Nemesis vs. Nemesis Lockdown: A Buyer's Guide
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- Опубліковано 12 лип 2024
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Wondering what the difference is between Nemesis and Nemesis Lockdown? We've got you covered! In this video we cover what each game is, what wider content is available, what the differences between the two are, and which one you should own.
In brief, Nemesis Lockdown is the newly released standalone expansion to the survival horror board game Nemesis. Nemesis is currently ranked as one of the top 20 best board games of all time on BGG.
For a more in-depth review of Nemesis Lockdown, check out our review here: • Nemesis Lockdown Revie...
0:00 - Intro
0:56 - What Is Nemesis?
1:51 - What Is Nemesis Lockdown?
2:18 - How Do They Play?
3:08 - What You Need To Know
3:40 - What Content Is Available For Nemesis?
5:41 - What Content Is Available For Nemesis Lockdown?
6:50 - What's Changed In Nemesis Lockdown Compared To Nemesis?
11:10 - Can You Mix & Match Content?
12:00 - Which Game Should You Get?
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Hey great video. For rule clarification, and a lot of people are getting that wrong. You don't make any noise. You enter a room and you check if you can hear anything. That is why you can enter a room through corridor no. 1 and get noises out from no. 3.
Further that is the reason why when you move into a room with an companion you do not need to roll, because he already checked if there are noises around. Or if you trigger an encounter you can get a blank, what means the noises you heard were noises from the machines. I personally find it much easier to teach to new players, because it makes more sence.
Thanks for letting us know! That's really interesting! How does a careful movement play into that thematically then as you decide where to place a token? I guess we always thought that the noise you made from entering a new room radiates out which is what the noise roll was for, but that makes complete sense and is much easier to teach new players!
@@BoardOfItReviews the careful movement is really something that is a bit strange about this rule. But as far as I understand it, is that you move with more cautiousness and therefore you can better hear the direction where it comes from. But that is just my guess.
The introduction text of Nemesis Lockdown has a part, where the survivor explains that. She says, that she walks carefully to locate the intruders.
"Unlike the facility staff, she had practical Knowledge of the creatures.
Her moves were quiet, careful, and she often paused to listen to any
Noises in the corridors and rooms around her. That was the only way
to know where a creature was lurking. Bitter experience taught her that
once you’d seen one, it was already too late."
@@Noname6589 Thanks!
It's always annoyed me the past few years with this game element, the rule that the noise markers are noise you hear, rather than noise you make (especially as it's from character movement) I can tell you now.. firing your gun should be lighting noise markers up everywhere. Yet it makes no change to the aliens out there. I guess they are deaf ;) p.s The PC game of Lockdown is excellent. Can't wait for the Nemesis original board game update.
I think it abstracts both the noise you make and the noise you hear into one mechanic.
How else would you make fit thematically careful movement or the scout's ability card where you can move without rolling for noise?
I agree with your conclusion, I own and have played both, I have to say, owning both definitely isn't necessary at all unless you are a superfan and want to mix components. In a nutshell lockdown is a direct replacement/upgrade. The only reason to buy nemesis over lockdown is that you really really really prefer the theme of being on a ship to recreate alien vs being in a facility on mars.
Yea you've nailed it. Others have said they'll keep Nemesis over Lockdown for just that reason RE: ship.
If you go with base you also get aftermath.
Thanks for this. I love how calm, detailed, and analytical your videos are.
Thanks for the kind words! 😊
Just found your channel, I'm loving the clear detail with a smattering of personal opinion, a well walked path between objectivity and subjectivity that many fail to find . Thank you.
Thank you, means a lot! We mostly do reviews which are more opinion based than the buyers guides, but we always try to come from a point of "we love this aspect, but people might not like it because of XYZ" and vice versa. That way we can be more objective and consider more than just ourselves.
Loved this! Hope you do more Buyer's Guides in the future.
Thank you! We enjoyed making this one, so I’m sure we’ll do more in the future!
Great video guys! I dont have either but I'd likely get Nemesis only because I don't think I could handle an even more complex game and the Aliens theme is so iconic
Absolutely - and as we said the differences are kind of minimal so you’re still going to have an epic experience 🙌🏻
I really needed this. Definitely want Lockdown now! Good work with this. I really like the approach and you are great to watch, as always!
Thank you!
We never played Nemesis, as coops aren’t our huge thing, but always wanted to! Finally getting to soon, as we’re getting s copy of Lockdown today! Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for making the video 🥳
Ha that's funny as they aren't our thing either...we're much too competitive. The good thing about Lockdown is that the Semi-Coop doesn't feel too much like Coop (particularly if you're trying to kill another player), but rather your own journey where you occasionally bump into/work with others. We actually started Lockdown by playing with the Coop variant while we got the rules down and hated it because it made the game much harder but also less engaging. Was a much better game when we changed to Semi-Coop.
No problem hope it was helpful!
Great guide! Really helped me decide what to keep from my pledge that just arrived. It’s a large box and I didn’t have room for all the content.
Glad it was helpful!
Really well done video! And, you're right, pretty big fan, and I'll have both as soon as Lockdown arrives in the US!
Thank you! Hope you get your copy soon, let us know what you think when you do! 🙌🏻
Great video as always… as a collector I’m sure I would get lockdown to add in the collection especially after going through all the nemesis content. Thank you for all you do!!!!!!!!
Cheers! And thanks for the continued support 😊
I prefer classic Nemesis. Alien being one of my fav movies, the ship setting just hits a personal sweet spot for me.
Makes sense 👌🏻
@@BoardOfItReviews Anyway, do you two wanna check on those engines over there while I check on this escape pod? No reason at all. Just wanna make sure the ship is um, flying, um straight...
Very not suspicious at all 😉
Excellent video! Keep up the good work.
Thank you! And thanks for watching 😃
Great breakdown, thanks for the video!
Hope it helped!
thank you for this comparison. very good and balanced.
Hope it helped you!
Great video, thank you!
Hope it helped!
Excellent review
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Super helpful. Thank you.
Means a lot to hear, that's why we made it!
Great video thanks!
Thank you, we’re happy you enjoyed it!
Fantastic comparison just what I was looking for. Lovely storage cabinet at the back. I am looking for something similar here in the UK but I cannot find anything. Thx
Thank you! I think it's just from IKEA!
Very useful video, thx guys.
We always love to hear that! Thanks for watching!
@@BoardOfItReviews I especially liked how you devided it in meaningful and clear subsections/questions that are exactly the type of questions I was wondering about.
My copy of Lockdown just came yesterday going to painting some of them tonight I think 😊 I also need to see if I can get my GF to play sometime ha I hope they will have some kind of solo play at some point. (I haven't had to much of a chance to look though the books yet) I wanted to get the original for so long but couldn't get it like most but then they said they would be bringing it back out and in retail along side the lockdown and I made the choice to just get lockdown at the KS between just cost of buying stuff for that time and it seemed a bit more better for lower player counts. I also like how most of the Aliens can be used in both games a great way to mix things up and add more to it as well as you could just get lockdown and one or two of the or original expansions for more choice.
Nice! As we said in the video, we do prefer Lockdown so we think you made the right choice there 😉
Any suggestions about the smaller content expansions (carmomorphs, void seeders and aftermath ) and which seems more essential?
Honestly, as with many big box Kickstarters, none of it is essential. I wouldn't recommend any of the extra content unless you're already a big Nemesis fan and looking for more variability. Nemesis is inherently so random and variable that each game is quite different already, so there's even less of a need to buy expansions to shake things up. Plus, it's so complex and long that how often will you really get it to the table? That said, it's always fun to swap out the aliens with new ones and try out different things. So if you've got to the point where you're a little bored with the intruders then I'd maybe think about moving on to the Carnomorphs and so on.
I might have missed it but you didn’t mention the app that will be coming for Lockdown. The app will let you play solo with a trader element. We like core nemesis 2 player co-op and 3 player as semi co-op. I live in the USA so we haven’t received Lockdown yet.
Nice - thanks for that info!
Super helpful
We’re very happy to hear that!
I appreciate your video! I found myself at PAX East and found the stretch goal box for a decent price and as a AR fan, I decided to buy it, while not yet owning either nemesis game. But I was left with the question, do I buy both or just one? You have been a great help in making that decision and will be taking your recommendation.
To clarify, I found the SG box for Lockdown
So glad we could help! Entire reason we made the video so amazing to hear.
I got both :D massive fan of scifi/alien and nemesis so it was a must buy great review
Hahahaha as we predicted. To be fair we are massive hypocrites saying that as we do have both too, but that's more because I didn't do my due diligence when backing it.
@@BoardOfItReviews I see 😁 btw what do you think about Yucatan on KS? iam thinking of backing it
We’ve seen it but don’t know too much about it to be honest, so no real opinion there - sorry!
Which game you like more?
@@harimakenji7608 classic one I guess it has better atmosphere imo
Great video. Really helped me decide which of the two to finally go for (went for Lockdown in the end).
Regarding 6:24, I received my UK retail copy today and can confirm that all six characters were included in the box. Hopefully that'll be the same for all future versions and not just for the first wave of retail alongside the Kickstarter.
Really glad it helped! Also glad to hear retail gives you as many characters as possible. Hope you enjoy playing!
Same what you said
Thanks for the video. Which nemesis do you recommend for 2 player coop?
Honestly, there isn't too much difference between the two. Just that Lockdown is a bit more fiddly and has more stuff going on if you haven't played either.
@@BoardOfItReviews thanks for your reply! I guess both are equally difficult to win, right?
Thx
Yeah we’d say so!
I don’t have either. I do have Aliens Another Glorious Day in the Corps.
Maybe I should look into Lockdown :)
It is really cool - very unforgiving and you have to be willing to play the game for the fun of playing and the story as it’s usually likely you’ll lose, but still, really fun and unique 👌🏻
@@BoardOfItReviews
Certainly don’t mind losing a tough game. Still very fun. Makes the rare win all the more rewarding :)
Very very true!!
I have bought both board games, my experience in playing the first nemesis is easier to play for people who want to try for the first time. The skill cards of the original nemesis players are also simpler compared to lockdown. Their weaponry is also much better. As for lockdown, there are many new things, the character skills are also unique, the shape of the map, and the monsters that attack in the dark, making it very easy for you to die when playing in the game.
It took me and my friend a few plays to start gradually understanding how to survive in lockdown. Ah and also, the weaponry in this game is so bad that a character with a flat dmg number feels better than the gun you get in the red card. Lock down in my opinion is better choice for players who are used to playing nemesis (although you can immediately play lock down) . for those of you who like to play among us there are various skill and environment gimicks to be able to eliminate other players. While the original is simpler to play and easier to introduce to new players.
Can you use the Lockdown characters in original Nemesis?
I can't see anything in the rules that mention it, but you could. However, as it mentions when using Nemesis characters in Lockdown, the game will be much harder because the characters are playing on a map which doesn't have the aspects their mechanisms were designed around, so you'd maybe only want one or two in a high player count game. I wouldn't be surprised though if people had made home-brew rules for using the characters in Lockdown so that might be worth looking up.
I'm looking to buy one and currently only lockdown is in stock right now where I live. Gotta say we are a family that comes from just playing monopoly and uno. Any recomendation if I should buy lockdown or wait for nemesis to restock?
I've gotta say it's a huge leap going from uno to this kinda game, particularly as the rulebook isn't great and the potential for unique situations occurring is huge. They're more or less the same, but Lockdown is slightly more complex I'd say.
@@BoardOfItReviews It is a huge leap but I'm in such love with the thematic. I don't mind taking the burden of learning and memorizing everything, i just want to know if the players would still need to learn heavy mechanics that would make them not want to play again.
We’d say the mechanics aren’t super heavy themselves as there’s only a limited number of things you can actually action on a turn, BUT within that it can be super nuanced what happens when you take that action, with A LOT of different scenarios or things that could occur is what makes it ‘heavy’. Because of all the different situations that may arise, it’s definitely not something you can completely memorise and your head will be in the rule book a lot, even after multiple plays!
Thanks a lot for the comparison! Since you mentioned the complexity of both in the end and since I watched the Eclipse video just two days ago, I would like to ask you for opinion about the complexity of Eclipse compared to Nemesis Lockdown. Or would you say that they are completely different? I ask cause I'm looking for heavier game for a group of people that usually plays lighter ones 😅
I'd say Eclipse is less complex, particularly if you've played euros before. Even though Eclipse is rated more complex on BGG than Nemesis, once you learn the rules, you've learnt the game. With Nemesis, the core gameplay is simple enough, but you run into so many different situations and edge cases and there is so much variety in what can happen that you'll have a million and one questions that might not have clear answers.
I'd probably recommend Eclipse, just because it's more likely lighter gamers will have a horrible time with Nemesis if they aren't ready for it and its brutality.
@@BoardOfItReviews Thanks a lot for your detailed explanation, this helped a lot! We have decided to start with Scythe for now and if this works we will go for Ecplise next :)
Scythe is our all time favourite and what got us into this hobby so we’d say that’s an excellent choice 👌🏻
@@BoardOfItReviews great to hear that! Thanks for your help!
I really prefer the base game, and actually used the lockdown kickstarter to pick up the base game and expansions when that was happening.
To each their own!
Original Nemesis for me is a superior experience to lockdown and it is what I own. I like both and I played both alot, but contingencies, elevators, electricity and attacks in darkness add nothing for me except fiddly content. The ship and the original intruder are just superior theme-wise and felt more tense, lonely and claustrophobic. Also, Carnomorphs and Void Seeders are more fun to play against than Chytrids, and they look cooler.
Though I love the Janitor in lockdown more than the mechanic in terms of design. The Janitor is badass.
Good to hear that getting both would be redundant
Yea 100% unless you're a mega fan.
@@BoardOfItReviews I love the concept but a game where you can be out so soon into the game. Eeesh. Doesn’t sound well designed.
@@odiedodieuk Yea, I think it's a game you have to treat almost as more of a story generator than a co-operative game to beat. Some people will despise this game, and to be honest for good reason, but for others it will be one hell of an experience.
@@BoardOfItReviews I was surprised you guys suggested lockdown over the OG game. I own neither yet but heard the OG was best
Personal preference of course but we just find some of the mechanisms and character abilities a little more interesting!
Where can i buy lockdown?, its all preorder online
It's only just fulfilling now, I don't think all backers have even got their orders. Give it a few weeks and it should come into stores!
@@BoardOfItReviews thanks
Do both games (base and expansion) have player elimination? If i want to play with 4 players, i dont want a player to sit out and watch for 2 hrs if happen to die early
Yea, they all have player elimination, and it is 100% the kind of game where you can get unlucky and somebody is taken out 30 min into a 3 hour game. Original Nemesis actually let's you play as the Aliens if you're the first player to die, but I'm not sure how well it works.
Just got my kickstarter game....
Enjoy! 🙌🏻
Would you recommend any of the Nemesis as a good two player co-op?
How difficult it is to table both of them?
I really enjoy your videos because you show the games in a very similar setting that we actually play, therefore it is more valuable for us when you review a game and have a playthough with opinions.
They're both decent at 2 and we quite like playing them with just us. That said we'd still only play semi-coop as we tried the coop mode and honestly didn't like it very much. Getting them to the table isn't too bad as the set up is quite straightforward.
I mean no offense at all, but have you ever heard that you look like Mac from “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia”?
Only over and over and over. Once somebody walked across a busy train and had me take out my headphones to tell me.
Bought both,
Hope you enjoy them, we’d say start with the original Nemesis first!
I didn't know that was an entirely new game. I love Nemesis but I haven't got any expansions yet.
Do you think you will get the expansions?
@@BoardOfItReviews Oh, yes! I think this is going to be a year of expansions for me, and I'll get less new games.
That’s seems very sensible - great way to shake up your collection 👌🏻
Still haven't received my box :(
Noooo that’s so disappointing - hope it makes its way to you soon 🙏🏻
Show the board game!
Never! You'll always be forced to look at us, the stars! JK, this was just an oversight by us. This video was the first in our Buyer's Guide series and we had no idea if anyone would find it interesting, so we ended up skipping the B-roll. You'll be glad to know every other buyers guide and review we do has plenty of B-roll, including our Lockdown review.
Is anybody interested in buying the board game including all the expansions brand new unopened with a few extras (all in pledge) $400
¿Por que no los dos?
*Everybody cheers!*
Noise markers represent noise heard, not noise made!
Having that background transition music play every 30 seconds or so is REALLY annoying.
Excellent, it worked.
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Great review but you guys need to work on your diction.
It's not a review but thanks!
Uh, show more of the product next time, instead of yourselves. We're here for the board game.
Feel free to make your own video with what you'd like to see ;). Our reviews are our main focus, which we put a lot of time and energy into and they contain reams of B-Roll of the games so check out our Lockdown review if that's what you want.
Board of it might not be the best name if you want people to think you're an engaging channel
Bit late in the game to change it now! Luckily it hasn't been a problem as I think people are more interested in what the videos are than the name 😁. Thanks tho!
It's a pun, I like it.