you do. If I get this game I have to have the 4 horsemen in miniature form. If I go the bare minimum and only get core and apocalypse wit horsemen minis that is still 300 dollars. Then ill be missing the other expansion content and also all the new heros. Im kind of torn on this one because It looks really cool and a ton of fun but I need to keep my spending in check. While it pains me im going to have to pass on this game unless they have the pledge manager open for a long time.
What if you got either ISS Vanguard or Chronicles of Drunagor (the updated Apocalpse version) and were going to get only one game. Which one would you get.
You see the new olympics stretch goals? A poll every day and we get an extra stretch goal of enough people vote! Plus all All-in (every version of an all-in pledge counts) gets entered into a chance to win a mini made of you, you added to the story or you name in the story. That’ll make an extra push for those all-ins and really engages the community, motivating us to come to the page daily!
That's awesome :-) they're doing a good job there
Glad to see that standees for the Four Horsemen are made available so there's no need to get those huge minis. Saves money and space.
Yes!
Yes. But imagine painting those awesome minis and displaying them on your shelf
Is, Darkness, not already spawning, in some scenario of the base game, from the strongest hero?
I've the game from the first printing, done 9 to 10 scenarios, and I'm sure this mechanic is already implemented... or maybe I missed something 😅
As far as I remember, there are also spawning rules from specific enemies, like Shadow Cultist... It's not always from the printing marks on the tiles
I have seen comments that the AI of the enemies were very simple in the first version. And that sometimes you could not feel much difference between different enemies.
How is that on regular enemies now? And how is the AI on bosses?
Arena Tanares Adventures closes soon (this month); which game do you personally like better out of the two? Or is it too hard to pick?
Do those trays for player boards/cards/cubes come in the core box, or are they only available via the add on?
Hey guys, if you could table it up (for solo play) and leave it up for extended lengths of time, would that make a huge difference for you both?
Yes. It's a great game, but one that I'm often not willing to pull out because of the amount of stuff
@@BoardGameCo cool. Amount of stuff doesn’t bother me since I can leave it setup. I just love dungeon crawlers and this one seems like it could be one of the best.
Really wanted to grab this. However, I think it's time to save for Sankokushin for me personally. The 4 horseman are very intriguing though. 🙃
Minis look great but hard to get a campaign game going if setup and tear down take time. I’ll stick with tanares and stormsunder.
Absolutely.
This is a bit late, but how are you sticking with Stormsunder? The game - if we’re super lucky - won’t even be out till mid to late 2023, snd i would not be shocked to see it slip into 2024
I don't know if I have more time on my hands, but for me personally I never have a set up problem. I always personally set up the game were going to play before everyone shows up. We choose which game were going to play a week in advance. Then the next time we play its all ready. Also when its something like this were it keeps going, we never take it down until its finished or until people tired of it, so I never have trouble of tearing it down inbetween.
Thanks for the review - this looks like my kind of game.
Quack says if you don’t like the original this isn’t going to fix it. But he irrationally hopes Nemesis Lockdown will fix what he doesn’t like in Nemesis. Spoiler alert it doesn’t.
With Gloomhaven only about 25% complete, Jaws of the Lion barely touched, Frosthaven backed and arriving in the next few months, Mansions of Madness surface barely scratched and several other games on the shelf begging for table time I'm just not sure if there's time in the day for CoD:A
...I like the idea but I think we need to finish a few of the campaign style games we have already. Unless BoardGameCo can point me to a campaign which adds another 8 hours to a day :)
Woot. This is a really nice story.
When this hame out the first time it got very little coverage and board game co did one of the only long videos on it.
Now that it was released it’s getting so much press.
Great story.
Another midarra type success story
Yep, very excited for them :)
I'm absolutly getting this. I really hope the base game gets that story upgrade. Unfortunately I'll prob pass on the minis for the horseman. Which sucks because they look amazing
Ya, they're cool but also large.
Very much on the fence but this video has helped to sell me. If they do go back and implement the things from apocalypse back into the core It may very well make me go all in. Passed first time around but those additions would be a huge boon to fix the things I had issue with.
They confirmed it will :)
How was the classes? i dont think i saw any there like gaining xp and all
"i dont think i saw any there like gaining xp and all" 😅😅
Hahaha!!!! You guys are funny! I
Really enjoy how the game was presented by you guys. How you guys complement each other regarding the mechanics. 👊👊👊👏👏👏
This sounds like it should be a standalone game or version 2.0 instead of an expansion
Curse you both…. Off to go back this to add to my original copy 😂
Now I’m really excited
Excited for this one! Thanks guys
All-in on previous campaign and once again going all in. I just wish the four horseman minis weren’t quite so gigantic for storage.
Just dremel 'em in half. Install magnets.
You're welcome.🙃
Shalom Alex . Thanks for the video I haven’t watched it yet but it will provide a reason to back or not back this Game .
I think I'm going to be able to skip this one, but it does look good. One weird thing that turns me off is the 40mm scale minis. Hard to use them side by side with my 28-30mm scale minis in my D&D games. If more board games go to that scale (like Oathbound did), it'll make that much easier for me to save money.
I LOVE Chronicles of Droopy-Drawers!!👏👏
Disappointed with the price increase+vat for eu backers.
Same big time even more so when you compare it to other games such as WIld Assent, that has more plastic, paper, cardboard also takes into account of those issues. I would love to jump on this since I have had my eye on it for many months now, it just doesnt seem worth it. See this alot with American based campaigns, EU based ones have alot of issues sorted out and addressed but not so much with American ones.
Yeah, unfortunately this will get ridiculously expensive for us in EU. I'd love to get this game, too, but it's just not worth it anymore.
@@yagsipcc287 to be fair to american publishers a fair few of them do take it into account. For example middara, stormsunder wave 1 is vat free so I'm going to all in first wave onwards, wild assent reprint is vat free, many of the smaller games with smaller budgets are also vat free like ludwik labyrinth and so on.
Most of the big box games and others I've backed have been vat free. Cmon and drunagor are the main devs from what I can remember in this genre charging vat and not only that the full value of vat.
@@markomarko753 lazy squire games (does Stormsunder and wild assent) they are based in Poland I believe. They are within the EU anyway. Their head guy is an American though. I also have them both backed as well. But yes the two or three bigger American companies seem to not sort things out before rushing to get campaigns out, all while tiny companies do well beforehand in most cases. Funny isn't it 🤣
Vote out your government then.
I wish I was in college/HS and could afford the time to play this. Sadly I probably wouldn’t have been able to afford it. CoD looks great but I don’t think it would ever get time at the game table (nor any other DC) as my group is committed to DnD for the foreseeable future. I wish more DC’s offered cross play with DnD.
I want know and pay attention to the abilities of the enemy and hero in this game, this will be whether I will back the game.
I don’t like abilities that are just +/- X movement, damage, evasion, or dice, etc. These abilities are like more CMON games, and they are not sincere in game design.
I like ability to have specific performance, similar to middara or even Kdm.
So are you backing it or not? :)
@@wishmeheaven I haven't back CoD: AoD
was allready all in with the previous campagin and i will follow-up with this one.
4 Scenarios with branching paths (as an add-on) isn't enough for me with the base game being linear. If they completely re-do the base game with multiple endings, then it might be interesting.
Surely it isn't just 4 scenarios.. this is just the demo box.
No that is just the Demo to show off. It has the same or more amount of gameplay hours as the base game and it also has branching paths.
Ya this is just the demo box.
Dude, Rob loved this game, why can't you?😇
@@buddhawasright Because it isn't very good. Perhaps watch some gameplay or some other reviewers (like Quackalope above who said it is a 3.5 out of 5). Alex (BoardGameCo) has it at 4 out of 5, but with several issues.
From all of the gameplay and reviews that I have watched, Chronicles of Drunagor has the following issues:
1) The base game has a 100% linear story with no branching (as discussed, they are trying to fix this in the new expansion). Currently, there is no reason to replay the base unless you want to do the same exact thing with different heroes.
2) The setup time is killer. Alex said you basically need to have somewhere to leave it setup since it isn't worth getting it out for just one play.
3) The base game has very few common enemies and you have to fight the same ones over and over again.
4) The darkness mechanic is very fiddly and time consuming (IMO, it totally sucks).
5) As Alex said, there are too many tokens and the insert sucks (he said they plan to address it), so he just grabs any token to represent whatever has happened.
6) While opening the door cards is a cute idea, you have to halt play to read and do more setup mid-game.
7) To get everything is going to cost over $500 bucks. There are many other games I would rather spend that money on like Stormsunder (already backed), KDM Gambler's Chest (already backed), Sankokushin: Five Sacrifices, Harakiri: Blades of Honor, Agemonia, or Arydia: The Paths We Dare Tread.
The one thing that everyone agrees on is that the heroes have a lot of options to upgrade them and the level up process is very fun.
Note: I did back CoD for several days in the first KS and eventually cancelled (and my opinion hasn't changed).
Frankly, I am not crazy about many of the new sculpts either (like 4 heads, 4 breasts, abs for days lady as one example).
Crap dodged this the first time though, don't think I will this time, just when me and my wallet were starting to have an understanding I am about to give it a sucker punch lol
Knowing very little about the game, the immediate aspect that puts me off is why the elevations? It just looks like a such a gimmick and not a fan of the aesthetics at all.
As someone that has played the game, I love the elevations. It adds a level of strategy because it gives you advanatage to your rolls if you're on a higher elevation that the monster you're attacking, and also it just makes it feel so much cooler imo. It feels more 3D than just flat tiles and I love that, and I love the aesthetics personally
Bruh you gotta slow down a little bit when you talk… there’s a good portion of what you said that, I have no idea what you said lol!
Lol I hear you.....I talk fast in general and some love it, others can't follow :)
I had intended to go all in on this, I've put the money aside but VAT plus the base price increase makes the value terrible when compared to other games, did I want this? yes totally, but not $800++ level of want.. Its just not worth two all in pledges of other games.
I would be very interested to see one of your back or not to back videos on this, reviews are emotional things, but that is based more on facts that you can't argue with. Obviously in isolation value is less of a concern but when placed inside the market compared to other games it looks a terrible back. That's not to say it won't hold value, I don't see it being a poor back in terms of getting your money back out but as a example I could go all in on Stormsunder, all in on ISS Vanguard and have money left over for the price of this game... Is it going to provide me more content and more gameplay than that? Not a chance.
Funny how you keep calling it 'Drunogar', I do the same :D
Just get the all-in for 6 easy payments (no interest rate). I am not joking CGS is gonna allow us to pay in 6 payments during the 1 1/2 year.
That sounds freaking awesome! I'm playing through the campaign so far, and loving it so much
Yes I read this in the update not to long ago and I am now leaning towards getting it when before I wasnt since I am in Europe. This might help alot without taking a massive hit outright.
@@yagsipcc287 What have you done to yourself Europe? 25% taxes are you crazy?
@@MarquisDeSang 20-25% on top of everything and normal taxes but only for non EU stuff. It is a joke... the EU is a joke, they are nothing but power hungry authoritarians. People have no voice, we have no way to address our issues, we have no way to recall anything, the EU in theory can enforce laws that effect one country even if everyone in said country voted against it within their own voting system. Yes I am not a happy lad with these creatures ha
@@yagsipcc287 They are really sacrificing you on the altar of their ancient dark god.